After rereading the entire manga, and even reading the web novel, the most likely reason for their breakup was Aya's jealousy and Yuu's indecisiveness. He just couldn't move on from his first love, Hikari, but he also didn't let go of Aya. That makes sense for why they argued in the classroom. I think the conflict with Aya pushed his thoughts back to Hikari. He’s rethinking the big changes in her behavior and the time they spent together over summer break, which suggests that his feelings brought his feelings back full force. By chapter 21 Hikari was winning by a mile, and that kiss was a desperate move, kind of like what we saw at the station in chapter 25.This is further reinforced by the extra chapter we're getting Comitia 150 on November 17, in which we will see Aya grow increasingly jealous of Hikari after seeing her and Yuu act like a natural couple compared to their relationship that relied heavily on sex. Overall, I think Hikari is winning in the end. Trust the Plan.https://x.com/sa_ra_na_mi/status/1853747699092537643
Is this an accurate appraisal of the Japanese readership?
Chapter 10 of the WR is out. And it's brutal for Hikarihttps://xxddmm.neocities.org/saranami_010
>>272963068No.Can you seriously reconcile the idea that Japanese hate flashy hair colours with practically any anime ever? Anime invented flashy hair colours.
>>272963011>>272953324Stop spamming
>>272963091Holy shit lol
>>272963068The fact that you're reposting that spamming schizo's garbage says more about you.
>>272963164I really hope in the last four chapters for Aya's part, we get her confessing to Yuu in a family restaurant. Really complete the circle.
>>272963531Anyways, Yami mogs Hikari even when Hikari is dating Yuu...
>>272963759My little cuckquean can't be this cute!
>>272963011>last thread was shit and died>remake with same baitpostsSee you when there's some genuine discussion again.
>>272963091>>272963531>>272963759Was there ever a reason why Hikari is like this? When she was younger she was really assertive towards Yuu, why the fuck is she acting like she barely knows the guy?
>>272964553Sudden attraction is making her drop all her spaghetti.
>>272964883Yeah, but I’m thinking how Yami doesn’t drop her spaghetti and they got together after a one-night stand. This should be Hikari’s win.
>>272965056>Yami doesn’t drop her spaghetti and they got together after a one-night standBut Yami does drop her spaghetti, just not in an autistic way, but in a jealous stacy way.
>>272965056I think Yami didn't have the preexisting friendship to worry about preserving, and might never meet him again if she didn't go for it. Plus he was basically the only good thing in her life at that point.
>>272965056Are we just going to ignore that Yami is incredibly insecure about the relationship, to the point she constantly offers sex as a way to win Yuu?
From Yuu's POV, do you think he gets emotional fulfillment from being loved and needed by Yami versus Hikari's (former, romantic) indifference, or is he mostly staying because she'll hurt herself if he leaves her, and he doesn't want that on his conscience?In other words, once the rest of Yami's life and emotional health got better, would he consider breaking up with her? That could be one of the possible breakup scenarios. I guess we'll find out.
>>272966371Why would he break up with her? She’s the only reason why he hasn’t gone back to being a simp.
>>272966371On that note, it's funny how the female narrative POVs have made me neglect to really ponder the dude's perspective on the triangle until now. It makes me wonder if other shipping wars are like this too, although Yuu's thoughts are being kept deliberately ambiguous for suspense here, maybe moreso than in other series.>>272966785Maybe he's still simping internally, is what I'm saying.
>>272966994>It makes me wonder if other shipping wars are like this too, although Yuu's thoughts are being kept deliberately ambiguous for suspense here, maybe moreso than in other series.The other funny thing is he's outright screwing one of the girls, and we STILL don't know what he really thinks. Maybe it's only meaningful to compare ships with other series where that happens.
Maruto will never let the childhood friend when. What's left to discuss?
>>272967336Has this happened more than once with him, or are people just salty about Saekano and Saekano alone?
>>272967787Saekano, and I think the CF betrayed the MC
>>272967787He literally only has 3 stories, White Album 2, Saekano, and this one.There is no actual basis on his preferences.Sure, two dots make a line, but this could be a square, we need more stories from him.
>>272968053He also has Damekoi, Engage Kiss, Miru Tights (FWIW), and that one all-office-lady manga, but I haven't heard if those have any childhood friends.
>>272966371>From Yuu's POV, do you think he gets emotional fulfillment from being loved and needed by Yami versus Hikari's (former, romantic) indifferenceI think he gets the best of both worlds. He gets the love and attention, from Yami and he gets to be friends with Hikari, something he was always afraid of losing.
>>272968515Wouldn’t that mean Yuu is emotionally cheating on yami with Hikari
>>272967644Is this true? Holy shit no wonder he was such a shy and introverted kid.
>>272969387Yeah, chapter 11 is out
>>272968515You reminded me of a previous thought I had, that Yuu might've matured because he gained the experience of being relied on, instead of always feeling like the one relying. Maybe it made him feel less inadequate about himself as he was, or took his mind off himself when someone else needed his attention. For the latter, I think the piece we would need is signs of him trying to do more for Yami on his own initiative.
>>272967787>are people just salty about Saekano and Saekano alone?How could anybody be salty over best girl winning?
>>272964553Because this was written to bait people so she's literally a character from a different genre.
>>272969601That’s rough
>>272969857Maybe it’s a combination of all of them? Dude felt inferior and inadequate due to Hikari mogging him, maybe saving and fixing Yami was all he need to realize how wrong he was thinking that? Unless of course, the entire relationship is extremely toxic and codependent.
>>272969387>>272969601>literally gained height, had sex and got a cluemaruto wrote this based off old /asp/ memes confirmed
>>272971207He became a chad and we love him for it.
>>272969601So, will we ever know if Yami was in utter and complete denial that Hikari was the girl Yuu was talking about, or did she truly believe Yuu and Ta-Kun were different
>>272972649>the text messages cuts off just as Aya realizes the truth. Wonder if she was being frantic
>>272972649i bet the latter to set up a scene contrasting the image of him they have in their heads
>>272973156>scene contrasting the image of him they have in their headsDamn the contrast must be damming. Yuu is a "dense" idiot who can't pick up obvious signs of flirting when it comes to Hikari but a loving and understanding boyfriend to Aya that understands her subtle and nuance emotions.
>>272972649Upcoming flashbacks should answer a lot.One possibility is a different girl became Aya's prime suspect for La Amiga de la Infancia before she met Hikari, throwing her off the trail. It would be kinda silly, but I'm not sure how many good ways there are to explain Aya never at least suspecting Hikari.
>>272973896Would explain it, another that she always suspected it, but because Hikari was so friendly and kind that she couldn’t bring herself to hate her like in chapter 26.
Hikari is so possessive bros.
>>272973156>>272973893Maybe the biggest contrast is Hikari being head-over-heels for Ta-kun, whereas Yuu's CF wasn't into him at all. Maybe Aya thought helping her friend fulfill her CF crush was a way of paying karma back for messing with Yuu's crush on his CF.Man, that is some Todokanai Koi shit, and I might not dislike it.
>>272974870Also no wonder Hikari never saw him as a man
>>272973893exactly, filtered through hikari's perspective and then filtered again through what she's not too embarrassed to talk about, they'd probably seem like totally different people.
>>272973893>>272975916I thought that was obvious since whenever Hikari describes Yuu to her friends, she makes him out to be the common romcom protagonist. To the point, Aya called him a idiot. I assume if Yami had to describe Yuu to Hikari, Hikari might not have recognized Aya’s BF as her CF.
>>272974870>This is something only the two of us can do... our own little date, with memories that are just ours.RIP Aya. Nice boat ending confirm
>>272977380>wow, this childhood memory is kinda mid without nostalgia gogglesOh no no
>>272977975>Aya and Yuu have better memories together than Hikari and Yuu
>>272975916Would explain why Aya never picked up on Hikari being the girl Yuu likes.
>>272968515>and he gets to be friends with Hikari, something he was always afraid of losingI wonder if it's right to look at his feelings for Hikari from that angle. Option A is that he liked her romantically and wanted to be more than friends, which seems obvious at a glance. Yami instantly concluded this, and Yuu quickly stopped denying it. Option B is that he was just afraid of being left behind completely, and didn't necessarily want/need a romance with her. I feel like B would be more of a cope or self-gaslight to rationalize away his old feelings, which doesn't seem healthy.
