It's always obvious when writers with average intelligence writes a story about a genius protagonist. She just knows everything, and and reaches the correct conclusion without any real thought process. But it begs an interesting question:Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?
No
This is just House: The Anime where House is now a cute anime girl.
>>275181400Midwit take.
>>275181400Okay, wait, is this a real anime? Are they actually making an anime version of House where House himself is a cute girl? I saw an image on Twitter and thought it was an elaborate shitpost.
>>275181708https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=32647It's real.
Dr. Stone was painful
>>2751814001. be realistic about intelligence, in most cases people is barely faster than others but what matters is the knowledge/mindset cultivated for some considerable time.2. don't reduce the intelligence to a few 'smart moments'. Intelligence affects even how you do trivial things.3. don't make others look retarded or abuse of encyclopedic intelligence.Thanks for coming to my chatGreatBenisTED talk.
You can make a character more knowledgeable than yourself by doing research, although you'll quickly run into the problem that you don't know what you don't know. And you can write a character a little bit smarter just by having more time to think than them. But beyond that, no, you cannot write a character much smarter than yourself because you just simply won't think like them and will have them do things you don't even realize are dumb.
I don't get the point of this complaint.Would you rather have the author write all of the characters with the same level of intelligence? It would be weird.
>>275181400I would lean towards "yes" in that the speed a person thinks and the speed a person writes a story are not the same. In this sense something that you pondered over for a long time as a writer you could have the character reach the same conclusion faster. smart = fast is for hacks though. I think it probably is also harder to write a smart character if you have access to their internal dialogue since then you have to show their work more and they need to seem smart at speed a person can read written thoughts. Might be comparatively easier to write a character who feels smarter than you if you stick to what they say or do rather than also what they think.Finally you could write a character who is smarter than yourself by stealing stuff from real life or other writers, or run your stuff by someone you think is smart for feedback. Pretty safe bet there are real people and writers smarter than you who you could crib stuff from and dress it up to help achieve the effect.
>>275181400if the author was intelligent and inquisitve he'd have to comment on the dangers of covid jabs and vaccines in general but none of that happens in this series
>without any real thought process.But the camera goes up to her forehead and it shows flashy cgi neurons and her in a holographic sphere surrounded by floating equations and then she opens her eyes and says bazinga, that's how you know she's geniusing real good.
>>275182130based fellow science enjoyer
>>275181400does anime house also have a cute anime watson sidekick doctor, or is it a romance thing instead of the holmes watson stick
>>275182130Are you by any chance a writer for Netflix/HBO? 0_0
>>275181657I came here for this
>>275181657and that's a great thing
>>275182426It's neither. He's a Kyon-like reluctant doormat but he's into her sister.
>>275181400Yes. Just show them actually thinking and doing clever things. Don't just let them tell you the answer, set up the problem and have them demonstrate how they approached it differently than a normal person would so the reader thinks "oh that's a neat trick". Alternatively, frame the problem in a complicated way and impress upon the reader that there's only one solution bu then have the genius reframe it and break it down into a simpler core problem and resolve that.
>>275181400Well in the last episode I reached the right diagnosis literally after the opening.The only bad writing part is the fact that not a single doctor tested for epilepsy which is something you do in a patient like that
>>275181657It could at least be entertaining to watch House be an asshole to people. Dr. Loli just comes off as an annoying know-it-all child.
>>275182130>the camera goes up to her forehead and it shows flashy cgi neuronsKino
>>275182130Jimmy Neutron did it first.
>>275182708Not to mention a lot of the other characters will bounce off House and so creates a fun dynamic. Everyone in this show is always just amazed as she explains everything.
>>275182712this is so retarded lol
>>275182609I agree, the third episode was extremely weak because the conclusion was immediately obvious. And yet everyone besides Ameku was a drooling idiot who never even considered epilepsy and glazed her for her "brilliant" deduction.
This is like House but bad and not funny and less interesting
>>275181400You can write your characters to sound as intelligent as possible pretty easily, since you have infinite prep time to look up things and think of witty lines that sound intelligent. The thing that trips up a lot of people is expressing how someone intelligent might act, how they analyze situations and come up with conclusions, or how they might think and react to stuff.
>>275182130Wait a minute...
>>275181400>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?One can read 10x better than one can write, so no.
>>275181970>the speed a person thinksIntelligence isn't really about the speed at which a person thinks, though this is how it probably appears to someone unintelligent. Do you really think the difference between a Poodle and a 100 iq human is merely that a person thinks more quickly than a dog? No, the human thinks fundamentally differently, it has hundreds of ideas before breakfast that no amount of doggie brains could match, no matter how caffeinated they were.
>>275183181there is a strong correlation between processing speed and intelligence.
