When I heard Mushoku Tensei's protagonist was a degenerate pedophile I was stoked to watch it, but then the story just turned him into yet another kind/polite Japanese guy. The author tries their best to make everything Rudeus does sympathetic while brushing aside all the politically incorrect stuff that made him interesting in the first place.Is it too much to ask for a scumbag MC that stays a scumbag until the end?
>>268248094Have sex incel
stop self inserting
>>268248138you don't know what a self insert protagonist is
>>268248168define it
>>268248094If Rance-like main characters were more common then anime would be 10x better.
>>268248094Japan is too collectivist to have a protagonist that does whatever the fuck they want for their personal gain. Only villains are allowed to do that.
>>268248395Thats because that isnt a protagonist anyone gives a shit about fag
Give Grand Blue a try, The series has a good middle ground with Iori, the main character, being a mix of horniness and romantics. Also the funniest series out there
>>268248426Then why is Lolita widely considered one of the greatest books of the 20th century?
>>268248134Dilate
>>268248094Another Rance clone.
>>268248513Plausible deniability
>>268248697Kazuma is an indecisive coward. Outside of being a perverted scumbag, he's no different from other 2000s harem protagonists in this regard.
>>268248094MC? Nice, afraid of making any moves on women, every woman makes moves on him, isekai’d from japan, power is that he can copy others’ powers.Side cast? Blonde vampire loli with red eyes, purple hair purple eyed nobility that initially looks down on him, demihuman scantily dressed frontliner woman that is oppressed by societyGive me my millions now
>>268248094kill yourself tourist
What about Meikyu Black Company?
>>268248094The closest i seen is Overlord, but i wish more degeneracy
>>268249023>Overlordainz doesn't commit to being truly evil
>>268248222Characters like that are only good in games
>>268249062damn it... I'm bad at decisions
>>268249023Ainz is fucking pathetic. He has the ability to crush and enslave every country, but decides to play the politics game... and still has to resort to violence in the end.
stopped reading at "PC" fucking kill yourself you stupid tourist faggot
>>268248094Yes, MCs that are more willing to sexually harass cute females should be more common. Instead it's the reverse for a lot of shows.
>>268249062Is both an option?
Arifureta exists btw.
>>268249628and redo of healer
>>268248094Watch more anime
>>268249062always rape
>>268249628He still is a femalephobic MC who is scared of women
>>268249678Redo's MC only rapes evil women and is nice to everyone who isn't evil. He's diet Rance.
>>268249822What did anon mean by this?
>>268248513>cuckshit
>>268249822>femalephobicThe word is gynephobic. The male equivalent would be androphobic.
>>268249968>bunny rabbit begs for sex for 2 seasons straightRejected>dragon begs for sex for 2 seasons straightRejected>vampire makes advancesRejected>vampire just rapes himHaha we’re lovers nowTypical sexless MC
>>268248134No. I only need my anime and manga.
>>268248094WHY Mushoku Tensei threads & discussions are always lazy and sad?
Hate rance newfags so much
>>268250253>Litterally has sex>Calls him sexlessAbout what I expected from retards like you. You could at least hide your insecurity better.
>>268250408It’s literally the 1950s don’t take no for an answer trope but with the sexes reversed. The main character makes 0 sexual advances on women, denies them 100 times, then they force him to fuck and suddenly they’re in love and will get married. Sorry if you like that premise but it’s annoying seeing it the 100th straight show.
>>268248094IM tired of female characters being dumb broads to fulfill fantasy. Harems would never exist in real life with real love. If they want to make harem manga realistic, focus on material/staus/financial gain for the women with the MC
>>268250482it's more annoying to have someone like you talking about a series you never fucking watched acting like you know shit. And making generalizations on the genre while only "knowing" the bottom of bottom shit.Most likely you see an image of a series and have a schizo delusion of what the series is in your head and then run around spouting your fucking dog shit opinions hoping that anyone who has actual watch read, doesn't call you out on your opinions. Here is likely a series you have an opinion on despite knowing jack shit about it.
>>268250753I literally watched arifueta 2 days ago
>>268248094School days?
>>268248094I want shota mc fucking older lolis
>>268248134a/s/l?
>>268249484iToddlers and Macfags seething as always
>>268250905Age, old enough Sex, planning on itLocation, your closetGo to sleep already.
>>268249514Female MCs entirely willing to sexually harass cute males?
>>268249628and it's complete dogshit
>>268250313I'm a bit inclined to agree with you. Particularly the ones that make it a mission to pitch Rance as an uberchad. Issue isn't whether or not he is or isn't one. But I just think that's a lame way to start discussions around a character.
>>268250959I'll admit I laughed
>>268250518The last thing I want in my fiction is realistic women. My favorite female archetype is manic pixie dream girls.
>>2682505182reality4m3>>268251408>mpdgdo they even exist in anime?
>>268251443MPDGs are a staple of anime
The problem is that despite stating otherwise, most people will always go with the morally correct option even in media. Like in game studies done, despite having a good and evil choices, 90 percent of players go with only the good routr and not even try the bad. So whatever it is you're making would have a very limited appeal level and thus sales.
>>268251523>90 percent of players go with only the good routr and not even try the bad.Is that why Grand Theft Auto never had sequels and is wildly unpopular?
>>268251523This
>>268251570Okay let's take gta as an example. Can you name anything the protagonist does that is actually morally reprehensible and downright evil scenario or scene wise? At worst all the games have you do is either fight bas gangs who are worse than player, or fighting and robbing the government and bankets which the average person considerd to be the evil oppressive force. While the player isnt doing that, rest of the time the gta protagonist is being nice to his friends and loved ones. Even in RDR2, the protagonist becomes a complete moral fag, and the worst he ever does is beat up a guy to death on accident over getting back money hes owed, which after causes him to get tuberculosis and redemption epiphany. Meanwhile, the scum and evil mc you wany ie Mika in rdr2 is universally hated by the fandom.
>>268251837Ok but most people just steal cars, kill hoes, run people over on the side walk and rocket launcher the police. Most people spend most of their time fucking around to see how many people and cops they can kill, how many stars they can get, and how long they can last being chased. but I do see your point
>>268252018>Ok but most people just steal cars, kill hoes, run people over on the side walk and rocket launcher the police.Well, you even recognize it, but the point is audience perception. Like yeah, you have the freedom to mow down a bunch of civilians and reign mayhem. But the canon of these games don't recognize any of this. And thus, these MCs are seen with a mostly clear conscience.
>>268250253bruh, he has a loving marriage with his loli vampire waifu, and they adopted a kid. it's pretty wholesome desu.
>>268252018Yeah but the stuff is just so funny and surreal that the player never really considers the ramifications of those events, and never is punished or sees the consequences of any of that. Like imagine instead the story mission in gta was instead you go to a hospital and straight up have to kill all the doctors and patients so it can be blamed on another gang, and theres a nother with cancer gou have to shoot whos begging to lice because her kids have no one else.The tone and impact would be very different, but you could've very well run her over without knowing in a typical gta chase.You can do evil mcs, but it's just a lot harder to write someone morally reprehensible like that, they have to be extremely engaging and fun to see how far theyll push the envelope like Light Yagami, Patrick Bateman, maybe even Sato from Aijin. However mort people really aren't all that creative, and would rather take the safe approach of just writing waifu vehicle stories.
>>268248094is shit and most of the story is simply a cheap ripoff from dragon quest V.
>>268252205In that scene he’s panicked because they’re both naked after she stripped him when he was unconscious
>>268252445yeah, and then they have sex in the hot tub later that day.
Good points>>268252269>>268252127And this is also true>>268248395
For people to enjoy good male MCs you need to have irl males who aren't "wholesome" retards. I mean, I know people who literally said that "their heart hurts when girls are crying", with "men" like that...
>>268252589He tries to reject her but she ignores him. Did you even watch it?
>>268248094
>>268252127good points>>268252269>instead the story mission in gta was instead>a nother>gou> theres a nother with cancer gou have to shoot whos>begging to lice >else.Thegood points but either you need to take a typing class or see a doctor because you might be having a stroke
>>268251520It's a gainax (trigger) stapleCyberpunkFLCL
>>268249023It's mainly his subordinates doing the evil shit. Ainz just doesn't really care because he's a skelly with no empathy for humans.
>>268252805bro, I read the LNs. get on my level.
>>268253168Yeah sorry I was typing on my phone, and it never types like how I want on my keyboard at home.
>>268248094Anime characters have to be role models for kids
>>268254816...huh?
>>268254978Cartoons are primarily watched by children btw
>>268248094>babby's first edgy protagRanshit trannies are as annoying as Ginturdma niggers
>>268248094Then there's Shield Hero where the MC is a slave-owning misogynist pedophile
>>268254816aren't role models supposed to be adults? like, in the west, you have actual adult heroes like Batman etc, not retarded teenagers, you don't look up to someone your own age, and most shonen MCs are just dumb teenagers, so they're already doing it wrong.
