I'm 100% convinced that the director hates Dragonball and just wants to tear down its legacy.Fuck this show and everyone involved in it.
dragon ball is a humiliation ritual for brain users
>>273252951The animation staff is doing the best with the material they got, the problem is Toriyama's material in the first place. Daima exists because it's something Iyoku could push knowing he'd get Toriyama approval and favor (like Sandland) not something targeting any real audience outside of Toriyama. Iyoku needed to keep fostering favors to Toriyama because he onyl had control of Dragonball's rights with Capsule Corp due to Toriyama lending him that authority, so he had to make him happy.
>>273252951Daimashills will make YOU be the bad guy for not liking that garbage.
>>273253055>going backwards is what DB neededHoly shit, I thought everyone wanted to finally move past EoZ, but suddenly they're fine with 1000 filler shows that exist for nothing but to sell merch and DLC characters? Brainwashed fanbase.
>>273253106what would moving past eoz achieve? itd still have the exact same formula
>>273253043Toriyama would never quote a fanfic databook 1:1. This shit is 100% Toei writing with Toriyama's designs slapped in. You know, just like GT.
>>273253220Moving the story forward. Nobody used your argument when Z aired and arcs came one after another, instead of moving backwards. We could see Goten and Trunks becoming relevant or something, now they have to be turned into babies because we sure as heck know they amount to nothing in the pre-EoZ era.
>>273252951>NOOO IT'S NOT KI SPAMMING I FUCKING HATE IT You already know I'm about to embarrass you by posting a Super Webm next right? It's like a humiliation ritual for you
>>273252951>>273253340And now let's look at what you "want"
>>273253346No one wanted super shit with tranny hairs. We wanted it to stay dark and violent like DBZ with some FUCKING STAKES UP ON FIGHTS. Nothing matters anymore since Goku is friends with Zeno, the angels and everyone else. Nothing will ever happen again that's a little bit exciting.
>>273253246The twitterfaggot was talking more about breaking the "new stronger enemy" formula than anything else and that's fine.
This? Nah this is clearly ruining Dragon Ball's legacy according to OP
>>273253375But THIS is just fine to him I guess Listen I don't care if you like Daima or not or hate everything since Battle of Gods. That's fineBut to act like a fucking grifter faggot and go "DURRR DAIMA RUINED DRAGON BALL" when we've gotten this SHIT for the past 9 years??? Nah go fuck yourself
>>273253390>muh graphicsautism
>>273253362>dark and violent like DBZ
>daipa indian shill hasnt watched dbzWhy am I not surprised?
>>273252951>>273253362Tablos...
>>273253464Namek has literal genocide and child killing, and even on tamer arcs like the buu saga there's videl getting ryona'd. Meanwhile SHITper looks like plastic and there's not a single drop of blood.
here's the show you waited 6 year for btwbe happy because it's canon :)
I thought you guys would love Daima with all the toilet humor given you spend all your time in shit threads
>>273253550Good cause it's just what I wanted >BUTI'm not a Toonami fag, I know what Dragon Ball was and I'm glad it returned to that state.Cry about it
>>273253654we went from goku punching so hard that the entire universe shook to... a little kid with a stick
>>273253362Dragon Ball stakes were ruined a long time ago since the cell arc/buu arc.>oh the dragon balls were destroyed and/or piccolo died? No problem, we can use the Namek's dragon ball to revive ourselves if we communicate with them through the other world>if someone dies they can come back through Baba and keep fighting. They can even train in the afterlife and come back stronger than ever!>we have the potara/fusion dance if the enemy is so much stronger! The main cast has simply too many options for cheating death. It's not impossible to write around these problems but it can be hard unless you go full retard and make the villain into universal-multiversal scale. ToP is the only Super arc that did this well and that's something to admire(until they allowed the potara...)
>>273253690Yeah thank goodness The boring ki spamming was annoying and ridiculous
>>273253743The Tournament of Power was fucking garbage >But Jiren vs GokuWas 4 episodes in 30 episodes of shit. They treated it like a joke, remember when Goku yelled at 17 for trying to attack the other universe before they transformed so it would be "fair"Remember when Krillin said "H-Hey that's dirty" to Freeza being the only one to take it seriously and knock out opponents whenever they crossed himRemember how majority of the universes were so weak and irrelevant they got off screened most of the time and were reduced to background random ki blastsRemember how Goku would just hold back because "I need to regain my energy after using UI" and then go fucking Super Saiyan Blue? Remember how Tien wanted to be "honorable" when knocking out an opponent and suiciding himself along with them despite the fact that the universe is on the lineRemember how even after Universe 9 was wiped out and everyone saw this was serious they still acted flippant and joked around and didn't give a shit?ToP is one of the worst fucking arcs in all of DB
>>273253375>Forced animation
Daima only seems bad if you are a DBZ only spic. True dragon ball fans see it as a return to form that is inspired by the soul of the original
>>273253852Not to mention super literally ruined characters like Frieza turning him into a total joke. Plus the fucking low effort forms that are just recolors when each frieza form was so different only makes it even more sad.
>>273253892You will never win this debate Shitper fag
>>273253852It was worth it for the cute gang
>>273252951kek it's nothing like that.DBZtards need to accept their beloved franchise is now just sanitized kid-friendly slop for selling birthday and Christmas toys to brown third world kids.DB Slopma is just fully pandering to that audience.They don't care about making a good story or investing in animation, that shit doesn't sell. But turning DB into a Spongebob 2.0 to sell merch to kids, that shit makes billions.
>>273253896>Optional pedo prequel fans like it so it's good
>>273253896It's not that good.I have nothing against Daima in principle. But the jokes aren't as funny and bold as they used to be. Daima feels like a shy kid trying to crack a joke vs OG DB being the class clown chad going all out.
>>273253896False.OG Dragon Ball's adventure took you places. Every new stop on Goku and Bulma was a brand new place with brand new sights with a brand new situation. Goku on Red Ribbon traveled the whole fucking entire world over and every place and every person he saw and met was different.And between those adventures? There was fucking tournaments. Pure fighting. And on the adventure on every new place there was a new adversary for more fightan.Meanwhile the Demon Realm just feels like Sandland 2.0. Just some ugly as shit poo colored wasteland. It's not interesting at all visually which is extremely grave. How do you make a place that's supposed to be all about magic look so drab?You know what Daima it actually feels like? Like Dragon Quest, but worse. The Demon Realm just feels so "constructed" to be like an RPG-sort of world, but as I also mentioned, the place is simply not interesting or compelling, so even as "RPG World" it fails.There's a reason why practically all the positive talk about Daima is "muh animation" and "muh lore", and I can't fault it, because those are by far and wide the most and only interesting things about Daima so far. And in all honesty it's pretty lame how we're coincidentally getting some crumb of lore every episode and then the conversation suddenly stops to then the next piece of lore to be infodumped next episode.
>>273253852ToP was SHIT but I'm just saying that at least they tried to make the stakes work>no revives and no afterlife if you lose>no potara...(until they allowed it for bs reasons)
Daima is the best Dragon Ball since the Sayan saga.>>273252951>>273253055>ameriburgers who started watching from DBZ>>273253106GT moved past EoZ and fans bitched.>>273253043Source: twitter
>>273254011>GT moved past EoZ and fans bitched.They complained for other reasons than it being past EoZ you disingenous shill.
>>273254002Fair enough, I can agree with that
>>273253987This post is disingenuous 6 episodes into RRA and Goku's only been to like 2 fucking places >They said we're going to three different demon worlds and this anon acts like the sand land one is all we will have
>>273253987You're too negative. It's not nearly as good as DB but it's probably better than a lot of Super and the Z anime shitty fillers
>>273253902Frieza should have returned past the EoZ because it make no sense for him to control that godly power with that palet swap form so quickly.
>>273252951>fans People who dislike Daima don't like Dragon Ball nor Toriyama, they only like the american version of DBZ with its shitty dub and retarded music. They think shit like "rock the dragon" is what Dragon Ball all is about.
>>273254011>best Dragon Ball since the Sayan sagaLol. You can't be serious.
>>273253987>You know what Daima it actually feels like? Like Dragon Questi wonder if they have something in common. that's weird.
>>273254076Depends on whether we're talking anime or manga then. Manga is fast.
>>273253987There are three worlds in the demon realm, each one looks different, the desert landscape we see now is just one of them amd looks good for me. However, you're right that nothing particularly interesting is happening. Goku destroys every opponent he encounters and Panzy is just a combination of Bulma and Pan. Only Glorio seems minimally interesting to me because he works in the shadows with one of the villains. The pace is also slow and the humor is pee poo poo tier. I don't find Daima insulting like some SHITper arcs but it's just mediocre for now.
The issue with Daima is that it's an (further) acknowledgment the franchise is unable to survive without Goku or Vegeta, they could easily have made the same story without embarassing baby characters and even using only original characters, it didn't even needed to be Dragon Ball related, though it's not a crime it is.I'm sorry to say this, but no teenager or adult can enjoy this series, you may enjoy on another level beyond just entertainment, as a critical analysis of the franchise or tropes. And I'm inclined to believe they are failing to get little kids to care about a sequel to something they cannot relate to.
>>273254219imagine if in ToP goku he need to poo.
>>273253902Frieza's been a joke ever since he lost to Goku the first time tho
>>273254340First paragraph is true, second not so much. It's a decent-ish adventure anime. Too sanitized.
>>273254153I was comparing anime
>>273254340But that's always been the caseGoku is the protagonist and will always be the MC. DB has always been like this. I don't get what's so hard to understand >But GohanWas the MC for like 10 chapters of the 520 Goku story Like come the fuck on
>>273253234>Toriyama would never quote a fanfic databook 1:1Mr Forgetman himself wouldn't use databooks compiled by people he'd figure are more invested in his works than he himself ever was, as reference to double check something he doesn't remember?
>>273253340Why is the foreground sliding when they're stand still?
>>273252951Daima is pretty good.
>>273253340wow, instead of generic choreography and power beams now we have..... just generic choreography
>>273253234He didn't quote it 1:1 though, just the general idea, which makes sense if the idea was his in the first place. The Kai are genderless being born from trees, but all the actual detail from the databooks has actually been shoved aside (no apple form, they're fetus on the trees, no "Shinjin" or "Core" race name, rather than that it's Glint). It seems like exactly the same thing that happened to Bardock. He remembers some rough details and goes from there rather than actually matching up the existing material perfectly.
>>273253896fuck off, im a spic and i only see Daima is getting shitted by the anglo fandom, in latinoamerican countries the fans cant accept that Daiama is shit
>>273255158Anon, you have watched the series too, as the cast of characters grew, Goku's role in the story changed, he only shows up in Namek after the setup was done, same with the androids arc, Toriyama made him sick so he wouldn't be avaliable for the whole arc, in the buu arc you got both him and Vegeta sidelined until the very end.You know why? Because their character roles are too well defined to be interesting anymore, one of the main issues Super faces is that every arc works around Goku and Vegeta and they are not interesting characters to work with, every arc feels like it's the same thing over and over.Adult goku is not child goku anymore, no matter how much Toei keeps retardating him and now literally turning him into a child again, it's not working.
>>273254104DBZ was objectively peak Dragon ball and Bruce Faulconer's ost kicked ass you faggot
>>273255413And the series was worse for itThe moment Goku got sidelined after Saiyan Arc the series got worseNamek had Vegeta to carry it in his absence but it cannot be understated how retarded everyone acts in the Android Arc to the point where the story STOPS until he wakes up and advanced the plot
>>273253362LMAO, what stakes? There were none because they could always use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone. The only part of the franchise that had actual stakes was GT because it took away the Dragon Balls as a "fix everything for free" button and you guys spent decades crying about that.
