We are North Korea, because payment processors took us hostage. >https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/news/index.php?news_id=914>https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2024-11-10/melonbooks-dojinshi-store-chain-to-halt-visa-mastercard-payments-on-december-19/.217701
>>273017707>no more gajinBased!
I just use PayPay. No foreskin off my cock.
>>273017707Based.Real otaku buy physically in akiba, fuck poorfags gaijin.
>>273017707We literally had a thread about this a few days ago.
>>273017707>Melonbooks added that its physical store branches are working to resume Visa and Mastercard payments sometime after mid-DecemberSo basically they'll inteoduce censorship? Also that Yamada Tarou guy going to Visa headquarters sure didn't achieve anything, huh?
>>273017799Can you use PayPay without having a Japanese phone number or living in Japan?
>>273018267>For his election campaign, Yamada emphasized his opposition to piracy sites and his support for the legalization of fan derivative works such as doujinshi and fanfiction. In addition, Yamada has campaigned about improving the working conditions in the anime industry, disability rights, and the right for Japanese people to retain their original surnames after marriage.Useless.
>>273017707Fuck. Hope Amex holds out.
>>273018402Wonder how he feels now that he knows he got lied to straight to his face like a fool.
>>273017707Will based Ken Akamatsu save us?
>>273017799How to use paypay?
>>273018402>and the right for Japanese people to retain their original surnames after marriageFor what purpose?
VISA lied, and now the JPN ministry of economics and something something (dunno its other titles) is involved.This could sour international relations because it is American private companies breaching the sovereignty of a foreign nation's law on expression (wherein the subject material is also fully legal in the homebase of the country). I do get that Credit Card companies can be held liable for purchases committed which is why they've become so reactionary (truthfully, card kikes are overstepping their bounds here, and I fucking hate these niggers) but to do this to fictional material that meet standards also sets a chilling precedent to which we in the West should also be monitoring closely. It is high time the CC monopoly is broken up like how google was.
>>273018436No hope. See NicoNico and DLsite, which no longer use Amex, Visa, Mastercard.
>>273017707I fucking hate those Visa/MC faggots, who do they think they are to dictate what people can buy
>>273018721They recently passed a law allowing many Nigerian migrant workers into the country.It would look better on the family registers, and probably stave off public concern, if all the newlywed Japanese women didn't suddenly go by Abubakar-san and Yusuf-san.
>>273018721Because it's the norm throughout the world.
>>273017986so? this needs more attention.
>>273018744>This could sour international relations because it is American private companies breaching the sovereignty of a foreign nation's law on expressionI hope Japan retaliates against Americunts in a Japanese fashion: >TSUTOMU HATA has earned a lasting entry in the lore of United States-Japan relations with a recent discourse on why his country could not accept more imports of American beef. Japanese are incapable of eating much beef, said Mr. Hata, a former agriculture minister who had gone to Washington as his Government's point man on this issue. Japanese, he explained, have longer intestines than other people.>Trade officials here once tried to ban foreign-made skis because they were deemed unsuitable for Japan's ''unique'' snow. An American-made suppository was rejected on the ground that physical differences made them unsuitable for the Japanese. Foreign pharmaceutical manufacturers in general are often turned away because their exhaustive tests are judged inadequate, having been conducted on other humans and not Japanese.>https://archive.is/Ggbai
>>273018744>VISA lied, and now the JPN ministry of economics and something something (dunno its other titles) is involved.Sauce?
>>273018764>gimme power over money and i do not care about laws (or rather: i'll make them) etc etc.or something.
>>273018764>Just make your own payment processor bro!
>>273019330well, one can try, but you must be somebody who can't be easily saddaffied. let's see how it comes together.
>>273018764>who do they think they are to dictate what people can buysuccessful capitalists.
>>273019330China has UnionPay - if bugmen can do it, so can anybody else!
So how exactly do you buy anything in MB if its cashless only and all of the major cards are now not supported?Buy a pre-paid card once your over there?
>>273020972with a bank cardthat's connected to your bank accountthe account that your salary gets paid to
when will they implement a point/coin system similar to fantia or even dlsite for us gaijins?
