thats not jjk

>>273455845
JJK has shitposting. What about this?

Bump

>>273455814
I never understood how the whole "carried by Ufotable" rhetoric was supposed to be a slight to demon slayer. People still tuned in for the manga afterwards

Frieren.

>>273456423
And then they discovered that the manga is actually really good even without all the fancy animation and CGI

>>273455814
>Good character design
>Good adaption
>Good production value
>Good soundtrack
>All above proven objectively truth by popularity and revenue

>POPULAR THING LE BADDDDDDDD AIIIIIIIIE
kys

>>273456467
Nope, if the source material was good, then it wouldn't take this series 3 years for the first volume to finally surpass 300k, exactly when the anime started. JJK didn't, the third volume was already breaking into 100k and even Toriko didn't take this long.

When people say that without Ufotable this shit would be nothing, it's because it's true.

>>273455814
That's not MHA

>>273456488
>Good character design
Only thing you got wrong here. The character designs are hideous and unironically looks like something you'd find from DeviantArt. Adaptation is good though and really elevated a weak source material, turning a pile of shit to a landmine of gold

>>273456698
MHA was good for like 2 whole arcs, thats more than i can say about Kimetsu

>>273455814
Awesome fight scenes animated by Ufotable its a real head scratcher

I mean I don't like it and it has many faults but i prefer it over JJK and MHA.

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>>273455814
>Snorefest of a plot
>Hideous character designs
>ZERO (0) worldbuilding
>...
>But good animation and le moralfag main character
>Sells 5 million copies first month and dominates oricon for two whole years to the point WSJ have to actively sabotage it for the sake of making One Piece not look like a 30k seller by comparison
I'm not mad KnY was so successful, I'm mad it's the ONLY series that was so successful
Much better shit out there that gets axed

>>273457337
>Mmm I prefer shit over piss and puke

>>273457427
>Much better shit out there that gets axed
Name 4

>>273457492
In Shonen Jump?
Dolphin cop
Tokyo Demon Bride
Enigma
Psyren

>>273455845
JJK has the redeeming quality of the manga having well drawn fights and memes
I can't say the same for DS, the fights are literally just powerpoint presentations
>>273456456
Frieren has the redeeming qualities of having top tier female character designs unlike DS's barbie dolls who all looks like babies. I came buckets to Ubel (that slut is so sexy) helps they actually get to do stuff too unlike DS's girls who are useless, plot devices and gag characters
Evan Call is the best composer in the game right now btw
>>273456698
MHA has the redeeming quality of having god tier art drawn by a true artist who is dedicated to his craft and that's something worthy of respect
DS has bad, bad art

>>273457476
You got it wrong, I prefer piss over puke and shit.

>>273457621
Why would anyone like JJK? It's stupid and the ending sucks balls.

>Days since Jeremy seethe about KnY: 0

>>273455814
>I have never seen more unearned popularity in my life.
clearly you have the memory of a goldfish.
>/a/ discovers KnY
>translates it
>author wonders if anyone likes it
>/a/ simps them up on twitter
>author literally thanks everyone who cheered them on online
>especially people from overseas
>keeps drawing and publishing
>/a/ keeps encouraging
>it takes off
>/a/ gets HYPE when an anime is announced
>/a/ SHITS ITSELF when it's ufotable
I was one of the people that helped translate the raw pages when they were posted on /a/. Admittedly there a lot of people that were offering up translations so I was just a voice in the crowd, but /a/ was superhype about the series when the manga was getting serialized.

And now it's edgy and cool to shit on it.

>>273457888
>I was one of the people that helped translate the raw pages when they were posted on /a/.
I started reading it with /a/ around swordsmith arc. The final chapters were some of my favorite times in a translation thread. You and everyone else did God's work. Thank you anon.

>>273455814
Get over it you diva.

>>273457888
/a/ is not a single person, and while this series had dedicated followers, it mostly went unnoticed by the board as a whole besides the occasional Oricon threads and TOC, so the threads were relatively low profile. It was when the anime came at the same time the series entered its final arc it gained more visibility.

>>273457888
/a/ has always had shit taste. why am i supposed to care about that again?

>>273457621
>well drawn fights
c'mon

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>>273457888
>"i was there from the start translating the series"
>pretends to be totally impartial
i was there too and lots of people shat on the series aswell, particularly around the time the swordsmith arc got on its way

>>273458230
NTA but JJK has some incredible choreography, definitely a step above your typical manga. Suzuki does it better thoughbeit.

>>273456423
If the manga was already good, why did it spend three years in the most popular manga magazine in the world with lower sales and popularity than World Trigger?
>>273456698
MHA has good characters and great art.

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>>273455814
Sorry, posted the wrong pic

>>273457761
I didn't say I like JJK, I said the manga has well drawn fights because the fights is cleaner and the flow is better. I had more fun with JJK than DS because the fights aren't a chore
It also doesn't preach like DS which is a plus. I like JJK better cause its not melodramatic

>>273455814
Why do you feel that way?

>>273456423
It's just cope. When you ask them how it managed to sell over 80m volumes in a single year if people only care about the pretty graphics their brain short circuits with even more cope.

>>273456719
>Opinion of one retard
vs
>millions and millions in merch sales and countless fanart
I wonder which is right

>>273458630
Because of it's awful characters, storyline and designs?

>>273456636
Okay but why did the manga continue to sell after the anime ended? Why did people keep buying volumes of a story if they didn't like it?

>>273458829
>aha! it turns out cattle love slop! what now, chuds?!
Not NPCs like (You) who makes up the majority of this slops's fanbase, that's for sure

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>>273458835
>awful designs
Get your eyes checked.

>>273458716
Not cope. JJK's 1st vol sold 30k and as sales grew, it sold 100k by vol 3. The 1st vol of Demon Slayer took 3 years plus an anime to finally surpass 300k copies while Toriko sold more than 200k in its 1st vol.