>>272963011>Hikarikeks are so fucking desperate they make fictional claims on /a/ and on mangadex
>>272963011The girl referenced in the title will always win.
>>272978737>I wonder if it's right to look at his feelings for Hikari from that angle.No, but we both know that Hikari is also extremely afraid of losing her friendship with Yuu if she comes on too strong. I'm also assuming that Yuu knows if his feelings for her, if he has feelings for her, are revealed, it would be too awkward for them to be friends. >Option A is that he liked her romantically and wanted to be more than friends, which seems obvious at a glance. Yami instantly concluded this, and Yuu quickly stopped denying it. >Option B is that he was just afraid of being left behind completely, and didn't necessarily want/need a romance with her. I feel like B would be more of a cope or self-gaslight to rationalize away his old feelings, which doesn't seem healthy.It's a mixture of both A and B and let's not delude ourselves thinking otherwise. Yuu was depressed and sad that he could not make it to Hikari/Yami's school for being smooth brain, Aya managed to peg him down extremely quickly he was doing everything for a girl in the family restaurant, and Yuu even told his guy friends he was going to go to Hikari's school and even Hikari notices him study 6 months before graduation. Him failing to go to the school, meeting Aya, having sex with Aya and starting a relationship with Aya force him to self-gaslight himself into rationalizing his love for Hikari into friendship, something that only he himself buys because Aya recognizes that Hikari, or his childhood friend since Aya doesn't know her name yet, is looming over their relationship and it's making her extremely insecure despite Yuu giving his 100%.
>>272978802OP just likes to fish up old posts as bait. >>272800969>>272978966Akame ga Kill.
>>272979127>OP just likes to fish up old postsI was talking about the recent mangadex comments. People still believe Hikari has a chance to win. I just assume the OP was one of them.
Maruto, I kneel.
>>272979200He’s right though. Hikari is Yui’s true love and Yami is just a homewrecker
>>272979103I don't think there's evidence yet that Yuu is denying his past feelings that way. When he told Hikari about his inferiority complex, it was a partial-truth cover story to handle the situation without further weirding out their friendship or confessing an old crush when he now had a different girlfriend.
>>272979759>I don't think there's evidence yet that Yuu is denying his past feelings that way.I'm just assuming that's what he said to calm Yami down due to chapter 26. I'm going out on a limb and saying that he still loves Hikari to Yami wouldn't be all that beneficial to their relationship.
>>272979127Okay, fine, >The girl referenced in the title will always win in romcoms
>>272979200How right is he? Are Yamibros overconfident in their victory?
>>272973893>and understanding boyfriend to Aya that understands her subtle and nuance emotions.What fanfic is this? A girl he already fucked who is the one who keeps initiating things and cried her eyes out the second time they met? Her "nuanced" emotions? She isn't being subtle about anything.
>>272979915Yeah, he's being diplomatic there, and Yami appreciates it in the novel.Interestingly, the novel reads like she brings it up more teasingly, whereas her question looks a lot more serious in the manga. Gives a different impression of her insecurity level.
>>272980665He detected that her initial sexual advances were venting her grief on the world, rather than genuine attraction or playfulness.
>>272980830Yeah, after she started complaning about hypotetical person that's totally not her and started sobbing near the end. Very subtle emotions.
>>272980851He detected it BEFORE she explained. Retard.
>>272980888He didn't. The fact that he couldn't get hard before was probably because he was too stuck on his feelings for Hikari at that point to pop a boner for another woman, he could only do it after she opened up and went after him for real.
>>272980942You're arguing against his own specific words on what was making him uncomfortable, and substituting pure headcanon.
>>272980666the wn makes it sound like it's both, which feels authentic
>>272981138Yeah. A manga equivalent would have her ask with a smile, then have a panel with just her gentle eye(s) after he answers gracefully.
>>272979915>>272980666Testing someone in a relationship is a sign of controlling and abusive behavior…. This doesn’t really bode well for Aya, or the overall state of their relationship if they can’t trust one another.
>>272963011Kaichou will avenge Hikari
>>272980666Could be that Aya ask teasingly, but subconsciously knew it was a serious question. Not many women want to hear their boyfriend talk about, or think about other women while with them.
>>272982435Plausible. This reminds me that over a decade a ago, I was dating this girl who was way too fucking jealous about my first time (my cousin, we only did it out of curiosity though) for no fucking reason and she kept asking these teasing questions out of nowhere. One year I was visiting family for Christmas and when I came back the bitch had a meltdown over me going on this trip. Women are just fucking insane.
>>272972649>we will get a chapter of Yami and Yuu at the same park with Yami confessing to Yuu at the merry-go-roundI actually can’t read that chapter if it actually happens because that would mean Hikari lost the war before it even began.
>>272982435not subconsciously, it's more like she blurted it out because she was happy enough to speak without thinking>これまでの……って言ったって、まぁまだ短い人生の中ではあるけど、それでも一番、浮かれてるんだ。>「そんなに、あのコと一緒に通いたかった？」>だから、勢いあまって、こんな地雷までも踏みぬいてしまうthat's why yu giving a careful answer that doesn't kill the mood is an important little moment for them (and the reader)
I will avenge Hikari by plunging my cock deep inside Yami and filling her womb with my cum
>>272983082Calm down, Yuu, that's not the revenge Hikari actually wants.
>>272983022Too much unreliable narrators. I hope Yuu is more honest and straightforward
>>272980666Cute but it’s barely readable
>>272983903Luckily the real TL seems to be catching up at a decent clip. I should check it out sometime. The bits people have posted seem basically similar to the gist of my MTL run, but I'm sure there are details that'll come out clearer.>>272963091Thanks for the link btw
>>272984485Yeah, with a once-a-day chapter, it's gonna catch up before the next two chapters.But it also seems to have sped up, chapter 12 is out now.With best girl Seki and hardcoping Hikari.
>>272984578>With best girl Seki and hardcoping Hikari.Hikari really becomes jealous whenever another woman that isn't her talks to Yuu. Really makes me worried about Aya and what she would do to her.
Hikari even admits to being a jealous, overprotective side girl
Seki and Hikari are literally the same...
>>272984837So is this saying that Seki and Hikari are similar? >>272984937Cute how Hikari is willing to go full-blown delinquent to protect Yuu and just depressing she couldn’t put two and two together when it came to Yuu crush on her. Still can’t believe she can’t see it. And sad she never made him homemade chocolates. Wonder if Yami did. >>272985067>>272985095Yuu had to deal with this dense idiot as children.
>>272984837>And since she is calling him senpai, she is probably a first-yearSo that confirms that Yuu is a second-year? That means it's been more than a year since he met Yami (because he was only entering HS back then). That leaves a question of how long they were dating, but most likely they broke up around this chapter, so more than a year as well.
>>272986534I was going to say something but I realized you're probably just baiting replies. Here, have your (You)
>>272986576I am not, I just never saw any confirmations they were second years. Or maybe I just missed those.
>>272986651They are second-years. The first flashback chapter, where Aya met Yuu on the day he took the high school entrance exams, was titled "It happened a year and a half ago".
>>272986980Damn, I actually never connected the dots.
>>272987060And yes, it means they were potentially dating for over a year, unless they broke up earlier than we think for reasons not yet revealed.
>>272987110I'm praying for that. Would make the story less predictable. Chapter 18 could be Ayami contacting him for the first time after they broke up.
>>272987165Less of a Yami lock-in, but less spicy than everything overlapping. There also wouldn't be a real need for her to make contact again if they broke up longer ago.
>>272967787How is Saekano? Does it stand up to WA2? I spoiled myself on a few things in it, and while the premise seemed really good, I was really impressed with the depth of the emotions in a few scenes I liked.And, given how the MC seemed like your typical bland, niceguy self insert character I was surprised and impressed both that him acting like that worked against him and was why Eriri was 'forced' to betray him. And, despite being your typical niceguy, he wasn't an all-forgiving doormat. He legitimately did hold a grudge against Eriri's first betrayal, and when she betrayed him a second time it completely closed the door on any romance. They would stay friends, but there would always be a distance.I'm not sure how true those things really are, since I looked into it and wound up just watching a few disconnected scenes on YouTube, but it seemed alright at a minimum. Everyone did seem to cry a lot though.
>>272972649We need her PoV of this event. It's almost certainly coming, of all the flashback events, that's the one that's practically guaranteed.
