This thread is not a general.I wish to talk about the story and lore of Dragonball Daima.Since we have new information about Supreme Kai's people, what implications do you think it brings? The beings we thought were gods, are actually demons, merely playing gods with lessor beings in other realms. You can see the embarrassment on Supreme Kai's face, when Pansy asks him about it.Also, Where are the Glind trees now?
>>273241240Dragon Ball has the deepest lore.
>>273241240>The beings we thought were gods, are actually demons, merely playing gods with lessor beings in other realms.They aren't, they ascended past their origin to become pure and divine.
All final villains of OGDB, DBZ and DBS were demons>Piccolo>Buu>Zamasu
Zamasu is even more of a hypocrite now.
SHUT UP
>>273241480I guess that's another way of looking at it. Sounds like Glind propaganda though.>>273241504... Jackie Chun
>>273241240>playing godsThey are real gods via divine appointment. That's how celestial bureaucracy works. Someone high up likes the cut of your jib so get made the god of something.Regardless, one thing of note is that King Kai is clearly not a Glind and looks like some kind of insect-catfish race
>>273241529M-M-Majin aren't ningen
>>273241762Shin says that Glorio has a good sense of justice for a majin, which implies he himself isn't included in majin category.Additionaly Zamasu has the strongest sense of justice, his form is literally justice.Therefore neither Zamasu nor any other kai is a majin.
>>273241620I have to wonder how long Toriyama was sitting on the pointy eared tidbit of lore. It makes a lot of sense. There seems to be a great deal of consistency. I don't think he just made it up recently. He must have known since way back when.
>>273241240>Supreme KaiFound the dubfag
>>273241240I think the reveal about shin species being genderless was kinda pointless
>>273242060There are many random characters with pointy ears that have nothing to do with kais or demons though.
>>273241240>playing godsIts a job, don't you remember the whole piccolo/kami backstory?
>>273242060he figured out his visual language relatively early on, back in Dr Slump. pointy ears indicate an otherworldy nature. Round or rectangular ears with a hole denote someone outright alien. a pronounced brow ridge denotes someone more bestial and savage. innocent eyes vs calculating eyes vs angry/determined eyes.Dragon Ball Z and onwards let him really have fun with it by having those traits change between transformations to better communicate the nature of the form. It was probably only recently that he got the idea that all these 'otherworldly' beings share a common origin in the dai-makaiSomeone pointed out the other day that great apes also have pointed ears, so he might even have brought back that old GT trivia that the oozaru is the saiyan people's original form, and reveal that they too came from the dai-makai
>>273242341>>273241620Supreme Kai, and his upper echelon, are the ones who set up the system wherein all the lower divine beings governWell, at least that was true before Super introduced Lord Zeno and the angels. That's where we learn Supreme Kai answers to a higher authority.
>>273241240When will you learn what dualism is?
>>273242513Probably never, since it doesn't have any relevance to my life. We all weren't born with hippie parents that made us read spiritual nonsense.You can explain if you like. I'll read your post at the least.
>>273242255>that have nothing to do with kais or demons though.as far as we knowI bet dollars to donuts the pink Yardrats also came from the demon realm
>>273242574A theme of many polytheistic religions is that gods don't have to be entirely good or bad, they can be both. This is a result of many cults fighting over the millennia over their deity being the best and right. This is results in many modern fantasy writers trying to work in duality into their works. Not sure why anyone would read or watch eastern fantasy media and not expect to see polytheistic ideas about the hierarchies and positions of deities in the heavens other dimensions.
>>273242795They can even turn into mortals to have sex with mortals. Often non-consenting sex.
>>273242795That's neat and all, but then what makes a god a god?
>>273241480Do they have the god ki thing though I forget
>>273243621I think so, zamasu did right?
>>273243585whatever you believe is a god. in greek mythology even the concepts of an empty void and emotions could have been described as gods.
>>273245405That doesn't really make sense. Because most people don't even know what the gods are. And yet, when they die, they're in the hands of the gods. So the gods themselves are independent of your belief in them. How do the gods define themselves as gods?
>>273243621YesDende even made a comment in the Moro arc that since he's only been a god for a few years he had built up very little god ki to share with GokuMeanwhile in the same arc the south supreme kai used to have shitloads of god ki but between getting absorbed by Buu for thousands of years and the subsequent fission and fusion bullshit it all ended up in Uub after Kid Buu reincarnated
>>273245507>So the gods themselves are independent of your belief in them.Religion, mythology, and spirituality are based on faith. I don't think you can explain it more simply than that.
>>273242500Didn't the leak say Goku gets a new form that looks like SS2 with bigger hair, no eyebrows, and pointy ears?
>>273245668I have to say, this idea of dualism isn't changing my perspective on my original statement. If only faith and religion decides what a god is, then it's exactly what I said. That Demons are merely playing gods within the realms of lessor beings.
>>273241240They use the term majin which generically just means magic person and is just localized as "demon" because that's how westoid culture interprets any non-christian "magic person".Things like magicians, genies, etc.. are also called majin.>>273242795Also this.>>273245507>>273243585This varies a lot throughout the planet's hundreds of religions. In Japan the main religions are Shinto and Buddhism (christianity is extremely fringe there with only 1% adoption and people mostly having a basic pop culture understanding of it due to westoid shit). In Buddhism mortals can become divine beings and in Shinto they are more like a part of nature.
>>273245765Dualism was sort of a separate concept built on top of what makes a god a god. Religion and spirituality entirely based on the history of a location. are gods and legends real or not, that's entirely faith based. Are gods exaggerated stories about ancient people, or just folk tales and stories passed down through generations? That's for you to decide.
>>273245879>They use the term majin which generically just means magic person and is just localized as "demon" because that's how westoid culture interprets any non-christian "magic person"This can't be true. Because the demon realm is depicted as particularly dangerous and unholy. It's a place where might makes right. Everyone is subjugated as slaves, and evil reigns. I get that not every majin is evil. But even Supreme Kai notes that Glorio has an unusual sense of justice for a majin. So such traits are not thought to be common in that realm.
Do the lesser Kai have divine ki? From what I recall, Goku didn't sense King Kai. They never made a big deal out of it though.
>>273245765>>273246005If you're concerned with what assigns the gods of the universe specifically in dragon ball. The Kaioshin and Gods of destruction are technically under the authority of the angels and grand priest. It's assumable the Zeno and angels assign the kaioshin to be creator gods because of their magical creation powers that allow them to make entire planets.
If a mortal can become a Destroyer, is it possible for them to become Kai? For instance, if Goku became Supreme Kai, wouldn't Beerus' position be much more stable? After all, if anything happened to Shin, Beerus is toast.
>>273242500>>273245725Yu Yu Hakusho was derivative of Dragonball, but now Dragonball will become derivative of YYH and give Goku demon blood.
What do the lesser Kai even DO? King Kai was apparently doing fuck-all before Goku showed up. Considering that he was weaker than Nappy by his own admission, what even are his responsibilities?
>>273246180So kaioshin aren't demons "pretending" to be gods. They literally can make new planets and change the course of species on those planets.
>>273246005The people being enslaved are also majin.The term is generic, it doesn't necessarily mean good or bad. The people we see there are generally just regular ass people who have a magic attribute.Also, this good/evil worldview is mostly a christian thing. The rest of the planet doesn't really view things in this way.
>>273245516Interesting
>>273246243they watch shit and report it to kaioshin. They observe civilization progress and try to help mortals defend their planets when asked by planet guardians. Assuming kami is any indication of anything else in the universe.
>>273246293>The people being enslaved are also majin....and...?>The term is generic, it doesn't necessarily mean good or bad.And yet, there is a dividing line between those in the demon realm, and those out of it. The ones in it, don't think of themselves as gods. Panzy is impressed that Supreme Kai is a god. So in some sense, she recognizes godhood as some elevated station above her.>>273246246Their powers are impressive. But don't appear to be born from any sort of divinity. It seems that they just happened to have the right genes to pull off some crazy magic.
>>273246512>>273246474This is not the general thread, fuck off.
Imagine the grease on Jiren's gloves and the ass-smelling breath of Goku after he QUAAAAACKS from a punch immediately after this
>one chance at life>not being able to attain Z Brolly levels of power and physique and fly around at mach level speeds and blow everything up while nothing could stop meDay ruined
>>273246515How much more powerful than human does something have to be, to be considered a god in your eyes? Asian cultures would literally worship their ancestors as spirits and gods in some cases.
>>273246386King Kai also specifically oversaw and advised Goku going to Namek to prevent Frieza from becoming immortal, which would be bad for the entire galaxy
>>273246672>fanart>cuck fantasiesMeanwhile in canon.
>>273246641No. King Kai wanted Goku to avoid meeting Freeza at all costs. He had no idea Freeza was on Namek until after Goku had slreasy set off. As farcas he knew, Goku stood no chance.You have to understand that at the time, Freeza was the closest thing in the universe to a god. Putting aside the Kai and Destroyers, Freeza was an unstoppable force. Even in his weakest state with a powerlevel of 500k, he was considered impossible for anyone to beat. The next strongest guy, Captain Ginyu, was less than 180k. The only entities in the universe who could take him were the Kaioshin, Majin Boo (sealed away), Beerus and Whis. Cell hadn't been created yet. Also that one goat guy from Super I guess.To put things into perspectivd, Freeza was basically doing Beerus' job.
