What's up Bakumen and Bakuwomen, todayChapter 64:Last Thread (Chapters 62-63)>>274941603
Chapter 64: Just So and Secret
Another man moment from Takagi
Run Takagi over with a truck and dump the body in the gorilla enclosure.
>>275001533the fucking yaoi hands
>>275001966Holy fucking manipulation, Yoshida.
>>275001643>I'm waiting for her to call and apologize to me.Bros, Takagi may be dumber than we thought.........................
>>275002030Than you thought, my expectations of him are low enough to be surprised if he salvages anything at all.
>>275002030I want to believe that he's referring to Aoki, for some godforsaken reason
>>275001533yaoiSTACIES
???
>>275002186This storyline is giving me a headache from facepalming at this rate.
>>275002155So what happened to the whole 'doing no research so i know i'm not plagiarizing' bit
>>275002226FUCK TAKAGI AND JUST CLEAR IT UP FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU IDIOTS.
>>275002226holy fucking shit Takagi
Kinda based ngl
>>275002306How the fuck is Azuki ending up the most reasonable person in this.
And that's it, Guillotine Gorilla for this motherfucker, what do you say?See you tomorrow
>>275001440>True Human don't fartah, they're idols.
>>275002337>holds onto found out info to use as a weapon when you won't tell her something that isn't your place to tellyea sure
>>275002186>I don't really see why I have to explain myselfTakagicoin down the fucking GUTTER
>>275001533What a weak pantyshot.
>>275002477it might legitimately be the worst I've ever seen, I know she's supposed to be bad at them but DAMN
>>275001696>copies the autistic messaging love story>self-inserts fucking NAKAI as her love interestFucking hell.
>>275001533way too shojo to ever make it in Jump
>>275001727Mohawk continues to be a surprisingly based side character
>>275001816>tournament arc>immediately flopsBeginner mistake.
>>275002009Miura wishes he could do this to his rookie prodigies.
>>275001533>only white panties no varietyDead on arrival.>first chapter somehow speedruns 3 couples getting togetherNo way this isn't a pacing disaster.
>>275002116>Aida is a big fan of gag manga tooHe better not go starting a gag bowl of some sort.
>>275002116> aida is responsible for rebornshould have fired this hack long ago
>>275002435Eh, I don't think Azuki intended to use the info as a weapon. Most likely it was a "he'll tell me when he's ready" kind of thought process. She got frustrated here, and having to support Kaya emotionally for months due to no fault of her own would do that to everyone.
Quick reminder that Takagi hasn't spoken to Miyoshi in over a month by this point.
>>275002435>found out info to use as a weapon when you won't tell her something that isn't your place to tellRecognizing that your partner has a pattern of hiding "inconvenient" information that might just upset her isn't withholding info to use as a weapon, it's recognizing a potential trait. She's bringing it up now to discern WHY he's hiding this secret, to see if he is trustworthy. She's also taking Miyoshi's side firmly as a great friend.
>>275002306Those messages always showed Azuki's true colors. She can be one scary lady.
>>275001643>I told my gf that my female coworker is not only smart and gorgeous, but that I also feel a connection with herThe patience Miyoshi must have, how the fuck is this retard not dead?
>>275003655Shonen Jump work ethic again! Draw manga until you're hospitalized! Write manga without talking to your girlfriend for a month!
>>275003655When you hang out every day with a guy who refuses to look at his girlfriend until he gets an anime maybe that starts feeling normal.
>>275001440I thought it was supposed to be dark and serious, not a gag manga
>>275001533>yaoi hands AND boring panty shotsAoki really should just go back to shoujo.
>>275002361Thank you OP!
>>275001916>>275001966 This is still one of my favorite running gags that Yoshida never shows his face whenever he's with Hiramaru.
>>275001816Kiyoshibros, are we gonna get axed?
>>275002030Takagi is a narcissistic douche.
>>275002967Remember it's a one-shot, not an actual debut chapter. Still, cramming 3 couples into a single one-shot seems like a questionable choice unless the point of the manga is rapid-fire short romance stories.
>>275009038He's absolutely too autistic for his own good.>I didn't do anything wrong so I shouldn't have to put work into thisIf you won't even put in the effort to correct a misunderstanding with someone when they're clearly upset about it, you don't deserve anything from them. If you actually give a shit about the relationship, the lack of communication should bother you to the point of initiating, but the complete lack of contact just shows Miyoshi how disposable she was to him and exacerbates everything. Refusing to clear things up despite knowing there's a misunderstanding because she should just "trust him or not" as if his actions have inspired trust when dude won't even shoot her a text once a day. Fuck Takagi.
>>275001696>middle-aged ugly bastard hooking up with one of his studentsAoki, what the fuck are you writing?
>>275009252What's wrong? That's normal in manga.
>>275001643>"I'm waiting for her to call and apologize to me">>275002186>"It's a misunderstanding">"I don't really see why I have to explain myself">>275002226>they don't just explain that neither of them new about the letterjesus fucking christ
>>275001533her art sucks
>>275009688Yeah, it's rookie shoujo tier
>>275001696she gives in to Nakai? Is she a dumb slut?
>>275001440Wow this manga is literally me.>>275001785Nakai continuing his downward spiral. It's unfortunate since he has the skills and had the fire to aim higher before.>>275002306Rare Azuki win.
>>275001785yea she's totally into him too
>>275001785>pissed off that Nakai blames his editor>>275001816>blames his assistant
>>275002155>>275002186>>275002226I want to mention again what great panel composition and art this manga has.We see them nothing but talking, yet it never gets monotonous.
>>275001966me in the bottom right
>>275001966do we have a name for hiramaru faceless assistant? i only remember his tea preferences
>>275011666Yoshida. He's appeared with a normal face here >>274971346He's just the faceless agent in Hiramaru scenes like this to emphasize their dynamic.
>>275001966How come it's ok for Hiramaru to be flaky with his love for Aoki but not Nakai?
>>275011819Because he didn't get an arc about it yet
>>275001533Why is Aoki so autistic, just look at references online, I've seen better panty shots in dungeon meshi
>>275011739Assistant, not editor.
>>275001696>student ends up with 30 something gym teacherHow is this ok?
>>275002116Reborns miraculous pivot to battle shonen is so absurd, it was just pure dumb gag shit for 80 chapters, pulled a pretty sudden switch to serious battle shonen, used fujo power to pull it off until about like 400 chapters in total. Pure INSANITY. It's still popular to this day too, in Japan atleast.
>>275011819He's barely even met her. It would be weirder to be faithful.
>>275001533This concept has legs. Later on introduce a group of girls that are rebelling against the oppressive dress code by wearing non-plain white panties and they rope in the MC because he wants to spread the occurrence of a variety of sexy pantyshots. Plus the constantly asking out every girl he sees has great gag potential. It could work in the right hands.
>>275001727I want these guys to get more screentime. I love these dumb punks and i want to read a whole chapter at least of kiyoshi knight.
>>275002116It's also that eiji was playing to his strengths mangaka-wise from day one and ashirogi is still trying to figure it out so of course he's going to tower over them because he's only ever been doing what he's good at and getting better every day. Any word on crow's rankings around this time of the story?
>>275002030Even smart people can have retard blind spots>>275002337And sometimes unreasonable idiots can have an intelligent moment of clarity
>>275012373Reborn and Beelzebub are the only ones who pulled it off, idk why they act like it's a standard
>>275013085>i want to read a whole chapter at least of kiyoshi knightBakuman should really have just been an excuse to squeeze in a bunch of mini one shots. BB Kenchi's few pages were great and I wish we got to see more. It would have been much better to read more mini stories instead of this relationship drama shit.
