>yuri manga>moid on the coverI read this genre so I DON'T have to look at these creatures.
Do you cover all the mirrors in your house too
>>274988132Why do lesbians hate men so much?
>>274988408Reminds me of the recent yuri and male author discourse
>>274988476QRD?
>>274988476i tried searching but they were all replies to private twits
>>274988408In this case it's not lesbians but trannies
>>274988408shit-testing above their worth and incredibly bitter that no one wants to bother passing
>>274988570>twits
>>274988708exes, fine, whatever
>>274988734Searching online shows that only spics use "tuit" rather than "tweet".
>>274988708xitts
>>274988791xcretes
>>274988818xcreets
>>274988408how can op be a lesbian if he's a man?
>>274988132>hating on based JoeOP is Kanna.
>>274988132Look in the mirror faggot lmfao
>>274988570I've posted some character count limit length opinions on the topic lately that got me multiple angry yuri feminist replies but I don't know if that's what he's talking about. But most yuri isn't about hating men, and a lot of yuri just chill girl's love and pretty positive. /u/ is about hating men though.
>>274988408>Lesbians
This is Omae Gotoki Volume 3 cover, now seethe lol
>>274988408>lesbians You mean guys with autogenphilia
>tfw that lesbian himejo (that used to LARP as biscum until she realised it was not a real sexuality) unlocked her account againNice.
>>274988132Because that manga is not yuri.It's a disguised straight romance for twitter lesbians.Any "yuri" manga where one of the girls might as well be a shoujo manga MC is for people like that. Wannabe "lesbians" from twitters.
>>274988408100% of "lesbians" on 4chan are trannies
>>274991216I want this to be true as I am exhausted of hating women and would like to stop but /u/'s vitriolic hatred of genderbender has convinced me that they are, in fact, real women.
>>274988132>yuri thread>moid in OPI open those threads so I DON'T have to look at these creatures.
>>274988132Wat
>>274988132Joe is bait to trick normalfag straight women into reading yuri and it works perfectly.
>>274988408op is a tranny, not a lesbo
Is this the thread?
>>274994652>Shitty ass bait threadNah
>>274994652no
>>274988132projecting mangled freak lollesbians are more repulsed by you than by men lmao
>>274988408>lesbianop is a self hating male
>>274988132OK?
>>274988132
>>274988408Sure thing.
>>274988408Why don't you hate men?Men are awful subhuman trash.
>>274989993There are plenty of yuri manga that act like shoujo MCs. Not too many where the love interest is a reverse trap
Why do non-yurifags complain about yurifags shitting on males in yuri manga yet 100% agree with the position that there shouldn’t be any males in yuri to begin with? The guys can’t fuck the girls by nature of it being a yuri manga, so the only two options left are for the girls to reject guys or for the guys to never become romantically involved. The most popular yuri series on /a/ (Yuru Yuri and MahoAko) are ones without males too.
>>274988408OP is a man who thinks he's a woman.Outside of 4chan, most lesbians are just going through a phase and will eventually marry a man.
>>274997008don't project your issues onto us normal people, freak
>>274997054because trannoid abominations hate being reminded of what they've done to themselves
>>274997054This is option two.
>>274997077do you like men?are you a homosexual?
>>274997096So according to you, yuri manga where the girls reject guys or have supportive males in their life aren’t for trannies?
>>274997117is this what that's about?you looking at your disgusting freak body in a miror and not getting an erection?again, don't project your subhuman issues onto the rest of us
>>274997054>The guys can’t fuck the girls by nature of it being a yuri manga, so the only two options left are for the girls to reject guys or for the guys to never become romantically involved.Option #3: the boys get other girlfriends who aren't part of the yuri couple.Option #4: the boys get cute boyfriends!
>>274997326>option #3: the boys get other girlfriends who aren't part of the yuri coupleSo their reactions with the girls are similar to >>274997107 or they don’t even know about the yuri going on? That’s the ideal scenario for you?
>>274997213slightly less so than the alternative, yesthe trannoid is nothing if not self-hating
>>274997304Do you not think it weird that you came up with a fictional backstory for me based on a total of just 18 words?
>>274988601This. But actual lesbians hate men because due to childhood trauma which is why they dress and act like the men that raped them as kids
>>274997370So the all-girl yuri series like MahoAko where no men exist whatsoever are for the biggest trannies of them all?