>>272975541Why didn't she confess, she really has no excuse. She's such a fool lol
>>272987488>How is Saekano? Does it stand up to WA2?No, but they are different genres. Well, at least in terms of the cast you're right, Saekano is much weaker. They are still nice but Tomoya isn't even 25% as interesting as Haruki, and Megumi can't hold a candle to Setsuna or Kazusa.
Wait, I just realized...Seki and Yuu had a date, she says so on chapter 12 and Yuu confirms.Seki is a first-year, so she only entered his school this year, one year after Yuu and Yami got together.Did they break up before the story?Is Yuu cheating on Yami?Or is he actually a dense mfing protagonist that got tricked into going on a date with Seki?
>>272981794It's a bad habit, but she recognises it's not fair to do and she's at the point where she's trying to get better, and trying to get out of her self-destructive ways.The biggest thing I got from that chapter (that I liked) was that Yuu's cock didn't instantly heal her as you'd often see, it just started the process. Their relationship was a big part of it, but she had to go on the journey. Remember this is a girl who was so self destructive she was gonna sell her virginity to an old man for no reason, just out of anger and spite. And then the same to him only to try drag him down with her.So, yes. Her giving him a shittest is bad, but it's like how Hikari recognises when she's being petty and mean, Aya realises she's being unfair and she's trying to change.
>>272987649It is possible he got tricked, kinda like Hikari tricked him.
>>272984837>>272984937>>272985067>>272985095Damn, he's actually a bit indecisive and useless here. He was way more forthright with her in the manga, and he clarified he didn't realise it was a date.I got the impression she'd just hung out with him and gotten a lot of big ideas from it (like Hikari), but here it seems like Hikari at least things he went on a real date with and now he's just weakly ghosted her instead of giving her a reply. Pretty weak stuff, honestly. We've all been there, I know I've done worse, but still.
>>272987816>Yami asks Yuu how his day went>He goes and complains about how this cute kouhai asked for his help, super urgent but not actually>The help being choosing which clothes fit her best, what was the best restaurant in town, and the cheapest hotel
Quick bump while I finish writing a post.
>>272989685The end of novel chapter 1's TL looks a bit off to me:>But, oh well...>Earlier, I said no one's confessed to me.>That means there's still hope, right?>So, I guess that's good enough for today.In moon, its:>あ、でも……>さっき、誰にも、告られてない、って言ってた。>まだ望みはあるって、教えてくれていた。>今日は、まぁ、それだけで、いっか。>Ah, demo...>Saki, dare ni mo, tsugeraretenai, tte itteta.>Mada nozomi wa arutte, oshiete kureteita.>Kyou wa, maa, sore dake de, ikka.In line 3, "oshiete kureteita" means "he was telling me". That means line 2 was also referring to Ta-kun saying no one's confessed to him, not Hikari saying no one's confessed to HER. So the meaning should be more like:>Oh, but...>Earlier, he said nobody had confessed to him so far.>He was telling me, there's still hope.>So for today, well, I guess that's good enough.Disclaimer: I am no real translator, just someone who got partway through Tae Kim's essential grammar.
>>272990523Oshieru is to teach, and kureru is to give (used from the receiver's POV when talking about the giver's action). So the wording is specifically that he's telling her the info.
>reading chapter 4Imagine if, instead of Hikari, it had been Hikari's mom who glimpsed Ta-kun masturbating while moving Hikari's stuff over.
>>272987110Hikari could still win.
>>272987583She’s scared of losing him, which is why she’s so cowardly to begin with.
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where are the scans?
>>272996063We have Chinese scanslations, but no Japanese raw yet.https://www.saraba1st.com/2b/thread-2194890-5-1.html
>>272986980>Aya stopped going to school before meeting Yuu.>Suddenly she is Hikari's best friend.Something happened, didn't it? Something that made her attach to Hikari, become part of her clique and actually become involved with class activities.What did Hikari done for her?
>>272996404Didn't treat her like a fuck-up who's repeating a year. That's probably enough.
>>272996404Her relationship with Yuu got her to go back to school, then she was placed in the same class as Hikari and they got together.Hope to see this step in the next chapter.Just 1 more week.
>>272996481It’s over
>>272996534I have to admit the speculah in these daily threads are building up some dangerously elaborate expectations in my head for a ~10-page two-weekly manga. Each chapter is such a tiny, if tasty, morsel. I get too conscious of the timeskips between chapters and can't tell if the pacing is too fast or too slow.
>>272994644Yuu threw this away.
>>272987847>Damn, he's actually a bit indecisive and useless here.You forgetting that she showed up at his house unannounced and stalked him? Any man would be surprised by that
>>272990150>So the meaning should be more like:>>Oh, but...>>Earlier, he said nobody had confessed to him so far.>>He was telling me, there's still hope.>>So for today, well, I guess that's good enough.How many times does Yuu like to Hikari's face? Boy ain't honest.
>>272985067Interesting that he uses the someone I like, when in chapter one, he said he would never use that line ever.
>>273001360Yup, busted. Maybe if he started lying to Yami too, it could explain if they broke up earlier.
>>273001360>>273001801You guys are overthinking things. What was Yuu suppose to say to Hikari when she brought up his school life and if girls confess to him unprompted?
>>272996224Thanks, any chance of getting an English translation soon?
>>273002917Dunno, but running it through Google Translate on your phone gives you the gist of it.
She should have won. She saw all the good points in Yuu...
>>273004605She never saw his dick.
>>272984937>My YuuIt’s over for Yami. They quite literally have to fight for Yuu now.
>>273004802Didn’t she see him masturbate?
>>273005761His back was facing the window, so she only saw his butt wiggling.
>>273005812She saw more than his butt if they didn't speak for a week
>>273004605It's not over yet, we still have at least a whole year's worth of chapters before this reaches an ending.
>>273006005The mere mutual knowledge was embarrassing enough.
>>273006162She should have offered a hand
>>273006143Unless she blackmails Yuu or kills Aya, I doubt Hikari can win
How long until after chapter 13 is translated
>>273007313tomorrow, I guess
>>273007479Was really hoping it would have been translated today. Wanted to know how chapter 13 is in the WN
>>273007679>Wanted to know how chapter 13 is in the WNI wonder how jealous Hikari really is in that chapter
>>273002188Not lie about it?
>>272987710>The biggest thing I got from that chapter (that I liked) was that Yuu's cock didn't instantly heal her as you'd often see, it just started the process.That much was a given. Her entire life collapse under her in a year, meeting Yuu was literally her only bright spot in that darkness. I'm more shocked she isn't more of a landmine girl given the circumstances she's in.>Their relationship was a big part of it, but she had to go on the journey. Remember this is a girl who was so self destructive she was gonna sell her virginity to an old man for no reason, just out of anger and spite. And then the same to him only to try drag him down with her.I know she's trying to be better, but she's still skipping school out of fear meeting a girl she doesn't know, and is, for the most part, anti-social given that Yuu seems to be the only person she has any positive(?) relationship with. How much did she really improve with Yuu, or did she become increasingly dependent on him.>So, yes. Her giving him a shittest is bad, but it's like how Hikari recognises when she's being petty and mean, Aya realises she's being unfair and she's trying to change.I want chapter 27 out already because I have a sneaking suspicion that Aya will give shittest whenever she's doubting despite all her attempts for self-improvement. Maybe until she meets Hikari that she finally improves and becomes the main catalyst as to why she broke up with Yuu so he could date Hikari.
>>273010817You’re overthinking something that’s basically WA2 but in highschool
>>272963011>his is further reinforced by the extra chapter we're getting Comitia 150 on November 17Might be the only thing I hate about this series. Why can't they release digital copies already?
>>272985095Now I understand why this got so much hate. Author really bait and switch his audience with this type of chapters. Cant tell if I should respect him, or worry he might get axed for it.
>>273011993Two different series that have nothing to do with each other, except for the love triangle
>>273013517Axed, like literally by a crazed fan? Because this is a self-published work with no editoral supervision
>>273013742>Axed, like literally by a crazed fan?Meant more of a cancellation, though given how fans feel about being jerked around or ntr in their vanilla romance that's a possibility.>Because this is a self-published work with no editoral supervisionOh, more power to him, I thought this was a published work.
Why do Japanese readers like broken black hair girls over Genki childhood friends.
>>273014611They’re better. Also Hikari is too much of a stacy to handle
>>273014611>teasing and casual in a fun way>alluring and seductive>but also vulnerable, protective instincts kick in>SLEEVESWhat's there not to like? And that's even before the most recent chapter dropped and showed how sweet she can be with her beloved man.
