>finally watched elfen lied>reached this scene>.....>;-;
>>275215554gay forced ending to wrap up the plot
>>275215554now read the manga. it's pretty short, but the characters get a lot more fleshed out
>>275215618>now read the manga.do I have to read from the beginning? I heard the magna was kinda different from the anime.
so why didnt they use surgery to remove Diclonius power? Why did they have to kill them?
Why didn't every guard have tungsten bullets?
why didnt the guards immediately bring out the anti tank rifle? Why did the guards have only one anti tank rifle instead of multiple?And why did the guards only have mp5s? Where were the miniguns? Where were the rocket launchers? Where was the heavy machine guns? Where was the flamethrowers?
>>275217053>>275217281Maybe they blew the budget on that AR combat simulation system.
>>275217678>gov supported facility to handle threats that could wipe out humanity>doesn't have the budget to afford both a combat simulation system and a well equipped security force.Humanity deserved to lose
>>275215578The manga is much better.
>>275219466How better is the manga?
>>275215578Anime is dog shit cuz they adapted it before the manga was even done so they had to come up with an ending. They even removed the best girl.Pic related.
>>275219606Can’t tell you if it’s better or worse than the anime.
>>275215554>anime suggests that breaking their horns gets rid of their invisi-arms>no one ever tried this before to render these bitches useless
>>275219833>anime suggests that breaking their horns gets rid of their invisi-arms>no one ever tried to surgically remove their ability to grow horns
>>275219696why? do you want me to read it to find out?
>>275219665Anime-original endings were just how things got done, especially for anime made to advertise manga that were only approaching their closing stages. Elfen Lied is far from the worst offender here.
>>275219833I remember that this bitch had her best death in the manga.
>>275219867I don't know if you will like the end of the manga.
>>275219957Thats fair I guess. Will read it and find out for myself if I like it.
Having also watched this for the first time recently it affirmed something to me, oldtaku often like to talk about something being lost in the digital transition but also something has been lost between 2000s anime and now.I can't exactly pinpoint what it is, if it is even one thing.
>>275220070>I can't exactly pinpoint what it is, if it is even one thing.SOVL
which was better the magna or anime?
>>275221063Mangahttps://youtu.be/VU6phYemZoc?si=0PDC5Qkmrb2Mm13P
>>275221151Should there be a remake of the Anime?An Elfen Lied: Brotherhood, if you would.
The original elfen lied is the edgy more "serious" versionThe elfen lied: brotherhood is the more comedic "better" version.
>>275221865You mean like the OVA?
>>275221865The OVA actually derives a lot of its tone from the presentation of the manga, such as Yuka’s hair radar.
>>275215554MAYBE I WANNA BE YOUR GIRL
>>275215742There are differences from the very beginning, such as Lucy being much crueler in the manga and the humans getting more screentime and characterization. The art starts out pretty amateurish, but it improves around volume 3.
Nakadashi Lucy
>>275219466>>275219606The manga is dogshit, it keeps going on and on repeating itself.
>>275223976No, the anime just cuts off awkwardly in the middle without concluding anything properly, and tries to trick teenage midwits into seeking answers that don't exist for the rest of their lives by shoehorning pretentious symbolism everywhere.
Sad the mangaka has dedicated the past decade to an isekai no one reads.
>>275225499It's probably his most popular work in Japan, actually. Elfen Lied is infamous for being carried by western fans, and Nononono and Brynhildr got cancelled prematurely long before reaching Parallel Paradise's current chapter count.
>>275221151I like that one video where the characters of Elfen Lied are playing the roles of the characters in the lyrics of the song.
>>275225622Imagine being lynnYour sci-fi/psychological works get lukewarm reactions. Ok fuck that i ma gonna make isekai where every chapter new girl gets fucked! In fact whole isekai world shall be just one big rape world fantasy! Top seller!
>>275225622/isekai/ doesn't read it so I assumed no one did.
O QUAM SANCTA, QUAM SERENA, QUAM BENIGMA, QUAM AMOENA, O CASTITATIS LILIUM
Which studio would have done it justice for a Elfen Lied Remake?
>>275226461Shaft
>>275225743When you think about it, just about all of his works are the current popular genre ad absurdum. Elfen Lied played the typical harem cliches of series like Love Hina and Chobits for drama, Brynhildr did the same for battle harems, and Parallel Paradise is an isekai that unabashedly portrays the genre for the masturbatory fantasy it is.