>>268255058>babby's first edgy protagRance is too niche for that.
>>268248426Yes it is.
>>268248134FPBP
>>268251408Then stop worrying and keep reading series with manic pixie dream girls.
>>2682480943/4 of most popular anime these days have female leads. Only kids care about male leads.
>>268251523You can't apply vidya roleplaying stats to a piece of conventional linear fiction. Not to mention players tend to act in optimal ways, not strictly moral. So when your good/bad choices boil down to the marginally different mechanical outcomes, there is no reason to burn down the orphanage, unless you're committed to the bad boy playthrough.For all the self-insert faggin' about, fictional characters (even main ones) don't have to abide by any pro-social moral code. They simply have to be compelling, and not necessarily relatable. To put it obnoxiously: "did nothing wrong" character are better than "literally me" characters.And I don't even have to resort to moral relativism between times/places, only to the fact that morality between genres and real life is already different enough.Mercy to the guilty, sour grapes of immortality, leading lovers on, martial arts sects, everpresent violence. There are plenty of genres where the stereotypical hero is not exactly a good person. Audinces are already used to accepting unreal and unpleasant things, a selfish protagonist with some grit is hardly a dealbreaker.>tl;dr what's your point?There is no morality involved in the equation, only narrative convention. Why exactly there are so many "nice guy"s we can only speculate, but I am not buying the "wide appeal" excuse without stats. Videogame-tier self-insert protagonist cannot be an iconic character that moves a lot of hearts and pushes a lot of merch.
>>268256532Seems that way. Unless you include fujobait.
>>268255984not at allthere's nothing stopping a teen from being percieved as a cool guy (especially by an even younger kid), a role model in the most mundane sense
>>2682480942024 I am forgotten
>>268256737Better get buttraped for revenge again, haha!
The Rance series tackles the truly tough conundrums of life. You can't expect every series to replicate it.
>>268248094Have you tried reading seinen like Needless instead?
>>268248094Sucks to be you I guess. I like how most anime protagonists are chill polite friendly guys like literally me. Not vain or powerhungry like normoid psychos they solve problems as they arise with their power and try to live a comfy life otherwise.Also fantasy really blew up in the past ten years or so. Back when I was young it was all modern soldiers or detectives or superheroes or scifi. Can't stand that shit. I'll take dragon quest for breakfast lunch and dinner for the rest of my life. If me in middle school had access to video game fantasy isekai he'd have been in heaven.Idk OP if anime doesn't have what you want then you might have to double your diet of video game trolling and public nuisance youtube pranksters to compensate. Maybe take a shit in someone's driveway for that heady buzz. Good luck out there.
Read manga if you want scum MCs
>>268248426There's clearly some draw potential to them. If Death Note and Joker (capeshit, I know) was anything to go by.
>>268256850With the amount of sticks you have up your ass you could shit out a forest.
>>268256850based
>>268249061>>268253706He is evil. He goes along with what his subordinates want and doesn't stop it. Saying it's for the good of Nazarick or makes subordinates happy. He is evil. You're just retarded.
I feel like what people want are assertive, confident and unapologetic male MCs rather than Rance. Rance is those things but his amorality and obsession with rape is too much for most to handle.
>>268257444Nobody actually wants this. They claim that they want it but when they get it. They will complain that it's problematic and the author and audience who like it are evil just like they will complain the same if the protag is not a moral person.
>>268257466Yeah, I think of it as an overcompensation in the other direction. People are just so tired of passive male MCs who cry and piss themselves whenever women show interest in them, much less them doing anything proactive with women who they want to bang, that people think the only alternative is Rance.
>>268257444Jotaro?
>>268257545Araki comes from an entirely different era. His characters are also like stone statues and I'm not talking about their physiques.
People complaining about Rance being le rape guy have never played a single Rance game.
>>268257652Played 01 and he is a le rape guy, all he does is rape
>>268257652Are you implying that he's not extremely callous towards others or that he doesn't have absolutely zero regard for how women feel about sex?
>>268257543But that's the lie. They can only accept >passive male MCs who cry and piss themselves whenever women show interest in them, much less them doing anything proactive with women who they want to bangCause anything else is problematic and harassment of women. At least the mentioned MCs are just seen as bland. Nobody see's that as evidence Author is evil and audience is evil when the opposite is done.Ainz is a villain protag. But people constantly bitch about him cause he is evil. So all the talk of wanting something different are just lies.
Rance the animation series fucking when?
>>268257652Played Sengoku and he is a le rape guy, all he does is rape
>>268257652Played Rance 06 and he is a le rape guy, all he does is rape
>>268257746Nobody does high budget hentai anymore, the 01 OVA was the exception to the rule.
>>268249408When I play civ sometimes I don't want to go full scorched earth.
>>268248094>I'm tired of MC being nice guyIm just tired of MC a being pathetic, insecure, weak-willed losers that magically have everything work out in the end. It's so taboo for a MC to even do something as simple as act in self defense in shounen, it's pathetic. I get the loser MCs that magically have everything solved for them are supposed to be self inserts but it's so cringe. Talk no jutsu would never work on a real human and you'll never respawn as a level 999 omega godlord after you die in the real world. Naruto really mindraped an entire generation of mangakas.
>>268257814That anon is retarded. Ainz is doing what many conquerors in history have done. Look for an excuse to cover what they are doing so that they can say to any newcomers or outsiders that I was just dong defense or they pushed me into it. A veneer of legitimacy and this is meant more for future Isekaied players that may show up later.
>>268257652Played Rance Quest and he is a le rape guy, all he does is rape.
MCs just aren't great anymore. They all suck and are wish fulfillment for lazy otaku contributing to the population decline. Good MCs of the 90s>down to earth>some slapstick>level headed but not prodigies, may have some decent talents but are rarely "OP""Good" MCs of nu-anime>ultra powerful genius prodigies>every joke is they're afraid of tits and ass just like the nip otaku s who watch their slop>makes retarded mistakes so the anime can go somewhere with the plot before ending at 12 episodes with a whimper
>>268257823>Talk no jutsu would never work on a real human and you'll never respawn as a level 999 omega godlord after you die in the real world.This is not an argument for anything. This is fiction retard.
>>268257876Yeah I know he's a retard. I just wanted an excuse to shoehorn civ into the discussion
>>268257884>They all suck and are wish fulfillment for lazy otaku contributing to the population decline.They aren't responsible for the population decline. It's happening the world over.
>>268257908Anon they're literally encouraging gaijin to have half white babies with natives. That's desperation level for a xenophobic country like Japan.
>>268248094What's wrong with being a PC nice guy? Better than being a phonefag plebeian
>>268257925And? Population is in decline everywhere except Africa. The West population birth rate doesn't look that bad cause of migrants. Japan is not as bad as compared to South Korea and China last I checked. And South Korean MCs tend to be built up jacked. Doesn't change anything.
>>268250781>watched>not readSecondary
>>268248094all I want is an MC that does not tolerate any form of insolence, both in-story and meta related disrespect
>>268258020Unironically correct. Why? Heroes are only reactive. They exist to maintain a status quo. If there is a change in the world it's not cause the hero did it. It happens on its own or cause of something the villain did but was not his plan.
>>268257889It is though. Character writing is one of the biggest elements of fiction. You have to write characters with real personalities and motivations. Otherwise you're left with the boring isekai harem shit where everyone simps over the MC and listens to him for no reason. If you like trash just admit you like trash. It's not good.
>>268257652Played IV and he's an archaeologist. All he does is explore floating sky island ruins.
>>268258099Oh shut up about Isekai. If you want to rant about Isekai there is an Isekai thread go rant there or just kill yourself. You fuckers are more annoying then Isekai at this rate.My post is not about Isekai. It's that it doesn't match with reality so it's bad. It's fiction. It doesn't have to match with reality. That's what I was addressing.
>>268257952>this much copiumDead island nation with a dead language kek
>>268258080War heroes, revolutionary hero, etc. They may be for the status quo, but it could be for the status quo they just established day one of.
>>268251570shooting niggers and criminals ain't wrong
>>268258182How am I speaking copium? I didn't say Japan is doing great. Just that they are doing better in terms of birth rate the SK and China but that's not saying much when both are low. But that's not unusual when it's going down everywhere
>>268257725People didn't bitch about Ainz being evil. Nobody really cared when he did evil things like using a cheap casus belli to wage a genocidal war. They cared when he killed the cute girl adventurer instead of adding her to his collection.
>>268257884Honestly the hardest thing for me right now is trying to write a story about a male MC and a cult filled with good looking females, and trying to justify how the cult doesn't have many members outside of a few girls (and no men). So far every reason i thought of sounds pretty bullshit. Like, who woudln't hit on good looking girls, even ones that are wearing cult clothes?
>>268258204True but you don't get a lot of those in fiction at least mangawise or American comics which is capeshit. But a war hero I would say is reactive unless they started the war which they didn't. They just fight battles good. Everything that happens that is about change is not done by them. You have a point about revolutionary hero though.