>>273021276get a clue. your money is no good
>>273021276I'm guessing the best you'll get is some app?>https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/tags/index.php?tag=cpn-shoppay
>>273017707>No more american scum influencing what japanese makeJapan is healing>>273018721>Women shouldn't show anyone she joined the family of her husbandJapan is getting pozzedBut this time isn't for feminism or other stuff, is to stop niggers and blacks in general from taking japanese family names after they get japanese women blacked, same with women not being forced into taking south african names.
>>273017707bitcoin solves this
>>273020725anyone with nuclear weapons, anyway
>>273018744>This could sour international relations because it is American private companies breaching the sovereignty of a foreign nation's law on expression (wherein the subject material is also fully legal in the homebase of the country)m8 ameriniggers do that shit all the time
>yet another thread that got colonized and turned into a thinly-veiled /pol/ thread
>>273021855hm yes what could be political about american banks enforcing us laws abroad
>>273020725>>273019443Those are state-owned companies, so a whole different can of worms. Not a single iota better.
>>273018882>An American-made suppository was rejected on the ground that physical differences made them unsuitable for the Japanese.Kek, were Murricans stuffing Bad Dragon-sized suppositories up their asses?
>>273022385competition is the idea, if you're the only game in town why pay attention to anything the plebs want, they have to suck your dick anyway.
>>273018630>In October 2018, it began a QR code and bar code-based payment service, which was developed in collaboration with Paytm, an India-based payment service company.Be pajeet I guess
>>273022385oh because visa is so fucking independent of the usg lol
>>273018744what's japan gonna do? they can't say no to their master's demand. Japan is LITERALLY american vassal state since WW2
>>273018764>who do they think they are to dictate what people can buythe rulers of the planet earth?
>>273018380No.>>273018630>download paypay app>put in personal information>load up cash money from nearest 7-11>pay for porn
There are companies that scan doujins for you, like>http://www.scan-pdf.comI wonder whether they'd want to expand into buying physical doujins for you before scanning them...
>>273021855>yet another thread that got colonized and turned into a thinly-veiled /pol/ threadno shit faggot, because this IS a politically-motivated issue.
but for some reason (((Fakku))) and Irodori aren't affected even though they sell loli porn hmmmmm?
>>273023104Honeypot.
>>273023070Their scan quality is mediocre at best.
>>273021352>your money is no goodsure they do
Does anyone know if you can use Discover cards for online purchases at melonbooks, etc? I'm considering getting one.>You can use your card anywhere you see the Discover acceptance mark and at almost all locations you see the JCB acceptance mark throughout Japan.
>>273017707>PayPay's server fell victim to a hacking attack, originating in Brazil, on November 28, 2020. As per the operator of PayPay, a server containing personal and financial information of its entire userbase was compromised. The company acknowledged that configuration flaws led to unauthorized access to information. The service operator was later notified of the incident and preventive measures were taken.lol
>>273017799Paypal is extremely jewish though.
>>273023104Well... its not like anyone has gone and snitched on them about it or anything...
>>273017726>Dropping the gaijin market instead of giving in to their pathetic demandsI love japan so much! Never budge, never censor, fuck gaijin faggots.
>>273017707We need to kick the fake environmentalists and their climate change scam aside and completely switch to crypto.
>>273026966Proof of work, BTW. Not proof of stake.Proof of stake can be bought out by the banks. That's the real reason why the establishment is at war with proof of work. It has nothing to do with the environment.
Not like i was able to buy them before, i might actually get vanned for importing the doujinshi i like.
>>273017707total gaijin death
>>273025181So is reading comprehension it seems
>>273017707Who, specifically, from Visa/Mastercard is pushing for this?Name some names. They need to be shamed.
>>273017707>>273017726This. Glad to see the prevailing solution among all these stores has become to just suspend them right away instead of catering to their stupid demands in “good faith” as some were initially trying to.
>>273021914>>273023074>Japanese subcultures involving fictional works are political
>>273021276It's already impossible to make an account without a Japanese phone number now. They don't care.