>>275226461Madhouse would have been the perfect studio for it in the 00s.
>>275216810The Diclonii other than Lucy are fucked for reasons other than just the vectors, such as how they're infertile and age twice as fast as regular humans. They're a complete evolutionary dead end.
>>275219665Based.
>>275226461I hope it will be Studio Passione. The same studio that made the new Higurashi: When They Cry and the Spice and Wolf Remake.
>>275215554I just realized this is the same author as parallel Paradise and all other works.
why did the elfen lie?
>>275221151manga is also an absolute fetishfest for okamoto's clear obsession with girls pissing themselves.The anime might have lots of issues in narrative but toning down the fetish shit clearly makes it more memorable and appreciable than the manga.>filteredshoot scat and pissfags in the head, hang their bodies from street lights
>>275232398He's not actually into it, though, he just felt that it was an element that would add some interesting nuance to the story. Schizos like you who react in cartoonishly unhinged ways to it prove how it was an apt addition after all, considering how uncannily similar it is to the discrimination that the diclonii faced for their horns.
>>275219665>diaper fetishismeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
Kotaro fucked his cousin and had a daughter, he won
>>275223976Unironically this. I always hear how people preferred the manga but it only dragged shit along and the end was shit.>>275233481>author tries to save face by saying he added his fetishes in the manga to add 'nuance' to his storyOldest trick in the book.
>>275233481>fetish>nuancebrah
>>275221938>>275222405The ova was the perfect blend of comedy and tragedy.They should have made the series more like the ova.
>>275215554>music plays with pictures of Mariko and her parents before dying.
>>275236834>brahYeah, you clearly aren't the type to comprehend nuance, that much is for sure. It's funny how you think accusations of fetishism do anything but reveal your attitude of wanting to other people for their differences.
>>275237330What would happen if mr rogers raised a young lucy
>>275237431Ignore the accidental (you)
>elf didn't lie
>>275215554ngl I watched this when it came out decades ago and the only things I remember are the OP because nude MC, and the first scene where slender nude girl murders everyone with mysterious invisible power
>>275237431Raising dicloniuses seems like a difficult task with them gaining the ability and impulse to kill before they even really would have a real concept of death.I guess the way you would have to do it is through nursery rhymes, bedtime stories, picture books, things like that.The three little pigs and and ba-ba black sheep of not cutting people to pieces.
>>275238394>I guess the way you would have to do it is through nursery rhymes, bedtime stories, picture books, things like that.>The three little pigs and and ba-ba black sheep of not cutting people to pieces.a perfect job for mr rogers.
The Elfen Lied anime turned 20 years old and Lynn Okamoto still has contempt for the anime adaptation.>It's been exactly 20 years. As I've written a few times before, Elfen Lied was really unpopular from start to finish, so I was despairing and wandering around on my bike late at night, thinking that I'd have to give up on being a manga artist, but I'd like to tell that surprisingly, 20 years later, it's still being serialized weekly.
>>275240104Given this, I can only say that if Okamoto didn't like the anime version, then he should have authorized a remake for it.
Still have yet to watch this. What is it's biggest selling point?
>>275240134>>275240104WE NEED ELFEN LIED BROTHERHOOD
>>275240162entertaining edginess
>>275240162it will make you cry and cringe
>>275240162If you liked Rick and Morty, you're gonna LOVE IT.
>>275240104>like a song enough to make three different works named after it>one gets an anime>the director removes all trace of the song it's named after to shill his OC songNo wonder.
>>275215554You know, I really always loved Elfen Lied's arty style, it still feels very.. contemporary. Not sure if that's the right word.
>>275241483Feels similar to a lot of other anime at that time. Which I liked, felt sort of personable with how raw and hand drawn it was. Well, minus the vectors.
anime >>> mangacutting out the diaper girl and actually being able to hear the music that is so integral to the story really brought out the best in the story
>>275215554Why are her eyes so stupid? Is she from the 2000s?
>>275242362>actually being able to hear the music that is so integral to the storyAnon, they literally removed the Elfenlied song.
>>275242550??????
>>275243089They removed the "diaper girl" and the German song called Elfenlied that the series is named after that she sings so that they could shoehorn some generic ominous Latin bible verse song with no relation whatsoever to Elfen Lied.