>>268258300Look at posts on here constantly whining about him being evil. And yeah a lot of it is motivated by that. It's stupid. They complain they don't like collection of women ok so Ainz doesn't collect them and just kills them and they still complain.
>>268258303You don't. It's bullshit. There is a hentai doujin that is braver then you. Has same premise but the cult has men and they rape women when the MC isn't raping women.
>>268258135>It's that it doesn't match with reality so it's bad. It's fiction.It does have to follow some rules of reality unless you're going for some highly experimental avant garde work which your favorite battle shounen/isekai isn't going for. The audience wants to engage with characters, not pieces of wet cardboard with pink hair.
>>268258361Here is the thing, heroes should fucking die but plot armor protects them in fiction. Many times blatantly so. That's what I'm addressing. Now following some rules of reality I can agree with. That's fair enough. I have no issue there.
been watching anime for 20 years I can barely thought about 9 male mc I actually liked
>>268257776>Nobody does high budget hentai anymoreNobody did it in the first place.
>>268257746
>>268252853>unlocked all CGI and eventHoly shit, anon, this freaking game.
>>268257884>Good MCs of the 90s>>down to earth>>some slapstick>>level headed but not prodigies, may have some decent talents but are rarely "OP"Any examples?Personally I think the protagonists of 00s era were the best in terms of stand outs. Lelouch, Tomoya, Tokuchi, Klaus, Harima, Ichise, Jing, Brandon, Hei...
>>268258303just say it's a female only cult??
>>268258359Ideally the cult should at least make some sort of sense.>>268259155Sure but then there'd be no reason for a male MC to be a part of it.
>>268259327Easy. Make him a cross-dresser.
>it's another "I don't watch anime, but believe I'm qualified to talk about it" episodeWatch more anime.
>>268259327And it makes sense by having male members. The cult I mentioned had male members and they fucked women when MC was not doing it. I presume the point of your story is harem as otherwise why have an issue with this?
>>268248094watch jersey shore then
>>268251570Mostly because npc on the streets aren't characters and consequences don't exists.
>>268259487It not being the harem was what i was trying to get around with. Its more like a cult of incompetent girl cast who lucked into an eldrich tree.
>>268259641Then why not just make an all female cult with a female MC?
>>268257652Played all the games and he's a gentleman. All he does is deliver justice.
>>268259827Runs into the whole yuri genre, and people dont seem to like to play as female MCs. I guess it's kinda unavoidable that whoever plays as a male in a game will still want romance options.
>>268260023Then make it a mix sexed cult. Why insist on one male and rest women if you're not going to make it a harem. What's the point? Might as well make it mixed. You don't have to use the male members. Just that they exist and maybe some female members are there wives erases the thought that this is a harem.
>>268260064their wife's
>>268258622SOON
>>268256737He only rapes women who deserve it. A real man would rape everyone.
>>268252018I feel that a lot of that stuff is sort of 'out of canon'. Those people aren't real, you aren't killing anyone who matters. It's the same way why it's okay to mow down hundreds of mooks, but slapping a woman in the face is an unforgiveable crime. This is because the woman feels 'real' and is important, the mooks are faceless abstractions.
>>268257466I'm pretty sure the people who want assertive MCs and the people who complain about them are two different groups. Chinese stuff has lots of psychopathic MCs and those are entertaining as fuck.
>>268257444Yeah, it's like...I've actually noticed a lot of Korean manwha has this. At some point, the main character inevitably morphs into a boyband-looking motherfucker, who is 100% sure of himself and is a god amongst men.Obviously the most famous is Solo Leveling, but there are countless retreads where the protagonist is like that. The problem is that they're universally boring as shit.
>>268261443It depends. I'm talking about the mainstream. They may say that they want something that isn't bland goody two shoes but then throw a fit when the MC isn't that.
I would eat ass for proper Rance high budget adaptation. 03 or VI because they're best start.
>>268261443
>>268262554I like Chinese MCs being evil fucks as a change of pace from Japan stuff. So for me, I'm a fan of manga, manhua and manhwa. All good.
>>268256737literally the best comedy anime and also the best critique of anime tropes
>>268250308They try to find something that surpasses it but they can't. MT is absolute perfection and I'm talking about the LNs not the watered down anime adaption.
>>268263202btw isek/a/i has been searching for a worthy successor for eons now but all they have are FOTMs that are forgotten in like 1 month.
Rance doesn't count as a proper scumbag because every girl he rapes ends up loving him anyways
>>268257823you took the words right out of my mouth, i dont know if its an issue with japan in general but having a character with an actual personality seems to be a sin for them judging by all the lukewarm shit they produce where its all just generic good guys and generic bad guys and generic monsters and its a shame because the medium has potential but authors outright refuse to go beyond the standard overused character tropes and stories for kids/machildren
>>268263300similar to why rudeus isnt a proper scumbag because the setting bend over backwards to make him being a pedophile rapist not a big deal
>>268263473You constantly complain about him being a pedo rapist so no. Nevermind nobody around him knows what he was doing as a kid. But sure do go on and whine about this. >>268263466Idiot, look at the retard above you. You talk that you want people with personality but that's bullshit. You will only accept goody two shoes MCs. So shut the fuck up
>>268263300it doesn't go very well sometimes
>>268263566>You constantly complain about him being a pedo rapist so noSo? As long as the world of MT endlessly sucks his dick his deviant personality does not matter.
>MT is renting free in his bumpschizo tourist head for years
>>268263662Thanks for proving my point which I've stated constantly. Nobody wants the MCs that they claim they want.And also nice of ignoring that nobody really knows and just be frank that even if he has stopped you'd still be whining about it.
>>268263693For the mainstream, the only acceptable male MC is a goody two shoes that also has no sex drive. It's that simple.
>>268263725I like scumbag MCs because their scumbag personalities result in interesting problems and conflicts. Rudeus is a gary stu wish fulfillment faggot like all isekaishit MCs.
>>268263764Oh please. If you did like scumbag MCs you wouldn't be whining about this. I don't care about your whining of Isekai or wish fulfillment. Just shut the fuck up and go whine in the MT thread. This is not the MT thread and you fuckers are more obnoxious then Isekai.
>>268261443I usually love psychopathic characters, but chinese MC's are obnoxious, mostly because the story usually still treats their actions as if they were righteous. The entertaining wild ride effect is lost.
>>268263814MT is literally mentioned in OP RETARD
>>268263862Yes and it's proving my literal point that for all the whining you faggots do, catering to you is pointless cause you don't actually like the shit you claim you want. All you do is spam buzzword after buzzword. Everything is Gary stu, everything is wish fulfillment. Might as well make female MCs as then maybe you fags would shut the fuck up.
>>268263908>Everything is Gary stu, everything is wish fulfillmentNo just Mushit Tensei and its MC. Shouldn't have pretended it was more than generic isekaishit.
See>>268263845I want sociapathic MCs. Gets it and whines.
The thread is just bumpslut daily shitty MT bait anyway. OP didn't play Rance. Half of the posts are just samefagging
>>268263949Oh please. All you fags do this for everything. Again, shut the fuck up about MT. There is an MT thread and all of reddit. Go whine there.
>>268264000yea I shit on things I don't like and praise things I do like good job discovering what discussion boards are made for. >redditthey love mt and most isekai garbage
Sengoku Rance is the only good one. I got halfway(?) through Rance Quest and it was so boring I quit and didn't bother trying the others.
>>268264042What discussion? You aren't discussing anything worth a damn. Just signalling I hate MT over and over again spam buzzword after buzzword. A broken record
>>268264071A shame that characters like Rance can't exist in the current era. You'd have fags whining so much they'd make an international incident.
>>268264087I discussed how nothing about Rudeus' deviant personality or actions feel like they have any weight to them which is what makes him boring and unlikable try to keep up
>>268264130No. You've been spamming I hate Isekai and MT the entire time. If you actually liked his deviant personality you wouldn't be whining like this. So that's bullshit.
>>268264071True, but Sengoku Rance is really good.
>>268264180Retard I'm saying his personality doesn't matter because the world sucks his dick. Let me spell it out for you.Entertaining scumbag: I'm going to do what I want damn the consequences (followed by them dealing with the consequences in an interesting way)MT gary stu: I'm going to do what I want (there are no meaningful consequences its wish boring isekai garbage)
>>268264071Wrong.
>>268264071I like VI more because I vastly prefer dungeon crawlers and don't really like grand strategy games. Also funny how Sengoku posers never acknowledge Kichikuou
>>268248222Six and Alice are so fucking great. I wish the author wasn’t such a NEET cause I need more of them please.
>>268258303That's literally TEIS, it gets around it by having an MC that's too single-minded to care.