>>275012105Oh, my bad, nah he's just a background guy.
>>275001533I find it funny because it's so aggressively straight>good morning fellow men! I too like women because I chose a school to look at panties!>did I mention the school has panty restrictions? And only for girls?
>>274942290Any person with such a limited scope of interest probably won't be able to make truly interesting stories
>>275001533Kinda reminds me of Naoshi Arakawa's art. Must be the lips
>>275001859>it could be a textbook for gag mangaThis is not a good thing.
>>275013497That's the one thing I was looking forward to. It's a shame that they never did that
>>275001859Eiji is alot less annoying in the manga compared to the anime. Maybe it's because he isn't always squawking and making autistic noises.
>>275014998why the fuck did she choose to go this route anyways?
>>275001440Hunter x Hunter
>>275017524No no, this makes complete sense.>Aoki is insecure about drawing panty shots and making them make sense diagetically>since she can't draw them well, the fewer details the better, so white panties only>short skirts also create more opportunities for panty shots>by making the school responsible for both, it keeps them diagetic and simple to draw>her interactions with Takagi learning that men always want to see panties informs the MC's choice of schoolThis is buttoned up, anon.
>>275017524She got told to maximize pantyshot density and I guess this is the best she came up with. I'm starting to think Aoki isn't a very good writer.
>>275017929All that thought put into it and it's still so dumb
>>275017943Aoki is probably a very good writer, she's just doing writing outside of her own experience and being led on by Yamahisa. In a way it's great, because Yamahisa can communicate with her and offer directions way better than Aida could. He's leveraged the ecchi stuff as a mandatory thing and the rest is her trying to make that make sense while also struggling to write narratives about romance when she herself is inexperienced. Making something feel natural is VERY difficult and something you're not good at grasping already will make that even harder.
>>275017524It's what she was told to do.She wanted to write a romance, and her editor said to write it in the most malebrained way possible.And this is what she came up with.
>>275001643>I'm waiting for her to call and apologize to me.Okay, I hate him.He was pissing me off before, but at least I could chalk it up to pure retardation.This is just him being an awful person.
>>275009365It's normal in shoujo because girls fantasize about being used by an older, dominant man.It's not normal in shonen because boys don't self-insert into middle-aged ugly bastards and feel cucked when one gets the cute girl.
>>275001785Nakai is just sad to watch.I can't even feel pity for him because his misfortune is all his fault.
>>275018704On the one hand: Shujin's only under the impression she knows he met with Iwase, not everything else Miyoshi has seen. Just seeing her.On every other hand:>you didn't consider there could be something more going on with her that would contribute to this behavior>not even circumstances about your own scenario that you could be unaware of, circumstances of HER scenario that you're completely unaware of. she has a life outside of you, doesn't she?>his understanding of her emotions is still on a parody level for not considering this overreaction incomprehensible>you didn't even fucking think for almost a month HOW she found out you interacted with Iwase for like 5 minutes>based on your limited interaction with Iwase does this level of distress make any sense? even if it doesn't, it doesn't concern you enough to try and make amends?>you thought she needed to apologize to you before you're willing to clear up the totally innocent stuff you've been doing and won't tell her about because of misinterpretations>DESPITE that not telling makes it look much more like an unforgivable transgression than an innocent misunderstanding>you don't even fucking check in on her even if you think you're in a fight/misunderstanding; even before you knew shit was wrong, you didn't talk to her for like 2 weeks until Mashiro pointed out her absence>your fucking gag manga oneshot somehow takes so much more precedence in WRITING that you never thought to spare a single call her way while waiting for a train or for your WcDonalds order to come outI know it's a cliche that side characters are more interesting than protagonists, but I've never seen a scenario I can think of where the protags are legit completely unlikable autists in standalone that make the side characters look godlike.
>>275018760Yeah but in shoujo with a teacher romance the guy is usually hot and don't act like nakai
>>275013466>Reborn and Beelzebub are the only ones who pulled it offDragonball???
>>275001643>I'm waiting for her to call and apologize to me.>>275002186>I don't really see why I have to explain myself.
>>275002226>Can I tell her about Miss Aoki?>No, you can't...WHY? THE? FUCK? NOT?>Yeah, I was meeting with Miss Aoki because we were helping each other write the opposite sex.>She goes to the same school as Iwase and that's how we ran into each other.>I had no idea Iwase left me a note in the book. I didn't read it because it didn't interest me.HOW HARD IS IT TO JUST BE FUCKING HONEST?DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE NARRATIVE YOU'RE SPINNING BY HIDING SHIT IS WAAAAAY WORSE THAN IT WOULD LOOK IF YOU JUST TOLD THE TRUTH?!
>>275013466Kinnikuman, they even brought it up in Bakuman
>>275019086Dragonball didn't dip in popularity, as far as I recall. It transitioned from a comedic series with martial arts focus to more battle focus and steadily got more serious.
>>275019341>nah babe I wasn't cheating on you, I just ran into Iwase while I was at the zoo on a date with a fellow writer after telling you I couldn't take you to the zooHe's savvy enough to realize this is how it would come across but not savvy enough to come up with any fucking way to explain himself at all and just hoped it would never come up and he'd never admit it.
>>275017929no I mean why even do teenage boy fapbait in the first place? She's such a stuck up prude, I thought she wanted to go back making Shojo shit.
>>275018641>I want to write a romance>No, do high school girl panty shots>o-okdumb bitch
>>275018760since when is it normal in shonen? Name one example
>>275019086Dragonball always had fighting elements, it wasn't ever just a gag manga
>>275020287They said it wasn't normal in shonen, anon.
>>275001727Their constantly give off "Hell yeah motherfucker!" vibes
>>275004572NTA Azuki is threatening him to break off trust relations with his best friend
>>275004572maybe she is the better girl after all
>>275019441that one is ancient though
>>275021174>threatening him to break off trust relations with his best friendHis best friend is refusing to explain the situation and claiming Miyoshi should just trust him with nothing to back up that declaration, and Mashiro lied to Miyoshi to cover for Takagi before. So either it's innocent, in which case there's no reason to hide it at all, or it's illicit and Mashiro is complicit. He has a pattern of hiding inconvenient/upsetting information, as she says. Takagi's being a fucking moron by not explaining himself or caring about Miyoshi, and Mashiro's an accomplice one way or the other. I wouldn't call that leveraging Mashiro to break trust relations with his friend, it's his girlfriend telling him that the trust between both couples is mutually at stake. She's cross-examining Mashiro's fucking standards. That's not a threat, that's forcing him to reckon with the reality of what he's standing up for.
>>275016414well, they did it once with Otters 11 (while it's true I always wondered what the actual story is like, me personally it's one of the manga I could cared least about)
>>275022768they did? I only remember the few panels where they ripped off Death Note with the truck driving into a building
>>275023085Yup, one time they did a special chapter that was entirely Otters 11. I wonder if it will appear in this daily thread. I think shonen jump did a contest asking the people which story should get drawn and they voted Otters 11.
>>275019517He actually now has evidence that he and Aoki were discussing manga, since Aoki ripped off their relationships for her manga.
>>275020206That's a pretty good question.She refused to compromise on Hideout Door, but she's now okay with 3 panty shots per chapter?
