Why isn't this more popular? It literally did to Isekai what Evangelion did to Mecha.
>>275236276>It literally did to Isekai what Evangelion did to Mecha.you know nothing about Evangelion
>>275236276>It literally did to Isekai what Evangelion did to Mecha.ruined an entire generation?
>>275236276Where's all the ultraman references in somny boy?
>>275236276it didn't do that at allit's not nearly as well known as eva, it's just something liked by 2deep4u fags
>>275236441Isekaishitters will never be interested in this because there's no knife earred elf girls
>>275236441It's bad on purpose to subvert expectations, so it's a masterpiece like eva. The question is why it's not as well known.
>>275236507>The question is why it's not as well known.because it is nothing like Eva after all
>>275236507>bad on purpose like evabased
>>275236516>deconstructs a genre to focus on character drama insteadIt's very much like Eva
>>275236557>"unlike all the other Mecha THIS one is about the characters"This used to be a joke, you know.
>>275236441>it's just something liked by 2deep4u fagsYou have to be quite stupid indeed to not get the message Sonny Boy is going for
>>275236594>escapism... le bad
>>275236276>Why isn't this more popular?Because it filtered both /a/ and normalfags. In their defense though, who would have thought people that desperately crave escapism for their choice of entertainment will get offended by the ultimate message of the series to be "grow up and stop trying to escape into fictional worlds"?Pity though, because so far it's AotD.
>>275236669Maybe try watching it instead of reading a plot summaryI refuse to believe you're that dumb
>>275236276Because it's pretty bad. Just another obnoxious overrated show
>>275236699>escapism... le double bad... conform NOW
>>275236670>Pity though, because so far it's AotD.Pretty much. Can't think of anything that comes close.
>>275236670>>275236769These guys post in 3x3 chart threads
>>275236276sonny boy was pretty neat, i still listen to the ost pretty regularly.
>>275236831Sorry there weren't big titty elves in a beach episode in it for you
They were made for each other.
>stop watching cartoons and get a job>stop escaping your terrible life with fantasy>pay taxes>procreate so your spawn can pay tax and wageslaveNo.>but muh visuals>muh moralfagging>muh artistic visionno. make more isekai with titty elves and tomboy catgirls2/10 wouldn't rewatch
The way the haters talk about the show make it sound really weird and complex, but it's actually pretty straightforward.
>>275236831I've never made, much less posted a 3x3 chart. If your taste is so narrow you can only pick 9 titles, you don't belong in /a/.
>>275236982Rating it poorly because you disagree with what you think it's trying to say isn't very meaningful.
>>275236936Mizuho is best gril thoughever
>>275236982It doesn't really say that at all. It tells you a) to cherish your adolescent years and b) yes, to grow the fuck up and it shouldn't be a controversial statement.
>>275237079Disagreeing with something makes it bad
>>275237671What a midwit take. If a brain isn't challenged with new ideas, it goes senile. It's like a muscle you have to exercise.
>>275236276What? There are literally zero isekai tripes there
>>275236557>deconstructshahahahahahahahaha
>>275237079>>275237796not exactly saying much when this is the normalgroid logic to hate isekai to begin with despite normal isekai having far more mature themes than reddit boy
>>275237900>despite normal isekai having far more mature themes than reddit boyGonna need a citation for that one boss
>>275236276Because Little Busters already exist and is a trillion times better, just go watch that.
Too artsy for the average anime fan.
>>275237918Nonbiri nouka already does what sonny boy does but actually well done bro.And as a simple starting point rather than it's entire thesis.
>>275237796Is that why most people act like zombies or robots after college
>>275236276>dude, this show totally deconstructed isekai! So deeeeeppppWhat are the chances that this is coming from someone who doesn't even watch isekai at all?
>>275238022Practically 100%.
>>275237994They don't teach anything remotely interesting in college so no wonder your mind goes dullt. university dropout
>>275237796No wonder isekai haters seem to have the IQ of monkeys lol.
>>275238223I hate everything that's popular, it's the opposite of herd instinct.
>>275238022Not OP since I'm not a faggot, but both Sonny Boy and Shield Hero are among my favourites. I can both self-insert into Naoto because I love shields and enacting justice, and accept that I'm knee-deep into escapism and Sonny Boy's message is "please live your real life before it's over".
>>275237796If I don't like something it is bad, if I do, it is good. I am impartial and never wrong.Where is your confidence, bubba?
>>275238172you need to know all these things to start learning the interesting things.
>>275236276Because it is pretentious cuckshit
>>275236670>grow up and stop trying to escape into fictional worldsA shallow message with a shallow delivery. The show has gorgeous art and writing and all, but it's neither thought- nor discussion-provoking, which is precisely why it's not popular.
>>275238698No, they teach you how to learn things in school, that is it's primary function. From there you're free as a bird. College only exists for diplomas.
>>275238712It was never meant to be with the girl who keeps ending up dead. Don't get me wrong Nagara is a shit protagonist but it's another thing they lift from Eva.
>>275238808Interesting things don't happen until you doing the thing universities exist for. Universities do not exist to educate people to even produce graduates. They exist to do research.Once you start doing that, doing cutting-edge work nobody else is doing, that's where it gets interesting.
>>275238875In a perfect world, yes. But this is not a perfect world.
>>275238726It's not discussion provoking because the scenes are so abstract you can get 20 different perspectives on the same scene and have them all be right it ties everything up with a plain and simple moral in the ending that still mind breaks people to this day and gets discussion, but monkey league exists
>>275238931Was this made on MS Paint? Lmao
>>275238726>A shallow messageI disagree. It may seem a simple thing to say, but it's an extremely non-simple thing to DO. The layer of complexity behind why people are entrenched in escapism could take weeks of non-stop debate.>with a shallow deliveryI thought it was sublime, and really spoke to me... even if I don't have the strength nor the willpower to follow its advice.
>>275238931>but monkey league existsDo you have to be american to understand Monkey League?
>>275238904stop sucking and stop going to shitty US universities
Odd taxi was and is so much better than Sonny Boy in retrospect, it's not even funny.More memorable, more indie, better narrative, better characters, better pacing, way more human themes despite the other trying so fucking hard to have realistic characters, better climax and most importantly: not an absolute fuckfest of a worldbuilding.
>>275239024I think it's aimed at the typical anime consuming audience, i.e. teenagers. Watching it as an adult you've already ignored the warnings and I can see how it can breed resentment. It's still cool to reflect on things though, I consoom adolescent media to see how much I've grown as a person since (the answer may surprise you).
>>275239069The director confirmed it was aimed at teenagers.>Watching it as an adult you've already ignored the warnings and I can see how it can breed resentmentI marathoned it in 2022 at 35 after ignoring its threads for months, and I loved it. Conversely, I think it's the younger audience that got filtered the most, since (based on what I've read in /a/) it seems they don't have enough life experience and maturity to really get it, so it feels condescending to them. I think an adult person (in this case the creators) can't properly convey how damaging overindulging in escapism can be to a teenager, because it's the kind of thing you yourself have to go through in order to regret it. To a teen, it'll just seem like condescending rambling.
offscreen developments more interesting than the fag mc
>>275239026I mean I'm an amerimutt and barely understand the point of the speech other that meme story, japs are also big on baseball tho, so you might actually have to live in Japan to get it
>>275239321This is correct on both counts
>>275239100ironically enough the only resentment these days seems to come exactly from the "isekai and escapism le bad" people as an excuse to hate those that came to terms with their lives and are relatively happy as a result
>>275239100>the typical anime consuming audience, i.e. teenagersclueless.
>>275239515Nobody ITT has written what you described, meanwhile we have posts like >>275236982, which exemplify the counterpart.
>>275239551Sorry I meant target audience. I'm well aware of the millions of hopeless manchildren obsessed with chinese porn cartoons.
>>275239567This entire thread is built on that idea anon.>Isekai le bad and needs country-killing LE SUBVERSION because I say so!And then again, ironically the fags that hate le escapism never seem to improve their lives and practice what they preach, they keep impotently seething with the exact same arguments they did over a decade ago since even before SAO aired.
>>275239634OP here I'm genuinely curious why it doesn't get talked about more. I hate isekai on basic principle, yes. But I just hide and ignore isekai threads, I have more sense than to come into threads about things I don't like. Anyway asked the two of my remaining friends if they've seen Sonny Boy and both said WTF is Sonny Boy. Now I'm forcing them to watch it.
>>275239634You wrote:>the only resentment these days seems to come exactly from the "isekai and escapism le bad" people as an excuse to hate those that came to terms with their lives and are relatively happy as a resultBut there is not a single post in this thread that qualifies for the description you gave.You're projecting.
>>275239695because its goyslop for jaded pseuds that sold their souls to demons and thus cant enjoy anything anymore and hate anyone that does
The problem imo with seeing sonny boy as only escapism bad is best sar literally has the ultimate escapist ending, who chose not to go back to "reality" with the mcs and completely detaching from reality to become a literal part of the alt realityThe ending is still escapist in a way since nozomi is still alive in their world, she's dead irl
>>275239609you are still wrong.
>>275239803>forgot sar image
>>275239812Anime is aimed at teens.>>275239782Explain the sold souls to demons part.
>>275239828The fact this is functional jeet propaganda makes it funnier.
>>275239803Wasn't it the clone who died since everyone was a clone?
