A proper Dragon Ball remake that actually looks and feels like the manga would be lovely.I get we have a lot of nostalgia for the old Toei anime but it shouldn't be the end all be all for an adaption of DB. Most modern animators want to remake it and I say we let them.
>>281937572>remake>of Dragon BallLiterally nobody wants that. Oh what, now it'll be even more meaningless screaming and sucking Goku's mary sue dick? No thank you.
>>281937572Include GT.
The only justification for remaking Dragon Ball is to make it a real story this time instead of hundreds of episodes of number wank and screaming.
>>281937572that's what people said about sailor moon too and then Crystal happened
>>281937898Crystal was an outlier Ranma, One Piece, all having faithful remakes
>>281937572It would be so hard to make I don't know how good it would be. Just read the manga at this pointAlso retards who complain about Dragon Ball story haven't read it
>>281938014>RanmaNobody cares about the Ranma remake.>One PieceIsn't even out.
>>281938014Ranma unfortunately isn't faithful to the look of the old show, the manga, or the fan's idea of how the characters should look.I'm honestly starting to expect AI progress and fan frustration to outpace the studios in animating these series properly.
>>281938637What is it with remakefags/mangafags and obsessing over AI.There will never, in your lifetime, be good AI animation, and none of these fans are technically skilled enough as artists or coders to make that happen.
>>281937693Include DB multiverse
Bump ki boost
>>281937572It would both look and feel like shit and you know it. It's an 80s manga. There is a ton of shit that would offend the previous sensibilities of the pathetic normalfag populace of the cucked modern era. The only choice would be to neuter it and possibly even cut characters like Master Roshi and Mr. Popo. If you're okay with that then you're not a Dragon Ball fan.
>>281937572>remakelmaohttps://www.nichegamer.com/dq-creator-unhappy-dragon-quest-iii-hd-2d-remake-censorship/
>>281937572Sadly your kind don't allow it because all of you are homos that hate sexy women.Not joking is the truth, a remake that feels like the manga would mean showing pantyshots, naked girls, and so on and you wouldn't have right to complain since would be faithfull.
>>281940082Sadly your troon shit link isn't true, the censorship was a sony thing with hori accepting it since was a kinda exclusive.A remake can be done but your kind will even alter the truth to point they are correct (case and point your link since the remake for virtual console has same afe rating even when the manual shows how the characters look).
>>281939008Why?
>thread created 2 hours ago>only 15 replieskek what happened to this place?
>>281940592No "Super" in title.
>>281939008Lol
>>281940592/dbs/ ran away
>A proper Dragon Ball remake that actually looks and feels like the manga would be lovely.Toei would find a way to corrupt and ruin it.
What's next for SS4?
>>281937572the Toei anime was fine. The filler can be easily skipped, and the very few QUALITY episodes are far and inbetweenI do admit that commercial looks amazing, but it absolutely does not need a remake.Especially with modern production where an entire season takes years to make, and even then they usually cut content because they don't have enough time to do all of it(see Ranma for example)
>>281941470The Baby arc.
>>281941481You have NEVER read Dragon Ball if you think the adaptation is anywhere near "fine" levels this is closer to absolute dogshit than "fine"
>>281940563Because that retard likes garbage.
>>281942178>>281941481Also the filler can't easily be skipped because it's woven into the main stuff. Kai couldn't cut the filler out. I'm not just talking about frog Bulma level stuff but also longer (and WAY SHITTIER) fights. These are bound to stay no matter how you cut the episodesToei butchered Dragon Ball.
>>281942178I read the manga first you dogshit retard. It absolutely was fine.
>>281942178The manga is obviously better but you're being dramatic.
>>281942221funny, I rewatched DragonBall like 5 years ago and I skipped the filler of the original Toei run just fine.
>>281942221So you're saying the filler is woven into the story and actually adds to it? WOW, almost like the filler in the anime is part of the full DB experience, as Toriyama himself stated.You fucking retard. Go kill yourself.
>>281942326Which is why they made Kai and tried to remove as much of it as possible. To remove the full experience, I guess.
>>281942397Kai is shit. This is known. The only thing Kai improved was the English dub, and if you're watching dubbed you're a subhuman that has never gotten the full experience.
>>281937572>They Are not going to use Kikuchi ost>They Are not going to use the Classic sound effects caused they are used in one Piece>They Are going to remake the same Boring arcs from dragon ball 1 with constant tournament arcs where there's no tension and nobody fucking dies. Also the first part Is poorly written, tenshinhan wins the Budokai tenkaichi and what happens next Is Krillin dying, without any construction or anticipation compared to z
>>281942244>>281942273>>281942278>>281942326I'm not even being harsh on the anime. If anything calling it a bad adaptation is underplaying how shit it is. Both as an adaptation and as a standalone. Toei's DBZ goes against Toriyama's strengths in almost every way. Toriyama has fast pacing, great and meaningful battle choreography, trims all fat (no, you're not going to get shitty filler scenes showing the Earthlings train in the afterlife while Goku is taking on Freeza just because - Toriyama understood that), and the characters behave in a refreshingly "down to earth" way. Toei turns that into a horribly paced mess with 3/10 fights (even a lot of the so called good ones like SS2 Goku vs Kid Buu are bad), nonsensical bloated plot meandering and horribly flanderized characters behaving as caricatures of themselves. Freeza is a good boss when written by Toriyama, and a retard shooting his guys all the time under Toei.If you think DBZ is decent or more, you either never read the manga or didn't get what made it good. You're hitting peak satisfaction when buff men throw punches and lasers regardless of how good these punches look or anything that has to do with the writing and dialogues of said buff men. You're outing yourself as a barely sapient bugman.