>>273246597It's hard to put into words, but I'll try. To me, a god is something that has authority, not because it was given authority, not even because it took authority, but because it is the embodiment of what it represents. It is the representation of a function of the universe.You could say that certain creatures were made gods, because they perform a function for the universe. But they were appointed. A true god would not be appointed. It would just be. It's not really a rational idea, which is why I can't really put it into words. It's self creating. "I am god, because it's what I am".The closest thing that comes to that in Dragon Ball is Zeno. Because as of now, there is no one higher than him. I suspect he may not even be the top. But for now, we have to assume he is. And nothing defines his existence, except for himself. He is a real god.
>>273246882He didn't want Goku to fight Frieza but he still very much didn't want Frieza's men to gather all the dragon balls
>MMM YUMMY! These Glind fruits sure are tasty! Hehehehehe!
>>273246940You just described western monotheism. which isn't really what eastern or most ancient civilizations and tribes are based on. Most fantasy anime and manga operate on polytheism where many levels of higher beings can affect mortal life.
>>273246940>>273247499And zeno himself isn't really even eastern or Buddhist or monotheist concept but rather a Metafictional idea about the intended audience being the most powerful god.
>>273246386Yeah, my understanding is that divine beings in Dragon Ball are just trying to raise the level of sophistication of their respective universes and worlds. They're more like gardeners and it sounds like they mostly just sit around watching over things. They're also fallible and sometimes have bad or conflicting judgement.>>273246882>Freeza was the closest thing in the universe to a godThe gods aren't necessarily powerful.>>273246940Buddhas, Bodhisattva, etc.. all started out as humans. You kind of have to take into account that the English term, "god", isn't a well defined term, it's applied to concepts from a lot of different religions with totally different rules and cosmologies. Really it's more of an umbrella term that can mean a lot of totally different things depending on the cultural context.
>>273247499Monotheism? No, not necessarily. Many gods can embody many functions of the universe. All self-defining themselves respectively. It works on a polytheistic level. But that's not what I'm seeing in Dragon Ball. In Dragon Ball, the so called "gods" are appointed. Not self defining. Supreme Kai felt more godly, when you just assumed his position existed by some law of the universe. Not because they were just opportunistic mages, who migrated to fertile land. Face it. They're demons.
>>273247710Imagine being this westoid brained.Your argument is literally the same brainlet argument that westoids used in the past to demonize other religions.>my religion says gods have to be this way and everything else is a thing called "demons" that in my religion is defined this way.>Therefore all the gods of other religions aren't gods but actually "demons".
>>273247710But that is monotheism. Angels are higher beings created and appointed by god in western monotheist religions to act as his agents, and aren't considered gods on their own.
>>273247833It's not me saying that though. It's how the majin are portrayed in the show.Piccolo = Demon King = EvilDabura = Demon King = EvilGomah = Demon King = EvilMajin Buu = A creation of pure evil, that fuses with a kai. The pure goodness of the kai begins to infect buu, until he becomes morally conflicted, and is forced to divide again. This time creating two buus. One evil, and one good.I just looked up what the term Daima means, and apparently it's a made up term that can be translated as evil. So evil is right in the title. Toriyama associates those within the demon realm with evil. That's why they're demons. It seems that even demons can purge themselves of evil however. As is shown with Piccolo and Kami, and again with Buu. But even so, these beings come from a demon realm, so they're demons.>>273247852I wasn't describing demons. I said many beings can be self-defining functions of the universe. *You* interpreted that as angels and agents of single god. But that's not what I said.
>>2732416205 different treesDifferent fruits Different racesKibito isn't called shins brother, so it's probably 1 tree is kibito types, one dabura types, one shun types, one kaiohsama types, and one as of yet unknown type.
>>273248114>>273247852>I wasn't describing demonsFug, I meant to say, "I wasn't describing angels."
>>273248124>we get canon Turles>the 'Tree of Might' is a tree that grows strong warrior gods but since it consumes an entire planet it's forbidden to reseed it>the 'fruit of the tree of might' that Turles gorges on are baby warrior gods
>>273248114>>273248173My problem was that if you exclude appointed beings from being gods you are pushing monotheism. If there's a central god every being under him could be in effect said to be appointed by him to their positions in the universe. directly or indirectly.
>>273248203>Kais put their babies in a form that's enticing to animals and insectsAre they stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUDbl9qBihkI can't stand Daima's OP. It reeks of overly sentimental early Dragon Ball nostalgia. From the people that stroke their dicks to the thought of the Pilaf saga. "Ooh, oooooh. Don't you remember? Remember when Dragon Ball was about ADVENTURE? With a boy, and a girl, going around on a mystical quest, full of heart, and humor, and, ah! Why can't we go back to that??" Acting like there was anything more to this than 13 episodes. Dragon Ball immediately shifting to the tournament and fighting format right after.
I for one think dragon ball peaked at pirate cave.
>>273248114>There are evil majin>Therefore all majin are not just evil but the westoid concept: "demons"
>>273241240My theory is that Toriyama knew he was dying and specifically chose to further fuck up the lore
>>273248578It's obviously just aimed at attracting new younger audiences.
>>273248578you're overthinking a mid song
>>273248714The show airs at 11:20PM in Japan.
>>273248383Then don't make a central god?>>273248689>Some Majin aren't evil.>Therefore, all Majin have no predisposition to evil whatsoever. Nurture over nature. Hug emoji.
>>273248578My biggest issue with Daima, with the second being how fuck-awful the pacing has been so far, is that it doesn't feel like OG Dragon Ball no matter how much people try to pretend otherwise or how much others want to try to make me think about of it as it.OG Dragon Ball's adventure took you places. Every new stop on Goku and Bulma was a brand new place with brand new sights with a brand new situation. Goku on Red Ribbon traveled the whole fucking entire world over and every place and every person he saw and met was different.And between those adventures? There was fucking tournaments. Pure fighting. And on the adventure on every new place there was a new adversary for more fightan.Meanwhile the Demon Realm just feels like Sandland 2.0. Just some ugly as shit poo colored wasteland. It's not interesting at all visually which is extremely grave. How do you make a place that's supposed to be all about magic look so drab?You know what Daima it actually feels like? Like Dragon Quest, but worse. The Demon Realm just feels so "constructed" to be like an RPG-sort of world, but as I also mentioned, the place is simply not interesting or compelling, so even as "RPG World" it fails.There's a reason why practically all the positive talk about Daima is "muh animation" and "muh lore", and I can't fault it, because those are by far and wide the most and only interesting things about Daima so far. And in all honesty it's pretty lame how we're coincidentally getting some crumb of lore every episode and then the conversation suddenly stops to then the next piece of lore to be infodumped next episode.
>>273248578>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCVJcq220h0BEAST.
>>273248973Or you can accept there's more than one class of divine beings.
>>273241240now that we have established means of traveling between universes without an angel cube we're 100% getting a movie where frieza gathers the super dragon balls
>>273249442He can't speak the language of the gods, he learned from Namek that just getting the Dragon balls is useless if you can't summon the dragon.
>>273249827he just has to kidnap Zuno, who knows everything
>>273241240All the new lore and retcons in Daima just make me tired. I know retcons galore is pretty par for the course in Dragon Ball, but it feels worse this time. Maybe it's just that it doesn't feel like Dragon Ball lore, but instead lore for something else entirely, like some JRPG pitch that Toriyama had sitting around, which then got retrofitted into Dragon Ball.It's not like the show is lacking in fight scenes or anything, so I'm not being starved for action. I just find everything else so disengaging. The "everyone's kids again!" premise was already disengaging enough, god damn.
>>273249375I'm not sure which conversation you're responding to.But I'm just going to say, that I haven't been given a reason to believe Kais are truly divine. Since they haven't shown anything more than power. And power alone is not divinity.
>>273250026Toriyama pulled tons of ideas from other manga and anime, tv, and film, and his own works for the original dragon ball run from 1984-1995. Astro Boy, My Son Goku, Star Wars, Devilman, Guyver, Ultraman, Godzilla, Hokuto no Ken, Alien, Predator, Jackie Chan. Acting like the new stuff doesn't fit is kind of weird.
>>273250062provide a nontrivial noncontroversial definition of god
>>273241240>>273250062Honestly the idea of them basically LARPing as gods appeals to me greatly.It's kind of like Gnosticism, where the creator of this world (the Demiurge) and their "angels" (Archons) are really just imprisoning souls in flesh to worship them.Part of me wishes that's some kind of hidden meaning behind this, but I doubt it.
>>273250105See, that's kinda part of the problem. Dragon Ball is rife with parodies and references, but this doesn't quite feel like that. This feels like Toriyama making a pretty sincere JRPG setting that very well could have been its own thing and then stapling it onto Dragon Ball.
>>273250387well yeah, it's him partially copying sand land, dragon quest, blue dragon, gt, and heroes. He often references his own works in addition to other creators'.
I’m really enjoying DBD so far. Decent amount of humour and fights. The pace isn’t too bad like it was for early GT.DAIMA WONDERLAND!
>>273245516>Dende even made a comment in the Moro arc that since he's only been a god for a few years he had built up very little god ki to share with GokuWhen in the arc was that? I don't remember.
>>273241504>were demonsAt the timePiccolo is some plant based alienBuu is some magic homonculusAnd Zamasu is what ever the fuck a Kai is supposed to be (Space Elf Mohican)The closest thing to actual demons would be pic related.I considered Dabura but he got a halo, so... He was just a demon looking alien.I have not watched Super or Daima
>>273246776>Touching the autist's securiy blanketThe movie would have ended there if he didn't have that collar on.