>>273015585Wouldn’t you want a GF that’s been your childhood friend since forever? Plus, Hikari has no emotional hangups or trust issues. Just pure bliss
>>273015974>Hikari has no emotional hangups or trust issuesIt's almost like we were reading different stories.
>>273016202What emotional hang ups or trust issues does Hikari have.
>>273016257Girls without trust issues don't spy on their childhood friends and don't get bitchy every time they are concerned about something regarding said childhood friend.
>>273016343>Girls without trust issues don't spy on their childhood friendsShe's just checking on him and making sure there's no bad influences around him, or worse, women trying to manipulate him like Seki. Frankly, I'm appalled and ashamed that you think that's bad. She worries about him.>don't get bitchy every time they are concerned about something regarding said childhood friend.Can you blame her? They used to be so open and honest with each other when they were kids, and now Yuu is closed off and lying to her. Of course she would act that way. They had a special bond and now it's gone.
>>272968378damekoi has an ex-wife, but she isn't the main heroine/true route or a childhood friend engage kiss doesn't have a childhood friend, but does have an ex-girlfriend character
>>273016727>and making sure there's no bad influences around him, or worse, women trying to manipulate him like SekiTextbook definition of trust issues.>Can you blame her?Yes. Getting bitchy isn't gonna solve anything, and it's just a shitty move for both.I don't dislike Hikari but come on, she obviously has a lot of flaws.
>>273009853I guess if he just thinks it's casual platonic teasing from her, then taking the bait would just be blood in the water attracting more teasing. Sort of like how Hikari now has to constantly update her friends on her love life. Having a not-so-old crush doing that for him might still be too soon for him.>>273010817>How much did she really improve with Yuu, or did she become increasingly dependent on him.I think NOT trying to fix her life would be a sign of dependence, whereas getting motivated enough to try again is a big positive sign.
>>273014611I can fix her
>>273017220>I think NOT trying to fix her life would be a sign of dependence, whereas getting motivated enough to try again is a big positive sign.I mean it’s good that she’s trying again, but are we just going to ignore that she’s been skipping school and only goes outside to be with Yuu? I don’t know, maybe we wait until the next chapter, but it feels like the time they were together so far, Yami has been dependent on him. Hopefully that changes.
>>273016973>Textbook definition of trust issues.If being caring and worried about someone's safety is having trust issues, then I don't know what to say. >Yes. Getting bitchy isn't gonna solve anything, and it's just a shitty move for both.Yet it shows how hurt she is and how much she cares about Yuu. She can't help it if she gets hurt. While it might be a >I don't dislike Hikari but come on, she obviously has a lot of flaws.Her only flaws are that she cares and loves Yuu too much to let him slip away.
>>273017338Being caring and worried is one thing, spying and getting bitchy about him talking with other girls is a completely different thing which doesn't have anything with caring.>Yet it shows how hurt she isIt does.>and how much she cares about Yuu.Does it?
>>273017334I think it was a reasonable recharge period. The chapter exists to show her decision to get better.
>>273017467Hopefully. I dread to read the chapters where she regresses
>>273017388>spying and getting bitchy about him talking with other girls is a completely different thing which doesn't have anything with caring.She was getting bitchy because Seki was trying to manipulate Yuu by crying so he would go out with her. Any reasonable woman would have felt the same if they saw their crush be manipulated in front of them.>Does it?Yes. Her feelings are genuine. That much you cannot deny.
>>273015585>alluring and seductive>What's there not to like?Any woman with a hair shorter than their chin is a "no" from me. Go look like a man elsewhere.
>>273017656More for me!
>Yami will never wake Yuu up for school
>>273018354Cute dork
>Hikari will never wake Yuu up for school
>>273018466>Had many chances to grab the guy but failsShe should be studied.
>>273018466Honestly, reading the third chapter is so depressing. Hikari has no self-esteem or confidence
>>273018736Maybe she should have treated him better when they were kids if she didn’t want to have such a complex about it.
>>273018736She is going to be a total wreck after getting her heart broken, she is totally going to get taken advantaged by another dude...
Is this like a dark comedy or something?It feels like that Too Many Losing Heroines anime that just aired, being quite meta about the genre and trying to subvert certain tropes, however it comes off as too mean spirited to really be as funny as that other show, so I guess its going to a more tragic but funny approach?Like with the childhood friend thinking that she is making progress with her romance like in other romcoms, but instead basically just being delusional and the friend who leads her along? Its almost the same set up, but the tone feel different here.I guess its funny in a pathetic way, but after she finds out it will just be awkward, looking forward to see how the author makes it funny.
>>272963011This manga isn't that deep the guy fucked some girl he used to have a fling with big whoop
>>273020510It's not meant to be funny and it's not really funny. The author used light hearted first chapters to create a stronger contrast when the drama started but I wouldn't say it's mean spirited. It does play with the reader's (and FMC's) expectations but that was not the main purpose.None of the characters meant to hurt each other or lied on purpose. Just being evasive here and not telling everything there.
>>273020510>Is this like a dark comedy or something?It was a romcom until the twist, now its drama.>Like with the childhood friend thinking that she is making progress with her romance like in other romcoms, but instead basically just being delusional and the friend who leads her along?FMC's best friend lead her along by helping her and giving her advice before betraying her when she's about to confess. The FMC's childhood is a mystery since its heavily implied he was in love with the FMC, but he was corrupted by the best friend a year before the story started.
>>273020748FMC's best friend won the boy before even meeting the FMC, and never realized she was helping FMC go after the same boy until very recently.
>>273020510I dunno, I also find this to be way more mean spirited than Makeine ever was, although I think making Makeine a harem too was a terrible choice but for now it doesn't matter.
>>273020970FMC's best friend should have told the truth once she realized who the FMC was crushing on. Instead, she lied, beguiled, and even pretended everything was okay because she was too cowardly to face the consequences of her actions.
>>273021183>she liedWhere?
>>273021239When she realizes who the FMC was crushing on. She could have told her and save her the heartache. Instead, she kept quiet about it and continued to support her.
>>273021369So what was the lie?
>>273021369I her retarded mind giving up on the guy would've worked perfectly. Just like her life!
>>273021183She tried to give the guy back to FMC, from what we can tell. You can say it's not a good move, but you don't get to repeatedly insinuate that she did the opposite.
>>273021394lying by omission
>>273021394The lie was not telling her the truth when she found out.>>273021402>>273021459The moment she found out, she should have been a good friend and told Hikari the truth. Instead, she kept quiet, continued to support her, and force her BF to date the FMC, just so the FMC fantasy can come true.
>>273021821>>273021868Were you lying to your parents when you never told them you masturbate to anime girls daily?
>>273021881No, because they never asked.
>>273022045So Yami never lied to Hikari either, got it.
>>273022099Anon....
>>273022175Yes?
>>273022175The anon you're debating with doesn't seem aware the omitting information is a form of deception and can be considered a lie. Just drop the argument because you're not gonna change their mind too.
>>273022175I don’t think I’ve ever see a woman looking forward to being cucked in any shoe or form.
I’m surprised that a manga with only 24 chapters, usually 3-8 pages long, is able to have this many schizos.
>>273020510>Is this like a dark comedy or something?I'm laughing every chapter
>>273022175Where's the lie?
>>273021007Basori will win!
>>273024051All me.
>>273021007I found Makeine to be very mean spirited, all the girls start out by losing their respective bowls with MC often making meta comments on how they were designated losers and then they're put on a new bowl where most of them will lose again regardless of whether they change their loser ways or not, it's just rubbing salt in the wound
Where can I read the WN? How much more characterization is there in the WN than in the manga?
>>273024399>Where can I read the WN?raw or tl?
>>273024399you can read most of the WN with images that have been posted, a link is here too >>272963091
>>273024437tl>>273024440Ok, thanks!
>>273022413obfuscation isn't actually a lie, caveat emptor
>>273024395That's what I meant by mentioning the harem part. It could be worse though, at least the author was stopping at implying certain things instead of hitting the reader with the scenes of Sosuke and Karen (or any of the other winners) shagging
>>273018736this would seem to contradict various anons' belief that she goes straight home to yuu's house and hangs out in his room every night until supper
>>273024829But she does, that's what they both say on chapter 1.How does the comment or excerpt contradict that?