>>273028557Ask Kiwifarms to dox them for you.
>>273018565Did you miss the last week's thread
>>273030074>>273018565Maybe she has. >https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/272826102/
>>273029469Lol, Null doesn't give a shit, not after that incident. He wants every lolicons to suffer.
>>273030272He hates the payment processors even more.
>>273030324Nice headcanon.
>>273018778surely no japanese woman is gonna marry a nigerian immigrant, right?
>>273023104>though they sell loli porn hmmmmmNews to me. I don't think I've read any loli from fakku. Off the top of my head, they outright delete anything that depicts underage. They deleted a page that showed a girl's growth record, shoops out the woman's kid out of the page as the kid walked in to her mom getting fucked by her boss, and changed dialogue from calling high school girls to legal girls. Maybe at some point they'll avoid works with the girls wearing a school uniform.
Idea: let's sue the banks and get SC to tell them to fuck off or something.A million lawyers won't cover up the fact theyre abusing their power for international coercion. Plus they'll lose money as a result.after that, we sue these rich greedy fucks funding these "child safety/religious" groups, where we can make a precedent that "think of da children" isn't enough to block off anything for adults or dumb obscenity law retardation.Afterwards, we negotiate with congressmen to keep all art unhinged by having them pass laws, but we suggest things that will not have them "no" without any cucked bullshit. (i.e. forcing popular websites to run a RTA counterpart and a trusted asult verification system that won't expose sensitive data and keep kiddos out.)Japan is saved, American is saved, EUdiots be malding.Who's gonna advocate for this beyond here?
*adultI'm not ESL, i swear.
>>273030446This is a bot post.
>>273030527Not unless she’s a brainwashed liberal living in Tokyo or an expat.
>>273030590Don’t they have a “controversial” content toggle you can switch off to access loli?
>>273023104The JK and loli porn they sell isn't up to public, iirc you have to buy a subscription for itAnd unlike dlsitecucks they don't censor the words, they literally call it highschoolersThe jews can't stop winning
>>273031911I don’t think you even have to subscribe, just make an account and it’s all there.
Boycott card companies - always pay with cash.
OH NO GAIJIN WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY TO STEAL AND DISTRIBUTE FOR (((FREE))) ANYMORE!!
>>273017707FUCK
On a serious note, I can't see how this strategy is going to work for credit card companies in the long run.>We want you to stop allowing this type of content in your plataform>No fuck you we don't work with you anymoreAt some point the money lost is going to add up
>>273033942It probably isn't that much of a loss unless they implement it on a massive scale
>>273033942Visa/Mastercard are HUGE. Small and medium sized companies selling loli doujins will suffer far worse than those corpo guys ever will, unfortunately.
>>273034068This is my point though, it's not a loss when you look at it individually, but by this rate they will only have amazon left in like a year or not and nips will wonder why bother with them at all unless you are importing shit or travelling
>>273017707They should switch to Discover.
>>273034156>>273034068You're overlooking the fact that Visa/Mastercard have a competitor in Japan - JCB. Maybe the cancellation will compel more people to get a JCB card and other vendors to only accept JCB payment processing. If Visa/MasterCard could cancel NicoNico >>273018746, who is to say they won't do it to other streaming services (Japan has plenty of anime-streaming sites this could happen to)? You think Japanese normalfags, not only otaku, don't notice it?
>>273034611>Maybe the cancellation will compel more people to get a JCB cardUnfortunately that means gaijin pay pigs will not be able to buy their stuff anymore. That's gonna put a dent into the wallets of these stores. Pretty sure at least a few of them have already decided to remove the "offending material" in order to keep Visa/Mastercard.
>>273030948>N-Null c-cares about us, i s-swear!Want me to post his k*ke rant about Miyazaki, retard?
>>273034794What about proxies and forwarders? All you have to do is declare they’re “comic books”.
>>273034918No idea. There'll probably always be some loopholes, but if things become too difficult for the average joe, artists and stores WILL be affected no matter what, as seen by some stores already bending the knee.See also Manga Library Z shutting down at the end of this month.