>>274997054Or the guys are there solely to cause drama. There could be a misunderstanding. Or for some girl in the cast to realize eventually that he's a jerk.
>>274998501Right, so the three options are he is either supportive of, an obstacle to, or has no effect on the yuri relationship. If he has no effect, he might as well not exist, so aren’t you agreeing with the position that yuri shouldn’t have men?
>>274997450yes
>>274988132Then stop reading this and fuck off
>>274988132Bi cis girl here. The guy is cute, go fuck yourself
>>275001575He’s a middle aged man. I wouldn’t describe him as cute.
>>274997326>>274997359This still does not give them a role in the story, if they are just going to be background characters they may as well not exist, even in OP manga they show up every 15 chapters or so.>>274998501>>274999313It's what Citrus does, but even so the guys are still utterly irrelevant, unless it's some adventure/action series you will struggle to find a place for them.
>>275002871The question isn’t for yurifags like you, it’s for non-yurifags.
>>274988363kek got his ass
>>275003276My answer is a question for itself, unless you can give a role for them, then the complaint guys are not showing up is bullshit.
>>275003854The distinction between a main role and background character is subjective. Every character other than the MCs could be removed from the story as well, does that mean the ideal romance story only has two characters and no background characters?
>>275004284Depends the story, some are pretty much just 2 protagonists and everything else is noise. It's easy for female characters to have the role of side couples or friends, not so much for male characters, usually they are either family or childhood friends, otherwise you end like Bloom into you with the author forcing some weird role of in series spectator for the guy.
>>275004807>it’s easy for female characters to have the role of side couples or friendsThere’s no reason they can’t be male. Fiction is under no obligation to be realistic.
>>275005494>Fiction is under no obligation to be realistic.autists grew up with youtubers insisting that media is bad if it isn't
>>274988132>moidback to r9k
>>275005494There are male friends in yuri, but just as there is no reason why they couldn't be male, there is no reason for them not to be female, as there are more options avaliable for those characters.Like I said, it's hard to have a male character with urgency in a yuri story where his role isn't just to be guy getting cucked by a girl.
>>275005974>just as there is no reason why they couldn't be male, there is no reason for them not to be femaleI agree in a narrative sense (and even prefer stories with more girls) but clearly, despite all the arguments we make, there is a large portion of non-yurifags who are turned off of yuri stories consisting of only girls as evidenced by this thread. Authors are free to do what they want, but it seems that if you want your yuri manga to reach a non-yuri audience, adding then adding male characters is one way to do that.
>>275006809An easier way to reach a non yuri audience is just to not write or draw yuri at all, you can't appeal to everyone, it's a fool's errand, even the manga from OP would be called ugly if not retarded shit like woke by the same people you are using as evidence from this thread.
>>275007147>you can't appeal to everyoneDoes adding male characters in even cursory roles somehow not appeal to yurifags?
>>275007268I don't think it really matters for 99% of them, same way I doubt 99% of non yuri readers would care if there are male characters in positions like this.
>>275007637>I doubt 99% of non yuri readers would care if there are male characters in positions like thisThe replies to this thread make it seem otherwise. Not to mention that all-girl works have traditionally been not as popular as more mixed-gender or even all-guy works.
>>275007963Of course it does, like I told you, this is the same audience who will shit on OP for frivolous reasons regardless of how many guys it has, unless the guy is the protagonist and the girls are actually in love with him.>Not to mention that all-girl works have traditionally been not as popular as more mixed-gender or even all-guy worksYes of course, yuri isn't a niche market without reason, but people are not buying romcoms because it's gender mixed or yaoi because it's all guys (which isn't even the case most of the time).
>>275008129The most popular series out there are battle shounen. So why aren't popular all-female battle shounen a thing if everything is equal and most audiences have no preferences towards the sex distribution of casts?>this is the same audience who will shit on OP for frivolous reasons regardless of how many guys it hasBut it's not just this audience. Even normalfags are weirded out by yuri not having guys.
>>275008433I'm not saying everything is equal anon, the very opposite actually, I am saying it's not the gender distribution itself but what it's doing with it, you are not going to get people who like romcoms if the girls on the cast don't like the guy, you are not going to get people into battle shonen without fighting, you are not going to get those audiences to like yuri because you added male to the cast.>But it's not just this audience. Even normalfags are weirded out by yuri not having guys.I'm sure there are all types of people, just like there must be normies who don't like battle shonen where the protagonists scream the name of the attacks, but in the end of the day most "normies" don't like yuri to begin with and the % of those who like yuri but would be "weirded out" by the lack of male presence are likely to be to small to account.