>>273254076That's still more places than Daima lol
>>273253362>dark and violent like DBZHoly shit lol
>>273255612>The only part of the franchise that had actual stakes was GT because it took away the Dragon Balls as a "fix everything for free" buttonThey never did anything about the Namek balls.
>>273255455Toriyama understood the structure the series had to go to work, whether the execution was flawed or not is up to discussion, but the series reached the peak of it's popularity this way.
>>273253362>Dark and Violent This is why western people should not work on DB
>>273254340It's honestly dissonant to see Goku acting like he does in Daima when he's in like his mid-thirties now even if he's been turned into a kid.Compared to Super Goku he's still the epitome of maturity, Super Goku would have gone SUGOI I WONDER WHAT KIND OF STRONG PEOPLE THERE WOULD BE IN THE DEMON REALM WAKU WAKU but here Goku's first priority and first thing he said was "we've gotta fucking save Dende" but really, literal fart jokes and uh oh stinky jokes? It just doesn't work even if Goku's been turned into a kid in terms of appearance because at the end of the day you know he's supposed to be a grown-ass.>The issue with Daima is that it's an (further) acknowledgment the franchise is unable to survive without Goku or Vegeta, they could easily have made the same story without embarassing baby characters and even using only original charactersBut yes, I wholeheartedly agree with this. It's why there's never gonna be something like a DBO anime, because an entire brand new cast of literally whos OCs, a brand new storyline without any ties to anyone or anything, won't sell at all, Dragon Ball cast became victims of their own popularity and so we're stuck on this eternal limbo where we're never allowed to move on. Hell, Daima being ANOTHER inter-quel is also a sign of how scared shitless they're from moving past EoZ. If they didn't have the balls to do it while Toriyama was alive I don't see it happening at all now that the dude's dead.
Reminder, Dragon Ball has not had a single good piece of new canon content in 30 years.
>>273255753I mean, I don't disagree that would be missing the point, but so is Daima.>>273255783>If they didn't have the balls to do it while Toriyama was alive I don't see it happening at all now that the dude's dead.The issue is that people want stronger opponents and transformations in DB, so progression is kind of required for that, and why Daima doesn't have much interest. They need to push for new because it's what the audience craves, not rehashing forms seen as "weaker" by now.
>>273255723I agree. But the issue is it also killed Dragon Ball because it never managed to evolve past that point. Cell Saga and Buu saga show that.
>>273255856BoG movie was good.Super Hero might have been good had it truly been the Piccolo solo movie it was meant to be. Fuck Iyoku for shoehorning Gohan into it.
>>273255856Battle of GodsBrolySuper HeroDaima These are all good, you just don't like them
>>273255874The two primary reasons I think killed a lot of interest in Daima were it being yet another series set before EoZ and even worse set even before Super and turning the cast into kids plain and simply being too reminiscing of GT. Everything about how and why and why that happened may be different but at the end of the day people's minds will inevitably go to "GT did that, is Daima gonna be like GT?".I really wish we'd seen people's reactions to Daima as it aired would have been had Toriyama not died. I'm willing to bet money that half the reason people defend it so staunchinly is because Toriyama went up and died so they feel obligated to defend it yes or yes just for that.
>>273255924>>273255926Super and Diama are shit compared to the original Dragon Ball and Z. They are archived as such. You're free to see reception anywhere you look. Stop being delusional.
>bog>goodwhat the fuck?
>>273256164Sunk-cost fallacy
>>273255753For a WWE kid’s show it was indeed dark and violent. To this day DBZ hits are some of the best and the battles were excruciating ordeals with plenty of death and people getting gored frequently. The 90s color scheme also added to the grittier look.
>>273252951Only third world spics that never read any of Toriyama's other works are surprised by and crying about a silly comedy author making a silly comedy show.
>>273256303Is it funny?
>>273256303And burgers since they didn't get OG DB until later.
>>273252951Only brainless retards are watching that shit past episode 1.
>>273255896Buu was great and most of the Cell arc high points have nothing to do with Goku.He simply works better as the arc finisher while everyone else develops throughout the arc and nothing else. Bejita/Gohan were interesting, but now that their character arcs finished and have solidified Toriyama refused to replace them with anybody.
>>273255924Super Hero was ok until the focus switched to Gohan Blanco and the villain with the most horrendous design in the entire franchise: Cell MAX.
Jiren? undefeated.The manga? canon.Toyotaro? the chosen successorDaima? non-canon garbage.
>>273254104>>273256303>only ameriburguers hate shartma>only spics hate shartmaMaybe there's no boogeyman, and daipa is just shit?
>>273252980>admits Dragon Ball humiliates himKWAB!
>>273252951>You only like Daima if you also like the original!I like the original Dragon Ball more than Z, and I can tell you:Daima sucks ass!>Goku has never been such a disgusting person, who shits and farts everywhere and doesn't know the meaning of a bath. He's not Bacteria!>The humor is as harmless as it can be. Totally lost it's comedic edge and decides to play it safe, something classic Toriyama never did.>The plot goes nowhere. "Muh Lore" is just retcons of established concepts, unlike the original Dragon Ball which builds from the ground up, creating the concepts we know and love today.>It's basically "GT, but FANTASY!", where Goku has no real challenges or worthy opponents in all aspects, not just fighting. Even Krillin during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc challenged Goku by being more cunning than him.It's SHIT. It doesn't resemble the original DB at all. Fuck people who say that just to be contrarians and piss off DBZ Spics.
>>273256598At the beginning of dragon ball goku has no idea what a bath even is. you never watched it.
>>273253340Why are they sliding across the ground?
>>273253896But it's not as good as pre-timeskip dragon ball either.
>>273252951Toriyama had a lot pent-up resentment towards his customer base. He was a gag mangaka first and foremost, but that didn’t sell well at all and DB nearly died with the Pilaf arc had it not been for the pivot into more martial arts action.And because of both his editor(s) and the way the WSJ industry is cutthroat as hell, he had to keep ramping it up if he wanted to keep his job.He knew people didn’t care about his poop jokes or transvestite garbage every week, and he could never just accept that. But once he came out of retirement he was given a free pass to do whatever he wanted thanks to his status as an industry icon, and that’s how we got Retardku in DBS and Shartku in Daima.But whoops! Nobody actually liked that shit either, and Daima was uncared for even by Toei until the man keeled over dead. Now Toei’s rushing to capitalize on “making a tribute to Toriyama” as evidenced by that lazily cobbled together OP, and third worlders are eating it up. Not many, mind you, Daima’s still flopping everywhere and even youtubers who make their living off talking about Dragon Ball don’t get the viewersship they used to talking about Daima.TL;DR Toriyama was a bitter, rotting geriatric and his latest attempt to go back to le funny babby gagshit didn’t work, just like the last several times it didn’t work.
>>273256629Not him but Daima Goku is 40 YEARS OLD YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>273253055>Transformers fan>also a transformer itselfI guess trannies love Daima.
>>273256716>>273256629>>273256598Mistranslation.CrunSHITroll subs say Goku doesn't bathe, which is wrong.What he's actually saying in japanese is that he doesn't bathe everyday.
>>273256629>Goku at the beginningDid you read what you wrote before posting or are you just retarded?
>>273256761Prove it. Even if that's true it doesn't excuse all the fecal obsession in Daima.
>>273253896Daima doesn’t even have sex jokes and they got it out of the way immediately that Panzy is actually a hag so that the normalfags would feel a bit more comfortable having her around.There’s also no ancient wuxia chinese mysticism or martial arts reminiscent of 70s movies. It’s all just isekai bar fights or magic fagging in the desert or caves like it’s Mushoku Tensei.And to top it off they integrated that senile ramblings from some interview that all Kais are apparently genderless they/them nonsense.Daima is nothing like OG. Not even a little bit.
>>273256700>but that didn’t sell well at allDidn't Dr. Slump do well?
>>273256819Not really.
>>273256761Wrong. in the manga he asks bulma what a bath is after she tells him to take one.
>>273256761>>273256808I already deleted it but I recall that in the fansub he said to Panzy they can skip a bath.
>>273256800Yes. He said daima is nothing like the original dragon ball because "Goku has never been such a disgusting person, who shits and farts everywhere and doesn't know the meaning of a bath" but in the original manga he doesn't know the meaning of a bath.
But who's the strongest?
>>273256800I think that's the problem with Daima: the series acts as if Goku's entire character development has been reset and he's back to being a kid who lives alone in the mountains and knows nothing about the world and how things works.Part of Dragon Ball was seeing Goku learning concepts. Keyword: LEARNING. Goku learns quickly, that was a characteristic he had in the original Dragon Ball.Daima acts like he's plain stupid, not just country bumpkin.
>>273256911>Goku not knowing what a word means because he's a ten years old hermit means he never bathed beforeYou're dumber than Super's Tardku.
>>273256911Because he LEARNED what a Bath is in the beginning, so there's no reason he wouldn't know what a bath is for the rest of the series?Like I said, are you retarded for wanting a character to go back to things they learned in the original series?
>>273256814Genderless species are already and established thing in universe. You just let political mindrot give you trannyphobia. Kais being like namekians isn't a big deal.
>>273252951Did people just forget that Daima was made to celebrate Dragon Ball's 40th anniversary? OG Dragon Ball not Z, GT, or Super? And that Toriyama has always been a comedy author at heart?
>>273256927TARDku has been an issue since arguably BoG where he unlearned everything about there's always someone better out there and acted like a cocky retard towards Beerus just to get oneshot.Toriyama's butthurt over Superhero Goku causing him to constantly regress Goku as a character and constantly portraying him as badly by making him as dumb and uncaring as possible was a curse. I can only hope that this will stop now that he fucking died.
>>273256939The joke in the original manga was that he never had a bath before. you never read it.
>>273256927EPSTEINshi the GROOMER makes children read him pornography.
>>273256998>OG Dragon Ball not Zretard
>>273256964he said it wasn't like the original because goku was never stinky and i was just showing how it is exactly like the original with goku not bathing
Don't fuck with us Dragon Ball scholars! We NEVER read any of the manga OR watched any of the shows.
>>273257007Yeah no shit he'd never had a modern house bath before.But sure, keep telling me that Goku never cleaned himself even once and not even when Gohan was alive was Goku never made to clean up himself at the river or something.
>>273257045I didn't say that. you are being super autistic. daima is like the original right down to the "he doesn't bathe" jokes.
>>273256998There is nothing funny about Daima so far, everything is ultra serious with Goku throwing some shart jokes and characters doing wacky faces for everything. And I liked Dr Slump, for that matter.
>>273256582I'm a spic and I find Daima to be rather middling.I enjoy the little bits of lore and the animation but there's only so much that can carry the series.Anyone trying to dismiss any Daima criticism with hurr burger durr spic is a retard. And I say this as someone who fucking loathes DB burger fans because of how much they parade their fanfic DB version as something to be praised about and even better than the actual series.
Daipa is shit.
>SENILEyama puts troon shit on his series>dies immediately afterI will never feel bad about his death.
>>273257073>Moving the goalpostI accept your concession.
>>273257103He lived decades after introducing namekians.
>>273257073Iyoku has deposited 5 rupees in your account for this post.
>>273257115kek imagine being this autistic
>>273256842Slump sold 35 million and it's one of the most influential manga ever.You're fucking delusional.
>>273256978Namekians don’t have several of their people just as girls. It is not at all the same.
>>273257103The good, actually BASED one lived, which is great.
Hard to buy the whole adventure aspect of dragon ball when they have to force gimmicks to nerf him. Plus, Goku seems to just care about fighting and before the retcon, EoZ proved Goku is a shit friend
>>273257148So you would be mad if piccolo had boobs?