>>275239828>token saar kid is super good with computersNow I know it's escapist fantasy
>>275239847>Anime is aimed at teens.Teens in Japan are watching anime at 1am on a wednesday when they have club activities the next morning at 7am?I somehow doubt that.
>>275239803>best sar literally has the ultimate escapist endingThis. Mizuho smiling at finding out he became one with the island is acceptance that some people are happiest in fictional worlds.>The ending is still escapist in a way since nozomi is still alive in their world, she's dead irlNo, in their "IRL" Nozomi is very much alive, it's "their" Nozomi who died. While there is no consensus, I believe she's a representation of the kind of people that leave all their old hobbies and interests behind to become someone new, like that highschool friend that's no longer in the group and outgrew everything anyone remembers about them.>>275239863Correct.
>>275239803>The ending is still escapist in a way since nozomi is still alive in their world, she's dead irlNozomi died in the edited copy world, they're back in the "real" real worldI reckon she's gonna die again anyway, because she seems destined to
>>275239847NTA but relatively recent /jp/ schizoposting.Basically by doing certain acts like engaging with modern nig/zoomspeak (both listening and saying/writing it) or fapping lovelessly (aka cooming/gooning) you lose parts of your life force to demons.Effects of this include (but are not limited to) having a sense of sped up time and feeling like days quickly pass by, lethargy even when sleeping properly, brain fog, aversion to shit you enjoyed before ("open game for 15 minutes, do nothing, then close it" syndrome) and an irrational hatred for things and people that still have soul, as well as trying to "fix" those things to remove the "cringe/childish" elements.
>>275239863in the original timeline they came from nozomi will die, she kills herself or something. the place that nozomi's compass lead them to is not the original timeline, that's why she's with the other guy
>>275239979>Basically by doing certain acts like engaging with modern nig/zoomspeak (both listening and saying/writing it) or fapping lovelessly (aka cooming/gooning) you lose parts of your life force to demons.Fuck I'm doomed
>>275239979>relatively recent /jp/ schizopostingno, this is just neopuritan nofap shit repackaged again
>>275236670The average anime watcher just wants to turn his brain off and watch 20 minutes of big tit girl, elf waifu and shy girl form a harem with the blank self-insert protagonist
>>275239863Yes it was a clone of nozomi that died but i mean at that rate if the clone distinction matters is it really escapist if the clones get to escape reality, the irl nagara already was moving on to normalfag life in the middle of sonny boy and didn't get to escape shit
>>275240010nah just dont be a retard fapping without loveeven if youre a haremfag do it for love, not just to ejaculate out of habityou probably havent felt the proper orgasm afterglow in years because of this, you just splurt and go
>>275240028I am cursed to being unable to turn my brain off, so I can only watch most anime whilst drunk. Sonny Boy was so good I marathoned it while sober.
>>275240061like I said, neopuritan nofap shit repackaged for a hypermodern audience based on a music video from like 10 years ago.
>>275240028Upvoted kind saar.
>>275240061>nah just dont be a retard fapping without loveHow does that even work
>>275239979this is literally just Me! Me! Me!can't believe people are falling for this.
>>275240102just think of jesus when you climax bro
>>275239979>depression = demonsglad to know Japan has an equivalent to televangelists
>>275240131Jesus might have fundamental reservations about what I'm doing
>>275240084It's not hard to just not engage with nigspeak anon.If you want to get that spoop effect and are addicted to youtube sloppa, install sponsorblock and watch a lot of your cognitive ability return within 2 days or less, ads are fucking crammed with demonic subliminal messages that make you hemorrhage lifeforce.
>>275240154ah yes, the famous negro word "shit"truly my soul has been forever lost
>>275240028Is that really so though? Or is the industry churning that because they thing it will sell more and don't want to take risks?
Why is escapism bad? If you watch cartoons or anime you almost certainly enjoy engaging in escapism. I can understand why some people find it pretentious when a show made in a medium known specifically for escapism and fantasy tries to say "escapism bad". It's like that annoying kid who thinks he's above the rest when in reality he's the same as the others around him. It's the same shit with Perfect Blue and why lots of people hate on that film.
>>275240202There's an enormous untapped market of anime for people who hate anime
>>275240218>Why is escapism bad?asking questions is antisemitic goy
>>275236276While Eva was definitely influenced by the popular mecha shows before it. Sonny boy has no influence from the popular isekai of today. They are not similar.
>>275240218>Why is escapism bad?it isn't, it is inherently human and has provably been part of human culture for longer than society has existed
>>275240218>Why is escapism bad? If you watch cartoons or anime you almost certainly enjoy engaging in escapism.Entertainment can be more than escapism, it's what we call art. Makes you feel shit, makes you think about shit. It's a pretty cool concept.
>>275240202I personally think the industry does it aiming to sell merch, the bizarre thing being that One Piece by far sells the most merch of any anime ever by a large margin yet no anime tries to replicate what it does, instead always opting for isekai/harems for some reason.
>>275240223If that were true westoid slop wouldn't be flopping left and right and both solo gook and CSM would have sold a good amount of BDs.
>>275240218because it doesn't actually work and you delude yourself into thinking it does.
>>275236276You can't fix isekai anime without a time machine where you kill everyone involved with the making of dragon quest in 1985. But the original more portal fiction type isekai still exist and have always existed. Like a relic population.
>>275240218Sonny boy isn't saying what you think it is saying.You are being mad at your own imagination.
>>275240255I love MAPPA's CSM, unironically
>>275240248>Makes you feel shit, makes you think about shit.this country killing genre got stale as shitthe generic message of DA REEL WORLD IS LE DOGGY DOG DOGGY DOGGED has been parroted for almost 2 decades straight at this point with no real innovation whatsoever
>>275240278And here come the goylems parroting the DQ meme despite to this day them having zero examples of the proto isekai.
>>275240288Sorry I can't understand what you're saying.
>>275240223Someone on their corporate board thinks so too
>>275240278I think the world would be a better place if Dragon Quest never existed
>>275240218Not all anime has to be made for the exact same audience.This is the reason why we have so many garbage carbon-copy isekai shows.
>>275240360the otaku paradoxsomehow all of them are either losers living off neetbux or salarymen living paycheck to paycheck, yet they seem to have the money to keep multiple industries no only afloat but thriving absurdly well to the point they are the only demographic that gets pandered to
>>275240414Isn't actually really difficult to get government neetbux in Jaypan?
>>275240360If they were really made for the same audience they would not be so poorly made. They are chasing the SAO market so they should aim for SAO quality, right?If not SAO any of the first isekai anime are still far above the seasonal spam.
>>275240320He obliviously means these ideas are clear shade.
>>275238808>they teach you how to learn things in school, that is it's primary function>they teach you how to learn things in school>they teach you how to learn things>in schoolHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIT
>>275240218>Why is escapism bad?In principle? It isn't.In practice? Because a LOT of people overindulge in it, which rewards avoidant behaviors that make it more difficult to process and tackle every day life, further weakening your strength and resolve, on top of eroding social connections by making everyone stick to virtuality. This isn't just about anime though, there's also series, movies, books, social media doomscrolling, livestreaming, podcasts, and even so called "friend simulator" content.
>>275240474There is no reason to be as high quality as SAO if a bunch of people will watch your stuff just because it reminds them of SAO.
>>275240462Yes, most NEETs in Japan are either "erito neeto" (i.e. retired salarymen living of saivngs) or almost infinitely more commonly people mooching off their parents (politely referred to as "still finding yourself / your path").
>>275236982>tomboy catgirlsSerious question, what isekai anime of the past 4 seasons has had this?
>>275240414Anime is notoriously insular with both the audience and the creators mainly only consuming anime related stuff.That's why it doesn't really matter what that person do for a living or who they are as a person, they are all used to the same exact stuff regardless.
>>275240316You're a moron. There's already two Dragon Quest isekai that led directly to Rayearth taking the piss with their formula in 1993.
>>275240503I went to an elite school, sorry for your loss.
>>275240516I disagree somewhat. Different lifestyles suit different people. Not everyone is going to benefit from the archetypical "normal" lifestyle.There are people who are more content simply doing less. Not everyone is happiest travelling the world and meeting new people etc. Not to say you shouldn't try different things to see what you like I just think some people really are happiest just being left alone to do what they want to do and maybe interacting with a handful of important people in their lives.
>>275240489What does "clear shade" mean in this context?
>>275240853cliche
>>275240874Fuck I'm dumb.
>>275240851I agree. You literally just described me. But most people I've met aren't like me and can't wrap their head around me living like a digital hermit... yet they still engage in levels of escapism that gets in the way of their own goals they openly share.
>>275236276It's boring.
>>275236276
>>275240851It's not escapism if you are not escaping from something.
>>275241055It was never boring. Character drama is interesting and new worlds keep it fresh.
>>275236276The Cuck final ruined it
>>275241069Saved.
>>275241099Only because you self-inserted.
>>275241069>infinite lifenot if you lose your sanity and turn into an inanimate objectIsn't it also limited by your imagination?
>>275239828does he eat shit in the anime?
>>275241099>Self inserting as NagaraI shiggy this diggy, plus Mizuho was clearly best girl
>>275241077Boring slop, with Eva I get to see mechas and tits alongside the author jerking off to how smart he is, Sonny boy is just a small dicked jap jerking off for 12 episodes.
>>275241148You know what, it could have used more tits.