>>275008643If people like the tropes commonly associated with battle shounen, then why wouldn't they like those same tropes if they were used in an all-female cast? Shouldn't there be at least one or two popular all-female battle shounen if it had no affect whatsoever?>the end of the day most "normies" don't like yuri to beginMaybe one of the reasons normalfags and other audiences don't like yuri is precisely because it features all-girl casts.
>>274988408my sister doesn't h8 me
>>275008822Because men and women are not written in the same way even if they follow the same tropes and neither people can relate to men and women in the same way, just like yuri is just not heterosexual romance with a gender swapped character.>Maybe one of the reasons normalfags and other audiences don't like yuri is precisely because it features all-girl casts.I very much doubt that, it's either homosexuality or female protagonism
>>275009390Lots of popular series have female protagonists, so clearly its not that. But if all of these different kinds of people (from the yuri-haters, normalfags, and progressive types) are expressing apprehension towards the idea of an all-female cast, why would the people who would be willing to tolerate homosexuality be any different from this seemingly common opinion? We're specifically talking about the audience that would buy yuri but don't for whatever reason.
>>275009722>Lots of popular series have female protagonistsCorrect, but the large amount of shonen with male protagonists indicate publishers don't believe this applies to their whole audience.Because most people won't look beyond the premise, you can make a thread and ask yourself why people won't read yaoi and most of them will say they don't like or want to see fags, no amount of girls in the cast will change this
>>275009967We're not talking about the audience that will never read yuri. We're talking about the audience that might read some yuri if done right but doesn't.
>>275010107Like I said before, there all types of people who reject things for all types of reasons and I very much doubt the amount of people who would tolerate homosexuality and are worried about male representation are relevant enough to warranty a discussion, as I also said from a publisher point of view you may as well just remove yuri altogether if you are going to pander to groups like this.
>>275010722People often get hung up on a lot of superficial things, even if they're retarded. Being okay with lesbians doesn't mean you would be on-board with an all-female cast. A lot of people are already against all-female casts, regardless of if the girls are straight or gay.
>>275011186I'm not arguing those people don't exist, just that they are not worth the trouble, at some point you just start asking if it's just not better to make something else that better panders to those groups.Most yuri series getting animated already have male characters though at different degrees, Wataoshi, Tenten, Hikikomari and management of alchemist had males showing up almost every episode, Watayuri had recurring males giving commentary, Sasakoi and Hoshikuzu had background males, Vtuber legend has guys as the spectators, only Mahoako really had zero male presence.
>>274988132All lesbians should be killed.
Alternative ships don't degrade the characters imo
>>274997417source?
>>275011596We're not just talking about background males, but recurring guy characters with names and faces and interactions with the MCs.
>>275011853Still, we already had lots of yuri anime with those in the last 2 years, Watayuri guys don't have names but are recurring characters.
>>275012015And the one that had the most, TenTen, was the most popular among the normalfag-type crowd.
>>274988408Lesbians exist because their too scared of men to form proper connections.But in the case of yurifags(the actual audience of yuri content) their self hatred and inability to find a reality inwhich men can be loved has led them down a deep dark pit of despair concluding that the 1 thing that gives them joy(cute girls) should be the only thing to exist and believe their life would be perfect if they were a girl, it is truly a sad sad state of affairs for these men. also there's rare types of fujo who basically have the same issue except you know their a girl and their obsession is cute fictional boys, also very sad specimensIn short they need to have sex and learn to accept and love themselves
>>275012301>cute girls should be the only thing to existLots of yuri series and series that are popular with yurifags have male characters in them though.
>>274988363fpbp
>>275012152No, Tenten only had the father, the brother and Euphie father as relevant male characters, besides a few minor ones, it does not compare with Wataoshi which had 3 princes interacting with the girls, and even being a love interest for Claire in every episode, though one of the princes is actually a girl with a male curse, but this isn't revealed in the anime, while Hikikomari has several more male characters than both. Alchemist had male characters showing up regularly but wouldn't call them relevant.Even so all of those 3 are minor series with sales that are not comparable to Sasakoi or Watayuri, they didn't really gather a notable bigger audience with the anime, while Mahoako which features no guys at all was far more popular than all of those, though if your metric are "normalfags" it likely don't apply to Mahoako.