Demon Slayer grew from volume to volume but most Jump series that don't get axed do, its pre-anime numbers were lower than World Trigger. It was also a part of the Jump Super Push campaign and was promoted by industry veterans but it still couldn't boost its sales. Ufotable pretty much did the job.
>>273458932
Because the anime sold the manga to the people, not the other way around. And the movie came out not long after the anime ended.
>Regarding the series' sudden huge success, Weekly Shōnen Jump editor-in-chief Hiroyuki Nakano stated that the manga sales shot up straight after its anime adaptation finished, explaining that a large number of people watched the series through streaming services after it ended rather than watching it weekly. Nakano also stated that currently is harder for a manga series running in the magazine to become a hit, and Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba despite having started in February 2016, did not became a major hit until late 2019, adding that its "success hinged on word of mouth generated after the anime's run".

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-02-11/jump-editor-in-chief-explains-what-unusual-about-demon-slayer-success/.156186

Also:
>When McLean listed the top five licensed book IPs in the overall book market, Demon Slayer was at number five, behind Harry Potter, Dungeons & Dragons, National Geographic, and Star Wars. That’s a prominent spot for a single manga franchise *albeit one backed by a popular anime*.
https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/53667/circanas-kristen-mclean-opportunities-2023

>>273455814
I agree. Meanwhile an infinitely superior manga like Kekkaishi isn't even remembered.

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>>273455814
>unearned popularity
Is it really that hard to believe that people around the world just like a thing occasionally? Is it?

>>273459084
Thanks for proving his point btw
DS designs are ugly as sin
>>273459279
We're in the golden era of demakes
Soon enough a studio will pick up on Kekkaishi, hopefully Bones or Science Saru

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>>273458835
>I hate thing.
Okay.

>>273455814
i think the first season is solid, but every season/film after is very formulaic and I lost interest. This isnt even a hot take, even the staunchest of KNY fans will attest to this

>>273459343
>Thanks for proving his point btw
Stop pretending to be different people. Old shounen designs are too outdated and minimalist. Only MHA has a slim chance of competing with DS, but not in motion either.

>>273459481
We're two different people retard.

Demon Slayer is the new Saint Seiya, a shitty ass rinse & repeat story that only got famous thanks too a shiny TV adaptation (the anime of SS was more famous than DBZ at the time).

It will not age well.

>>273455814
I think it was fine. The buildup was a little weak but it didn't overstay its welcome and had a proper ending.

>>273459224
You didn't answer the question. How does an anime alone convince millions of people to buy the manga in droves if Ufotable carried the series?

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>>273459481
>everyone is a samefag
Wrong
And nah
Minimalism >>> overly designed cartoon trash
That's why Gen 1 Pokemon is the GOAT and no one cares about those later ass Digimon rejects

>>273459415
ED and Infinity Castle were my favorite arcs. It has a bunch of flaws but I still love the series to pieces.

>>273459580
Honestly it's weird how everything peaked at Gyutaro.

>>273457621
>the manga
>well drawn fights
Tell me you're animeonly without telling me you're animeonly

>>273459626
I already answered your question. The anime didn’t work in isolation, but it served as the primary catalyst. Ufotable’s adaptation elevated the manga, drawing in millions of new fans who then bought the manga. Without the anime, Demon Slayer wouldn’t have reached this level of success, as its pre-anime sales struggled even with Jump’s promotional efforts. If you disagree, consider Nakano’s own statement: the series' success hinged on word-of-mouth after the anime aired.

Now let me ask you: If the manga alone was responsible for selling over 80 million volumes, why did it take 3 full years of mediocre sales to finally blow up only after the anime aired? It’s clear the anime wasn’t just incidental, it was instrumental. You can’t ignore the timeline.

>>273459694
>Shonen fans when they see a good design be like.

>>273460010
Ufotable pushed it into the spotlight but the manga doesn't have flashy graphics and animation so there had to have been some interest in the story for people to want to buy out entire stores for the manga. If animation was all there was to it then that simply wouldn't have happened. The statement is said to discredit KnY's other merits by implying the animation is the only thing it had going for it when it just contributed to giving it a massive push.

To answer that question, KnY wasn't as advertised early on. It started gaining a bit more eyes on it when Nasu, Togashi and Aki recommended it around 2018. Meanwhile JJK rode the huge manga readership wave KnY started and MHA was being shilled hard as the new gen Naruto. Even Oda advocated for it.

>>273459084
left looks nice. natural unadorned beauty. right looks like she wants me to sub to her twitch channel.

>>273460524
KNY has no other good merits.

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>>273459084
Hashiira of Sexo when?

>>273455814
It's a well rounded manga and show to watch, a lot of kids, teens, and even parents I know enjoy Kimetsu. JJK on the other hand is very teen and young adult centric, and it dominate on social network especially twitter and 4chan. While Kimetsu is very simple and to the point, discussion tend to end as is, but nevertheless satisfied. JJK writing on the other hand generate a lot of shit posts and endless nonsensical headcanons to keep the reader engaged then ended with a lukewarm final.

>>273458938
You're deluded contrarian retard. Nothing more.

JJK fucking sucks

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>>273455814
Take all these frustration against DS and JJK and double it on to Chainsaw man.

>>273461543
Name something good about it outside of the anime.

>>273455814
Majestic animation, and that's pretty much this series has to offer. It's not bad or boring, but I expected some epic adventure tale with really amazing animation, and only got the animation, the story is kinda lacking and the characters are not endering at all.

>>273461690
Akaza and Kokushibo.

>>273461121
>good merits
As opposed to the bad merits? Please stop, you're overdosing on contrarianism and it's rotting your brain.

>>273455814
This is a not a picture of Dandadan.

