Emmited nen beast are Astral projected.
>>273426389
Fujo's worst nightmare
>>273426509Cute canonical boy ant.
My specialist ability is to conjure nen knuckle dusters to punch harder with enhancement inside a emission portal that teleports my fist to the enemy's face and transmutes my aura into giant spiky protusions that takes control of the target with manipulation
>>273426389>use clones with teleportation abilityGoreinu is a specialist.
>>273426634Cope. Viz translator said it was a mistake on stream.>So you're saying Pitou is neither a boy or a girl?>No... Pitou is a girl.
Dogman will kill nobunaga.
>>273426754dogman and knuckle will tagteam nobunaga to avenge squala (their nigga)
Specialist underestimaters have had their headcanons absolutely obliterated.
It's funny that specialists are now super powerful and yet we haven't met any who is an actual powerhouse besides chrollo who was always OP and kurapika who was one of the main characters so expected to be OP.Even the powerful nen users we have met are from other affinities.
>>273426881>you will never ever give pakunoda a pearl necklacewhat a shame she had to go
>>273427099antboy
>>273427120You lost
>>273427142is that my nigga gittarackur?
Only "specialists have 40% enhancement" fags are mad at the new chapter btw.
>>273427137Togashi himself agrees with me, antboy lover.
>>273427184>Togashi himself [Headcanon]I know
Desperately need to see 20 years old killua
>>273427179Specialists learn level 10 enhancement but they have 40% enhancement. Mastery and efficency are different things.
Will be canon
>>273427271did gon rip off kite's tail or something? or is that a different character?
>>273427280It's Noko with long hair
>>273427271Noko doesn't look like that
>>273427298since when did noko have freckles?
>>273426527Literally no one cares about muh canon
Stop posting sexual contents
post sex
>>273427319She also got freckles when her hair grew.
>>273427225Would be hot but shota killua is already delicious
How come nobody noticed Morena wasn't Morena? Did she have the scars in the same place already? Were she used so people pretended they were raping their own boss?
Balsamico Might
what are the implicit consequences of martial law being declared? will this stop chrollo in his tracks and subsequently, the rest of the spiders from roaming about? (save for franklin, hes still in his seat doing his best american impression of eating burgers)
>>273427280Kite will rip off tail to become more attractive to Gon and because Gon will say that the tail looks ugly and reminds of the terrible events with the chimera ants
Hope sale-sale death nen will rape Rihan
Gon will marry a girl that looks like his aunt .
>>273427467i honestly hope if we ever see kite again, he (she) will be about the same age as he (she) was before getting ganked by that faggot cat pitou. i suspect kite will be hot but i am biased since i like fair skinned girls with freckles
>>273427040Thats because there are rarely 1 in 10million geniuses that can learn nen so quickly. Your average normie specialist would still have to learn Nen at the same rate as a normal person only it would take them 6 times as long to learn it in all areas. Very few of them have teachers like Biscuit that can train them for 1 years worth in the period of less than a month.
>>273427444If it follows normal world martial law then the military and the prince in charge of the military don't have to ask permission to do certain things. Let's say before he needed the approval of a judge to enter a prince room to search for an assassin, now he might enter saying it is needed and anyone who doesn't comply will be shot and because it's MARTIAL LAW there is nothing you can but obey or be labeled a traitor and hunted down.
>>273427529>Very few of them have teachers like Biscuit that can train them for 1 years worth in the period of less than a month.That's also assuming they were genius to begin with since someone like Zushi wouldn't be able to learn it so quickly like gon and killua could.
>>273427529>Very few of them have teachers like Biscuit that can train them for 1 years worth in the period of less than a month.
>>273427507Gon will marry his boyfriend.
im just gonna fucking say it brosi wanna marry theta!
Togashi said he prepared 4 endings, one is a bad ending which he wanted to do, one is mixed and one is a good ending, the last one being the ending he told us.Anyone has any theories on how the bad ending that togashi wanted would have been?
>tricks his son into thinking he's a good father by actually being a good father si he will trust him and eventually return to the family Genius move desu
Specialists have to specialize in one ability to make it work, hence the term specialist. All other nen types can make more than one ability. That's why Morena said the weakness of specialists is not knowing what to make at first.>but KurapikaHe is conjurer which is why he can have multiple abilities. He used his one specialist ability on Emperor Time.>but PitouShe never made a specialist ability, her abilities are all manipulation and conjuration.
>>273427681Pakunoda had two specialist abilities, speedy.
>>273427700She only had one actually. Where are you getting two from?
>>273427709he probably got it from the manga
>>273427681Everything you said is headcanon, but it does make me realize something. Why are they even called specialists in the first place? Ironically, they can do everything, so shouldn't they actually be called generalists?
>>273427681Stealth Dolphin and Emperor Time are both specialist so your idea is wrong.
>>273427709Stop speedreading.
>>273427734Because they are SPECIAList
>>273427735Emperor Time allows Kurapika to use all affinities which would allow him to effectively use stolen abilities. Stealing abilities isn't specialisr exclusive as we see with Ikalgo
>>273427722Her specialist ability is to see the past memories of objects. What's the second one? And you better not be retarded and say that seeing a regular person's memories is specialist when it's manipulation, because that would make you look like a giant fucking moron.>>273427759The wiki isn't an official source, it's fan made.
>KurapikaGenderless>PitouNonbinary
>>273427335Togashi cares
>>273427808leftie pls go
>>273427593The question was why arn't there many specialists proficient in all areas. The fact that it takes a high level specialist to even unlock nen in others(or nen beast ritual) makes it a rarity in a rarity. If you have no method like Morena did to idenitify who is a specialist you would have to filter through thousands of trash normies. And you yourself would be no stronger. Morena seems like she is weak as shit cause of their ability.All the people you unlock with your ability have the potential to simply kill you.If you were a genius level specialist you'd be better off developing your own skills like Chrollo.
>>273427799Pathetic
>>273427793Ikalgo doesn't steal abilities. He manipulates a dead nen user into using their abilities. It's different.
>>273427808>Kurapika>Genderlessnot if i creampie that faggot enough until he loves me
>>273427808>(You)Faggot
>>273427823What is the second one? I would really like to know.
>>273427799Holy fuck, her two abilities are reading minds and shooting memories into people, you complete and utter moron. Just off yourself already.
>>273427271cute butt
>>273427853They are both manipulation of memories. Her ability is manipulation of memories
>>273427808no shit. ants have a qaudnary, four genders. you're either a worker, a soldier, a male, or a queen. pitou is a soldier ant.
>>273427846Read the fucking manga
>>273427875What is Kite, then?
>>273427872[CITATION NEEDED]
>>273427853The wiki isn't official. I don't care what category its moderators think hatsu fall under.
>>273427675>tricks his son into thinking he's a bad father by actually being a bad father so he will stop chasing him and let him live without responsibility
>>273427892besides hot?
>>273427875All ants are women except for the ones the queen chooses to make male to breed her
>>273427885I have, which is why I know she has one specialist ability.
>>273427895Your opinion isn't official either. I don't care what category you think her hatsu falls under.
>>273427851Gon is a jobber
Razor's nen beasts are emitted since he is an emitter.
>>273427931Proof?
Knuckle is not an enhancer? wtf
>>273427923My opinion is based on evidence collected from the official source, not from the wiki. That's why my opinion is correct and yours is wrong.
>>273427875Pitou is a girl
Gon manipulates his fist into punching harder
Why would Togashi make specialists nen gods? This is such bad writing.
All ants are male/female and have the potential to reproduce "normally" by mating with other species. Doing so births a queen, which uses phagogenesis to create a line genetic line.
Order stamp is one of my favorite abilities. I hope Chrollo uses it again. He should probably be using it more to find Hisoka
>she's still trying
>>273427950missed opportunity, kite doesnt even fly and bean isnt even a bean (frijole)
>>273427951Your opinion is based on nothing but your headcanon. At least the wiki cites its sources, all you do is scream "I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!" lmao. Retard.
>>273427967It genuinely is. Specialists are now the Uchihas of Hunter x Hunter.
>>273427995You cited the non-canon wiki, not me. My opinion is based on the manga. You should try reading it, it’s very good.