>>275012864The male characters in Hikikomari aren't relevant because they never have two-way interactions with the girls. And while it's true that WataOshi did have an equal number of relevant male characters, it also has elements that turned off a good portion of the yuri audience (hence why it sells half as less). >3 are minor series with sales that are not comparable to Sasakoi or WatayuriTenTen has a million copies in circulation, just like Sasakoi and Watayuri. If their source material sales are all roughly equal, then having a more popular anime would mean it's slightly more popular than either of those two. And in terms of manga sales, MahoAko is also doing around a million as well.
>>274997415
The best Yuri is where the Top makes the bottom fuck men because it is amusing.
>>275013470This applies more to people who believe that male/female friendship doesn't exist.
>>275013251>The male characters in Hikikomari aren't relevant because they never have two-way interactions with the girlsThey are relevant character to the overall plot, especially the villains, you have to remember this isn't a romance and interaction with the girls isn't really the most important factor.>TenTen has a million copies in circulation, just like Sasakoi and Watayuri. If their source material sales are all roughly equal, then having a more popular anime would mean it's slightly more popular than either of those two. And in terms of manga sales, MahoAko is also doing around a million as well.Tenten Sales includes the LN number.
>>275013656Do you really want us to bring up what happened with the LGD discord again? Don't humiliate yourself like this, it was proven without doubt who are the users into this stuff from this site
>>275013808What the fuck are you talking about? LGD?
>>275013927NTA but on /h/ they have the lesbian getting dicked thread, which turned into a big laughing stock because people took a look at the discord they made and turns out it was close to 100% trannies.
>>275013957>Trannies are insaneColor me surprised and call me nigger.
>>275013777>Tenten Sales includes the LN number.The majority of those are probably from the LN, but it's still in the same ballpark. But regardless of whether it's more popular than Watayuri/Sasakoi or not, the yuri series that do sell more than either of those (Citrus, YagaKimi, Dragon Maid, TsukeTabe, and Green Manga) do have male characters like that in them. And they sell almost 50% more than all of them.
>>275014020Well, in this case it's more about the also unsuprising revelation that wanting to see lesbians getting fucked by guys is just a tranny fetish.
>>274988132Homosexuality is a mental illness, but even dykes have moments of clarity when they're sexually attracted to men. Studies have been done showing that 79% of dykes have had sex with men.
>>274988132I honestly don't understand why yurifags are so disgusted by male characters to the point where they don't want to see a single pixel of them. It used to be something like that in yaoi, the female character, if there was one, was relegated to the role of a seductive bitch that stood between the two men, but that trend has basically moved away from that and in most cases the female characters are just fujos that serve as self-inserts and comic relief. The interesting thing is that it seems that the fujos feel more secure with their own gender than the yurifags do.
>>275014524>why yurifags are so disgusted by male characters to the point where they don't want to see a single pixel of themYet the manga OP posted is one of the most popular yuri manga despite the guys he's complaining about. It's a minority opinion that gets overblown.
>>275013730Male/female friendships don't exist because very few females are capable of loyalty, honour, integrity, and accountability.
>>275014311Of course there are series more popular, see Yuru Yuri for example, it's just not more popular than Dragon Maid, which had the big contribution of having a high production budget by one of the most valued studios at the time, which none of the other series had.To note that Yuru Hime didn't want the author to originally continue with Citrus+ because sales weren't that great on japan, but they picked up internationally which is why the number is so big.As for content, TsukeTabe has exactly one page featuring faceless guys in volume 1, hardly what I would call pandering to that audience, even if later volumes change this, people start reading from the start after all, Dragon Maid is very much not "normalfag" friendly and is very otaku core even explictly pandering to fetishes like loli and shota, while the portrayal of the male characters in YagaKimi has always been a point of contention because of the self inserting nature, one of them literally is a parallel with the audience who likes to watch yuri couples, hardly something relatable.Green manga is ironically the one who best portray male characters between those, even if their portrayal is not much better than Bocchi's father showing up every now and then, compared to Tenten or Wataoshi they are just irrelevant, but again this brings up what I said previously, it's much easier to find roles for male characters outside of romance or CGDCT series.
>>275014616Nah, it's because guys will try to fuck them at first opportunity they believe they have.
>>275014644>TsukeTabe has exactly one page featuring faceless guys in volume 1More like one page worth of guys to be fair
Lesbians aren't real
>>275014711To be fair, to you women may as well not be real, straight or homosexual, because you will never leave your room and interact with them
>>274988408Deep down their reproductive instincts are stronger than their mental illness.