>>281942844Holy TRVKESPLOSIONThe anime is so shit. Z is actually unwatchable.>>281942458Dub is better than sub for db.
>>281942844I'm not reading this retarded wall of screeching seethe. The manga is superior, the anime is not perfect and has plenty of problems but it's not unwatchable shit like Bleach or Warm Piss. Any other opinion is just someone being a dramatic faggot, which is what you are. Don't post again.
>>281943154>Dub is better than sub for db.Thanks for letting me know your opinions on literally anything can be safely discarded.
>>281942844>You're hitting peak satisfaction when buff men throw punches and lasers regardless of how good these punches look or anything that has to do with the writing and dialogues of said buff menWe're talking about the actual series, not Shitper.
>>281943161You're wrong but you have the right to enjoy the babified version that dangles car keys in front of your eyes like you're a retarded 4 years old kid, instead of the version that respects itself and its readers
>>281943205>Muh granny Goku is actually goodYou're retarded and have trash taste.
>>281943264>seething and screeching moreI already said the manga is superior, which it is. I'm sorry you can't read. I'm better than you btw.
>>281942326I love you anon.
>>281943270>b-but muh Pigmerican voices!They're shit and the dub is shit. You started with dubbed Z.
>>281943331>Couldn't come up with a refutation against CHADMERICANS because he innately knows they are better and more suited for their respective charactersI happily accept this concession.
>>281943259Believe it or not, Shitper writers didn't come out of nowhereI guarantee you don't remember how much trash Toei added to DBZ. Read Namek again then compare it with the anime. It's GROSS. I'm not even exaggerating. Fucking Ginyu Bulma in the middle of Freeza 4. Vegeta beating up Gohan and leaving before next episode pretending nothing happened (and this after adding another retarded scene that contradicts this very premise a few episodes ago)
>>281942326>Toriyama himself stated>Toriyama then proceeds to never mention the filler in any project he's involved with You are as smart as an ant if you believe he cares about filler.
>>281943368>falls back into his typical shitposting shtickYawn.
>>281942844Harsh but real.
>>281943403It's genuinely fucking terrible. Around 5 episodes are wasted on Bulma and what the people on earth are doing.
>>281943411>NOOOOO HE DIDN'T MEAN ITI accept your concession.
>>281943464>No refutation or proof he did mean itI accept your concession.
The Z anime is shit and you didn't read the manga.>Y-Yes I didNo you didn't.>F-Fuck youCope.>Y-YOU'RE A STUPID AMERICANCOPE.
>>281943511It's ALWAYS>AMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANSAMERICAAMERICANS
>>281943501>shifting the burden of proofYou're starting to bore me. Do better. That's an order.
>>281943453The worse part is that this is just the easy to spot parts. I'm expecting even the anime defenders to at least agree with me these parts are terrible. But if you pay even a little bit of attention to what you're reading/watching you'll see the stupidest, most infantilizing additions sprinkled everywhere. Sometimes it's as simple as a 30s scene added during a fight. Or new dialogues that butcher Toriyama's characters or tone.And to clarify, I'm not entirely against Toei DBZ, they can make good stuff. Good filler scenes/episodes, even good fight additions (Goku vs Cell...). But 95% of what you're getting is poisoned. Dragon Ball doesn't have a standalone anime you can watch.
>>281943551I mean, when it's a retard who started with the garbage Funi dub of Z and pretends to be an authority, it's a pretty safe assertion that you're talking to some dipshit from America.
>>281943602Freeza's "native language" KEK. Although that was more of a dub thing than an anime thing.
>>281943552I already gave proof you illiterate taco grease guzzling border hoping Honduran. Toriyama never referenced or accounted for the filler in any project he worked on after the manga. He never integrated shit like pikkon into super or daima. He obviously never cared. Toei filler isn't even consistent with its own source material.>>281943602The absolute WORST parts are the camera panning shits where they spend 5 minutes doing jack shit. The repetitive 5 frame punching loops are shit too.
>>281943677>spergs out into random racismYou're melting down because I have proof that Toriyama endorsed filler, while you have no proof to the contrary. Therefore, I accept your concession.
>>281943705>Invincible ignorance>Being this illiterate I accept your second concession.
>CHADcismGentlemen... Roll out the red carpet for this stud.
>>281937572They shouldn't. Daima had no blood in any of the fights and everything would be very toned down.
>>281943733>n-no u!I won. I know you're obsessed with having the last word because you are a child, but know that I won this argument.>h-he ranPredictable little shitposter. I own your mind.
>>281943705Toriyama said tons of dumb shit. He's not even necessarily wrong about the concept of "additional material being a nice bonus to Dragon Ball", this can be true (and some filler can be good) while the anime remains a 3/10 steaming piece of garbage overall
>>281943783>ProjectionSee?
Personally, I'd like something more like a total rework of dragon ball.Inspired by toriyamas style, but not a slave to itFollow the story beats, but make it unique.Something like the vampire hunter d manga. Borrow various elements from the books and movies.Still start out with goku being orphaned, but weave his story more closely with piccolo, so they are more mirrors of each other.Make the nameks have to flee because of the cold empire Have the original namek not be ignorant of his alien origins, but when he splits into kami and piccolo, the memories get split too, leaving neither with the whole picture.Piccolo goes on his rampage, is stopped, sealed, and the dragon ball plotline now starts with him getting unsealed. He becomes a bigger threat, but every time he makes a demon, it drains his power. He eventually has made too many henchmen, weakening him enough that Goku beats him. He then uses his last bit to "birth" piccolo jr, who grows up alone, in the wilderness, juxtaposed to goku, who spends the next years molded by kami.Basically, weave the elements of nameks, saiyans, frieza, and red ribbon together more cohesively. You could even work in the majins as a bug threat which devastated planets, leaving them ripe for the cold empire to pillage.