>>273246882>Goku had slreasy set off. As farcas he knewAnon, you're drunk.Gimme your keys.
do you honestly believe toriyama thought through any of this...
>>273250832namekians were retconned back to being demons
>>273251199Was Lord Slug ever explained?
>>273251199*makaijin
>>273251224no.
>>273248973There are many completely different species there.Also, many polytheistic religions across the planet have central gods. Your logic is basically saying Odin is a true god and Thor and everyone else are just demons.
>>273250359Cringe westoids like this are the reason we get retarded localizations.
>>273251525Yeah I didn't even think about how he would look at god families. Are they supposed to be a function of the universe to be gods?
>>273248114>Piccolo = Demon King = Evil>Dabura = Demon King = Evil>Gomah = Demon King = EvilChichi's dad also held the title of demon king though.Which makes me wonder, is demon monarchy hereditary like real kings. Is Chichi currently a "demon queen" by technicality after her father's retirement, making Goku a demon king consort, and Gohan a demon prince long before he was trained by Piccolo.
>>273251765chichi's dad was the ox king not demon king
>>273251825Gyuu maou, ox demon king. English dropping the "ma" part isn't canon.
>>273248728So they better give me some fucking blood and gore at some point
>>273251765That wasn't his title or position, just what the people called him. He was a bandit.
>>273241447only matched by yugioh.
>>273252200the ma in maoh means evil
>>273243585They get worship. That's it.
>>273252838the only difference between a bandit called king and a real king is how successful they are at taking people's money. theft becomes collecting tithes when people accept it as the status quo
>>273254321It means 'demon' or 'magic'. Akuma means 'evil demon'.
>>273254400Akuma means evil villain
Panzy is my one and only god
>>273245516What even is the difference between god ki and normal ki? That normal mortals cant sense it?
>>273246190A mortal can also become a lesser kai like kami or dende so it could be possible
>>273241240>Daima Movie>「ドラゴンボール ダイマ: 孫悟空が風呂に入りたくないなら、誰が強制するんだ!!!!!????」>("Dragon Ball Daima: If Goku Doesn't Want To Bathe, Who Will Force Him!?")K-Kino!
>>273246257Maybe that's why he farted in daima
>>273242500Saiyan coming from the dai-makai honestly makes way more sense than it should considering how wanked out they are.I just find it funny how Dragon ball is slowly going from Aliens being wanked to Demons being the top. Literally the only alien worth a damn is Freeza. Even the likes of Zarbon and Captain Ginyu are complete jokes compared to most demons.
>>273243585Depends very heavily on the religion.
>this thread is not a general>its a general>its people trying to fuse together the non-canon dogshit that is anything past Z with it desperatelyWhen are you going to fucking get it?
>>273250387I think, honestly, it's mostly a attempt to better fuse the more mystical elements with the Sci fi ones. Early Dragon Ball was mostly mythical. Later Dragon Ball, outside of Buu, was mostly space. I think that frustated him and he wanted to bring back some of the wonder he had writing the earlier works.
>>273256875King Kai has a pointy-eared monkey so that's another connection. Maybe when the heroes will go 2nd Demon World they will see oozarus hanging around as a reveal shot.
>Daima is not canon.>Super is not canon>any form of lore inserted after the end of Z is completely invalid fanfictionREPEAT AFTER ME, you fucking DOGS.
Gogeta? SAVED Broly from being the victim of a bloody murder.
>>273257091There are no black guys in frieren, its been ethnically cleansed.
>>273257070Gogeta quite literally wanted to murder Broly albeit.
>>273250585early GT's pacing is objectively better than Daima's you lying faggot. By episode 7 in GT they were on the THIRD planet. Meanwhile in Daima? Still doing nothing on the wasteland.
>>273249140This.
>>273257266Gogeta's Final Kamehameha scared Broly so much his power level fell below Dende's to the point Shenron could teleport him without asking.
daima is fucking gayit's retarded babies farting and shitting in a desert
>>273257474oh boy
>>273257210What a tank.
I shart when i fart.
>>273257888
>>273256940>its people trying to fuse together the non-canon dogshit that is anything past Z with it desperatelyAfter GT.
>>273256999>any form of lore inserted after the end of Z is completely invalid fanfiction..except for DBGT.
>Biggest DB-Tuber with over 1 million subs>Makes a video about the new Dragon Ball series>Scrapes 100K views in over a weekIt's over. Most fans don't give a shit about Daima
>no scene of Panzy washing Goku in the showerI don’t like Daima anymore.
Can't tell if I'm just being a dumbass but how does the Demon Realm actually work?It makes sense for it to just be Universe 7's Demon Realm that Daima takes place in, but Shin keeps specifying "Universe 7" whenever he talks about Earth. There also seems to be a lot of different travelling between universes going on, so do all universes share the *same* demon realm?Daima is pretty water-tight lore wise so I don't want to chalk it down to "Toriyama didnt think about it" status, but it is bothering me how wishy washy this detail is right now
>>273258359Its one Demon Realm for every universe. The databook is a fanfic.
>>273258359the portal fish can take you between universes, so they don't assume all visitors are from universe 7
>>273258359It’s more like this.
>all these retards babbling about surface level religious allegoryEmbarrassing. I will now demonstrate how Jiren's characterization embodies the many nuances and methodologies of Zoroastrianism, one of the most ancient religions.Jiren uses unconventional methods to seek justice, eschewing close bonds in order to focus on his singular strength. This is at variance with official positions on the matter, hence the heterodoxical aspect of his character, which is a prime component of Zoroastrianism.Jiren's conduct is unwavering and altruistic, even to a point of harm in the manga. This underscores his orthopraxic nature.Jiren embodies dualism in cosmology as well, which is the belief that two fundamental and opposing concepts exist: in this case, good vs evil. This is the basis upon which Zoroastrianism was built.However, Jiren doubts his nature due to his past trauma and, later, his defeat at the hands of Universe 7. This is a nod to eschatology, which is concerned with the ultimate fate of humankind.While not to be called "worship", Jiren is socially ranked beneath Belmod, a god, and acknowledges the existence and authority of the other gods, which is a nod to henotheism/monotheism, again a component of Zoroastrianism's core beliefs.Jiren's ultimate goal is innate oneness, that is, the perfect balance and harmonious interweaving of body, mind, and soul. This is a subtle reference to monism, which attributes oneness to a concept.And finally, Jiren obviously believes in multiple deities, which reflects polytheism.There you have it. Jiren is literally based on one of the most ancient and complex religions in existence. An absolutely fascinating character that has enriched not just Dragon Ball, but the whole of literature.
>>273258383How does that personally affect you?
>>273258359The Demon realm has the same Namekians from universe seven.
>>273258129This. Even Pan was implied to have given Goku baths while they were traveling in space (she was efficient in dressing up her kid-sized grandpa whenever he got naked)
>>273258531And here is Pan dressing up her shrunken grandpa!
>>273258497>doesn't even bother denying it
>>273257940GT was never canon (to the manga).
>>273257940GT was always canon (to the manga).
>>273256875All life originated from the Demon Realm [raughs]
What broke him?
Wipe your ass, Goku
>>273259111No, because gt includes filler from z and features cameos of villains from the z movies which were confirmed by toriyama to be non-canon long ago.
>>273259675I wish Panzy would wipe my ass...
>>273259700Proof?
>>273259762The anime itself and pic related.https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-6-akira-toriyama-super-interview/
kek
>>273259911Dragon Ball GT is not a movie.
>sabrina was inspired by the doll guy from grande tacoToei I kneel
>>273260091No, but it features Cooler, who is from the z movies.Toriyama also called GT a "side story", which in japan is many times used as in meaning not canon (japanese don't use the word canon much, so most times they say parallel world, alternate dimension or side story).
>>273260261And here is my source about Toriyama's comment about gt.
GT? Not canon.GT Pan? Shit.
>>27326024Why did you crop it?https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/273246153/#q273248444
>>273250263Impossible.All definitions of god are trivial. As humans have created the very idea of god, the concept cannot escape the limits of our imaginations. And that's why if you want to portray a god(or gods) in a story, you have to create something that we cannot fully grasp. So as to prevent us from witnessing the triviality of it.Here in Daima, Toriyama is deliberately showing us that the distinction of god and demon is trivial. When Panzy asks about Supreme Kai Shin's position, he's visibly uncomfortable being shown reverence by Goku. This is likely in part because he still doesn't know Pansy that well. And also due to the fact, that the demons would have different ideas of what it means to be a god than humans would. And so he doesn't want to sound overly pretentious. From Panzy's perspective, she sees it as a business venture, asking if Shin has profited from taking control over a larger and more fertile realm.And who is to say she's wrong for looking at it like that? Even Piccolo states that the Namekians left, because they don't like to be ruled. So their leaving the demon realm wasn't some high minded godly ascension. It was a migration to find a land where they can be their own rulers. I predict we're going to see something similar with the Glinds. Which is the reason for the divide.
>>273260424Janren
>>273260261>NoExactly.>Cooler,Is there any proof that it's the same Cooler? >who is from the z moviesAre there more characters?>"side story", which in japan is many times used as in meaning not canon (japanese don't use the word canon much, so most times they say parallel world, alternate dimension or side story).GT the continuation of the Dragon Ball series.
>>273260307>"of the original Dragon Ball"And there it is.