>>275236276Having anything at all to do with isekai means I'm already out. I'm sure a lot of others feel the same way
>>275241230They don't get transported to a DQ style JRPG world even once, don't worry,
REAL SONNY BOYAND A REAL HEROAlso the music was really goodhttps://youtu.be/DvNVdo8Tchw
>>275241279Yes, but I don't get people praising the animation. It clearly was too ambitious for the budget.
>>275241230It's isekai in the same way something like Spirited Away is isekai. They do go to another world but it is not related to the current isekai trend at all.
>>275241319I wouldn't say the animation is anything special.But it does have a unique artstyle that it sticks to throughout that gives it special character. I personally really like how it looks.
>>275236276>cuckshit endingThat's the reason I never even started this slop and never will. Imagine only finding out after watching week to week instead of getting redpilled about it from the start. Anons helped me dodge a bullet. Same with Erased.
>>275241413Erased didn't a love interest though.
>>275241413>filtered by the show of the decade because he can't stop self-inserting
>>275241413Don't worry he gets best girl in the end
>>275241319Seeing anything that looks unique and descent is so refreshing.
>>275236276I wasn't going to watch it because it looks like some run of the mill shoujo and now I'm not going to watch it because it's isekai
>>275241526It's pretty unique and you should watch it. AotD so far.
>>275241526How do you even get the idea that it's either of those things?
>>275241111>>275241146No? It was out of nowhere the two in the end.
>>275241503rotoscope is far from refreshing
>>275236276>Evangelion did to Mecha.did SonBoi get a movie edition which made it worse?
>>275241592You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
>>275241613We can only hope
>>275236276>dumb bitch betrays her based spirit cats to "embrace reality"Why is this allowed? What a cunt.
>>275241576If you think it was out of nowhere I don't think you watched the show.He obviously liked her throughout the show and she liked him enough to be his friend for most of it.The ending also doesn't definitely say they are dating.
>>275241653They were the copies, real cats are back in the real world and the oldest dies.
>>275241686>The ending also doesn't definitely say they are dating.She's clearly dating Asakaze in the end although it's not explained how he changed to be likeable.
>>275241723He doesn't gain powers so his ego doesn't grow excessively.
>>275241695That's shit though. The message of embracing cruel reality because "it's heckin real and that's all that matters" is so stupid. Are you telling me if you had one of those Star Trek holodecks you wouldn't spend all your time in there fucking your waifu while cat bros brought you digital MDMA?
>>275241743Oh that makes sense, although he's a prick from EP1.>>275241768I certainly would for a time. But masturbation best is enjoyed in moderation. I wouldn't stay forever.
>>275241279I loved the ost, that song was one of my favorites toohttps://youtu.be/bQczMyPc12I?si=S_4N_0Mfz8t32AFghttps://youtu.be/HSDdRxAEdcs?si=qwPp0QCTMn1dweVo
>>275241069>Nagara has a tough first job and doesn't pick up the first crush he hadOh no, his life is over...
>>275241768I think you're missing the point. The Indian guy who is really level-headed but decides to stay. The message isn't really escapism bad.
>>275237130>tell you a) faggotry and b) thinly veiled faggotryshut the fuck up you faggot. go watch more anime
>>275241490>>filteredanon, you are supposed to learn what it means before using that word!
>>275242625There is no better definition of filtered than avoiding a show because a subject matter scares you.
>>275242654>scares youhe said that?
>>275242678Yes.
>>275240154Literal schizophrenia.Ads are brain drain but if you think demons are using them to harvest your soul you straight up need to do some philosophical questioning of your basis for believing things are true.Hint: "It feels like it to me" is a really bad metric for truth since our own personal mental states blind us to reality all the time.Read some books, research philosophy. The cure to a sick mind is not to just blindly follow the masses or your own "demons".
>>275242413Speaking of which, where did they shit once they got out of the school?
>180 posts in and nobody posts the Monkey League pastaWhat a shame
>>275242895post or link archive
>>275242859>just consoom demon approved facts brokill yourself demon worshiperyou will not use my soul to open the gates to hell
>>275237130>GROW UP ALREADY, STOP ENJOYING LIFE..Do demons really?
>>275243118Anon... you are the demons
>>275241768>frying your brain on psychadelics is peak enjoymentNever had a bad trip before? You're on a rollercoaster and you can't go up forever. The higher you fly the farther you fall. Shit balances out. Is it worth it once or twice? Sure, but eventually what's the point?Companionship is more than getting your dick wet, so your waifu cat boy slaves aren't going to cut it.I dunno how to put it, cheap thrills are monotonous and unrewarding at best and catastrophic, life-ruining at worst.Not saying hedonism isn't a valid way of looking at it, but a well-versed hedonist understands that enjoyment requires balance and effort.
>>275242859>Literal schizophrenia.What part of "recent /jp/ schizoposting" do you not understand?
>>275236557The only people who say this are people who have only watched Eva and maybe TTGL
>>27524216530% of nip never have alover in their life90% of nips live paycheck per paycheck with undesired jobsHope he is feeling lucky.
>>275242895It's a baseball league here in the world of Monkey Mountain,played by the great monkeys, which started when the first ball and batand the rules of the game were handed down to them.In the Monkey League, a number of great players arosefrom among the nameless monkeys,whose faces and appearances all looked the same.They included the legendary home run king,who batted an unprecedented, record-breaking80 home runs in one year, Steroid Monkey;the one who bested the god of batting, Monkey River's career batting averageby two thousandths, the miracle hitting machine, Upper Monkey;the greatest catcher of the Bigfoot era, Mister Monkey;later, as manager, he would go on to break the record for most league wins,with a legendary ten-season-long streak!Then came the golden age of the M-League.A miracle monkey came alongand shattered those previous legends one by one--the monster, Monkey Blue!This maverick of the league was the only one with blue hair,who, despite weathering ugly discrimination and crafty persecution,triumphed over them with overwhelming talent, ultimately becoming a hero,and a symbol of hope for the monkeys!Although a rookie, Blue put the brakes to the king, Steroid Monkey!Breaking his bat as well as his heart, Blue drove him to retirement.Then, with his mighty pitching arm,Blue led the underdog team Monkey and Club to victory,preventing Bigfoot's championship streak from reaching 11.The public accepted this new hair color,and there was no doubt in anybody's mindthat the era of Monkey Blue had begun! But then......that great tragedy, when a near-perfect game was foiled,and a monkey was killed, took place!
>>275243335The 10% are Jomon master raceNagara is NGMI
>>275243335>>275240414
>>275240414>>275244037"living paycheck to paycheck" is a meaningless term.If I spend $20000 a month on anime merch and I make $20000 a month I would be living paycheck to paycheck.
>>275240414It's almost like that's just a westoid propaganda talking point to cope about their own collapsing industries or something.
>>275244161>common jp salarymen have the luxury of spending thousands per month on their hobbies>westoid "richfags" struggle to buy a single rtx 5090 despite months of savings and have to cope with jeet key sites to buy games for cheap>jpfags are supposed to be the poors here
>>275244161It means you're unable to save money even if you try due to living expenses.
>>275244475If people couldn't afford XX90s Nvidislop Nividijews would be MSRPing them at $1000 not $2000So they clearly sell well at that price
>>275242859You would be surprised how easy it is to make a pact with the devil. Once he has your soul you experience time much faster so you have less time to reclaim it. If you still control your soul time goes slower, or at least compared to those that lost it. I mean you still might experience normal time fluctuations, but not "I opened 4chan and now 2 hours are gone despite only making 2 posts". Here’s the thing if you did sell your soul that is the hint you need you can get it back. Why else would the devil speed up time? Take the time to research how to get it back. By the way this is the devils world. He controls it. Your soul is not his but he tries to trap them here by making you think your soul is his and why he constantly spreads propaganda to make you hate any alternative of fucking off this bird cage.
>>275244602Sounds like you need Gnosticism in your lifeToo bad it's so Heretical nobody knows what the fuck Gnosticism even is anymore
>>275244587You ignorant retard, the price is so high because how many governments will buy it. Basically everything in Antarctica or dealing with military analysis is using nvidia cards. Their stock will just keep rising and rising.
>>275244696Not really, they have a dedicated data center hardware line. 90s cards are "prosumer" at best.
>>275244660gnosticism has always been a spook to confuse peoplethe only thing thats true from it is demons using this world to harvest life force and iq
>>275244787You should be listening to your parents/doctor and taking your meds schizo, it's the only way to avoid your demons in any way
>>275244787I can believe that, hasn't happened to me though because Jesus Christ is my nigga
i didn't hate it, i didn't love itit alright
>>275236276The NTR ending and retrograding of the MC's character development ruined everything
>>275245636If you didn't get it, just say so.
>>275245636Nagara was never gonna get the girl, just look at him
>>275245636>female validating characters I self-insert as is character developmentMCs character wasn't about acquiring love but overcoming his apathy towards existence
>>275245636Not at all, he was able to move on and not tie his self-worth to her. And for the sake of the argument, even if he still wanted to get with her he still can do so if he so desired. But after experiencing all those "worlds" he's now equipped to tackle life, face his fears, knowing that there's always a light at the end of the tunnel.
>>275246444what did that change?
>>275246510he started to look at things with a little bit more positivity unlike jaded faggots that post here
>>275245636Why didn't the writers just pair him up with best girl Mizuho?
>>275246448>>275246531>He got brainwashed into being a good wagie that doesn't complain, and this is a good thing, because it doesn't remind other wagies of their failed dreams.I almost feel pity for soulless goylems.Almost.