I miss it bros.........Super era was something else.
>>281944103Super fucking sucked, are you retarded? Everything negative being said about the Z anime applies to Super twofold.
>>281943782>Daima had no blood in any of the fights Thanks for letting us know you didn't watch it and just parrot off what you see online
>>281943941I am so fucking glad you aren't in charge of the IP.
>>281937572This ad doesn't actually look like the manga though. It looks like Toei's old animation seen through rose-tinted goggles.
>>281944495Start of Z has people getting their arms chopped off and you are posting purple snot and a small scratch
>>281944624>d-doesn't count!
>>281944896>doesn't countYes. Cope.
>>281944936You claimed there was "no blood" in Daima and I proved you wrong. Therefore I won. Retard.
>>281945211>Android 18 out of nowhere
>>281945067Why are you pretending to be me?
>>281945417 Kensuke fucked Asuka and she liked it, you just have to accept this anon.
>>281945446>dumbshit falseflagger trying to derail the discussion
>>281945417I look like this and say this.
>>281944495That's how little there was. Nobody is goingto remember these two little scratches.
Kensuke.
Why is it here? Send it back.
Have any of the characters actually inspired you to improve yourself?
>>281947414You would think Bulma felt a breeze or something.
>>281937572Dragon Ball needs a Nissan commercial
we all agree funi dub is objectively better than kai or kai ost replace with faulconer score right?
Shueisha are evil and hates Dragon Ball.
>>281948382True.
>>281948200Yes.
>>281948200No. The one thing Kai improved was the dub. It's still shit, mind you, but the dialogue is much closer to the original lines. None of this faggy hope of the universe garbage.
>>281947607ran through and uncouth
>>281949582Now imagine if this was the Funi dub.>Leapin' lizards! They're not letting off any energy for us to sense!>This looks like a job for the Z Warriors and the Hope of the Universe!
>>281949735Kek
>>281950389>>281950643Samecuck RTH sub-human.
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>281937572>remake>that actually looks and feels like the mangaTell me what's wrong with the old Toei anime first
>>281952208>>281942844
>>281952208Not that anon >>281952303 but the DB anime is somewhat okay, the Z one sucks dick
>>281952795Your unfinished, boring black and white prototype will never be anywhere near as successful, popular, or renowned as the anime.
>>281937572Give me a proper adaption of GUNNM first.
>>281952967/dbs/ retards are endearing
>>281945947Still more than all of the super anime
>>281953342>no argumentAs expected.
>>281947398Goku did and I actually lost a bunch of weight a few years back...but then I gained it back so now I guess you could say uh...well shit there's no fat characters in modern Dragon Ball is there?
>>281953408Buu? Your hero.
Thoughts on Broly's new dub voice?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJG0C_4Lzc8https://youtu.be/CL04EmJYSWo?t=5
Nulybros... We got cucked by Johnny Bravo...
>Woah, mama!
>>281955222>>281955278
Z is perfect as is but the original could use a remake. I find some of the jokes and themes problematic in today's climate. Let's make a safer and more inclusive version! Bulma offers Master Roshi her father Dr. Briefstein's credit card for a Dragon Ball. General Blue comes out of the closet to an applause and salute by the entire Red Ribbon Army. Tien isn't an assassin, he's a missionary. Oolong is a trans shape shifter. So much potential!
>>281955493I want to kill you just for this shitpost because there are cretins who would applaud it unironically.
>>281955535Kek true unfortunately
I'd love to have more LBGTQ characters in a remake. For example Krillin having a crush on Android 17 instead.
>>281955493The worse part about this post isn't the wokoid part but calling Z good, let alone perfect
A Dragon Ball remake would only matter to me if the lore was expanded, which wouldn't matter now because Toriyama is dead. Even if he was just pulling shit out of his ass, there was plenty of stuff that could have been fleshed out the way he added tidbits of lore in Kakarot, but that's over now. A Dragon Ball remake is pointless and would just end up being censored garbage.
I don't want to turn this into a Toyo hate thing but it's so odd to me how people are against a remake yet will be the first in line to see Moro animated (basically a remake of Cell)
>>281956910>people prefer to see someone continue the story over things they’ve seen
>>281956910Those people are retards. Super as a whole is terrible and Moro started out in a fairly unique way, even though it turned into Cell 2.0. Those people only remember the beginning because they compare it to the rest of Super, which is largely awful.
Also wait what the fuckI tried to look up the Toyo one shot and it's only available in draft?He can't even fucking properly draw a ONE SHOT CHAPTERAFTER BEING OUT OF WORK FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR?This is the fucking guy people want to take over Dragon Ball?????
>>281956962People don’t just do work for free. Nobody was paying him to do that for most of the year. Grow up.
>>281956962He quite literally doesn't have talent. The only way he can produce anything that looks like a professional product is when he's "referencing" (tracing) Toriyama's work. His paneling, choreography, anatomy, character designs, and narrative structure are all shit. There are probably high school kids who could do better.>>281957003Hi, Toyo.
>>281957023It makes sense that you don’t understand how a professional artist works. You will never be one.