>>273251525I fail to see why different species matter. Are demons only allowed to come in a single form?>>273251753Doesn't Thor and the others all have functions? Thor is like some kind of thunder god, right? What about the others? The Greeks have a god of war, and a god of fertility, and a god of this, and a god of that. They're embodiments of various aspects of the universe.
>>273260540>>273260573So you're the Pan retard who keeps mass-replying in every thread.I won't bother reasoning with you anymore since you're an autistic and delusional retard who also lacks both logic common sense.
>>273260681Proof
>>273256940>>its a generalIt's not. In the general, everyone just shitposts random stuff from the entire Dragon Ball franchise. It's a mess. This thread is dedicated to talking about the lore of Daima. I made it to hopefully filter out the rabble. I wasn't sure if the thread would make it beyond 3 posts. But surprisingly, it's still up, and doing a good job at staying on topic. So I'm happy. Well, at least up to this point. I haven't scrolled down yet to see what the rest of the thread looks like. Hopefully, it isn't a bunch of random Dragon Ball shitposts.
>>273241240>I wish to talk about the story and lore of Dragonball Daima.There's a theory going around that the Saiyans origin (pre-Planet Vegeta) might have originated or has something to do with the demon realm. "But their ears are round" that's the only thing that makes it not true maybe they were banished a long time ago or something.. What yall finna think??
>>273256970>Maybe when the heroes will go 2nd Demon World they will see oozarus hanging around as a reveal shot.That will be a real surprise. I like that idea.>>273258359I'm thinking it's the same Demon Realm for all universes.
>>273256762This animation is devoid of all soul
IN THE NAME OF THE MOON, ILL DEFEAT YOU KAKAROT!
>>273260721Hey, Pan-anon. Stop picking on other anons. And stop posting pan in my thread. I would rather the thread die, than get spammed by an off topic debate over whether or not GT is canon. Go make your general thread and shoot fish in a barrel there.
Gigi.
>>273241289>There's no way they could have heard the conversation amongst the noisy spectators, right?Anyone who knows about fighting could see that something wasn't right.>If there's no Earth, then what use is education?So, you believe that Gohan should sacrifice his dreams for the sake of the Earth?>Why did it grow that way? I mean, Chichi must have styled it like that?Hmm, I think he was born with it.>Pan did nothing to that Machine Mutant. Remember how Trunks grabbed Giru and was visibly angry?Trunks wasn't angry, he was frustrated...>It would've taken them longer had Pan not begged Trunks to visit planet M-2?Yes, but think about the benefits of not having to deal with Pan's antics.>It will need to be tomorrow..Today?>Dr. Myuu's reaction..That was the reaction of a weakling...>We haven't established whether or not 18 has a soul..What makes you think she doesn't have a soul?>o-okay..Good.>Tomorrow..Today?>How long would it have taken them to find that oasis? Pan was the one who led them to it..Was the oasis important?>It's assumed that he robbed the locals of their energy..The locals? That isn't much...>Very.That's because they never expected it from Lood.>We can agree that Baby is stronger than General Rilldo?He must be...>Than his form that supposedly resembled car parts? Yes.The junkyard Rildo is the version that is allegedly stronger than Buu?>I don't remember Pan acting "goofishly". She was trying to remain obscure from the Machine Mutants..You don't remember??? The fact that she was trying and failed is what makes it comical.>No one could have known about Haze's secret technique, not to mention that is was a literal swamp..That's because Pan lacks perspicacity.>And what about when Goku did exactly the same thing to Giru?Goku didn't hurt him...>Then, he could have rewarded Goku for his good deeds? And a shiney medal would be nice..Maybe he doesn't havethe funds?
>>273241326>I'm begining to think that Dr. Gero may not have been such a great scientist. Why? Because his ideas were inefficient, pointless and all he had to do was focus on Goku's weaknessess, which would've easily attained his objective (Goku can't breathe in space).I think he was a great scientist, but he was definitely a terrible antagonist, simply because he was stupid, he knew his creations had a tendency to disrespect him and he still went ahead and made more and more.>I still need to find it..Okay...>I'm confident you aren't going to see the same type of humor as we all saw in DB. I will admit that I'm engrossed in the story, which is something I did not feel watching Super..I know, but that type of humor was Toriyama's signature humor, without it, it makes the story bland, I mean, the pace of the story is kind of slow, so think that each episode should be memorable, and to be honest it really isn't. >Why does she need the support of other characters? What differences would it have made? Besides, these characters were nowhere to be seen (except for Kuririn) during the Buu arc.Because she's a nobody, and if she had been incorporated along side the old characters, her assimilation would have been more organic instead of forced.>GT had less episodes..64 is a lot...
>>273261283
lol ol ool lol
>>273261057Pan will be posted in every single Dragon Ball thread, as it should be.
>>273256875>even the likes of Zarbon and Captain Ginyu are jokes compared to most demonsMost demons are human-tier. They can't control or sense ki, they don't even seem to know martial arts. Hell, this entire thing began because the Demon King is afraid of Goku and friends because they can fly without magic and doesn't even know what ki blasts are.Honestly seeing Golrio using a gun and Goku beating up enemies with simple martial arts is refreshing.
Muttly is a cuck.
>>273261371
>>273246190Future Trunks is technically a Kai apprentice since he was trained by the Kai and, unlike Gohan in the real timeline, the Kai was killed before Trunks status as Kai apprentice was removed; so he can use godly techniques and manages to revive Mai multiple times.This is another of the things in which Super absolutely shits the bed. Future Trunks is both technically and de-facto a god (since he's the only earthling capable of taking over Dende) so he should've been able to go Rosé.Pinning Zamasu against a mortal that became god would've been actually cool instead of the fused Zamasu bullshit.
>>Implying SIGMAly has an romantic feelings for this green lady
>What do you want, uncouth warrior of Universe 7? I already said I refuse to fight you.>Hey Jorgen, you got any toilet paper? I really gotta poop.
>this thread is about *MOESHIT FOR PEFOPHILES*ENOUGH.ENTER CHADREN.
ENTER PONYREN
Pan is shit in every dragon ball thread.
>>273262244>>273262228>>273262206>>273262194>>273262166ok, guys. Clearly the mods aren't watching right now. So I'm reliant on your benevolence. Can you please stop posting random Dragon Ball stuff in my Daima lore thread? You're burning through posts like crazy, and it's drowning out the on topic conversation. So can you just go to the other thread and post there instead?
https://youtu.be/nACF-Blij90Daimabros...
>mass reply meltdown
>C-CHADren is here?? AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
>>273262656Toyochad…
>>273241240woke troon shit
>>273261242>Anyone who knows about fighting could see that something wasn't right.Nobody was able to point out any rule being broken. It's not always clear as to what the participants are discussing..>So, you believe that Gohan should sacrifice his dreams for the sake of the Earth?Didn't the Earth end up getting destroyed?>Trunks wasn't angry, he was frustrated...Either way, he was still hostile towards Giru. How come he never received negative criticism, whereas Pan received nothing but scorn..>Yes, but think about the benefits of not having to deal with Pan's antics.What antics?>Today?Hopefullly, yes..>That was the reaction of a weakling...Dr. Myuu created the second most powerful villain of all time.>What makes you think she doesn't have a soul?Her body being completely transformed, which meant that she would have to be dead to finish the process.>Today?Hopefully, yes..>Was the oasis important?Yes. It was necessary for the replenishment of the ships fuel level.>The locals? That isn't much...Dr. Gero may have taken energy from the officials in Hell?>That's because they never expected it from Lood.It still proves that Pan is very strong.>He must be...And Pan survived being hit by Baby, right?>The junkyard Rildo is the version that is allegedly stronger than Buu?No. General Rilldo's first appearance was stronger than Buu..>You don't remember??? The fact that she was trying and failed is what makes it comical.Despite the accident, she still managed to evade the Machine Mutants security and continue on with her objective.>That's because Pan lacks perspicacity.And what about Goku? He fell victim to Haze's swamp. It was all thanks to Pan bringing along Giru that saved the day.>Goku didn't hurt him...What? They both did exactly the same thing..>Maybe he doesn't havethe funds?He's the autocratic leader of Earth, and you are telling me that no funds are availble??Continued..
>>273261277Continued..>I think he was a great scientist, but he was definitely a terrible antagonist, simply because he was stupid, he knew his creations had a tendency to disrespect him and he still went ahead and made more and more.Why didn't he just create something like the Destron gas? Goku cannot fight a literal gas..>I know, but that type of humor was Toriyama's signature humor, without it, it makes the story bland, I mean, the pace of the story is kind of slow, so think that each episode should be memorable, and to be honest it really isn't.Daima is doomed to be yet another Super?>Because she's a nobody, and if she had been incorporated along side the old characters, her assimilation would have been more organic instead of forced.Didn't every character start out as a nobody? We already knew Pan existed in the EoZ, so it's not like no one didn't know who she was.>64 is a lot...Some say that's too few..
>>273262740They're dualistic plant gods, they don't work by human rules.
>p-please g-go away, you are too powerful for me...! *sob*BOOOOOOOOM!!ENCHADREN CHAD JiCHAD, little BITCH.
>>273262578>>273262740Where did it all go so wrong?
>>273260883Goku's grandmother is from the demon realm.
>>273262740Namekians don't have genders either, you stupid fucking zoomer.
>>273262942Namekians don't have several among them who are very clearly women, diapershitter.