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>>273461121
It has Godjima

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>>273460524
Again, Demon Slayer’s 1st vol sold 13k in its first week and didn’t hit 300k until three years later after the anime. By contrast, JJK sold nearly 30k with its first volume and hit 100k by vol 3, all before its anime aired. JJK was already building momentum on its own; it didn’t need to ‘ride’ anything. And while the MHA claim is somewhat true, MHA was positioned as Jump’s flagship title after Naruto ended, and it delivered on the hype. MHA's 1st vol sold 300k in its first month and surpassed 1M by vol 3. It consistently performed well before its anime. Demon Slayer struggled to get noticed for 3 years and needed Ufotable to push it into the spotlight. MHA didn’t rely on anime hype for its early success; it stood on its own.

The anime did push Demon Slayer into the spotlight, and that doesn’t discredit its story or characters, sure. All I'm saying is it highlights how the anime bridged the gap between the manga and a wider audience. Without the anime, the story wouldn’t have reached millions of fans in such a short time. Nakano himself said the success "hinged on word of mouth after the anime aired."

Lastly, I didn't say Demon Slayer doesn't have its merits. The anime brought fans to the table, and the manga kept them there. But the anime was the turning point, and its pre-anime sales prove that the manga alone wasn’t enough to achieve that success. That’s not a discredit, it’s acknowledging what made the series successful.

I wanted to like Demon Slayer. But I couldn't bring myself to care much reading it. I found the mentor character a bit weak. I didn't care about the family dying when we got confirmation of an afterlife. The ghost kids did not tug my heartstrings because they seemed like pointless deaths. I didn't like that we never got a real reason for how the boulder was split other than 'he did it'.

Also, the trio with pighead and electric baby felt forced. I felt they had no reason to be around each other. I also still don't care about the fire guy who died that everyone seems to love in the movie.

I genuinely felt it was trying to be One Piece but it wasn't funny to me in the way that One Piece was.

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>>273462604
I actually liked Tanjiro's master and hoped it was indicative of the other "grownups" we would meet in the series, men and women of discipline and gravitas who balanced the silliness of the younger characters. But nope, they're just annoying chuunis who are strong. That was about when my interest and respect for the writing dropped off severely.

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>>273457287
She's so fucking hot. think Ufo will add a flashback confirming GiyuShino?

>>273462759
I was on a weird realism kick when I read the series and I was trying to treat Demon Slayer as a more serious manga than it really was, so his murderous training felt really nonsensical. I understand in hindsight how silly that was but these kinds of genre cliches are what I feel breaks Demon Slayer for me. Like One Piece and Dragonball do the same shit, but they also make me laugh so I don't apply the same degree of scrutiny.

>>273455814
>They're still mad
Lol

>>273462604
Demon Slayer is a poorly written series with a formulaic, predictable plot where bullshit will just happen out of pure coincidence to make life easier for the MC in ways he did not earn and is stifled with conceptual mistakes, cringeworthy emotionalism and one dimensional characters with zero nuance.

Forced cliches like the power of flashback for instance. It seems that the writer took every bad trope about shounen manga and doubled down upon them. It saves itself by the animation and the despair that is the fight against a superior enemy. However, even this descends into cartoonish ridiculous dumb antagonists that lose more by incredible incompetence and forced plots than anything else. The good guys are equally as retarded as the bad guys who makes a lot of bad decisions that results in them dying pointless unnecessary deaths for tragedy's sake.

The timeline itself requires suspension of disbelief. After all, why the hell aren't the government involved when they have a whole ass mountain full of demons to prove their existence? The protagonist himself is boring and no character besides the big bad seems to have brain cells enough to take seriously the immense benefits of demonization such as immortality. Besides, the fact that the big bad never used this to his benefit to take over the government and expand to other countries seems absurd.

Had the story happened 500 years earlier it would make way more sense. Honestly, this whole series existed for the Entertainment District arc and nothing else. The rest would benefit from a rewrite by a more competent writer.

>>273456488
Based

>>273462868
For me, it's the artificial stakes that breaks my immersion and why I couldn't get into Demon Slayer. We know Nezuko isn't going to die since she's one of the main characters. And then she gets saved by a new ability from out of nowhere. This story plays things too safe and is predictable to a fault. Nobody except Rengoku dies until the final arc. A story with proper stakes would have killed many important characters along the way, not wait until the end of the story where it's the safest time to start killing characters.

>>273462806
>She's so fucking hot.
It barely looks like a human face. If I saw that soulless mask-like expression in a dark alley IRL, I'd probably shit myself.

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The part that never ever ever gets answered in a clear and logical way during all the complaining about "there's not a single quality to KnY as a story outside of the animation" is [Why did people keep reading it in droves]?

"B-but they read the manga AFTER the anime!"

Okay, so why didn't they buy a couple of volumes, felt disgusted by the ugly art and ultra-boring story and dull characters, put down the shitty comic, and just decided to wait for the anime? Heck, I know I made this exact decision in the past when an anime adaptation convinced me to check out a manga that quickly proved to be an inferior product. I just gave up after a few chapters and decided to wait for a new season of the adaptation.

Schizos really wanna pretend that in a tense pandemic economy, where people were losing jobs, struggling to make ends meet and worrying about the future, a comic really sold 80 million copies in a single fiscal year for the sole reason that people liked the version of it that had color, voice and music.

How does that work exactly...?

I'm not talking about "reading it online".
I'm not talking about "looking at some spoilers".
I'm talking about buying 20+ volumes of a manga you DISLIKE, that you can't possibly like, because there's nothing good about it, not the characters, not the story, nothing at all, it provides no value because there's no animation. Yet, you keep taking money out of your pocket and spending more, you keep buying volumes until you finish it.

Not because you're curious to know how it ends, not because you care, no, that's impossible! You just keep spending your money because you got hypnotized by the pretty colors, you got so mindfucked by episode 19 that instead of just rewatching it for free on your cellphone you decide to throw money at an inferior depiction of the same events.

You only liked the animation, so you decided to spend lots of money on something that has no animation.

Not because you wanna see what happens next. Sure.

>>273462604
>Felt it was trying to be One Piece
That's the oddest thing anyone has said about KnY

>>273457427
>to the point WSJ have to actively sabotage
qrd?