>>281957067I never professed to be one or expressed a desire to be one, did I? Retarded cuck. Toyo isn't a talented mangaka or artist.
>>281957003Shueshia is literally paying him for this crap by putting this in V Jump just stop dude >>281957023It's insane how he's been drawing for over 20 years at this point and pic related is all he can put out. I actually feel bad for him
>>281957088Toyo is talented and only improving. You don’t get where he is by luck.
>>281957067None of that is a refutation for >bad paneling>bad choreography>horrific anatomy>DeviantArt-tier character designs>awful narrative flowYou're just a blind dickrider, typical Toyocuck.>>281957107Holy fuck, this is worse than I thought.>>281957118>Toyo is talentedNope. See >>281957107
>>281957107Yeah he got paid to do that probably with like a few weeks notice. Considering that, it’s great.
>>281957147>instantly moves the goalpostsYou fucking dumb piece of shit, I've seen people shit out better art than that for free because they were bored.
>>281957132>bad panellingIt was only ever mediocre at worst and improved to be good.>bad choreography Nope, the fights are dynamic and better than their anime counterparts.>horrific anatomyIe you exaggerating minor defects any mangaka on his schedule makes.>deviantart tierI happen to think moro looks a damn sight better than some buu arc characters. >narrative flowBlame toriyama for that since it’s his story.
lol
>>281957162They’re drafts. Those people aren’t making pages and pages of manga for a financial deadline, they’re scribbling for pleasure and spending time on passion projects. Drafts are drafts. Grow up.
>>281957207>It was only ever mediocre at worst and improved to be good.lolstopped reading there
>>281957132Yeah it's bad >>281957147>Few weeks noticeI know you're trolling but he announced in Late May that he had something to show in July Two months
>>281957241I’ve seen far worse. That’s easily comprehensible to me. Maybe your visual IQ is just low.
>>281957207>It was only ever mediocreKek even Toyosuckers can't defend his shit.>the fights are dynamicThe fights are flat as fuck. Put a Toyo fight next to a Toriyama fight and tell me that, not that I believe you've ever actually read the DB manga.>exaggeratingPic related.>I happen to thinkOpinion, discarded.>Blame toriyamaToriyama is dead and a good deal of the elements in the Moro and Granolah arcs came from Toyo (with Toriyama's approvel, who is famous for not giving a shit).>>281957236>They're draftsThey are the finished product you fucking retard.>>281957258>O-Okay well that's bad b-but I've seen worseConcession accepted.
>>281957249That doesn’t mean he was working on this for two months. Either way, they’re drafts. Not a finished product. Grow up.
>>281957258It's not about being able to understand it. It's about whether or not this flows well and the shots are meaningful. They aren't. Toyotaro's worst sin is probably his disgusting paneling full of useless small panels that actively detract from the action.
>G-G-G-Grow up *sniff*You can tell he has no actual arguments kek.
>>281957274>compare toyo to one of the best shonen artists ever and he looks mid in comparisonOkay? So do 99% of mangaka.>toriyama is deadNot before making daipa and super hero. Two massive piles of shit. Many people would prefer moro to that. >they are the finished productYou’re mentally ill. They were explicitly called drafts for a manga he’s making.
>>281957241I think he tries to hard to seem dynamic on pages instead of letting it flow naturally
>>281957294Literally 15/10 paneling. Way better than Toriyama. You're just stupid.
>>281957294Your post is full of words but none of them say anything. What’s a “meaningful” shot? Because all these convey dialogue or necessary movement. >small panelsHis style. I happen to like it.
>>281957325>moves the goalposts againConcession accepted.>Many peopleOpinion, discarded.>You're [ad hominem]Concession accepted.See?
>>281957351>*plugs ears* LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I DON'T CARE I LIKE IT SO THAT MEANS IT'S GOOOOODImagine telling other people to grow up while acting like this.
>>281957294That one was a little better than the previous one but that's about as good as it can get, aka "not trash">>281957330You're retarded (on purpose)>>281957351You SHOULD (not could, SHOULD) cut at least half of the panels he draw. They add nothing to the action, ruin the flow and impact of the page. I'll post some Toriyama paneling to rinse your eyes after this
Not even putting effort in. Like I said, maybe grow up.
>>281957380Disgusting
>>281957386>>281957379
>>281957380I like the extra content and find the miniature illustrations charming. There’s no objective good way to depict a fight scene. You are comparing toyos style of rapid cuts which gives a sense of chaos to toriyamas approach of clean and clear through lines of action. Both are good for different reasons and it’s a matter of personal preference.
>>281957431>l-let's just agree to disagreeYou lose.
>>281957406Direct comparison>>281957431Everything is subjective if you think about it long enough but if we're being serious for a moment Toyotaro's small panels take away from the ones that desperately NEED space to shine
>>281957451Yeah Toyo's is better.
>>281957451This is a homage to/ easter egg to a moment that was poorly done in the first place. Some of toyos original compositions mog the toriyama one here.
>>281957451Notice how despite Toriyama having far more detail it's way clearer in Toriyama's versionMaybe it would be possible to defend Toyotaro's paneling if he actually put in a lot of detail into his panels but he really CAN'T draw shit to save his lifeToyotaro literally dies the second he changes the width of his pencil. All lines must be equally thick!
>>281957498>Some of toyos original compositions mog the toriyama one here.
>>281957499Toyos is cleaner. Digital changed how people style manga.