>>268264258Bullshit. Nothing but whining endlessly about Isekai and MT. Fuck off already and stop lying that you like scumbag MCs cause you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be whining about muh morality. Again, take it to MT or reddit
>>268264071You skipped the first five games...
>>268263908>Might as well make female MCs as then maybe you fags would shut the fuck up.That's what they actually want desu
>>268263300No.
>>268248094>Mushoku Tensei's protagonist was a degenerate pedophileWrong, he wasn't
>>268248222He should have fucked Rose
>>268263300That might've been somewhat true for the first 2 games, but not later on.
what are other rance inspired media? i only know about>konosuba>MT>Redo>Shield hero?
>>268268026Mushoku Tensei
>>268262554>Go to a restaurant with your harem of jade-like beauties to eat>Suddenly, a wild young master appears!>"Hey you, the most beautiful out of this flowerfield with skin fair enough to cause nations to fall! Come to my mansion so I can fuck you, as for the rest, you can have them, my followers!">Young master tries to grab main waifu but murder hobo protag interferes, young master gets irritated as fuck and shouts like a retard>"YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!">Onlookers gossip about "there is no way this weak-looking dude could possibly beat the young master, the match is already decided! No need to even look!">Murder hobo protag kills young master in one punch, all the onlookers go "HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!? He beat the young master! That can't possibly be! Who is that guy?">Old man, seemingly a beggar, but actually one of the strongest daoists in the world, who watches at the scene amused, scoffs at the now dead young master>"He had eyes but couldn't see mount Tai.">Suddenly the voice of the young master's father, who is the Sectmaster of Sect X resounds through the entire city>"HOW DARE YOU KILL MY SON! THERE WILL BE NO RECONCILIATION! I'LL MURDER YOU, ALL YOUR PREVIOUS 10 GENERATIONS AND ALL THE DOGS AND HENS AT YOUR HOME!">Murder hobo protag goes on to wipe out the entire Sect X because of "MUH by the roots!">As murder hobo is about to strike down the sect master, the sect master cries>"Fool! Our X sect is just small fry in comparison to the sect we are subordinate to, which is the the Y sect, who are in turn subordinate to the Z clan! You'll never have a peaceful life again!">Murder hobo protag shrugs>"Just more targets to KILL!">And so murder hobo protag finishes off the sectmaster and gets into conflict with Y sect (and later Z clan, because MUH progressive powerlevels)>All these events took a long time to describe but actually happened in an instantt. 99% of chink cultivation shit.
>>268257701I guess his complaint is that Rance doesn't exclusively have a bad side in these games like some people like to make it seem. Problem is for most is that you have to sit through a lot of hours of his anti-social behavior before you see progress in his character.
>>268259389pretty much this
>>268264258>gets beat half dead for not minding his own business, multiple times>talks shit about a girl he likes while drunk and she overhears him. tries to kill himself>gfs entire family died>father was killed in front of him>mother turns into a vegetable>gets his hand cut off>has to grovel at the feet of the man he tried to kill to spare his family>has to kill one of his friends>there are no meaningful consequences
>>268263300>because every girl he rapes ends up loving him anywaysPastel would like to make a case for slander
Just read picaresque novel and watch Torrente (picrel), he's a corrupt ex-cop, who's constantly drunk, take drugs, rapes, steals and more
>>268264071Honestly don't blame you. Quest is pretty whatever gameplay wise and the story only picks up towards the last quarter of the game. But at least it had good comedy and comfy music.
>>268254816Not only for kids, sadlyIt's why they went scorched earth with pantyshots, underage drinking and smoking, and they fucking moralfag so much against man initiative in sex related stuff nowadays
>>268248094>>268248395Try "the MC's polite Japanese behavior is just an unreliable narrator surface persona of a crazy eldritch entity" brand of isekai, although it requires more than basic reading comprehension ability to grasp and enjoy, so you might have to try something else if don't have that or have the attention span of an average TikTok consumer.
>>268269251Who‘s the bottom right cutie?
>>268257466That's just cognitive dissonance put in workingThey complain and slander people as evil because they are conditioned to
>>268256893>mangaYeah, anime committees should get on it
>>268269251>unreliable narratorLearn what that means.
>>268262554>this hurts the feelings of the chinese people
>>268257992Isn't it enough that he watched garbed, why do you want him to read it as well?
>>268263300most people he rapes (and just most people who know him in general) hate his guts or are simply extremely afraid of himit's just the characters that tend to stick around usually like him
>>268269686A narrator whose narration is untruthful in some way, regardless of whether that untruthfulness is deliberate or not. That's exactly what applies here.
>>268267341Sure, kek.
>>268248094Villain protagonists are fun, that's one of the reasons Death Note is good
>>268270354Just because a narration is subjective doesn't mean that it's an unreliable narrator. Because that would mean every narrator is unreliable. An unreliable narrator has to be deliberately made by the author to mislead the audience. That is not what happens in any of those examples you listed. Their actions might be controversial, but they are not misleading.
>>268248094>ctrl+f "Desert Punk">no resultsThis is what you're looking for OP. Desert Punk's MC is an actual asshole who joins the bad guys.
>>268271690The main girl looks ugly
>>268268686It's not even true, a lot of the time Rance really is just an evil asshole for no deep underlying reason.
>>268274281How is that evil? Are you an ugly fag?
>>268274281That's pretty much the premise for his character, he's an selfish evil shit but he's at least slightly gooder than the literal demons he's fightingThey toned it down a bit sengoku on but he will just kill men that mildly inconvenience him like it's nothing
>>268274281>a lot of the time Rance really is just an evil asshole for no deep underlying reason.My post didn't deny this. It's just that SOMETIMES he could be nice depending on his mood and that he gets slightly less extreme with each entry.
>>268274281Pride month NEEDS to end
>>268272649The purple haired chick with big boobs isn't really the main girl though. She's more like the protag's antagonistic love interest that occasionally appears.
>>268274830Is the "main girl" the loli then? I dropped it 3 episodes in.
>>268275147AFAIK she tagged along with him in every episode until she becomes the protagonist in the latter parts.
>>268275739That seems kinda neat. Maybe I'll give the series another shot in the near future.
>>268248094The problem is the japs want their female characters to be whores only for the bedroom of the MC, and virgin pure goddess with everyone else/not in the bedroom with the MC. So they make a MC aThat reflects the female characters they want
>>268270829>Just because a narration is subjective doesn't mean that it's an unreliable narrator. Because that would mean every narrator is unreliable.The reason I call them unreliable narrators is not due to their perspectives being subjective specifically. >An unreliable narrator has to be deliberately made by the author to mislead the audience. That is not what happens in any of those examples you listed. Their actions might be controversial, but they are not misleading. No, their actions ARE infact misleading. There is often a certain disassociation between what their "polite Japanese selves" is conveying and what their actual thoughts, emotions and/or actions are. In some rare moments we, the audience, are shown glimpses of the truth behind it, but we are not being reminded about that all the time and the facade still reappears after that, so they are just "the mask slips a bit" moments.Take Makoto for example. When he killed the hyuman who chose to become a "terrorist" in the mist town, he suddenly started crying because he is "supposed to be sad when someone dies", not because he is actually sad about someone's death. It shows that at least a part of his emotions are faked, are just an imitation. This alone should completely change the view that an observant member of the audience has about Makoto, both in regards to before and after that scene. It also makes it obvious that Makoto's usual expressions of feelings and his self-image both cannot be trusted. How is that not an unreliable narrator?
>>268248886Oh yeah I like that show too.Wait did you mean monogatari or arifureta? Or tenchi? Sword art? Shit
Rance is a gaijin in his world, he is not japanese
>>268269327From "The Death Mage doesn't want a Fourth Time"
>>268250518I want my husband to have a harem. I love him to death and having a bunch of girls that want him when I'm top bitch is a huge ego boost.
>>268252805I was under the impression he sexed all the girls except maybe the dragon and just didn't like it when the rabbit loudly announces it. Because the dragon and vampire even have a conversation about it when the school friend joins in.
>Try to fuck princess in Sengoku Rance>GAME OVER PEDOPHILE >Try to fuck same princess in Rance X when she's a year older and still has the same body>This is fine
>>268248395There are plenty of web novels that have that, the problem is the publishers walling them off with revisions if they become novels.
>>268248094Boring polite guy is a safe sale for merchandise/BD.
>>268248094Notice how no one is denying how rance is a scumbag but thats why people him. Meanwhile pedotensei faggots have constant meltdown and use every excuse in the book to defend that shit.
>>268250253>>268249822He and the vampire did it right after the boss of the first labyrinth. They do it again after the Meldy's labyrnth. They do it again after the volcano. He does the rabbit some time around the airship depature.