>>273035053Why didn’t Manga Library Z just cut off Visa and Mastercard?
>>273034918From what I know, no proxies/forwarders exist for digital content. Of course you can use a proxy to buy physical everything and send them to you, but not everything is 'physical', like some indie games, audio etc. No more voice/ASMR recorded by a rando with a mic, a script and free time.
>>273035448It all happened very quickly. Visa/Mastercard just suddenly pulled out, even freezing their payments of the ongoing month. Akamatsu even said JCB pulled out, though some jp dude said they're not at fault here or something.>今回はアクワイヤラーを通しているから残念ながらJCBが契約主体じゃない>https://x.com/KenAkamatsu/status/1853771600828809490
>go to playasia to get some bitcash>option to pay with visa/mastercard is missing from checkout, despite being on the bottom of the screen>try making a new cart with some other prepaid JP card>visa/mastercard is an available payment option>send playasia chinks a pissed off email>"so velly solly we have set payment restriction for some item"So the credit card jews are aware people are circumventing their bullshit and are even pressuring stores not to let customers buy bitcash to do so. I hope Blumpf breaks them up under antitrust laws.
>>273035700I wonder how long of a chain of conversions would be blocked if it were possible.
>クレジットカードの規律を行っているのは割賦販売法で、経産省が所管>イシュアやアクワイアラ・決済代行会社は登録制（基準を満たせば「登録しなければならない」。監督権限は狭い、一方、金融庁が監督を行う銀行は免許制で条件の付与・変更も可能で監督権限が広い）>経産省が監督するのは、イシュアの適切な与信、アクワイアラ・決済代行会社の適正な情報管理くらい（これらの観点から過去に行政処分を行った例は過去に6件とのこと）>経産省の監督権限は国際ブランドには及ばない（そもそも割賦販売法の対象外）>加盟店手数料や支払留保、チャージバック等については全く規制がなく監督権限なし（不適切な取扱いがあっても割賦販売法に基づく行政処分等の対象外）>アクワイアラや決済代行会社が契約解除や支払留保を盾に表現規制を迫っても監督権限なし>なぜアクワイアラや決済代行会社による表現規制が急拡大しているのか経産省は把握していない>6. Even if acquirers or payment service providers pressure for expression regulation by threatening contract termination or payment holds, there is no supervisory authority.Lmao these fuckers can literally do whatever they want. They've got free reign.
>>273035740>he thinks Project 2025 will pass
>>273036218What is Project 2025?
>>273035700You should send Playasia this >>273036118
you didn't hear this from me butgenetically engineered catgirls
>>273036334A CIA propaganda scare.
>>273036334An ultra-conservative guideline that includes banning porn and getting rid of everyone who gives access to porn. Trump was/is involved in that shit.
>>273036601Hasn’t he denied it multiple times?
>>273035596I see. Them shutting down reads exactly like “we are being forced to do this” for both legal reasons and the cc companies that hold power. They’re probably in cahoots with the “something something against child abuse” feds and making a coordinated crackdown on wherever loli stuff came from after distinguishing what’s real and just drawn, in yet another attempt to get that kind of enabling shit removed from places people visit online.
>>273036701Well, yes, but you have to be retarded to believe in any politician, ever.
>>273036601>porn star addict wants to ban pornIt sounds retarded, but I fully believe it.
>>273037128>>273037225It's fucking Q-tier nonsense.
>>273017707>273017726How can this be anti-American if American Express is literally their fallback?
A reminder that Manga Toshokan Z didn't shutdown because of Visa or Mastercard. This is just another anti-American psyop.
>>273034611JCB also told Manga Library Z to fuck off despite both of them being japanese.They're just as cucked.
>>273037592See above
>>273037790Sounds like you're just a burger coping.
>>273037995I’m not, I agree it’s an anti-American psyop.
>>273038136You're literally being told that """they""" told the site to fuck off, how the fuck can you deny that?
>>273030527Why wouldn't she?
>>273035700>>273035740>>273036218>>273037261You're going to get the thread deleted.Fuck off to /pol/.