>super antis cry about super having too many fights and stakes too high>they get daipa the shitty og db remix>they still cryhope they learned they lesson
>It's another thread of the Daipa shill using fallaciesFucking autist retard. He always does this shit:>False equivalence>Exaggeration>Gaslight you into thinking you don't like DB if you don't enjoy trash like Daima
>>273255455>The moment Goku got sidelined after Saiyan Arc the series got worse>Namek had Vegeta to carry it in his absence but it cannot be understated how retarded everyone acts in the Android Arc to the point where the story STOPS until he wakes up and advanced the plotThis is dumb. Early Namek is some of the best DB has ever gotten. And no, Vegeta didn't "carry" it, Krillin and Gohan having to deal with these monsters was great as well. Saiyans had some of the best parts when Goku was dead and everyone was fighting Nappa.The issue isn't just having Goku as the MC. The issue is that we need GOKU and VEGETA and [third most popular character.... let's go with PICCOLO this time]. It's a fucking checklist. They will never make some Goku, Bulma, Oolong, Yamcha and Puar party again, because they need all the big names for the marketing.
>>273257173>ad hominemI accept your concession
>>273257199>>ad hominemThanks I forgot the autist Daipa shill uses that one too.
>>273257211Stop moving the goalposts!!!
>>273256819In Japan. It’s not a worldwide hit like Dragon Ball.
The only reason people are liking it it's because the big T is dead. In a few years everyone will hate it just like GT.
>>273257142Nobody gives a shit about Slump. Nobody talks about it, nobody thinks about it. It's only ever brought up in conversations about Dragonball by seething contrarian retards.
>>273256567Based
>>273256926Muffin button
>>273257262Everyone loves GT. It's only super that people dislike.
>>273256598>>The plot goes nowhereThe objective is clear. Rescuing Dende and to obtain the dragon balls from the demon realm. >>It's basically "GT, but FANTASY!", where Goku has no real challenges or worthy opponents in all aspects, not just fighting.Too early to say this when they haven't faced yet the Tamagamis.
>>273257268This Slump is only ever brought up by retards wanting to suck Toriyama off.
>>273256598>>Goku has never been such a disgusting person, who shits and farts everywhere and doesn't know the meaning of a bath. He's not Bacteria!Goku was a wild kid that literally didn't know what a bath was. >>The humor is as harmless as it can be. Totally lost it's comedic edge and decides to play it safe, something classic Toriyama never did.True, but that's a consequence of modern times and not a Daima specific thing. But I agree, Tori humor does not work when it's done safe.>>The plot goes nowhere.They are in the Demon world going to their objective, what the fuck are you talking about? Should they be fighting the final boss at episode 6? They even showed the Tama for the PV for the next EP. Of all animated works, Daima probably has the best pacing in DB (OGDB manga is fast as fuck though). >>Lore retconMore lore is being built up rather than being retconned, and most of the lore is built off of multiple different DB series, including Super. No shit the first entry of DB is going to build shit up that literally doesn't exist, compared to the latest series 30 years later, what kind of a stupid argument is this? >>Goku has no real challengesMost of OGDB is Goku steamrolling everything, until he hits a wall that requires a power up, then continues to steamroll everything. >>Even Krillin during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc challenged Goku by being more cunning than him.They never fought in the 21st. In the next tourney, Goku literally has to hold back against him, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>273257173His favorite tactic is deflecting to another Dragon Ball series.
>>273257150So it was toriyama the one who made the stretchy arms nonsense.
>>273257283No they don’t, all people like about GT is the ending which is totally reliant on the connection people had with the original DB. GT was a flop when it aired and everyone still thinks it’s boring shit
>Biggest DB-Tuber with over 1 million subs>Makes a video about the new Dragon Ball series>Scrapes 100K views in over a weekIt's over. Most fans don't give a shit about Daima
>>273257173Yeah, it's very easy to recognize this Daipashill's posting style. Imagine wasting your time defending that toddler show for free on these threads, kek.
>>273257272>he’s even a CHAD on his ID cardI genuflect…
>>273257389Even REEKdom101’s viewership has nosedived, and he was the one who told everyone about the new DB anime being announced in October 2023.
>>273257169Who cares about your hypotheticals? I'm talking about a race with clearly-defined females among its ranks being characterized as "genderless", while your defense was to refer to Namekians who have all been shown as males. Namekians and the kais are not at all the same, since the former at least has that excuse. But for kais it's way too late to backpedal on where they stand, since Daima and games like DBO/XV have shown female kais, both of which Toriyama designed. Though in the latter case not all were his, but the supreme kai of time is a character of his making.
>>273257389Some of his years old videos has less views, some has more. None of his view counts are ever consistent. Why are you like this? And more importantly, why do you care about anime tubers?
>>273257435Namekians aren't all males. They are sexless and reproduce asexually.
>>273257435Arinsu is going to have a massive futa cock, just like Sylvia in my favorite anime: Konosuba!
>>273257435>I'm talking about a race with clearly-defined females among its ranks being characterized as "genderless"The Kais have been revealed to be genderless since 2009, why are you crying about it now?
Daipa so far just screams "18 episodes of nothing happening until a retarded braindead twist happens at the end of the 19th"Toriyama already pulled this shit in Goku Black and Super Hero and will definitely do this garbage again.
>>273257003Pretty much...
>>273257432>Ep 1 review113k views>Ep 5 review32k views
>>273257494What is it with you and false equivalence? Context is important.>some guidebook/interview outside of the work and after the factand>the actual latest entry into a long-running story as it's running with dialogue that is supposed to be treated as exposition the viewers actually need to knoware not the same.
>>273257518strength =/= power
>>273257587Can we all agree that Toriyama would never have a character just quote a databook he didnt even write? This is the guy who retconned Bardock for fucks sakeIyoku needs to be taken out for pulling this shit, fucking subhuman
Fuck it. Daima is good and I like it so far. It has been admittedly a little slow though
>>273257152Taiyo-ken should have been an useless technique by the Cell arc since fucking everyone knows how to sense ki and they don't need to use their eyes.
>>273257587The entire Glind lore is based off that guide book (with the only difference being a technicality of them being the fruit instead of coming from it), so no, it's not false equivalence, it's building off of lore that has been written 2009. Again, why are you crying about it?
>>273257518>forgetting when Goku destroyed his body using Kaioken against Vegeta and Frieza
>>273257626Absolutely.
>>273257003>>273257518>Ohhhh, SUGEEEEEEEE!
>>273257634Again, a guidebook outside of the work after the fact written by someone who wasn’t Toriyama. If everything in a guidebook was to be considered canon then Madara would be a timelord in Naruto.
>>273252951>Watching Dragon Ball after 1997
>>273257670WAKUWAKU
>>273255896It was never meant to, 40+ volumes was more than enough, Dragon Ball has simple characters with a simple execution.
>>273257639Kaioken didn't wreck his body against Frieza, he just wasn't strong enough to beat him and used up all his energy on making the giant spirit bomb
>>273257670>meanwhile in reality
>>273257633The funny part was they all recognized what Cell was doing, and then just continued to stare directly at him
>>273257685An official guide book, made by the company licensing the Dragon Ball, made by the people that worked with Toriyama and had some of his input. Don't equate something like this to being some random fan canon. And even then, if you want to argue about canon, Kais were always shown to be male. Female Kai is Toei filler shit until Tori went and designed one for a game, so why is Toei not able to use their own lore in their own project?
I don’t know why people have to act as if Goku can’t enjoy fighting above everything else and prioritizing saving his friends at the same time.
>diapershills think an obscure guidebook nobody read until now for a cope is the same as a “major” tv production
>>273257626>Iyoku needs to be taken out for pulling this shit, fucking subhumanI’m not sure how people didn’t see it coming a mile away. He already ruined Yu-Gi-Oh after Kazuki Takahashi died.
>>273257768>Kais were always shown to be maleAnd now they’re long since past that, we just got another one, and here you are pretending it makes sense for them to still be they/them shit.
>>273257901The only thing I'm saying is that them being genderless has been established since 2009 and they are using that very same lore for Daima, and you crying about it like it's a new thing doesn't make sense. It's okay to admit you have no idea what you're talking about and just want to cry about trannies or whatever the fuck.
>>273257736That really doesn't negate the many, MANY examples of RETARDku in the manga. Just look at his fucking face.
>>273253896>dragon ball fans"True dragon ball fans" know that 80% of the DB manga is Z
>>273257465>NOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't just notice a trend! b-because y-you just can't OKAY!!Interest in Daima plumeted across the internet after the first episode. That's a fact anon
>>273257947It coming out in 2009 does not mean it still holds up today, retard. It doesn’t matter if it’s old “lore”, it is long since incorrect lore and that deserves to be said instead of slurping it up the way you are.
>>273257780Depends on how it's executed. DB did it well. Super didn't.
>>273257518
>>273258077Oh nononono diapershitters
>>273258132Showing Roshi panels drawn by Toriyama, even cropped ones, makes Toyotaro look so bad...
>>273258110>now it's "incorrect"lol okWhat is "incorrect" about it? You not liking it?
The "kais are genderless" was already retarded and controversial with that female kai existing, now with Arinsu it just becomes double retarded.Almost as if Toei started writing this shit before Toriyama gave them the designs/concepts for them to include. Oh wait thats literally what happened lmao
>>273258077>go look at the other videos in his channel>literal years old videos about dragon ball with sub 50k viewsAgain, why are you like this?
>>273258077>>273258235lol
>>273258077>less views than One Flop ManIt’s actually over.
>>273258132Kek, funny thing is roshi was correct, without the UI power boost jiren would have obliterated u7.
>>273258286>jiren would have obliterated u7So just like how it happened then
>>273258199I was going to give you a chance to guess what’s incorrect about it but you were too eager and wasted your shot prematurely.
>>273258286yuponly crane shitters bought into the technique meme, and just look at what happened to them
>>273258213It might have been a mistranslation of 'sex' and 'gender' with Kais not having sexual organs (being sexless) but still having 'genders'.
>>273256927Fucking kek @ picrel
As long as the supreme kai of time still has a butthole it's fine
>>273258286UI doesn't give Goku a power boost, at least not in the manga
>>273258334I can’t wait to fit my millimeter peter inside that cage…
>>273258413Tien getting the goblin slayer treatment
>>273258077>>273258278Fucking kek, even Heroes videos don’t perform this poorly. Daima is done for.
>>273258553>Tien getting the [MOESHIT]
>>273258334She forces Glorio to use that btw
Super killed dragon ball and daima just pissing on the corpse, there is nothing in daima is actually watchable , it's totally overMy question is that I know why they did daima for legal reasons, because company has divided but why they are so bad writing a story why even the low life fan fictions by pathetic americans and latinos are better, or maybe it's not for me I don't know anymore I can still enjoy all the dragon ball, yes there are garbage and dull moments like goku and vegeta's fight in buu saga and frieza's fight was long but I can tolerate it, this is just straight up unwatchableHow can you say you love dragon ball and support shit like this?you have no soul or dignity if you think this is like original dragon ball
>>273258584that's his power limiter
>generalsGeneral White and General Blue? Maybe General Rilldo?
>>273257140I can't imagine being a Dragonball fan
>>273255989>I'm willing to bet money that half the reason people defend it so staunchinly is because Toriyama went up and died so they feel obligated to defend it yes or yes just for that.This is it. They have to do this or they'll be accused of disrespecting the dead or being entitled or ungrateful. I literally wait for every other episode now before I watch it because it's going so slow and it's not exactly exciting either. The lore dump during the first episode was more interesting than the show so far.
>>273258413Someone who knows all their fundamentals and perfects them will always be superior to someone who only knows how to use supers.