>>275014772>Says man who will die alone while lesbians have dozens of partners
>>275014733Cope more, tranny. Even dykes yearn for cock, and I mean real cock, not the plastic strap-on dildos they use to fuck other dykes.>>275014683And females know about that, yet they still keep a couple of simp orbiters to get free stuff from, or to fuck the moment they break up with their boyfriends.
>>274988132you read yuri to get mad at it
>>275014644Yuru Yuri isn't popular because of the yuri, which has become less of a focus as the series has gone on.>because sales weren't that great on japanEven in Japan, it still sells more than WataYuri and Sasakoi.>TsukeTabe has exactly one page featuring faceless guys in volume 1The second chapter is all about a dinner interaction with a male cook.>the male characters in YagaKimi has always been a point of contention because of the self inserting natureThis is unironically only a y/u/rif/a/g talking point. Everywhere else on the internet almost never brings it up (and even gives him a pass because they see him as having a meme sexuality).Like you can continue to stick your head in the sand and think that the normalfag audience doesn't have a problem with all-female casts, and think it's only weirdo yuri haters who do, yet even the fujo above your post seems to think this a weird yuri-related thing. And you don't care, being more interested in picking fights with yuri haters over dumb shit.
>>274988132Man it's easy to see that at least half the yuri fans are just self hating men, kinda sad really.
>>275015267>at least half the yuri fans are just self hating menYet that's one of the most popular yuri manga and it has multiple guys (including one who flirted with the girls and a heterosexual side couple.
>>275015123>Yuru Yuri isn't popular because of the yuri, which has become less of a focus as the series has gone on.I am not sure what you mean by yuri here, YY is not a romance series, but the girls never stopped liking each other, in different degrees of course, though I am not sure I would say current Green manga or Dragon Maid are more yuri.>Even in Japan, it still sells more than WataYuri and Sasakoi.To be honest I am unsure now, would have to see the data to confirm.>The second chapter is all about a dinner interaction with a male cook.Hardly what I would call a relevant male character anon, volume 1 has unironically less interactions with males than a lot of all girl cast kirara series.>This is unironically only a y/u/rif/a/g talking point. Everywhere else on the internet almost never brings it up (and even gives him a pass because they see him as having a meme sexuality).You just touched upon how he is in fact a point of contention if people literally have to headcanon an explanation for his fetish.>Like you can continue to stick your head in the sand and think that the normalfag audience doesn't have a problem with all-female casts, and think it's only weirdo yuri haters who do, yet even the fujo above your post seems to think this a weird yuri-related thing. And you don't care, being more interested in picking fights with yuri haters over dumb shit.Anon, you can say whatever you want, but the industry is not going to change because I already pointed out the obvious flaw of the narrative you are pushing, if they need to pander to non yuri audiences, they are just going to remove the yuri and aim for bigger audiences, it's the logical way to conduct a business.
>>275015425Citrus' international sales in 2022 were 1.1 million copies, while it's total sales were 3 million copies, so Japan's sales were roughly about 1.9>https://x.com/ichijinsha_R/status/1483667968848719873>https://x.com/ichijinsha_info/status/1593076962280411136>a point of contention>https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/6616-bloom-into-you-discussion?page=24>Maki is a true yuri danshi.>Ohh I understand Maki very much>He's pretty much one of us>I didn't think there would be a character I would actually relate so closely to her>glad to see more people instantly thought of maki as a yuri danshi, like me ^o^>WE HAVE A YURI-FANBOY RIGHT THERE>yes my boy Maki-kun>Am I Maki?>I'm in love with Maki too. (?)>I quite like Maki>I approve of Maki>I like Maki... >Maki-kun, I feel ya>Maki is just a shipper like the rest of usThere are 3 people who call him creepy and then many more people rush to defend him with posts like:>Maki isn't creepy>Maki is not creepy at all>I don't see how Maki is creepyIt's pretty obvious that the sentiment is far more positive for him than negative.
every day of his life seething about yuri
>>275015886It's good to see sales picked up in japan, though it's just a little above Sasakoi with around 125k for each volume. I don't think dynasty is a good metric anon, it's the same community who pressured for Yakiko's manga to be removed because they made a headcanon about how a male character in dress was portrayed, of course they are going to support the freak with a fetish.