>>275001727>>275001859>>275002069The way Ohba everyone receives the news of Ashirogi trying a gag manga negatively, is really annoying.Artist to try out new stuff and even change their style, but the great mangaka collective has judged that idea as ludicrous.
>>275023900it's pretty realistic though, it happens in reallife all the time that when a actor/artist/writer/director does a work that is unlike their established style people will be skeptical and say he should go back to his original style. Sometimes they can pull it off and convince people he can do it, other times he can't
>>275023961But the criticism isn't whether or not they can pull it off, but that Ashirogi betrays their core values or some shit.
>>275020312Kinnikuman also always had fighting elements. As a vehicle for gags, just like Dragon Ball.With DB, the shift just came fairly quickly, and even when it was gags, it did hold a cohesive story... because it was a gag retelling of Journey to the West.
>>275024139no it isn't, you're interpreting things into the dialogue that isn't there. They say while they may be able to do a 8/10 gag manga, they should do serious story and make a 11/10 instead
>>275024186But that's my point.Everyone treats trying out a new style as something bad and not as an opportunity for them to grow.
>>275020206>>275023480Her editor knows how to talk her out of her comfort zone.Compliment her work, gives her encouragement, say this is the opportunity of a lifetime and she takes the bait.Maybe axing hideout door was also a good excuse for her to get rid of Nakai.
>>275024647Could also be that Hideout Door was a sort of a passion project, whereas this has been built to be like this all along.
>>275002021>No way fag!
>>275024515Growing would be doing a story of a tangential branch. Mystery manga to silly gags is a complete 180 and I'm not sure if Ashirogi and Trap fans would even be pleased by it.In a vacuum you can do anything, but really authors specialize in genre that hopefully they like, and that their readers want more of.
Ooof, this arc ends well but it is so frustrating. I guess it isn't unreasonably unreasonable, people do make stupid decisions with relationships, but oof, it really stretches my investment in characters I've been following when they're being such idiots.
>>275002226>then I can't explain anything to herYou just said you don't have any intentions to do that in the first placre.
>>275023900It makes sense. They established themselves doing a serious thriller story and now moved to gags. It would be like if crow ended and nizuma made a slice of life moe manga. It's so out of left field that everyone is skeptical and surprised.
>>275023173why the fuck would people vote for that instead of a manga by Eiji or the main characters?
>>275023900Remember, they threw the manuscript of their serious manga for manly man into the river because it didn't get first place, and tried to make shitty battle shonen after that.They had their chance, they threw it away so they could chase trends instead despite them sucking at writing battle shonen.
>>275028254Thats why everyone keeps saying their work is soulles
>>275028030>EijiWhat exactly is there about Crow, that would be interesting to read?
>>275028030Eiji's manga probably reads like a typical battle manga. Otters 11's very premise and look is absurd and unique to make people want to see what a typical chapter would look like.
>>275028030Trolling the authors because it'd be the funkiest one to do.
>>275028030In reallife, otters 11 was vastly more popular to the other manga. Of course that is all based on assumptions of what the manga are like.It's like how everyone in the story says Azuki is the dream girl, while everyone here would give her up over Miyoshi any day
bakubumper
>>275021367Never, Miyoshi will remain unchallenged forever
>>275029653to be fair Miyoshi shows up more which in return allows her to have a personality in comparison to Azuki.
>>275029653>It's like how everyone in the story says Azuki is the dream girl, while everyone here would give her up over Miyoshi any dayTo be fair, I imagine it's different in Japan because Japs have different preferences.
>>275032395of coursebut point being, that what an author think is popular(even if they go by statistics) doesn't necessarily reflect the masses actual opinion.
Whats up lads, todayChapter 65: Stubborn and Honest
What a pain
I'm getting a headache with this shit
>>275034221While I disagree with the hiding, his logic is sound. She says she trust him, even though she doesn't. She just likes to think of her as trusting him, as it makes the relationship sound more romantic, but in reality subconsciously she knows she doesn't know that guy at all and thus he needs to prove if he is innocent
>>275034403Jesus fucking christ
OH FUCK'S SAKE
>>275034273>first i'll stop exchanging ideas with aoki then tell miyoshi i'll never do it againbut whywhywhythis doesn't make any sense
>>275034561it's overcompensating because he is a retard in regards to relationships, but it does make sense
>>275034447I think Miho is actually really into the idea that they had their first fight.
>>275034561as dumb as this fighting is, I also had very stupid fights,logic and solutions at 18
IMMA KILL THIS FUCKER
>>275034664>takagi conveniently forgetting how bitchy Aoki initially was His penis' heart has taken over
>>275034664>engineers a stupid situation that hurts his girlfriend badly>doesn't talk to her for over a month>complains about how hard it is to talk to her nowWhat is wrong with this boy.
>>275034664Miyoshi deserves better
>>275034722>TV drama about pantyshotseven for Japan that goes a bit too far
>>275034720he was bitching too chapters ago about Miyoshi going to the same college because it'd be harder to talk to girls. Considering Miyoshi didn't really care about them gawking at the cheerleaders, Takagi really is a dick.
>>275034827and downward spiral continues for Nakai
>>275034862Right here is the drop
>>275034969Nice tits
>>275034969KWAB
>>275034984noticed that too>Remember Obata, this is an emotional dramatic scene where Aoki is being objectified by another character>Obata: Got ya, big flying tits should be the center focus
>>275034969a big titty slap would thoroughly enhance my dining experience
And done, I don't think I've ever hated a chapter as much as this one, but maybe thats just meWhat's you opinion?See you tomorrow, I need a drink
>>275035013>I gotta go, also since you spilled the drink you're paying for it. Peace
>>275034152>>275034221>>275034273I know Obata's doing the less serious face thing, but Takagi's proportions are all over the place.
>>2750350833 of the 4 main characters of this chapter are actively acting as retarded as possible so yeah it's a pretty annoying chapter to read.
>>275035083that slap looks a lot more impactful in Ohbas sketch, despite the unimpressive perspective
>>275034827
>>275035166lost a tooth in his even, guess Obata thought that was too gag-manga-y
>>275034932this might sound weird but Nakai reminds me of Frank from It's Always Sunny
>>275035083Thank you, OP
So I only now noticed Obata's doing a manzai performance with some other writer. What's Ohba up to now a days? Did Obata dump him like Miura wanted Mashiro to dump Takagi?
>>275035540Just because they did a few works together, doesn't mean they were contracted to work together until the end. They barely met each other during Deathnote and Bakuman. Remember that Obata worked for a different writer in Hikaru no Go before Ohba.
>>275034564This is it.All they have to do is ditch their girls and luck will follow them
>>275034221Just spill the beans Mashiro!
>>275034664GORILLA ENCLOSURE! NOW!
>>275035083At least Nakai finally got slapped in the face.Now the rest of the cast.
>>275034273>WHY CANT THEY JUST TRUST US WHEN WE BEEN RAISING EVERY RED FLAG BY BEING UNNECESSARILY SECRETIVE ABOUT GETTING SOME HELP.Damn it Mashiro, this arcs already making me hate Takagi, dont you join in on that after i got over your gag tantrum.
>>275035995THATS WHAT I BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE WEEK.
>>275036184Takagi is in need of a genuine fucking beating, not a slap.
>>275035238>>275035166It looks more impactful as a scene in the sketches, but I think Ohba's works way better. Even if Aoki is mad in the final version she's completely destroyed, contrasting with her budding feelings for Nakai and her saying she was losing hope in people (blunt as that is). This is her at the near-end of her rope just completely revolted.