>>281957498>Some of toyos original compositions mog the toriyama one here.Lol. Lmao
>>281957498>homagecucks still exist
>>281957539>keeps posting non focused on homages / easter eggs as if they’re directly comparable
>>281957520Toyo is visual diarrhea>>281957561The issue isn't Toyotaro redrawing scenes (although it kind of is an issue but that's another subject).The issue is that Toyotaro has literally ZERO idea of what makes Dragon Ball fights work. He doesn't understand perspective, speed lines, paneling, impact, build-up. He apes Toriyama in the most superficial ways.Toyotaro isn't a mangaka. He's a fanartist and what he shits out is kinda subpar for regular manga, let alone if you're trying to measure up to Toriyama
>>281957613There is literally no way to defend Toyotaro here, this is so fucking bad.Meanwhile, Toriyama's paneling was genius. Storytime had everyone suck Toriyama's dick for it.
>>281937572>let's retell the same story for the millionth timeFuck no.
>>281957644Toyotaro would never be able to pull something like this.And all of this is before I even bring up how shit Toyotaro is at drawing the characters themselves. Toyotaro's Goku is disgusting.
There’s no such thing as a “fan artist”. Many fan artists went on to be popular mangaka. Like toyo did.
Kek, the Toyobitch got bullied into shutting the fuck up.Anyway, the Super manga is fucking garbage.
All your responses are just your own opinion regurgitated with no attempt to engage with the argument, so I stopped humouring you.
>>281957742>Y-YOU'RE JUST NOT WORTH IT!You lost.
>>281957700Toyotaro just isn't a professional. His entire career started and ended with aping Toriyama's style in the most superficial ways.He would never be able to draw pic related either. It's a challenging page, and only Toriyama could manage it.
>>281957742You have no argument, you fat slob. All you've done is cry like a bitch and say it doesn't matter because you personally like Toyo's shit art.Lose weight.
>>281942326>Toeifags will unironically argue that Garlic Jr. is a crucial part of 'the full DB experience'Poor Japanese kids reading the original manga in the 90s, they had to transition from Namek to Androids without such a masterpiece in-between, huh?
HE CAN'T EVEN DRAW ANOTHER FACE FOR FUCK SAKE SOMEONE TEACH HIM I BEG YOU
>>281957851Toyo is better then ToriyamaGet over it
>>281957873I know it's bait but I can't help humoring itToyo's toilet paper will never be anywhere close to Toriyama's timeless masterpiece. They're not even in the same category
>>281957904Not bait, and people overrate the fuck out of Toriyama.
>>281957971Maybe you're just retarded.
>>281957811I could bench twice what you do, retard.
>no /dbs/postingYeah this place is truly dead
>>281943941I like the way you think, but beating an opponent because he's been weakened is not very Goku or DB.
>>281958010>retard starts seething and trying to be a tough guy because he's out of argumentsKek, Toyo sucks.
>>281958023>NOOOO ALL THIS DISCUSSION IS BADShut the fuck up and kill yourself.
>>281957241Toyo is a poor artist but all this pretentious "le guiding your eye" mumbo jumbo with arrows has always been retarded. The first page has perfectly serviceable composition regardless of whether it follows some abstract "eye guiding" rules that don't actually exist.
>>281958277>eye guiding rules don't existI hate when some tertiary cucklord that knows nothing about a given medium tries to act like an authority on said medium. You've probably only read the DB and Super manga.
>>281958277I wont be that much of a pedantic asshole to the point of calling this a hard rule that applies all the time, and in a vacuum I wouldn't be bitching about the first page.But if you look at all of Toyo's works you'll see that >poor choice of panels>too many panels>0 sense of flow between panels (pacing and also guiding your eye)Are making his manga a chore to read. Even if he could draw well it would still be a pretty big issue.
The best direction for the series to go in is animating Moro and Granolah, but giving Toei more liberties like they did with their version of Super's arcs. Meanwhile Toyo figures out how to incorporate Daima content into future Super arcs. It'd be nice to see the Demon Realm again but a version of it that's not faggy and anti-hype.
>>281958277all anti toyo fag critiques are straight from youtube essays lol
>>281958416nowe just read the DBS manga and got annoyed every month seeing the poor choreography and art
>>281958416No, people who read a lot of manga just know what makes manga good. You are a simple retard who can't come up with your own thoughts unless someone feeds it to you from YouTube, so you project that onto everyone else.
>>281958441Goku's head in the bottom always cracks me up
>>281958414Moro and Granolah are garbage not worth animating. If only Toyotaro was not such a pathetic piece of shit hack artist.
>>281958591Go fuck yourself retard.
>>281958591Toei could add more to them, imagine if all Merged Zamasu was known for was throwing blocks.
I blame Viz for putting forth the stupid "written by Toriyama" lie on Super manga, it tricks everyone into believing this was Toriyama's "true canon version of Super, the anime was just the one he didn't care about!!!" and acting like Toyotaro was some kind of prodigy when really, well pic related>Toyo writes up the story>Gives it to editor>Editor gives it to Toriyama>He reads it real quick and either goes "this is dumb, change it" or "I'm bored. I'll just say it's good whatever" And before someone says "cope" Broly, Super Hero, and Daima were works Toriyama truly put passion and effort into. Were they good? Some were some weren'tBut they're what Toriyama actually cared about
>he’s defending daipa now
Tien never truly lost.
>>281958957
>>281958995He's just being nice to Goku.
>>281958995>THAT humbleand that's why is the role model.
>>281959023>>281959038>cope
>>281959052...lin lost.
>>281959069>d-don't talk about that jobber! Talk about THIS jobber instead!Kek.
