Why did Japan stop making space westerns?
because they're shit
>>275203402They were better than the endless isekai slop we get every season
>>275203358We stopped making sci-fi in general because we now live in that world and it is fucking shit.Everything after 2010's was a mistake
>>275203358>Coyote Ragtime ShowIs this any good?
Not counting Cobra, which is surely more Space Lupin anyway, that's five shows over about a decade. Hardly a huge trend.>>275203443We live in a cyberpunk dystopia, and that had a successful anime a couple of years ago.
>>275203402This and isekai is better.
>>275203358Because why bother stepping out and having an adventure when you can just sit back and let things happen while you remain the same spinless wuss you've always been?
>>275203443What happened in 2010s that changed things?
>>275203674Internet became mainstreamCorpos latched on to the internet like sharks smelling bloodAnd they imposed heavy censorship on everyone
>>275203661You tell me, fag
>>275203544It's aggressively mediocre, but Franca a cute
>>275203661Watching Cowboy Bebop doesn't make you an adventurer
>>275203358There's this one. Clearly a porn artist's work but it's not a porno.
>>275203544>>275203544It is nothing special but yes, it is a very good show in the sense that it is neither shounen nor moeThe MC is an old man and the entire plot is a mixture of both Hollywood and animeWatch it with a bottle of beer
>>275203402fpwp
>>275203443>we now live in that world and it is fucking shitBullshit, there's no hot robot women, no SPACE pirates, and definitely no bikinis as acceptable wear for any occasion and occupation.
>>275205003Reddit post
>>275205038Reddit or not, it's true.
>>275205003Honestly, considering how the future devices turned out, do you really want to see it progress further?
>>275205408No, I just want the cool shit that was promised and then never delivered on in favor of the shit in that screenshot.
>>275203358the american anime bubble burst.
Because most of them besides Cowboy Bebop failed in Japan & the audience for them moved on.
>>275205408this reminds me of minority report where tom cruise beats a cereal box because it keeps playing a holographic advert
>>275205464It is promised, it will be delivered, and it will be shit, filled with all sorts of predatory practices.
>>275205464It wasn't a promise, it was a sales pitch so that we'd let a handful of autistic bugmen be the computer aristocracy. Enjoy your useless technoslop in the most boring cyberpunk future imaginable.
>>275203710How exactly did it influence TV anime production in Japan?
>>275203969Picked up.. but there are only like 7 chapters :(
>>275205500Then why do we keep getting terrible FLCL sequels?
>>275206321it came back with streaming. But anime was best when they focused on their core domestic otaku market (late 2000s through mid 10s).
>>275205834Outsourcing became easier, thus taking care of local artists became unnecessary
>>275206421But it's the grunt work that's outsourced, how does it impact creative decisions on what to make?
>>275206321Because Adult Swim kept paying for more to be made. Besides they already confirmed that there won't be anymore FLCL sequels.
>why do trends change?!?!?!it is a mystery
>>275203358Because is boring, even isekai comes up with more intresting ideas.
>>275206806/a/ hates it when younger & newer audiences dictate what gets made.
>>275207722>even isekai comes up with more intresting ideas
>>275203358I don't remember the characters going to space in Gunxsword
>>275208465I think Van did the final episodes.
>>275203674There is absolutely zero expectation of space exploration with actual humans being sent somewhere anymore, if anyone ever goes to another solar system it will be an AI in a can at best. So you basically have to do retrofuturism to make non-horror non-dystopic sci-fi entertaining and it's pretty fucking depressing.
>>275209388Well that's quite an explanation. But I still don't know what happened in the 2010s.
>>275203443Okay? Just move the date up then
>>275203358star wars/star trek being the pinnicle of media for a very long time. now just like marvel it's mostly shounen crap. isekai well it's just like any harem anime back then but with mmo tropes
>>275203674Ocupy Wall Street
>>275211743How exactly did it influence TV anime production in Japan?
>>275211761your mom
>>275203969that tiny pussy zipper
>>275203650kys retard
>>275203358Not sure, Macross and Gundam done by Tomino is amazing along with LoGH.
>>275211779At last I truly see
>>275203358Eat Man Season 3 when?
>>275203358Lazarus will save us
>>275203402Why are zoomers so viciously retarded? It's like they hate everything before 1999.
>>275206806Why hasn't the trend changed again after 15 fucking years?
>>275212111>oldfag larper falls for the shittiest baitmany such cases
Man I wish I was a nihonjin because I have a great idea for a space western anime. Imo no other sci fi or space fantasy series has ever recreated the vibe of Star Wars and I think that leaves a big vacuum since Star Wars is dead
>>275213208Deltora Quest got an anime adaptation. Just a thought.