>>268248094>When I heard Mushoku Tensei's protagonist was a degenerate pedophile I was stoked to watch it, but then the story just turned him into yet another kind/polite Japanese guyI can already tell you didn't watch past the depression arc, he's only le MC PC nice guy because he's fucking depressedhe's back at it again once that's over
>>268274539rance is a manchild, he just does whatever he feels like, and sometimes he feels like doing something good (though more often than not, what he wants to do just coincidentally aligns with what's good)as the series progresses he starts leaning more towards being good in general, but not by a very big margin, like as the games go on he focuses starts trying to have consensual sex more but if that fails he has no issues resorting to blackmail or rape
>>268279327you spelled conqueror wrong
Shitdeus is the worst MC ever and the MT author has definitely raped kids
>>268277332Rance's world is Europe with Japan tacked on at the otherside.
>>268274281That's not evil, that's a real hero right there.
A generic rapeman will never be a good MC
>>268248134yes, with me!
I love generic rapeman so much.https://youtu.be/hvqTxcvnO_Q
>>268280151Based and SOUL
>rance cucks think they are based and evil!LolYet they never mention rance being a hypocrite which they love btw but hate ainz for being one too.How he cried and became evil because one woman died.Also he's written by a woman that made him Gary stu which is hilarious since his his 'fans' hate women and OP mcs.
>people dont like unlikeable charactershuh shocker
>>268281335>this is what the average rancehater thinkswhen something is so easy to hate on that you can say "rapegame bad" and get a trillion updoots, it really brings the worst and least intelligent of shitters, huh
>>268281335Yikes
>>268276459Is that intentional or just garbage writing and the author not knowing how to convey feelings properly?
>>268279327He also pisses and shits himself less when he has to work with guys. Not quite "respecting" most of them, but at least willing to not spaz out.
>>268281583An unlikable person can be a likable character if done properly. Most japs just don't have the skill.
>>268281583The funny part is just you need to make them good looking.Like imagine if Light Yagami looked like this (the stalker from perfect blue).Even in universe, he wouldnt have gotten away with 1/10th the bullshit that he did because people would be on guard with him from the first meeting.
>>268279607Meanwhile
>>268281335You know, it's kinda interesting the amount of people hate Rance for polar opposite reasons. Most don't like him because they can't get on board with a cunt MC (predicably). But then here comes the sect who thinks he's not fully committed enough to being a brute.
>>268281852Are you talking about rance?
>>268282084Na, Rance is a good comedy well writting, with action, horror, suspense and love scenes.
>>268282170The H scenes are the worst part of Rance by far.
>>268282208Yes because it's a plotge.
>>268282208Unironically true. I've never talked to anyone who played Rance games (beyond trying out Sengoku) for the H scenes.The only misgiving most fans have towards removing them entirely is that they're somewhat of an integral part of the setting and Rance's character.
>>268279607>not the hecking pedophilia!Mindbroken redditor, Rudy is god tier.
>>268280433X's version of Ontology just isn't as good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwEjegP5oZgI think Sengoku did the best demon army battle theme tbqh, it's just missing the laughing from Kichikuou's version.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S1-gNkPp18
>>268282363>If you don't like my heckin fat pedophile self insert you are le reddit...Meanwhile in reality
>>268282542LMAO
>>268282170>>268282208Although Rance's writing is the best of any hentai game, its pornographic elements are terrible, which is why people played the game in the first place. It's so funny to me.
>>268282542>>268282571All me, btw.
>>268282595Most porn in porn games is, ironically, quite shit.
>>268282208ErogameScape lets you vote on how good the porn was and it's funny to see how low most games rank lol. R10 is one of the highest rated Rance games porn-wise and it's still pretty low
>>268282363>we interrupt this heartfelt and well written moment to bring you the most stupid and boring internal monologues possible about Rudeus being hornyRudy is fucking dogshit and literally any other character who has ever had a POV in any novel has been a better MC than him
Rudy has never raped anybody and is against killing>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T FAP TO PIXELS ON A SCREEN AND BE FATGrow up
>>268283393weren't the pixels on a screen photos of his nieces showering that he took with a hidden camera...
>>268283513It's not specified
>>268282840>How usable is the fap materialkek
>>268283977Is it not? It was specifically stated in the WNs. I guess it makes sense that they'd tone it down.
>>268248094How's rance?Started playing the smt series this month and want to know how good the cgs/gameplay is.
>>268253706This is why I couldn't get into Overlord, I'd be fine with an evil protagonist that does the evil shit for a reason you can empathise with, but Ainz is just sort of apathetically evil because the consequences of his actions don't really matter to him either way.
>>268284690The porn's mostly shit. And the gameplay from most entries that's not Sengoku (and maybe Kichikuou if you ignored how flaw it is) is just average. Hard carried by the humor and having some good story moments.
>>268284853How about patrick bateman?
>>268253706doesn't he personally order a genocide, and for a bunch of people and their families to be tortured to the limit of their bodies no matter how they beg, after they killed a king he wanted to be homies with
>>268284993Fair enough, they're actually very similar characters but I do like American Psycho while Overlord doesn't work for me. I'm not sure what the vital difference between their characters is. Maybe because Ainz is too passively involved in the actions, or because Bateman is more self-aware that he's a psycho.
>>268282208>>268282362>Give Rance a shot>Expect a nice tags: rape mindbreak etc doujin fap given his reputation>This guy is kind of a clown>His theme starts blasting during the sex (it's pretty solid)>This clown will not shut up holy fuckIronically the best faps I've probably had during Rance are the more vanilla scenes and some of the bad ends with the recurring girls since they're less likely to use Glorious Days and he's less likely to do something dumb mid-sex
>>268284690very good VIDEO GAMES with outstanding cast, story, lore and worldbuilding.Rance X is my GOAT,the porn is the worst aspect of the franchise (outdated art, unvoiced).
>>268285166They're not that similar beyond a surface level, Bateman is incredibly emotional, unstable and volatile. And his breakdown near the end does make it seem like he's not actually that apathetic about his actions.
>>268285166The difference is bateman has something every human does, just shown outwardly in a gruesome way. It's the mix of being forced to wear a "mask" of morality/social order that is perceived by everyone, and his true desires and need for acceptance of the real self, and how those two things are at a conflict. Batemans violent urges are just something that happens to most people only in their minds, instead of actually breaking down and doing it for real and accepting the call of the void.Overlord MC doesn't have any of that struggle, hes just an overpowered isekai mc with a spooky theme thats treating that world as a regular mmorpg and not much more.
>>268268026Sentouin gave me way more Rance vibes than any of those others, even if his color scheme doesn't really match. >>268248222>Comedy based on MC scheming or spontaneously being an asshole with a sophomoric sense of humor>Dude is reasonably competent so people have to tolerate him>Supporting cast distributed between girls who barely put up with him, girls who actively want his dick, cunnies who enable him, and the rare male he tolerates
>>268285310The art in the recent games is pretty good but scenes are still flawed due unvoiced, 1CG per scene and such.
>>268285117That just turned it from an apathetic genocide to an angry one. His subordinates were the ones that decided to destroy the country in the first place.
>>268285428And that's why bateman is a pussy, ainz does know what is happening around him and what he is doing.The difference is that he doesn't care if he slaughters millions of people including torturing them to death.Their is no apathic beta shit, just his love and will to do anything for his npcs and those he befriends.
>>268285584shit, that does sound exactly like Rance
Rance isn't based because he doesn't rape loli.
>>268279607>>268282542>>268282571>>268283293>OMG OMG IS THAT A FERTILE YOUNG GIRL!! HELP ME POLICE WHO RAPE LITTE KIDS! AIIEEEE
>>268286197...Are you sure?
Pitch me your evil MC that's actually interesting to watch /a/.
>>268286347uh oh pedo tensei melty!
>>268285299>That sceneGlow dickers
>>268282542>Knows what reddit likesGo back>>268286576Keep seething you soidditor
>>268286540He rapes and is bad but other people are badder so he seems good!! peak fiction!
>>268279607>>268282542>>268282571>>268286576All me btw
>ctrl+f "Ataru">0 resultsI also like dickhead protagonists and Ataru from Urusei Yatsura is easily my favourite anime protagonist. I haven't really watched the remake yet but the 80's series is very good if you're looking for dickhead protags.Also, I would recommend the Violinist of Hamelin manga. The anime series is completely different and he's not an asshole in that.
>>268248094You'll love Sabage-bu! then.
>>268286347Idk what you're crying about I was just saying Rudy is a dogshit MC since his POV is actively detrimental to the story. Every other character in MT is better than him when they get the role.
>>268286781Cope isekaislurper your MT slop is beloved on reddit because its full of low IQ SEAnigger shitskins like you
>>268279964Zeth Is middle east/India and like 1/3 of the landmass Is full of demons
>>268248134This
>>268264071You are a faggot and Muramasa Is worse than 5D
>>268248094>Every Japanese MC is a good guy. Lurk more. You're just a lazy faggot who wants to be spoonfed and not bother to actually look up the criteria that you're jacking off to.
>>268248442Eh, despite being a degenerate alcoholic and partial nudist, he's a huge pussy when it comes to women and the reason the girls who like him in the series do it because he's a nice guy. He's not PC, but he sure isn't a 100% scumbag.