>>275016106I also wanted to point ask how many all-girl Kirara manga can you name where one of the girls spends an entire chapter interacting with a guy? It's also relevant because the conversations they have with guys are relatable to their female audience. >it's just a little above Sasakoi1.9 million divided by 13 is about 136k, which is pretty close to the 50% increase I said.>I don't think dynasty is a good metric anon>https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1747901&show=0While the opinion on MAL is more mixed, but more of the focus seems to be on how he might do something later on to interfere with the relationship.
>>275016434>I also wanted to point ask how many all-girl Kirara manga can you name where one of the girls spends an entire chapter interacting with a guy? It's also relevant because the conversations they have with guys are relatable to their female audience. Do you mean aside from family? Because there are a lot of those. I will count the ones that finished too. Magic of Stella, Sasha Sanyou, Machikado have male characters, Slow Start had the chapter with the guy who likes Eiko (and she just ignored him), Slow Loop has the chapters where they play with boys for the whole chapter (and it's still one of the gayest of the series), Koisuro Asteroid they interact with male tutors from time to time (though this ended last year), RPG Real State they would interact with guys too, Tsumugu Otome not only they interacted with guys, but after MC had sex with the girl she loved she was forced back into the future and the girl ended in a forced marriage with a guy and MC meets her grandaughter in the end of the series, A Channel was infamous for having a creepy guy, Wakarasero! would have the fox constantly teasing guys, Momoiro Montage didn't have them interacting with guys but basically watching guys for a whole chapter so MC could explain why she prefered girls.Citrus has 16 volumes not 13.>While the opinion on MAL is more mixed, but more of the focus seems to be on how he might do something later on to interfere with the relationship.Which is an obvious concern as this would be a big no no even if he would be trying to help.
>>275016966I specifically asked for a chapter where a single girl interacts with a guy for most of it. Your Slow Start and Slow Loop examples are examples of pairs of girls interacting with guy(s). They also happen long after the 2nd chapter.>Citrus has 16 volumes not 13.When that volume came out, it had 14 volumes out, not 16 (and 1.9m divided by 14 is 136k)>this would be a big no no even if he would be trying to helpPeople seem to be under the impression that all guys do in yuri manga is interfere in the relationship. It's almost like they want good or relatable male characters to show up in yuri manga instead.
>>275012301>Lesbians exist because their too scared of men to form proper connections.Nope, it's because they just don't have attraction to m*les.
>>275017340>I specifically asked for a chapter where a single girl interacts with a guy for most of it. This is too specific for a magazine that is literally dedicated to having multiple girls as the focus of the stories, though since Kirara usually does family themes it definitely happened in stories like Gochiusa, not even counting when the voice author of Tippy died and the author made a chapter dedicated to saying goodbye to him in the manga too.>When that volume came out, it had 14 volumes out, not 16 (and 1.9m divided by 14 is 136k)Makes sense then, it's a pity the author never got interested in following a monthly schedule, otherwise it would probably have far bigger numbers.>People seem to be under the impression that all guys do in yuri manga is interfere in the relationship. It's almost like they want good or relatable male characters to show up in yuri manga instead.I said this to you, people don't really have issues with guys in yuri manga, but authors struggle to justify their presence, it doesn't help we have yuri manga with male protagonists where the focus of the manga is him helping the girls get together, sometimes acting like a stalker or just meddling too much, not even counting as yuri one manga where the guy has some invisible gimmick and he accidentally watches the girls naked and keeps bumping into them. And of course shoujo/josei having a terrible story with yuri where even a male childhood friend will suddenly turn into a rapist and try to force his dick inside MC only to realize the girl who he was friends for his whole life and is crying while screaming as she is terrified of what is happening may not really be into him.
>>275017361You can't say this anon, what about his ego? Not that he will ever have sex, but another man who he idolizes in totally not homosexual way might.
>>275012301>Lesbians exist because their too scared of men to form proper connections.It's 2025, do you cheese-smelling creeps unironically believe this? You don't interact with normalfags at all?
>>275017952They don't leave their rooms anon, they stopped interacting with women in the 90s.
>>275017638You can extend to most CGDCT titles outside of Kirara and the answer remains the same. All you're saying is that the cooking manga (and green manga with the first uncle POV chapter) set themselves apart from most CGDCT manga in the first few chapters and not a few volumes down the road.>people don't really have issues with guys in yuri mangaGuys in yuri manga can have issues, but what I'm saying is that the lack of guys is probably hurting yuri manga more than helping it.