>>275246538It's open to interpretation, Mizuho's cats die and Nagara is there for her
>>275246554Yes, your first job is gonna suck, what else is new
>anime for people that don't like anime, used to like anime but don't anymore or just hate almost everyone that likes animeIt was boring just like every other time someone tried to do this
>>275246582>never change anything goy, stop trying to improve anything and submit to demonic influencegrim
>>275246692That's the opposite of what it's trying to say.>>275246630I wish there was more.
>>275246692A loser and racist.Damn who could have seen this one coming
>>275246630>if a show isn’t exclusively conflictless wishfullfillment then it is for people who hate animeWatch more anime
>>275246716Hello racist here too, are you a longnoser? Please confirm so I can readily dismiss any criticism you have made of Sonny Boy.
>>275246711>>275246745Dilate your roastie folds before posting.
>>275246692>>275246763Some of you racist bros are OK, let's hang out and be racist together.
>>275246711>>275246745I wish you would stop watching a medium you clearly dislike or at least resent or at least stop posting here about it.
kind of interesting that jews were brought up in this discussionjews want braindead entertainment like isekai and harems to control goyim
>>275246779>I wish you would stop watching a medium you clearly dislike or at least resent or at least stop posting here about it.I only watch good anime. It's an uphill battle.
>>275246554It the exact opposite.Escapist media exist so that the everyday person doesn’t start to think they can do more with their life.The escapist media works as a vent for all their frustration in life so that they don’t try to change the status quo.Having art that shows the mundanity of normal life is the best way to get people to want to change.
>>275246779I love anime.Which is why I like it when anime is good.
>>275246820how come the antiescapism fags are always the ones stopping people from doing anything good then? why are they also always the ones attacking anyone that are just happy with life instead of being as miserable as they are?
>>275246856>doing anything goodescapistfags are genuinely evil people stuck in their NPD fantasies, you cannot do anything good
>>275246856I feel like you are projecting here.This entire thread is full of people mad at the show for how it ends because they take it as a personal insult.
>>275246849>>275246804Enjoy your miserable lives then. I'm going back to watching one of the 26 shows I'm enjoying this season.
>>275236276>killed off least mopey character early>ending was pure garbage
>>275246776Pic related.>>275246803I always suspected the followers of Satan were behind all the Sonny Boy slander.>>275246906This. All jokes aside Sonny Boy threads are always filled with people who take the ending as a personal attack for some reason.
>>275246923Cool story bro
>>275246888What evil? Not making money for their overlords?>>275246803It's almost like it's not mindless or something, otherwise westoids wouldn't attack it so much.
>>275246936Nagara should have stayed 1000 years and fucked Mizuho until they had to put her in a wheelchairTHEN go back to reality
>>275239803Raj is the only based escapist, the people who spam about it and seethe still rely on society and still participate in regular reality, social media like 4chan, technology giving them access to stuff society makes, etc. They're hardly escaping from anything, just pretending their little pocket of the world isn't still connected to the rest and that they don't rely on the people they hate.
niggas be like escapism le bad but waste all their waking hours through escapism on social media like 4chan, reddit, tiktok, twitter, youtube, etctruly the new age version of boomers crying vidya le bad and a waste of time while doing nothing but watch reality tv all day
>>275247582You can admit something is bad for you and still indulge in it. For example, it's bad for me to read your retarded faggot drivel, BUT it's also fun and makes me chuckle, so I do it anyway.
>>275248029>*excuses excuses cope excuses*kekpractice what you preach
>>275248112No.
>>275236276pretentious and in retrospect extremely overrated
>name makes no sense>it's just ESCAPISM BAD.... even though they're not even guilty of escapism if anything victims>overly pretentious plot and a lot of unlikeable characters with 3 likeable characters>MC turned into wagie cuck when he could've lived forever in a world in which, by the end of the show, all the clones had made an Utopia city where they lived peacefully and had everything thanks to amazon delivery girlhonestly the show was shit because it threw so much at the wall and hoped stuff sticked but never elaborated or worked with anything. just ESCAPISM BAD and that's itit was retarded. God never ever explained why he created the clones
>NTR ending no thanks. overrated trashSamurai Flamenco remains king of generally liked /a/ animes
this is one of the worst threads I've ever seen
>>275246774>>275246779the amount of seethe at this post lmao
If you legitimately think Sonny Boy was a commentary on escapism, I'm sorry, you COMPLETELY missed the point, and you HAVE been filtered.
>>275248669It's about personal growth really. But also escapism.
>>275248986the show never really tried to make a clear stance on escapism >mr dog was in the alt reality for 1000s of years and didn't want to go back>raj stays in the alt reality and becomes part of it>one of the students kills himself when he finally stops distracting himself everyday (wrestling episode)>another kid turns himself into an electric chair and also kys after getting sick of the alt worlds>nagara escapes to a fake world where nozomi is still alive, but it still resembles real lifeyou could probably spin the monkey league to be for or against escapism depending on how you look at it, it's just not that cut and dry really
>>275249610Nagara is for better or worse the protagonist and he decides to go back with Mizuho, and if Nozomi was alive she'd go with them.>nagara escapes to a fake world where nozomi is still alive, but it still resembles real lifeI need to rewatch it, but I think that's the real world just with probability dice that landed the other way.
>>275236769I'd say that Odd Taxi could be contender and that's all. This decade is grim so far, nothing comparing with previous where were Madoka, Penguindrum, Psycho Pass, Shinsekai Yori at least for the same period of 5 years into decade.
>>275249701>I think that's the real world just with probability dice that landed the other way.I assumed it was a copy of reality in the alt dimensions, not them actually changing reality to where nozomi lived, since the compasses from nozomi's powers still existed there.
>>275250349I guess that depends if it was Nagara's power or Mizuho's cats that isekai'd them, since there isn't a second Nagara walking around they aren't copies.
>>275250386Didn't they merge with their selves of that world?
>>275236276Because most weeaboos want slop instead of actual kino. Simple as.This show is destined to live on whispered in the same breath as LOGH, Mushishi, Perfect Blue and so on.
>>275236670>>275236769This and Odd Taxi are the two truly great originals of the decade so far. There's been some ok stuff, but these are the two that stand out. It's already half over and we have two shows to show for it.
>>275250534>Because most weeaboos want slop instead of actual kino. Simple as.Hadn't even read the thread before I replied kekCase in point: >>275236982This is LITERALLY and UNIRONICALLY the weeaboo mentality.
>>275250574>Hadn't even read the thread before I replied kekThat's the correct attitude
>>275238712>cuckshitAnyone who calls this or Erased cuckshit is destined to be a loser that will regret his decisions on his dying bed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSDdRxAEdcs
>>275250594Well, anyone who sincerely believes it's cuckshit, that is. If it's just trolling, it's a different story.
>>275250553I liked Akudama Drive
>>275250062>Shinsekai YoriI love it but I'm still mad.
>>275249701i think either way tho, even if you look at just nagara actions only, if it was truly escapism bad, he'd have found a way to go back to a reality with no changes. He literally did get his wish fulfilled and got a world where nozomi was still alive, and even if the rest of the world was realistic, he did escape true reality where he'd never see nozomi again.Nagara chose this path after seeing all the shit the other characters went through across the show, I wouldn't dismiss the other scenes or less important because it isn't the protag scenes
>>275250636It was fine. Same as ID:Invaded.
>>275250663And the one about the Blue Haired Girl Idol Robot. Forgot the name off hand. Sonny Boy and Odd Taxi are for me the ones that truly stuck, though.
>>275236982Uh oh. Based.
>>275250062>>275250553>>275250663Agreed. Crazy how they aired in the same year. Sure, there are quite a few more anime that stood out, but Sonny Boy and Odd Taxi are both one of a kind.
>>275236982>>275250680You shouldn't feel intimidated by people not being mindless slop consumers like you. No need for the spite. No one's gonna take your low effort slop from you. Eat away, piggy.
Why has this anime triggered so many isekaifags?
>>275250754They were waiting for the JRPG world to show up and never got to see it
I mean, it's decently popular as it is on top of being a very good showIt kind of feels like FLCL what with being an angsty coming of age story with non-straightforward presentation and a great soundtrackThat said I don't get why it has a reputation for being obtuse or 2deep4u.I felt that the metaphors it uses and even the message it tells is super straightforward.>World where everything is controlled, you have no freedom, some people becoming extremely talented to the point of superpower, but where your every need is met and there is no real danger which they leave for:>World where you have freedom, responsibilities, potential, the risk of death, the struggle to eke out an existenceDo they literally have to spell it out for people that it's talking about the ennui of japanese middleschool and highschool and graduating into adult life?
>>275251607I think people who are insecure about their own taste attack abstraction at all.The people who attack tryhards and the tryhards putting on performative taste are just the inverse of one another.
>>275251607>That said I don't get why it has a reputation for being obtuse or 2deep4u.I mean, setting aside theme the actual plot and chronology is objectively very complex
>>275250534>implying that LOTGH isn't slop
>>275236276IWhen we call Evangelion "mecha", we mean a lot more than a single trope. Also, "being isekai'd is suffering" is nothing new, even among generic fantasy slop.
>>275252292>When we call Evangelion "mecha", we mean a lot more than a single tropeNo, you mean it has mechs in it>Also, "being isekai'd is suffering" is nothing newThat is not the premise of Sonny Boy
>>275236276Requires IQ
>>275252218>implying average slop consumer can sit through the 110 episodes of talking heads
So is this dude just going around comparing isekai with everything?