>>275182609I know nothing nor noone with epilepsy, and know the episode kinda handwaved it away to stress and shit, but can you really go almost 20 years with no symptoms of it in the modern world? In my ignorance, I wouldn't blame the docs.
>>275181400This is written by an actual doctor tho
>>275182712My King.
>>275181400>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?The only way is to severely limit their screentime and keep them in the background, keeping them either mysterious or a "mastermind" figure. Main character smarter than you is very hard to write convincingly.
>>275181400She's cute so it's ok.
>>275181400That's not what "begs the question" means.
>>275183294Just how low is the bar to become a Doctor in Japan?
>>275183498I knew that, I still left it in the title.
>>275183506Asian.
>>275183554The repetitive formulaic anime, the infinite "I was a loser but I found magic sword and I'm a sex god" manga that make 99% of the fantasy genre, the market dominance of gacha games have convinced me that Asians, or at least Asian geeks, are not on particularly intelligent on average.
>>275181657>literally lives in a HOUSE on top of the hospital What did they mean by this?
>>275183738Nepotism
>>275182708>>275182835Really? I was close to trying this, but it sounds lame + apparently there's production issues. Fuck.
>>275181400>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?No, but you can control the information given that limits how smart they are like in mysteries.
>>275183892If you're expecting an actual anime House MD then don't bother. But if you're okay with the typical genius anime girl detective and her bumbling male partner solving dumb cases go for it.
>>275182130So she has a brain blast? Lol
>>275183506>Just how low is the bar to become a Doctor in Japan?>in JapanRight. Fauci and Degrasse Tyson are from Japan.
>>275183220There is, but intelligence isn't merely processing speed, that's simply how it shows up in certain circumstances. If Person A thinks he can figure out the answer in 30 mins and Person B figures it out in 30 secs, then Person A has no other explanation other than "B thinks fast", when the correct answer may well be that B tackled the problem from a completely different angle. The difference becomes more evident when A and B are given problems that A cannot solve no matter how long he is given, because he is simply not capable of understanding the problem or the solution. You cannot teach a mental retard how to do differential calculus, and it isn't a matter of him "thinking more slowly" or "needing more time" - it's simply beyond his capabilities. The same issue happens when comparing cognitive abilities of very high intelligence individuals vs normal or even high intelligence ones, there will be concepts or techniques that will simply be beyond some people.
>>275183994>bumbling male partnerHe's a karate black belt gorilla
>>275183729anon, normalfag brainlets like you exist everywhere, regardless of culture
>>275181657I will now watch your show
>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?Yes. Particularly if you have enough time.Sherlock Holmes can rattle off his thought processes in a couple pages that took Doyle a week to write.
>>275183506That's for attorneys.
I love these "Retards try to act smart" threads
>>275181400Why bother with this when I could choose a random season of Black Jack?
Reminds me of this
Neru sex
>>275181400>reaches the correct conclusion without any real thought process.I guessed the epilepsy case some time before it was said. The finger stuff and mindscape animations are silly as fuck but I don't think the cases are completely unsolvable for the audience. It's more that the other medical staff are made incompetent by not coming to the same conclusions or asking similar questions.Also how has the hospital roof not had structural issues from having a whole brick cottage on top of it?
>>275184207Cope
>>275183994>smug anime girl causes massive seethe about intelligence
>>275181970I agree with pretty much everything about this post, but I would make one modification. Instead of running stuff by "someone" you think is smart for feedback, do it with multiple people, especially if they tend to be smart in different areas and have different perspectives. Maybe ideally doing it multiple times, so that each individual may make considerations about the considerations of others.
>>275183286I have a friend who only developed bad epilepsy symptoms in her mid-20s, she crashed her car three times and got her license revoked. Somehow her dog knows when she’s about to have an epileptic seizure and to keep her held in one place, so when it gives her a certain look she knows to lay down and get ready. Super weird.
>>275181400Funny thing is that the author of the books is a doctor lmao.
>>275181400Portraying "genius" characters as having unwavering confidence is the mark of a stupid writer. The most crippling flaw that comes with high intelligence is doubt. A true genius will constantly question themselves and everything they do to the point that it may torment them.
>>275181400No amount of writing can make stupid people like OP understand smart people. They are built different like athletes making world records that you can never even approach.Smart person already knows all the answers you need a long thought process for because his brain is just that fast.The gap in inherent abilities can indeed seem like magic.
>>275181400>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?no, it's why death note is so annoying if you aren't a brainlet.
>>275184953From my limited understanding, dogs can smell the difference when their owner is about to have a seizure. There's also been some anecdotal evidence of cats doing this as well.
>>275185286What does a white woman's seizure smell like? Can it even be imagined?