>>273427892no remarkable combatant skills, and doesn't have a huge gaster, so must be a worker ant
Komugi uses manipulation on her brain to be good at gungi
>>273427990Who's trying what?
>>273428028why didnt she just do that to her eyes so she wouldnt be a useless invalid?
>>273428028Komugi is a NIGGER
>>273428013Kurta is Uchiha. Specialists are Kekkai Genkai.
>>273427251What does that even mean in practical terms? They can learn high level abilities like healing a broken arm, but what does 40% efficiency mean? It heals slower? They need conditions to make it work? They require more aura than a natural Enhancer? Any of the above?
>>273428039Have a (You) so you won't have to samefag
>>273428021>still no evidenceYikes
>>273428057it means all their enhancement spells cost 40% more nen to cast
>>273428039There are some butthurt losers from the previous thread who couldn't come up with any way to justify Togashi making specialists nen gods so they pivoted to pretending anyone who points out Togashi's shit writing is gay or something. It's really desperate.
>narutardsYikes
>>273428072Why would I post any to a retard who genuinely believes the wiki is canon? I’m not a teacher, I have no obligation to educate the ignorant and waste my time collecting screenshots as evidence.
The pedo gay spammer is also the guy who shits on the threads with muh bad writing and Togashit btw>>273427122>>273427243
What would have happened if Morena had captured Otocin instead of Bork?
>>273428057>They can learn high level abilities like healing a broken arm, but what does 40% efficiency mean?Enhancer put 100 aura to heal 100 hp. Specialist put 100 aura to heal 40 hp.
>>273428175Otocin would have gotten gang banged by every single guy in the Heil-ly.
pitou is a girl because she's mad thick
>>273428145Why did he do it? Was it autism?
Fakerena is a boy because he is flat. But he is heterosexual.
>>273428175He would've joined on the condition that he get to ride Dogman's giant cock.
>>273428145I am not surprised in the least.
>specialists are op!the most powerful nen users in the series that could solo the most other nen users are: emitter, enhancer, enhancer
>>273427675>character named SILVA>2011 team made him blondwhat the fuck were they thinking
I'm tired of seeing otocin and wing memes
>>273428175He would've volunteered to be the group's onahole.
>>273428256Behold Extreme Specialist.
>>273428275Nanika is OP because of her nen quantity, not the type. Same thing as Meruem.
>>273428256Specialists can do everything enhancers and emitters can do, and more. They are the best category by far.
Why did Togashi ruin nen?
>>273427040They're not super powerful, they just ignore the pentagon. Their abilities still have the same powerlevel as everyone else.>>273428175He would've annoyed them until he asked Morena if she'd kiss him, then it'd be all over.
>>273428267Otocin poster is probably also the spamming faggot desu
>>273428275alluka can't normally do jack shit.>>273428297oh the best category huh? is that category too overpowered?looks look at the empirical evidence and see if that's the case:>meruem, gon, neterooof, guess the specialist category isn't remotely OP.
>>273428295If Meruem, Gon-san, and Netero have nen quantity of Pokkle, their nen abilities are quite useless. I don't think >>273428256 cared that when it was posted.
>>273428220fat butt
>>273428343correct i definitely don't care about that, and nen quantity probably is somewhat related to category to begin with.
This chapter was a treat for nen system enthusiasts
>>273428329>O genderfluid specialist genie, erase Meruem, Netero, and Gon-san from existence>Ai
>>273428369but they all seem angry about it
cammy is smart because she is cammy
>>273428383It's obviously one faggot desperately trying to push his "nen gods" thing
>>273428329Bad logic. Meruem, Netero, and Gon's strength didn't come from their category. It came from their talent and training. Their existence doesn't change the fact that specialization is clearly, objectively superior to all the other nen categories by a large margin.
>>273428383that's what they like, they make something out of nothing and start throwing shit at each other like the monkeys they are, one of them is a literal pedophile faggot so make of that what you want
Twink
*sigh*let's all admit that camilla is the best looking woman in hxh. and morena actually looks kinda mid from some angles.
>>273428407Specialists have no limitations. They literally are gods.
>>273428247Flat chest
>>273428418that's not bad logic. the point is that categories clearly don't mean much relative to talent and training. who cares if specialists *can* do *more* in general if the most talented kid in the world was born an enhancer who will just oneshot the specialist?
>>273428407>>273428429>R-Ruining nen isn't a big deal guys, c'mon!!lmao
Can the mods ban this faggot already? He's not even a good shitposter, just repeating himself like a broken record
>>273428145I'm a shotachad please don't lump us with that retard
>>273428352SEXO
>>273428464>categories don't mean much because of three outliersOnce again, bad logic. Not just anyone is a 1 in 10 trillion talent like Netero, Meruem, and Gon.
>>273428491I’m surprised he was a gay poster
>>273427910infertile females that lack sex organs are only female in the sense that they could have hatched as a queen but didn'tit's like calling a raft a canoe because you made both from the same kind of tree
>>273428491the mods share the same discord server as the faggot
Gon is not even that talented. Both Tserriednich and Ging are superior to him.
>>273428504it's good logic and good framing. it puts into perspective how meaningless it is to be part of a supposedly overpowered category. there's plenty of top tier nen users of different categories who would dab on most of the revealed specialists.
>>273428491>>273428520Can they ban you two instead for being homophobic losers?
>>273428543If I post Noko will you have another melty?
Zushi can destroy most of benjamin's soldiers
I don’t think the guy is a shit poster. I just think it’s natural backlash to what he perceives as a fanbase eating up anything an author does. Hunter is flawed and it’s worth having arguments around those flaws for the fanbase to not be a circlejerk or a shithole.
>>273428541>because categories don't matter to 0.0001% of nen users, therefore categories don't matter to anyoneThat's not good logic.
>>273428341So, if I understand accurately, Emperor Time Kurapika can use any ability he already knows at 100% efficiency, but he can't learn any abilities beyond a certain level?
Okay, now I had enough fun for trolling, I'll explain you guys strength and weakness of Specialist.Specialist can 'learn' whatever nen abilities from other categories. For example, they can use clone(conjuration), healing(enhancement), and teleportation(emission). But their 'efficiency' is still restricted as other nen categories. So their healing will heal only 40% of what enhancers can heal. Specialist are gods when it comes to making complex and powerful ability, but they are not efficient for raw, destructive power. That is enhancer's specialty. So it is true that specialists are better than most nen users who heavily rely on special power, especially conjurers and manipulators. But they cannot beat enhancers or other adjacent categories with sheer raw strength.Of course, raw strength is a shit in HxH unless you're 10 times stronger than your opponent...
chrollo cheated
>>273428566>because categories don't matter to most characters we're invested in (strong, capable, important characters), categories don't matter that muchthat's great logic actually.
>>273428565no he is literally a retarded faggot with no real life connections
>>273428565There's a difference between discussion and being a blatant, spamming shitposter
>>273428565that's not natural at all. the natural thing is to never interact with communities that you think are shit
>>273428582We don't know whether Kurapika can learn other categories as specialists. We don't even know Kurapika can be considered as normal Specialist. He isn't born with, he hasn't change into Specialist, it's just a momentary effect of scarlet eye. Also ET Kurapika can't train nen for months or he'll lose all his life.
Specialists are not OP. Emperor Time grants full proficiency in every category, that doesn't mean every Specialist has full proficiency in every category. The actual number Specialists have is likely around 80%, and it might even be different for every Specialist. Meleoron is obviously not some top tier fighter, if you really think he has 100% Enhancement proficiency then he should be stronger than he was.
>>273428598Your logic should prove that Meruem-tier enhancer can beat Meruem-tier specialist.
>>273428598No, that's dumb.
>>273428510I'm not
>>273428659>Emperor Time grants full proficiency in every category, that doesn't mean every Specialist has full proficiency in every category.Emperor Time grants full 'efficiency'. It's different from proficiency.>Meleoron is obviously not some top tier fighter, if you really think he has 100% Enhancement proficiency then he should be stronger than he was.We don't know Meleoron's nen category. Also having level 10 proficiency in enhancement doesn't make his aura stronger.