>>268286540This guy is good enough that I don't need to pitch an idea. Talk shit, get hit, be a man whore, rape bitches, work for yakuza, roid up, ruin lives from petty shit
>>268248134>>268248900>>268249484i posted this and am trans btw
>268264071And Muramasa is a drawn out Pain arc from Naruto, so that automatically makes all Rance games better.
The game of familia manga has a MC that's a scumbag. The Isekai NTR manga also obviously has a scumbag MC who has sex with everybody else's women behind their back. But as far as scumbag MC's that are actually funny, the guy from Combatants will be dispatched is one of the better ones. He really goes all out molesting the poor demon girl.
>>268252018That was before, now GTA players just grind the same missions online to buy the latest meme.
>>268264071>series is 11 games long>plays 1 and a half>"Sengoku is the only good one"nigger
>>268286936>>268287145All me btw
I played 11 Rance games and only Sengoku is good.
>>268287145The average Mushoku hater is a seanig, so nice projection.
>little reminder
>>268248222I wish scumbag girls were more common in anime. Not just shallow whores but actual psychopaths.
>>268288279>this type doesn't count!!Average edgelord retard.
>>268288279Like a yandere?
>>268288279She's an android who's designed to act evil. But there's also Snow in that series who's 100% a scumbag and a greedy bitch (actually worse than the MC in many aspects).
>>268248094>I'm tired of every Japanese MC being a PC nice guyThey are better than Edgy Mc.
>>268288390Are yanderes psychopaths? It feels like they're just insane
Yuki the animation series fucking when?
>>268288279Power?
>>268288444>rance >edgyHe's a silly tard like Kazuma
>>268288558Range would have raped Darkness 5000 times by now unlike fagzuma
>>268271690A scumbag from chapter 1/episode 1 and only gets more degenerate and evil as the story goes on. It's great to see him start to take control of his vices and not constantly play the simp to Junko or whatever big tittied bitch who crosses his path. And then become a powerful player in the desert.
>Range
I think it's strange that so many /a/ releases and videogames nowadays have female protagonists and not a whole lot of people seem to mind. Modern weebs are more feminine than before I suppose.
>>268248843Read the LN, loser
>>268248094He was a worthless bitch in his previous life, of course he was a kind/polite Japanese guy. He might have a better life but he's still a coward.
>>268288279I want more Edelgard-like characters
>>268288588The vibe I get from Darkness is that she's dangerously delusional and would crush anyone that actually tried something on her with her bare hands. Kazuma knows that she's hopeless.
>>268288637Female characters are generally better written and less insufferable than the average male protagonist.
>>268288696No, darkness wants kazuma to dick her hard so in a scenario where rance and kazuma swapped, he’d fuck her as well as the other two, so he’s not like kazuma. Rance is a literal H-game protag.
>>268282208Because Rance was a failed All-ages all the fucking time like Fate and Tsukihime, sexo is bad.
>>268288704When the average male protagonist is a complete spineless wimp, it makes sense that the male readers would identify more even with a female character that atleast has some degree of self-confidence.
>>268288279>I wish scumbag girls were more common in anime. Not just shallow whores but actual psychopaths.Pretty much Murciélago. Maybe Youjo Senki, if genderbents count.
>>268288685die
>>268288714Kazuma has already got the shit beat out of him by Darkness many times. I don't think he wants to stick his D in crazy. He's looking for someone that's relatively normal and not high maintenance.
>>268288622orange range
>>268288791he desperately wants to stick his dick in crazy, he's just a wimp and a coward, and mildly loyal to Megumin who's also crazya couple (2) times he tries to go through with it (specifically by getting Darkness to "rape" him) but gets interrupted
>>268288791It’s confirmed by the all knowing demon that he does have feelings for her but is scared of rejection, making him a fag, especially since both darkness (and darkness’s father who offered her in marriage) have clearly stated she’s his if he wants.
>>268288704True, but the medium still peaks with male MCs. If they're done right.
>>268288819I see yellow
>>268288704Only women can write good male characters and only men can write good female characters. 6 or 7 Rance games rance was written by a woman
>>268285428>Overlord MC doesn't have any of that struggle, hes just an overpowered isekai mc with a spooky theme thats treating that world as a regular mmorpg and not much more.Ainz doesn't treat the world as an mmorpg. You can go on and on and spam about muh Isekai MC buzzword but it means nothing. Ainz is fully aware that the world is real and the people is real. He doesn't care of they suffer cause he has no empathy for them. All this whining is funny for me cause people complain they are tired of MCs collecting waifus. Ainz doesn't collect waifus and doesn't talk about his sex drive which is also what drives people nuts about MT as shown here >>268286936cause Ainz no longer has a sex drive but still you fuckers bitch. As I said, the only acceptable MC is a bland goody two shoes with no sex drive.
>>268288887you have a sex drive and not be fucking obnoxious, plenty of other characters within MT itself (they're all kinda horny) manage it just fine
>>268288704>>268288847No. You don't like male MCs cause of reasons I state here>>268257466>>268288887Even if the MC is not passive. He is still just a bland stoic badass avatar that kills things for gamers to self insert as cause the sliding scale of acceptable male characters is rigid>>268288887
>>268288838I'm sure he has feelings but I don't think he enjoys the idea of getting manhandled by a woman he's in a relationship with. That's why he's always mentioning Darkness's muscles and abs like they're a turnoff.
>>268288905As I said, a male MC can't have a sex drive. Simple as. Which goes right back to my point.
>>268288925I don't engage with attention hungry /pol/tards. Don't make me read more than two of your posts ever again, please.
>>268248094Take the VNpill>>268248222Sentouin is better than Konosuba and I'm tired of pretending it's not
>>268288956Not a poltard. I accept your concession that you're wrong. Thanks for playing.
>>268288931>t. has no understanding of darkness’s characterShe wants to be roughed up by kazuma. This is explicitly stated many times. She doesn’t want to dominate him. Kazuma is just another sexphobe
>>268288941there's male characters in MT, MCs even (of their respective spinoffs) who are horny without being constantly obnoxious in their internal narration...
>>268289075They aren't the MC though. If they were the MC, I'd think the reaction would be different as in people would bitch.
>>268289038No but she will rough up Kazuma whenever he does something she doesn't like. ATleast Megumin can't beat him in a fistfight.
>>268288685I don't even think she was meant to be that psycho, just the usual "for the greater good" basic trolley problem characterGame was just written so shittily (and the main antagonists so inconsistently, ranging from "these guys could rape and conquer the continent overnight" to "how have these retards not killed themselves off eating glue yet") that all her plans come off as nonsensical
>>268289232Yeah, she works with the satanic mole people that raped, experimented on, and tortured her for a decade after causing an insurrection in her city instead of the people opposed to them, so she is a retard.
>>268289327I mean even that could've been your standard "pretend to be mindbroken, backstab them later" plot but instead you have>Openly clashes with them>Talks about them not being a threat to her, jobs to them in all but one route and the musou spinoff>Rambles about helping the peasants or not letting experiment rape happen ever again (the moles are off raping and experimenting on entire peasant villages)
>nobody mention bastardCrazy how influential is but completely fly under radar.
>>268287545And how does that story end hmmm?
>>268288967Konosuba used to be on the same level as Sentouin, but it has really fell far.
>>268288279Funny enough, blondie was literally that, and everyone was on her ass mad about it, till the artist gave in and wrote her a sob backstory, and now everyone likes her.
>>268289891Isn't that the girl with the peanut butter jar and dog?
>>268288967>Take the VNpillYeah then you'll have all the Heroine Sex with Others you can ever possibly want!
>>268288886>>268288704>The best female character is one thats a high functioning male stuck in her body, and its got nothing to do with trans stuff.
>>268285299...people...actually masturbate to fucking Rance of all eroge to jack off to?
>>268288662He not much of a coward in his new life as he actively puts himself in danger. I don't get how you can call him a coward.
>>268248094read meccha shoukan sareta ken
>>268248222Name?
>>268258443Who is middle left?
>>268248222It's strange how often my mind comes back Sentouin. At the time I thought it was fun but nothing special, but it really managed to execute it's premise and characters excellently to the point where it sits rent free in my head. Very underrated show.
>>268291660use google image search, zoom in on the face
>>268291728Kill yourself
>>268291782...or be an ignorant faggot
>>268269240it's funny how much media everywhere tries to push "strong woman" for the past several decades and literally no one cares, isn't it time to stop at this point clearly it isn't working
>>268288662Kys you don't even watch the show.
>>268274281are you implying that "death to uglies and fags" is something evil? i feel sorry for you not only ugly but a faggot as well damn
get a job fat pedotensei faggots
>>268263300just like real life
>>268282058i am honestly impressed by this guy, the balls to explain to them what you want to voice while being looked at like that
>>268293408>still seethingKEKAROOMushokuchads mindbroke redditors and twittertards.