>>273262740>we don't genders>please ignore the giant tits on my non-sister sibling>>273241240how about the fuck up about the size of the demon realm? In the buu arc, kaioshin said "If you are the strongest in this realm, then dabura is the strongest in the demon realm" giving off the impression that is an entire universe on its own. Now we find out it's merely three small planets and that's all
>>273263022>uhh b-but if I move the goalpostsI accept your concession.
>>273263048The goalposts haven't moved at all, xister.
>teen crossboarder lingoDone.
>>273262740Problem?
>>273263022>>273263037They reproduce by tree, so they don't have a technical gender. The tree produce both male styled and female styled beings because a lot of trees have both sexes.
>>273263133Never look up what HE looks like kek
>>273262942Namekians don’t look like women.
>>273246512What the fuck is this real?
>>273262740>>273262917>>273263037>>273263106Umm stop being transphobic, please? These are very obviously not male or female. Can't you tell?
I just want to take Arinsu’s massive meaty member until she calls me a good boy.
>>273263243Degesu...
>>273262791>Nobody was able to point out any rule being broken. It's not always clear as to what the participants are discussing..But we were...>Didn't the Earth end up getting destroyed?Was that his fault?>Either way, he was still hostile towards Giru. How come he never received negative criticism, whereas Pan received nothing but scorn..Trunks never tortured him, while Pan took pleasure while making him suffer.>What antics?All of them...>Hopefullly, yes..Okay...>Dr. Myuu created the second most powerful villain of all time.Who?>Her body being completely transformed, which meant that she would have to be dead to finish the process.We don't really know what the process was, but the fact that she's alive serves as proof that she does have a soul.>Hopefully, yes..Okay...>Yes. It was necessary for the replenishment of the ships fuel level.Water? You can find that all over space.>Dr. Gero may have taken energy from the officials in Hell?I don't think that's possible, even if he did, it wouldn't be enough...>It still proves that Pan is very strong.We just don't know HOW strong...>And Pan survived being hit by Baby, right?That's because he never tried to kill her.>No. General Rilldo's first appearance was stronger than Buu..I don't believe in that...>Despite the accident, she still managed to evade the Machine Mutants security and continue on with her objective.The machine mutants were extremely weak...>And what about Goku? He fell victim to Haze's swamp. It was all thanks to Pan bringing along Giru that saved the day.He fell victim because of Pan, if it weren't for Pan everything would have run smoothly...>What? They both did exactly the same thing..Nah, Goku never attacked Giru.>He's the autocratic leader of Earth, and you are telling me that no funds are availble??I mean, I don't think he is even a part of the government...
>>273263133>this is the type of people Daima is attracting outside of 4chanThe series really should've ended with Heroes, i prefer having braindead fightfags in the fanbase over those creatures.
>>273262823>Why didn't he just create something like the Destron gas? Goku cannot fight a literal gas..Did the gas work?>Daima is doomed to be yet another Super?Not necessarily, I don't it will, I just think it lacks what DB had, it lacks Toriyama's input.>Didn't every character start out as a nobody? We already knew Pan existed in the EoZ, so it's not like no one didn't know who she was.Every character started as a nobody, that's why it's important to have the character be a part of the main group.>Some say that's too few..Most anime don't go beyond 24 episodes...
>>273262935Who are you quoting?
>>273263243Gloryhole…
>>273263205Well yeah they don't reproduce so they aren't male or female.
>>273263147I want to FUCK that tree.
>>273263299>i prefer having braindead fightfagsYou're not a real fan, you're just an amateur.
>>273263476That doesn't look like Piccolo
>>273263487I've been a fan of Dragon Ball since before you were born.
>>273263496It's Dende.
>>273263496That's Nail's cousin, his name? Ambatukam.
>>273263487
>>273242214If Glinds are genderless then what does Dr. Arinsu need with such curvy hips, pouty lips, and massive breasts?
>>273263487The pride parade troopers lost.
>>273263496It’s Saonel from Universe 6.
>>273263550SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
>>273263550SPEAKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP
>>273263550To give me nursing handjobs as a reward for my holes non-consensually tanking her massive cock.
>>273263553Salagir…
>>273263550The trees produce male styled kai and female styled kai separately.
>>273263553Pablo...
>>273263642Why?
>>273241240>Gokek has never surpassed a god.KEKAROOOO!
>>273261831>Pan is infintiely better of a character than Goten ever was. And she is also cute, unlike Goten.>>273262550>Daima doesn’t even have good lolis like OG or GT.Pan is adorable. The artists definitely had a lot of fun drawing her and thinking up situations for her to be in. I don't think that's the case with Panzy at all. Unlike Pan, Panzy is very sanitized, from her personality to her outfit. This definitely contributes to Japan's lack of interest in her. Panzy barely has any art on pixiv, for example, roughly 30+ pictures, which is not good. When Japanese artists aren't interested in drawing a twin-tails demoness loli, that's grim times. Feels bad
>>273263642Why would the trees do that if they don't reproduce on their own?
I don't know why you guys are complaining so much, Shin species being genderless means that we have more chances of artists making futa on male porn of Arinsu raping Kid Goku and Bejita in their ass which is hot as fuck if you ask me.
>>273263761Favorite character?
>>273263761ENOUGH FROM THE CLOWN.
>>273263508I'm older than you kid, you're still an amateur.
>>273263695>>273263748They are mythical creatures. They don't have to make sense by human standards. Sometimes the trees make male styled kais, sometimes the trees make female styled kais.
>>273263802Tien
>>273263854Uh huh l'il zoomer.
>>273241240Isn't this just another side story like GT?
>>273263855
>>273263550If she's genderless, that means she doesn't need to cover her massive mammary glands.
>>273263695Because everything even flowers have a male and female counterpart.
>>273263748Just because they don't, it doesn't mean they can't.
>>273263929Do flowers have tits and wide hips? Probably not, right?
>>273263873YAWN.
>>273263948flowers also don't turn into magicians but you're not asking questions about that.
>>273263933Goku got surprised when Raditz revealed that he was a saiyan because he thought he was from the rat race.
>>273263933Why does Goku have breasts?
>>273264003Why don't you?
If Glinds are genderless then what was that hole Mommy Arinsu asked me to stick it in?
>>273263948No but they have other things that let you distinguish them just like kais have tits and cocks
>>273263992Go to bed, sleepyhead.
>>273262740To think the trade off for potentially decanonising Super is making a series where an existing race is now retconned into being androgynous freaks. The fuck? Not that it makes sense given that I've seen two 'Glinds' with tits, so where did they get em from and what are they for? This is clearly a crowd pleaser line for the 'audience that definitely exists' same time tho, the canon of Dragon Ball has been fucked for years, I'd just rather not have blatant faggot shit in it.
>>273263933Is this why they call them "GokuRATs"?
Remember when DB was le DARK and VIOLENT? Daipa would NEVER
>>273263996Right, I'm asking what the genderless magician would need reproductive organs like people for if she doesn't reproduce like people and you're out here talking about flowers like they're at all the same.
Toyo had a more reasonable reaction to the kaioshin tree lore than some posters.
>>273264043
>>273264128Some of the fruit express the male side of the tree. Some of the fruit express the female side of the tree. You can call those parts vestigial.
>>273264062Super can still be canon. The events of Super will take place after the events of Daima will conclude and everything will go back to normal.
Scholars, I tried to give Daima a chance. I really did, but the pacing is so fucking slow. 6 episodes in and still nothing is happening. The animation is nice, but good god, the show is boring. DAIMAku being overly excited when seeing gets tiring fast. Goku eating, sharting and fighting random nameless mooks just isn't good. It seems like Toei wanted to artificially evoke the sense of OG Dragon Ball and it is just so retarded. I am a fightGOD and I really love Dragon Ball because of the epic fights between our HEROES and villains. Daima simply isn't it.
>>273263401>>273263147they might not reproduce, but they clearly have a body type A and B which are clearly designed after biological sexes. So to go by a technical "but actually they are not", is just retarded.It's like saying people who can't have children due to defect sperm or ovaries are not men or women because they can't reproduce.
You will respect THEIR pronouns.
>>273264194Vestigials get evolved out over time like the saiyans of u6 with their tails. But if the Kais were always born like this they wouldn’t have ever needed them long enough to become vestigial down the line.
>>273264245XHEIR*
>>273264245
>>273264062It really doesn't make sense, if the concept of male/female doesn't exist in Shin's race then why in the Buu arc they showed us Kid Buu killing the kais from U7 and all of them looked like guys with the exception of a single one that looks like a female. Like, if they are all genderless why just one of them had tits and the voice of a girl? Toriyama really became so senile that he forgot that Shin refered to the fat Kai that Buu absorbed to become Fat Buu as a male, Goku and the other characters themselves called Shin a guy several times in the Buu arc even in front of him and he never corrected them. This is really just a pointless retcon to please the west, this along with Panzy being a fake loli is really starting to make me think that Toriyama sold out.
>>273264250Sure, I'm stretching the word a bit but quite frankly they're mythical creatures and it doesn't matter if the trees produce male styled kais half the time and female styled kais the other half of time. Some fruits express male characteristics, some fruits express female characteristics. the tree has both and can produce both.
>>273263933>>273263998>>273264074>>273264312
>>273264315I think they did it because they don't want us to masturbate to their characters.
>>273264315it could be because SUPER AND DAIMA ARE NOT CANON?