>>275034932I know he's constantly pathetic but this level of scummy feels OOC for him.
>>275036640Takagi needs a slap for being a retard and not explaining things. Mashiro needs a beating for being pulled into the drama and then doubling down like he's the one that started it in the first place.
>>275035540Hopefully after Platinum End he realized he is a hack
>>275034564MGTOW baybee!!
>>275035083So do they give obata like 30 seconds to make his storyboard or does he have to draw it on a treadmill or something? They always look like illegible chicken scratch even for messy shorthand drawings.
>>275038211Just think about how long it will take to draw the final pages, he doesn't have time to do more than a couple of minutes for each page for the Name.
>>275034403This fucking retards
>>275034664i really can't stand this fucker
>>275035083If Bakuman didn't have all these shit drama, would've been better overall or the constant manga struggle would get old after a while?Personally I feel the best parts are the manga focused arcs that don't have all these drama bullshit, like the beginning of the manga until Mashiro collapses is great stuff and wish it kept the same dynamic.
>>275038318I just figured a professional artist would be able to crank out a more coherent drawing very quickly. I'm no artist and i drew this in like 15 seconds. You can tell what's going on better than in his drawing even if you have no context for the scene.
>>275038211It's lines of action. The most important part of the storyboarding stage isn't detail, it's flow. He draws the general outline of what'll be there and that's enough to get the composition and space in your minds eye.
>>275034932how did he get so much fatter so quickly?
>>275034624Tehehe
>>275039160Yeah that panel. She's enjoying this. Damn whore.
>>275034969It's nice to see this fat loser get slapped like a bitch
>>275038637first off, your sketch and obatas are around the same of claritysecondly, remember, obata has no frame of reference other than his own imagination, thus when he draws a quick sketch, he comes up with the composition on the spot unlike you who only had to copy him.secondly, it doesn't need to look pretty, this is an established artist, the only thing he needs to do here is show his editor where and what everything is, not how well he can draw Aokis boobs
>>275039148he got fatter with each appearance, which took months or even years overall. His gradual increase in size is entirely possible, especially for someone depressed(which he is, even if he doesn't look like it nor would admit it)
>>275039148He's a big guy
>>275035346Oba is better than Obata when it comes to expressions
>>275039527Fair enough and i know I'm not in a position to criticize the guy that drew death note. It might just be a me thing that his end of chapter storyboards are nearly totally incomprehensible half the time.
>>275034932>>275034969Damn that's low. He earned that. Completely blew away any lingering feelings Aoki had.
>>275039850>his end of chapter storyboards are nearly totally incomprehensible half the time.They're only going to be drawn by him, the flow of events is already clear from Ohba's version, and Obata has the seniority and track record to show even if the storyboard seems illogical (it really isn't) that it will wind up being completely legible.
>>275034221>>275034273
>>275039850All they need to accomplish is to be understood by him and his editor.Putting in more effort into something that nobody else is going to see, given how tight the schedule for weekly manga is, is just not worth it.
>>275034969God I wish that was me .
>>275034403Miura make them put in 20 more gags next chapter as punishment
>>275034221>If you trust me, then I shouldn't have to explain myself.This isn't fucking about you, Mashiro, like you just said. You're trying to make the boundary about trust "if you have it then shut up" while she is trying to solidify the trust understanding that you don't have anything to hide. There's ALREADY misunderstanding here because Miyoshi's been upset with more context on the situation than you had, why the fuck is your feelings of being trusted more important than clearing the confusion with Miyoshi who is clearly more fucking upset than you and has been for longer. When all you can give as an excuse is the classic "babe, what's wrong, you don't believe me?? trust me!!" that every cheater gives, you need to fucking prove that trust is rightfully placed. Both of these fucking idiots think they're entitled to confidentiality by nature of having a relationship rather than as a benefit of sharing a trusting relationship. Selfish bastards, the pair of them.
>>275041189This is actually a good point. It's easy for us as audiences to nitpick after the fact but these storyboards were always intended to be early stage rough drafts. I think this also gets to a trap that newbies and outsiders often fall into with putting too much visual polish on the rough planning stages when you should be focusing more on getting the flow and layout down instead.Slight tangent but it's an issue that crops up elsewhere too like in animation. The second Spiderverse movie had a lot of behind the scenes trouble because one of the directors expected people to fully render scenes before deciding edits instead of making those decisions earlier in the development process.
>>275034356Oh man up you twit. >>275034403Jesus fuck Takagi!
>>275034152Man that Takagi on the second panel looks bad.
>>275001578I know Tagaki and Mashiro are good friends, but telling a random wench such private information is really fucked up.>He didn't know she would use it.Doesn't matter. Aoki shouldn't know this in the first place.
>>275043131You're being silly, what private information?>My friends is engaged but they promised to not see each other until they accomplished their goalso what? That barely counts as a secret
>>275034827>why is that fuck fat looking at me so weirdly
>>275034707How long would it take for their relationship to go south?
>>275034722At least Miura is happy, this chapter.
>>275034932This fat fuck.
>>275035083Obata's storyboard looks particularly simple, and bits of the chapter itself don't look great either.I wonder if they were short on time for this one.
>>275034273>First, I'll stop exchanging ideas with Miss Aoki.Why? That implies that exchanging ideas with her was wrong, rather than keeping secrets.
>>275035083>And done, I don't think I've ever hated a chapter as much as this one, but maybe thats just meI fucking hate it , but I wonder if you kind of need these dog shit chapters because otherwise problems would just get solved and there would be no catharsis?I mean Agishiro are both still eighteen, so them being morons about their relationships isn't that abnormal. And Nakai needed to get his slap back to reality.Inadvertently, it feels like Aoki is getting the relationship experience she needs to write more of her manga. She's the one winning the hardest here.
>>275043474'bout how long it takes Yaoi of Greenery to get AXED
>>27504410115 years, that's a nice run.
This story is literally First World problems: the manga. I hate it so fucking much.
>>275044123Definitely a decent [hypothetical] run
>>275044098She continues to win harder and hits the jackpot with tsundere Fukuda.
>>275044151that's literally every single coming-of-age/romcom/etc. story in existence.You're fucking retarded for desiring something else out of this genre>how dare a story about making manga not have rape murder and slavery in it!
>>275034969Nakaibros... owari da
>>275044151Ironically the biggest first world problem of them all is complaining about first world problems.
>>275034403AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>275034932He is way too arrogant to act like this when he hasn't boned either of them
>>275034624With all of these man moments, Ohba couldn't resist tossing in a tiny woman moment.
>>275044285>he isn't reading Favela no Mangaka
>>275034664I hate him so much!He won so fucking hard with Miyoshi and AAAAARGH!
>>275044992yeah, am not, up until this second I didn't even know it existand it looks dumbgo ahead and try to sell me this story
>>275034325>i feel like i'm losing my faith in mennot like this, menbros...
>>275034779>Takagi already has a girlfriend.Not for fucking long!
>>275045227she should have become a lesbian, she already started building a women harem anyway
>>275039586>even if he doesn't look like itIs this not what a depressed person looks like?
>>275035083>And done, I don't think I've ever hated a chapter as much as this one, but maybe thats just meI went all in on gagcoin, so this has been a great chapter for me.