>>273038369>>273038563
>>273017707I'm stupid, what exactly stop any company to create their own "mastercard"?
>>273036601It's a good thing anime isn't porn
>>273038369>i-i-it's okay when they take a white person's name thogive it a rest kid
>>273039065You wanna get assassinated? Because that's how you gonna get assassinated.
>>273029077They are when the works or the subcultures are the only meaningful things in a motherfucker's life. Weebs and nerds in general are the easiest to radicalize since they think they're too smart to fall for propaganda and spiritually hollow enough to fill the hole in their souls with the things they consume.
>>273026747You will never be Japanese.
>>273031911>jk porn has to be censoredWhat kind of zoomer world is this? Wtf
if it’s going down, we might as well get a waifu instead of a credit card
>>273039612I already live in Japan. Enjoy being excluded from everything Japanese and be forced to consume your inclusion-ridden westoid slop. Faggot
>>273039775>he thinks he's safeanon...
>>273039775You are an invader and need to go back to your country immediately
>>273039870Hey, maybe he has a collection.
>>273039775nigerianon...
>>273036334It's a plan to turn the US into a theocratic society
>>273039937We all have. What does that matter though? You really fine with never getting any more?
>>273021855t. pol colonizer.It was doing very well up to you.
>>273040017>what does that matterAdding to our backlogs with other recommendations, both new and old.>any moreYar har har! Time to sail Ex and Nyaa!
>>273039226why is that the only option left? The logical politic would be stopping inmigration from those areas. But you're ok with Japan getting raided by africans it seems.
>>273026966>completely switch to crypto.Oh, you was doing so good until you posted that shit
NOOOOOOO, MY LOLI !
>>273041589You laugh but crypto is unironically a valid solution to this censorship bullshit from the credit card companies
People actually pay for porn?
>>273021855Why do you retards act like /pol/ is some isolated separated entity to this site?This website has always been a racist neo-nazi far right place were you could discuss almost anything, then leftoids decided menial things like videogames and regional customs are "politics"
>>273043606Holy mother of newfag
>>273041589>nooo I rather jump through a bunch of hoops to buy points till those too get shaftedfunniest part is one of the hoops is bitcash, something which you can pay for with crypto on playasiaand if what this anon >>273035700 says is correct you suddenly can't buy it with visa/mc for some reason?sites like dmm already use crypto heavily, just not for payment processing. let's not forget about all the japanese companies hopping on the nft train so they aren't oblivious to crypto at allcrypto was always the answer
>>273039612JKs are minors
>>273043675That's who you are, projecting dipshit
Will this faggotry spill over to figs?
>>273044625This will cover everything that feminists don't like eventually.
>>273044625>>273044686Worst case scenario it’ll affect international versions of shops like Ami, Chinese included because they censor everything anyway.
>>273045063Worst case scenario is that no country on the planet will be allowed to produce anything that they don't approve of. We're already 75% of the way there. They're using government protectionism of banks to create soft global communism.Every country should make debanking a felony and just shut down any idea that they'll ever be allowed to do this again, starting with America.
>>273044625Amazon already does this.
>>273027832kek
>>273019330That's what's going to happen
>>273045614PETTAN PETTAN TSURUPETTAN YOUJO LOUISELOUISE'S BREASTS ARE SO FLAT SHE'S CONSIDERED A CHILD BY AMAZONPOINT AT LOUISE AND LAUGH
>>273046226>PETTAN PETTAN TSURUPETTANDamn we had it so good bros
>>273039065>what exactly stop any company to create their own "mastercard"?Banks. Creating independent payment processors has been tried before, but if banks are unwilling to cooperate then it all fails. The only true way to get off the current system is to use crypto, but people aren't adopting it at a sufficient level yet.
>>273017726>>273017845>now doujin authors will freak out more when chuds share their illegal copies from sukubei and sadpanda>thus, they will trust more on Fakku and their jewish DMCA practiceThank you Trump!Truly the benefits of the free market are working!