>Daima makes the Kais androgynous >futa porn of Arinsu immediately skyrockets in quantity
>>273264416People would have to be watching to know or care enough to draw her.
>>273264416It better be futa on male, otherwise there's no point
>>273264315Did Toriyama even have anything to do with Daima? He's been dead for a while now.
>>273264556Daima was made and announced a year ago with him under it. He even admitted to being heavily involved after a time. And he only died in March.
>>273264556Daima started without Toriyama. Toriyama simply came on board later.
>>273264315>if the concept of male/female doesn't exist in Shin's race then why in the Buu arc they showed us Kid Buu killing the kais from U7 and all of them looked like guys with the exception of a single one that looks like a female.Multiverse bro
>>273264315>if the concept of male/female doesn't exist in Shin's race then why in the Buu arc they showed us Kid Buu killing the kais from U7 and all of them looked like guys with the exception of a single one that looks like a female.That was anime filler.
gooning and flashing my dick to random women on twitter rn
>>273264599>>273264641That makes it all canon then, thanks.
>>273248728>The show airs at 11:20PM in Japan.So only crusty old salaryman who are still up can watch this shit? What's the point? Just to pander hard to the nostalgic elderly? There's not even anything in it they'd enjoy. They removed all the sex humor, sexy girls, skimpy outfits, etc
>>273264315I swear to god if this leads to an explanation like Arinsu and the lady Kai used to be men but chose to use troon magic to yassify themself, I'm going to make like a troon and kms (in call of duty Modern Warfare 2 (2009)).
I don't care about that. I want Goku to PUNCH harder and have beam clashes.
>>273264757>ESLKek.
>>273264740The second argument that Shin never corrected people when they refered to him as a male still stands.
>>273262578Is daima making him retarded the hell
>>273262740>bleach out of nowhere
>>273264036Mouth
Can anyone explain the lore reasons as to why Panzy is such a semen demon?
>>273264817>bleach out of nowhere
>>273262648>Choices are either a pervert or making a headcanon about a bad guy Looking for representation in dragon ball is a lost cause kek
>>273265014Royalty
>>273264827Her r34 is going to be ruined by faggotry in the coming months.
>>273264750*Iyoku
>>273264757>, thanksHis name is Thanks?
>>273262578>Hates popo Death to them.
>>273265470I saw porn of her getting plowed by loli futa Panzy on there.
>>273264814>making him retardedThis was before Daima. Screamer?But yes, his opinions on Daima are pretty dumb. I guess not having time to dissect everything on Kanzenshuu means his video are suddenly way less intricate or smart.>>273265774They're all pieces of shit, but I guess a lot of people still called him out for being stupid in this video.
>>273265774>a fat man >with literal black skin>big red lips>no nose>horns>pointy ears>wears Arabian genie clothesHow does ANYONE confuse Popo for an African person?
>>273265815
>>273265774Some people shouldn't have a right to exist. It's a good thing that in this case, this one's chances are 50/50.
>>273241240>what implications do you think it brings?I imagine it's similar to Saiyans and Namekians. The current crop of Glind is so far removed from their ancient Demon World counterparts that they might as well be different species. I do think it would be kind of neat if they tied in beings like Demigra somehow and explained that he was obsessed with his people's origins and thought that they had been stronger as "evil" beings. Even the strongest Core Person (not counting Zamasu, who isn't relevant to Daima but was also piss weak) is nothing compared to the Saiyans, which I imagine would piss off the "evil" Glind.
>>273265996I hate the Glind retcon, Kaioshins used to be supreme Gods, reigning over everything, the highest levels of divinities. Not some random demons.>>273264814>>273265815Things can get worse. Technically SFW, but not safe for eyes: https://i.imgur.com/QF2GlUJ.pngThis is your Dragon Ball youtuber bro.
>>273266056Glind is a shitty name to boot. It doesn’t have any pun or relatable naming convention behind it like Saiyans, or Namekians, or even humans.
>>273266056I do think it's pretty stupid and unnecessary, but it's there so I'll at least think about it what it might mean down the line. Even without the retcon though, they were weak shitters. Divinity doesn't translate to power, as we already knew with Kaio. People always want to talk about Beerus being bullshit because he's so much stronger, but during the Buu arc Shin and Kibito were regularly embarrassed. Shin was scared of someone Vegeta killed in his base form for fuck's sake.I don't think the retcon necessarily makes them any less admirable in that they're divine beings who watch over their universe and try to keep it as prosperous as possible. Shin is ridiculously incompetent but he has a reason to be, since his comrades and master were all killed/absorbed by Buu.>>273266127I was trying to find some kind of Toriyama-esque pun that it would be based on but so far have nothing.
>>273266187>they were weak shitters. Divinity doesn't translate to power, as we already knew with KaioRelativize a little. They were vastly stronger than Freeza, probably more than the androids. And that's Shin, some of the other Kaioshins (the North namely) could fight Buu decently and threaten him. That's pretty insane. They were all powerhouses, it's just that the strongest had died long ago and the remaining one got there one arc too late. Shin would have wrecked a lot of people during the Cell arc, he even managed to stun SS2 Gohan and tank some of Buu's punishment.Kaio was decently strong, probably around 5k or maybe 10 with Kaioken, who knows. Had great techniques. He's really strong on the universe scale but he's below the "elites" (elite Saiyans and mutants/Freeza)
>daima could’ve been anything >the people in charge chose to make it the worst out of everything
>>273265470You say this like people need an excuse to give her a dick.
>>273264827https://files.catbox.moe/ddx59u.png
>>273266127>>273266187Glind is a pun on the japanese word for acorn>This episode reveals that Shin (and presumably all the Kaioshin/Supreme Kai) belong to a race called グリンド人/Gurindo-jin, likely an anagram of どんぐり/donguri, Japanese for “acorn”.
>>273266187Behorehand, the Kaioshins were a race that was naturally born into divinity and are gods of creation. It’s a nice contrast to Gods of Destruction, not in just their roles but their origins too. GoDs are usually mortals that have to apply and become apprentices to obtain godhood. But now the Kaioshins are just some random mook race from the Demon Realm and have absolutely no agency behind them now.
>>273266601That would make sense since Glind/Core People are literally fruit people who grow on trees
>>273266601Of course Piccolo is doing the Makankosappo
>>273266601>more Ultra Bland robots
>>273266395I more refer to the idea that it will consist of nearly nothing BUT giving her a dick. Not that anyone really needs an excuse.
>>273266601>the Dragon Balls are inside their bodiesKEKYWOOPY!
I KEEP FUCKING SHITTING
>>273266425A shitty version of Yggdrasil, the world tree
>>273266771
>>273266771Daima Goku...
>>273265815Who's the qt?
>>273266425See >>273246998
>>273266967The average kanzenshuu poster
>>273266939To think that Daima fags were saying that this version of Goku is much more smart and mature compared to Super Goku.
Daima has DEBUNKED Daiperku btw as Goku canonically shits and uses toilet paper.
>>273266056>>273266187>>273266631What you guys talking about, the Kaioshin are naturally born as powerful creation wizards far beyond the vast majority of other aliens. And the tree lore is supposed to connect to various ideas of world trees in mythology>>273266920Not just Yggdrasil but also the tree of the fruit of good and evil in Judaism/Christianity, the ren shen fruit tree from monkey king lore, the tree adonis was born from. their lore is very god themed in nature.
>>273267157There used to be only like 4 of them and maybe a leader or something. North East South West. Now it's a whole race. Weird.
>>273267181Yeah he added 11 universes. They still rule over entire universes.
>>273267157>the Kaioshin are naturally born as powerful creation wizardsThey job to everything past Frieza
>>273267237It's fucking weird and unnecessary man. I'm not too hung up on this, and I usually don't fret those details too much, but this just seems odd.
>>273267287They create things, they aren't supposed to be ultimate warriors.
>>273267013>Daiper
>>273267287They oneshot Freeza, Shin stunned SS2 Gohan and fought back against Buu (despite getting clapped). He's AT LEAST stronger than Androids, possibly multiple forms of Cell. He hard caps at SS1 Goku or below, for sure, but it's not a stretch to think he'd beat semi perfect Cell.The main one was basically SS3 tier though
>>273267157>And the tree lore is supposed to connect to various ideas of [moeshit]Done.
>>273267309Only strength matters, BITCH.
>>273266662Wdym? That's 'ccolo only move
SCATma is shit
>bumb limit
Bleach won so hard that i feel embarrassed for Daipa Ball.This pointless general should be moved back to /trash/ where you belong.
>>273267739>This pointless general should be mo-BRAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
>>273250832>>273251199Piccolo was always a demon. Being a demon in Dragon Ball is also a spiritual state.
>>273256153it's also way more potent
>>273268510According to what? Your headcanon? What does that even mean? Get the fuck out of my face.
oh wow, a dragon ball thread that isn't 99% DB fight brainrot?Anyway do you guys buy into the theory of arinsu and glorio being towa and mira? I don't see it for arinsu but maybe for glorio?
>>273268639I buy into the theory of Glorio being Arinsu’s sissy slave.
>>273268639spiritually, perhapswill they literally turn into those characters? no
>>273267739>>273267807OP here. This isn't a general. I hate you guys for ruining the thread. When you already have a general running simultaneously. I made this thread specifically because I wasn't getting any traction discussing the game in the general, since you fags spam so much, making it impossible. But here you are anyway to ruin the fun. You're the antithesis to fun.