>>275203358My wife Aisha is so cute
>>275203358>Why did Japan stop making space westerns?Because eventually, like all fads, they die down. Plus, they weren't selling enough toys.And pic related; Cowboy Bebop was a freak accident because Bandai/Sunrise gave the keys over to Shinichio Watanabe and told him to make a cartoon that can sell spaceships without supervision. Basically went about making his own shit until Bandai saw what he was doing during produciton and practically pulled the plug on funding until they were saved at the last minute by sister company Bandai Visual. And then you had Yoko Kanno who made music that was so fucking good that the animators completely redid entire sections of animation to match the quality of the music. But outside of that, most animes can't compare with it. Outlaw Star is...semi-average. I think a lot of people just remember it fondly due to airings on Toonami 24 or so years ago without actually rewatching it. Personally I don't think it holds up or should be put in the same echelons as Cowboy Bebop or even Trigun.
>>275203358Because they very clearly peaked with top right
>>275206321Adult Swim paid for it as it was harvesting nostalgia of the 2000-2004 period of people well into their 30's or even 40's.
>>275213494
>>275203710>Internet became mainstreamBecame mainstream when AOL allowed the masses ease of access to the common man in 1994.
>>275213693
>>275203358because space is fake
>>275206471>Outsourcing became easierExplain. Anime (especially inbetweens) were always outsourced since the early 70's to places like Korea due to labor disputes and eventually the Philippines. How did it become "easier" You can't just make those accusations without any form of context.
>>275213587Rewatched it recently, it's also just that it's incredibly competent the whole way through. It does not move me much, you could say, but any random episode had great music, animation, and frequently very good writing. That sort of consistency and quality does make it stand out.
>>275213872>You can't just make those accusations without any form of context.Where do you think you are?
>>275213872NTA, but outsourcing becoming easier due to being able to materials via the Internet seems pretty obvious.
>>275212111Millennial and I hate everything (anime) before 2002
>>275214092>being able to materialsESL detected
>>275203358Because the current target audience didn't grow up on westerns.
>>275203443Correction: we stopped believing that the future would be an improvement over the present.
>>275214709Dystopias have been around for a century
>>275211761It lead to DEI and that is trickling down to Japan now.
>>275214709Sci-fi was very popular in the USSR. And not even the early USSR where people were holding out for communism or something, but the stagnating Brezhnev era USSR.
>>275214709Im old enough to have seen the march of time and the nice things that have come out of it. The issue is too many people think being in a "bad time" makes them special so they do it out of a sick kind of masochism.
>>275203358Space is boring.
>>275203674Japan finally totally gave up on economic resurgence.
>>275214863That's quite a long chain of events, I wouldn't mind you elaborating further
>>275214996How come a lot of sci-fi works were produced in the 60-70s in Soviet Union that went through similar process?
>>275215064Sci-fi was popular worldwide, and there was a space race going on at that time.
>>275215304Worldwide trends didn't quite penetrate the iron curtain and by the 70s not much exciting was happening in space for a commoner. Kir Bulychev, one of the most famous Soviet/Russian writers, outright said his generation pretty much gave up on the better future and expected to live and die in the Soviet empire as they knew it.
>>275214966For you
>>275203443Sci-fi is trash anyway, nothing of value was lost
>>275213494>>275213787
>>275203358>Why did Japan stopThey never stopped.
>>275203358Deciding tomorrow's lift to Cobra
>>275203544It's really good, 5/5 imo. Wish we had a higher quality release to watch.
>>275203956The ending clearly said I was a space cowboy
>>275203402fpbp
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>sci-fi presenting a better future is more unrealistic and difficult than generic medieval-fantasy isekaislop number #988that's grim...
Do they even make space anime at all anymore?
>>275220196https://youtu.be/Z2M7FBSkpro
>>275214187No, I'm an EOP. I just don't bother with proofreading my posts.
>>275220227What have we had since 2020? Eden's Zero and that 6 episode ova?
>>275220300You mean orbital children? And not counting gundams?
>>275220335Yeah that's it. And I feel like Gundam is it's own thing that's apart from the industry trends in anime. Even then it's just been WFM.
>>275220398Why do you keep lying? Everybody here is capable of looking up what came out in the past years and many of us saw what came out with our own eyes.
>spaceI just remembered this jewel.
>>275221099I think about space dandy at least 20 times a year. I gotta rewatch it sometime. Last one was back in 2019
>>275205408>While posting on an app that asks all of that
>>275203358You're talking about a 20-odd year timespan here. Also, Back Arrow was a mecha western, among other things.
>>275212118Because it takes at least 20 for a newer generation to think the shit we left behind is cool enough to do it again.
>>275203358They stopped selling. Actually scratch that, they were always niche and basically were never particularly successful. Next question.