>>275045041Failed mangaka goes on a trip to brazil to clear his head, takes a wrong turn trying to find the house his friend's family lives at and ends up in the favela. Immediately witnesses a gang member get gunned down and meets a kid who lives in poverty but is good at drawing and dreams of becoming a mangaka himself. Story revolves around the kid getting pulled between his dreams and the reality of living in poverty, with the mangaka trying to help nurture his skills while the gan his brother is involved in is trying to get him to join.>it looks dumbIt is
>>275044444quints of nakai death!
>>275044444Checked and wrecked (nakai's chances of getting some mangaka pussy)
>>275044151You're using the term wrong. What you really mean is Petty Problems: The Manga. First world problems are maximising tax returns, comparing internet plans and worrying about use of proper pronouns.
baku
>>275035083Thank you for posting.
guys i think bakuman writting didnt aged good
>>275045227Honestly, this chapter does like everything possible to make you hate the male characters
>>275035191It's funny that the series ended before he could totally redeem himself by getting his own series and get a girlfriend and he still believed that Yoshida is setting him up with Aoki older sister that totally exists.
>>275049438it wasn't good then either, but I still love Bakuman
>>275034664The nerve on this fucking cocksucker FUCK YOU OHBA WHY DO YOU WRITE THIS SHIT
>>275050180They all need a good father figure in their lives so they know how to treat women, and I suggest Hattori.
>>275050331Hattori would think they're doing something wrong and then just say "Well it's not really my place to say anything"
>>275049438This is probably one of the lowest points in the series, though I might be forgetting something.
>>275039586he was crushing on the other assistant for like months now, he shouldn't still be depressed
>>275034447>>275034403I thought this manga was about manga, not relationship bullshit. Is this pandering to the female base?
>>275034722those asses are flat as fuck
>>275034827why did he have to end up a punching bag?
>>275034884stupid fat fuck isn't even fucking either of them and think he's a player
>>275034932this is character assassination, he wasn't this much of a piece of shit in the beginning of the manga
>>275052892chapter 1 lays the groundwork pretty well that it's about love and manga
>>275034969should have snuck in a panty shot here desu
>>275052892I don't get how this would pander to the female fanbase, but hey I don't talk to women so how would I know. Ohba must know something we don't
>>275049438When it's purely relationship drama it's not so good and right now the balance is really skewed.>>275052865I'd say it's more that he's become complacent. He's comfortable with how things are and has no motivation for self-improvement since he thinks these awkward chats are a serious romantic relationship.
>>275035083honestly these sketches have more charm to them. With ONE and AoT with crappy drawings I wish they would give manga like those more of a chance instead of relying on art to carry them.
>>275045508Is it about the writer of Haikyuu?
>>275050183he was actually losing weight too
>>275050458You're forgetting two entire arcs, both associated with a 4-syllable word.
>>275053774The evil manga corporation arc? At least those are still about manga though
>>275053259>he thinks these awkward chats are a serious romantic relationship.nobody can be that retarded irl
>>275035038Sounds like a business model.
>>275045375I meant even now, when he is flirting with the assistant girl and demanding sex from a coworker
Didnt any of the anime watchers here get the feeling that Takagi never seemed to want a girlfriend ?
>>275049438even back then people called the manga out for the shit romance
>>275058087I mean, he didn't. Iwase and Miyoshi came to his place and pretty much forced it. His only real romantic submission was the summer break where he helped her with cellphone novels. Miyoshi loves Takagi way more than the other way around. He didn't even wanna pay her for helping them get through 6 boxes of detective material, or helping with inking.
>>275055360you would be shocked at the average person's level of retardation
>>275058227NTA but I hadn't thought of it that way.
>>275034969I assume Ohbata put this scene here for catharsis and that might be true but only for the last three pages.I did not want to hate Nakai.
>>275060481there is quite a bit of difference between "My girlfriends are overreacting" to "I will work with you if you fuck me"
>>275060645With last 3 pages I meant the Nakai pages.Before that chapter, he was still likeable.Yes, he was pathetic, but so is Hiramaru and people love him and there was the possibility he could pull himself out of the trench.
>>275034564Later Mashiro will be like"Yeah, Miura helped us with first place, but literally every Editor could have done that."
>>275050458The Nakai romance sub plot and the Miura is enemy nr 1 parts are the low points, true.
>>275058218What a horrible edit.
>>275062330It was a different time, you had to be there
>>275053152He was a skilled loser. Now we understand why he will forever be a loser.
>>275058060he was asking for a loving relationship, not demanding sex
>>275060703yea it was character assassination, it was only ok because he was fat
>>275049438I understand why the focus shifted from the dream of marriage to simple mangaka rivalry, the latter is much more compelling than romantic relationships
>>275064672I think a bigger problem is that the supposedly main couple already is in love with each other, and decided on their own to not see each other. It's like a kick in the nuts to all the lonely nerds who would love any type of affection, and here are the two retards that throw it away for arbitrary reasons.We don't even get any funny interactions like with Takagi and Miyoshi or relationship development throughout the story. Mashiro and Miho have the same relationship in the beginning of the manga as they do in the end.But of course, shonen battle manga tropes are more appreciated in a shonen jump manga than cheesy romance clichees
>>275064725>Mashiro and Miho have the same relationship in the beginning of the manga as they do in the endWhich is practically non existant
>>275053152Because he was just busy being miserable, now he actually gets chances to show that he is in fact as pathetic as Fukuda joked about him originally.
>>275053181*bra shotThey're underrated
>>275035083Thank you OP!
>>275001916I love Hiramaru's segments with Yoshida. The framing of Yoshida as some dark overlord amuses me so much.
What's up everybody, let's see how this chapter goes. TodayChapter 66: Monkey and Marriage
GOD I'M SO TIRED OF THIS
>>275069495fucking hell Takagi
>>275069601>you've got it all wrongGET OUT OF MY HEAD
MANNNNNN
>>275063220He doesn't want a close friend anon.
>>275069601miyoshi you can't say that word
>>275069716She's just saying the hard truth
>>275069407Is it really neccessary to show off two inventions in the first chapter?
I hate everything about this
>>275070104that's a polite way of saying "only talk to my hubby when I can keep my eyes on you bitch"
>>275069407Fucking kys already, Jesus Christ, both of these retards
>>275069407It's been TWO MONTHS of Azuki and Mashiro too.The fucking timeline on this shit.
And done, the resolution to this arc (and the arc itself) was so terrible I'm gonna get a migraine from the seethe. What do you think?See you tomorrow
>>275069670Good, this raises the chances of Miyoshi just dunking him into the Gorilla Enclosure.
>>275069670>I hope I can tell Miyoshi apart from the monkeysMiyoshi does not deserve this slander.
>>275070412IMO the true low point still comes in a few chapters more
>>275069901Motherfucker you haven't been in touch with her over a misunderstanding caused by your stupidity for what, 4+ months now?
>>275070104No, it was a misunderstanding caused by Takagi being the greatest fucking idiot he could be.
>>275070412I actually liked this chapter. Sure this drama was unneccessary and frustrating but i thought this whole chapter was funny. Having Miyoshi being active in it helped a ton and her bickering with Takagi made me smile. The fact that this chapter wasn't as serious in tone also helped.>>275070437It's just banter. Miyoshi said it herself here >>275070104.
Should've got axed here. Japanese readers should've been less tolerant and given precedent to writers and editors about putting this kind of dogshit into print.
>>275069853LMAO Miyoshi's snot nosed expressionsHarebrained plot but I had fun with this chapter.
>>275070306>Im being forced.Yeah, thats fucking it. I fully learned to hate Takagi.