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>>273462728
Trilogy and the climax of the Muzan fight will be so visually stunning. I wanna watch it with my daughter when she's older.

>>273463691
>sonic boom
>natural disaster

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>>273461163
Mitsuri's cool but Kakushi girls are somehow better

>>273463069
Ok, fag

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>>273463377
This is a strawman. People bought the manga because they loved the story, but it was the anime that introduced the story to a much wider audience. This doesn’t mean the manga is worthless, it means the anime acted as a catalyst. Nakano, the editor-in-chief of Jump, explicitly stated that Demon Slayer’s success "hinged on word-of-mouth after the anime aired." The timeline speaks for itself: pre-anime sales were middling; post-anime sales exploded.

Also, your argument that "it doesn’t make sense in a tense economy" ignores reality. The pandemic was not universally bad for entertainment industries, it was a boon for certain sectors, particularly manga, anime, video games, and streaming. People were stuck at home, seeking affordable entertainment, and physical or digital manga became an easy, accessible option. This isn’t "conjecture", it’s backed by sales figures across multiple franchises. You're cherry-picking the economic downturn while ignoring the broader context of how people shifted their spending during lockdowns. You're also conveniently dismissing how manga markets globally tripled in size during this time (see picrel).

I didn't say the manga is bad. The anime amplified its appeal by bringing the story, characters, and emotional moments to a larger audience. People then bought the manga to continue the story or re-experience it in a different format. This isn’t unique to Demon Slayer, it’s a common pattern for anime-manga franchises (see Attack on Titan).

Lastly, Demon Slayer’s 1st vol sold 13k in its debut week and struggled for 3 years to hit 300k. JJK's 1st vol sold nearly 30k and hit 100k by vol 3, all pre-anime. MHA's 1st vol debuted with 300k in its first month and surpassed 1M by vol 3.

These numbers show that Demon Slayer was underperforming until the anime, whereas JJK and MHA had organic growth. The claim that JJK "rode Demon Slayer’s wave" doesn’t align with the data.

>>273463715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owlRuul5Tk4

a-anon, I......

>>273462537
You may not have thought that but many people say it to discredit it all the time like it was a colossal failure before the anime. Often times unprovoked too when people just want to discuss it. Those are the people I refer to as coping instead of understanding that both the quality of the anime and it's story(as well as some other possible anomalies) contributed to its crazy success. Its foolish to think the anime alone was the cause because it doesnt make logical sense. Almost every manga gets a boost after getting an anime because anime is another form of advertising for the manga. Some do better than others before their anime and that depends on how many people are even aware of its existence. MHA for example got a lot of exposure early on due to the big push it received from Jump to replace Naruto and Oda's recommendations. For KnY that push didn't really happen until around Vol 7.

>>273463722
I now understand Muslims

>>273463470
I never read Naruto. I could also see an argument for YYH, I guess but that felt more serious. My pool of battle shonen is limited.

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>>273455814
I think it's earned. It's a great entry level show/manga that isn't offensive. It might be overglazed but it's a significantly better entry level show than something like SnK, JJK or Frieren

>>273463957
What's your issue with Frieren by comparison? I'm not impressed with it either, but I had lower expectations going in so I feel I was less disappointed by it compared to Demon Slayer.

The manga people often call 'the least offensive' in terms of how hard it is to get into is FMA. How would you say it compares to that?

>>273459822
>>273458230
>>well drawn fights
NTA but art style != choreography, and that's what the other anon meant.
After a while, you get used to any artstyle, and you might even start liking it a bit. Look at OPM's web comic. It has one of the most garbage art out there, but ONE knows how to do panelling well, which is the most important. So art is irrelevant for "well drawn fights" (or for anything else, you just get used to it after a bit). It's the choreography that separates a mediocre fight in a manga from a great one, and gege does very well in that regard.

>>273463778
If you're not one of the guys that says "it has no value outside of the animation", then what I said isn't directed at you.
Outside of 14yos on TikTok, I don't think you'll find many people that will say the anime was irrelevant to KnY's massive success.

I agree with almost everything you said, except for a few points:

>economic downturn
I focused on the pandemic because of the sheer number of sales. I didn't mean to say nobody was buying manga during that period (indeed, being stuck at home would make people read more, not less). But the famous 80 million in a year figure makes some arguments I hear like "people just bought 20 volumes in a row because episode 19 got famous" sound hilarious. 80 million in 12 months is an absurd number. Not everyone was suffering financially during the pandemic, but a fuckload of people were.

>MHA had organic growth
I agree with this. MHA's start is very strong, much more impactful than KnY, especially because Horikoshi was a superior artist compared to Gotouge from day 1. Gotouge takes a few volumes to find their footing.

>JJK
JJK is a strange case because "the next Kimetsu" was a real thing that Shueisha tried to push in japanese TV shows at the time. It's fair to say that it would grow and sell a lot regardless, but it did get a "higher peak", so to speak, because of the wave that affected the whole industry at the same. You can disagree, but I really think that without the KnY boom, JJK wouldn't have reached higher selling peaks than MHA (its content is much less consistent).

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>>273463997
For me a good anime/manga needs
>A good story
>Immersive World (This can be things like the power systems that people/kids will fantasize about)
>Memorable Characters
>Fanservice
>Comedy
Now I think you can get away with breaking those rules, an anime with no Comedy can still be great, same for an anime with no Fanservice, same for a show that lacks a good Story but manages to be entertaining anyway. The problem is when an anime without one of those 5 key pillars becomes an entry level anime it creates a very insufferable kind of "anime fan", the kind of fan that has seen nothing but SnK and then makes a post
>I loved SnK but all the other anime I watch has creepy sexualization, can you recommend anything good?
It creates a warped impression of the medium as a whole. I think Demon Slayer does a good job of hitting all 5 of those pillars and creating a good foundation for someone who might then go on to watch other anime/read other manga. SnK/Frieren/JJK are all pretty good, I'll concede subjectively maybe all 3 are better than Demon Slayer overall but they are terrible entry level shows

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>>273463064
I feel the same way. Shows where no characters die are boring and uninteresting. How am I supposed to become invested in the ostensible "stakes" if I just know from the get go that all these characters are going to be safe the whole way through? More shows need to kill off characters, and in greater numbers. JJK and Demon Slayer are only halfway there. JJK kills off some characters, but uses fakeout deaths for others, and Demon Slayer only commits to killing a large number of characters in the final arc when the story is already wrapping up so at that point, it's not risky to do so. More characters should die throughout the story, as early as the first arc.