>>273257188It's because nobody fucking cares about Oolong Puar or Yamcha. You only like the fucking idea of them, not the character themselves >ButEven back when they were the stars they were boring as shit
>>273257631Agreed. If the show only has 24 episodes like rumored, I think it's about time in the next 2 episodes to meet the first Tamagami and fight or at least focus on Vegeta and Piccolo and Bulma for a bit until they join up
>Goku grandma gave her voice to AI>Frieza's seiyuu is fighting against AI
Dragon Ball sucks.Dragon Ball Z sucks.Dragon Ball GT sucks.Dragon Ball Super sucks.Dragon Ball Heroes sucks.Dragon Ball Daima sucks.All the Dragon Ball movies suck.All the Dragon Ball video games suck.The Dragon Ball manga sucks.The Dragon Ball Super manga sucks.Dick and Balls sucks. It's always sucked.
>>273258731Shut the fuck up retard. I never said we needed YAMCHA AND PUAR specifically. I meant that we're now going with safe and established and marketable names instead of using funny and fresh new possibilities. We don't necessarily need YAMCHA AND PUAR (although they'd still be better than fucking Vegeta and Piccolo) but we need their equivalent. We need to have the DB franchise BREATH and be able to do something other than the Goku and Vegeta show.
>>273258235>S-so what a new DB series after 6 years of nothing doesn't sustain any interest!?Flopma is shit. DBtuber channels should be having a surge of interest but instead the opposite is happening
>>273258578Heroes demon realm saga was more amusing than Daima so far.
>>273258800>but we need their equivalentNo we don't, retard. Nobody gives a shit.
>>273257736>Literally a page later he goes "HAHA I'M GETTING EXCITED TO FIGHT MORO WAKU WAKU"
>>273258839You have no clue about Toriyama, Dragon Ball, or storytelling in general. Enjoy your VEGETA and PICCOLO slop you fucking faggot.
>>273258800Imagine a world in where Piccolo was the only main in Super Hero, becoming living factual proof that Dragon Ball can actually work out and succeed and make money outside Saiyanwank, and we start to actually get more experimental shows outside Tardku, Bejita and more monkey dick.But no, we couldn't have that, Gohan had to ruin everything. I fucking hate Gohan and Gohan self-inserters so fucking much it's unreal.
>>273258689…because I am one!
>>273258769>the worst VA doesn't care>one of the best VAs doesIt's over>>273258857Retarded humancuck
>>273258857There is no universe where anyone wants to see Yamcha or Puar, or characters that are anything remotely like them. Their screen presence is actively detrimental to the quality of the show they're in.
>>273258278>>273258578Shills
don't engage in any discussion with amerilards they started with z so their opinion is worthless
>>273258769The Big Gete Star? Owns the keys to the franchise.
>>273258077
>>273258825If Heroes had good animation it would be the most popular series.
>>273258904Sorry for wanting actual characters instead of marketable faces to sell like Vegeta (Daima)®Kill yourself
>>273258800>We need their equivalent No we fucking don't
>>273258857Who is Vegeta?
>>273258807>new thing comes out or something trends>youtube algorithm puts their new thing videos in the spot light until next new thing comes out or trends>videos returns to normal view countWelcome to how youtube works you fucking idiot. If your normal view counts are shit cause you're a shit tuber, nothing new will change that. Also>thinking that most people that care about DB are anime tuber houndsOff yourself.
>>273258867>Gohan had to ruin everything. I fucking hate Gohan and Gohan self-inserters so fucking much it's unrealIyoku is responsible for that too.
>>273258807>>273258965>Daima animation videos are called awesome and a huge level up and amazing >Super animation videos are just titled as professionally as they could be because they were shitKek
>>273258825True. It's a shame the story moves as quickly as it does, there's moments and fights I'd like to have been longer. But Nagayama's really good at what he does.
>>273258950>apologizingConcession accepted.
>>273258796Dragon Ball sucks.Wrong.Dragon Ball Z sucks.Wrong.Dragon Ball GT sucks.Wrong.Dragon Ball Super sucks.Correct.Dragon Ball Heroes sucks..........Dragon Ball Daima sucks.Wait untill it's finished.All the Dragon Ball movies suck.Not all of them.All the Dragon Ball video games suck.Not every one of them.The Dragon Ball manga sucks.Nope.The Dragon Ball Super manga sucks.I haven't read that yet.Dick and Balls sucks. It's always sucked.What?
>>273258807>>273258965>7 years for 20k views on Super>3 weeks for 30k views on DaimaIf anything, Daima is actually helping him lmao
I…I like browsing the catalog…
>>273258621>>273258800>>273258807>>273258857>>273258965>>273258950>IESLB>V*getaGet out of MY Halls NOW or face the consequences. You have FIVE seconds.
I just don't get it. If Toriyama wanted to go back to OG DB roots, why couldn't he just set the series in any of the 3 in-between tournament timeskips of OG DB?It's not like he's doing anything particularly interesting with the current cast. Shin is a blank slate, he could have used Popo or Karin in his place. Bulma would be in it. Panzy and Glorio are new characters. Piccolo is in this period and he'd probably more interesting as DKP or Piccolo Jr (el nino). Vegeta is the only missing piece but he seems out of place in this story anyway.All the fighting is back to OG levels, since opponents can't even fly or shoot Ki blasts.I feel you could adapt the story into the times timeskip between DKP and the 23rd TB and it would work just fine. Better because there is no stupid reset.
>>273258958Yes we do. This cast needs to breath. We've been eating Goku and Vegeta slop for the last 10 or 15 years. This is ridiculous. In truth Goku and Vegeta only truly teamed up during the Buu arc, it's a very small part of Dragon Ball.You faggots are completely missing the point. It's not about this or that character specifically. It's about new fresh blood and not reproducing the same patterns over and over.Look at the Buu arc. One of the highlights was Fat Buu and Satan, and the storydump made that clear. Satan almost carries the Buu arc. Super/Daima could never do that.Enjoy your "Garlic Gun! You remember this? Now Trunks does it too!" slop.Enjoy your "Makankosappo! You remember this? Piccolo will spam it everytime he has a fight!" slopEnjoy redoing everything that used to be new and created on the go because MEMBER BERRIESFuck you, fuck all of you retards. Dragon Ball will never be good again and you deserve it
>>273258825It's so weird how Heroes is pretty much what the fanwanking DBZ crowd wanted Super to be but they ignore it and hate it without checking it out >WE WANT TO EXPLORE MORE UNIVERSEScheck>WE WANT TO FOCUS ON MORE CHARACTERS THAN GOKU AND VEGETAcheck>WE WANT NEW EPIC STORIES FULL OF FIGHTS AND SERIOUS SHITcheck>WE WANT RETARDED MATCHUPS LIKE GOGETA AND JIREN VS BROLY AND BABY VEGETA checkHeroes literally strokes every fucking checkbox in the "DBZ western starterpack". The only thing it could do next is fucking hire Bruce Falcouner to do the OST.Yet when you bring this up and tell them to check it out, their first response is >Ew I don't want to watch that fanfic shitAnd then they proceed to rave about how awesome Blue Hair Goku vs Pink Hair Evil Goku was.The DB fandom is retarded
>>273259105>why couldn't he just set the series in any of the 3 in-between tournament timeskips of OG DB?Because Toriyama doesn't think at all.
>>273259105>All the fighting is back to OG levels, since opponents can't even fly or shoot Ki blasts.Did...did you even attempt to watch Daima before you shat on it?
>>273253445Visual media. Not like Super's writing is any better than its animation anyway.
Favorite Daima joke? I loved when Goku said he had to poop.
>>273259105Toei/Iyoku already had Daima outlined, Tori came later and did whatever adjustments to design/story he did, but the basic outline for Daima was already there. Seeing what Goku was up to in the years he fucked off with Kami would've been cool.
>>273259121It's not dubbed and also doesn't hide the fact it's an ad for gacha.
You will never have a good cast againYou are doomed to 20 more years of Goku/Vegeta rehashesNew recolorsNew toysNew merchExact same old plotlines
>>273259109>Projecting this hard because nobody likes Yamcha and his faggot ass shapeshifters Nobody mentioned disliking Buu or Hercule, that's just your own insecurities kek. We don't need loser characters like Yamcha
>>273259158I loved it when Goku said he was hungry several times in each episode.
>>273259158I liked when he called 'Glorio' Gorilo.
>>273258054>half is 80%ok
>>273259181It's not about Yamcha specifically, it's about having an actual cast free of "legacy Toei DB" constraintsAnd you'll never have thatYamcha would be way better than any of these, btw
>>273259109It's breathe you retarded piece of shit, BREATHE. If you're going to have a meltdown over this hit at least writ eit correctly.>one of the highlights of the Buu arc was Fat Buu and SatanHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no, it's as shit as the rest of it.>BUT GUYS, YOU CAN ONLY USE A CERTAIN TECHNIQUE ONCE EVER!!! IF YOU USE IT AGAIN THAT'S MUH NOSTALGIA PANDERING!!This is the kind of mental illness OGfags suffer from.
>>273259175Toyotaro will save the franchise.
Yamcha is based btw
>>273257353>They never fought in the 21st.The Anon meant challenges other than fighting. Krillin pretty much won that stone contest by being smarter than Goku. Goku lost that one.
>several posts with caps lock meltdownsThe catalog sure is an interesting place.
>>273259175>You will never have a good cast againGoku, Shin, Glorio, Panzy are pretty fine.>You are doomed to 20 more years of Goku/Vegeta rehashes The story has always been about Goku>New recolorsThe last one was in 2016 with Super Saiyan Rose >New toysI mean...yeah? Just like..every other...show?>New merchNot sure what your argument is anymore>Exact same old plotlinesWe have never traveled the demon realm before or dedicated a story to rescuing one of the main characters (Dende)
>>273259226Yamcha is a fucking loser and will never be relevant thankfully
>>273259240Based on what?
>>273259109>fresh new blood>wanting old characters to be prominentPick one.
God I wish you could talk about DB without the usual schizos coming in.
>>273259275>>New recolors>The last one was in 2016 with Super Saiyan Roseacktually, it's freiza negro
>>273259229>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no, it's as shit as the rest of it.Kill yourself faggot. You're not a Dragon Ball fan. The storydump proved you wrong. Satan parts were absolute highlights. The Buu arc was also way better than the Cell arc for most readers.>BUT GUYS, YOU CAN ONLY USE A CERTAIN TECHNIQUE ONCE EVER!!! IF YOU USE IT AGAIN THAT'S MUH NOSTALGIA PANDERING!!The issue isn't reusing a technique a few times, the issue is a series that is fundamentally unable to move on and create new shit. Everything is callback. For Toriyama, Makankosappo was the new technique he thought of for this month's subplot. For DBS, it's the member berries and there wont be any new technique to think about.ENJOY YOUR GOHAN BEAST (aka margarine SS2)ENJOY YOUR CELL SLOPENJOY YOUR GOLDEN FREEZA AND HIS RECOLORSENJOY YOUR SLOP, PIGGY, THAT'S ALL YOU DESERVE
>>273259121It's because they think they're too good for non-Toriyama works. They have this obsession with canon, or at least the most vocal people do, so as soon as it's something comes out and it doesn't have Toriyama's name on it or he doesn't say "in an interview" that he made x character they want nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter how official it is or how good it is at being everything they want, they need that seal of approval from Toriyama.
>>273259240>forced a woman to get an abortionThis is someone’s hero.
>>273259275>The story has always been about GokuThats why he has been out for almost 85% of the events of DBZ?
>anon 1 pretends like he understands what Dragon Ball is supposed to be and how to make it better >anon 2 pretends like he understands what Dragon Ball is supposed to be and how to make it better >anon 3 pretends-Listen, Dragon Ball has changed its formula and story multiple times over its run. We're all fans of different eras of it, whether the gag heavy adventure stuff or tournament martial arts focus or protecting the Earth from evil alien invaders. But don't try to act like you know what's best for Dragon Ball.