>>275070700You should probably take everything Takagi says with a grain of salt as he might just be joking. Although he is retarded as noted by Miyoshi this chapter.
>>275071046I mean, that one aside i got myself plenty of reasons to hate the guy after this whole week of chapters, he´s the fucking worst there can be.
>>275071177Yeah. Takagi is probably my favourite character but i can't defend what a colossal moron and fag he has been. The only thing i can come up with is that while he is intelligent, he is also completely dumb when it comes to relationships and girls and on top of that he is also almost as hard-headed as Mashiro or Azuki so it's almost a guarantee that he will pick the worst option when it comes to girls (apart from his first decision in choosing Miyoshi over Iwase).
>>275069988Marriage doesn't fucking solve misunderstandings, dickass, communication does. And when you know you've been hiding stuff WELL MAYBE THAT MEANS YOU NEED TO COMMUNICATEBut NOO I can't get over my stubbornness unless there's some generosity in there to help my bud, it was more important I make things easier for my friend Mashiro than making my girlfriend less upset.
>>275070412I remember thinking it was refreshing Takagi and Miyoshi got married halfway through the manga and it wasn't some huge deal. At least compared to Mashiro and Azuki's fantasy relationship. But I must have forgotten how retarded the circumstances leading up to it were.>>275072034Don't worry, next time they have a 2 month misunderstanding they can decide to have a kid and that'll fix everything.
>>275071636Okay, I'm starting to get it. Takagi doesn't have a good grasp on when being a jerk is cute and when it's not. He doesn't know when to flip the switch and concede the battle. Even now, he managed to luck out and jerk his way to a narrow victory.
>>275069454fucking finally
>>275069988>this isn't a mangathis lampshade wasn't needed, Ohba.
>>275070700That one was clearly just being facetious
>>275069901Congrats you managed to be more retarded about romance than mashiro. that takes real effort and creativity!
>>275073576Yeah, from his introductory chapters we can gather that he has a keen eye when it comes to people and is able to judge (superficially at least) what character they have. While he is pretty socialable (easily talking to Azuki and her mom the second time around), he is also a complete retard when it comes to social situations. In short, he is good at social situations when he has to observe them as an outsider, but when he is put inside one, he loses most of that knowledge or twists it into something beyond stupid. I was able to stomach this misundarstanding so for me Takagi causing all this drama was simply a character quirk of his BUT i can clearly see why anyone else would be frustrated by him and wish him the worst.
>>275069942>>275070412I just realized that the third panel is from the monkey's perspective lol
While not clear or that good in execution, this chapter also contrasts how Takagi and Nakai handle manga and romance. Takagi makes many mistakes in his relationship but he has no ill intent and while only painfully and really late he does make up with Miyoshi and clears up with the girls, you can see >>275070257that all three girls are having fun in his presence. Meanwhile Nakai already has a full head because he "has a shot" with two women (Takagi never got so full of himself enough though multiple girls were attracted to him) and tries to ~coerce~ Aoki into a relationship and is rightfully slapt.When it comes to manga, Takagi is into making manga not just to help Mashiro but also for himself because that is his dream and that hasn't changed since the first chapter. Nakai simply fallen off the track. His passion for manga seems to be surface-level, as long as he can be in the presence of a female he will gladly stay an assisstant and when he gets another chance to team up with Aoki, he tries to mix romance into it, basically saying that it is more important to him than getting a series.
>>275070412>And done, the resolution to this arc (and the arc itself) was so terrible I'm gonna get a migraine from the seethe. What do you think?https://youtu.be/mWMFTfaJaWM?si=N6GZ0S9l-r_lznPo
>>275070412Thank you OP!
>>275069495The mom is so cute, it's not funny
>>275070083First chapter is longer and sets the tone. Two actually feels like few because they're supposed to be used for gags.>>275069853Nice Aoki % and Miyoshi really looks like a gorilla in the last panel.
>>275070412The resolution would be more satisfying if they had taken more than like 3 panels to clear it up.
>>275069853>>Both Miyoshi and Aoki has big milkersTakagi at least has taste
The whole shitty drama chapters are carried by the artwork and faces.Tell me I am wrong.
>>275077339
>>275077192This stupid drama didn't deserve more.
>>275069601
>>275077630>Drama steeps for 3 chapters>is resolved in one conversation offscreenGee how bout dat.
>>275069601>what for?just take her to the zoo you fucking retard>>275069853>>275069743kek I'll be honest these scenes are funny, I wish the relationships was handled more of a gag than serious
Portraying young students getting married in a positive light is far more of a problematic influence than any violence in manga.
this retarded couple is the type to think having a baby will fix their next problems
>>275069407>TWO FUCKING MONTHSHonestly, I think the timeframe on this is the real problem.If this had all happened over the course of a week or two, I could maybe get it. But this dipshit has been giving his girlfriend radio silence for over 2 months. Probably somewhere in the ballpark of 4 months, even.And there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place if he'd just been honest. Because Takagi did nothing wrong by meeting with Aoki. The only thing he did wrong was try to hide it for literally no reason.
>>275078252it would have been an interesting development, honestly
>>275077155You see why the uncle worked himself to death trying to get that.
>>275078055But why?It's been shown that people who have one relationship, which is more likely to happen early, results in a stronger marriage.
>>275069942
>>275077652We can't have "it" spreading here...
>>275078285if I didn't talk to my gf in 2 months over an argument she'll be out fucking some other guy by then
takagi should pregnate miyoshi, tonight evenhe won't, the jap. the manga takes place over like another 5 years, so he should have impregnated her after they marry with the serialisation of tanto, and then impregnated her again 2-and-a-bit years later with the serialisation of pcp, and then another 2-and-a-bit years later with the serialisation of reversi. there's way too little fucking implied with them.
>>275079498my parents did that and it they ended up getting divorced. Marrying the first person you date isn't a good idea especially if you don't actually have any chemistry
>>275079672I know they're nips and this is a manga and all, but I think we all agree if you go 2 months without talking it's over.
>>275079721Gotcha. I won't doubt your lived experience, but I do think it's not bad to commit to someone young if you do have chemistry.There's a tepid balance between:>Oh my God, he might be the one, but I should try other guys firstand>I've known him for a week and know he's my soulmate and I'll jump off a bridge if he leaves me.
>>275070164Rise up fellow gamers.>>275070412The drama was pretty forced but I guess it built some groundwork for later like Aoki loosening up and Iwase becoming a rival. I'll forgive Takagi and Mashiro for acting stupid since they're 18-19.
>>275078055feminist faggot>>275079721divorce rates are the lowest by a LARGE margin for couples that have NOT slept around
>>275078055you're a homo
>>275080981>I won't doubt your lived experienceyou should haveand never use 'lived experience' again you queer
I think that Takagi and Aoki should have lots of sex and children together
>>275082528This but replace Takagi with me
>>275082461>you should have>and never use 'lived experience' again you queerOkay, I'll just say your parents broke up because of you instead of getting together when they were young.
>>275082621Shut up Nakai, Aoki only likes lanky men (me)
>>275082801Take her to the zoo, I hear retards love the zoo!
>>275069743
>>275069901>he has about $37,000 today not bad
>>275078285This is my take too. I'd almost say I like this chapter and the resolution to the drama, Takagi being an idiot and all, if it was within a week or so of initiating. It being two months makes it a lot harder to accept Takagi stumbling his way into a solution, he got off way too light.