>>274997107Never beating the cuck allegations
>>275018349How is he getting NTR'd? He's not in love with either of them. Do you not support your friends in their romantic relationships?
>>274997107lmao that's the so-called yuri magnum opus or holy grail of yuri? Are normalfags delusional or something?
>>275018402He's a side character that probably gets two chapters of focus.
yuri won
>>2750184442 chapters in a 40 something chapter manga is quite a lot for if he serves no purpose.
>>2750184932/50 is about 4%, so still not a lot. And his purpose was to be a self-insert for certain members of the non-yuri audience.
>>275017976You can't have CGDCT without CGDCT after all, though I honestly think you are overestimating how people would react to what could barely count as two people interacting, TsukiTake is mostly honest just wish fulfillment fantasy over a fat tomboy that probably would be prince like if wasn't for all that mass with some tones of drama that mostly builds up in the background.You could make this assumption about several things about yuri (or anything else), including you could even argue explicit relationships in yuri are ultimately harmful by just looking at sales data, like I said when it reaches the point you are asking how to reach outside of your audience, you are likely going to just be told to work outside of the premise of a yuri series, not to say there isn't a market for mixed ensemble casts with yuri developments, but I very much doubt most people would consider it to be a yuri series, Dragon Maid already stretch this idea by making a clear distinction of who the protagonists are and who they are not, but again like I said, it's not a romance series, it's easier to find roles for the guys.
>>275018540No, he was blatant meant to be a self insert for the male yuri audience, his whole gimmick is a parallel with them after all he watches couples without meddling. Likely because Dengeki Daioh had no experience with yuri and has mostly male demograpgics, so the editor most likely thought it would a popular character, which he wasn't, much like manga following this premise with male characters are also not popular with the yuri audience, even Kadokawa made the mistake of selling a het romcom about watching yuri couples promoted as a yuri manga just to immediately axe it after the backlash.
>>275008129How can yuri be niche when it's the straight man's favourite genre?
>>275018865>you could make this assumption about several things about yuriLack of male characters isn't the only thing I think is holding yuri back. Marketing, artstyle, romantic development speed, and overall tone are big contributing factors as well. All of these things work together to get people aware of and stick with a series.
>>275019118Boys will always be biased for male protagonists, it's all. Now you could argue if yuri is supposed to be so niche and if the industry isn't just falling in circular logic where yuri never sells so it never gets big budgets and yuri never gets big budgets and so it never sells.The Killer Bride Hero author recently said he originally wanted to write a yuri LN but they told him it wasn't going to sell and it would never win awards and so he made his story up to interpretation, well as he said himself a few years later now there are a lot of good selling yuri LNs which have won awards.
>>275019167Go on.
Wasn't a yuri work by the Otherside Picnic author originally a het romance that was partially genderswapped?
>1 day old bait thread>the time in between replies to >>274988408do anti-yuri schizos have nothing better to do than make and bump bait for the whole day
>>275014644>uru Hime didn't want the author to originally continue with Citrus+ because sales weren't that great on japan, but they picked up internationally which is why the number is so big.White people were a massive fucking mistake, god dammit
>>275019167Anon you could pick all those elements and either add or remove from them and you likely will get similar results, you could have more moeish artstyles and try to grab more readers used with those, you could have more shoujoish artstyles and grab more readers with those, but there is no guarantee you will still keep the audience you have by going in either direction.Yuri is like every other genre a cultural response adapted to a money making industry, the suggestions you have in mind probably would take you for a vision of yuri you would enjoy more, but there is no reason to believe it would have more costumers than it would have nowadays, yuri isn't monolithic, different publishers are experimenting with different things in different places which have different circumstances and having different results.>>275019254Kinda, the work in question originally had male MC watching parallel universes and in one of those universes he was replaced by a girl, recently the author made a new version of the manga but actually told the story from the universe where the girl MC existed and she instead looked at the male MC universe.
>>275019367You should not worry, tho, >>>/a/ told me that international sales never matter.