>>273428678that could happen.>>273428681the more i think about it the more right i am. what does it matter if a category is op relative to countless faceless characters? what's actually relevant to the story is how op they are compared to the characters we care about. killua and gon will just oneshot them some day, and everyone else seems to hold their own as well.
>>273428659I think it depends, like there are zero rules, some specialists may be a lot weaker than your common nen user while others may just have irregular high stats all over the places. It does make sense though that since specialist is not really a class, but rather just a way to classify everything that doesn't fit neatly on the other categories, that specialists may have to learn how to deal with several different categories to actually be good at their ability, Morena may end being an actual good fighter the Ryodan would have issues with.
>>273428678Except it doesn't, because specialization isactually enhancement + transmutation + emission + manipulation + conjuration. enhancement + transmutation + emission + manipulation + conjuration > enhancement
273428565>speaking about yourself in the third personCammy tier.
>>273428737I don't think it necessarily is all of them, but definitely a combo at least
>>273428726>Just ignore bad writing because who cares lmao
>>273428737omg meruem just whipped out a crazy book that can spawn nukes what's gonna happ- *gets one shot by an enhancer's ko punch*
Just a reminder that the Ryodan NEVER killed a single innocent person.
They will beat Morena by reminding her of her friends
>>273428726>that could happen.You need to prove it though. What's Enhancer's advantage against Specialist's complex hybrid ability in the world of HxH, where Strong Nen cannot resist opponent's ability?
>>273428796>blocks ko punch because specialists can be master enhancers
How are you gonna destroy humanity when you hired this retard?
>>273428796Sorry, Specialist Meruem read that future and evaded 10 seconds ago.
How do we even know anything Morena says is correct?
>>273428797
>>273428844just keep putting microplastics in the air and water and let the resulting infertility lead to extinction
>>273428858I agree. I still believe Nasubi did nothing wrong.
>>273428878He was a pedoposter
>>273428825haha:>>273428796btw your framing is bad and isn't relevant to any of my points. it doesn't matter what happens between an enhancer meruem and specialist meruem. what's actually relevant to the story is what happens between an enhancer adult gon and a specialist komugi.>>273428841>can bebut isn't always.
>>273428858Because the card game is a nen ability/condition of Contagion. She has to tell the truth or it doesn't work.
>>273428825>What's Enhancer's advantage against Specialist's complex hybrid ability in the world of HxH, where Strong Nen cannot resist opponent's ability?Which specialist ability is that though? Nanika? Though in this case there is also a gigantic amount of aura. Is there a single specialist in the series that couldn't be defeated with enough violence?
>>273428906>and a specialist komugi.whoops forgot she's an enhancer. enhancer adult gon and a specialist pakunoda*
>>273428906Merely having the option to master whatever they want makes them superior to all the rest.
>>273428906>what's actually relevant to the story is what happens between an enhancer adult gon and a specialist komugi.What's we actually have in this story is that Kurapika, Tserri, Chrollo, Morena, and even Borksen are all specialist.
>>273428878>Innocent mafia thug
>>273428951Not really? Nowhere it says they will be as good as an enhancer at enhacing, just that mastering it could help with their main ability, but again it's what Morena was warning about, if you master the wrong thing you lost a lot of time
>>273428951oh it does huh? damn that sounds very overpowered until gon's enhanced fist punches through pakunoda's skull. guess overpowered categories don't actually matter.>>273428959thanks for listing characters who are almost all going to die at the hands of non-specialists.
>>273428974He wasn't mafia, speedy. This was before Uvo went to raid the Nostrade family properties.
>>273428275Only works in conjunction with a calamity from the Dark Continent. Alluka alone would definitely be far less impressive.
What would Dogman smell Kurapika as?
>>273429012They have no limitations, speedy.
>>273428945>Is there a single specialist in the series that couldn't be defeated with enough violence?When we assume they have equal amount of training, talent, and aura, most specialists are superior. Neon, Chrollo, Kurapika, Tserridnich, they all have OP abilities. See Morena. She is looking for a Specialist user because it can overturn the balance of this ship.
>>273429019They killed him to find and kill mafia members, thus preventing lots of deaths and suffering. It was for the greater good.
>>273429053>When we assume they have equal amount of training, talent, and aurawhen we assume shit we should absolutely not assume
>>273429019Likely a mafioso anyway, no proof he isn't.
>>273429018You're stupid. We're talking about categories here, not characters.
>>273429084Nice headcanon.
>>273429053Anon, Chrollo is literally searching for a ability to murder Hisoka because he is unsure he can win again against a guy with the most basic ability ever made
>>273429091no i'm pretty sure i've been talking about more than categories so as to contextualize what OP categories or even OP abilities matter in the hxh verse. the answer is, not that much.
>>273429018Tserridnich saw that future and evaded. What now?
>>273429126a random non nen user snipes tserri in the head when he's not seeing into the future, which 99.9999% of the time he's not.
>>273429052This however implies there are other types of limitations
>>273429078Have you ever heard about 'Controlling for a variable'?
>>273429052I'll take Togashi's internal data about specialists over a biased character who's wanking her own category.Specialists are in a good position, but they are not ominpotent.
>>273429152No it doesn't.
>>273429153>>273429124
>>273429170Anon it's literally what Togashi is saying >>273429159
>>273429123And he can advance his ability to beat Hisoka. That's Chrollo's strength as a specialist. What can Hisoka do if Chrollo comes to him with evolved ability?
>>273429159>>273429178And who wrote what Morena said?
>>273429149Neon, which is another specialist, wrote future poem for him so he was ready for it.
>>273429176Have you ever heard about 'Controlling for a variable'?
>>273429210a random non nen user accidentally bumps into neon and she falls down the stairs and dies before she can write the poem
>>273429241the answer is yes and my post points out why this is an absolutely retarded point to make.
>>273429159>>273429178Learn what a retcon is, retards.
>>273429203A mangaka who regularly writes characters speculating things that are inaccurate or half true.
>>273429243What if she saw that from his bodyguard's poem and hid somewhere safe before that happen? Future sight is narratively broken and that's specialist's specialty.
>>273429288future sight is clearly not "broken" as evidenced by future sight users getting their shit rocked.
>>273429287This chapter was written before that chart even came out.
>>273429265Your post points out that you're afraid to compare two categories without tons of variables.
>>273429287Yes, Togashi wrote that. So fuck off. Your shit got retconned.
>>273429126Force him into zetsu and he's stuck in the future forever and can't act.
>>273429310...by another specialist.Also the reason Neon lost her ability is because she was careless.
>>273429318retard
>>273429360Have a nice day.
>>273429358>because she was careless.guess she's not so special.>...by another specialist.could have been by anyone including non nen users.
>>273429052Judging that Morena says that they can regret over training in certain categories, it would seem like they're still stuck with the percentage distribution, it's just that they can move it around for the sake of developing techniques. So they still are trading out having a 100% affinity in a category that gives additional skills beyond the developed technique, for the sake of not limiting themselves in what their techniques can do. Plus the general limitations of aura and memory.
>>273429390She can protect herself from Chrollo if she wrote poems for her bodyguards and father and realizes how dangerous Yorknew is. Her ability is OP, but she didn't use her ability to protect herself. What happens if Chimera ants had Neon's ability? They would learn that Netero will come with atomic bomb. This is a broken ability which is why Togashi took it from Chrollo.
>>273429446you keep bringing up hypotheticals where specialists can avoid being killed under ideal circumstances. but reality is messy. this is why categories don't actually matter that much and why adult gon would oneshot all the chimera ants.
Post enhancechads
>>273429430No, dumbass. She made it clear specialists don't have any proficiency limitations. She's talking about people regretting spending time and effort mastering a category that they didn't really like because somehow they didn't realize they were specialists and thought they were something else.
>>273429316>>273429320>the chapter came out before the chart>the chart was retconnedIncoherent retards
>>273429493>but reality is messySpecialist fortune teller saw that messy reality and evaded it.
>>273429548she didn't and that's why she died. it's also why tserri is going to die.
>>273429556>she didn'tShouldn't you say 'she can't'? Oh right, she absolutely can.
>>273429493You keep bringing up Adult Gon one-shotting blah blah blah whatever even though that has nothing to do with anything. Get this through your thick skull: specialization being the best category is not the same thing as claiming all specialists are stronger than every other nen user of every other category.