>>275184766"The Martian" maybe is a good concrete example of this. The writer is not an astronaut who could survive on mars on their wits alone, but given a book-writing's worth of prep and access to feedback form contributors working with NASA, they can write a plausible-ish story of an astronaut stuck on mars being coached by smart people on earth.
>>275183286Yes. The only person I know that has epilepsy only showed the first signs when he was a senior in high school. So around the same age as the characters in the episode.
So, how do you write a character more stupid than you?
>>275181970>or run your stuff by someone you think is smart for feedbackThe show "the good place" used a couple of philosophy professors as advisors, surely it would be cheaper than many VA asking some professors for advice.
>>275185286My father had a very old horse for over a decade that could sense when he was ill and behaved differently while it lasted, really weird but also cool I guess.What's more interesting is that the ability to predict a seizure of the owner seems to be pretty rare and most seizure response dogs can only be trained to act during or after a seizure.
>>275185418There's enough inspiration all around you anon.
>>275184953Dogs can be surprisingly perceptive and sometimes even reactive even while still being a dumb fuck who can't remember where he hid that piece of toast, like my Dog, who whenever he wants me to know that he is not feeling well, he will raise the temperature of his forehead when I am touching him to check.
>>275185418Take a break to watch some random isekai then get back to writing.
>>275184953>>275185409Thanks.
I think the notion that you can only write a character as smart as yourself is idiotic and has been regurgitated ad nauseam by midwits who think they are the only person to have read that Sherlock Holmes copypastaThe primary advantage a writer has over the character they are writing is time, being able to ponder a situation for hours that your character resolves in minutes objectively makes them much smarter than you without coming off as "magical superpowers"It's also rare for writers to be singular entities spearheading a whole script without supervision, multiple dumb idiots will often converge on a character that's smarter than any one of them individually
>>275185023>A true genius will constantly question themselves and everything they do to the point that it may torment them.Just like me...
>>275185023not really
>>275185023If that were true, tech wouldn't progress at all
>>275186850These things only take you so far. They do allow you to write a character smarter than yourself, but only so much smarter. You're still going to inevitably have them make stupid decisions that you don't realize are stupid. You're still going to write them failing to realize things that you will never realize yourself no matter how long you or your dumb colleagues think about it. This is why the only real way to go about it is running what you've written past people who are smart, like other anons have mentioned, so that they can catch the stuff that you would never see.
who knows, but here's a picture of a cute cosplayer
>>275187281Why not? Constantly questioning yourself can be very helpful for solving problems.
>>275187355Sure if you have a writing room entirely filled with gluesniffers any attempt at a smart character will come off as phoney, but I don't believe that to usually be the caseThose characters are written like that not because the writers are dumb, but because portraying intellect as a superpower is simply what the casual audience enjoys
Wait, is she a doctor who's also a detective o a doctor who acts like a detective? Cuz that was House.
>>275185023True geniuses are extemely frustrated people. This usually leads to unlikeable traits like being an absolute asshole. There are multiple accounts of geniuses through history that are described as eccentrics, rude or insane because they are just tired of dealing with literal mongoloids in their eyes and having no one to emphasize with theyt. I know a genius who decided to buy a farm away from the city and have a big as fuck family who treats everyone but his family like shit
>>275184107this guy doesnt know how intelligence works
>>275181657House is good because House is a genius who hires other, slightly lesser geniuses to compete with and bounce ideas off of. Sometimes they even one-up him. It's not just him constantly vomiting out the right answer.
>>275181657No it's not, House is straight up better in every sense.
>>275187912house doesnt care how smart his team is as long as they give him something to bounce offmost diagnosis are reached by him discussing personal drama with Wilson
>>275181657So not House then but more like...>>275182708....Young Sheldon but if he were a medical practitioner.
>>275187912I rewatched all of House recently. The show gets very ridiculous with the medicine over time, and House was always indeed the guy who vomits out the right answer seemingly at random too. Part of the problem is because they ramped up the soap opera shit but that was because they were running out of medical material. Some of the diagnoses were also pretty retarded.>kid has syphillis>but got like 50 rounds of antibiotics earlier>but the 51st cures him>patient dies of mystery disease>House wants to autopsy>forbidden by lawyers>actually respects it and pines about how unfair it is instead just fucking doing it anyway like he always does>patient has <basic bacterial infection>>cured by antibiotics>except oops some survived and nobody thought to think about the old infection until 40 mins into the episodeAnd that's just shit that I notice was retarded as a non-medical person.There's a guy who went through every House episode so you can read his thoughts too: https://web.archive.org/web/20150117075644/http://www.politedissent.com/house_pd.html
>>275181400>dr loli dated a menhera lesbo in her college days >said menhera lesbo dumped her and married an older dude dude one day >which was apparently some master plan to get her attention >it didn't work in other ways other than making dr loli depressed and feeling cucked >she then proceeds to kill the dude to get her attention back, of course only after making like 3 kids Remember anons, never touch a menhera
>>275181400>Black Jack >loose cannon genius doctor that doesn't play by the rules>fixes pretty much every patient he does surgery on>has done surgery on animals and robots>fixed himself while stranded in the outback surrounded by dingos >took the carcass of a baby absorbed in the womb, and created a different body for her, she is now the mascot >does a whole lot of over the top impossible bullshit mangaka is an MD
>>275188166You had to be THAT GUY.