>>275243174I'm surprised that no one made an AMV, or at least that I wasn't able to find one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6phYemZoc&ab_channel=Dottore%27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUIdPWaNry8&ab_channel=EllyAmeling-Topic
>>275243174I like the song tho. Lilium is a good songThe mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom,His tongue speaks judgment.Blessed is the man who endures temptation,For once he hath been tested, he shall receive the crown of life.Lord, fount of goodnessLord, divine fire, have mercy!Oh, how sacred, how serenehow benevolent, how pleasant this Virgin who believethOh, how sacred, how serene, how benevolent, how pleasantOh pure lilyLord, fount of goodnessLord, divine fire, have mercy!Oh, how sacred, how serenehow benevolent, how pleasant this Virgin who believethOh, how sacred, how serene, how benevolent, how pleasantOh pure lily
>>275243337There exists this video with visuals tailor-made to match the lyrics:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIztz2YI6PI
>>275243408I wonder if the diclonius nature of infecting humans to give birth to more diclonius was inspired by the 'cuckoo' lyrics. I'm not sure if that idea was intended in the song but it cuckoo brood parasitism does parrel how elves steal babies and replace them with elves in German folklore. Sorry if I'm bringing up the obvious.
>>275240162Cute alien girls fighting
For me? It was the little girls abusive adoptive dad who keeps getting fucked up
I wonder how I'd feel if I watched this for the first time now as opposed to when I was 18. It did launch my current anime obsession, so thanks for that, nudity and violence.
>>275227796okay but that doesnt answer my question.Its clear that the scientists or etc feel guilty about killing the dicloniu. So why not do the surgery approach? If they can remove the vectors through surgery, then the dicloniu wouldnt be a threat anymore. Thus they wouldnt need to be killed.So why didnt the guilt filled scientists advocate for brain surgery? Wouldnt they have considered it to be more humane?
this thread is dying because you don't post real best girl
>275249011>real best girlno
>>275249011>real best girlexact
>>275249011Nana and Mayu deserved better
wtf is nyu anyway? How do split personalities work?
I love this puppy.
A long time ago a public artist made a Nozomi doujin called Soprano Dramatico.
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>>275250705I havent read the magna so I dont understand this like towards the characterwhats so epcial about her
>>275225622>Brynhildr got cancelledHow do we know this for sure?
>>275249439Who had it worse?Nana is half the person she used to be, but she gets her dad.Mayu is fine, but she only got the upper half of Bando.
>>275249753I thought it was complete bullshit but looking into real cases of dissociative personality disorder it's not completely implausible (apparently the personalities having little to no memory of what happened when the other was in control is totally a thing).Based on the anime if I were to think of Kaede as if she were a real person going off the idea the disorder is a coping mechanism I'd guess the personalities first split when the dog was killed and Nyu is the part of her that couldn't deal with it and 'Lucy' is the personality that was generated who could and was pretty much in control ever since until she washed up on the beach, because Lucy had trauma related to Kouta and couldn't deal with that so Kaede reverted to Nyu.In a sense Nyu is Kaede's childhood innocence.This is me just theory crafting based on incomplete anime knowledge and half understanding 2rd hand explanations of the real condition, so pinch of salt.
>>275251061>split when the dog was killed and Nyu is the part of her that couldn't deal with it and 'Lucy' is the personality that was generated who could and was pretty much in control ever since until she washed up on the beach, because Lucy had trauma related to Kouta and couldn't deal with that so Kaede reverted to Nyu.In a sense Nyu is Kaede's childhood innocence.fair but then what about the third personality? Because theres this weird KILL THEM ALL personality that lucy also has (the festival)
I really like the pink glow the diclonius have in some scenes
>>275251216I was expecting we would see this darker side of nana more......but then it never appeared again in the anime.
>>275251126I didn't read that as a 3rd personality so much as continued development of the Lucy personality dealing with her diclonius nature even if it is depicted as this outside voice since it's convincing her to do violence rather than taking over to do it.
>>275251303>outside voicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx0MC4QTnjQIdk it still seems like its own "separate" thing. The scene starting from 1:28 portrays them as "different" beings. With their own "personality"
>>275251303>>275251464oh wait i just checked info regarding the magna *spoilers*. it seems the dna voice does posses lucy at one point.