>>275064725While I never finished the mange when first reading it I always got the impression that there was an intentional setup for Mashiro and Azuki's relationship. That they ultimately didn't experience the growing pains, the mistakes and learning that come with a relationship and so are in aworse starting position when they get married. This would contrast with Takagi and Miyoshi who did make lots of mistages, get into arguments over stupid stuff, and ultimately further their relationship because of it, which is what I thought was the purpose of this somewhat forced drama. >>275069988>Yes! Overcoming hardships will help you bond closer together.Which Azuki and Mashiro didn't really experience.That the point of Mashiro's uncle's story is that ultimately the reason he didn't get the girl isn't that he didn't become succesful, but because he was a bit of an idiot who insisted on the idea he needed to be succesful first to procrastinate on just asking her out. That dreams and romantic ideals are nice and all but you shouldn't be stubborn about them and stop them from living your life.Does it really end up going nowhere with all of this and just play's Mashiro and Azuki's relationship completely straight until the end? The narrative purpose of Mashiro's uncle and the contrast between the two relationships is that Taro failed to become successful and so didn't get the girl but Mashiro will do it right this time?
>>275079721Anon, the rates of divorce are at 60%, 43% if you want to only include first time marriages. But we already have the data that women with zero sexual partners or who married their first sexual partner have much better rates of marriage satisfaction than women who have 2+ and even more so 4+. In the context of your parents, I'm sorry that happened. I'd imagine there needs to be a network or community to help your parents sort out marital problems. I imagine this is part of the reason why you need a witness to get married; to be representative of a community to help you and your spouse accountable and maintain your vows.
>>275069709What does Aoki smell like?>>275070412It wasn't so bad. Aoki went deredere, Takagi stopped fooling around and /our/ girl Kaya got his man. (I would have hugged Aoki at least once if I were him, though.)There is something quite interesting with that chapter. We're entering the "gag manga arc" soon, and the manga has been using more and more gags. That one in particular has many funny facial expressions.Actually, they often apply this principle in Bakuman..
>>275085312>What does Aoki smell like?Sunshine and tuna
>>275077339I've said it before and I'll say it again, most of the shitty situations writtten by Ohba are only made digestible because Obata is a masterful artist
>>275085212While I'm playing devils advocate one should always be careful with causation and correlation when it comes to statistics. It could easily be the case that people with a propensity for stable happy marriages also have a propensity for marrying early, while someone without that innate propensity being pushed to an early relationship by external factors such as said statistics won't neccesarily lead to a better outcome. Or, of course, it could be that the causation does in fact imply a direct correlation. Most likely, it's a combination of both and a bunch of other stuff besides. That's the trouble with real world data, it's messy and the difficult part is often not just demonstrating that an effect exists but also detangling all the different factors involved and how much of an impact they have.
>>275034273>>275034447Despite being the way they are I do like that Takagi and Miyoshi start to take steps when they realize it's affecting their friends. Its one of the things that keeps Takagi from being completely despicable despite being such a selfish source of drama.
>>275082528True, that way i can have Miyoshi for myself.
>>275087653Step in the line buddy
>>275087687No.
>>275086430I'm in the opposite camp, it makes Takagi look like his priorities are with his friend and not his fucking girlfriend. I'm never getting over that.
>>275084034bastard is richer than me
>>275070641Someone has to pull WSJ rankings from these chapters to see how they were received back then
>>275070641The self insert ended up hanging out with three girls, while learning nothing. Why wouldn't anyone like this?
>>275085212where you live matters too. In the west it's normalized but in asia getting divorced is still looked down on. In China alot of older husbands have mistresses and the wife dosen't do anything about it.
>>275088335>niizuma getting with that stuck up bitch is funny as fuck still
>>275085312>>275085312>It wasn't so bad. Aoki went deredere, Takagi stopped fooling around and /our/ girl Kaya got his manYou are very VERY easy to please.
>>275089980Let me see.>Ch 60 (Takagi sees Aoki and agrees to their exchanges) - 4>Ch 61 (Aoki and Takagi, ends with Iwase appearing) - 12>Ch 62 (MISUNDERSTANDING) - 15>Ch 63 (huh?? Miyoshi is mad??) - 19>Ch 64 (Time of Greenery and the first phone call) - 6>Ch 65 (holy fuck these two) - 16>Ch 66 (misunderstanding finally annulled) - 4> 67-69 - 9th, 17th, 5thIf you assume what they say is true about ToC placement, then 19th place was the one that followed the stupid agreement the first time at the zoo, and then it jumps around between mid-aughts and low teens. To also be fair, ch 59 is Miura's stupid fucking outburst, so the following rankings could be influenced by real salt from that.
>>275091577So everybody hated it, that's a small relief
>>275069454Fucking hell
>>275091577>To also be fair, ch 59 is Miura's stupid fucking outburst, so the following rankings could be influenced by real salt from that.Why would chapter 60 then be 4th place?
>>275070641>>275091577the manga was selling amazing around this time, it was improbable for a possible axe situation
>>275092996They made up
>>275093064Then why should chapter 59 influence the following chapters but not the very next one?
>>275093154I only answered your question, not the anon you were asking
>>275093648My question needs the full context
>>275092741Azuki's mom has got it going on
>>275069743>>274961978Close anon
>>275069853>Obata: Man, I have to draw Myoshi like the dumbest retard again, to make it look like she is in the wrong
>>275092996>>275093154Because (if Bakuman's description is to be believed), the ToC isn't determined by the previous week's chapter results, it's by 3 weeks ago I think. They have to get chapters ready for the printers at least 2 weeks in advance of its street date, which means by the time Chapter 1 drops, chapter 2 is likely still being printed/shipped out and chapter 3 is being printed. Neither of those's positions can really be changed, so after the first three their position can be adjusted based on the ranking from 3 weeks ago.Ch60 in 4th place would have been from chapter 57's results, which was showing Eiji judging Future Watch and the decision to compete Ten and Me 2 against one another. That IS a pretty stellar chapter in terms of conflicts and tension. 58 was the results for them which would be ch 61's 12th (which was alright, but kind of disappointing), then 62's 15th from Miura's outburst in 59, and 63's 19th from the resolution and setup for Aoki's stuff. So this drama arc that started with 60 was ranked>19th (more likely attributed to the rest of the chapter), 6th, 16th, 4th, 9th, 17th, 5thIt jumps around and I don't think it can be taken as gospel, but it is about when.
>>275070412Thank you Opie
>>275085203Sorry for not spoiler tagging that postI won't confirm or deny anything, I will just say despite what I originally said, there are still things to look forward to in regards to their romancethat's all
>>275095120Ranking is reported for the current published chapter within that week, the latest the reader has access to. Only the mangaka and editorial would be working ahead of time and can't change the work immediately following a shit ranking. So basically, shit chapters get shit ranking.
>>275070700show a bit less of that autism anon
>>275095120rating system is retarded, do they still do this?
>>275079721But that was because you weren't a good son, like most divorces
>>275095120It's 6 weeks. (This is why ToC placing start to be only counted at chapter 7)Mangaka can start making changes based on reception 3 weeks later, because they're ahead in terms of knowing that.To lend >>275091577>Ch 60 (Takagi sees Aoki and agrees to their exchanges) - Color Pages>Ch 61 (Aoki and Takagi, ends with Iwase appearing) - 17>Ch 62 (MISUNDERSTANDING) - 5>Ch 63 (huh?? Miyoshi is mad??) - 18>Ch 64 (Time of Greenery and the first phone call) - Lead Color>Ch 65 (holy fuck these two) - 18>Ch 66 (misunderstanding finally annulled) - 4> 67-69 - 15th, 10th, 11thWe see that every chapter of this ranked like shit except the misunderstanding, and the resolution.