>>268251320you're just jealous you aren't hot enough for him to rape if you're a girl and if you're a guy you just got your gf raped by him and she'll be breaking up with you.
>>268282362>>268282208Rance has a lot hot as fuck H scenes and 01 with 03 have fucking Gyokai art.This "H scenes are the worst part of Rance" is mostly typical western "ironic weeb" or normalfag mantra. Anything lewd is always looked down as something problematic and embarrassing. The terms porn game or eroge are viewed with disdain even here. People always shit talk H scenes when they recommend their favorite VNs to other normalfags from /a/ or /v/. Especially now when everyone afraid of being sincere and being seen to be sincere. Rance H scenes are not on the level of dedicated nukige with few characters like a Biman games but are they really "worst part of Rance"? No way nigger.
>>268282362do you talk to anyone besides normie vanillafags?>>268282208best part of rance.
>>268293408normies like you deserve to be raped. for your shit opinions get fcked
>>268294227I fucking hate this revisionismIt's been over 10 years and I can still vividly remember how much the scenes like Yukihimes rape scene, or the ninja H scene, or breeding Yamamoto drained my balls. I was a dry husk after playing it for like a week.
>>268294492Miki is Moe ~~although she doesn't have glasses~~
>>268288704Spoken like a yuritranny lmao
>>268249628>marries a single mother
I just wish there was a harem LN where the mc is the one pursuing the ladies rather than the other way around
>>268255058>babby's first edgy protagMore like the industry's. Some of you guys don't realise just how huge Rance was and is
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>>268257746How many episodes would a full adaptation of the entire canon series take
>>268289831Kinda shit cause of the falling out but him dying IS a good/fitting end for scum MCs. Not everything should end in smiles and roses.
>>268261443Reverend Insanity anime when? It would probably become my favourite of all time
>>268295184Rudeus is the most proactive one you'll find outside hentai and VNs.
>>268248094We get it,you have a porn addiction
>>268295266>banned by winnie the poo for being too basednever ever
>>268294227>>268294609Based, my balls are still dry.
>>268295408I will save him and extradite him to the west so he can finish it
>>268256658>Why exactly there are so many "nice guy"s we can only speculateBecause the loser nerds watching and reading this shit are exactly that. Nice guys.
>>268261443>Chinese stuff has lots of psychopathic MCs and those are entertaining as fuck.Because the truth is, nobody likes nice guy boyscouts. People will always prefer the assertive guy who gets shit done. They might say they like the nice guy to be socially acceptable, but words are cheap and actions are everything.
>>268257545Or Baki.
>>268261480>The problem is that they're universally boring as shit.Nobody cares about the loser nerd, dude. If your protag's some crybaby loser all the way through, you're fucking up majorly. The nerd is best reserved as a side character only. The hype man to the actual protag.
>>268262424>They may say that they want something that isn't bland goody two shoes but then throw a fit when the MC isn't that.That's just the losers getting pissy that they can't self insert.
>>268267244She still had his kid though.
>>26826407101 and 5D are fun. IX has cancer final boss but X is amazing. 02 and 03 are alright. X is nice too.
>>268295770i wish that was true, imagine how fuckin badass religion would be if they revolved around the real hardcore motherfuckers. the world is pussy and gay because they all worship boyscouts like jesus and buddha and capeshit superheroes and shonen slop. we'd have a society of strong men.this is why china is going to win too eventually. they see the world for what it is and their protagonists reflect that. their society is hardened to reality
>>268289968Did this series even need the reincarnation isekai shit? Couldn't it have been done as just a regular Alt History story with this evil girl genius that hates God?
>>268295882>shonen slopShonen used to have assertive protags back when they were all hotheads.
>>268295352But he picked the most bland and boring girls
>>268248442You just don't get it, retard.
>>268295882>capeshit superheroesCharacters like Punisher and Ghost Rider are still badass though. Then again, they're the least capeshit-like compared to characters like Spider-Man and Superman. Suicide Squad and the Guardians of the Galaxy are barely capeshit too.
>>268295978they were also boring ass good guys who did the "right thing" even if they were hotblooded/brash and that's fucking gay. i want conquerors and warlords and real movers of history, not "i gotta help my nakama because thats what good people do!!!!!!" cryptochristian garbage
>>268295882>capeshit superheroesFunnily enough, Spider-Man's backstory is literally about some loser nerd getting a cheat skill that gives him a buff body and gets all the bitches. Dude was literally a self insert of one of the creators who ended up dying bitchless.
>>268248094As far as anime and manga go, the only MC who is anything even remotely close to Rance is Subabozu/Desert Punk.Japanese authors/writers are too weak for this stuff. They'd rather just play it safe with an everyman dumb readers can comfortably project themselves into.
>>268286906No you stupid idiot. Nothing like Rance.
>>268286876Nothing like Rance, moron.
>>268296005It's not his fault that you have bad taste.
>>268295942The reason I haven't gotten into it yet is the gender-bender shit. I don't want to follow a loli that's actually an ojisan
>>268256658>>268295690Bullshit. If they did like evil characters they would be whining about Ainz all the bloody time about how evil he is. He is evil but constant whining about him and the fag from MT cause muh morally dubious. This is pure cope.
>>268295882>imagine how fuckin badass religion would be if they revolved around the real hardcore motherfuckersIslam?
>>268296075>Spider-Man's backstory is literally about some loser nerd getting a cheat skill that gives him a buff body and gets all the bitchesWhat? No, the whole point of Spiderman is that despite being a superhero, Peter Parker still gets dumped on in every situation. He lives in a shitty apartment, works a shitty job for pennies as a freelance photographer for a guy who also hates her alter-ego, it's not until much later on he gets to date Mary Jane (whom the writers love to put through drama and crap to the point where they were gonna get married, then some alternate dimension shit happened and that never happens)
>>268295942If you don't like reincarnation, then stop reading Eastern stuff cause they constantly use it.
>>268296193You're thinking of the movies. I'm talking about the original comics. Peter was dating Betty before he met MJ. Even after meeting MJ, he started dating Gwen instead.
>>268295822The same people who say that they want something different and when they get it throw a fit are also the same people that bitch about self insert characters. They fundamentally don't know what they want.
>>268296193>whom the writers love to put through drama and crap to the point where they were gonna get married, then some alternate dimension shit happened and that never happensThey got married in the 80s, dude. They were broken up in the late 00s.
>>268296179Spent a while reading about Muhammad a while ago and the pretty funny. One of his wives was pissed at him for being unfaithful by raping his slaves so he hit up God and got the okay, or immediately renegaded on his promise to go on a diet because Allah told him he didn't need to. Funny guy, would've liked Rance
>>268296193So basically for all the hardwork you guys espouse, you just want Peter Parker to suffer for all time then seeing as him getting dumped on is a good thing
>>268296005They were basically his choices and the ones he had history with. You're basically saying he should have just been collecting girls randomly despite this place bitching that waifu collecting is le bad.
>>268296280It's really the only thing he's got. Dude got his powers handed to him. He never worked for them or anything. It's a spit in the face to all those who actually did put in the effort to become fit and cultivate their skills.
Can someone tell me if there's a way to fuck Hikari in 01? I'm in the middle of my second playthrough and trying to do everything this time
>>268281852>G-guys? T-the scene that very naturally rounds up the demonstration of the MC having psychopathic tendencies w-was just an accident of bad writing and totally unintentional! It was actually supposed to unironically convey MUH emotions, whatever that means! Are you just pretending to be retarded? I am trying to see what kind of train of thought led you to this ridiculous conclusion that it was not intentional and it just doesn't work out. You didn't even read or watch the scene in question, did you?
>>268296346Here's the funny joke. You're basically saying he should kill himself then as decreed by genetics he is a failure. This throws all the hard work bullshit you guys espouse into the garbage and proves the Japs are totally right.
>>268296005>cute matronly wife-material elf cf >ageless wizard sensei that trained you as a toddler>super-powerful hotheaded swordswoman you travelled the world with as a child Supremely curated harem. Would you rather he married Sara or something?
>>268296146>>268296314>>268296395I never read it but thanks for giving me the answers I wanted
>>268296110:(
>>268248094Someone didn't watch Re:Monster.
>>268296478I never read it either. You fuckers constantly whine about this show on every thread and forum and reddit that I know what has happened by pure osmosis. And you haven't been proven right at anything. You are saying you want waifu collecting but are likely a ducking hypocrite who previously was whining you hate waifu collecting. Just shut the fuck is what I'm saying.
>>268296525* fucking hypocrite >>268296503As I've said for all the whining about not wanting bland goody two shoe no spine MCs, they don't actually want assertive evil MCs
>>268296503I didn't watch it because it's niggerish. Some ugly monster raping and impregnating attractive white women is a nigger fantasy. Rance on the other hand is himself an attractive white human and his actions are therefore inherently aristocratic
>>268296388>You're basically saying he should kill himself then as decreed by genetics he is a failureNo. His genes are fine given who his parents are. He's just a lame ass nerd who didn't want to work out or do any sports.