>>281958995>In terms of actual ability, I'm sorry to say it, but I lost.>My ability to job that is. KWAB! You're a huge fucking jobber Goku! Let's rematch again faggot! I'll kick your ass right now you bitch monkey retard clown!Anyone else disturbed when Tien said this? He was so professional before that.
>>281959132>rematchThat one that ended like this?
>>281959085>tien>jobber
>>281959215Yeah.
>>281959158He's just going easy on Goku because he's training him.
>>281959224
What made HEROHOPESAVIOR such an iconic and beloved character?Was it how he always shows up to help no matter the odds?How he never gives up?How he scaled up to Ultimate Gohan in the Buu arc?
>>281959440Shut the fuck up, gimmickfag.
>>281959081https://youtube.com/watch?v=eE29TpRjPOE
>>281937572You do realize the anime and manga came out at the same time.. right? The anime had no other options than to make up random shit while toriyama took a month to finish one scene while smoking crack, constant continuity errors in both the anime and manga, the manga you read is a “fixed” version of the original weekly manga, corrected drawings e.t.c
>>281959493What else could it be but his tight tight butthole? He grips your dick like an anaconda with that thing. Truly a man among men.
Yayyy can’t wait for the modern remake of dragon ball where all the kid bulma, kid chi chi scenes are cut out, all the dirty jokes are gone, “peak anime 2025”Season 1: The entirety of Og dragon ball, cause “Muh hecking filler bad”, just cram everything in there, 10 episodes, roshi is replaced by a black woman of color, roshana, popo is gone, and instead of “pointless yelling” the characters result To gay Reddit humor, goku decides to end up every conflict with a song about gay sexSeason 2: Saiyan arc, namek arc, Freeza arc, timeskip, trunks arc, just cram everything there, only 10 episodes baybe, Zarbon is in an homosexual relationship with dedoria now, freeza comes out as non binary and goku affirms his pronouns, bulma is lesbian now btwSeason 3: Android arc, cell arc, buu arc, end of z, only 8 episodes this time, cram everything, cell is actually transgender, android 17 is now a gay femboy twink, krillin doesn’t save 18 Because she didn’t consent to being saved, the series ends with an advertisement for Canadian healthcareWait… I just described Steven universe
>>281960196Gentlemen, get this scholar in contact with whoever the FUCK has the Dragon Ball rights, POST-HASTEMake sure to write everything down, for THIS is what our beloved yet meaninless franchise both NEEDS and DESERVES
>>281959493imagine what he could achieved if he were betrayed and locked in the time chamber for 1000 years
>>281960412TRVE as a Bejitachad I love all shows about gay aliens
>>281952967what about copy paste move sets on repeat titillates you so? And the 5 minute scream sessions when powering up? And the 5 minute fights extended to 250+ minutes with most of it being drawn out shots of the landscape? You are a mental midget, my guy.
>>281957274The original artists can't even compete with the majestic panels from MULTIVERSE
>>281949052the rest of the funi lines are superior in every single way. its not even close. who the fuck cares if its a lil closer to original, it doesnt land right when you hear it
>>281961185Toyotaro lost, Toei lost and Toriyama lost forever too.
Thank fuck Shitper ain't canon anymore. Thank you Daima, Iyoku and Toriyama, we will never hear from Tracertaro again.
>>281961383This
I won
>>281961383Why would you even want Daipa to be canon?Super for all its faults at least had something to it. What do you want to return to Daipa for? To revisit the Demon Realm and see the...supermarkets?
>>281937572i'm gonna keep it a hundred-thousand-million with you. i don't know if it's time, or the way the gacha games and FighterZ glazed Super Saiyan Blue and Ultra Instinct, or how much i enjoyed Heroes, but i don't pop for original Super Saiyan the way i used to anymore. that's part of why i wasn't very interested in Daima. a remake of original DBZ without all the good, additional material the old showrunners added to enhance the story sounds like a colossal waste of time and resources. i don't think i would watch a single episode.remaking DBZ also presents a problem that Kai struggled with, and that's that OG DBZ was redubbed and even rescored in some countries, so many people had different experiences with the series, and you can't accurately represent all of those and make everyone happy. it would basically just be fan service for Japan, and 30-40 year old weebs.
>>281958046It is if goku is part if the reason why he keeps producing more demons and weakening himself.You can even have him "kill" goku like the original, get his wish, then make a few more minions to do various things, and when goku comes back and beats him, he tells piccolo that he's weaker than the last time, and that the fight was disappointing.So piccolo tells him his next creation will surpass him in every way, in time. He spits out piccolo and then we have a clear reason for Goku to let him go all out at the next tournament.
>>281938430>Nobody cares about the Ranma remake.That's not what the numbers say.
how about just remake each arc as a movie?
Tenjobcuck is a jobber.
The second Bejita threatened to kill the Z-Fighters to stop them from killing Dr. Gero before he could make the Androids, they all, including Goku, should have ganged up on him and killed him. The world is better off without that balding manlet.
As much as SHIThan sucks, I still think he should have killed Buu. At least then he wouldn’t be seen as completely worthless.
>>281963512Why does this guy win every single fight against the MC?
Why did Nappa have to die?
>>281963512If we talk, we will be in trouble. Anyways anon, how much do you despise Super?
>>281963553Vegeta has more raw strength while Goku has buffs.
>>281963631Nappa never realized how psychopathic his Saiyan brother was. He should have realized something was off with how Vegeta shat on Raditz and the idea of having children with humans.
>>281937572Replace dragon ball with pocket monsters. The OG manga was beyond perfect.