>>273259333>no true Scotsman fallacyKRAKABOOOOOOOM. Did not peruse the rest.
>>273259340That 85% is every character jobbing while praying for Goku to save them or wondering where Goku is.
>>273253367You mean the formula that defines Dragonball from it's inception?
>>273259321I'm talking about canon stuff not fanfiction thank you >>273259340>Saiyan >"WHERE'S GOKU WE NEED HIM HERE TO HELP US/SAVE THE DAY/FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAIN/ADVANCE THE PLOT!!!">Namek>"WHERE'S GOKU WE NEED HIM HERE TO HELP US/SAVE THE DAY/FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAIN/ADVANCE THE PLOT!!!">Android>"WHERE'S GOKU WE NEED HIM HERE TO HELP US/SAVE THE DAY/FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAIN/ADVANCE THE PLOT!!!">Buu>"WHERE'S GOKU WE NEED HIM HERE TO HELP US/SAVE THE DAY/FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAIN/ADVANCE THE PLOT!!!"
Can't wait for Jump Fiesta Daipafags.
>>273259385>Whenever Goku's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Goku?"
>>273259369What’s best for Dragon Ball is GT, because it made sure to end Dragon Ball and wanted you to feel that.
>>273259369>Listen, Dragon Ball has changed its formula and story multiple times over its runThis is why I don't mind Daima being its own thing. It's different from OG, that's different from Z, that's different from GT. Super tried to ape on Z and we got some of the worst fanfic tier shit possible. I'd rather they keep trying something new, instead of 60 more years of Z but horrible.
>>273259275>We have never traveled the demon realm before or dedicated a story to rescuing one of the main characters (Dende)Daima is slightly different from Super in the sense that it's less directly nostalgiabaiting and more of a wannabe RPG in anime form, so not all of the criticism still applies. But picking Vegeta and Piccolo is definitely retarded.>Goku, Shin, Glorio, Panzy are pretty fine.Kinda...? So far they've been pretty boring. The best are Glorio and Panzy. It's not great. But it could be worse.>The last one was in 2016 with Super Saiyan Rose We got God (red), Blue, Blue Kaioken, Blue++ for Vegeta, White, even fucking Purple. This is ridiculous. This is degeneration.>I mean...yeah? Just like..every other...show?When Toriyama made Super Saiyan, it wasn't to sell some figs. It was a plot point. Everything led to that. Even if it sold toys or whatever, it felt organic. Now we need recolors because IT'S DRAGON BALL WE NEED THE TRANSFORMATIONS
>>273259240>It is a manga famous for having treacherous underlings and subordinates taking their leader's place?????Outside of General Black, that never happened again in DB. If anything almost every single underling in DB except Vegeta was extremely loyal to their leader
>>273259240>Bulma got dumped by YamchaOh NO NO NO BULMABROS!/ourgirl/ got dumped and got MANLETjita on the rebound!
>>273259109I said this for years, they had a cast set up for a new generation of Dragon Ball, each of them retreads of their predecessors to an extent. If they absolutely need Goku, just give Goten his old hairstyle back and make him the leader of the group. GT's fatal mistake was not using Uub for the space expedition to really put him on the field to test his skills. You could bring in Goten, Bra and maybe Marron after that arc, but for all the hubbub with Goku training Uub, he really didn't get too many moments to shine.Super isn't really trying to use these characters either and when they did, it was a fucking retread of Super Hero instead of a new arc that firmly established Goten and Trunks with Pan, Bra and Marron at their side along with Uub creeping in, signifying the final chapter coming near.If they do a pure wipe of everything Super established going back to Battle of Gods, that would invalidate all the investment people put into the series and in order to keep the final chapter of the original manga intact, they have to do just that or pull an alternate timeline shtick which would also invalidate Super.tl;dr GT already sent the series off despite its flaws, and Super the anime should have never happened, they should have just made more films in place of it.
>>273259398>Z makes you wish goku was here>GT/Super/Daima makes you wish Goku was deadYeah, thats about it.
>>273259409No chapter in December either btw
>>273259449>When Toriyama made Super Saiyan, it wasn't to sell some figs. It was a plot point. Everything led to that. Even if it sold toys or whatever, it felt organic. Now we need recolors because IT'S DRAGON BALL WE NEED THE TRANSFORMATIONSUltra Instinct is the prime example of this.Shit wasn't even a transformation in the first place, just a fighting style, but gotta make it one to sell new toys and new merch.
>>273259466Do 17&18 killing Gero and Buu killing Babidi count?
>>273259446Funny part is I remember when Super was airing and when we'd get silly wacky episodes everyone always praised themIf Super was a short SoL comedy it probably would've been great
>>273259487Just focus on them and have Goku showing up at the end to defeat the big bad. Thats how it was in Z.
>>273259513You better fucking delete this. NOW.
>>273259369>Dragon Ball has changed its formula and story multiple times over its runThat's exactly what I'm criticizing, anon. I'm saying Super and Daima are so fucking scared to change anything. Super particularly, Daima is at least kind of trying to do something new - BUT NOT TOO MUCH. We need the familiar faces, or else people wouldn't watch.Let me ask you something.Do you think we'll ever see a main villain being defeated like pic related, in Dragon Ball Super/Daima? A ragtag group of the last survivors, much weaker than he is? Who edge out a win thanks to gravity of all things?I'll never happen again. The closest we got was Jiren's defeat, it wont go any further.You'll eat your transformation sloppa.
>>273259530>If Super was a short SoL comedy it probably would've been greatI would not mind this. Saiyaman was great and I wanted more of Gohan/other Saiyans around normal people.
>>273259530Super was legit 10 times more funny than Daima. What the fuck even happened, how did Toei devolve this hard
>>273258965>YouTube algorithm reflects what audience is interested in>Algorithm stops recommending Daima content after first epYup, yup! Daima interest fell off after ep 1 confirmed
>>273259369>>But don't try to act like you know what's best for Dragon Ball.>Franchise is on an all time low now>It used to sell better before>"You don't know what is best!"
>>273259398>"WHERE'S GOKU WE NEED HIM HERE TO HELP US/SAVE THE DAY/FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAIN/ADVANCE THE PLOT!!!"That's not really how things went down. Against the Saiyans, sure, but then it was up to Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe to finish the fight. On Namek, they were waiting for Goku but they had to do a lot of things by themselves to stall and save the Dragon Balls. It was perfectly fine. Goku didn't hog the screentime in Z, not at all: in fact some people argue Gohan was the Z MC.
>>273259449>When Toriyama made Super Saiyan, it wasn't to sell some figs. It was a plot pointI'm gonna stop you right there. He literally just got tired of inking Goku's hair in. There's no deeper meaning beyond that.
>>273259518I'll at least defend Ultra Instinct because it was very well executed, but the rest is so fucking lame.
>>273259521Oh yeah those do countNVM then
>>273259487The problem is that no matter how much we pretend otherwise the majority of people just want more tardku and bejita.You would think a Tenshinshan movie would be the best selling DB movie ever but we all know humanfags are just an obnoxiously loud minority.At the end of the day this is a business and the "next generation" aren't good for the pockets while continuing to push the same ever iconic characters is a safe and secure bet while trying to develop the "next generation" is a risk.
>>273252951Reject beefcakeReturn to cute
>>273259487I'll never understand the western fanbase's shitty obsession with having Goten Trunks Uub and Pan take charge as the MCs when they've been shown over and over again to be the most boring fucking protagonists on earth Super Hero Pan was actually a huge step up from her garbage GT incarnation though so I'll give you that
>>273259590Everyone knows that little bit of trivia anon. That's completely besides the point. Do you understand that Toriyama made a plot point about Super Saiyans and developed it into its own arc, buildup, and payoff? Do you think all of this writing and dialogues was about not inking Goku's hair?
>>273259549>Krillin at the centerTien Shithan could never. Man, why did Toriyama have to turn him into a coward after Namek
>>273259449>When Toriyama made Super Saiyan, it wasn't to sell some figs. It was a plot point. Everything led to thatNah, I just wanted a break from coloring in hair. [raughs]
>>273259549No I don't think we'll ever get anything like that again Now that Toriyama is gone
>>273259657>Man, why did Toriyama have to turn him into a coward after NamekI never understood this either. Even if Krillin was a bit afraid, he would always jump headfirst into action and trained to fight as best as he could. He took out most of the Saibamen himself too.
>>273259657That pissed me off so much in Super's RoF when Krillin was scared to fight Raditz tier villainsThis was the same man who (even if it's filler) willingly threw away his life to protect his family even for a few seconds? This loser???
>>273259633It's a pretty logical train of though.Here's the kids of OUR HEROES what kind of wacky hijinks they will get into just like OUR HEROES did in their heyday? How will they be able to succeed OUR HEROES and even surpass them?I mean, we had Gohan once. We saw him grow and develop and get into shit. Now it's an actual possible group. Far more complex dynamics and stuff are possible. Brand new interactions too.The idea is sound. The problem is that, well, they've never let them be their own characters. And they will never let them be so because of >>273259626 the things mentioned here.
>>273259530It’s because Super knew how to build up a joke and deliver the punchline. Daima doesn’t do that.
>>273258950>actual characters >weak, boring humans
>>273259626While I'm not that anon that has been my point from the startThe fanbase is cancerWriting for the fanbase is cancerMetrics are cancerDragon Ball is fucking poisoned because it's 2024 and we can't have Toriyama go "eh, guess what? I'll just completely change up my cast. Forget about the humans, I'll just have Satan step up here" or "let's start the Namek arc with just Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta while Goku is stuck on Earth". They just can't. People will whine.People want familiarity, and Dragon Ball will never be able to be original and fresh again.>b-but... Tenshinhan isn't popular!Ok. Sure. That's not a reason to keep producing only things that are popular. That's the literal definition of slop. You get SAFE, MARKETABLE corporate shit. This is what you deserve.
>>273259748Yeah yeah "I don't watch Daima but I hate it because" yes yes we've heard it before
>>273259718To be fair even Toriyama kinda ruined Krillin after Namek.
>>273259657>>273259690>>273259718Blame Toei.They were fucking obsessed with making Krillin into a pussy and comedy relief for some godforsaken reason.
>>273259811The Bojack movie was the worst example of that, they really ruined him.Well, I'll just stick to the manga up to Namek.
>>273259626Super Hero made as much money as Broly while being cgi slop and having Piccolo and Gohan as the main charactersThis whole GOKUGOKUGOKU obsession that also extended to BEJITABEJITABEJITA obsession came straight from Toriyama and nobody else. The guy simply hated characters younger than him.
>>273259530Because Super silly wacky episodes were low-stakes SoL where we saw the characters downtime and chilling with each other and stuff.It's a very different thing from Daima's comedy.
Dragon Ball hasn't been original since Battle of Gods Think about it>BoG introduces new lore, universes, a whole new type of ki, great cast of new charactersAnd then>LET'S BRING BACK FREEZA LMAO>LET'S REDO THE LAST TWO MOVIES LMAO>HERE'S A TOURNAMENT FEATURING...NOT FREEZA LMAO>LET'S BRING BACK TRUNKS LMAO... BUT AGAINST EVIL GOKU!>HERE'S ANOTHER TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!>LET'S BRING BACK BROLY>WHAT IF....WE BROUGHT BACK CELL>REMEMBER WHEN WE TURNED GOKU INTO A KID? LET'S BEING IT BACK
>>273259109>fresh new blood>wanting to shoehorn characters in that haven't been relevant since the Saiyan arc with some contrived nonsenseWhy are you retards always disingenuous like this? You don't care about the series' quality, you just want your favorite characters to be relevant despite any plot making them so would be contrived at best. You're the same kind of person who would get excited about some asspull transformation exclusively for the humans that suddenly puts them on par with Goku and Vegeta but you probably throw a fit any time either of them gets a new form because it's not your shitty Yamcuck or Tenshithan.