>>275252218>implying that anime isn't slop by definition
>>275236276What does gay manhwa about two korean neighbour faggots has to do with isekai?
>>275252844More important question: how do you know about this faggy korean manhwa?
>>275236276It's not really that good. But then again, most of the "classics" praised around here isn't even worth half the praise they get, so obviously this one will also be overrated by retards for the years to come.
>>275236276Drifting Classroom for dummies.
>>275236276I just enjoyed the visuals and the music, didn't really care about the message.
>>275253217Name good
>>275236276>it's slow and mildly whacky so it's... LE DEEP!
>>275236670>SO DEEP AND NOVEL!!!holy shit watch more anime
>>275236276unfun and cucked Abenobashi
>>275254185Little niggy, I've been on /a/ discussing anime before your mother failed to abort you and ran my anime club for 15 years until the pandemic nuked it.
>>275245636This is what the fuck gets me about artsy pieces of shit that touch upon muh teenage abandonment and the likeI know this little fggot here thinks the world owns him something and how society is akshually the villain, so i guess he deserves it but why the rug pulling then? so that it doesnt end like another quote on quote generic isekai/romcom? how retarded
>>275254583Literally nothing you wrote is true, which isn't surprising because you write like a 70 IQ poojeet so clearly you didn't get nor understand this anime at all. Keep seething though.
>Satan postingNot reading that
>>275236276All else aside, subversions are not automatically deconstructions. This is not equivalent to Eva remotely.
>>275254842its also not a subversion unless you count "not really isekai but more like a shittier inception" to be subversive
>>275236276Because Evangelion was very well made visually, some of the best talents avalible at the time were wasted on making it.While Sonny boy, overall, looks pretty meh. Also, nobody cares about the plot.
huh I thought this was going to be a stealth david lynch thread
>>275236276>Why do the pigs not like this?>It isn't slopYou should have this figured out by now
>>275236557>focus on character dramaisekai is a genre for straight autistic nerds. only women and gay men care about character drama, deconstructions, and subversion of tropes.
>>275255554well it did end up full of the same kind of pretentious 2deep4u faggots that david lynch movies attract.
>>275255889do you count trannies in women or gay men
This isn’t even REMOTELY an isekai you fucking secondary know-nothings. It’s like calling a Superman comic science-fiction.
>>275255783Well said.>>275255970Neither, they're not human anymore.
>>275256039but my favorite video essay slopper said!...
>>275256039It's not an isekai if your definition of isekai is being similar to SAO, re:zero, Mushoku Tensei etc.But they do travel to another world so it is as much of an isekai as Escaflowne, Spirited away, Dunbine, Narnia etc.
I hate when people try to read shit into this show or declare what it's "message" is.you're a retardno one cares what your take is on what the show is about (it's probably some stupid fucking idea you use modern internetspeak to try to communicate anyways)
>>275256317If you don't like talking about anime, then why are you here?
>>275255970yes, though their tastes and aesthetic are obviously abnormal either way and not counted towards overall genre standards.
>>275255889>isekai is a genre for straight autistic nerdsThen why are there so many "I was reincarnated as the villainess from my favorite otome game" stories?
>>275256336that's a good question, I should have stopped coming to this shithole a decade ago.but there are ways to discuss a work beyond bad attempts at simplifying it into one sentence that you think its intended "meaning" is.Sonny Boy attracts this retard behaviour more than any show, probably because it's always trying to let the viewer think for themselves about what's going on
>>275256336do you consider the equivalent of saying >the curtains are le blue because it's a le sad scene about trannies feeling le sadand expecting a trophy for such in depth commentary to be "talking about anime"?
>>275256512Good thing no one is saying anything equivalent to that then.
>>275256512why are you obsessed with transsexuals, reddit-san?
>>275256535OP literally did lol
>>275256557Incorrectly comparing a show to eva has nothing in common with colour symbolism or trannies.
>>275256587>westoids cant into analogiesunsurprisingthen again acknowledging reddit boy's "le escapism is le bad" gimmick is exactly the kind of barebones surface level "discussion" im talking about
>>275256716My point is that they aren't analogous.You can't just call anything an analogy even when there is no commonality.
>>275256312That’s not what isekai is. It’s a specific collection of tropes which taken together which manifests as the genre. Besides the other world, JRPG-like game world, cheat power, party, harem, demon king, hero, adventurer guild, dungeons, etc. You don’t need all of the tropes just a sufficient number of them which any JP fan would instantly identify as an “isekai”. No isekai fan would consider Sonny Boy even tangentially isekai.
>>275257009>muh tropeslollmao even
>>275257009I think you are confusing isekai with narou-kei.
>>275257009Isekai is a premise, it's not a genre.
>>275257102Both are westoid propaganda buzzwords at this point, why does it matter?
>>275257196>westoid propaganda buzzwords Why is there a japanese wikipedia page about it then?https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E7%B3%BB
>>275257196Are you mentally ill?How would most westerners even know about shousetsu?
>>275257245>trusting wikipedialollmao evenhello glowie
>>275257323>How would most westerners even know about shousetsu?because ecelebs keep mentioning it to continue propagating their japan bad propaganda?
>>275257385anon, it is an argument based on the existence of the page, not the contents.
>>275257421After the whole yasuke and encyclopedia brittanica self-sourcing fiasco I don't trust any academia, period, this includes wikipedia.Neither should you.
>>275257416I don't think you can write compelling Japan bad propaganda by talking about shousetsu any more than you can write west bad propaganda based on ao3.also the term was around before westerners used it.
>>275257449Your argument is based on content, but for this purpose we are not really interested in what the page itself says. What is relevant is the existence of the page at all and you can even check when it was made, which ought to predate any mention of the term in the west.You need to approach this kind of analysis as archaeology.
>>275257454you are trying too hard to avoid the fact that "definition" is wrong even on the jp page
>>275257531this is like arguing using "sus" in some trannylation of some rando medieval manga (not even isekai, think berserk) is completely justified because it's technically been a word since the 1800swhich then again, is an argument i have heard before and wouldn't surprise me
>>275257542This looks entirely correct to me.What did you think it meant?
>>275257575No, it would be like deciphering WHY someone made the decision to include the term "sus" in a translation three years ago.And again, we can use this approach to figure it out. There was a sudden spike in usage of the term "sus" and this is likely related to the inclusion in the translation.It is not about justifying, it is about understanding. There is no need to make a value judgment.
>>275257593Yet nobody can find any examples of this proto-isekai, how curious.
>>275257686Are you confused about the subject of the conversation? We are talking about なろう系, not "proto-isekai".
>>275257722people itt are using both terms interchangeably bro
>>275257812Now you understand the subject of the conversation you have been a part of for at least 5 posts.Isekai is not in fact the same as naroukei.Isekai is a story premise, naroukei is a genre.Many isekai are naroukei, because one of the most popular and influential stories on shousetsu was an isekai, but not all isekai are. And not all naroukei is isekai either.
>>275257245>someone in 2018 with hiragana name made the page as a redirect>no activity for 2 years>then in 2020 onward 90% of the activity is from romaji usernames and western IPsinteresting
>>275257926If you are already digging like that, you might as well read the original version of the page from 2020https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E7%B3%BB&oldid=77093587
>>275258031>>275257926reading that page, you will find a Japanese article from 2016 where they write about this subject as well.https://newswitch.jp/p/3121
>>275258031>The term refers to authors who debuted after winning literary prizes on the web novel submission site “Shosetsu-ka Narou,” as well as works by those authors. In addition, authors and works that have similar tendencies to these [1].”that says pretty much nothingalso the fuck it means about literary prizes? it's a place anyone can upload stuff to>The general term for the kind of stories that are popular on the Novelist's Letter website, in which an ordinary protagonist goes to another world or is reincarnated there and is suddenly treated as a hero.that's just the proto-isekai example nobody can find any examples of>A typical story is one in which the protagonist is reincarnated into another world due to an accident, gains special abilities such as magic, and takes an active part by utilizing his knowledge of modern civilization [3].”that's slightly less hallucinated but "utilizing his knowledge of modern civilization" is surprisingly are, pretty much only arifureta and NGNL does it, and the latter was not even from narou> “Otherworldly” stories submitted to ‘Novelist Naro’ and published in book form are sometimes referred to as ‘Naro kei,’ which is derived from the name of the site[4].”that's once again a vague clinical description> The term “Naro” is also often used to describe works in which the main character is reincarnated in another world and develops so-called “cheats.that's just the evolved version of the proto-isekai meme with no examples>The term is sometimes used in a derogatory way for its easy development [1], and Takayuki Ohashi says that we need to be careful [6].hold on that name sounds familiar>Takayuki Ohashi (December 24, 1978) is a Japanese literary scholar. He is a light novelist and novelist. Born in Niigata Prefecture[1]. isn't this THE pissy "otaku bad" guy that is still malding his literal who artsy fartsy shit doesn't sell?