>>268296525>>268296551Pure schizo babble
>>268296808No, it's entirely accurate. The schizo is you who won't shut the fuck up about the show.>>268296722That is what you're saying idiot. Even if he works hard and saves the world countless times it means nothing cause genetics so he should end himself. That's what you're implying here. You're basically saying that the Japs are right. This is hilarious.
>the little thread that could
>>268297003>The schizo is you who won't shut the fuck up about the show.I'm not your boogeyman
>>268248094>>268248094yeah all anime MCs nowadays become wimp worker drone cucks eventuallyRudeus in the end is just another sellout to big Normie
>>268248426shut up dumb nigger
>>268297003>Even if he works hard and saves the world countless timesMy point was that he didn't work hard at all to get his body and powers. He got a cheat skill and skipped all the effort needed. He's just a self insert for losers who seethe at the guys who do put in the effort to become better.
>>268295882Damn, can't believe China became mankind's only hope.
>>268257823well said
>>268296075>>268296193>>268296280>>268296346I find this quite ironic. An individual getting something easily by accident/luck is considered wrong and unfair and should be punished for it by nature, by the laws of universal karmic justice. Don't you see how arrogant that is? People call an individual "getting power handed on a platter" to be "wish-fulfillment" and other such buzzwords. But ultimately it limits things to themselves. They just seek self-actualization and it's natural to do so. Most people would want it if they can get it easily. Now what about your wish? You wish that the fictional world functions based on your own beliefs and that your world-views are imposed on everyone, dictating the rules of the world on them. You don't want your own limitations gone, but rather opt to impose limitations according to your own views on "karmic fairness" on others. I find that to be far worse "wish-fulfillment" than an individual achieving instant self-actualization.
>>268261443Chinese MCs are too one-dimensional, all about "face" without any inner world, and the character building is also generally worse than jp works. Based side characters from jp works are more interesting than both jp and cn MCs
>>268264258yeah this kind of character is the best imo, not necessarily scumbag, just has its own unique set of core values very different from what is common (which causes conflicts and interesting situations)
>>268285584>and the rare male he toleratesthis is why i prefer the nice guys. I am sick of this toxic bro vs bro shit. whatever, Ranma is going to save anime. Hes exactly the kind of jerkass you describe but hes still a nice guy. Eat shit.
>>268248094You retards will cry about MCs like this then when something like Bastard!! (which Rance is inspired by) gets a new anime adaption, you guys don't watch it.Either support shit like this when it comes out or keep complaining
>>268298234>watch some fucking faggot dick bag take over the body and life of another malethis anime is for roasties. men don't do eachother like that unless theyre raised by single moms.
>>268298322Dark Schneider's body's original soul wouldn't have accomplished a fraction of what he did and would have been forgotten about after his death The legend of D.S. will be eternal
>>268298322Thread was about MCs that are dick bags, I don't get your point?
>>268298350>you are weak so of course i trample on you hahahahahahahayeah whatever bugman. go back to your chinkslop>>268298360I never claimed to be a supporter of OPs broken premise, but the point is it's not a male fantasy to want to screw over a little boy. Only boomers and roasties are that sadistic and so only someone with that kind of mentality could appreciate it.
>>268298410He's not really screwing him over though, they just share a body and work together at times if needed.
>>268298440>starting off with bargaining>moving on to anger>now denialweird way to grieve but you do you.
>>268298350The OG soul was Lucifer though wasn't it?
>>268297286This is capeshit dimwit. Everyone gets power cause plot says so. The only one that didn't get powers is batman and he succeeds cause plot armor bullshit that is also helped cause he got born into a rich family. This standard you have is a farce. Peter Parker is a subhuman to you cause he is an nerd that should have ended himself cause he wasn't born a Chad but gets power anyway. This is your actual issue.>>268297091And yet you keep whining.
>>268298234Cause they don't want actual dark MCs. They claim that they do but they don't. They complain constantly when they get them or don't watch them.
>>268248134fpbp as always
>>268297151Rudy from what I understand wants to live a successful life which he considers having a home, some success and getting married and having kids. The basics. That is his legitimate goal. Is it umabitious? Sure. But entirely normal for most people. That's fair enough and he tolerates slavery and doesn't do anything about it cause he wants to assimilate into the world rather then impose modern world values into it. That doesn't sound normie to me.
>>268248134holy shitfpbputterly destroyed
>>268248134Classic redditdrone first post, lame
>>268248134/a/ fucking destroyed
Thankfully our subhuman indian jannies removed the IP counter so this tranny can samefag his post endlessly. Thank you ABIB you shitskin animal.
>>268248134Go back to discord fucking trannie.
>>268251408>manic pixie dream girlsKaori was anything, except a manic pixie dream girl, she even caused a case of ntr bait due to having withheld information from Kousei about her feelings.Captchuh: GAY XGJ
>>268248094agreed the most successful people irl are sociopaths
>>268301170And Psychopaths
>The peak white fantasy for an american is just a japanese acting like a common black personColor me surprised
>>268248094But what about listless nice MCs who succumb to their darkest upbringings, feelings and thoughts and become legit scumbags and psychopaths who rejoice into the bloodbath until they get content enough?
>>268289717Darsh is too alpha for these limpdicks
>>268298505The boy in question is literally Lucifer
>>268301323Rance is a boobman
>>268289717It's because it's the same 5 whiners posting this thread over and over. Bastard!! just got a solid adaption with two seasons and the threads were slow. These people don't want actual solutions to their issues, they just want to complain.
>>268301133>attractive, energetic and quirky girl enters the brooding male MC's life and gives it new meaning by forcing him out of his shell>confesses at the end that she liked him all along Kaori is a textbook MPDG
>>268301783Correct. For all their complaints, they don't actually want what they say they want. If they did get it, they throw bitchfits. They live to complain.
>>268248094>scumbag MCThere's a difference between scumbag and unironic sexual (pedophile) molester.
>>268302064No. He is a scumbag mc. You get Ainz, you guys bitch also and all he does is kill people and not collect waifus. He doesn't even talk about sex at all or desires it. But still you bitch. You don't want a scumbag mc.
>>268268888Torrente is literally the spaniard Rance with ugly bastard shapehttps://youtu.be/-nAynrdPd-Y?si=xUa6f_ixfd-XsggR
>>268299718>The only one that didn't get powers is batmanAnd Iron Man since he designed and built his armors himself. First one he made from a literal pile of scraps.
>>268299718>Peter Parker is a subhuman to you cause he is an nerd that should have ended himself cause he wasn't born a Chad but gets power anywayI never said he should kill himself you wacko. You're putting words in my mouth.
>>268301879You act as if these threads represent the general consensus. They don't. It's still a minority of people bitching about non-bitchboy protags.
>>268302667Ironman is fair but not batman. Cause as I pointed out:>and he succeeds cause plot armor bullshit that is also helped cause he got born into a rich family.Aka cheats but this is fine apparently cause he is a born Chad.And even ironman is suspect cause he didn't grind. He was just born a genius aka a cheat >>268302719He might as well though. You are basically saying that he is cursed from birth and no matter what he does he will always be cursed. And what's funny is that this doesn't apply to batman who is even more bullshit with the cheats that I mention above but you seemingly are fine with this cause born not a nerd.>>268302861These threads are what get the most posts on /a/ nevermind the point about Bastard and no one watching it
>>268302719MTfags really are mentally ill
>>268303191I don't care about MT, faggot. I told you fuckers to shut up about that stupid show. I only bring it up to highlight your own hypocrisy.And you haven't proved me wrong.
>>268303084Batman left his home at 18 and went around the world learning every martial art, forensics and developed photographic memory to become peak human. He did this for 7 years and allowed himself the time to do this by relying on REM sleep only meaning he'd sleep for 4 hours every day. He busted his ass in all that time to become Batman. He learned from the best to become the best. Even then, he was still fucking up here in his early years as Batman.
>>268303084>You are basically saying that he is cursed from birth and no matter what he does he will always be cursedI never said any of that shit. The dude has good genes since his parents look like pic related. The problem is his mindset. The guy's a fucking nerd who refuses to work out and get fit. That's the issue here. I don't know why you assume I'm saying he's cursed and deserves to die.
>>268303580And all paid for by rich family money and being born with the right genetics and the right family and plot armor bullshit such that gods can't do anything to him. But sure do go on and tell me he grind really hard. Nevermind that he is so important that there are batgods that destroy universes. You're just saying cope to me. Face it. Batman is using cheats. Thats fine with me. I'm just saying this to show your own hypocrisy
>>268303337You are talking to different anons, moron.
>>268303715Cause that's what you're saying dimwit. He deserves to suffer endless pain cause born a nerd that got cheats and I don't like this but if you're born a Chad and have cheats like batman, that's fine.