>>275184633Is the series actually like this or its just a meme?
>>275189852Just scroll through the wikia of this character and it should answer it.https://bakerstreet.fandom.com/wiki/Eurus_Holmes
>>275189233I remember watching one random episode of this guy>He had to stay for a day at some village>the village was poor as fuck, but he found a house with a family that treated him really well despite the poor conditions and offered him to stay for the night>speaking of poor conditions, one of the family members is very sick. Doctor comes and say that he will die soon, but he can save him>family is happy to hear he can save him>he won't do it for free>understandable, how much do you want>the entire wealth of the whole village>that's cruel as fuck, can you save him and Ill get the money someh->no>family managed to convince the entire village to give up their wealth>Dr says saves the guy, takes the money and leavesI don't even know what the moral of the story is supposed to be. Take advantage of emotionally weak people is profitable?
>>275181400you only say this because she's a woman.
>>275184633Low bar but one of the all time /tv/ posts.
>>275183294>This is written by an actual doctor thoSo was Blackjack
>>275190160>I don't even know what the moral of the story is supposed to beKek
>>275182712>I have no ideaFucking kek
>>275190113This could unironically be a character from Index lmao
>>275190160There is no moral. Just doctor man doing doctor things. Not every story needs to have a moral or message.
>>275190373Sure, but the thing is that there was nothing interesting about the episode either. Just some doctor who sees a chance to take as much money as possible. It thought there would be some sort of twist like "I just wanted to see if you could do it or if you would give up on your relative's life", but no. Literally just some business and bye bye.You would think that a story as simple as that would try to give some sort of message, but it didn't.
>>275181744>to a few 'smart moments'.intuition >in most cases people is barely faster than others but what matters is the knowledge/mindset cultivated for some considerable time.nope integrated knowledge becomes as fast as intuition, happens sooner if you studied smart >>275181400>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?yes but you'll need to know own limits first, and give more thought to characters thought than you would to own. but don't reduce it to overthinking or academia-type slog
>>275184633smart-by-retard is infinitely more entertaining than some nerd autistically sorting the crumbs.
>>275183384so that's why most antagonists are intj or similar types
>>275185023having overthinking neurosis isn't being a genius.
>>275187571any audience can enjoying it, for different reasons. it's only bad when there's no way to sort out and categorize autistic and funny works as different subgenres. people talk trash on Tv tropes but we got what we deserved for not tagging things enough
>>275181708you need to produce twitter shit post tier works seriously if you want to succeed
>>275181400Yes. Have them figure out problems you yourself came up with or know the solution of.
>>275190160>Take advantage of emotionally weak people is profitable?I mean, yeah, just look at the entirety of the American healthcare system and insurance industry.
>>275181400>Is it possible to write a character more intelligent than oneself?At the risk of sounding insanely up-my-ass about this, no. Other Anons have mentioned that it's possible as an author to write a character who is knowledgeable, or who thinks or acquires skills quickly, by writing that character carefully and deliberately. The author isn't under the pressure of the moment to come up with inventive solutions quickly, and they can look stuff up that they imagine their character would be well-versed in. So for the purposes of certain scenarios and story devices, an "average" person could, if they were careful and deliberate, write a character who is believably more intelligent than they are. That said, though, an average person couldn't write them as a CHARACTER as much as a device, because an average person wouldn't be able to effectively represent that character's inner world. Now, a truly skilled author wouldn't really have to. They'd show you the aspects of that character's inner world that they COULD effectively represent, in a way that makes them come across as intelligent, and then leave your imagination to fill in the bulk of it. You don't need to see all of L's or Light's gears turning, for instance. When you see their thoughts, it's only those that are relevant to the plot and that the audience is probably thinking hard about as well. You get to see "a-ha's" and "what-if"s and moves and countermoves, and you get to see more emotional sentiments like "I've got you now" that don't need any veneer of intelligence. For the most part, though, it's just "no." Intelligent people aren't the same as average people but exaggerated or heightened. They straight-up possess elements of mind that don't exist in avaerage people. They don't just think about the same stuff as average people faster; they concern themselves with and tend to care about different things altogether. It'd be like asking a precocious child to write a believably adult character.
This show is a lot less entertaining than House, which is a low bar.