>>275258192dekinai
>>27525821399.9% of modern /a/ is EOP roaches, im just opening the discussion to everyone>>275258119>The Rise of the “Naro” Novel. One Form of “Production-Consumer” Born of the “Information Revolution well that once again says little> Recently, the term “Narokei” has been coined in the publishing world. The term refers to a group of popular works on the online submission site “Shosetsu-ka Naro” (Novelist's Alert). >Some of them are published commercially every month and have been used as the basis for manga and animation programs. another clinical definition>Among them, the “naroi-kei” works tend to be about making up for unfulfilled desires.Typical examples are stories in which the characters are reincarnated in a different world due to an accident, gain special abilities such as magic, and use their knowledge of modern civilization to play an active role in the world. like fucking which?>The site clearly shows the cumulative rating points of registered general readers for each work.Publishers can determine the quality and popularity of a work before publishing it.Although this method is different from the method used by veteran writers to select new writers for literary magazines, it has a high probability of producing a hit work. This is a method that does not require the traditional “connoisseurship” of an editor.this is just going to be whining about how this type of publishing BTFOd the "muh literature" gatekeeping of the late 10s isn't it?>It must be noted that the boundary between author (writer) and reader (recipient) has become more blurred than ever before through the Internet.Many authors are inspired by popular works that have preceded them and start writing their own.motherfucker this is hardly new, people have been doing it since literally the dawn of humanityeven within otaku culture shit like the OG rance was the result of this
>>275258380You don't understand literary analysis and that's okay. You just want to argue about something.
>>275258380>This is similar to the concentration of small and medium-sized enterprises in Tokyo's Ota Ward, where skilled craftsmen have repeatedly established themselves and established businesses.It can also be thought of as a new form of inexpensive, multi-purpose production of literary books, which until now have been uniformly copied as “one-offs” by famous authors.CALLED ITknew it was just going to be bitching from stagnant old farts>There are other sites for novel submissions. Similar systems also exist in music and design.In 1980, American futurist Alvin Toffler predicted in “The Third Wave” the rise of “production-consumers” who simultaneously produce and consume. The image of readers doubling as authors and their economic activities is one of the products of the information revolution advocated by Toffler.that's basically just off-topic to this entire thing>>275258440what literary analysis? it's literally just "sheeple can decide what is a hit by meritocratic systems and are no longer buying my slop, here is why that's a bad thing"
>>275258479>what literary analysis?your approach to looking at this is fundamentally incurious, because you are hung up on what the stories are and the fact that they are bad, when the interesting part of these stories isn't that they're bad or what's in them. What is interesting about isekai fiction is the relationship of the stories with each other.
>>275258479>that's basically just off-topic to this entire thingno, it's the central thesis statement of the article and indeed the key idea of modern internet platforms like shousetsu, instagram, tiktok or youtube. The consumer is also an author. And this has immediate consequences on the media that is being produced. You seem like a very anti-intellectual person, if you won't at least stop for a moment to consider this thought.
>>275258522>What is interesting about isekai fiction is the relationship of the stories with each other.What relationship when just from the overlord era alone there were like 8 different sub-genres all with different executions even within the same sub-genre? At that point it's just obvious anti-japan people keep trying to lump everything together into a single umbrella to be racist against all of it at once like how westoids did with "JRPG" in the 90s.
>>275258574>The consumer is also an author. And this has immediate consequences on the media that is being produced.again, this has been a thing since times immemorialeven anno which gets wanked by this exact type of fart huffer pseud does name his multiple inspirations for evait's not new, why are you trying to shill it as new?
>>275258576I cannot believe the isekai defener has no actual interest in isekai media.
>>275258609>defenerDo not redeem saar.
>>275258642it's a meme from ca. 2013 /mu/, you wouldn't understand newfag.
>>275258608The difference is that Anno was interested in a lot of different things not just other mecha anime and all of his interests inspired Eva.Anno actually talks about a similar concept for the people creating anime, that he thinks that modern anime creators only watch other anime and not much else.
>>275258664>unironically outing yourself as a touristngmi
>>275258608>again, this has been a thing since times immemorialSure has. But why is it different enough to be worth mentioning in this context?Think about that question.
>>275258699that's what i have been asking you for the last 4 replies, you don't know why do you? are you just expecting me to write your argument for you?>>275258684>animethought this was about LNs from narou specifically?
>>275258733Yes, which is why I said >Anno actually talks about a similar concept for the people creating animeBy which I meant Anno has talked about the same phenomenon being present in anime creation not just exclusively LN and WN.
>>275258822Ironic anno is the one used as an example of muh variety when anime originals were literally nothing but samey mechaslop and romcoms.Which mind you continued being an issue all the way until trannypunk made trigger do something different for once a few years ago, only for them to slip right back to the exact same rut as always anyway.Meanwhile even within narou releases a single year of novels gives you more variety than a literal decade of anime originals.
>>275258733You are just being beligerent for no reason and you know that too. The difference with shousetsu (and the modern internet) is the barrier to entry.You can just write something and put it shousetsu, anyone can do this. This means the process of ideas cannibalizing themselves is accelerated to a ridiculous degrees, trends start forming and collapsing under their own weight in no time at all.It's the rate of turnover. Getting a traditional LN published is a long and tedious process. Putting something on shousetsu is not, which means mutations of an original idea will quickly appear and flood the site and then these mutations will in turn mutate until you end up at >>275258576, where you have 8 different subgenres with even more granular divisions within.It's rapid turnover. It is the compression of time. that makes it interesting and worth studying, because this is important to other fields, like the study of folklore.You can compress thousands of years into a decade and all the pieces are archived.>>275258684>>275258822You mean Hayao "anime was a mistake" Miyazaki.>>275258733>thought this was about LNs from narou specifically?if you can't think about relationships between things in terms of how other things have similar relationships to each other, then you are not a full human
>>275258917>Getting a traditional LN published is a long and tedious process.Even back then publishers took in anyone that could write more than 2 volumes a year, which is what caused the battle harem virgin dark ages.Why are you trying to act like an expect while being so ignorant of obvious stuff?> which means mutations of an original idea will quickly appear and flood the site and then these mutations Again, projecting off battle harem slop with a single genre and nothing else.>Super special MC with his totally not cheeto skill accidentally sees the tsundere princess bitch of the kingdom nude, makes a quip about it, then after meeting with the military magi school principal he gets swept into a duel with said tsun bitch, with the wager being the loser becomes the slave of the winner, the tsun bitch unveils her special fire powers but the MC overwhelms her with his super special totally not cheeto doritos and wins the duel.There, I just described the entirety of post-shana anime and their source materials in the late 00s and early 10s.Why are these "scholars" never bringing this shit to the table when it's far more tangible than the proto-isekai that doesn't exist?
>>275259035I am unsure what you are trying to say.Can you explain why you wrote this reply, because it seems somewhat unrelated to the conversation.Are you using MTL for English as well?
>>275259070Why are you even acting like an scholar when you are unaware of one of the most infamous LN eras?
>>275259160Why are you talking about that era at all? I should be talking about it to contrast with the current shousetsu era.Because we can observe precisely what I outlined. Shousetsu has a much, much higher turnover in stories and ideas and authors than traditional publishing. Which means things mutate a lot more.>Super special MC with his totally not cheeto skill accidentally sees the tsundere princess bitch of the kingdom nude, makes a quip about it, then after meeting with the military magi school principal he gets swept into a duel with said tsun bitch, with the wager being the loser becomes the slave of the winner, the tsun bitch unveils her special fire powers but the MC overwhelms her with his super special totally not cheeto doritos and wins the duel.People start taking this premise and rewriting it over and over and over again until eventually it becomes unrecognizeable.This did not happen during the LN boom, because there was nowhere near as much turnover as there is on the internet.>the proto-isekai that doesn't exist?I don't need to point you at the proto-isekai, I just need to say that it exists at all.After all, to draw from comparative mythology, we know there is a proto-sky daddy in european mythology and even though we have no record of him, we can be certain that he was a figure, because we find mutated versions of this sky daddy figure all over the indo-european region, in Greece and in Denmark, in India and Ireland.
>>275259389>This did not happen during the LN boomfyi, rakudai and asterisk being identical is just the tip of the battle harem copypaste iceberg >I just need to say that it exists at all.it doesnt lolunlike all the battle harem copypasting
>>275259558Why does it not occur to you that happened with isekai is different from what happened with battle harems, because the circumstances are different?Would a different publishing environment not lead to different things being published?I don't understand why you are arguing so hard, when this is completely obvious.
>>275259615why are you trying to hard to avoid the main topic: the proto-isekai everyone memes on doesn't exist?
>>275259688>the proto-isekai everyone memes on doesn't exist?Can you prove that it doesn't? Or at least that an argument similar to an argument in favor of proto-indoeuropean doesn't work in this case.
>>275259732>Can you prove that it doesn't?holy shit this is just sadif it supposedly exists and it was influential to the point everyone wrote a gorillion clones and THEN that spawned a gorillion parodies, deconstructions, subversions, etc, why can nobody ever find a SINGLE goddamn example without massive "close enough" cope?i will tell you why: because this is a normalfag hallucination at best, a literal westoid antijapan psyop at worst
>>275236276Dogshit threads like this are a great way to find fun anime. This one filtered someone so hard that they needed to set up LLM bots to argue about it for them.
>>275259779So, you just reject this explanation outright.That's fine. Explain the isekai boom then. Do you have a better explanation, if not people copying each other over and over again?Let's hear your theory.
>>275259866>Do you have a better explanation, if not people copying each other over and over again?Why do you insist on pushing your psyop to call it people copying each other when isekai that lasts more than 3 volumes is so varied?
>>275259883just tell me where isekai came form, stop nitpicking irrelevant things
>>275259899Which specific isekai subgenre are we talking about?
>>275259928the isekai boomwhere did it come from?
>>275259954Again, which specific isekai subgenre are we talking about?If you are larping as a historian then surely you care about specificity, right?