>>273259657>Man, why did Toriyama have to turn him into a coward after NamekYamcha had been character assassinated and Yajirobe faded into the background. The plot demanded another coward character.
>>273259851What a great fight. Piccolo being cocky at first and then at the end going "Ah shoot this may not be as easy as I thought..." after fighting Krillin really showed how strong our baldie had become without treating him like a loser
>>273259864>a whole new type of kiIt's so stupid that God ki amounted to fucking nothing.
>>273259852And guess why Gohan was fucking shoehorned into Super Hero? Why Iyoku convinced Toriyama to put him on it? Why we had to have scenes of Goku and Vegeta at Beerus planet during the movie?I'll assure it's not because they thought Piccolo alone would be a massive guaranteed best seller.
>>273259626It's sad that Dragon Ball became so corporate early on. It's clear Toriyama wanted to do other things and other ideas but the demand from the fans and the corporations that got their hands on the IP outweighed the man behind the IP. It's amazing how fast-paced the manga is and how it gets to the point while everything else about Dragon Ball is the exact opposite.>>273259633They need the opportunity to grow and develop, which they never got. That's the issue. If you aren't willing to take that risk, it'll never happen. You can't use GT as an argument either, they botched that one with de-aging Goku when they could have done things a lot differently. Dragon Ball always showed progression and new faces as it went on. How the fuck did everyone else but Toriyama miss that point completely?
>>273259926>What's God Ki like>It's Ki....that you can't sense unless you're a god!Super is just a huge example of how not to write a sequel series
>>273259275Like BeAsT gohAn ain't just a shity ssj2
>>273259864I'll always maintain that RoF is the root of everything that's gone wrong with modern Dragon Ball.Practically all the major issues started there.The trifecta of nostalgiapandering, character assassination and flanderization and recolor rehash transformations all originated there.
>>273259977What does the J mean?
Hot take, I wish Super Hero was a movie about Piccolo and Vegeta instead of GohanThey would have had an interesting dynamic, maybe Goku is training Broly so that's why they're away. Piccolo doesn't want to disturb Gohan's peace and asks the next best thing for help in taking down this new Android threat.
>>273259869>wanting to shoehorn characters in that haven't been relevant since the Saiyan arc with some contrived nonsenseYes let's have VEGETA again for the 434th time (because he's marketable) and PICCOLO (because he's marketable) instead :)Wait? You mean... because Vegeta and Piccolo are both serious we need to make Goku act like a retard to get some balance and it's stupid? Who cares? We got our Vegeta (Daima)® and Piccolo (Daima)® toy ready ;)You're a fucking idiot. We need to use more of the cast. We've got dozens of characters. Bring Buu. Bring Satan. Bring Krillin. Hell, bring Videl. Or Launch. Bring literally anyone with personality so we can have interesting interactions that aren't the same shit we've been seeing for DECADES.We could be seeing Goku and Krillin reminisce and their friendship. We could have some interesting Buu interactions with the majins. Maybe Satan could try to bullshit his way through the realm. Who knows? The possibilites are endless, you can make literally anything other than "Goku is silly, Vegeta is serious and wants to be le strong, Piccolo is also serious".
>>273259105
>>273260000Yep>Goku then "I didn't dodge because I didn't sense any malice. I knew you'd stop.">Goku now "I'll just lower my guard right in front of you and trash talk even while I know you're a sneaky bastard!"
>>273260001They just added it to not look similar to someone's.....
God I fucking hate you "enlightened" Dragon Ball fans>hah! I'm not DELUSIONAL about actually liking OG Dragon Ball! Unlike you I know that minor characters would score less than Vegeta on the popularity polls so that means we should discard them forever and stick rigidly to the popularity polls!>that's what made Dragon Ball great, right?
>>273260072It's not even Goku, even fucking Beerus got fucked over in F.Go watch BoG. You won't recognize who the fuck you're watching on the screen. BoG Beerus and Beerus since F are literally different people. Their character, behavior, mannerisms, everything is different. It's insane.
This is just sad
>>273260012>Vegeta and PiccoloYes, those are known as main characters. Do you understand what that means? Do you also screech about random background characters not being mains in books you read? Assuming you're even capable of reading.>because Vegeta and Piccolo are both serious we need to make Goku act like a retardGoku has always been a stupid goofball, he started as a country bumpkin who couldn't tell someone's gender without groping them. You haven't read/watched the original series.>Bring Buu. Bring Satan. Bring Krillin. Hell, bring Videl. Or Launch.There isn't a single character outside of possibly Buu that could work in a convincing and organic way in a plot that actually matters. You could do some shitty SoL mini arc that features most of those characters, but it wouldn't move the story forward. And before you start screaming "BUT IT SHOULD", there isn't a feasible way to move the story forward with characters that weak. This is Dragon Ball. It's battle shonen distilled to its purest form. The plot is driven forward based on power. If you don't like that then you're watching the wrong show.>We could be seeing Goku and Krillin reminisce and their friendship.Which is boring and unnecessary, because we've already seen their friendship, and they've already reminisced about it before, or did you not watch the anime lead-up episodes to the Cell Games?>We could have some interesting Buu interactions with the majins.This would work if Buu gave a shit and didn't have the mind of a childish retard. At beast you could have a sequence of Mr. Satan talking to them out of curiosity because he recognizes the term "Majin".>Maybe Satan could try to bullshit his way through the realm. Who knows?That's the point. You don't know, either. All you're doing is saying "WELL I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE BETTER BUT IT SUCKS", which is disingenuous.>leGoddamn it this entire post was bait
>>273260072It was so much worse than trash talk. He was actually trying to appeal to Frieza’s “good nature” and say he should leave and train some more, and maybe they can be sparring partners someday. It was as if the entire fight on Namek was deleted from his head.
>>273260103The fuck is this strawman? Of course the main characters shouldn't be backseated in favor of background characters. Thank fuck you're not a writer
>>273259851The Z movie portrayals of Krillin vary from each film. Sometimes he’s a total joke character like in Dead Zone, Super Android 13, the first Broly movie or Bojack; other times he does one cool thing like in Lord Slug, Meta-Cooler and the second Broly movie. Krillin’s appearance in Bio-Broly is interesting since he plays a central role in defeating him.
>>273260179It's so bizarre that Super tried to paint Goku as this completely retarded brute and Vegeta as this martial art savant when in Z it's the complete oppositeAdult Goku's characterization in Cell might as well have been completely deleted from the current canon
>>273260215Nostalgiafags are a funny bunch.
>>273260103>having greentext conversations with yourselfAbsolutely mindbroken.
>>273260195>Yes, those are known as main charactersBecause Dragon Ball kept changing. Had Dragon Ball continued "organically" after Buu and by Toriyama you'd have more new characters and it wouldn't be the Goku and Vegeta show all over again. Because Toriyama doesn't write by rehashing what he made.>Goku has always been a stupid goofball, he started as a country bumpkin who couldn't tell someone's gender without groping them. You haven't read/watched the original series.Goku is 40 years old you fucking retard. Daima Goku doesn't behave like Z Goku or even kid Goku. He behaves like a weird toned down Superku, made more stupid for the sake of providing cheap comedy but not as stupid as Superku.>There isn't a single character outside of possibly Buu that could work in a convincing and organic way in a plot that actually mattersSays who? Powerlevels are off the table in this verse. All that matters is PERSONALITY. We have dozens of characters with different personality and history. They could all provide with lots of new interesting stuff and a sense of SCALE. We could have the actual Dragon Ball universe feel big and enjoyable again instead of cycling through the same 3-4 characters over and over again because of corporate mandates.>Which is boring and unnecessary, because we've already seen their friendshipI can't wait to see Vegeta say "I'm the only one who can beat you Kakarot! I'm the prince of all Saiyans" ;)>That's the point. You don't know, eitherI'm not the writer, nigger. I'm giving random shitty ideas I thought off while shitposting on the imageboard. I'm not supposed to one up the writers, I'm just showing that they could do many, MANY things infinitely more interesting than rehashing the same shit all over again.If you faggots were around for Dragon Ball, Toriyama would have never done something as original and fresh. It would have never been able to reinvent itself. Fuck you.
Isn't making all people with pointy ear demons the opposite of adding lore?
>>273260336>this is the same man who will not understand the purpose of meditation in roughly 10 years
>>273260215Then I guess Z is shit because Goku took a backseat, lost a huge amount of screentime in favor of everyone else, and that was when he was the most relevant plotwise since he was a Saiyan.Never write anything, nigger.
>>273260340>random shitty ideasAt least you admit that you're retarded and have nothing but garbage to offer. But you're just baiting and shitposting so I won't entertain you any longer. Keep seething I won etc etc
>>273253340>>273253346>Daima is great because uh.....SUPERSUPERSUPERSUPER
>>273260372You're a genuine 70 IQ mongoloid. Never share the turd you call an "opinion" on art or storytelling ever again.
F-FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>273260362Pretty much. WE WUZ is mocked for a reason, after all.
>>273260195it could be better by>having stakes that we the audience are made to care about and are urgently felt>a plot that actually moves, ending each episode with the promise of something next week that you might want to see>fights with meaningful enemies>jokes that aren't terrible>an onscreen cast that is actually interesting or has some kind of chemistryPeople have been saying all of this since the first episode, this is basic screenwriting 101. Daima fails because the plot has no tension and doesn't move, the action has no point, the characters aren't interesting and the comedy isn't funny.
>>273260215This. Only popular characters should be allowed to do things.Yajirobe cutting Bejita's tail? Nope, should have been Goku ripping it off with his mindGohan, Krillin, Bejita and Piccolo fighting Freeza in his first forms? Nope, should have been just Goku and Bejita fighting him the whole timeTien shooting a Kikoho at Cell? Nope, should have been Goku throwing a kamehamehaMr Satan making friend with Buu? Nope, should have been Goku teleporting from heaven and talking to him about how hungry he isWhy did he hate money so much? Thank GOD that senile fuck gave me the rights before his death, now I can make the franchise a trillionaire brand with my genius ideas!
>>273260249It's funny how Bio Broly is so hated when it's the only movie until Super Hero happened that was not a Goku-focused movie or had Goku playing a pivotal role somehow.
>>273260340>>273260370>>273260392Kek look how mad this samefag is getting after getting BTFO and being forced to admit that all his ideas are shit.
DUDEGOKU SAID GORIRO INSTEAD OF HIS ACTUAL NAME AGAINLMAOA THIRTY SOMETHING IS UNABLE TO PRONOUNCE THIS OTHER CHARACTER NAME SO FUNNY LMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>273260415You will never have good Dragon Ball again. You are a soulless corporate slop eater and will clap at every single safe writing choice made by committee.
>>273260336I like how Ten's shocked at Goku's words in the background.
>>273260405I'm so tired man. I don't know how much influence burgers have on Dragon Ball but they certainly are a blight on it.
>>273260179Meanwhile, a not often considered to be a retard in Trunks.
>>273260491If I ever saw someone wearing this shit I'd fucking punch them
>>273260362>>273260401No dumb dumbs we've established this back in episode 3All demons have pointy earsNot all pointy ears are demons
>>273260500And then later on Cell gets so butthurt he forgets his own shittalking and falls for the same trap he once mocked.We will never get writing as smart ever again.
Wtf bros? Why is Oozaru Gohan fighting Vegeta (forma de Kienzan)?Why isn't Goku going Kaioken x30 to beat Vegeta?
>>273260500Trunks is a fascinating character >Has the coolest design>Best character intro>Immediately falls into constant stream of Ls and jobbing and being a retard like his father for the rest of the story >Only regains his character in the last 2 chapters when he takes out the Androids >Somehow fans ignore the middle part
>got BTFO so hard he can't stop seething and posting false equivalences
>>273260370>another strawmanThe humans were already outclassed by the end of OG. Krillin was given a pass because he’s Goku’s best friend.