>>275250807She's a cute shy girl who struggles with incontinence due to the damage her abusive father inflicted, but does her best to prove that wearing diapers doesn't prevent her from being impressive by working hard to both be a top student and fulfill her dream of becoming an opera singer. She is also really kind and selfless, and manages to muster impressive amounts of courage when she needs to despite her anxiety issues. Basically, she's a realistic counterpart to diclonii when it comes to the discrimination they face for being different, and provides an example of what they should have been doing instead of killing countless innocent people while wallowing in self-pity.
>>275242362This. Elfen Lied manga = 90% garbage, 10% genius. Elfen Lied anime = 70% garbage, 30% genius.Apart from anything else, the guy was literally teaching himself to draw by doing the manga. The first few volumes are technically awful.
>>275251242https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUS4RHzxtFwThere was this small moment
Did an en equivilent of this ever exist for zoomers of 'very edgy and terrible show that everyone watched and thought was good' ?
>>275252002>small tiny moment>only exists in the ova>isnt nanas true dark side at all.sad
>>275251005>Mayu is fineShe got diddled.
>>275251527Alright, so it is 3 personalities, 1st is Nyu who has kindness but is nearly completely suppressed, 2nd is Lucy who lacks kindness (in the altruistic way Nyu has) but has other positive feelings that can ground her (joy, wonder, fun, love (in a more 'selfish' way than Nyu) and the 3rd is raw diclonius instinct that is distinct from Lucy but has influence over her (and is why she is so callus and violent over the smallest pretenses).I get the sense if Kaede hadn't had developed split personalities due to trauma (presuming that's what happened, anime only) she'd have been a troubled but sweet girl who would have violent impulses as a diclonius that would be mitigated by her otherwise kind personality.Maybe I'll read the manga one day to find out if this character impression is accurate.When I saw her killing families for their houses I had pretty much written her off as a monster, a tragic monster, but still a monster, but thinking about this has shifted my impression of her to someone far more redeemable. There is a version of this story where I could accept her becoming an outright good guy even after all of that.
>>275215554elfen lied is shit with one of the most stupid and annoying MC in anime history. the only good thing about it is the opening
>>275250946It ended really abruptly shortly after the anime. If I recall correctly, Okamoto mentioned how the anime flopping ended up influencing the manga too, and how he had been forced to skip a huge chunk of his intended plot for the manga so the anime could cover more of the manga.
>>275251242It appears briefly at times in the manga in the form of her getting smug during fights, but her entire deal is that she’s a diclonius who resists her urges to kill others.
>>275215554It was kinda tragic in its own sense, but she did kind of deserve it. Little bitch did everything wrong.>>275247535>treating demons with literal horns on their heads as anything other than demonsYou realize that it's a fight for survival between humans and diclonii, right? They're parasites that reproduce through infecting humans, and have powerful vectors to chop you in half, while we outnumber them like 3 billion to one. You let those fuckers out and infect the populace, it's ogre for the human race. Our only option is to keep them contained and study them if we want to, but not allow them outside at all. Their only option is to violently uprise and kill any guards to escape, then infect humans with their virus. We're at root ends on our survival. We cannot get along peacefully. One of the two parties will win this war of extermination. Although, declonii need human hosts to infect and reproduce so if they gain enough power, they will have to just use us like breeding sows.
>>275251949On the other hand, it quickly gets much better.
>>275250705There exists a series of 4komas about her too, called Nozomi-chan's Daily Life.
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>>275251949>Elfen Lied manga = 90% garbage, 10% genius. Elfen Lied anime = 70% garbage, 30% genius.KekOn the bright side, at least in the manga, Lucy dies as a villain
>>275252279What happened with Brynhildr really hurts. Should have been 24 faithful episodes. It could have been one of my favourites. I also heard that the english online scans for it have a lot of content missing because the volume books have a ton of extra pages.
>>275229761I'm watching Spice and Wolf and it's amazing how well they managed to preserve the atmosphere of the original (even though the art style is more moeblob). I'd say they did it justice.
>>275253775>Lucy dies as a villainDoes she? From what I remember the DNA voice takes her over at the end and she sacrifices herself
Brynhildr X Elfen Lied crossover?
>>275252279I found this. Not sure if it's true or not.
>>275249011I actually cried when she died, even though she hadn't much screentime i liked her as a character.
>>275256364>when she diedHuh?