>>275203358>>275221857they tried to revive that genre with Space Dandy 10 years ago but it sold very little so that's itI dont think we're gonna get space kino anytime soon
>>275221857Pretty much this. Yes, it was popular to a niche and even more so in the US then Japan in early-mid 2000s, but it ultimately wasn't a money a maker for the animation studios and the companies that funded them.
>>275203443>>275214709Space Westerns never presented an idealized future, though. Sure, technology has progressed, but protagonists are usually outcasts who this new world has left behind in some way or another.
>>275215037Not sure if his ass has enough to give.
>>275214709The world's in these Space Westerns were anything but idealistic. In fact, they're fare more relatable to life now than ever.
>>275203674Simply mankind stopped to invest in space exploration and now the progress in science is focused to replace white collars with AI and Jeets. How can you make a Sci-Fi on this?
>>275209655It probably just became more widely understood that space exploration by actual humans is impossible. Techno-utopians in general are a fraction of what they used to be
>>275205834>We can sell international broadcast rights for this anime to Western slop companies like Netflix and Crunchyroll if we censor itThat's how
>>275223753But Musk is making a buzz with his Mars expedition plans and NASA launched the Artemis program in 2017 or somethingI think Blue Origin is also doing something but I don't really follow space news
>>275223803What does censorship have to do with new sci-fi works not being made?
>>275223853Sci-fi works revolve around pretty girls and spaceships, the first one is now forbidden
>>275223868That's quite narrow image of sci-fi. How many pretty girls there were in Asimov's novels? I can play the USSR card here too, the censorship was heavier than whatever it is now but it didn't stop new sci-fi works from appearing
>>275203358Because they were inspired by sci-fi/western stories from the US and to a lesser extent Europe, but since they have only made shit since at least 2000 onward, there is nothing to be inspired by, more like appalled by.And so they have largely abandoned the genre(s)
>>275214709Are you even aware of the premise of Cowboy Bebop's plot and how dystopian it is? As in the Earth is completely fucked causing a mass exodus and the only way for order to even be established in the solar system is through bounty hunters being paid exceeding high rewards for captures? It's basically "Mexico In Space"
>>275223931The animes inspired by it were more popular in the West than in Japan. Especially shows like Cowboy Bebop and Trigun.
>>275223819Musk is too busy simping for Trump, lying about being good at videogames, and running Xitter to the ground to oversee any space shit.
>>275223969Doesn't mean Bebop and Trigun weren't popular in Japan at all. Hell, Trigun fucking inspired BlazBlue, and that's an extremely chuuni otaku series.
>>275223819Musk is throwing smoke in MAGA eyes while he is sucking Trump's dick to import Jeets in USA in order to layoff IT workers in his company.
>>275224038Artists inspire artist, that's a given. Even Ghost in the Shell was praised by Hollywood directors, but that doesn't mean the average American knows what it is. But I'm talking about how lucrative the genre was, which it wasn't.see: >>275213587
>>275213587I rewatched it when Toonami ran it in 2017 or so and still really enjoyed it. Honestly of the 3 Toonami/AS-boosted Space Westerns, I'd rank Trigun in last. Not because it's bad mind you, I just feel like it stands a lot better when you read Maximum after or alongside it than on its own.
>>275203402FPBP, none of those anime are good
>>275203402FPWP, zoomers have such shit taste holy fuck.
>>275225531>cowboy bebop>badmaybe try watching it zoomer anon
>>275221099Always hated this, I don't know why /a/ actually seemed to like it.
>>275224038The Trigun anime was a failure in Japan, likely because it was unfaithful to the manga
>>275203358isekaishit
>>275203358Their economic bubble popped so they dropped futurism sadly
>>275227566Trigun Maximum ran for nine years after the anime ended, and if the source material was so important to fans why was Stampede a completely new canon?
>>275225573>>275212111I was born in october 2000 and i love all of those90s anime also looked better
>>275215064Space Race.Also those tended to be melancholic and existed as ways to criticize the Soviet nation/Warsaw Pact. Like Ikarie XB1 or Solaris. They weren't stories that were mainly genre fiction.
>>275212118It has, multiple times. Right now, we're in the endgame for isekai, with most of the adaptations becoming hybrids with slice of life shit, instant-overpowered MCs, slow life, self-aware parodies, and fantasy (both "it's literally dragon quest" and otherwise) stories that just slap a bit of "errr the MC is from another world and just got sent here offscreen, he's a native now" at the start to get the isekai tag while it is popular. It'll die out soon enough, and it remains to be seen what comes after. Doubtful it'll be much good, since we're not likely to get anything like the Mushi-Uta-likes of the late 00s coming back.
How many space westerns have actually been made? Doesn't even seem like more than 10.