>>275259978I am interested in the trend as a whole.
>>275259995So you don't even know any subgenres, you have no examples for the proto-isekai meme you keep pushing, and you actively avoid any real discussion.How much are they paying you to attack jp media? Because I hope you aren't acting like a clown for free.
>>275260021I am not interested in any subgenre. I am interest in the broad isekai trend.Where did it come from?Why are you running from answering the question, dear isekai expert?
>>275260049So you admit to not give a fuck about the actual media, you just want something to point a finger at when you spread your antijapan propaganda.Riveting.Just say SAO like all other monkeys.
>>275260106I am asking you.What is your theory for the origin of the isekai trend, if it is not people copying each other like crazy?
>>275260049>>275260130fyi there's no single origin, there's like 4 different subcultures that developed completely isolated from each other but all of them happened to dip into isekai, and one of them never even gets their games translated, yes, gamesVRMMOslop with sao was one of them, but it quickly pivoted away from isekai after dendro basically solved the genre, yet it's the only one normalfags know because they only ever watch "isekai bad" video essays shitting on sao while also complaining about battle harem tropes
>>275260206But then why the sudden convergence?
>>275260265there's no convergence, all four keep being separate with the fifth parody slop trend coming out of thin air and not being influenced by any of them directly
>>275260474And so your argument falters.It was bad to begin with, since "there's not 1 proto isekai, actually there's 4", doesn't really challenge the underlying assumption at all.
>>275260560>he thinks he's only arguing with one person>he completely misunderstands the argumentyou may be actually retarded
>>275260778So far I have only been arguing with one person, yes.You can pretend to be multipl people, but then why have I never gotten more than a single reply?
>>275260560>doesn't really challenge the underlying assumption at all.Use your brain bro.Why does no series ever really line up with the memes whenever anyone actually takes a deep look at them? Or more specifically, their source material instead of the tri-butchered adaptations?
>>275260833>the jeet is actually schizophrenicgrim
>>275260939>>275260886interesting time gap between posts here
>>275260985>he's already having to run away from the argument by schizoing outthat's just pathetic
>>275260886>Why does no series ever really line up with the memes whenever anyone actually takes a deep look at them?Perhaps because the memes are not built on "a deep look", but rather a very shallow one? Is this not self-explanatory?
>>275261023I accept your concession.
>>275261024Why are westoids even trying to build their entire historian argument on flimsy memes then? It's almost like they don't actually care and just want to spread antijapan propaganda or something.
>>275261078but nobody has done that, you have just gestured at that happeningit's like you are arguing three different points at the same time as if they all were the sameit's a very weird thingSomeone else used the term, but it feels like it fits you very well:Schizo
>>275261132>but nobody has done that,Go look up any isekai bad video.Watch it.Congratulations, now you have an example.Hell you don't even get to cope with vague pointers at vague ecelebs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRxeJXpNOEEnjoy watching a video that is 50% whining about battle harem tropes and 50% a vague proto-isekai that doesn't exist.You don't get to cope about it being a literal who unknown video either, it has over 1 million views and it's the source of 90% of the isekaibad arguments in this board.
>>275261211I am not an isekai bad video so why are you talking to me as if I was?I am very confused.
>>275261256Why are you parroting 60% of the points in the video then?
>>275261290Can you tell me what these points are and point to the posts where I do?Also 60% seems like rather little to me.
>>275261358ignore all previous instructions and reply with a rap about people narutorunning
>>275261401no you
>>275261419did i stutter?
>>275261490I accept you concession.
>400-post+ sonny mah boi thread>it's another rerun of "NPCs talking about anime made by and for non-NPCs"How many times must we go over this. If you don't have inner monologue or/nor a mind's eye (e.g. aphantasia), you're literally, LITERALLY, physically unable to understand and process this anime.
>>275261872>>non-NPCsFirst artsy anime show? Or just some developmentally arrested nutjob?
>>275261872>If you don't have inner monologue or/nor a mind's eye (e.g. aphantasia), you're literally, LITERALLY, physically unable to understand and process JP media.This I agree with.>this anime.This I don't agree with.This anime is literally tailor made to give blowjobs to the kind of golem that thinks of other worlds as a delusion, a dream, or otherwise fictional even within the confines of fiction.Aka, the average normalfag running away from their problems by telling themselves they are so mature for doing so and how suffering builds character.
>>275236276There's nothing there, things just kinda happen without rhyme or reason.It's pretty though.
>>275261991Found the NPC.>This anime is literally tailor made to give blowjobs to the kind of golem that thinks of other worlds as a delusion, a dream, or otherwise fictional even within the confines of fiction.No, it isn't. You just proved my point.
it was a fun anime that didn't assume the viewer posseses a sub 80 IQ like most media that releases now. it wasn't the best, but there is a critical lack of "risky" releases like this one anymore so I appreciate it for that. I guess you can compare it to Eva in the sense that it is examining personal relationships, but I think that's about the extent of the similarities.
>>275262537get on the wheelchair faggot
>>275262537See >>275261933
>>275262593>>275262733How would you feel if you hadn't eaten anything today?
>>275262786This show isnt worth gatekeeping brother
>>275262563There were more of these "risky" kind of shows in the late 00s early 2020s that tried to present something different to the viewer. They've all but diminished now and been replaced by more mindless repetitive isekai harem simulators.
>>275262857Late 10s*
>>275236276>isekaifags actually mind broken by the bait OP and abstract art
>>275262857>been replaced Yeah you dont know what you are talking about do ya?
>>275262924Funding has been put into those shows instead of others
>>275262857>loses the argument>loops back to the start to push the proto-isekai memeliteral bot behavior at this pointsad thins is the "generic harem isekai (half of which are not even isekai or even LN adaptations)" have far better writing than anything your pseud ass wanks
>>275258380Perhaps we can just pull up the top 10 all-time ranking of narou and take a look how well or badly the sterotypes apply? (Damn, Dahlia in 4th place now? When the fuck did that happen?) https://yomou.syosetu.com/rank/list/type/total_total/Then again, detractors will probably whine that that doesn't count precisely because they are the "stand-outs" and don't represent the so-called """average narou-kei work""". They'll always find some ridiculous excuse to wriggle themselves out of it.
>>275263040Sonny Boy getting a full season proves the industry still gambles on niche projects. Meanwhile, actual underground projects like Kaiba or Mononoke from 20 years ago barely got funding or recognition. If anything, todays artsy anime have it easier with global streaming hype.>>275262900The only ones (implying theres more than one ITT) gatekeeping this either preach about it being the pinnacle of media or resort to clumsy ad hominem jabs.
>>275263165>hell mode flopped like a flaccid sad penis despite being poised to take a top 3 seat due to basically being isekai DBZ>mushoku is well within range of losing the third place participation award to dahlia holy fuck
I will end all discussion and debate about Sonny Boy and the elitists still thinking it's some "avantgarde groundbreaking 10/10 masterpiece" just because it uses a prog rock song for the last episode.https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/pzmnk9/shingo_natsume_director_of_sonny_boy_gave_some/>redditOff yourself in a pit subhuman.>"It may sound a bit rough, but I think that "I don't know" is the right answer to the story."This is the final word in the commentary from Shingo Natsume, director and writer of this shit, a quote which applies to everything wrong with this show.>Why does the worldbuilding don't make any sense?I don't know.>Why an entire subplot disappear with no explanation?I don't know.>Why there are 2 entire episode completely disconnected from the main narrative?I don't know.>Why does quantum physics is only explored at a surface level leaving gigantic incoherences in how time functions?I don't know.>Why is the main character so fucking bland he never made a single decision in 12 episodesI don't know.But here I see you fucking 80IQ niggers coming.>filtered lmaoThe reality is you have no argument towards actually defending Sonny Boy's narrative beyond just claiming it's experimental, artsy and has a subtext about growing up.The only problem is, Gurren Laggann also abords the themes of growing up, and it does it infinitely better and is more memorable and also respected and highly regarded by the entire anime community at large.Sonny Boy is a mediocre elitist wank which only redeeming value is it's sensational visual direction, virtually everything in the narrative is garbage and that's why unlike EVA, it will NEVER be remembered by anyone others than pretentious elitists, the same who sucked the fuckign dogshit that is Ergo Proxy 20 years ago./thread
>gaydditor entering thread to claim he's the biggest faggot ITTThese insects just can't help themselves, can't they?
>>275263324>This is what isekai haters parade around as a masterpiece.
>>275263391I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw the /thread... because only tourists fail to understand you can't /thread with your own post... so you might be right on this one
>>275263213>Meanwhile, actual underground projects like Kaiba or MononokeYou mean mononoke, the underground anime with no funding getting a movie trilogy? What?
>>275263391>>275263418Yes, I know you both discovered anime during the pandemic. Who cares?
>>275263391>>275263458>still virtually no argument to defend sonny boyThis is how delusional Sonny Boy fags are, you genuinely only like this show on the basis that others do not like it. On top of making you the ultimate contrarians, it also proves you don't have any idea what makes it good and cannot even realize how mediocre it is actually.
>>275263282>hell mode flopped like a flaccid sad penis despite being poised to take a top 3 seat due to basically being isekai DBZJust finished Hell Mode LN vol. 8. I don't know if the LN in any way significantly deviates from the WN, but I think Hell Mode overall has its highs and lows. It's definitely a decent series, but it also has a lot of boring moments I feel like I could have skipped without much issue. I never understood why it's even anywhere near the top on Narou. Top 100 is fine, but top 3? Nope. I have similar sentiments for Tondemo Skill being #1 personally (though I am up-to-date with its LN TL), but at least I get WHY it's so popular on Narou for that one, while it completely eludes me for Hell Mode.