What's Milluki's condition for entering a specialist state?
>>273429580i can also devise hypotheticals where nen users of other categories can avoid death.>>273429591that was established many posts ago you illiterate retard. nobody is arguing that. the point is who gives a fuck if a category is better all else equal when all else ISN'T equal.
RYU. IS NOT. ENHANCEMENT.
>>273429526Either way, the end result is the same; your chart doesn't matter. What matters is what actually happens in the story. Retard.
>>273429614>that was established many posts ago you illiterate retard.Then stop making the same dumbass argument over and over again, you fucking moron.
>>273429642i'm going to keep making the same good argument that recontextualizes a retarded point that some retard keeps making.
>>273429012>>273429159oh that makes a lot of sense when you take Togashi's memo into consideration. Good job, anon.
>>273429614>i can also devise hypotheticals where nen users of other categories can avoid death.Nothing is better than future sight, or any bullshit abilities that can only be made by Specialists. That is why Tserridnich is specialist, and why Morena is looking for a specialist. They need to be specialist with bullshit ability to beat nen users who are more experienced them themselves.
>>273429609Reaching thirty years of age while remaining a virgin. He's well on his way.
>>273429658>EVERYONE IS AS STRONG AS ADULT GON!!!Wow, what a great argument.
>>273429617>e-either wayCope, you have no arguments you sad faggot
>>273429685>THIS CATEGORY THAT GETS BTFO'D BY USERS OF ALL OTHER CATEGORIES IS OPwow, what a great argument.>>273429677tserri is going to get bodied by a sniper rifle.
>>273429671>>273429687Why are you retards taking a random chart as gospel instead of paying attention to what's actually happening in the fucking manga?
>>273428797How about all those people Chrollo killed in the Heavens ArenaThe first thing he did in the fight was kill the judge
>>273429711The category is clearly OP. If you don't get that at this point, you're retarded.
i just got here what are these faggots arguing about
>>273429733stronger? yes.OP? not even close.
>>273429754Having no limitations is OP.
Togashi is not rugging the established Nen chart. Mastery is expressed in level, while Effectiveness is expressed in percentage. Mastery determines if you can wield a complicated ability, but Effectiveness determines how powerful that ability is. Complicated doesn't mean better. It simply means the ability is more specialised. Togashi has written poorly on this subject, and he seemed to have bounced between ideas on what each category could do; but Kurapika's training flashbacks very clearly indicated that Mastery and Effectiveness are correlated, but separate matters.So Specialists are still weak as shit, as they only have 40% effectiveness in Enhancement, despite being able to master its techniques. Enhancement abilities are mostly straightforward in the first place; Ko and Ken are basics that every Nen user seem to use. Morena merely chose the exact wording to convince Bork to develop a boutique Hatsu that she needs.
>>273429784yea no limitations is pretty overpower- *specialist gets shot in the head by some random sniper*
>>273429791ko and ken are not enhancement abilities. they are applications of the basic techniques.
>>273429796Doesn't change anything.
>>273429791>but Kurapika's training flashbacks very clearly indicated that Mastery and Effectiveness are correlated, but separate matters.A lot of people don't remember this shit because only one page mentioned it in this entire series, and even that wasn't a very good explanation. We still don't know what those levels mean exactly.
>>273429181Yes, but it's not his ability.
>>273429791Enhancement is not exactly doing ko and ken thou.An enhanced could enhance his physical body to punch better plus the ko and ken application.But he can also do other things like dogman enhancing his nose.You could theoretically be an enhancer with 0 physical enhancement or combat application.
>>273429816>ko and ken are not enhancement abilitiesWait you mean Big Bang Impact isn't an enhancement ability?
>>273429852machi says it was just a right punch with a little added nen
>>273429714Why are you coping and seething?
>>273429732I am not sure anyone really died though since there were clone shenanigans all around and not sure how innocent they are considering those fights are fucked a lot of times
Post niggas
>>273429791One thing about the "effectiveness" is that it could well be a poor translation. I know there is another translation of the page that says "force and accuracy" instead. It could be even messier than people think.
>>273429894>easy pea- *gets shot in the head*
>>273429816Are you the same faggot that anons shat on a few threads ago? Don't start it again, it's not the point.
>>273429816So Gon's Rock isn't an enhancement ability?
>>273429850As other anon said.see Knuckle for exampleHe is a conjurer and beat the crap out of Gon and completely outmached him in hand to hand combat.Gon enhancement + nen applications couldn't match Knuckle enhancement + nen applications even if Knlucke was a conjurer.In other words experience and levels are as important or more important than class (nen type)
>>273429930am i the same anon who btfo'd them and when they didn't have any arguments they resorted to brownoid-tier attacks? yeago back and read heavens arena and greed island before you start talking, please
>>273427179Chrollobros what's our cope for this?
>>273429907He ruined nen. Your cope doesn't change that.
>>273429834Biscuit had spoken of levels before. It's basically how difficult it is to learn/perfect a technique.
>>273429962yep the power system is ruined now that specialists like pakunoda exist. i hope our guys know how to fight off crazy powerful abilities like that.
>>273429958Chrollo focused on mastering conjuration instead of enhancement.
>>273429962>working this hard to try to stay mad
>>273429944it is. but gon's rock isn't just ko. it applies the aura manipulation of ko, but normal ko does not result in rock. rock is fundamentally hatsu
>>273429958Nothing we have to accept it... Hisoka was always superior
>>273429993>fight, fight, fight, fight, fightIs that all your tiny little shonentard brain can comprehend, retard?
We are coping, bruh
>>273429877He used black voice on some other people and deliberately dragged the fight towards the audience
>>273429958Togashi retconed it
We need more trans
>>273429958this is probably a nen-less arm wrestling contest, which in that case, i guess 7 makes sense? machi being ahead is a bit weird but the others make sense
>>273430005>but normal ko does not result in rockIt does if you're a strong enough enhancer. You seem to think there is a clear line between basic/advanced nen techniques and hatsu, but there isn't. It's possible for something to be considered both. Enhancers like Gon and Uvo can master Ko to the extent that it can be considered a hatsu.
>>273430032good point. i don't know how our guys are gonna outsmart these crazy strong specialis- *gets shot by a random sniper*
>>273430089hatsu is a basic nen technique where you apply your category into your nen. rock only exists because gon is using his enhancer nen. notice how nobody who uses ko, like bisky, suddenly has their fist glowing with massive power? they just moved all their aura into their fist or wherever else. it's gon's hatsu you retard. just because it's a simple punch with aura doesn't mean it's not hatsu
>>273429714Because these chapters were written back in 2018, while the memo is fairly recent, there is no good reason to assume a "retcon" straight away.I'm posting the full pic for anyone interested. Anon's argument is basically that specialists are peculiar, and they might need to train completely unrelated Nen categories, or their progress might stagnate.
Explanation for retards.>There are two problems faced when focusing on other types: The limit of advanced techniques that can be learned to begin with, and an energy efficiency penalty when using those techniques.>A lesser Emitter would never learn how to give his aura the properties of rubber and gum no matter how long he trained.>A sufficiently talented Emitter could theoretically learn Bungee Gum, but it would take him longer than Hisoka did, and actually using it at the same level as Hisoka would require twice as much aura and concentration.>A Specialist, on the other hand, would be able to learn Bungee Gum much faster as if he was a Transmuter. However, using it would still be subject to a similar energy efficiency penalty because a Specialist's aura is fundamentally not a Transmuter's aura.>Emperor Time overcomes this natural limitation.
>>273429958
Is it true that nen is real IRL?
>>273430112Your argument is akin to claiming Netero and Meruem were weak because they died. Just because it's possible for someone to die doesn't mean they aren't OP.
>>273430167wrong. specialists are the same, they'd struggle to learn it as well
Am I only one who think Gyro is inspired from central and south america
>>273428057>What does that even mean in practical terms?It means a Specialist speccing into Enhancement would be able to learn complicated techniques like accelerated growth, but they'd still struggle producing an unga bunga punch on the level of Uvo.