Imagine if Infinity Fortress was instead in the middle of the story, the turning point that splits the first and second half. Heading into the fortress was a loss for the Pillars, lots of them died, but the few that remain made it out. The Upper Moons are still alive. Now the stakes has been raised tenfold since there aren't many Pillars left, and there are still Upper Moons wandering around, and there's an entire second half of the story left.

If the majority of the cast are still alive until the end of the story, then it's a bad story. Fans can call this a brainlet take but I'm right and they know it. I don't ever want to be recommended a shounen if there are no stakes. It's just a waste of time.

>>273464180
I see what you mean then. I guess Frieren fails at the immersive world section and has limited fanservice. I will say that my casual anime friends watched only season 1 of Demon Slayer and assumed it had no fanservice in it. Whoops.

I do think FMA meets that criteria.

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>>273464191
>Fans can call this a brainlet take but I'm right and they know it.

No, you're just simping for the wrong genre for some disturbing reason. Go watch horror movies if you NEED deaths every 10 minutes.

Any series that kills 8+ named characters during fleshed out battles has very much real stakes, regardless of your personal arbitrary preferences of when "it's valid" or not.

>"Imagine if..."

Nobody wants to read your fanfiction. You have no writing talent, which makes you cling to the works of people who know what they're doing while you try to "improve" something without understanding why it worked in the first place.

>>273464191
I disagree in that I feel you don't necessarily need deaths to have stakes, but only in so far that the tone needs to be appropriately light-hearted in that situation. Demon Slayer felt like it was trying to have its cake and eat it too. I could never be excited about a new demon to fight because I was just waiting for the guys to finish it off because them losing would end the story.

>>273464312
I think FMA is fine too yep

>>273464191
lol
there's a difference between "stakes" and "misery porn". stories that feel too dreadful are niche for a reason. kny follows araki's method of sprinking a death midway and saving most dramatic sacrifices for the climax because it's a tested and true method since stardust crusaders

>>273464359
you stopped at season 1, I suppose?

>>273464191
You underestimate how much Rengoku's death alone impacted the feeling of dread for the fate of other pillars throughout the story. You can say that it has "no stakes" now because you know how it ended but in the moment people were biting their nails with whether or not Tengen was gonna make it out alive against an Upper Moon after a Hashira died to one. Said Hashira lived but now the corps is down 2 whole incredibly powerful units. Then when things start looking good because of marks and a clean Upper 4 and 5 kill, 2 Hashira and Genya get shanked. Nobody knew who was making it out alive and even joked about croc going on a crazed murder spree. People even thought croc was crazy enough to kill off one of the main characters at that point.

>>273464421
Read the whole manga. I watched like three episodes with them but we never got around to the rest. Wasn't a big fan. Kept 'ruining' it for them, so I tried to be quiet from them out.

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>>273463861
They were indeed onto something

>>273464191
>>273463064
What anime/manga would you say have real "stakes" where anyone can die? I feel like it's extremely rare. You make a point with Nezuko she's the primary character. It would be like Denji dying in Chainsaw Man, so what shows do you think manage to do it well?

>>273458349
>>273464131
>JJK has some incredible choreography
c'mon

>>273458462
BnHA is unironically the only one of the MID 3 that deserved its fame. There is a clear effort in creating a story, themes, characters, scenes and a universe. JJK is driven by shock and KnY is driven by muh tragic flashbacks.

>>273464507
Then I don't get it.
Didn't Mugen Train count as a defeat to you?
I mean, if you're talking about the MC himself not dying to some new demon, isn't that every shonen ever?

>>273464642
This is actually one of the calmer KnY threads in spite of the bait OP.

>>273464642
unironically based.

>>273464335
"Fleshed out battles" only work when you actually spend a substantial amount of time getting to know these characters involved in said battles, which you don't because the author threw most of the characterization into the fanbooks and side materials like it was inconsequential when it would given more depth to many of the characters outside of their backstories and make them not feel like lego blocks devoid of substance. Already there did the author fuck up and it's very telling that he awkwardly tried to cram in everything in the final arc as characters are about to die because the story was pretty much already wrapped up so that there was no risk involved.

And be honest, did you honestly care when some of the lesser Hashira fell? I sure as hell didn't care about any of them even with their sob stories laid out besides the Mist Pillar, because it all felt manipulative rather than earned and it’s difficult to mourn characters you barely know.

That's why it takes balls to not only flesh out your characters, but kill them halfway through than it does killing them just when you're about to reach the finishing. You can disagree as much as you want, but I'm right and you know I'm right. There was never any stakes in Demon Slayer. Not in Red Light District, not in Swordsmith Village, not in Hashira Training and certainly not in Infinity Fortress. It's all artificial stakes.

>>273464670
I like BnHA, but your apparent sense of superiority towards KnY sounds delusional. KnY is a very effective story. Saying something like "muh tragic flashbacks" also show that you don't engage with the material in good faith, especially when there are fights in BnHA that can feel more like a therapy session than a classical shonen conflict.
I believe Dabi and Toga won't be remembered nearly as fondly as Akaza and Kokushibo 10 years from now, even if I liked how all 4 characters were handled.

>>273464642
The series is only good when even its opponents don't dare to shit on it. If a series is only loved by its fans it means nothing.

>>273464670
>O MY SEVEN QUIRKS
>>>>>Clear effort
C'mon now, even its own spinoff had more effort put into it.