>>275019496I mean, it depends, the publisher already got paid the licensing fee, so from their point of view it doesn't really matter as much unless they can sell merch to western audiences, though the author still get paid royalties for each sale, so of course if the author is making money they are better motivated and better off working on the series
>>275019403>a vision of yuri you would enjoy morePlease stop this. My favourite type of yuri is sickeningly cute, fast-paced, all-gay girl, yuri yuri. This isn't some secret plan to make the "perfect" yuri series I could talk about with all the normalfags. It's an honest attempt to understand why yuri doesn't succeed among them and I'm not going to pretend that the things I like in yuri are secretly popular if they were just framed right.And publishers aren't experimenting, they're appealing more to what hardcore yurifags want, which is good.
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>>275019717cute toriko
Yuri is niche because romance is generally niche, or at least not popular with cishet guys.
>>275019777this is why we need more yuri romance as sideplot stories
>>275019918Do you have any popular example of that?
>>275019777>romance is generally nichewowzers what?
>>275019918Absolutely, this might have been one of the main catalysts that got me into yuri.
>>275019943>>275019950
>>275019946Yes.https://www.gq.co.za/culture/entertainment/deadpool-is-really-a-romantic-comedy-16565143
>>275019777>romance is generally nicheThat's what I was referring to when I brought up "romantic development speed". Things with romance trappings like harems and romcoms can be popular, but only because they're as slow as molasses. Although I guess the occasional shoujo romance can do well.
>>275019717Makes no difference anon, you just made in your head assumptions and directions that are all part of the same bias but ultimately will likely not change the market very much outside of replacing few consumers of a niche industry for other few consumers of a niche industry, yuri hime audience is not the same as the kirara audience which is not the same as the dengeki audience or the cune audience, or shoujo/josei audience or random seinen magazine audiences or web audiences, most of those don't ever used the word yuri to define those stories they publish, because they specifically are not trying to make people think they are only targeting a specific audience.Yuri Hime does not even have standard profile for works in the magazine, you have YY, you have Gardens of Geneha which is about two elementary schools meeting, sharing the secret one of them had an abortion of her rapist father and falling in love while trying to save one of them of their hellish life, high school NTR, pure erotica and then isekai, you are boiling everything down to the same exactly audience when the only factor they have in common is girls in love with each other.I will say again to you, what you are asking won't happen, they are just going to invest in non yuri series instead, or maybe the could make an ensemble cast, which would likely fall out of yuri definitions anyway.
>>275020018They are popular because to start with they are published in magazines with audiences 10 times bigger than magazines that publish yuri, have far more money to improve the quality of art and also are published either weekly or every two weeks.
Even with male/female romcoms, there's comedy to entice people to give the series a shot.
>>275019270Struck a nerve,huh?
>>275020102There is plenty of evidence that all-girl series and moe art styles are disliked a lot of people outside of very specific audiences.>most of those don't ever used the word yuri to define those stories they publish, because they specifically are not trying to make people think they are only targeting a specific audienceYou're so close. If people aren't interested in series they think don't appeal to them, they're not going to be interested in yuri series that look like they won't appeal to them either. If a yuri tag turns people off of lesbian romance, so would looking like yuri.And nothing we say here matters. If I wanted to convince the nips to do something, I would be at least posting in Japanese.
>>275020447Anon, there isn't a single artwork style that isn't disliked a lot, if anything shoujo/josei artstyles (which by the way isn't a single one but a range of different styles) have far more detractors and not only from the male demographic.Yuri tag is mostly associated with romance stories, so most publishers avoid using it if their stories are not 1:1 yuri romances, moon and a rainy night for example just avoids it, at most Kuzushiro will talk on twitter about it or at least respost yuri navi promotions.
>>275020736I'm not saying yuri has to adopt a more shoujo artstyle either. A more bishoujo style would probably do better than moe.
>>275020934I am just saying there is no direction you can take that won't have good and bad consequences, kirara for example will likely not work with a style change after decades doing the same thing, they would rather just drop yuri if this is the case, but could work better for seinen magazines to go less moe.
>>275021130>kirara for example will likely not work with a style change after decades doing the same thingYet Semi-Friend is popular and its artstyle is definitely more bishoujo than moe.
>>275021150Nah it's the Vtuber artstyle. A combination of both?
>>275021186Call it whatever you want, it's less certainly less moe than their other titles.
>>275021150It just has a little more realistic proportions with the characters looking more likes JKs than JCs, it's still very moe (not surprising since this isn't Chigusa first work for kirara), closer to bishoujo would be something like Citrus that has just a little bit of moe.
>>275021226Chigusa also makes art for heterosexual LNs, so it's definitely an artstyle that appeals to the bishoujo crowd.