>>273260586The apple didn't fall far from the tree
Why can't you fuckers ever discuss Dragonball normally?Any thread about it always gets invaded by schizo retards from the general and just dissolves into shitflinging nonsense
>>273260685It's not about powerlevels, faggot. It was never about them. They've been abolished long ago. Freeza was outclassed 5 arcs ago and now he's number one. Right now it's about writing a new story with a fresh cast and interesting interactions, anything other than soulless corporate rehashes written by committee.
>>273260586Because Trunks' faults are justifiable and understandable.He came from a post-apocalyptic hellhole and all he learned was from a Gohan who only trained and fought until Namek who also thought vanilla Super Saiyan was the peak.It was the blind leading the blind. And when he arrives at the present again he's completely blindsided by all the changes taking away his one and only real advantage.Trunks having zero-battle smarts, and being too much of a pussy to confront Bejita who he half-idolizes half-is scared of, are both completely understandable when you take into account his situation.
>>273260739This is normal. We are debating what Dragon Ball is/should be, how Goku has changed as a character, and what these things mean for the series going forward.
>>273260739This is normal fucking moron maybe read the actual thread
>>273254351Goku wouldn't defeat Zamasu because he forgot the mafuba seal in the bathroom. Twice.
>>273260739We are. You’re just the usual complaining BITCH because you lost an argument.
>>273260908Which led to an entire timeline being deleted too.
>>273260746I don't think a soulless corporate rehash written by committee would have spend the first half dozen episodes of the new Dragon Ball show on a meandering shartventure with Goku and some bland nobodies in bland land with no villain of consequence. A shitty committee would have the cast we know set up to fight some new powerful villain who's threatening the Earth because reasons(and frankly, that'd be a good thing, dragon sloppa doesn't need to reinvent the wheel). This is an entirely different kind of blunder.
>>273260739I'm enjoying the seething rage in the thread right now, i'm still trying to figure out who's the boogeyman that's ruining the series, the ameriburguers or the spics
>>273260739>the generalWhat general? There are none in the catalog.
>>273260949Like I said above, I agree that Daima tries some new things. They agreed to go with the "adventure and comedy" concept, except they didn't go all in and had to fall back on safe and established Vegeta/Piccolo. Which is a shame.
>>273256164BoG is "good" as a piece of fan service that doesn't change the canon. You see, Goku can no longer turn sayayín rojo at the end so it fits with End of Z.Resurrection "F" was garbage and so was all of Super and Heroes.Daima is OK.
>>273260949>>273260992That's my biggest issue with Daima.It feels half-baked. Like it's trying new things but also playing it safe. It's not truly going the distance.
>>273260693Post kwab(1265).jpg
I can't believe we live in a timeline where a black guy provide better information than all of those geekdom101 spics and other pathetic white sissies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOaN15IYsrg
>Toyobandito loves black men
>>273256598>muh humor is le sanitized!The original DB jokes cannot be made anymore. Censorship in Japanese TV has changed in the past 40 years. They can no longer show Goku's balls, have topless female characters or make jokes about Bulma's pussy.Hell, they had to censor Z Kai and remove most of the gore. Goku no longer has a hole in his chest after Piccolo pierces it with his attack against Raditz.
>>273261052Say WHAT
>>273261052That dude's videos are pretty okay.I like the ones where he goes over Gohan and I completely agree with him.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOaN15IYsrgIt's such a shame that DBO never went anywhere, and never will anymore, considering so many of its ideas and concepts were cannibalized by Heroes and Xenoverse.Gohan writing a book about ki and sparking a martial arts revolution on earth is an extremely kino concept.But hey instead of that we'll get Gohan learning the same lesson for the tenth time next time how exciting!
>>273261041Just like GT.
>>273261103Dandandan has an underage girl getting raped in the first episode. Kill yourself Toeishill.
>>273260825I was, but sorry if seeing ieslb kwab bejita yup yup halls scholar yabba dabba doo shit turns me off most of it
>>273260953Enjoy the seethe all you want. I'm just bummed to see the one series that distinguished itself by its creativity, boldness and ability to keep moving forward becoming safe corpo slop.I hate this fanbase because if you were around back then and had any influence, Dragon Ball wouldn't even be the quarter of what it is. Actually it's kind of the opposite. I'm glad Toriyama was at the right place at the right time. Otherwise Goku wouldn't have become a father and then a grandfather so fast. He wouldn't have married Chichi for a joke setup in the first volume. There wouldn't be any of these timeskips.
>>273261048here u go senpai
>"Gliro, I gotta shit! Please, Bliro, I can't hold it in any longer! I gotta shit so bad, Blorio! Oh no, I'm farting! I can't stop! I can't stop farting! GLERIO, PLEASE! AHHHH! MY ANUS IS MOVING ON IT'S OWN! I'M SHITTING!!! WAKU WAKU!!! I'M GETTING EXCITED FROM FARTING AND SHITTING AT THE SAME TIME!!! AHHHHHH!!! Ahhhhh... yeah! Flioro, that felt so good! Huh? What was that, Panzy? Did I wash my hands? Hehe, no."Why is he like this?
>TroonTroTroon
>>273261103It doesn't have to be dicks and balls. You can still make bold and funny jokes that aren't overtly safe. Make characters look goofier, sometimes less nice.
>>273261187B-But Goku has ALWAYS been like this! I swear! Here, let me post this page that does not at all back up my argument!
>>273261052BBC always wins
>>273261131GT at least had the balls to be past EoZ and break the status quo.But then again back then there was no status quo. And it could be argued that GT is one of the reasons why they're so reluctant to go past EoZ again, not wanting to fuck-up like that again.
>>273261299Yes, GT is actually incredibly bold in its sense of finality. It's kinda shit but they at least preserved the sense of time.
sex with Daima Goku
>>273252951>Watching Dragonball Daima is a Humiliation Ritual for FansThis was already the case with Super though.
I believe in EoZ
>>273261299GT continued the progression that Dragon Ball established, up to actually moving on from the main character himself. That's probably the big reason they don't want to go past the final chapter, they may actually have to retire Goku and to an extent, retire Dragon Ball.
I believe in EoGT
>>273261299GT is better than Super and Daima. The fanbase shit on it for so long and now they're seeing how much worse it could have been.
>>273261138DanDaDan (learn to write you stupid retard) has a higher age rating than both Dragon Ball Super and even Dragon Ball Z Kai.Original Dragon Ball would be heavily censored or receive a much higher age rating.>>273261219Go back to Dragon Ball. Remove all the sexual innuendos and Goku's balls and you end up with something far more similar to Daima than you want to admit.Dragon Ball Online is full of humor and it's all Daima-like. Guess what? If they added a kid's penis on the game the age rating would've shoot up to 21.Dragon Ball's (and Dr Slump's) humor is simply not allowed anymore.
>>273261511It's incredible how you GTfags cannot help yourselves. You're given an inch and always take the mile.
>>273256719Trannies only started watching Daima because of Episode 6 no doubt
>>273261299GT should've been the Goten/Trunks adventure. Kid Goku was a gigantic fucking mistake and so was all the stupid power levels at the end.
>>273261511It's incredible how you GTGODS can help yourselves. You take an inch and always give a mile.
>>273261511GT is better than Super and Daima like eating stale bread is better than eating a mouthful of sand
>Diaper WonderlandI don't even care anymore. Glorio VS Goku didn't look very good. I saw better fights several decades ago and they supposedly put a great deal of money and time into this. Doesn't give me any faith for future battles. So, the fights don't look great, ok, how about the humor? Dr.Slump humor injected into Dragon Ball, with Goku unable to hold back his gas and shit. I don't know why they thought that would be a good idea, but it wasn'tAll I have is Dr.Arinsu to look forward to
>>273253340>>273253346>both by Toei Philippines So you're saying Super 2 or whatever that comes after it will be better than this kiddy garbage.Guess i don't have to tune into it and wait for Jump Fiesta.
>>273261518>Remove all the sexual innuendos and Goku's balls and you end up with something far more similar to Daima than you want to admitFuck off faggot. Dragon Ball was funny, fast paced, kept adding new stuff. It was a lot funnier and less sanitized. It didn't have to be about sex, just making characters do goofy stuff instead of this really half assed, shy stuff.
>>273261607I remember how even as a kid I was super butthurt about Goten getting cucked by Pan.I think Kid Goku would have worked had he'd been truly depowered and through the trip he plays the mentor/teacher role to the others be it Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub, Bra or fucking Marron. Where they're the ones who have to pull their weight and get their shit together and shape-up under Goku's guidance.
>>273261662Kid Chi Chi was so cute.Where did all go so wrong? Fuck Toriyama contrarianism making her a bitch just to fuck with Torishima.
>>273261639Dr Slump had a wacky tone and every character was their own brand of retarded, Daipa is just boring nothing and then goku has to poop uh oh goku farted big stinky!! POO POO PEE PEE
>>273261701She wasn't really a bitch anon, she's somewhat reasonable in the manga (except in comedic scenes).
>>273261639I fucking wish Daima had half of Slump's humor.Even the literal shit on a stick jokes had a real purpose on Slump.
He could have stopped it all...
>>273261675It always bother me that each time they do a kid goku story they still have him keep the ability to go super saiyan
>>273261607I completely disagree.>Goten/TrunksNow that kind of series would be a complete mistake. Kid Goku is carrying everything (be it GT or Daima) on his shoulders because nobody would be watching JOBten series.
>>273261730Her jumping over Goku's broken body completely ignoring him and then not giving a shit even afterwards when called out on it was not very funny.
>>273261544>You're given an inch and always take the mile.The miles were always ours to take. OG was the starting point, Z paved the road, GT is the house at the end of the street. It's that simple. They keep making midquels for a reason.
>>273261709Yes, they just don't have many ideas to make fun things.I guess that bull was decent. I liked it.
>>273261299>not wanting to fuck-up like that againYou're a retard if you think they think that. GT is a success considering it's being relevant in every piece of DB media to this day.They don't want to go past EoZ because they do NOT want to rewrite GT. Whine about it how much you want, it's true. Everyone in charge of DB appreciates GT.
>>273260746>Freeza was outclassed 5 arcs ago and now he's number one....because he's no longer outclassed. He is in fact significantly stronger than everyone except the deities.Do you see how this works?
>>273261675Pan is infintiely better of a character than Goten ever was. And she is also cute, unlike Goten.
>>273261736I'll admit that one of the most memorable moments on GT for me as a kid was when Goku went Super Saiyan for the first time. It was really hype for some reason.Even just now in Daima I couldn't help but feel excited as Goku was doing so against Glorio. It just had impact. Something sorely lacking of the transformations nowadays. That was something I liked on Broly too.
>>273261770Context. I'm not saying she's being super nice here, but she's concerned for her 4 year old (now 5) child she didn't see for a year.
>>273253362>dark and violentThe first thing Daipa did was removed bodily damage of Vegeta's forehead after Jewji TV shifted it to a TV slot. It's not going to be anywhere as violent or gorey as KnY or MiA. Not even the Super manga or Wanpiss.Enjoy your safe garbage.
>>273261804>>273261793Holy delusional.
>>273261810.... Because the writers said, one day "hey, for this dumb arbitrary reason we could use on anyone, he's not outclassed anymore".Which means exactly what I've said: powerlevels don't matter one bit in Super. Fucking Krillin fought Goku after he unlocked God Ki and pushed him.>h-holding ba-Shut the fuck up.
>>273261052Nice try we know you shill your videos up hereThey're nice, at least they don't try to be reactionary to simple info like Reekdom
>>273261870Cope.
