Can someone please explain to me how right around the time of the Namek saga and then continuously from the original series all the way into Super, Toriyama started leaning way too deep into making Goku a Jesus figure when he's so fucking terrible at it and he does this without the consent of the human race who mostly do not understand the type of cosmically indifferent existence theyre forced to live in. Goku thinks he relates to the people when really if anything his existence on earth is evidence that humanity can never truly be safe unless the Z-Fighters own up to all the horrible shit that seems to gravitate their wayWhy did Toriyama do this? Rewatching the series makes you realize every horrible thing is Goku's fault and how destroyer gods basically need to force their hands to remind Goku that no one gives a shit about his fake pacifism that I dont even think he believes in.
>dubfag
>>273331518>Rewatching the seriesthat's the problem. read the manga.
>>273331518stop being a retarded xtian
>>273331518did we watch the same show? i don't recall goku ever being presented as "jesus", if anything he's lazy and irresponsible at times
>>273331518>toriyama D*bkek I....
>>273335648You cant be serious. This shit literally begins right when Goku fights the Ginyu Force who're established as a Merc Group who work directly for Frieza and have body counts literally in the thousandsIts from that interaction onward it creates a chain where everytime Goku is about to fight someone he simply asks them to take their atrocities elsewhere not fixing the problem at all just taking it somewhere where he cant see or sense it.
>>273331518>Dubfag
Because you watched the Z anime. In the manga he's never like that.
>>273331518>Toriyama started leaning way too deep into making Goku a Jesus figureToriyama never did this a single time ever in anything he ever did in his entire life.
>>273335789That's the reverse of trying to show him as Jesus though. It's Toriyama trying to show that Goku helps his friends and people in front of him, but he's no super hero and is fine with evil happening elsewhere, seeing potential in these guys and wanting to fight against them again.Later on the Buu Saga he outright kills Babidi's henchmen with no hesitation since they were irrelevant to him power-wise.
>>273331518Jesus never would've given Cell a senzu bean.
>>273331518The final Dragon Ball redpill is realizing that Goku is not jesus nor a hero whose main goal is to protect earth from evil, but a unstoppable force that only cares about fighting strong opponents and nothing else. He just happened to feel empathy for humans because he was raised by one after hitting his head and grew up alongside them while learning their culture and morality, if he never hitted his head and continued to live with his saiyan instincts guiding him he would be no different of a god of destruction like Beerus, he would destroy everything that don't bring him delicious food or that bores him in the battlefield.
>>273336667And now Goku is friends with the literal creator of reality and Goku basically gave him the command to nuke Future Trunk's shit time out of existenceSee Goku has -1 in intelligence but all his skill tree in strength, speed and luck. He's an idiot savant.
>>273331518The editors did that. And the animation studios did that too. Toriyama pointed out how they didn't capture the real Goku and tried too hard to make him a savior.
>>273336838Then vowed to fix it with Super and Daima.
>>273336871And he did. He made Goku back to his old brain damaged self.He was selfish and stupid and was technically a threat himself if the Dragonballs didn't exist.
>>273336910I know, it was great.
>>273336918I agree
>>273331518God, I fucking you ameritard DB "fans" so fucking much.You're a million times more cancerous than the spics you so much deride. At least spics don't parade a literal fanfic as the real and true and best DB unlike you cancer burgers do.
>>273338144No, it was Mexico that was making shit up.
>>273331518Goku is best when he's rocky balboa.For some reason Tori had to turn him into a god nearly to fight other gods. He wrote himself into a trap I think and couldn't figure out what to do.I know this, because his other stuff from that period was better constructed and it's because he had a fresh canvas perhaps.What he should have done instead was just kill Goku on Namek and then restart things with Gohan. That would have worked far better.And then you could see Vegeta mature more too cathartically, seeing Gohan struggle without his father and knowing he was partially to blame for what started the whole mess. Then have Trunks come in to further that discovery arc for Vegeta. Then have him find success and protecting Earth - only to die himself or something. Alternatively, Vegeta could suffer again for not understanding the lesson on Namek. Have Trunks die or something in front of him.
>>273338428gohan is not a replacement for goku, douwhy do you think buu arc ended up the way it did?
>>273336910while it was good move, goku's tardiness got undermined by the fact, that he is the very reason why other faggy universes even got a chance at survival, they should've sucked his cock relentlessly for unintentionally saving their assess and of course, he affected 17 too, who ended up directly bringing other universes back to life
>>273338240Spics got completely accurate and faithful dubs.Meanwhile practically every english dub is nothing but fanfic and the older it is the more fanfic it and full of made-up shit it is.And then there's the Adbridged faggots.And all of those Americans love to parade as better than the actual Dragon Ball.Americans are by far and wide the most cancerous DB "fans" out there.
>>273339221Yeah, but all the other Gods were coping and seething about it, they needed a convenient target to direct their butthurt and since they cannot direct it at Zen-O they settled on Goku.They even get called out on it many times but they all decide to pretend they didn't get told the fuck out.
