>(sfw) twitter manga about a -mostly- faceless MC trying to fix/help his gyaru bitchy stepsister who became some assholes cumdump, hinting at a wholesome ending with FMC abandoning sluttery>mangaka starts posting in fanbox some pages showing the nsfw scenes that were only implied in the original manga, giving the whole setting a stronger NTR vibe than it already had>one of the 18+ pages includes MC raping his drunk and unconcious (post-chads-ganbang) sister, ruining entirely any possible wholesome route the story could have>mangaka goes into a panic and retcons the whole even into being more consensual and only FMC's wet dream>it works, manga gets serialized,>in the new version, faced creepy stalker MC takes a more active role and successfuly stops his sister from becoming a cumdump from the begining>still, each chapter ends with cliffhangers baiting at the fanbox pages occurring in next chapter (including the rape by MC), though for now that hadnt been the case>very recently, another fanbox page was posted continuing the cumdump sister storyline, though apparently its only a what if now>the mangaka is apparently a womanokay, lets forget that very last point, try to delete it from your minds, because this kind of thing has ocurred before with some male mangakas as well.What's your opinion about this, anons? Based move or not scrupuls at all? (assuming you have any being a mangaka)Would you do the same with your story?
>>269235342I'll never understand why these women don't just tag their work josei, instead of baiting men into reading their works
>>269235342well give the source, nigga
>>269235488You are such a retard.
>>269235342I wouldn't trust it.It's like the author of that "Dark Summoner" series. He's so clearly obsessed with NTR that I dropped the series, even though it's ostensibly vanilla. Every single fucking chapter had a joke that was essentially just "Haha, look, NTR! This character's getting cucked in a way that's literally straight out of a doujin (including sex while talking with a door partially open type nonsense), isn't that super hot, er, I mean funny!?!?!!!!????"I don't like NTR, I didn't want NTR constantly rubbed into my face, and so I dropped it. And, of course, the author's next work dropped all pretense and was nothing but NTR fantasy garbage.So, in short: This author clearly likes slutty girls getting fucked hard in semi or nonconsensual situations. And so I wouldn't read this, because they're just sanitising their actual desires, and as soon as they get a chance, as soon as the series is stable, those desires will creep in more and more.
>>269235416I told you to forget the mangaka was a woman anon!If you dont then the whole thread has no reason to exist.I mean, picrel is exactly the same case, and I think the author was a guy. For context,>apothecary chad MC buys a fucked-up dying elf slave and starts to fix her, literally>by the end any damage mental or physical has been 100% cured (I think she is even a virgin again) and sweet wholesome happy ending is obtained>Mangaka's fanbox has a whole doujin about the elf's past, showing how she was slaved, tortured, raped and mutilated>>269235488Google it anon, it should appear
>>269235342All mangaka and artists as a whole are roastie ntr lovers.It's like a disease that manifests as soon as you're good at drawing.Every none used woman series is just a cope they had to draw because of editors.
>gyaruIn what fucking world is that a gyaru? She looks like a scene slut. Does gyaru just mean nothing now?
>>269235342>the mangaka is apparently a womanThere's your problem lmao
>>269235732>>269235342uhhh you seem to know a lot about this anon. Could you give us some more examples and links so we know to avoid them?
>>269235416>>269235794>>269235883Grow up
>>269235342>NOOOO anime/manga doesn't have fan service anymore>NOOOOO not like thatdoes it exhaust you, being a victim all the time?
>>269235794What do you think would motivate that in the case the author herself is a woman?
>>269235954They want to be abused but still yearned for.Women are naturally sluts if not put down by Abrahamic religion.
>>269235930>documented with Azu too who got BTFO shilling NTR in her own fanbox>meanwhile the Sasha artist gets away with full blown NTR and can still pretend Sasha and the shota MC is canonYou lost btw.
>>269235886Not exactly the same but theres picrel.Regular manga is full vanilla for what i saw.But then the author goes wild on his a fanbox>FMC getting kinda-raped by her ex-lesbian friend>ex-lesbian getting fucked by guys and sucking dick>shota that gets shipped with ex-lesbian getting raped by some guysIt's degeneration at its max level. Its glorious.Also you have the examples >>269236046 said>>269235940Did I ever complained?I actually find this kind of thing amusing in a weird hypochritical way.>lets appeal to vanillafags that want to fix broken women on this side and appeal to the ntr-fags and degenerates on this other oneIts a genious move, but also one that will create a lot of critics and discussion.