>>273261831Super Hero Pan and EoZ Pan, sure.GT Pan? Fuck no.Goten may be a non-character but a 0 is still better than a negative.>>273261846That's why I said "even afterwards".
>What do you want, uncouth warrior of Universe 7? I already said I refuse to fight you.>Hey Jorgen, you got any toilet paper? I really gotta poop.
>>273261846I doubt she's very eager to get close to her pungent, absolutely stinking and filthy husband. By this point, deep regret has no doubt set in and all that's left in her marriage she can salvage is her child, that just got beaten half to death due to Goku
>>273261883>because [of power levels]I'm glad we agree. Didn't read the rest of your impotent seething.
>>273261912>why dont kid goku act the same as adult gokuyou are retarded
>>273261912kek
>>273259864Gee, i wonder who was responsible for that?
>>273261846Yeah and then she physically abuses her bedridden husband who is literally lying completely broken in a hospital bed because if he wasn't then Gohan would be dead.Chi-Chi is a fucking cunt.
>>273261662Roshi getting flushed down his own toilet is my favorite gag in OG.
>>273261911It's... not nice here but not to the point where I'd start disliking her or anything. Some characters act unpleasantly sometimes and she had a really good context for that.Consider pic related, Bulma was moody and acting like a bitch before going on Namek and I think it's fine. Makes me like her even more in fact. Of course Chichi is different and I don't think she's as fleshed out as Bulma so this doesn't apply perfectly. But still.
>>273261955He's a 30yo man in a child body, don't kid yourself. Even in GT his mental faculties weren't this compromised.
>>273261924I accept your concession.
>>273261955>why (do not) kid goku act the same
>>273262009You lost. Get over it.
>>273261967Anime trash. As always.Never watch the SHITnime.>>273261969It's actually really funny.
This is what daipafags want btw.
>>273261912Keky? POOPY.
>>273255783>Compared to Super Goku he's still the epitome of maturity, Super Goku would have gone SUGOI I WONDER WHAT KIND OF STRONG PEOPLE THERE WOULD BE IN THE DEMON REALM WAKU WAKU but here Goku's first priority and first thing he said was "we've gotta fucking save Dende"Super is the problem in this case, not Daima. Super butchered Goku's character like it did with pretty much everything else.
>>273262028>d-doesn't countConcession accepted.
>>273261997if kid goku acted the same as adult goku then everyone would say its boring and nothing changed
>>273261987Yeah but Bulma's always been a prissy petty bitch and it's ultimately over something insignificant so it's not really a big deal. Plus Bulma's ever been helpful and oftentimes a keystone character in the series so that gives her a lot of points.Bulma's got a lot of pluses alongside her cons so her cons get a pass.
>>273261052>Casual Ani-Oh, it's you again.Fuck off shill
>>273262054>it's for the excitement and entertainment value!Then why is everyone bored?
>MY LITTLE PRECIOUS DEFENSELESS BABY BOY (who's been in the top 3 strongest beings on Earth since he was 4) MUST SPEND HIS EVERY WAKING MOMENT STUDYING TO MAKE ME LOTS OF MONEY WHEN HE GROWS UP- ER I MEAN BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT HIS FUTURE! OH YOU CAN MAKE ME A LOT OF MONEY IN A TOURNAMENT? FUCK YOUR STUDYING GO TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!We HATE bitch-bitch here.
>>273262025>you don't get it man we can't have these old characters because their powerlevel is too low>what about this old character with a low powerlevel>well they pulled bullshit to avoid the issue>so they could do the same for any character they want, right?>I WON BABY!Am I being trolled?
>>273262092>non-Dragon Ball imageDidn't even read.
>>273262032>animeDiscarded.>>273262053>animeDiscarded.
>>273262049Daima could have fixed it and yet it hasn't. Even if Super originated the issue Daima's doing nothing to help it.
>>273262054How about bringing actual kids for the kid stuff and letting Goku be enthusiastic but not retarded?
>>273262080better rating and more excitemenent than super lol
>>273262092>Dragon Ball videoDid absolutely watch.
>>273262136Where? >>273258077
>>273261804>>273261793GT was specifically placed in an area that didn't get in the way of the original run. Super and Daima did what it avoided and it's messy all around, mainly Super. That alone gives it an edge over the other series because it can be ignored or acknowledged without any consequences. Daima and Super being 'canon' means people will take it seriously and it's clear that both series are going back on what the original manga established or trying to shoehorn new elements into the story sloppily.
>>273253362>Thinks TROONma will get dark and violentHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>better rating and more excitemenent than super lol
>>273261793>GT is the house at the end of the streetIf that were true, it wouldn't been cancelled so soon on top of your older fanbase trying to continue on top of it via AF
>>273262165>even lower than any Kefla/Gohan episode LOL
>>273262159>it can be ignored or acknowledged without any consequencesAnd yet it never is. Not by you, not by me, not by anyone.
>>273262120Daima is just adding gags of Goku needing to empty his bowels, being smelly, not bathing, not washing his hands and being disgusting on top of it all. Like he wasn't already ruined enough. Toei wants this for Goku going forward, so they aren't going to pivot anytime soon. "WAKU WAKU, I gotta shit!" Goku is his character now
>>273256716He's 31 officially. He's 30 when he's revived and Daima is one year after Buu.
>>273262238Reminder
Goku vs bar thugs? I clapped.Goku vs Gendarmie soldiers? I cheered.Goku vs the king’s guards? I applauded.Goku vs Gloryhole? I celebrated.
>super kissless sociopathic retard goku>daima pee pee poo poo gokuchoose
>>273262275Goku brushes his teeth
>>273262216And that's very vindicating and I'm glad that GT is getting its flowers indirectly by Super and Daima shitting the bed, mainly the former.
>>273262032That was a fun fight and hard to predict the outcome
>>273262238...until a SAVIOR appeared.
>>273262275DERETE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>273262165KEK the funniest thing is that faggot daipa shill always shows higher numbers when he tries to shit on super, what a retarded scat pedo shill.
>>273262275>>273262292He such a big boy! Too bad getting hit on the head one too many times resulted in Daima Stinku.
>>273262275Daipabros... and we call ourselves true fans?
>>273254340>I'm sorry to say this, but no teenager or adult can enjoy this series,It feels like the original Dragon Ball where I enjoy watching it but I'm also obviously outside it's age category and would have liked it more if I had watched it earlier.
>>273253362>i saw DBAF/Deliverance/Kakumei/Multiverse and heard of Dragon Ball the post
>>273262150in realy worldhttps://myanimelist.net/anime/56894/Dragon_Ball_Daimahttps://myanimelist.net/anime/30694/Dragon_Ball_Super?q=dragon%20ball%20super&cat=anime
>>273256453>and most of the Cell arc high points have nothing to do with Goku.Yes. He's a waste and should have been retired. Having him be the one to solve the plot at the end is cowardice.
>MAL>more IESLB
>>273253220we could focus on other characters like pan trunks and goten but instead we get goku for the millionth time
>>273262368OG Dragon Ball is ageless.
Remember Cool Goku?
>>273253362>tranny hairsHuh?
>>273262428It's not. It's watchable, but it's less fun as a adult than as a kid. I won't put in on the level of something like most of the old Disney movies that genuinly ARE timeless.
<- my favorite episode of Daima
>>273262439Apparently non-yellow hair dyes are le bad
>>273257714Well, obviously. Still, the fact that the franchise finds it so hard to escape Z does always surprise me.
>>273262458That dinosaur would’ve killed Glorio.
>>273262450>watchableI'm talking about the manga. The anime is kinda dumb.
I hate Iyuko with passion for ruining my favorite franchises
>>273262423>but instead we get goku for the millionth timeGood.
>>273262489The manga is the same.It's a fun read, but reading it as a kid and reading it as a adult are very different experience. Especially because of how many characters are build around being appealing to kids.
>>273252951is it now?great then
>>273262423>we get goku for the millionth timeDisgusting
>>273262081Gohan likes to study though. He doesn't like fighting, he never did. Chichi is unironically a better parent than Goku for realizing Gohan's preferences.>she's le forcing him to studyDbza fanfiction.
>>273262528>The manga is the same.Nope.I don't even care about your standards or your conclusion or what's timeless and whatever. The manga is objectively very, very different from the anime, and it's not even about filler.
Daima doesn’t even have good lolis like OG or GT.
funny how when you points out daima is more popular with actual facts and not schizophrenia you exit kek
>>273262542The manga is a much easier read and way less of a timesink. With that said though, most of the stories and characters are still very simple and immature. As a adult it's fun, but not much else. For kids, it is genuinly much more appealing.
>IESLBDone? Done.
>>273262238Daima is based and canon
imagine how hard this could've been. it seemed like super manga was heading in this direction as well but toriyama croaked just as things were shaping up.
Notice how this thread went to absolute shit the minute /DBS/ tourists found it
>>273262617What is so "hard" about itPlease enlighten me>OMG CHARACTER I SAW BUT...LE ADULT>OMG OMG OMG IS THAT LE GALATIC DONUT...BUT AS A LE ADULTtell me fagg
>>273262590It's not about being a timesink or not. It's about basic tone, dialogues delivery, comedic pacing. It's the very DNA of the story. It's the execution. If you think the anime and the manga are anywhere similar beyond sharing the plot outlines (which are neither kiddy/immature nor adult oriented, they're just... basic decent outlines), you have no critical thinking.
>>273262538Yeah I'm sure his dream to become a great scholar came entirely from his own preferences when he was 3 years old and not from his mother who already had him in cram school. Also "Gohan doesn't even like fighting" is the DBZA fanfiction
>>273262165>higher rating than one piecethat's more than enough dragon ball. especially when you combine with all the streaming services.
>>273262550It has cute bulky demon women tho
>>273262649gotenks was based. seeing characters age from kid to adult is one of the best things in battle shonen.
>>273255229>>273256662mappa influence
Can goku beat black hole?
>>273262617Reminder the Shadow Dragon/God Mission trailers was literally "what if GT had more time in the oven"
Someone post bulla I'm HORNY
>>273253362>trannytrannytrannytrannytrannytrannyWarped.
Can we appreciate the fact that Goku told the doc he got these injuries from fighting aliens?Also the nice exchange with Roshi bringing him cake. It's cute
>>273262738bulla I’m HORNY
>>273262032>krillinfags think he's stronger than tienKek he struggled with chiaotzu
>>273262817He surpassed Tien in the Saiyan arc.
>>273262630But I was always here.
>>273262769And the doctor doesn't believe him, even though this is the very same day that those aliens blew up a fucking city, and his friend and son also in the same hospital were two of the ones who were fighting them, as filmed and broadcast by multiple news networks.
>>273262869They only filmed the flying ships, not the aliens. But yeah, Earthlings are hilariously dumb.
>>273262869The West City residents simply chalked it up to be dirty East City propaganda.
>SUPERSUPERSUPERSUPERSUPERSUPERSUPERSUPER
>>273262831Cope
>>273259150>Not like Super's writing is any better than its animation anywayBut a demon power struggle is okay?
>>273263016>those colorsfanon dogshit
>>273263016>non official powercharts
>>273263055>krillin needs the help of piccolo >tien fought him with 1 handThey aren't comparable
>>273263096The upper part is Krillin fighting Nappa alone. To be fair it doesn't prove anything but they should definitely at least stand on equal ground.
>>273263096Krillin actually fought him. Tien literally poured his entire life in to his ultimate attack only for Nappa to no-sell it.
>>273262792Now post My name is Bejita and I'm a smelly doo doo head
>>273262649Because it's cooler than them fumbling the fusion for no reason again. GT Goten was a chad, GT Trunks was a good dude. They'd have made for a non-brat Gotenks.
>>273262762>Most of the comments are completely confused with some in the community even feeling like he is reaching Mistare really fucked up
Daipa Lost