>>273456488
The character designs and the scars on half of the character's faces drove me away from this property. Last year I tried to watch it and made it about 9 episodes before getting bored. The Michael Jackson antagonist was the most left field character design in a shonen played straight I've ever seen, it completely took me out of the story.

>>273461543
>A MILLION FLIES CAN'T BE WRONG

>>273465027
BUT THINK OF LE QUALITY, THE ANIMATION actually almost indistinguishable from AI "upscaled" videos

>>273455814
Inuyasha from Temu

>>273455814
>in my life.
damn son.
You are not allowed to post in 4chan. Grow up some more years before posting here.

>>273464708
Gave no fucks about fire guy.

>>273464592
Unironically for all its problems, Akame ga Kill is one of the few series that actually does it right where JJK and Demon Slayer falls flat: you could never count on the main cast having plot armor. When Mein squared off against Esdeath in the Tatsumi rescue mission there was a real chance she'd have bought it right there (and in the anime version she actually did, lol).

Most shounen series are way too fucking scared to kill off major characters, because god forbid you kill someone off right as the publisher cuts a merchandising deal or something and now you're trying to sell a $300 statue of a dead character or something.

Not to mention the high price VA they hired for the anime throwing their weight around if they don't like how the character gets treatedMAO is infamous for this, along with a few others. There was a Tales game some years back where the VA literally fucked the director to get her character's role expanded, lol.

>>273464708
>>273465259
Also, I will say that the existence of the afterlife meant I basically thought of all the deaths as deaths in Dragonball. I couldn't care much since I knew they'd get to live forever and be happy basically. So when the show tried to make me care, I kind of didn't.

The ending reinforced this notion to me.

>>273465274
I felt JJK had 'anyone can die'. I know they ran it back after a bit, but it still felt that way when reading. I didn't particularly like that anyone could die, but I saw it as possible. It felt like Gege did not give a fuck about any of the cast.

>>273465274
> now you're trying to sell a $300 statue of a dead character or something.
Rengoku is the most popular KnY merch character

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>>273464757
>"Fleshed out battles" only work

Delusional. You're not the arbiter of how much time it takes for someone to care.

>story was pretty much already wrapped up so that there was no risk

You're literally the only person I've ever met that holds this very specific, odd and peculiar view. Are you on the spectrum? Not even trying to mock you, I have a relative who's autistic and this sounds like something he might say.
I will try to explain how the average person feels about what you call "stakes":

If the character I like lives, me happy.
If the character I like dies, me sad.

Not knowing if, how or when the character might die adds a certain "buzz" or "tension" to the fight scenes, and this is enjoyable in a controlled environment (fiction).

You keep talking about this "risk" like you're making some negotiation, like the only way a death "matters" is if you're forced to spend 50 episodes of new adventures and places while missing the character that died, but that's not how the average viewer feels or "calculates" the "value" of death in fiction at all.

You just root for the character to survive, like rooting for a team in a sports match.

The author provides stakes by creating situations where you're not sure if your team/character will "win" or "lose". As long as that element of uncertainty is there, we call it "stakes", no matter if there's 100 chapters left on the story or 2 chapters left.

You're free to create another word for your very specific fetish, but trying to co-opt the way everyone use the word "stakes" for your personal and reductive definition is just odd.

>did you honestly care when some of the lesser Hashira fell?
Yes.

>but I'm right and you know I'm right.
No, you're completely wrong, and the relationship people have with fiction since ever is on my side. Where are all the wildly sucessful examples of stories that "takes balls" and have "real stakes"? Readers don't care about your arbitrary "before the last arc" goalpost.

>>273464989
do you even live in the real world?
haters are a normal consequence of success and status.

I still maintain that the final battle against Muzan is the best one in all recent shōnen series.

>>273456423
You think people would learn by now with JJK(season 2 animation is debatable), CSM(debatable), Frieren and DDD(IMO is even better then Demon slayer season 1 but can't cach episode 19 yet). All of them have "sasuga" animation which they claim that what make Demon slayer popular but none of them even come close to its succeed. 2 of them even get advertised as the next Demon slayer. At this point just accept that people like different things and just move on with your life instead just wondering how things got popular.

>>273463069
Holy fucking shit taste

>>273458716
Covid
Also the fact that the movie virtually had no competition. Pixar's Onward was the only other animated movie that was out that year.

>>273465385
>You're not the arbiter of how much time it takes for someone to care.
Unironically yeah I am and I'm more qualified than (You) because I don't fall so easily for emotionally exploitative writing by an insecure author who uses flashbacks very excessively for the sake of artificially evoking sympathy from otherwise very one dimensional characters. Instead of fleshing them out organically while they're still alive and giving you a chance to get to know them, they're just treated as walking stereotypes who all of a sudden become sympathetic because bad shit happened to them once in their lifetime.

And the author constantly tries to beat you to death with an emotion or idea he wants you to feel at the moment. So much of his writing would be so much better if he cut some monologue or flashbacks a few lines short. It's not even exposition dumping, it's just the author forcing the audience to see characters a certain way without any build up for the emotional pay off.
>Yes.
No you didn't. Nobody unironically gave a rat's ass about nothinghburger characters like the snake manlet who you only get to know when he's about to die in a brief flashback along with his asspull romance with the harlot that came out of nowhere, lol.
>No, you're completely wrong,
Nope, I'm completely right and (You) know I'm right no matter how hard (You) want to disagree. Stories with actual stakes has the balls to kill its characters halfway through and not wait until the story is ending to do it. Nowhere in the story did I ever think the MCs were at risk on losing and they would come out just fine by the end when there are plenty of times they should have died throughout the story. The only character that dies is Rengoku and no one else until the story is nearly wrapped up in the same arc their first and only fight happens in. None of the others last long enough for you to really care about them, so their deaths end just up hollow because writer played it too safe.

>>273465851
What does the movie have to do with the manga sales?