>>273267739
>UCB babble
>>273248714>>273248728Didn't they officially say Demon Slayer and JJK was their core audience for Daima or was it just the direction and ideas?
>>273269840Probably just animation direction. Most of the story is stuff toriyama's been writing and rewriting for a long time.
>>273241240>The beings we thought were gods, are actually demons, merely playing gods with lessor beings in other realms.Character assassination from a team of writers who have written themselves into a corner by failing to create engaging original lore.
>>273269351ucb??
>>273266771Daipaku...
>>273269941Toriyama was heavily involved in Daima's creation.
>>273270526He also had a fucking brain tumor.
>>273270526...which is why it's so shit.
>>273270609Funny.
>Daima is supposedly inspired by JJK and KnY>it's nowhere near as well-animated or well-written as any of those showsWhat did they mean by this?
>>273270526I'm sorry, did I infer that Toriyamas involvement mattered? Like I said. A team of writers who have written themselves into a corner by failing to create engaging original lore.>Muh toriyamaBe better.
>>273270746>KnY>well-writtenwell-written for fucking what? Curing insomnia? It's the most bland snoozefest ever.
>>273269941Total misreading. This is background lore written to make it seem like dragon ball is about more than punching and energy beams.
Do you need to watch the original Dragon Ball to know what is happening in Daima?
>people ITT are unironically discussing the "lore" of space monkey battle shonen
>>273269941Toriyama was an occultist. He loved demons.
>>273270798>Total misreading.Blah blah.>>273270983Okay?
>>273270938No, Daima is its own fanfic.
>>273270971Mikusis/The R wouldn't say this
>>273270746Some YouTuber spread that myth in order to generate hype.
>>273269941Accurate reading. This is hack writing used to try to force people into caring about the series because the plot isn't interesting on its own.
>>273251329*daimakaijin
>>273269941Daima would probably be more engaging if it cared more about writing a plot than it did about writing a wikipedia page.
We love Daima here.
We hate Daipa here.
If you're atillt skeptical about pic related, keep in mind that Kubota still has to animate more nostalgia bait stills and key animation for Daima.
>>273271225Pumping...
>>273271225*still
>>273270983>Toriyama was an occultistYou're describing Japan in the 1960s-2000s
>>273270526and Superand the Z moviesand Yo! Son Goku and Friends Returns.Alll because of some shitty movie pissed him off.
>>273271288Toriyama was originally going to end the freiza arc with frieza giving up and just eating donuts and becoming bedbound.
>>273270938No. But you'll miss all of the implications in the dialogue. The OG series is fun. You should watch it for the fun of it.
>>273270759Toriyama knows what he's doing. You do no. That's why you don't appreciate the new story. Because lack good taste.
>>273271423>IESLBToriyama is dead. I am alive.
>>273241240Spoilers:We are gonna see Debura and Cell again.cell Jr's too.
>>273271517He lived a more creatively fulfilling life than you can ever hope for. His life counts for 50 times your measly life. It will be a miracle if you can get a single creative project done in your life time.
>>273271615…murmured the ghost of Toriyama as he had to watch Jackie Chan bed his widowed wife once again.
Its not canon, stop talking of it.To top it off, it was written by interns at toei and not toriyama at all, who only said so because he was a greddy little cretin wanting to invoke importance to this woke piece of dogshit.You are debating literal homogenized dragon ball lore written by some intern dog, shut your fucking mouth.
>>273271039>>273270759You expected original lore from dragon ball? It's not that kind of story. It's intentionally and proudly derivative.
>>273266743These CHADS are so much better than the tatamitroons or whatever Daima’s got now.https://youtube.com/shorts/PLiUJXmsCns?si=k_ftt9zhGjc19s7g
>>273270746But it's got all the hallmarks of toriyama's writing. no modern shonen writer would want to write something like sand land. Only toriyama would.
>>273271039if you believed that you would refuse to engage with it on 4chan rather than caring
Does she also come from the demon realm??
>>273271789Its not original, its not good at all.
>>273272372I mean all of dragon ball.
>>273272209She is neither trans nor a goblin, so no.
Why are Glind "women" so fucking hot?
Glind þussy is vegan
Jobeta redemption arc when?
>>273270746KnY is one of the worst battle shonen in existence, it's so hilariously overhyped it makes me think it's some ridiculous conspiracy. The writing is comically bad.
If Kai's don't have gender, how is Goku supposed to fuck West Supreme Kai?
>>273270746Daipa can't compete.
I don't get it.Can Goku not sense Glorio's magic, is that what they're trying to imply? Despite being a magic user himself? The power pole is magic, right?
>>273274151>when the black bvll refuses to cum inside your wife
>>273274169I think that's what they're going for. Majin can't sense Ki. And Goku can't sense magic. Though, knowing Goku, he will eventually develop the sense for magic.
>>273243585welcome to all debate about gods. Gods and powerful wizards are 99.9% identical in all functions, so this bizarre mystical quality that is oft attributed to god is basically just hype. Remove the hype and most gods are just wizards.
>>273270746My theory is that was SENILEyama trying to insult those series by comparing them to the massive load of crap SCATma is, but in the end only his shitty scat bastardized garbage work and reputation are being torn apart.
>>273271347Imagine the dump
I want to make demon babies with Panzy!
>>273274151Based, negro getting slapped
>>273269941>majin = demonswew lad
>>273270798>background lore>specifically pertains to one protagonist and two antagonists and their reasons for caring about the demon realm at all
>>273249140>Meanwhile the Demon Realm just feels like Sandland 2.0. Just some ugly as shit poo colored wasteland. It's not interesting at all visually which is extremely grave. How do you make a place that's supposed to be all about magic look so drab?>You know what Daima it actually feels like? Like Dragon Quest, but worse. The Demon Realm just feels so "constructed" to be like an RPG-sort of world, but as I also mentioned, the place is simply not interesting or compelling, so even as "RPG World" it fails.This feels extra shit. I was expecting the demon world to look like some Disgaea looking strange place, with all sorts of oddities to look at and for Goku to engage with. The sky's the limit with the kinds of unearthly things you could put in a world of devils, but no. It is a [insert desert battle zone here because Toriyama is too lazy to draw a complex arena] type shithole and that's it. Goku even seemingly acknowledges this let down when they first arrived, commenting something like "Wow, this is the demon world? I was expecting more, but it doesn't look much different than my world at all..." And what did Toei do with what they actually had? They had it that the atmosphere is full of sulfuric gas, so Goku can talk about his poo poo pee pee, "Uh oh, stinky!" farts. NiceWhere's the creative department at Toei? Who'd they hire, some revolving door retards? Is all the talent cranking out Precure stuff and the D team is doing Dragon Ball? Seriously, this is the best they could do? Fucks sake, Toei could have done so much better. Disappointing beyond all belief
>>273267157>Not just Yggdrasil but also the tree of the fruit of good and evil in Judaism/Christianity,Why do westoids always think foreign shit is about their culture?Dragon Ball always had a weird cosmology influenced by Buddhism.>>273266056>>273266631Kaioshin's role as "gods of creation" is really just to act as long term caretakers for shit. They don't go around creating planets/life/universe/etc.. >>273267309They don't even do that. They just plan for how life should evolve on planets over very long timespans and rarely do anything unless there is a significant threat to the development of the universe.
>>273274874The gas is an excuse for why battles are much slower. This is a good thing, because choreography won't devolve into just flashes of explosions in the air, as characters teleport faster than the eye can see. You will actually get martial arts again.The smelliness of the gas is just a bonus.
>>273275040>won't devolve into just flashes of explosions in the air, as characters teleport faster than the eye can seewtf, how is toei gonna retain all the ADHD zoomer viewership without random flashes of light and color?
>>273241240Wow I can't believe that the god of this planet/universe turned out to be an alien from somewhere else who arrived in a space ship a long time ago. What an original and unexpected twist.
>>273258531>>273258600>Goku can't even get himself dressed so his granddaughter has to do it for himWhat sort of hell does Chi Chi live in where she has to wipe her husband, dress him, feed him, pay all the bills herself, not get any sort of intimacy from him because he's essentially a big baby, etc?
>>273275148Jesus, Daima is unbearable.
>>273248578Everything I've seen of daima just screams soulless
>The Adventures of Dai>Sandland>DaimaI swear to fuck someone high in power, maybe literally Toriyama himself, was obsessed with bland generic adventureshit.
What little we saw of the demon realm in the Z filler and Heroes was so much better than the lame ass deserts of Daima.
>>273275833Toriyama was perpetually pissed that Sandland wasn't bigger than Dragon Ball.
I didn't particularly have high hopes for Daima, but my god. It might be worse than GT for me so far.
>>273276158I hope to fucking god it's taken as a lesson to stop trying to suck Dragon Ball's dick, and learn the heart of the series is Z.
>>273274482I want Panzy to jump off a cliff and remove herself from the show!
>>273276158>>273276192>ameriburgers are bitching about Dragon Ball again
>>273275847It wouldn’t be off brand for him. He resented his editors for telling him hard truths so much that he unconsciously took inspiration from one of them when it came to designing fat buu.
>>273276719Even the japs aren’t watching Daima, Rajeesh. You lost.
>>273276158>>273276779Let's be fair and wait at least 20 episodes before we judge it
>>273276772>hard truths >bro just bring back Goku from the death for a second time, who cares about rules and stakes
>>273276852The Gohan shit wasn’t popular, simple as. Toriyama was used to infringing on lore and stakes by then.