>>273024829That's what she (and Ta-kun) says she does in ch.1, though. What part of the screenshot contradicts that?
How many Hikari supporters are still in these threads?
>>273025424At least 5, from last poll.
>>273025485I didn’t participate in that poll, but I do support her. So make that 6.
>>273013531And being written by the same author who has this certain archetype (昔の女属性) that has appeared in every major work he has written since he introduced it 20 years ago. Who could have predicted that it (Aya) would show up. >>272987488Yes but it's less refined than WA2. Saekano being a LN series has a certain "see what sticks" approach that starts to occur after the well from the great starting premise runs dry. There are a couple of moments of genius that happen after the first couple of novels, but it's hard to unanimously recommend a full read-through unless you adore his writing style. It's one of the few "meta"series that doesn't just rely on breaking the fourth wall. Would make for great video essay bait.>>272967336I'm very bullish on Hikari's inevitable win. In Saekano terms: Utahafags got fucked just as hard the Spencerbros. Aya is an Utaha while i see Hikari (despite being a childhood friend) as more of a Megumi than an Utaha. Main heroines have a great track record in his (not rushed) finished works.
Should I play WA2?
>>273026257Watch the anime. If you liked what you saw or are curious then go read the novel.
>>273026135>昔の女属性>3 google results, one of them this threadDoubtAnyway, isn't that basically "old flame"?
>>273026257WA2 is fantastic, but may not be for everyone. It's very long and pretty depressing. As the other anon said, watch the anime first, then decide.
>>273027558yeah, it's not in my dictionary at all. if you're going to look at it literally it's something like "long ago type of woman". the paucity of your google search would seem to indicate that it's not a cliche in japanese, 昔の恋人 is way more common
>>273025172first selection covers everything up to starting high school second is yuu using a running joke they have. they haven't seen each other very much since starting high school. yuu doesn't even have free time to see the chick he's fucking
>>273027558Whe can twist about what to call it but that it exists in his works should be clear. Pretty sure Utaha uses the term a couple of times and she's written with the archetype in mind. Otherwise i'm coining it right here. I've also seen it mentioned in context of how Ayano fits the archetype in Engage Kiss. Old flame / motokano / Mukashi no onna, it's all the same.Anyway the type i'm reffering to is as follows1. character has had a romantic relationship with the MC2. for some reason this relationship didn't work out (This is where you squeeze out all the character drama3. Female character still has lingering feelings for the MC. 未練たらたら but something prevents her from just rekindeling the relation,List of Maruto characters that follow the template: Spoilered it since for most of them you are not supposed to know they had something with the MC.Parfait : Natsumi Rikako (she's the grandmother of the archtype)Konyaku : Asakura Naoko WA2 : Kazusa in Closing Chapter (this is the perfection of the archetype for me since you experience the "past" part with the MC instead of it being told in flashbacks. NO gimmicks just pure drama)Damekoi : AsamiSaekano: Utaha (Parody of the archetype with the joke being that she's actually the one that meets MC the latest. Even uses Rikako's catchphrase to drive the connection home)Classroom crisis ( we don't talk about that one)Mediamix Maidens : (That one Gall with the Red streak)Engage Kiss : Ayano (https://animeanime.jp/article/2022/06/25/70399.html They call it Motokano here but the interviewer makes the same connection as i'm doing here)Imasara : yamiMiru tights doesn't have any romance so it doesn't count.
>>273028594I was confused about Utaha in your list but as a parody it makes sense.
>>273028594>Classroom crisis (we don't talk about that one)why?
>>273028594Anon, you missed the actual grandma of the archetype in his writing kanako.Fuck her.And I always felt Umi fit better than Naoko his usual archetype, they never got together but they had so much more drama with their not-relationship.
物語の題「夢と現実の狭間」ヒカリ、その名はいつも胸に浮かぶ存在だ。幼き頃から共に過ごした彼女は、ただの友ではなく、私の導き手であり、時には挑戦者であった。あの無邪気な笑い声、風に揺れる明るい髪、何事にも挑むその眼差しが私の心を奪っていた。ヒカリは、誰もが認める才色兼備であり、その中には燃えるような情熱が宿っていた。私たちが学校の庭で初めて競争した日、彼女は私を見つめ「もっと早く走れるだろう？」と笑みを浮かべた。その瞬間、私は胸の中に生まれた奇妙な痛みとともに、彼女が私の手の届かない存在であることを知った。そしてアヤミとの出会いが訪れた。彼女はヒカリのような煌めく星ではなかったがその漆黒の瞳には深い闇と静かな光が共存していた。だが、その苦しみが彼女を強くし、私が感じていた孤独に寄り添える存在として現れたのだアヤミとの時間は、私の心を癒し、過去の痛みを和らげていった。ヒカリに抱いていた届かぬ想い、それを埋めてくれる温かさをアヤミは与えてくれた。私たちは互いに傷を抱え、それを共有することで新たな絆を築き上げたあの静かな湖のほとりに立ち、ヒカリと共に過ごした日々を思い返す。そこには、悔しさと憧れが交錯していた。だが今、私は理解した。ヒカリの思い出は私を縛るものではなく、私の成長を見守る影であり、私の心に刻まれた一部だった。人生の中で、本当に大切なのは、手の届かぬ夢を追い求めることではなく、目の前にある温もりを見つけ出すことなのだ。アヤミとの日々が教えてくれたこの真実こそ、私が求めていたものであった
>>273030510She plays the role but isn't one if you look at their history together, it's part of her charm. Parfait laid a lot of groundwork for Saekano (With Eri and Utaha being coded to the two popular characters of that game, two worthy opponents to get btfo'd by Megumi, taking revenge for their crimes of overshadowing that game's "main" box art character).>>273031413If you want to keep the 20 year streak going you could make a case that Iris is the Clasroom Crisis rep of the archetype. Overall I don't remember much about the anime since i hadn't read/seen his other works before it and I didn't think it was that good when I watched it(which felt like the consensus around the time of airing). >>273031570Good point. There might also be one in the his earlier games since I'm not familiar with all of them.For me I feel like Parfait is a good starting point considering the difference in it's popularity with it's predecessors + how Rikako's route turned into the "why you should play the game" pitch. She's the first big hit so to say.>>273027558>>273028104Searched around a bit and this blogpost which breaksown the references in Saekano has an excerpt with the term (in reference to the parfait rep), so I didn’t pull it completely out of my own ass. The 属性 part is just “(arche)type” in Japanese. https://eikisiki.hatenablog.com/entry/20171017
Even the 2 weeks old novelupdates page has a totally polarized rating...Is this fair/deserved?
>>273034103it's not surprisingis that good enough of an answer?
>>273034239It's a... 6/10 response.Related, chapter 13 is out.>If I were one of those super delusional childhood friends (and, just to be clear, I'm not), or maybe the overconfident kind (again, not me!), I'd probably be all, "W-wait, does he mean... me?!"So clueless.
>>273034650She's genre savvy.And well, it's the expected. People who felt betrayed feel it's in their right to bottom the score and people who are enjoying it will try to correct the score by overcompensating in the other direction regardless of how good they actually think this is..
>>273034650>chapter 13 is out.Good to know that Hikari will not give up on Yuu despite everything.
>>273035254Also clingy Hikari confirmed.
>>273035337
>>273035254of course not, it's no fun crushing someone unless they cling to hope
>>273035752imagine, we get back to present>zoom onto Hikari face>her expression is serious>then her eyebrows go up a bit>「まぁ、いいか。」>leavesnot very interesting.
>>273035254>>273035337>>273035420Cat fight with Yami all but confirm? Would love to see that happen. But damn that bitch is too cowardly to take a chance with Yuu.
>>273034650It’s like she knows might have a girlfriend and is too afraid to admit it. So she copes real hard.
>Maybe I'll skip hanging out at the Takamura's house tonight>"Uh, wha-! S-shut up!">I kinda stammered before snapping back, but whatever -- no big deal.Why is she a tsundere?
oh boy, next chapter (14) is gonna be softcore porn, I wonder how far the WN will go.
>>273038139This is why Hikari will win. She has more assets than Yami
>>273038451the hikari cope is endlessly hilarious
>>273038597>flat japanese assit's not like hikari is much better in that field
>>273038597Hikari has bigger breasts than Yami, a better ass, not to mention, is wholesome.