>>273430138manga > chart
>>273429850I agree, of course. Though it should be mentioned that Knuckle is twice the size of Gon, who is literally a kid, and has studied Nen for much longer.Enhancers are capable of enhancing every part of the body. Uvo spits with the force of a hunting rifle and bites like a river hippo. There are levels of mastery to Enhancement as well, but higher difficulty doesn't necessarily translates to more powerful. So back to the point, Specialists would be pitiful even if they master Enhancement techniques.
>>273429958Clownsisters what's our cope for this?
>>273430131How about you stop speedreading?
>>273430237it doesn't matter what you prioritize because there is no contradiction
>>273430138The chart is what we call semi-canon, because it's nothing but a vague plan in author's notebook which was never revealed in series. When the chart directly contradicts with manga, it means the chart is wrong.
>>273429791Efficiency is not efficacy.
>>273430276yea, he's saying they don't need fancy shit like chains with 5 abilities. they can just punch hard and move fast, amplifying themselves using their enhancer nen. tell me, do you understand what hatsu is? genuinely? or do you think it only means "making a wacky crazy ability"
>>273430334Learn English.
>>273430276> no special technique bro> don't create anything bro> just practice the basis broI prefer to trust Netero, Ging and Biscuit rather than Wing.Practicing the basis for the rest of your life is good advice.But it seems that you improve as a nen user when you invent something.Netero and Biscuit created flashy techniques.Ging basically travel all around the world and participated in projects like the creation of Greed Island, that helped him understand and learn about other nen types.Wing was just telling Gon that he was too green and he needed to learn the basics first.
>>273430297>when the chart directly contradicts with mangaNo it doesn't. You don't understand the argument.
>>273430359wow, another brownoid writing unfunny garbage cuz he got btfo'd in an argument! i sure didn't see this coming
>>273430276In addition to this, basic things like shaping nen fall under transmutation because they train it, and Uvo is clear that imbuing items with aura is much more efficient with manipulation or conjuration (assuming the object has been conjured). The nen types have their own basic benefits that aren't specific to a full hatsu, and specialists can't take advantage of any of them in full.
>>273430206That's what we thought, and what logically follows, but apparently Morena said the opposite. Of course, Morena has a power to develop Nen in her followers, so she might be lying to Bork to get her to learn a boutique Hatsu that she needs.
>>273430138once again, i ask why he isn't ultimate specialist
>>273430206Read chapter 408 if you haven't read it yet.
>>273430416Well for starters Meleoron wasn't included on the chart to begin with. It's a select list of characters given as examples, not a comprehensive list.
>>273430386>specialists can't take advantage of any of them in fullNice headcanon.
>>273430416He died while invisible and postmortem nen made everybody forget his existence including the author.
>>273430405i've been meaning to ask, were the scans posted here official translations? it seems like people are getting really stuck up on the wording
>>273430382It's not a joke. I'm serious. It's impossible to discuss anything with you when you can't understand a goddamn thing, ESL-kun.
>>273430433i know, but i feel like it'd be a better example than alluka, since alluka is a freak of nature outlier from the dark continent
Is HxH the only shonen where explosions are actually dangerous to most characters?
>>273430436Specialists can learn all abilities but it doesn't mean they can use it at full efficiency. Of course low efficiency can be overcome by having more aura or adding more restrictions. So unlike other categories, specialists have chance to create very complex hybrid ability, even if it is inefficient and require nasty restrictions to function. That is probably what Morena wants for Borksen.
>>273430463considering you have yet to answer and prove you actually understand what hatsu is, instead resorting to your pajeet-tier attacks, i'm gonna go ahead and just call it here. you tried, at least
>>273430499I accept your concession.
i'm going to miss MARTIAL LAW posting when this arc is over.
>>273430537>when this arc is over.Never happen.
>1000 posts later>the same onepiece faggots are still arguing about specialistsi just want to discuss the implications of martial law
>>273430446They aren't the official translations, but also the official translations aren't consistently better.
>>273430589nobody gives a fuck about martial lawgarbage forced meme
>>273430370Gon, as an enhancer, beat the shit out of a royal guard who was a specialist.
>>273430600The official translations are made by the same person who's been doing it for the past 20+ years. They are vastly better.
>>273430633Say that to officer Kakin.
>>273430370uvogin could probably kill anybody not named kurapika or the top 3 nen users, and all he did was use enhancement nen to be strong
>>273430624That's what we call main character privilege.
>>273430651qrd
>>273430624Alluka, as a specialist, healed Gon back to normal after he costed everything to beat 1 years old specialist.
>>273430683
>>273430663Will you ever stop speedreading?
>>273430730...? there's no way this retard just posted a page completely agreeing with me, right
beyond is manipulator or specialistging is a emiter or conjurerparison is a transmuter.
Morena is right, and this thread proves it
>>273430717>oh no, they wrote like instead of from, terrible translator!!meanwhile half of the chapter is wrong with a fan translation. i can't even blame the translator , they don't have stuff proofread anymore
>>273430759The page says Uvo jobs to conjurers and manipulators, you illiterate moron.
How far can you control a conjured/emited nen beast?Or a person you are manipulating?In miles/kilometers
>>273430778No, they're all specialists. All major characters are specialists. All the other fodder categories are for minor characters like Jobunaga.
>character is literally named Sir Isaac>is Isaac Netero’s grandsonBravo Togashi
>>273430934>character is literally named Sir IsaacSince when?
But honestly though, I can't believe Togashi ruined nen. Why did he have to make specialists so OP?
>>273430987Shouldn't you go back?
>>273430993
>>273431009Damn my fault nigga
Wish an enhancer would blow my head off with a nen punch
>>273430896the only reason a conjurer (kurapika) is able to beat him is because he created an ability that he can only use on the troupe. he will fucking die if he violates this restriction. that is literally the only reason it's strong enough to contain uvogin. there is absolutely 0 chance for a regular conjurer or manipulator to be able to actually keep up with him and beat him (i.e., the shadow beasts). sorry, faggot, try again
Would you guys like to see Hisoka rape kuroroll
>>273431048The girl that could manipulate people through a kiss.Assuming that Uvogin is not an homosexual it would be easy for her to get a kiss and order him to kill himself.
>>273431072ohhh shit u right. i'd do that for a kiss as well
>>273426673The panel you posted literally says teleportation is a characteristic of Emission
>>273431072Baize is so overpowered. She’s hot as fuck. Unless most nen users are gay asexuals, they will fuck her if she comes onto them (assuming in natural, unquestionable ways that make them go “why is this whore after Me”).I had to assume that her power was stronger if the kiss was unconsensual.
>>273431048The manga literally says you're wrong, dumbass. >>273430730Stop arguing against canon. Uvo isn't as strong as you think he is.
Uvo was GENIUS level and would beat hisoka btw.
>>273431106we also saw the canon of him beating the shadow beasts, so lol
>>273430589A reminder martial law has been set up to backfire on Benjamin.
>>273430276This is absolutely hilarious with guys like Netero running around.
>>273429791I'm quite skeptical of this theory that specialists can reach any mastery level in any Nen category while their efficiency in each category stays as per usual. From the way it was phrased in the manga, it seems like they have no limits whatsoever.>>273430138If we take another look at the chart, Togashi's argument is that specialists are very peculiar and have "complications that cannot be decided with a catch-all rule". The key for specialists to become stronger seems to be training in a very unorthodox way, which is not covered by standard Nen theory. The chart seems to neatly complement what Morena was explaining about "wasting time." If we look at the story, specialists are the ones most likely to learn Nen abilities subconsciously (Alluka, Neon, etc.). Heck, Alluka seems to have been an ultimate level specialist from the day she was born. So yeah, specialists are very peculiar.
>>273431115Besides the fact that the Shadow Beasts don't represent all nen users in the world, Uvo almost died fighting them.
Most specialists are literally hax glass cannons. PITOU is the exception. Chrollo would’ve got killed by Hisoka with 2 -3 hard punches.
Can we stop pretending that the shadow beasts aren't jobbers who are representative of anything? Even Chrollo admitted a good manipulator/conjurer would take Uvo out.
If Specialists can use all other Nen affinities at 100% efficiency, why doesn’t Chrollo just make his own Hatsus instead of having to steal them? Like, if Chrollo can’t use Shalnark’s Black Voice anymore, can’t he just make his own Black Voice?