Is /dbs/ kill?
>>281963447MistareFusion...
>>281937572I'd rather watch a emake (no the 90s series doesn't count as Atale's hair is supposed to be purple & not brown) of Doctor Slump as they'll get
>>281965783it's Arale you idiot
It do be like this
Any updates on Toyotaro? Is he still alive?
>>281967016No.
Why won’t Toyo save us? Where is he? He’s supposed to be the “successor”.
He's right.
>>281961082>Who cares if it's the actual story, my retarded American ears can't comprehend anything but capeshit adjacent garbage
>>281965827it was a typo you ugly obese pig
>>281968790Why is Broly such a hero? Just last week he came to my aid when I was getting attacked.
>>281937572I'm pretty okay with Kai 2bh. It fixes a lot of the autistic things my friends and I noticed when it was serialised, and all the filler being removed is great.Now if they wanted to do the same thing with Dragonball the anime I'd be content with that.
>>281942326>So you're saying the filler is woven into the story and actually adds to it?I'm convinced people only say this because they only remember the very, VERY rare bits of decent filler or generic MUHFUGGIN FEETZ DOOD like Vegeta erasing that bug planet in the Saiyan Arc while memoryholing the vast majority of all the crap that's purely a detriment to the story
>>281971901That was a known Tardhandog who also considers the shitty Funi dub to be the definitive experience and calls the manga an "unfinished prototype" , everything that comes out of his mouth is retarded.
>>281971901People will be like "OMG I loved the driving episode Haha best filler evar!" And forget about the abysmal dozens of episodes of filler of Namek
>>281972589The mirror ship was pretty good to be fair, but Fake Namek is fucking abhorrent. There's no excuse for that shit.
>>281937572>remakeI'd prefer a what-if retelling. Instead of Goku being sent to Earth, it's Vegeta.
>>281960384>>281959493>>281937572 "I, BEJITA-sama, Prince of the Sayians humbly kneel to:Gokek-sama, who somehow exceeded my status and royal powerBulma-sama, my 2nd mistress and princess of bath-time..Trunks-sama, whom i will beat the shit out of if he doesn’t train properly again Broccoli-sama, who my daddy warned me about.Cell-sama, who easily manhandled me in his Imperfect form.Nappa-sama, who i betrayed and my former caretakerBulla-sama, the daughter i cared for but disappointed by her dearly…”
Bruce timm style
only remake i want to see a version of dragon ball with 100 more scenes of bulma naked, but noooooo much hecking modern audience will never let us
>>281974200Cool.
>>281973261Source of fan art? I love the style & would love to commission them to make me a drawing of Speed (Mifune Go) making love to Trixie (Shimura Michi)
>>281974098So wait, does that mean we're all gonna turn into choclate and get abosrbed by some pink fucker?
>>281975145Based Mach GoGoGo chad.
>>281975266
A remake would have to start with Raditz, since modern audiences are too fucking retarded to pay attention to the slow burn adventure series that Dragon Ball started as. Back before the series was about who had the bigger number and could shoot the bigger laser. It was about characters and their interactions with each other and the whimsical world that Toriyama built. It was a battle shonen with crazy superpowered characters, sure, but it also focused on grounded, relatable problems, like Nam entering the Strongest Under the Heavens Tournament to get water for his village, and the antagonistic, violent rivalry between the Crane and Turtle Schools. Characters had to use ingenuity and all their accumulated skill that we actually saw built up over the course of multiple arcs to overcome challenges instead of just screaming until their number got bigger.All anyone cares about today is more hair colors. Because of that, a DB remake would be soulless and pointless, because it would ignore the series' roots.
more like western audiences have taste and don’t want to watch weird pedophile panty shot unfunny gag shit for 400 hours and just want character drama and conflict because they aren’t mentally stunted escapist babies
and this, is to go.. even further beyond!HYAAAAAGHHHH
>>281937572>I get we have a lot of nostalgia for the old Toei anime but it shouldn't be the end all be all for an adaption of DByes it should
Scqt
>>281975703You've never even read or watched Dragon Ball and consider gags that take up less than 10% of its runtime to be the entire series. Don't ever talk about things you don't understand when I'm in the thread again, do you fucking understand me?
>>281977903Sure getting some familiar vibes there, what does it remind me of?
>>281974200Hot.
It looks like shitty concept art because they didn't want to directly rip 4 from gt
>>281980586>Vegeta kneeling to TienThis happened.
Rest in Piss, PDF file
>>281937572>SlopmakesHow about something new?
>>281937693GT should have been remade as several OVAs instead of Doodooma
>>281938014>Ranma, One Piece, all having faithful remakes
>>281981697One Piece facial expressions be like
>>281944495>little booboos is blood and goreand not to mention, Daima straight up toned it down by release.
>>281981666>filenamePan is great.
>>281981666That face she makes right at the beginning is upsetting.
You know what's funny in a really sad way?Had Toyotaro skipped Super Hero like he did Resurrection F and Broly, then we might actually have gotten a real conclusion to the whole Black Freeza and "real strongest in the universe" thing before Toriyama died and we wouldn't really have this nagging sensation of incompleteness just because there is a petty rights dispute going on.
>>281953374I don't think you understand: when people say there's no blood in Super, there's NOT ENOUGH.Same goes for Daima, there's no excessive blood anywhere.
>>281981782It made no sense for him to be bleeding in that scene so it was appropriate for them to remove it.
>>281982614Are you dumb or just stupid?
>>281982694>ad hominemGoku lost.