>>273039202>Its Hikari, not Yami, that corrupts Yuu
>The heat, the sweat, my scent... all of it soaking into _his_ bed...What do you think of sleeping in a bed drenched and stinking of Hikari? Yay or nay?
Yuu tried to warn Hikari about being too late about important things...
>>273040524Hikari becoming self-conscious that Yuu won't look at her as a woman.
>>273040599So Yuki is the one giving Hikari sex advice.
>>272982275been a while since i say any aishiteru threads, I really miss them
Yuu inviting Hikari on a pool date
>>273040777i really miss the manga**on second thought, the threads were full of schizos
>>273040797Yuu ain’t loyal to Yami if he’s willing to ask another girl on a date.
>>273040797I think the funniest is the "eighteen years old in this chapter"she's 16, except on this chapter alone.
>>273041399Yuu turned her into an adult.
So Chapter 15 and 16 are next....
>>273040524> "Yeah, well, It's always when it's too late that you realize the important things, alright?"What did he mean by this??
>>273040708>on a sweltering summer daysounds like 1992
>>273034103bad publicity is better than no publicity, i'd say saranami is a rousing success
>>273045930Anon, people keep tanking the score...
>>273045930Well, it previously had good publicity as a light read, so becoming controversial may not have been a net gain in that department. Its artistic value (or at least ambition) has definitely gone up though.
>>273040599>>273040708I can’t help but notice that if Hikari was a bit more aggressive or more forward with Yuu, she would have won. Or at least, forced Yuu to realize she loved him. Honestly, reading these while knowing the twist is sort of sad. Our girl never had a chance, despite being the superior girl.
>>272963091I see that guy still has a HUGE hateboner for CF. Too predictable Maruto.
>>273047461I trust Hikari will win… she has everything going for her.
Eririfags forever mad
>Eriri lost, that means Maruto hates osananajimiThe level of cope is hilarious.
>>273048169Then I hope Hikari wins because she deserves it. Aya stole her man and her happiness away from her.
>>273048380Shut the fuck up Hikarikek
>>273048542How can you read 21 chapters of a young girl in love and have no sympathy when the boy she's in love with is stolen? Do you have no empathy for her.
>>273034103>>273046010does this really matter? the author has influence so we will get an anime
>>273048628>How can you read 21 chapters of a young girl in love and have no sympathy when the boy she's in love with is stolen?because she isnt real, she only exist for entertainment purposes
>>273014611>Why do Japanese readers like broken black hair girls over Genki childhood friends.Jap otakus like doormats like Rem and Miku.GIGACHADS like genki tomboys, but japs are betas so they like broken women who even betas can get/manipulate/control.
>>273048737Is this how you interact with all media?
>>273048784>Is this how you interact with all media?yes, this is how you should interact with media (never forget that fiction is fiction)
>>273048756>genki tomboy (broken)
>>273048820>genki tomboy (SUFFERING & DEPRESSION)FTFYIt's because they are normally bubbly, kind, bright, and friendly. That's why the contrast is so large that it creates a moe gap.Same with how tomboys being girly are the most NGGGGGG thing ever. How manly does a man have to be to make a normally boyish and manly girl swoon for you?
I still think Hikari will win.
>>273048942She's the girl in the cover, of course she will win. She also has the most history with the male love interest.
>>273048756Yotsuba a shit!Hikari is good though.
>>273048722>does this really matter?Sort of, I don't want a good story to have misleading ratings.
>>273049736If both sides were rating this with some honesty this wouldn't be far from the current rating
>>273050190I bet most 10s are from people who haven't caught up with recent chapters yet.
>>273050225Most of the 10s were before chapter 21.
>>273047307>Our girl never had a chanceI still have hope. She just needs to push Aya onto a incoming train.
Okay so you have the opportunity to de-drama the manga, and you can choose two options:>The story is a fluffy romcom about Hikari winning over her childhood friend, Yami is just her supportive friend with no ties to Yuu.>The story is a romantic drama about Yuu moving on from a childhood crush who doesn't like him back and finding a common bond with Yami. Hikari is nothing more than a supportive friend to both.Which do you pick?
>>273051430>no options for genuine NTRNot picking either.
>>273051430>Okay so you have the opportunity to de-drama the mangaI don't want to. I want it to be a drama.
>>273051480This. I want Hikari to win, but only if she does it the hard way.
>>273051430Yuu moving on from Hikari with Yami but a part of him still loves Hikari, Yami on the surface is happy but extremely dependent on Yuu and insecure of Hikari, Hikari still falls in love with Yuu, but instead finding them kissing in the classroom, she finds that walking together holding hands.
>>273051430Neither, or A. Go big or go home.
>>273051504Same but Yami.
>>272963068no it's just that japs hate non black haired characters, how many romcoms did best girls lose to some boring black haired yamatonakadashi
>>273052146Zero?
>>273051504>>273052140You guys know they would have to stop being friends if that happened right?
>>273052175Okay, but what are the cons?
>>273052175Why?
>>272963091
I just read the first chapter of the web novel for the first time. I really like how Hikari is depicted in it.
>>273052202Anon, no woman would ever be friends with other women who are crushing on their man. The fact that Aya even hid this fact shows that even she knows she crossed the line.
>>273051430Neither of those, I just want there to be lots and lots of drama
>>273004605>designated winner>losinglol
>>273052441What line?
>>273052547Dating Yuu behind Hikari's back
>>273052554Who is Hikari even? Some girl Yuu used to have a crush on 1.5 years ago? To me it seems like Hikari is crossing the line by trying to get a taken man.
>>273052476This. Hikari will still win this. I have no doubts.
>>273052601Hikari is the FMC, and there heroine of the series, who will win Yuu, and save him.
>>273052601>Who is Hikari even?A cute dork who will win her Yuu's heart.
>>272963011Who's the Kotonoha and Sekai of this manga?
>>272963068YesFpbp/Thread
>>273053789What is her major malfunction?
>>272963068Seems about right
>>272963068Fpbp
>novel ch.13>Ugh, my mood always seems to match the weather exactly.>[...]>"You really don't need to worry about it, Ta~kun.">"I mean, I kinda do... otherwise, it'll be a disaster.">"It's fine! No matter how soaked I get, it's all the rain's fault, not yours.">Oh no, no, no...>I'm being that girl today. The clingy, mopey girl.>My mood is totally getting dragged down by this weather...FORESHADOWING
>>273004605Hikari will win and avenge Ruby
>>273057945How many chapters is the novel up to?
>>273058055The TL is up to 14 now.
>>273038613>delicious flat japanese assftfy
>>273058279Based.
>>273057945>sees weather>here’s how it’s about mejesus fuck what a narcissist
>>272963068All three characters are japanese, though
>>273057945Cinema
>>273057984Hikari is nothing like Ruby though…
>>273061241Is she though? I can see some similarities>bright and cheerful personality but can turn pretty nasty >is okay with her (future) love interest hooking up with other girls until a sudden realisation
>>273061241Hikari=LightRuby=Light
>>273057984>>273061241>>273061471>>273061541Who is Aya?
>>273057945Winter is coming...
We love Yami here. Simple as.
>>273063106I don’t!
>>273061660Ayame, or Yani.
>>273063106Nope!
>>273063106Yep!
>>273063106Hell no.
>>273057945Yandere confirm
>>273057945We have to go back to the kissing scene soon. What the fuck will Hikari do.
Chapter 15 soon
>>273058455The world revolves around her and she knows it.
some anons really hate when a character is able to love themselves, huh?
>>273069467She doesn't look like she loves herself.
>>273057945>>273069978Why is she like this? Isn’t she a queen bee. Can’t she just force the guy to date her via peer pressure.
>>273071015>Isn’t she a queen bee.Fuck no.
i miss when this manga was about cute masturbation jokes.
>>273072552She moved back into her old room, after moving out. Wonder how Yuu felt about that.
>>273073375Watching Hikari pick every worse option before falling in love with Yuu is depressing.
>i'm putting together a team
When is chapter 15 of the WR getting translated? I thought it would be today
more fanart
>>273076702Not too bad.
>>273076702Why are they so obsessed with her and not Hikari?
>>273077880Oh shut up, she's gotten like three pictures.
>>273076702yami has soulless brown eyes, no way they're blue
>>273069978she doesn't exaggeratedly hate herself either. hikari might not realize that she's not the protagonist but she also never lowers herself to yami-tier navel gazing
>>273078151Never say never. We don’t know how she will react when she finds out that Yami and Yuu were in a secret relationship behind her back. Could be that she hates herself for not noticing or letting Yuu slip from her fingers.