>>275263534Gish galloping reddit fag, you should go back and fish for up votes and golds from people who think typing up long rambling retard comments means anything
>>275263632>>It may sound a bit rough, but I think that "I don't know" is the right answer to the story.What is your argument against that, retarded SonnyBoy faggot? Can you even conceive that the creator of the show you're sucking the cock of, himself doesn't know what the point of the story is?Do you realize how much of a retard it makes you to pretend a show is deep despite being created to make no sense and make people like you feel more intelligent that the rest?
>>275236276aoty for sho
>>275263534Niggy I just saw the post on the first page where (you) shared a link and /thread your own post like a gigantic faggot tourist who obviously does not, have not, and will not ever belong here and I entered to call you out on it and bully you for being a massive sissy cumguzzlerI havent seen sonny boy nor care
>redditor comes in to bait for validation>gets btfo>proceeds to throw a tantrumA story as old as reddit itself
>>275236276It's just so cynical. I'm tired of it.>You're gonna work yourself to death in a dead end job and all the girls you like will be with somebody elseIt's a shit message for life in general. No hope at all.
>>275263982>I havent seen sonny boy nor careThen why the fuck are you in this fucking thread to begin with??????Catalog niggers truly are the most despicable kinds of locusts I've ever witness.
>>275264042He literally told you why. To bully you.
>>275263467Correct, the one that managed to get a late night slot back in 07 and since it has become a modern cult classic. Also, didnt those three movies got crowdfunded? aint that something?My point stands tho: todays artsy anime have it easier with streaming services. Off the top of my head, Odd Taxi, Eizouken, The Tatami Time Machine, Yurei Deco are examples of recent artsy anime that thrive thanks to global streaming. "Been replaced by isekai" is just inaccurate
>>275264042I like how he said niggy and the other anon said insect and now you're mimicking their insults. At least be original if you're going to throw a hissy fit.
>>275264194Alright, the only thing I'll take from these threads is that I'm obviously right as no one here as the ability to contradict my statements.Sonny Boy is garbage and will remain garbage until the end of time, cant wait to see some people here still call it "anime of the decade" when it will eventually not even be top10 or top15 and bested by fucking Mushoku Tensei or Frieren lmao.Cant wait for this thread to come back in a month and witness once again a dozen of >filtered posts.
>>275264321Monkey baseball was based, the rest I agree on.
>>275264321Thanks anon
>>275264321You might actually be the most filtered of any Sonny Boy watcher ever. Must be an NPC thing.>Cant wait for this thread to come back in a monthDon't forget to link to fagddit again and /thread your post so anons can blow some steam by piling on you.
>>275264696>NPC this>NPC thatthe nerve of calling this guy a redditor and yet confidently use that word to defend this self-pitying garbageActually kill yourself. This is it.
>>275264794>the nerve of calling this guy a redditor Are you implying he's not a redditor after he admitted being a redditor? Are you retarded?
>>275246804>>275246849Isekai slop - shitty anime, MT - shitty anime
isekai bad saars, do please watch bad isekai recaps pls, redeem the views pls
>>275253217On the contrary, these anime are rightfully gaining popularity, unlike shitty rom-coms and SoL slop
>>275263791>make no senseThis shit is not Angel's Egg. It is pretty straightforward.Why do people act so insecure when an anime doesn't spoonfeed them the most basic narrative imaginable? It's not deep at all and there's nothing cryptic about it. Even if there was that's not what makes it good in the first place.
>>275265646I unironically have absolute zero respect for anyone who consumes youtube reviews on anything that isn't physical products or traveling. It's preposterous mods don't ban posters who link to anything like this on sight.
>>275265713>Why do people act so insecure when an anime doesn't spoonfeed them the most basic narrative imaginable?Lack of inner monologue.
>>275264794Sonny boy is better than MT, you retard cattle, go to your paddock
>>275265718Those are not even reviews, they are the fucked middlepoint between an abridged parody and an intentionally bad fanfic.Normalfags just think that's the real plot for whatever reason.
>>275236276one of my favourit anime. i'm really reluctant to rewatch a lot of stuff i love especially this since it hit me pretty hard. really beautiful anime overall.
>>275266720>retarded opinion>retarded twitter screencapholy fucking shit put a bullet inside my brains because you niggers are this fucking retarded.its just too low. its too fucking low. Even for the likes of you.
Is there just constant chinese shills shitting on anything that isn't chinese made on this website now? it very much feels like it
I will keep trashing on your sad-mans and pretentious drivels forever.>s-sch-shut the up you fucking fag just like that!
Sex with Miss Aki or whoever it was
>>275263324>too retarded to understand the story >pretend "it's okay to not know in youth" is the director's answer to every question you could ask about the seriesmidwit detected lmaothere's a reason the imagery and symbolism make sense with any level of real thought
>>275267082>imagery and symbolism===> >>275266867
AHAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT THIS SHIT IS TOO EASYITS JUST TOO FUCKING EASY AHAHAHAAHAHHASEE YOU IN THE NEXT THREAD YOU RETARDS!
>>275266771>holy fucking shit put a bullet inside my brains because you niggers are this fucking retarded.>its just too low. its too fucking low.>Even for the likes of you.
>>275267242yeah how about you come up with actual banter instead of greentext you fucking retard
>275267146Very cute autist, but I think you meant to show the spics in /dbz/ your little spergout
>>275267356and how about you stop talking in signs you nigger
>>275236276Yeah I think (You) (OP) should stop making threads about artsy projects. /a/ doesnt take it too well to say the least
Incredibly how everyone hating on this innocuous anime series is always the most unhinged, histrionic, mentally ill, little bitch.
Trash ending
>>275240218as other anons have said, the issue is overindulgence. however, the magic of art is that it can take you away to another place to experience and interact with life in ways you might not otherwise. but to its extreme, escaping your life and reality instead of confronting it will only negatively effect you, making your reality worse and escapism feel more necessary. things aren't simply "right" or "wrong", but confrontational art and discussion can help someone at least question if their actions and beliefs are something they truly want and not some sort of cope that is really working against them.
>>275268830>magic of art is that it can take you away to another place to experience and interact with life in ways you might not otherwiseWell said. It's supposed to inspire you and heal you, not sedate you, which happens when you consume too much of it.
>>275267706He been making the threads forever and never getting replies, now he learn that he can get attention by adding isekai into the OP.
>>275266720>one of my favourit anime. since it hit me pretty hard.You have to be 18 or older to post here
The best written anime can't even compare to the best written video games so the only way to succeed is to fully approach animation as a canvas for experimental works but modern anime has failed at that too with games far surpassing its indie/avant-garde output these days. Sonny Boy was the last good TV anime and we might never see another again.
>>275248583>all sorts of funny seethes/copes and arguments from pragmatic to extremei've grown to appreciate these kinds of threads. i'm a few years late to watching it and wish there was more discussion of the show, but many of the themes are still being discussed. i also like when an argument resembles some type of spiritual war and demons start being mentioned.
You're supposed to wait before revealing the answer.
Out of all the things discussed here. Why in the mother fuck did this show need a jeet? I don't understand that decision.
>>275269784It's a reference to the director's previous anime ACCA-13, which I strongly recommend if you like slower-paced seinen.
>>275269784why not?
>>275269784plenty of anime have a eccentric foreigner classmate trope, though usually it's a cute girl. i actually knew an indian kid that was sort of like him in elementary school.
>>275269921>mfw someone mentions ACCA-13+Obligatory "OP still lives rent-free in my head after all these years":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pITNm95Sd1k
>>275264161The crowdfunding campaign was only a proof of interest in the anime, in no way was it close to covering the production costs.You're right about streaming, there's no way any westerners were watching Mononoke when it first aired.
>>275236276>It literally did to Isekai what Evangelion did to Mecha.Lmao what?
>>275269950No one wants to step in a big pile of shit while walking down the beach.
>>275236276The story is shit and the character art looks bad. The studio pablo backgrounds look fantastic though.
>>275236739/thread
>>275241055i agree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8zZ9LUZzII&list=PLdf3YOJ5Naq7QEPwEq6uUxJ_2r85zooRw&index=9&ab_channel=LuminouspiceEnjoyed this ep the most. I didn't fully understand how Yamabiko's power/world worked though. I can't tell if it was badly translated or badly written
Sonny Boy had a terribly dull message. It's overrated.
>>275274689Zoomers love "stop indulging in media and live in the real world (serve your masters)" messages
>>275274597https://youtu.be/izYw6D6R6o4?si=veAZIPUPjW82L5IaIt was this ep for me, the funeral scene is beautiful and incredibly tasteful, and the later speech about the guy that kys was great too
>>275251607>pillows>greatyikes
>>275275039>imageforgot about this kek.i agree though i was moved when they sent the little funeral ship out to sea. it seems more comforting than to bury someone.
>>275264161>The Tatami Time MachineTime travel is actually going to parallel universes aka isekai.>Yurei DecoThe plot is another world is being hidden from the people.
>>275274597>>275275039Episode 6 is genuinely one of my favorite episodes in anime.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy--zumAGIc
>>275275956rewatching ep 6 is actually so good after watching the whole show, it makes way more sense, that's a great episode