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>>273465936
>because I don't fall so easily for emotionally exploitative writing

I'm glad you found a way of answering my question about you being on the spectrum, I appreciate it.

>so much of his writing would be so much better if he cut some monologue or flashbacks a few lines short

Frustrated-fanfiction-writer brain.

>No you didn't.
Don't waste my time if you're going to be a brick wall. Don't ask yes/no questions if you're not prepared for both answers.

>Stories with actual stakes has the balls to kill its characters halfway through and not wait until the story is ending to do it

Akagame ga Kill, a story with "balls": remembered as a joke

Breaking Bad, which kills all of its most popular characters (Mike, Hank, Walt) in the very last season, despite having lots of gun fights and risky situations before that: remembered as a classic.

I will repeat it once more: you don't use the word "stakes" like normal people do. You just have some strange fetish.

>>273456036
It has dignity, so it has none of that.

>>273455814
Your mom's whore pussy's popularity is more unearned

>>273464517
Veiled blowjob

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>>273464670
When it comes to nu-shounen, MHA stands head and shoulders above the rest, and frankly, it’s not even a contest. MHA will be remembered for a very long time and be considered a classic unlike JJK, KNY and most other contemporary shounen (for the time being). The secret to MHA’s staying power lies in its commitment to character development. It manages to achieve something that feels almost unheard of in the genre: making the characters not feel one-dimensional. The series excels at weaving its ensemble cast into meaningful, layered interactions, elevating it far beyond the norm. When you have thought-out characters like Endeavor and Twice, MHA ensures there’s always substance to unpack and discuss, unlike the usual shounen slop you might get.

By contrast, JJK and KNY rely far too heavily on tropes and predictable beats. Their "character development" often happens off-screen, making their interactions feel shallow and transactional. Shock value and tragedy take the place of genuine character-building, and we’re just supposed to assume friendships exist without seeing them organically form. Result? Flat, one-dimensional characters who serve as plot devices rather than actual people. Why should I feel invested in them when the series doesn’t give me a reason to? They’re cogs in the narrative machine, not personalities to connect with.

On another note, MHA is a series where you can tell whatever stories with random heroes and villains in a different place in a different time. You could have a MHA spin-off set in the US, France, Australia or even some place in Africa and it'd fit just in. You can't do the same with JJK and KNY because they're far too Japan-centric and their world hinges on the main villains. They have no spin-off, prequel or worldbuilding potential.

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>>273465559
The funny thing is that the Muzan fight is just like the Infinity Castle itself - the way Gotouge thought about it is just plain cool when you explain it into words, but as an artist, they couldn't portray it to its maximum potential.
Someone like Horikoshi or Murata would make the Muzan fight look amazing without changing a single [event] or [plot point] of the fight, just by being able to depict the characters' movements in more clear ways. The scale and range of Muzan's attacks are perfect for a desperate Boss Raid, but Gotouge's art is too messy to portray the feeling of nonstop dodging, running and jumping that other artists would draw fantastic sequences to convey.

In short, the Ufotable treatment will probably have a bigger impact on the perception of the Muzan fight compared to the fights of the movie trilogy, because those were already easier to draw in the manga as well.

>>273459084
Why the fuck does everyone in this series have two-toned gradient hair? Or random patterns slapped on their faces? Shit's ugly, and that's even when looking at the vastly superior anime adaptation. The original manga art is so much worse than the anime in terms of uglyness, just like AoT/SnK.

>>273463069
Guess you'd prefer the top. My bad.

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>>273466244
>When it comes to movie franchises, Harry Potter stands head and shoulders above the rest, and frankly, it’s not even a contest. Harry Potter will be remembered for a very long time and be considered a classic unlike Leone's Dollars trilogy, or Ridley Scott's Gladiator. The secret to Harry Potter's staying power lies in its commitment to character development. It manages to achieve something that feels almost unheard of in movies: making the characters not feel one-dimensional. The series excels at weaving its ensemble cast into meaningful, layered interactions, elevating it far beyond the norm thanks to the runtime provided by its EIGHT movies. When you have thought-out characters like Snape and Dumbledore, HP ensures there’s always substance to unpack and discuss, unlike the usual slop you might get.
>By contrast, Leone's cowboy tales and Scott's Gladiator rely far too heavily on tropes and predictable beats. Their "character development" often happens in the confines of a mere 3-hour movie, making their interactions feel shallow and transactional. Shock value and tragedy take the place of genuine character-building, and we’re just supposed to assume friendships exist by barely seeing them organically form. Result? Flat, one-dimensional characters who serve as plot devices rather than actual people. Why should I feel invested in them when the movies doesn’t give me a reason to? They’re cogs in the narrative machine, not personalities to connect with.
>On another note, Harry Potter is a series where you can tell whatever stories with random wizards in a different place in a different time. You could have a Harry Potter spin-off set in the US, France, Australia or even some place in Africa and it'd fit just in. You can't do the same with movies like The Good, the Bad and the Ugly and Gladiator because they're far too time-period-centric and their world hinges on short premises. They have few spin-off, prequel or worldbuilding potential.

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>>273466095
>I'm glad you found a way of answering my question about you being on the spectrum
Nice, the classic fallback to cheap personal jabs when you’re too pressed to actually address the argument. Ad hominem is the lowest tier of debate tactics btw, so I take this as a concession.
>Frustrated-fanfiction-writer brain.
Not an argument. And Demon Slayer is already a fanfic of Phantom Blood, Inuyasha, D-Gray Man and Naruto.
>Don't waste my time if you're going to be a brick wall
Nope, (You) don't waste my time recommending or defending some shounen if there were never stakes to be had in first place. You're just wasting my time.
>Akagame ga Kill, a story with 'balls': remembered as a joke.
And Akame ga Kill still at least committed to its premise of unpredictability, unlike Demon Slayer, which is so allergic to taking risks it might as well come with a safety warning, lol. Akame ga Kill's flaws don’t invalidate the merit of killing off characters to keep audiences guessing.
>Breaking Bad... remembered as a classic."
Bad analogy. Breaking Bad meticulously built tension across multiple seasons, so when those deaths happen, they felt earned and had devastating consequences for the story. Demon Slayer just drops shallow backstories and emotional flashbacks at the last minute before axing a character we barely know, as if the audience should be invested in their deaths.
>I will repeat it once more: you don't use the word 'stakes' like normal people do."
And I will say this: normalfags/NPCs shouldn’t be your benchmark for what makes a story good. If you’re content to get manipulated by a cheap flashback or a sob story slapped onto a nothing character five seconds before they die with some dramatic violin music, congrats, you’ve just admitted to having the emotional depth of a kiddie pool and Demon Slayer is just the right series for you.
>You just have some strange fetish.
no u