>>273078127She was on that Gyaru timing with Yuu when they met.
>>273078535With that long ass pinky finger in Yuu's G-spot there's no way he wouldn't fall for her
>>273078535Remind me again how this isn’t ntr? She’s even talking like one of those moral degeneration H-doujins where they corrupt the lead.
>>273079256How can you NTR a girl who doesn't even give a fuck about the guy?
>>273051430Hikari moving on and is a supportive friend to both.
>>273079256>Remind me again how this isn’t ntr?Hikari does not have feelings for Yuu at the time.>She’s even talking like one of those moral degeneration H-doujins where they corrupt the lead.This act of hers quickly falls apart.You're looking for surface signs of NTR, but they don't necessarily make the work into one.
>>273079331>>273079423It’s ntr because the guy liked another girl, but was stolen/taken by sex with another woman.
>>273079628Stolen from whom?
>>273079628So it is between the guy and the girl who "stole" him, and the other girl does not play any role in it? Yeah, not NTR.>>273079666From himself, duh
>>273079256Because Yami is the true route
>>273079666>>273079678>Boy A likes Girl A and are childhood friends>Girl B comes in and has sex with Boy A when he’s at his lowest point and corrupts him>Boy A then starts dating Girl B despite loving Girl ANTR no matter how you look at it.
>>273004605>manipulative bitch>winninglmao
>>273080014Retard.
ONE BRINGS SHADOWSONE BRINGS LIGHT
>>273080103How is she manipulative?
>>273080014This is a consensual romantic relationship between two people who had not been in a committed relatinship with anyone else at the time of them becoming a couple. What does some other unrelated girl has to do with anything?I am in love with Lindsay Lohan. Is it NTR if I settle down and marry someone who's not this particular Hollywood actress who's not even avare of my feelings towards her?
>>273080014>>273080362This face says otherwise.
>>273079423>Hikari does not have feelings for Yuu at the time.I thought she started to fall in love with Yuu during the first year of highschool?
>>273081158Yes, but Yuu met Yami before entering high school.
>>273081167So it is ntr, you guys are just being pedantic about it.
>>273081466Have your last (You).
>>273081466Even if we accept your assertion that it is ntr, which in my personal opinion it's not, the fact that Hikari wants to be with Yuu despite him having a girlfriend is netori, therefore NTR. The fact that you refuse to even point that out makes me believe you're just bitter and bias.
Hikarikeks are mindbroken.
>>273081992But they're right about their critique of the series.
>>273078127They're not brown, that's for sure.
>>273082061They are butthurt and their opinions are butthurt.
>>273081167>>273081466>>273081514>>273081565>>273081992>>273082462Can’t wait for Hikari to win so you guys can eat your words.
>>273082586Even if she does win, it still won't turn anything that happened before into NTR.
>>273082586Because it'll be NTR at last?
>yamifags still in denialdindu nuffinkeep gaslighting
>>273082620But if she wins it'll be actual NTR.You could argue the kiss is also NTR, it's BSS.
>>273082639>it's BSS.It's not. Yami fell in love with him first.
>>273082639BSS is NTR, gooktard
>>273082674BSS is Japanese, you dumbass, and I didn't say it wasn't NTR.>>273082662Doesn't matter, for Hikari it's BSS.
>>273082695I retract my statement and apologize. I'm just too tired of arguing this shit.
>>273082586This. I’ll piss on their graves.
>>273082695Even that's arguable. Hikari already heard Ta-kun say he's liked someone else for a long time, and was aware that that someone might not be her.
>"it doesn't count because of *thing that happened outside of the POV character at the time*"
>that cute girl at work turned out to be married? Literally NTR.
>That childhood friend that you've been crushing on for over a year now? Your best friend has been dating him behind your back. Literally BSS and NTR
>>273082816She was coping real hard about that. She really wanted to be the one. Should have tried her chances. >>273082855>>273082931>>273083296Those statements can be true, you know.
>>273083296While I do think Yami should have come forward and admit to Hikari that she’s dating Yuu, that still doesn’t count as NTR, maybe BSS if we stretch the definition, but overall Yami did nothing wrong so far.
>>273084312Anon, there's not stretch. BSS is NTR, it's marketed as such in most places. The separation only matters for people who are too deep into the cuckshit hole that they start grading their crap like metalheads with their imaginary metal genres.
>>273084356>BSS is NTRThen there is NTR, if we only look at it from Hikari's pov.
>>273082061Hikarikeks are beyond saving
Imagine if Hikari and Ta-kun were blood-related siblings living in the same household, and Hikari only told nosy friends that her crush was a "childhood friend" due to social taboos, while Ta-kun was uncertain about whether his own feelings were platonic or romantic due to the same taboos. Basically the same story, except everyone's default expectation (including their own) is that they'd never be interested in each other, hence all the pussyfooting around, and why Aya doesn't put two and two together sooner. Would you still think it was NTR if nobody realized there was a potential couple there to disrupt?...Uh, I think I was originally going somewhere with this, but started involuntarily screaming HOLY FUCKING KINO partway through. Maybe this wasn't the best example.
>>273086443>in this alternate timeline, Saraniichan is canceled by Twitter moralfags, but is a smash hit on /a/ from the start, up until the tweest ignites a massive shitstorm
>4.5 days until Hikari's return
>4,5 days until Ayami's insemination
>4.5 days until Ruby's revenge
>4,5 days until Nino's revenge
It's more like 4,28 days away.
If we had access to all the sidestories, how would the order go?The sleepover is a prequel, so would it be the first chapter to read?We haven't seen what the new one will be about, but would it still be read after chapter 13 if the contents only make sense after the twist?
>>273082586>gettings Yami's sloppy seconds >winningTa-kun is a used whore. The real win would be Hikari moving on.
>>273094181Release order is usually a good bet. So the sleepover should be read after vol 1.
>>273094241damn, the cute sleepover where Hikari first talks about her childhood friend crush right after the twist chapter is a brutal combo
>>273094185After what she lost?
>>273094405where did you get that?
>>273096024the chinese scanlationhttps://w323.npdn.top/chapter/shidaorujinxihuanshangleqingmeizhuma/1450720.html
Chapter 15 is translated. And it starts out strong
>I mean, come on, these friends of mine are just as important to me as he is -- well, maybe that's not really a fair comparison. Let's just say they mean a lot, okay?It's over
>"But Hikari... next year, you'd better try to watch them with him, yeah?">"No way, not with a crowd this huge. If it's just us two, something quieter would be better.">"So picky!"
>>273096098neatthanks
hikaribros... I don't feel so good... maybe we should just let yamichads take this...
>>273096560>another hoes before bros slutdeath to her too
A guy and a girl lying naked in bed, and he spends hours telling her about his unrequited love. And somehow, it actually calms her down. Isn't that cute?
>>273097399>Isn't that cute?No, because she becomes extremely jealous of that girl later on...
>>273097280Is that so wrong to have?
>>273096463>>273096560>>273096699>Yami helped Hikari on getting a swimsuit for YuuSay what you want about Yami, but she was definitely dedicated on getting cuckquean by her best friend.
>>273098594Oof.
>>273098594It's funny, she paypigged the amusement park date out of their friendship, but these bikinis were after she (should've, still debatable) realized Ta~kun == her Yuu.Very much cuckquean behaviour, specially her last comment about wanting Hikari to see the fireworks together with Yuu
>>273099137>>273099266What causes a woman to be this much of a cuck?
And people say she's a bad friend.
>>273098594>she was definitely dedicated on getting cuckquean by her best friendSo dedicated that she slipped out the back the moment Yuu showed up to her classroom and had a yuge argument over him before kissing him
>>273099266>specially her last comment about wanting Hikari to see the fireworks together with YuuMakes me wonder if Yami and Yuu saw the fireworks together
>>273100536Oooh. Like, from the same spot? Ch.26 took place during Golden Week (Apr/May), so there's still a few months till summer. It's possible.
>>273100787I mean I get the feeling Yami draws lots of her experience with Yuu to help Hikari
>>273101049>hmm raping Yuu seemed to shut him up>I'll try it with Hikari
>>273101213She was thinking of Yuu when Hikari was asking that question
>>273098594The flashback better reveal why Yami is doing this. Because this goes beyond just feeling bad for ruining a pure romance between childhood friends. This is actual cuckoldry shit and I refuse to believe she would enjoy that.