>>273276821>dude just wait 20 episodes!No. Every other dragon ball series knew how to hook people in three episodes at the latest, even GT made sure to establish early that the earth was going to blow up so that everyone knew what was at stake. It shouldn’t take 5 months for a series to stop being boring.
Just because you are from the "demon" realm doesn't mean you are a demon
>>273276214rude
>>273276779>>273276821It's 2nd place on Crunchyroll's most popular but ok.>>273276875>Toriyama was used to infringing on lore and stakes by then.All caused by the editors.>Krilin's second death was supposed to be permanent >hmmm no bro just bring him back because reasons
>>273276911It took Super 100 episodes to be good. Daima is good since episode 1.
>>273275019Toriyama didn't take the monocultural approach. he blended and mixed common ideas across various religions like a lot of japanese boomers did as these two point out. >>273270983>>273271288He often dwelled on what christian stereotypes of the devil and how they related to his main characters. It's likely the glind tree is supposed to relate to the tree of the fruit of good and evil because shin is a good fruit while degesu and arinsu are bad. Don't act like western mythology is out of bounds for him for some reason.
>>273276911super spent 30 episodes redoing battle of gods and revenge of f.
>>273277044And even those recaps had more going on than the nothing Daima’s doing.
>>273277069calling them recaps is wrong, they literally rewrote the entire movies in episode form
>>273277028>baseless claims whose only source is westoid copelol, lmao even
>>273265780>I saw porn of her getting plowed by loli futa Panzy on there.Needs a whole lot more of that. Lazy Japs slacking hard. Pan needs to get her loli futa cock lodged inside of Arinsu too. Arinsu double-teamed between Panzy and Pan, with her huge purple tits sloshing as she's spit-roasted
>>273277106You just don't much about his works if you think he never used western mythology. He's been very blatant with a lot of those references.
>>2732761580:18-0:20 is how they do sfx in modern dragon ball
>>273276939> 2nd place That isn't ordered and it's been falling behind for weeks.Keep trying Daipa baby, I'm sure it'll keep Actionball dead.
just turn daima into DQdo not rape DB like this
>>273277044They had to because IMAX profits off movie versions of those arcs, meanwhile Daima had to do the same exact thing Gohan's movie did to grab interest: nostalgia baiting.
>>273277085>>273277687
>>273277622We already have Dai and Abel and it has 5x the balls Daima has.
>>273276911Beerus is so cute...
>>273277732It is crazy how that is LITERALLY just Goku, both Lunches, Yajirobe, and Piccolo Daimao with a different colour pallette
>>273276158Go back and actually slog through the first arc of GT again before they meet Baby and then come back and say that seriously.
>>273273642Is it a Glind?
>>273276214Even without being a moefag or lolifag, Panzy is the best character so far.
>>273273642it's the glind penis bro
I love Daima
>>273279509>Bocchi the SaiyanPower up, champ.
Princess Echalote
>Thread created one day and 10 hours agoYup daipa is a fucking failure and a flop KEK
>>273277069What is this cope? Lmao. Literally nothing important or interesting happened until Goku Black arc.Daima at least starts with a clear objective and adventure. Meanwhile, Super plot goes nowhere.
>>273276911This. Diaperkeks are using the same cope used for fucking live service games.
The namek arc gets good it just takes 50 episodes (lie)
>>273282466>episodesDiscarded.
Z got good the moment Raditz stepped out of his ship. What episode was that again?
>>273242060I really liked the fantheory that said namekians are just very low rank/mortal versions of the kais, hence why they have such powerful magic abilities. I guess Daima sort of confirms it.
>>273246293>The rest of the planet doesn't really view things in this way.>What is yin-yang
>Super became a bit interesting during Black's arc and that same arc became shit for the final part
>>273283918That arc was always garbage, even down to its premise.
Bejitabros aren't watching Daima because it won't show kid Goku's dick like OG and GT they did a poor work studying their target audience.
>they get to the second demon realm where shin was born>all of the glind trees are destroyed, probably with a city/castle in its placeThis will happen, right? The seed growing in the ending is probably of a Glind tree being grown after they deal with that.
>Want to rewatch dbz>Download episode 1 to compare them>Funi and Saban dub has cringe dialogue and a worse ost>But grandma Goku is insufferablefuck>she voices everyone related to gokufuckit's basically choose your poison huh
>>273284343Read the manga, its better.
>>273284343Thanks to God we spics got the best dub in all history.
>>273284343The latam dub is the only good version unironically, that is why Dragon Ball is so big there.
>>273284343There's nothing wrong with the English version.
>>273284411>>273284498Italian dub is very good too>>273284343Seconding this >>273284383It's also faster to read than watch all of the anime
I want you all to know that if you ever typed "K" or "K-word" you're a nigger troon who loves BBC
>There's nothing wrong with the English version
>>273284303Maybe. But not for the first season. Each world has it's own dragon ball and boss battle. Each season will end on a big boss battle.
>>273285527>>273284343>>273284383>>273284411>>273284498>>273284992>>273285106What the fuck does this have to do with Daima, ya dorks. Take this tard debate to the general >>273280215
>>273285685This won't be a seasonal anime, it will have 24-30 episodes at best, they will rush the final, especially when Bejita joins the team.
>>273276964The first episode was a fucking recap.
>>273285965A recap with new flashy art, and humorous commentary, and a set-up to the plot, creating anticipation.
>>273241848He is implying that demons dont usually act unless there is something to gain.
>>273286044>A recap with new flashy artlol>and humorous commentaryI bet your dumb ass thinks the constant fart jokes are the epitome of humor.>and a set-up to the plot, creating anticipation.Anticipation for what? Boring adventureslop? I anticipated absolutely fucking nothing after watching the boring-as-shit first episode, and I still don't.
>>273286037>nooooo, don't acknowledge when I'm acting like a retard>Heh... actually, I wanted you to reply. It's all part of my plan, where I troll you by acting like an off topic shitposter. Bet you never saw that trap before.
>>273286094>I bet your dumb ass thinks the constant fart jokes are the epitome of humor.Huh? There weren't any fart jokes in episode 1. I bet your dumb ass has a meltdown over 2 fart jokes across 6 episodes.
>>273286060Does Shin act only when there is something to gain?
>>273257739Metal Cooler and Z Broly were both villains that were too fucking strong for the Z team to feasably defeat during the time period they were in. The way they concluded is bullshit.
>>273286150>instantly starts defending the fart jokes while ignoring everything elseDaipa shitters aren't actual Dragon Ball fans, they're mindless golems that will consume any slop that has the Dragon Ball logo printed on it.
>>273286214The other 2 statements aren't even worth addressing. You don't like the new art? Well you're just wrong. It looks really good. No argument there.You aren't anticipating the adventure to come? Well I guess you're entitled to your opinion. But regardless of how you *feel*,m they did objectively take time to set up the premise of the show. So like it or not, they created anticipation for those who do care. Which doesn't seem to include you. But you don't have to be included for the statement to be true. Not everything is about you.The only thing that you said that had any real substance was the fart jokes. But there are only 2 fart jokes in the show so far out of 6 episodes. Hating the writing based on 2 15 second gags, makes no damn sense. You're just a retard.
>>273286097>conversing with himself Mindbroken.
>>273286348>UHH YOU'RE WRONGNot an argument.>they did objectively take time to set up the premise of the showWhich is a shit premise.>r-r-r-retardNot an argument.Wow, 0 for 3. I'm embarrassing the fuck out of you.
>>273286393>lolnot an argument>shit premiseThat was not being debated. The original claim was that the first episode was only a recap. Now you're switching to "ok, it wasn't only a recap, but I don't like the premise". Which is just like, your opinion, man.
>>273286555>only a recapWhich it was. It set up nothing, only rehashed GT. Two rehashes in a single episode. Pathetic.
>>273286214uhm, wrong! daima is for actual dragon ball fans like me who have grown tired of the pointless loli bait. daima is dragon ball back to its peak, to its true essence taking away the obnoxious gooning fanservice that have attracted pedos for years, we can finally enjoy the comedy, the adventure, the true dragon ball
>>273286733>who have grown tired of the pointless loli bait>he says while defending Daipa
OP here. I meant it when I said this isn't a general. I won't be making another thread after this. At least until the next episode is released, and some new bit of lore catches my interest.So if you see some copycat making new lore threads. Just know, I'm not responsible. I wouldn't put it past the DB fans on /a/ to turn well genuine threads into shitposting shitholes. So watch out for such bad actors.Anyway, this thread is a relative success, despite some shitposting. I'm glad some of you participated. Until next time.
>>273286761daima has 0 loli bait, you don't see coomers going al weird on loli, maybe you should clean your harddrive before someone calls FBI on you
>>273286902>daima has 0 loli baitSo you just...haven't been watching Daima then, got it.
>>273286902
>I won't be making another thread after thisKWAB!
>>273286902i don't understand why twitterfaggots chose gogeta as their mascot for anti-loli. But i do wish that many can reply them back with these types of fanarts hopefully for them to stop using DB as their spokeperson
>>273279451Because....why?
>>273287146Better dialogues and lively without being a walking trope
>>273287166She is a walking trope, the pushy girl who only exists for fanservice.
>>273287180She doesn't behave like a trope, in the sense that she's not just going "MAN I'M HUNGRY" or "MAN I NEED TO SHIT" or other stock lines every 5 minutes. She just feels more organic