>>273431115>Uvo beat up some fodder, therefore no one can beat him!What?
>>273431182A person's nen abilities depend on their nature. Chrollo is a thief. He does not make anything, he steals.
>>273431185the shadow beasts are very clearly not fodder if they're used to protect the entirety of the underground black market
Chrollo is a cheater
>>273431182this sort of explain how hard is to make a hatsu, more so multiple ones that Chrollo prefers to steal themalso hatsus come from your "personality" ie your "SOVL"You can' just invent whateverThat's why copying other people hatsus is a bad idea
can't wait for the official translation to come out so you faggots crying about specialists can just shut up already
>>273431214NTA, but Yorknew mafia/10 dons are fodder, especially now that we see other mafia groups.
>>273431214No bud, they're pretty clearly fodder. Let's not kid ourselves here.
>>273431243i honestly disagree. i think someone like worm or dog still clear the majority of heil-ly that we've seen. we haven't really seen much of the others. hinrigh is strong but he's also a lieutenant so it's not like he's just some average guy either
>>273431235And if the official translation affirms specialists being nen gods, are you going to keep making excuses for Togashit?
>>273431243The shadow beasts would literally rape everyone on the other mafia except hnrigh and Kenn I, who are probably equal to an individual shadow beats member overall.
>>273431115You mean the same fight where Uvogin almost died?
>>273431253>anybody who's not troupe, hisoka, or main 4 are fodderkastro alone clears 75% of the troupe by the way
>>273431274>>273431279You can just immediately compare how the troupe acts with the yorknew mafia vs the new mafia. If they were actually shitters, then we'd see another massacre.
>>273431302They don’t need another massacre because they aren’t fighting the other mafia my friend. The shadow beats targeted the troupe. The two current mafia want balance not a fight. They literally state they would get raped ; hnrigh himself says that. Are we reading the same manga?
>>273431299Kortopi would one-shot Kastro.
>>273431281>almost diedyea he was really on the brink of dying lmao. they almost got him for sure
>>273431302RetconNow nen users are more common and organizations like the mafia use tons of them
>>273431134With each new batch of chapters, Togashi attempts to filter out filthy pisstards and succeeds every time
>>273431342Don't see how its much of a retcon considering nen is established in universe to be a secret. We really have no clue about how common it is with these organisations.
>>273431339Yes they did, speedy.
>>273426659based midwit IQ specialist
>>273431342we don't know how many nen users are in cha-r and xiyu
>>273426754Nobunigga will be gon's next nen teacher and demand a duel with Kurapika after the meet in the new continent
>>273431339He literally would've died if Shalnark hadn't told him how to deal with the leeches.
>>273431430>zushi (estudiante de wing)who can beat him?
>>273431459and chrollo would've died without shalnark's ability. your point?
>>273428057>>273430221yeah basically, you'd need 2.5X more nen output assuming you create the Uvo gorilla strike to match 100% of Uvo's punch
>>273431476Uvo was almost killed by a bunch of jobbers. Uvo is a joke.
>>273428491Leave Killian alone he ain't a fag
>>273431498as is chrollo, by your logic
>>273430276>>273430370Wing was kinda holding Gon back though, if he actually taught Gon and Kill at their speed they would be a lot better prepared and powerful. Ten and Ren (fundamentals) didn't really cut it by the end of Heaven's Arena
>>273430490Morena probably wants borksen to shoulder all the risk on the whole "sink the boat with no survivors minus me" plan
>>273431532I accept your concession.
>>273431459This is dumbYou can use nen to avoid being shot or stabbed by a knife.You are telling me that you can't use kou or ken to avoid leeches from eating your dick?
>>273431562i accepted yours a long while ago, quite frankly
Is this true?
>>273431134The official translation isn't even out yet, but it seems like if what Morena said is true, then it partially contradicts the Attribute Circles notes. The only point of convergence is the idea that Specialists can and should train outside of their type (which Biscuit has cleanly stated to be the best way to train in the first place). The panel in picrel is very explicit in what it means, and the whole spiel about "training in the type of Nen that Specialists are supposed to have a hard time with in terms of the hexagonal chart" implies one has to train in the RIGHT, seemingly incompatible type of Nen to grow in proficiency, not ANYTHING GOES type of Nen as implied by Morena. This is very important if Nen learners are interested in getting the most efficient training possible.Of course, Morena might be painting a picture to get Bork to develop the exact ability that she needs. If Morena had said: "Hey, I need this complex hybrid ability out of you, but it may seem completely useless for your end uses, and may not be the right practice for Specialist Nen learners, and it will be extra difficult and take up most of your memory space", it wouldn't fly so well.
>The other categories give basic benefits in addition to being directed toward hatsu abilities, and whichever category they have will give those benefits at 100%>Specialization gives no basic benefits, but lets a Specialist go off the rails with their hatsu, which they're more dependent on because it's their only 100% category without an ability like Emperor Time explicitly fucking with things on a meta level.This is not hard
>>273431577The leeches attack from inside your body, dummy. No, you can't defend against that with Ten, which only covers the outer surface of your body.
>>273431626what is this major headcanon
>>273431626>basic benefitsThat a specialist can acquire by training in that category.
>>273431577>>273431634they're obviously nen leeches, unless Uvogin can shroud his bladder in nen he'd bleed out from his average sized asian wang
i wanna have sex with ApplePitou
>>273431644Pretty sure everything he said was basically fully canonKurapika basically explained as much in York New, regarding efficiency
>>273431634> only surfaceShoko points are inside the bodyYou literally concentrate aura in a part of the body, not above the skin or anything like that
>>273431693considering shalnark knew what they were and how exactly they work they're definitely just regular leeches and leech manipulates them inside his body
>>273431621>>273431620it kind of makes sense because there's no specialist-unique nen training that we've seen, but it's probably still difficult more difficult for them to train compared to if it were the specialist's native category
>>273430370Bisky/Uvo are the perfect examples that you don't need a fancy hatsu to be strong or combat capable and Bisky isn't even an enhancer.Again nen gets added to the physical attack force (if any). It's the reason why some nen users can stop bullets more easily than other or why Uvo could punch worm so hard even underground.There is a reason why Zoldyck train the physical abilities of their sons too.>>273431626Nah, from what I understand specialists have no level cap and no handicap for the other categories i.e.they can become proficient in all aspects of nen.(See Kurapika explanation and Bisky training Kill and Gon for more evidence)They still need to lvl up each category individually which requires time and is a major investment.
>>273431697>other categories give basic benefitslike? literally what basic benefits?
>>273431685not really... like a specialist can't shoot as many powerful nen bullets as an emitterA specialist could make a weird hatsu that shoots nen bullets that turn things they hit into sand because thats emission + conjuration. An emitter couldnt do that well since they'd have trouble learning the conjuration part of the hatsu
>>273431711could have been somewhat nen enhanced like Gido's tops
>>273431703The leeches kill you by overloading your urinary tract, retard. How does enhancing anything inside your body prevent that from happening?
>>273431746yea, maybe. i guess we can't know for sure
If the shadow beast jumped kurapika he would lose btw
>>273431736>Bisky is buff homonculoid of a woman>her fancy hatsu is basically increased resting efficiency though we haven't seen all of her abilities>Uvo's non-fancy hatsu is a straight rightI guess that's true but they were fighting against people of much lower level than them, Gon and Killua were punching up for the most part (especially Gon)
I wanna draw Bork any requests?
>>273431644Reread what Uvo said during his fight with Kurapika about figuring out what nen category Kurapika must belong to, as well as what constituted training each nen category by Biscuit, and the actual canon definition of a specialist. Until then, seethe more.
>6 months with Frauding and the boys barely know the basics>6 months with Godsunavi and Kurapika is a full-fledged nen master who’s created multiple hatsus, can use all the advanced techniques, and has an encyclopedic knowledge of nenWhy is Wing such a bad teacher?
>>273431792Bork getting molest by Morena
if shaping aura is transmutation, why is pip play useless? you would think getting good at it would very effectively increase your skill in transmutation
>>273431763I do agree you can't really aura buff your insides though>>273431775Pre-ship Pika yeah but I think current Pika clears. They were kind of slightly above average jobbers though, I think the haiku guy could have taken them
>>273431792Bork molesting go back girl.