>>273101780How about between two people who saved your life? (Well, we still have to see how she met Hikari. I'd be surprised if it's as dramatic as with Yuu though.)
>>273098594Yami will bake their wedding cake>>273099266>>273102713Hikari would not have done the same. Why is Yami even doing this.
>>273102713Yeah, but doesn’t Aya say that her time dating Yuu were the best time of her life? Why give it up.
>>273097399Oh fuck, Yuu actually loved Hikari in the past? I thought it was a meme.
>>273103171>>273103718Maybe Yuu still shows signs of regret sometimes that make her feel guilty about messing with his life. Maybe he moans Hikari's name sometimes during sex.>>273104038Do you even read
>>273099266>after she (should've, still debatable) realized Ta~kun == her Yuuyeah that's assuming she put the pieces together immediately and accepted it, which i doubt. plus we know that yu knows that hikari is a touchy subject for her, so there's a good chance if she tried to confirm by asking him about the amusement park he might've dodged the question or otherwise answered it in a way that left ambiguity.
>>273104796Or she could still be in denial about Yuu=Ta~kun. Because admitting they're the same person will ruin her happy life
>>273105269yeah, exactly
>>273100096She should have been honest when she found out. Now it’s nothing but heartbreak
>>273095840How can you lose if you never seriously played? Leave while feeling aren't that deep and find someone else.
>>273106541>Leave while feeling aren't that deep and find someone else.Second chapter already shows she fell hard for Yuu.
>>273095840>>273106739If she's already lost, isn't it better for her to just move on, imagine settling for used goods.
>>273106958>imagine settling for used goods.Hikari will fix Yuu
>>273104710I like to think Hikari overshadowing Yami’s relationship with Yuu causes Yaminto being menhera
>>273098594>>273099266Yamibros, are we still winning?
>>273107858For at least 4 weeks.
>>273107891more like 4 days, gottem!!1
>>273106739Hikari didn't fall for Yuu, she fell for her misguided image of him.She doesn't actually know him that well given she is unaware he has a girlfriend he fucked on the regular.
>>273107974counterpoint, she knows every girl that had a crush on him in middle school
>>273107974Hikari literally knows everything about Yuu except what goes on his school because Yuu lies about it, and that he had a GF, something his own mother didn’t know about.
Honest question if you are a Hikari fag why would you want her to be with Yuu after the recent chapters?Wouldn't you want her to be happy with someone else?
>I'm sipping on the last few melting ice cubes in my coffee, eyes glued to her, sending every silent, glaring, signal of stay away I possibly can.Hikari is possessive.
>>273108267You sound like a virgin purityfag, stop being a bigot.Yuu's first love will always be Hikari, he's branded forever and ever, no Yamicuck will ever overwrite that.
>>273108354>I've been by Ta~kun's side since elementary school. We were even in the same class up to second year of junior high.>And still! Still, we haven't even kissed!This new side of Hikari is nice to see.
>>273108108Hikari knows everything about the outside and nothing about what's inside his mind and heart, and that's what makes the story feel genuine.
>>273108379Holy irony
>>273108411>But still... something feels off.>The look on his face right now, it seems like a forced smile, a mask he's putting on...Hikari is starting to notice...
>>273108532>And yet... the way I'm reacting to his panic feels...>Entirely different. Like I don't even know how to process this.It's fucking over...
>>273108354>Today's the day I pull my "Oops, my leg cramped" move and finally get that heart-pounding, close-call mouth-to-mouth moment! (Well, you know, just enough to keep it safe...)>...Or so I thought. I'd psyched myself up for it, ran through the whole thing a million times in my head.Is dis woman serious
>>273108379Yet he so easily, within minutes, folded when another girl gave him attention, man got no morals.Give Hikari a better love interest.
>>273108603>Yet he so easily, within minutes, folded when another girl gave him attention, man got no morals.Evil Gyarus are too powerful to resist.
>>273108603He was in a vulnerable state, he still loves Hikari and that's the rift that broke those two apart.You can see in this very translated chapter, his fake smile is from the disappointment in hearing Hikari so flusteredly trying to clear up the dating misunderstanding. (classic misunderstanding the misunderstanding trope)He thought he liked Yami, but given the chance he'll run back to Hikari in a moment's notice.
>>273108532>But then...>"Don't worry about us. Today's about you two. Tell us more about how you got together.">"Ta... Yuu-kun?">Even with all these wrong assumptions being tossed our way, he's totally unbothered.>He keeps his calm, gentle smile, never showing a hint of being shaken, always taking the high road.>And he neither confirms nor denies anything.The man has grown accustomed to living a lie.
>>273108878Yami, in the end, did corrupt him.
>>273108354>>273108411>>273108532>>273108577Holy fuck this is just sad and cringe for Yuu. I do not want to be in his position.
>>273108602It’s funny seeing her run these simulations in her heads all the while Yami took a chance and just kiss him.
>>273108878>>273108956Ta-kun died on the day he failed the entrance exams. Now there is only Yuu.
>>273109118You raise a good point; he's having to pretend he didn't fail at life while his waifu is sitting RIGHT THERE watching him lie his ass off.
>>273109193Yami had nothing to lose. Hikari has years of friendship weighting on her back that could be gone in an instant.
>>273109430I don’t know how he held it together. I’m surprised the friend didn’t take the hint.
>>273109550>Yami had nothing to lose.unironically she did, she could have lost the first friend she made after her spiral.
>>273108757>He thought he liked Yami, but given the chance he'll run back to Hikari in a moment's notice.Where the hell did you read that? Guy is just embarrassed that people confuse Hikari and him as a couple.
>>273109999Not even that because she didn't ask for any of his contact information if she had taken that train it would have been the last time they would have seen each other
>>273110394Let me cope, anon.
>>273108757>He was in a vulnerable state, he still loves Hikari and that's the rift that broke those two apart.Sounds like ntr
>introduce cuck plot to a boring series>everyone now obsesses over said seriesIs it REALLY that easy?
>>273110677Helps that the FMC was a sweet girl with the purest intentions before being stabbed in the back.
>>273110714>Introduce cuck plot to a boring series (with muh princess main girl)>Everyone now obsesses over said seriesIs it REALLY that easy?
>>273086443fugg I want this
>>273110755princess main girl just lost the man of her dreams to a hussy, so yes.
>>273110677It has to be a catfight, and the new girl also has to be objectively superior.
>>273109550that's kinda the point in general, isn't it? both her & yu were able to connect because they both felt like they had failed and had nothing left (true or not) while hikari hasn't been in that kind of state of mind yet. she was still living in fantasy, sometimes literally, and all her genre aware talk sort of underlined and obscured that at the same time. of honor-student alive-dad aya was in her shoes she probably would've been more similar than different.
>>273108603If anything that just shows how much lower investment he has in yami than he does in hikari
>>273111113Don't say that Yuu did not settle for Yami
>>273108757Still don't get the hang up of wanting to see them get together in the end. I don't really care what Yuu thinks or how he feels, or him as a character. I'm more invested in Hikari and her finding happiness with someone else.
>>273111241If Yami wins Yuu, then NTR wins.
>>273111311How? They were never a couple.Idk I just don't care about Yuu. If Hikari moves on and find someone else who loves her entirely and she loves him, how is it ntr? Like I don't get it, getting heartbroken, moving past it, growing from it, expanding your world, meeting new people, finding someone to share your path with is a part of life, I don't see the ntr angle you're trying to sell me.
>>273111680>How?dangers of too much self insertion
>>273110677>>273110755And before the cuck plot, it was literally generic romcom fluff series with almost zero engagement.
>>273111871>selfinsert Into who???
>>273112090Yuu...
>>273108354Jesus, you can feel the jealousy from Hiraki
>>273112427>Yeah I helped many girls confess to Yuu when I was younger>Hikari hates them now that she’s in love with Yuu Woman moment.
>>273112514Imagine a what-if where Yuu actually got in a relationship with one of those girls while Hikari still fell in love with him.
>>273112097Maybe I'm too dumb and too sleep deprived to understand, why would those who selfinsert into Yuu feel betrayed if Hikari moves on, they still have Yami, just selfinsert into the new boy Hikari meets, simple as.
>>273113135Because Hikari is the superior choice.
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>>273114570I'd rather wait until a new chapter is fully translated
>>273114937New WR chapters are getting translated daily.