>>269235732I don’t see the problem with this one.
>>269235342So did author really retcon this into a vanilla romcom now? Wasn't the mini-series already canon and it showed she actually suck off dicks but she felt the need to distance herself from that group of friends because certain life events inspire her to improve herself?
>>269236196No, the canon is that she was just an edgy teen but the brother let several men fuck and abuse her so he can then have a used sister to have sex with since he wants his women used by inherently men before he fucks them.
>>269236196Yeah, serialized version it's retconing everything apparently.The whole gangbang already didnt happened because MC appeared, got all creepy doxing and blackmailing the chad and left with his sister.>>269236190Yeah, but it's a bit hypocritical .It would make more sense if the hentai doujin appeared first and then the recovery wholesome manga. But both were posted parallely.
>>269236493
>>269236511MC is a channer?That explains a lot of things
>>269236493About the cliffhanger thing.Yeah, mangaka is a huge troll ending the chapter with this.
>>269236046That sasha is shit too. Can't believe anyone supports the femdom in the "vanilla" version
>>269236493Is the mc her brother or someone else? because the brother was the one that arranged the gangbang.
no point splitting hairs, it's all cuck shitwhy do you read this garbage?
>read sfw ntr>whine and cry about mangaka delivering nsfw ntr to the fansi see no problem here, save your shitty thread stealing me 60 secs of my lifetime, dont read this crap and that's it.
>>269235416>I'll never understand why these women don't just tag their work josei, instead of baiting men into reading their worksBecause josei is the smallest target demographic and it wouldn't get any readers and sales that way.Also this is basically just another slut apologism manga isn't it. It's all about that women want to be loved and yearned for, even though they're sluts and loose as hell and cucks their men left and right. Some kind of power fantasy or that their value is more than their purity. Basically self insert for women that nobody wants irl.
>>269235342>OP learns that adultery, infidelity and lying in general are cornerstones of Japanese culture
>Author pulled the same ntr cuckshit as the apothecary elf authorYeah not reading the serialized version. Hate backpedalling no backbone faggot authors
>>269236677>the brother was the one that arranged the gangbangMc is the brother and what you said didnt happen.At least I dont remember that happening on any of the current versions. As sister was already dumb enough to get into that stuff without the brother doing anything.But maybe you are onto somethingMc could be aware of the eventuality of her sister being fucked by the chads and interferred to save her from it, but could still let her make her own conclussions, and believe she was raped for real. And then he could take advantage of her mental vulnerability to get closer to her....One new thing it was introduced into the serialization was this otaku friend that tried to "give him advice" on how to get close to someone tsundere/bitchy as his sister using an eroge as example.So maybe "saving girl from rape" was on the list of flags to get closer to the girl on that eroge.
>>269235488NTA but thanks for the anchor postThe Day I Decided to Make My Cheeky Gyaru Sister Understand in My Own Way生意気なギャル姉を俺の方法で解らせることにした日
>>269235882Japanese have subtypes for everything.This kind of goth/punk girl count as a sub-type of gyaru or something.
>read the lewds>ntr men - lol lol lol so slutty lol lol lol lol lol pussy so good lol lol so nice lol lolKill this author.
vanillafags are mentally ill, unironically
>>269236493>It would make more sense if the hentai doujin appeared first and then the recovery wholesome manga. But both were posted parallely.I still don’t see the problem.>>269236895>same ntr cuckshit as the apothecary elf author???
>>269235342>>269235732As it turns out, people who make unhinged fucked up stories are unhinged fucked up people. Shocking.
>>269235342NTR fucking won.You can't beat the cock.
>>269235342why do zoomers read these dogshit webcomics?
>found out wholesome title has degenerate counterpart >author conclude/hiatus normal one and actively update nsfw part because gooner money keep comingi hate this practice, at least dozen title has gone this way
>>269238454what other examples there are anon?