>>273017799You’re right, OP is making a butthole out of a belly button
>>273017986If you were here all the time you would notice that it’s the same threads every single day
I read this new last week or so, apparently it was because of AI depicting minors, JCB also blocked them.so they are trully fucked, no visa no mastercard no jcb, i guess they could try amex
I don't know what point people are trying to make, but this isn't an immediate thing nor a left vs. right thing (which is counterproductive). It’s an American thing. Artists are being affected by what these payment processors are trying to do and when they’re going to push harder. The websites and artists are trying to fight back and it's hard to predict what the landscape will be like in the future, but to pretend nothing is happening is just dishonest.
>>273046680The authors know DMCAs don’t work outside of the U.S., right?
>>273046680It's cute that they think a significant amount of people would shell out cash to them if it wasn't for all this lesky piracy.>>273046785Didn't someone point out earlier that American Express is still supported?
>>273047059pesky* not lesky
>>273017707Imagine paying for this shit in the first place.
>>273046776dlsite also removed AI-generated category for regions outside of japan so it's definitely a factor
Happened right after the US elections. Looks like P2025 is happening alright. One of their agendas was to ban porn. UN's jumping in to curry favor as well.People did warn you about it. Enjoy those Evangelical cum and No Nut 4 Years. At the very least this will make Japan's entertainment industry to uncouple itself from the west. Less censorship if they pull this right and the censors will only affect the west.
>>273047640Nope.Payment processors threatening Japanese products has been ongoing since at least November of 2022 with Pixiv and other sites mentioned in the replies above.
You guys pay for porn? I hope you at least leak it all widely available otherwise what's the point.
>>273046776I can’t wait for AI to hit critical mass and leave jobless the same censors who are being so ridiculous as to be worried about a fucking machine learning program sent blindly into the net finding examples of minors and holding the stores responsible over it.
>>273047640>2025Qanon for libshits, only stupider because they wrote it themselves.
>>273048172 (me)Actually, I just remembered that the closure of R18.com came first in September of 2022. But that is less anime & manga related other than the cosplay category.
>>273043606Your revisionism is revoltingKill yourself
>>273030324Depends on his mood, really
>>273047640On the bright side, the porn ban will probably what breaks Elon's relationship with the administration, since he's a known coomer and all. Hell, a lot of younger republicans are, wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of in-fighting if P2025 is real.What that means for us is hard to say.
>>273048641See >>273048172This censorship by payment processors precedes the P25 conspiracy.
>>273043606ask me how i know you started browsing this site after 2016go ahead, ask
>>273048276To support artists I like. Same as normal manga.
>>273048915I get the feeling that Westerners at large still fail to realize that both are manga all the same, so paying for eromanga comes off as something completely unthinkable.
>>273046680>Thank you Trump!>Truly the benefits of the free market are working!Let's go 20% - 50% tariffs!
>>273049000They have that weird attitude that paying for pornography is bad but never actually provide reasons for it.Though many of them don't pay for manga either.
>>273048276Hentai is art anon
>>273049027Don't think that was an issue when VHS/DVD rentals were still a thing. 20 years of Internet really did change everything.
>>273049132Pornography still seems like a profitable business even when the distribution has changed.Except for eroanime which feels like it's in a bad state.
>>273048767That guy's a retard since for decades anons have been about freedom first, but you're also a newfag. The earliest iteration of /pol/ goes back to like 2006, and there were two of them.
>>273049264/n/ and /new/ were small boards, as was /pol/ before 2016. They supported fringe candidates like Ron Paul.
>>273049316Pre-election /pol/ wasn't the behemoth it is now, but I wouldn't call it small either. It was more like somewhere around the 10th to 7th most active board or so. In terms of culture it was definitely a more laid back place though, but maybe that was just a reflection of society's overall culture.
>>273046680>thus, they will trust more on Fakku and their jewish DMCA practiceAnd still get pirated.
>>273021026Most debit cards are Visa or MasterCard though. Banks don't run their own payment processors anymore.
>>273049417it was in the top 3 board before 2016 already and as far as being laidback it was 100% 14/88 by that pointthe real inflection point for /pol/ was the 2015 rapefugee crisis in Europe if anything them getting flooded by r/thedonald faggots made them milder for a good long while