>>275098803You mean the part where it's pseudo-public knowledge because of ToC placing, or using reader surveys to check the reception?
>>275001727>>275001785>>275001816actual spoilers for people who are reading for the first time please don't read this:it's been like two decades now and i'm still fucking annoyed at how this character turned out. he should've won, bros.
>>275099371>he should've won, bros.who, Nakai? He had no right to win anything. The only reason why one would think he should have won are self inserters into the fat bastard trope. I do wish he got a proper redemption though, but that requires effort on his part, which he wasn't willing to put into
>>275099439he had way more and better moments with aoki than the otters guy did. otters guy's relationship with her felt forced as fuck, and unnecessary when this guy was already set up. obviously, he didn't develop in that direction, but he simply could've.
>>275099478Hiramura actually put in effort into building a friendship with Aoki and was overall a nice guy(well, more like a pushover, but still), meanwhile Nakai thought a working relationship was enough to demand sex.You sound like the only reason you thought Nakai should have been written to be the winner, is because he met Aoki first. Which sounds bullshit, so I will go back to my original theory and say you self insert into the fat guy
>>275070104>Women>being friends?!Well that's nice after all that stupidity.
>>275099478If we're going with best moments then it's Fukuda who should have won
>>275091152Well, most the drama got resolved and I like what the married couple becomes later on, so the payoff is more important to me. I also genuinely don't hate this arc at all. It could have been executed way better of course but I can reasonably justify everyone stupid decisions and stubbornness. I don't think it was out of place or forced.>>275099439>>275100105Nakai is not real, but a mere construction of the writer. He doesn't "deserve" anything. Anon is exactly complaining because the author didn't give his character any moment of redemption in the story. It's even worse, since he turned him into a despicable pervert. It's not like he needed to get the girl to grow as a character, too.>>275100354I still think it was the better ship to this day.
>>275069601Takagi's a retard, A RETARD
>>275070412Thank you for posting.
>>275100354Fukuda would had been an interesting choice and a fun nod to the "Mangakas whom date each other"
>>275099478I agree that Hiromaru felt forced as fuck and my armchair analysis says it was almost certainly a decision made because Hiromaru/Otters 11 was popular, but Nakai not getting the girl was good for the story.
>>275034884>>275034932Scum, utmost scum
Since the thread's still alive, let's get going. TodayChapter 67: Panty Shot and Saviour
>>275106098>these two months where i did not speak or even think about her made me realize how much i want to be with her
He's still this stupid...
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>>275106273>old school comedy battle shonen>now survives off ecchiKiyoshi's development seems funny
>>275106769based confession
And that's it, let's see Aoki's training montage. Did you like todays episode?See you all tomorrow
>>275106803>>275106865Thank you OP
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>>275106598poor katojust realized the mistake she did by being friendly
>>275069454>its affecting my boyfriends work ill do something about it now.
>>275070104its good. its just how we got here is stupid
>>275106098>shouldn't you at least wait until it gets popular, even if you're not going to wait until it's animatedWhy does he act like this is normal. It's almost softly judgmental even that Takagi wouldn't wait for the anime. Stop setting arbitrary milestones for your relationships beyond immediate pressures of work/life.
>>275106300>He must be at Takahama's place!>>275106378>Wait a minute, i don't even know where that is.
>>275106098>The attraction was mutualwhy the fuck would you say that
>>275106865Thanks OP. Fukuda in his best Kohtaro cosplay in the drafts.
>>275106338I understand that Ishizawa is exaggerated in order to impose an antagonist in the chapter, and so that Fukuda would shine, but I got to dislike how moe and otaku culture is constantly associated with terrible people in Bakuman.>>275106803Come on. Don't tell me they were not made for each other after that.
>>275106517Fukuda suffered some mental damage.
>>275108618Otaku culture is looked down upon in Japan, not just Bakuman. Also I actually prefer they don't get together, having simple male+female friendships is refreshing.
>>275108729>Otaku culture is looked down upon in JapanSure, especially at the time of the chapter too (around mid-2009). However, I don't think it's particularly a good reason to spread misconceptions. That's particularly wrong since Bakuman. aims to show behind the scenes of the manga industry (even if romanticized).
>>275106803This has turned into a reverse harem.
>>275108664I'm afraid its permanent.
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>>275106803The hardest part to believe here is that Hiramaru managed to escape his studio to go there, i would assume Yoshida locks the place down until like 8pm.
>Ishizawafat
>>275106576It's really disappointing that Nakai never gets his shit together after this in the series to get serialized again. Like, you're in the midst of manga artists at the top of their field who consider you a rival and you're just chasing tail. I wish he redeemed himself by trying to make some weird love comedy based on his abject failures. Lord knows we'd love something like that.
>>275108618>made for each other after that.You dodon't even know what "made for each other" means.
>>275099371Nakai should've been a better person.As he is now, he didn't deserve to win anything.But I do wish he had been written in a way that he did deserve to win.
>>275106098>The attraction was mutual with Miss Aoki.The fuck it was?!
>>275106576>>275106803Gotta love hotheaded Fukuda. Despite his crudeness he really cares about anyone he considers a friend. It's also nice seeing Aoki mellow out from her earlier stubbornness. Nakai on the other hand is just too pitiful. Despite this Fukuda doesn't give up on him.
>>275099439let's be honesty the majority of manga readers are fat bastards
>>275106457Kiyoshi kinda sounds like slop, not gonna lie.
>>275106179what's her fucking problem with Fukuda? He never did anything to her.
>>275106378what a bro, always going out of his way to help others
>>275106517>>275106576>>275106598I feel bad for Fukuda here.You can tell that he really does admire Nakai in spite of (or because of) how much shit he gives him.He knows Nakai has potential and it pisses him the fuck off to see him waste it for pussy.
>>275115544Maybe because they're rivals.Or because they looked pretty unfavorably upon each other's mangas at the start. And it would be embarrassing to ask for help from him.Up until the end of the chapter, when she realized that Fukuda really does care about the rest of Team Fukuda.
>>275106436all the fat ugly characters turning out to be major creeps is lazy and forced
>>275106480was this cut from the anime? I don't remember this part
>>275115767maybe the imagination part, but I'm pretty sure the anime had the diner scene with Ishizawa
>>275115728Yeah, you really need to understand that he's fat, ugly, disgusting and creepy with all the unkept hair, lascivous eyes, tongue-licking, food-caked mouth, otherwise you wouldn't realize it
>>275116078he's... me?
>>275106224>>275106338Why are they treating her like an easily traumatised child ? Isnt she supposed to the grown up woman in the group ?
>>275116272Ever since Nakai confessed his love, and Takagi made her loins fired up they have to treat her gently.
>>275115264>>275108346Beeg fucking manga artist teetteesAnd Mashiro is the one guy he's always 100% honest withHe isn't with Miyoshi out of convenience, he does love her, more than anyone else, despite being attracted to other girls.
>>275108618Moe and otaku culture IS actively hostile to normal people and especially women??What the fuck are you pretending here? That absolute moebuta fucktards who don't hide their powerlevel at all are socially acceptable good people?
>>275111298>implying Hiramaru isn't a Great Escape tier fugitive if he puts his mind into it