>>269235342Yeah I was pretty appalled when finding out about the fanbox content. Apparently the mangaka did that before for her(?) other short web series, but not to that NTR extent
>>269235732>Giba claims he doesn't have the heart to show her getting mutilated>Still shows Lumirea getting a brutal beating in the stomach to induce a miscarriageA recent post suggests the entire process of making Ragged Elf fucked Giba up so bad that he'll probably never go back to it or draw anything related to it ever again, which is a shame because his current project is pretty much just !Reszurre and !Alan being goofy, horny dorks who fuck all the time. Her entire family is a big bunch of literally supernatural weirdos just for the hell of it
>>269235342Who cares? Read something else if it bothers you. That said you reminded me of a twitter manga about a guy living with his sorta clumsy girlfriend. They go on to reminisce about meeting in a restaurant. Then they made another manga about a kid losing his beloved sister after she's struck by a car. He slowly loses it as he grows up, swearing revenge on the people in the car. the final two chapters show him arriving to the restaurant in the other manga, recognizing the woman from the car from the tattoo on her neck. He interjects and introduces himself like he did in the other comic, then steps out, thrilled to know he's finally found the object of his hatred and revenge.
>>269240807source?
>(sfw) twitter manga about a -mostly- faceless MC trying to fix/help his gyaru bitchy stepsister You lost me before you ended the first sentence.>twitter 'manga'>NBRNope.jpg
>>269235954Money. The entire manga in OP down to the premise is bait to get people to buy the fanbox. Most Xitter manga are.
>>269236989nta, but do you mind spelling it out in romaji? I could swear I have it in my collection but the title is probably romaji
>>269241849(Me)nvm, I'm blind and saw only two results starting with 4 instead of three (It was the third one)It's Namaiki na Gal Ane o Ore no Houhou de Wakaraseru Koto ni Shita
Less ntr if vanilla folks threw more money at vanilla artists. (Main issue) Maybe passive aggressive ask on their posts why it’s always lazy boring settings and actions.
>>269237246*vanillacucks
Why is it always women who get corrupted but never men?
>>269243391Men have the cock.
Don't care, bro x sis is hot.>NTRThere has been an extremist movement over the last 10 years to call anything NTR if it has a girl who is dating someone other than the mc. This is because unintelligent people literally cannot read a story without putting themselves in the mc's shoes. NTR is, by definition, having a girl stolen from you once you've already started going out. If you're not dating it's not NTR, there is literally no room for argument.
>>269235342I remember this being posted before and people debated whether the “bitch” part in the translation was accurate or not and then people found the original panels and found out that basically the entire translation was ful of mistakes and really random errors that indicate incompetence at Japanese, nothing too unusual.Basically, it happens really often that when finding the original pages like half of the lines are wrong, but I mean wrong n a way that makes it clear what the translator misinterpreted and why that person has bad Japanese.>>269235416Because it's a Twitter thing and these “demographics” mostly exist outside of Japan, not inside of it.
>>269235342>What's your opinion about this, anons?It shows the classic template that many women fall into of going down the wrong path because they lack both agency as well as strong male influence in their lives.No I would not write such tripe.I find it difficult enough to write villains / bad things because it feels bad creating something (a character) only for it to suffer.>>269236046Azu's case was entirely different. She just drew one-off's of whatever fans requested.She was done dirty.
Why exactly is OP having a melty over some fringe as fuck manga that's clearly not made for him?
>>269243580What makes you assume the reaction is a melty?
It's not as if male demo web originals don't get way toned down when they get the LN/Manga serialized version.>>269243531Demographics are real and imprints the eschew those demographics in their marketing can only do so because they're real in the first place.
>>269237185accurate depiction of chad dialogue
>>269243791Doesn't change that for the vast majority of the time you read anything about any “demographic” outside of Japan it's A: not derived from any primary source and B: something that started outside of Japan.The idea that supposedly even the majority Japanese strip artist or magazine stamp some kind of demographic on their things can only be believed by people who never read such magazines in the original languages. Obviously they don't, because it's bad for business. Japanese labels rarely mention anything of the sort on their websites and certainly not in the magazines itself.
>>269243708The fact that he (you) are seriously arguing about shit no one should care this much about. Unless they're were having a melty of course.
>>269235342Why would she make it not related by blood? It's so fucking retarded, I want her to be a WHORE and to fuck everyone and have her brother either save her or just be a shoulder to lean on while she whores around
>>269235342This art style reeks of Korean.>>269235794Even the "vanilla missionary position" ones?>>269236042In cases like OP where the sister is broken, it's usually that way because of their own upbringing and experiences.>>269236805>>269240807/thread>>269243708It's the same logic as hating a genre so much you keep reading the entire story.