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>>273466296

>Someone like Horikoshi or Murata would make the Muzan fight look amazing without changing a single [event] or [plot point] of the fight, just by being able to depict the characters' movements in more clear ways. The scale and range of Muzan's attacks are perfect for a desperate Boss Raid, but Gotouge's art is too messy to portray the feeling of nonstop dodging, running and jumping that other artists would draw fantastic sequences to convey.

The Infinity Castle battles have some of the strongest character writing in the series that is also very few other shōnen series can replicate.

>>273466745
>A-ad hominem
It didn't escape my attention that you didn't deny being autistic. Now, please remember that one might offend you while still addressing your argument, especially when it's an opinion-lauded spiel.

Here it goes:
I disagree with what you said. (argument addressed)
Also, on a separate note, you're an autistic faggot. (personal offense)

I hope you've learned something.

>Akame ga Kill still at least committed
Nobody cares. It's a meme series. Again, you just get a chubby from "muh total unpredictable death at the 12nd minute of episode 14".

>normalfags/NPCs shouldn’t be your benchmark for what makes a story good
They pay the author's bills.
You're just masturbating over your "superior taste" while your audience is a couple anons in this thread. You're just some guy. As a data point of what makes a good story for consumption, pleasing you exclusively is irrelevant. Normalfags/NPCs are literally why these stories exist, and you try to pretend you're above them while consuming the same exact media because behind all the "media literacy" (lol) facade you just wanna see colorful action figures punching each other, just like the normalfag reactors on youtube.

>Demon Slayer is just the right series for you
For my whole family as well. The movies are gonna be so fun.

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>>273467021
Akaza/Douma/Koku back-to-back-to-back will always be amazing to read/watch. So much good scenes, dialogue, themes and payoffs.

>>273467094
GODjima rocks

>>273467030
>I disagree with what you said.
And I accept your concession. You're still a faggot though and I did learn something today: you're an ESL.
>Nobody cares. It's a meme series.
Doesn't matter if it's a meme series, people cared enough to keep talking about it years later, lol. Meanwhile, you’re here acting like Demon Slayer is the untouchable standard of art when it’s just a gateway shounen for casual underage newfags like (You). If you’re satisfied with surface-level storytelling and shallow characters, that’s on (You). Also...
>Again, you just get a chubby from "muh total unpredictable death at the 12nd minute of episode 14".
It's 12th, not 12nd. Fix your English, por favor. You sound you're having a stroke. It's like Demon Slayer's fans are all ESLs.
>They pay the author's bills.
Congrats, you’ve solved capitalism. Btw, just because something is financially successful doesn’t mean it’s good. Or are we going to argue that McDonald’s is the pinnacle of cuisine now because it sells the most burgers?
>You're just masturbating over your "superior taste" while your audience is a couple anons in this thread.
At least I’m engaging critically with the media I consume instead of slapping my hands together like a trained seal, rofl. If you can’t handle someone questioning your beloved franchise for kids, that’s your problem.
>Normalfags/NPCs are literally why these stories exist
And this is why mainstream slop is formulaic and risk-averse, because creators pander to cattles like (You), who clap along as long as there are cheap emotional beats and predictable endings. You’re proving my point better than I ever could.
>behind all the "media literacy" (lol) facade you just wanna see colorful action figures punching each other, just like the normalfag reactors on youtube.
Ironic words coming from a Demon Slayer fan when your entire fanbase is made up of Youtubers, lol.
>The movies are gonna be so fun.
Then go and watch the movies fag, lmao.

>>273467517
Funny how you ignored his correct explanation about the difference between ad hom and an insult
>You sound you're having a stroke. It's like Demon Slayer's fans are all ESLs.
Holy kek

>>273467575
Don't matter, because one little grammatical mistake is not as bad as
>you just get a chubby
>12nd minute of episode 14
Whatever "get a chubby" even means or 12nd instead of 12th, lol.

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>>273467673
>Don't matter
Lmfao
The funniest part is that I'm certain that you're making all these errors while meticulously proofreading your posts to avoid embarrassing yourself in exactly the manner you just did. This is literally the best you can do, holy shit I feel bad for your English teachers if you happen to live in a first world country
>Whatever "get a chubby" means
I guess it was obvious from the start but demonstrating that you've been projecting like this is really something else

>>273455814
>Righteous MC destroying the demons (Jude) who preyed upon his family and humanity.
>unearned
Jewish claws typed this post.
>demons usually include huge noses in their deformities

>>273467738
>urban dictionary
You might as well use 9gag or ifunny

>>273455814
Plot is mid but the soundtrack and animation carry it hard. Its an enjoyable show plus the comedy is pretty funny.

>>273456698
I came here to post the same, hero academia was carried hard by fujos and people enjoying the shitshow.

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Seethemetsu no Yikesba became a timeless shōnen classic from day 0

>>273468381
This series is nothing without the sakuga, so it will never be a classic. It's one of these series that will age like milk just like Saint Seiya, another manga carried by the anime

>>273468424
>just like Saint Seiya
anon Saint Seiya is still super important in various countries

And that's why the anime system is the best thing ever made.
You can turn shitty mangas into megaprofits by just hitting them with the adaptation laser.
Now enjoy the mullah

>>273469147
True lol