>>273431793ok done>headcanon
>>273431737Like literally what the categories doYou think a specialist could use big bang impact as well as Uvo? Morena was talking about "struggling to learn" abilities, she didn't imply specialists were as efficient at using them as users in their own category >>273431798Kurapikas a psycho restriction abusing cheater...
>>273431798>all you need is fundamentalsversus>damn kid, that's unrealistic but let's try to make a hatsuBasically catering to the needs of their students. Two of those months was no training also
>>273431803It's like doing basic training when you could be doing advanced training. Also the pips are very simple shape changes, less advanced than the first level transmutation training.
>>273431825>Kurapikas a psycho restriction abusing cheater...Restrictions only boost power. They don't make it any easier to create an ability. They also don't allow you to learn advanced techniques or acquire knowledge.
>>273431792Bork eating a delicious Ice cream sandwich
>>273431839Stop coping, Zushi. Your sensei sucks.
>>273431851Pika demanded his guy teach him to make a hatsu
>>273426389did togashi say he's emitter?
>>273431825? that's not a basic benefit, then. that's literally just hatsu. every single category, including specialists, are "benefitted" from this. you think an enhancer could use kurapika's chains nearly as effectively? that's what you're saying
>>273431871And? How does that make Wing any less worthless as a teacher?
What’s izunavis nen type?
>>273431875Goreinu's ability revolves around teleportation so he's probably an emitter.
>>273431737Manipulators are capable of putting more aura behind objects. Conjurer's are capable of putting more aura than normal into the objects that they conjure (this one is presumed, the only one not stated outright). Enhancers actually do get basic bonuses to reinforcement. Transmutation governs shape formation behind aura, which is the major reason bungee gum is as outrageous as it is. Emission gives longevity when aura is separated from the user. Even without hatsu, these factors are still in play. Specialization isn't getting any of these at 100%, and presumably still can't have all of them at 80%. They're still subject to the overall capacity limitations, they can just redistribute their chart for the sake of justifying an ability. This is why Emperor Time exists in the first place.
>>273431899Specialist. It's the only category that matters. Everything else is fodder.
>>273431847the pips aren't simple shape changes. ging does some crazy shit with his aura, and they all act like it's the most impressive thing they've seen. so it's clearly very difficult and requires a lot of control
What revived the hype?
>>273431904>categories are able to use their hatsu to 100% effectivenessyea... you're right... i guess specialists can't use hatsu.....
>>273431736Other anons pointed out that Uvo would've died twice in his fight against the shadow beasts. For Bisky, it actually makes sense when you consider her ability is useful for a hunt.
>>273431870>>273431894I'm not coping or defending Wing, he definitely stalled Gon and Killua with his teaching, but Kurapika rushed his teaching to the highest level. Gon and Killua probably had the talent to do that also though I don't think Gon could come up with a hatsu before Bitsy anyway
>>273431942Togashi ruined nen.
>>273431883It's not just hatsu, it dictates how well they use nen in general even outside of their hatsu and specialists don't get any of them at 100%
>>273431918The change in shapes isn't that advanced though. They remain simple shapes no more complex than numbers. Also what they are considering impressive is the number of things he is doing at the same time. That doesn't mean it requires advanced techniques, it means it's a lot of things to do simultaneously.
>>273431621oh that's a very subtle nuance
>>273431775Machi will kill the Jobber Beasts
>>273432060Is this moviebefore/after greed island?
>>2734320605-0
>>273429816Are you a Wanpisser by any chance?
>>273431974no it doesn't.>Manipulators are capable of putting more aura behind objectsthis is because they're literally manipulating the object, so all of their aura is put into it>Conjurer's are capable of putting more aura than normal into the objects that they conjuresame principle. the object is made from their nen, all of their nen is poured into it. it's not simple shu>Enhancers actually do get basic bonuses to reinforcement.yes, enhancement nen makes them stronger. that's hatsu>Transmutation governs shape formation behind aura, which is the major reason bungee gum is as outrageous as it is.i'm not sure what you're saying with this. transmuters can shape aura better? i.e., transmuting their aura? which is hatsu?>Emission gives longevity when aura is separated from the user.hatsunone of the other categories can "mimic" this stuff at 100% effectiveness. it's not a basic benefit, it's literally just the hatsu of their category. i get what you're saying ("well, what can specialization do special then!"). they aren't limited by narrow definitions of the category. that's the "basic benefit." this isn't like it's some compensation for specialists or something. that's just how the category works
>>273431798Godsunavi Chads I kneel
>>273432085are you a speedreader by any chance?
>>273432060And when does this movie take place during timeline?
>>273431963In Uvo's case the Shadow Beasts tried to out compete an enhacer with sub-par hatsu on CQC.Only worm survived the encounter because his hatsu made him stronger when underground.
>>273431918legitimately the most impressive nen feat in the entire series
>>273432099>No answerok, definitely a Wanpisser. That explains it
>>273432122You Gingtards will eat up anything this retarded hobo does.
>>273432123>i'm just gonna ignore the canon explicitly laid out during greed island because i have no argumentno problem, dude. you really have no presence when you argue like an indian
>>273428247...chuu...
>>273431980It's basically what Zeno did though? He only change his aura into dragon shape
>>273432144he gives it the "properties" of a dragon. good luck figuring out what that means
>>273432139Alright, I'll bite. Post the canon then pisstard
>>273432144>making some tiny aura balls is the same as creating a giant fucking dragon No.
>>273432156He makes his aura look like a dragon. This isn't difficult.
>>273432144It doesn't mean that what he does is advanced transmutation. We know that shape shifting aura is the first level of transmutation training, so it isn't complicated. Zeno may or may not also be doing other things, but it's still the fact that his dragons are far more complex shapes. It is likely that he is also changing the property of his aura to make it solid.
>>273432052It's not very subtle, imo. Most people here wouldn't be as outraged at this new "revelation" if Specialist powers are said to be tacky and abstruse to train and develop. Morena basically said Specialists can learn and master any Nen type without issue and mix and match them as desired. Which to me sounds like a terrible asspull in a supposedly balanced power system.
>>273432163make sure not to speedread through it
>>273432179bruh, all transmutation abilities make aura tangible anon
>>273432173and how exactly is that at all more useful than just blasting regular aura? if all it is is a dragon shape, why bother using transmutation (which he's only 60% effective in)? obviously it has more properties, dumb fuck
>>273432209I'm not sure electricity is truly "tangible".
>>273432231People who got struck by lighting disagree. It is tangible the same way fire and air are tangible
>>273432247So is aura alone by that, people can sense and feel aura or be harmed by it, even unawakened to nen. That doesn't make it solid, nor is electricity solid.
>>273432271>So is aura alone by thatNo, enhancement don't make your aura become tangible. Emission and transmutation do
>>273432222>why bother using transmutationBecause shape transformation is easy, simple and the shape itself was desirable. It's not like the manga says the dragon is a transmutation technique. It's an inference from the fact that the manga states shape transformation is transmutation.
>>273432199god, bisky is so cute
>>273432295Zushi using Ren gave rise to something Killua could sense. Wing using Ren made both Gon and Killua sense what he was doing. Aura can be sensed alone without technique applied to it. Besides I said solid before, you changed it to tangible, as where transmutation can make electricity, which is not solid.
>>273432222It looks cool.
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>>273432222the transmutation is to increase the effectiveness of the aura>dragon aura hits harder than human auraThe actual attack emission is 100% though. He's just using the transmutation to boost his emission, he's not attacking with transmutation itself like Killua and Hisoka do, though whether Hisoka uses emission to throw bungie gum and remote contract it is a different discussion
>>273432296nta, manga doesn't state that btw
>>273426634I was him for Halloween :3 scarwyy
>>273431900his gorillas are teleportation?