>>269235710>Dark SummonerWhat in the fuck are you on about. There's no NTR in Dark summoner. The Imp mentions it a few times, but only to dunk on it
>>269235342If you don't like where the story is developing, then maybe it's NOT FOR YOU, shit gibbon. Not everything needs to be for you.
>>269235342Yuudachi needs Solomon correction poi
>>269235732The only used goods traumatized rape victim manga that was ever done right was that one by zyugoya and thats mostly because there was barely any mention of the actual cause and it was all about fixing her
>read Twitter drama manga>act surprised when it's slop
>>269236585Isn't she still used goods in that version?
>>269240807Uh what? he hooked up with the driver who killed his sister?
>>269243478If you're a siscon, having your sister get taken away also fall under the NTR umbrella.
>>269246264I think he was trying to mess with her as a revenge.But Im not sure what happens afterwards.not gonna lie though, it was a fun contrast, because the damn author didn't even posted both mangas with the same name or as a clear sequel.so you could watch the one with MC dating the girl and think it was just a cute simple romcon.
>>269235342Trying to fix crazy is fine. What isnt is simping after a cumdump trying to save her, from herself. Female mangaka went too far into the sex fantasy of used goods aspect. I wouldnt read this for FREE. But I am a high test male on a Christian spectrum. Dumb sex drama stories like these with NTR, appeals more to women and losers. I think down playing the NTR can only benefit this type of long story. Once you pull the NTR card, you've lost the reader's trust; there are NO successful long term NTR stories for a reason. Fool a person once, and they'll resent you for life.
>>269235342>one of the 18+ pages includes MC raping his drunk and unconcious (post-chads-ganbang) sister, ruining entirely any possible wholesome route the story could havepost it
>>269235342Why would it ever matter? All art stands only for itself, which is to say that thinking in terms of canonicity or that sfw and nsfw versions can't exist side by side is a form of derangement.
>>269243391>Why is it always women who get corrupted but never men?But they do you fucking retard. Getting corrupted for men means accepting gay shit, accepting NTR. Strength for a man means strength of body and mind. Strength of mind to go to the gym even though it hurts and leaves you in pain. Strength of mind to go fight wars and die alone in cold muddy fox holes. NTR for a man is annologue to accepting what you dont like and going with "it" because you are too weak to fight back.
NTR for women = Not having control of their bodiesNTR for a man = Failing to control outcomesThat's as simple as I can make it.
>>269235710picked up
>>269248082>Strength of mind to go fight wars and die alone in cold muddy fox holesThat's the weakest shit a man can do lolYou aren't benefiting from that war, why the fuck are you wasting your life to be a tool for others?
>>269240196>>269235732Man Giba's only trauma was the fact that when he started his 18+ fanbox rape/torture scenario all of his attention dropped because people who like healing scenarios aren't interested in brutal rape and torture. It's really funny. He starts the healing elf bit in 2021, also starts his fanbox. ¥3k per month to see sketches and healed elf sex , does well for the first year. Starts doing the rape and torture in 2022 (or was it early 2023?) immediate plummet in interest, JP people are yelling at him on twitter, tries to defend himself, gets yelled at harder, fanbox bucks start disappearing, doesn't post on social media for a while. Switches gears and starts busty housewife manga, talks about the trauma of doing Elf and how it was really the paying fans who were interest in it not him.
>>269236159>>shota that gets shipped with ex-lesbian getting raped by some guysThere's no way that happens. Prove it, you won't.
>>269243391Because none of you go on yumejo or fujo twitter. Or translate that stuff for that matter
>>269243391Corruption for men is becoming gay and thus feminine.
If I could I'd draw porn of my characters even in scenarios that either happened off-screen or are straight up non-canon. I wouldn't pretend people don't masturbate to the stuff or like it affects me negatively.
>>269248626lol why are you so full of shit? It did so 'badly' he had people begging him to continue the prequel throughout the entire run and then he went and colorized the whole first half. The main story even got a pop up physical exhibit. Party still has the comments archived, the only people bitching are english speakers
>>269236837Do people actually pick manga based on the demographic? I just read the plot outline and if it sounds interesting I'll pick it up. I've read everything from kodomo shounen to josei.
>>269249395Because people want to self-insert and maybe even fail to realize what's real and what is not. 10-15 years ago /a/ was mostly "whatever, I just want to fap" but now everything is hyper sensitive.
>>269235342My opinion is that it sounds like complete trash and I'm not going to bother wasting any time on it at all.
>>269235342imaging caring about a twitter manga this much