>>273432089Illumi doesn't manipulate needles. He manipulates people through needles, and yet his needles can overcome a person's reinforcement through sheer aura far easier because he's a manipulator. Hisoka is able to maintain several tendrils of aura and operate them independently over decent ranges (as long as they are still connected to his aura and not detached) not because he has activated bungee gum, but because his transmutation is that high. A conjured object's ability doesn't have to have anything to do with its physical properties for a conjured to make it reinforced more than they can reinforce themselves. A character doesn't need a hatsu that involves changing the shape of their aura in order for them to use shape changes to improve their transmutation. The point is that these categories aren't just explicit hatsu, but they are skills and a specialist isn't going to match those skills (presuming their overall talent is tied) in a direct confrontation without winning solely through their hatsu. You can consider it like stats; even a manipulator or conjurer is going to have the means to win against an otherwise equal specialist through sheer aura combat, and the specialist MUST make the difference up directly with their ability or otherwise outperform in skill. It doesn't mean much if it's Chrollo against someone far beneath him, but when it's between two people evenly matched there is a clear benefit to belonging to another category
>>273432378Not in the most direct terms but it does.
>>273432375>dragon aura hits harder than human aurakek. not really insulting you or anything but this justification just sounds so retardedly funny
>>273431792I can't believe she looks like that and her name is Bork
>>273432199Not the other retard who fed you, but please stop. You've been shitting up a few threads now on this topic. Ko, Ken and Shu are basic applications of aura, but they are explicitly Enhancement techniques, and Enhancers are better at them. That's the end of it.Can people stop feeding the ESL retard? There's nothing to be gained. This is not worth discussing.
From Best to Worst:1. Specialization2. Conjuration3. Manipulation4. Emission5. Enhancement6. Transmutation
>>273432384The white gorilla can swap places with him, the black one can swap places with another person.
>>273432381kys faggot ur gross
>>273432403What about Ryu?
>>273432392I know it is kinda retarded, it's probably some rule of cool shit. All the emitters seem to shape their aura into something before they emit it (ball, fist, dragon, ball) so it's probably like a type of condition to launch the ability, basically>make it harder to do by forcing yourself to give it a cool shape>now it's strong(er) nenThe endpoint is the same though, they're not attacking with the transmutation they're just priming their emission attack with transmutation, like how Kurapika needs to conjure his chains before he's allowed to use healing chain or other stuff
>>273432410but are they conjured or what?
>>273432407I think manipulation and emission are the worst. Transmutation is a dice roll between>have autism (hisokek)>traumatic childhood torture (killua)>be a semi-useless support (Biscuit)Given that most transmuters are going to be the third one there's not much winning
>>273430088It's not. Shizuku used nen to arm wrestle Gon, nobunaga did too
>>273432486Emission lets you teleport, manipulation lets you control people. That's way more useful than transmutation's slippery aura.
>>273432386>Illumi doesn't manipulate needles. He manipulates people through needles, and yet his needles can overcome a person's reinforcement through sheer aura far easier because he's a manipulator.this is getting out of scope. you know where you get the "manipulators can put more aura into an object" from? uvogin, who was talking about kurapika's chains (pic related), because he assumed kurapika was possibly manipulating the chains. anything else is headcanon>Hisoka is able to maintain several tendrils of aura and operate them independently over decent ranges (as long as they are still connected to his aura and not detached) not because he has activated bungee gum, but because his transmutation is that high.i still don't know what you mean by this. he's able to control his bungee gum because he's a transmuter and he created the ability. how is this a "basic benefit." it's literally his own ability that he trained up>A conjured object's ability doesn't have to have anything to do with its physical properties for a conjured to make it reinforced more than they can reinforce themselves.again, conjuring an item with an ability is hatsu. it's an expression of conjuration>The point is that these categories aren't just explicit hatsu, but they are skills and a specialist isn't going to match those skills (presuming their overall talent is tied) in a direct confrontation without winning solely through their hatsu.no, it is explicit hatsu. i really don't get why you think a transmuter being able to effectively transmute their aura or a conjurer being able to conjure a powerful object is a "basic benefit" that specialists are disadvantaged for lacking. i already told you, that's just hatsu. and the potential of a specialist's hatsu is being able to have an ability that does not have to be narrowly defined
>>273432463>All the emitters seem to shape their aura into something before they emit itTell that to Knov and Terebellum
>>273432403nope, they are not enhancement techniques. the reason this is enhancement training is because training aura in general (quality, quantity, power, whatever) is good enough for enhancers, because the majority of them use advanced aura techniques combined with enhancer nen for fighting and rely on essentially raw aura, instead of coming up with a crazy ability. you still have yet to argue with this, by the way. don't think i don't remember your garbage from the other threads
>>273430688Pitou was like 40 days old
>>273432494yea but we don't know if they used nen here. it's a "strength" ranking after all. imo that implies raw strength. otherwise nobunaga should be much higher
>PT leader getting disrespected right in front of his whole group
>>273431775Yeah no shit
>>273432605Nah every time we saw the troupe arm wrestle it was with nen, you have no basis. Nobunaga just sucks
>>273432457Not explicitly implied in the manga, but I'd speculate that due to its nature, Ryu correlates with one's mastery of Transmutation.
>>273432694I don't think the faggot you replied to agree with you though
>>273426527>m-muh fujos!
>>273432694That is so retarded it borders on bait.
>>273427507He already had a chance to marry an ant, and he killed it.
>>273432562Old enough.
>>273428145
>>273432741When I speculate, I will say that I speculate. You're free to disregard it, but the ability to shape aura has consistently been attributed to Transmutation, so I'd say it's a good basis.
>>273432817It's not shape of aura. It's aura output. You aren't transmuting anything. Otherwise Manipulators would just be the worst Ren users and would probably be the weakest Nen users by far.
>>273432689Pretty sure Jobunaga is just physically weak, that's all. He's a swordsman, not really an unga bunga fighter.
>>273432381Should have gone as Milluki instead
>>273432848We were talking about Ryu, not Ren. Ryu redistributes aura in real-time. The total output is the same as when you do Ken.Ten, Ren and Zetsu seems to be technique agnostic, though some people are better at Zetsu than others.
ia he happy now that martial law has been declared?
>>273433032Ryu is changing output while in a state of Ken. it's basically deactivating Ken in some parts of your body to further output where you want it. You aren't shaping your aura at all. Also, you just admitted it's not transmutation. If Ryu is just Gyo + Ken (Ten + Ren), how can it use transmutation? It's all category agnostic.
>>273427251Specialists can have any percent efficiency for enhancement.
>>273431133Netero is the best example of following that advice, though. The dude spent ages in the wild just punching and praying. His solid fundamentals came first, which is what Wing was preaching.
>>273432360Outstanding…
>>273433089Anon, I've explained quite clearly why I think one advanced technique is better served by a Nen type than others. You cannot convince me En is not improved if used by an Emitter, whose entire niche is the separation of Nen from their body.There are many ways one can mental gymnastics it, hence I emphasised it's a personal speculation. Ryu directly translates to "Flow", which evokes an act of shaping/forming. Its description does not involve "turning off" and "turning on" aura. One can interpret "redistribution" as they will.Advanced techniques are derived from Ten, Ren and Zetsu, during which the Nen types will have come into effect. Gyo, for example, is not "just Ren focused on a body part", the act of "focusing" itself is already an expression of your Nen.
>>273433570Ren does not separate your aura from your body. You quite clearly know nothing about Nen if this is how you view things. Sorry but there's just no point in arguing with you when you get things so fundamentally incorrect.
>>273433570anon, gyo is just ren focused on one part of the body lol. it's increasing aura output on that particular body part rather than your whole aura. cmon man.
>>273428028That would be enhancement.
>>273433570so THIS is the calibre of retard arguing with me about what is and isn't an enhancement technique? no wonder winning the argument was the easiest thing in the world. my god man you need to stop injecting headcanon into everything, it clouds your reality
>>273432817Ryu is enhancement, not transmutation, dumbass.
>>273433708how can ten and ren be enhancement? go ahead and explain this one
>>273433337No, Wing literally said enhancers shouldn’t create “special abilities”. Netero shat all over that idea.
>>273433729ten is transmutation because you're giving shape to your aura. ren is emission because you're making it output further away from your body. combined, this means it's enhancement because it ENHANCES your fighting prowess. duhhh.
>>273433729Ryu is a variant of Ken. Ken is using aura to ENHANCE your defence.
>>273433775what do you think ken is btw
>>273430206Nah he's right.
>>273431620Yes.
>>273431918Any transmuter can do much, much more than that.