>>281982614>"i-it was removed for consistency sake!">entire show goes without any bloodsport and forgettable injuries What terrible cope you're on.
>>281982758Nobody is talking about SHITku, you brainless sack of jiggling, unloved lard.
>>281959493Makoto’s master…
>>281981782Ratku shouldn’t make his master bleed in a simple sparring match.
>>281983146It gives better context on their personal training though
>>28198338418 THOUGHT ME THIS TECHNIQUE!TAKE THIS!B.B. CRUSHER!
>>281967616He's making his own SS4
>>281975557Bold of you to assume I give a shit about anything before Namek and transformations.
>>281984448>I'm a retarded American secondaryRight, so you're worthless.
>>281979738 Cute and canon.
>>281983384
>he's talking to himself while having never actually read or watched Dragon Ball
>>281979738I wish I was Bejita
You Bulma, I choose you to be the first of my victims!
Your hero jobs to Majin Ozotto
>>281958995>edited image
Bejitabros...
>>281989869My family tree looks like this
>>281989869Who was the original Trunks's father then?
>>281990042Far far future Trunks
>>281990042Trunks
>>281990042Sknurt
>>281984573>I'm a CHAD AMERIGOD primary
>>281990042Mr Briefs
Bulma fucks anything and anybody but Bejita
>>281990461Nice cope Gokubro.
>>281989631>>281989650>>281989869>281990042>281990226>281990284>fanfic>headcanonWhy are Gokufaggots like this?
anything and anybody is so lucky
>>281975557I don't think DB needs a remake. A lot of criticism people have for DBZ is really Toei's doing since they were stretching the material very thin. Just like they did with One Piece. Even early in this thread people made a comment about the endless screaming and powering up shit, which aren't faults of the original manga. A good director and a high budget would make for a good remake of the source material. The issue is they should have done it 20 something years ago when they did Kai instead of a haphazardly smashed together edit.
>Toyo still working for Shueisha and drawing one-shots every month>Uchida saying that the manga won't be coming back in 2025.>Toyo saying that the would like to take a crack at Dragon Ball as a solo mangakaSo, is Shueisha not giving permission to Toyo to work on the manga?
Bluebros....
>>281991549Maybe Blue should have been Orange instead.
>>281991549three of my favorite forms! it's just missing Rose and LSSJ.
>>281991390>when you tear a page out of a Dragon Ball Z coloring book to give to a kid, and you give them a box of crayons including every color EXCEPT yellow
>Jujutsu Kaisen came back before the DBS mangaShueisha...
https://youtu.be/Mk451V_JQ1k?t=45sSpeaking of remakes, I really like how during the Number One speech they went back and redid the old anime moments but actually made them accurate to the manga in art and story boarding.
>>281993091Nice catch, I never noticed that. Only the higher Buu saga quality. Wish we could've gotten that for all of Z
https://youtu.be/_jrb0xac2XQI really need to watch the Japanese sub from beginning to end someday. The OST and extra sound effects are wonderful.
>>281937572
>>281991549But red hasn't won a fight eitherSSJ4 stands tall though!
>>281991390Super is a joint property owned by Shueshia and Capsule Corp. Both are in a heated legal battle for the rights to the Dragon Ball IP. Shueshia cannot continue the Super manga nor make a new DB manga and Iyoku cannot continue any Super anime/movies but CAN make new animated properties with DB (Daima for example and we'll probably get that movie that was said to be in pre production a few years back) As for the next anime, who knows.
https://youtu.be/m-FVRAD_eSs
>>281937613Gohan is the Mary Sue here, let's not pretend he isnt.
>>281937693They did, it's just daima and it was better.
>>281991390would you, after he shit out these crayon drawings? i wouldn't.
>>281937572Dragon Ball should have stayed dead. Nothing of value has come from its return.
>>281994357Post your art.
>>281991390Disgusting art
>>281994492i'm not a mangaka, and i wasn't personally tutored by Toriyama for 10 years. false equivalence.
>>281989869K, b, c.>>281990042Goku.
>>281991390>>281993722Such a weird legal situation. I wonder why Shueisha is fighting this hard when they don't really like Dragon Ball compared to One Piece.
>>281997842They don't like Dragon Ball, but they love the money that comes with it. It's Shueisha's most lucrative franchise worthy of around $45-50 billion dollars (estimate). That's more money than One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and nearly every single series published by Shueisha.
can you help a clueless brainlet herei am starting dragon ball for the first time but there are 3 different editions: dragon ball, dragon ball color and dragon ball perfectionwhich do you rec?
>>281997940Never heard of perfection before, do you have a pic?Otherwise the original B&W manga is probably the best way to go
>>281997926Is it possible that they are maybe afraid of actually losing the IP rights to CCT? Dragon Ball generates a lot of passive income and Toriyama seemed to be on board with Iyoku.
>>281997940You probably meant Viz Big editions. They're high-quality 3-in-1 volumes. "Perfection" might be a mistranslation of kanzenban, which is the premium re-release in Japan. Only some of those are available in English under the Viz Big label.Anyway, go with the Viz Big editions if you want the full story, solid quality, and a good reading experience without needing to take out a mortgage. Also looks nice on the shelf. If you want eye candy and don't care about owning the whole story, Full Color is your side piece. Though, if you can read Japanese, the Full Color actually covers the entire manga.
>>281997999Absolutely They do not care in the slightest for Dragon Ball, they view it as a money property first and foremost Shueshia owning DB would be utter hell for the franchise.
>>281998055Ah so he meant these Yeah>>281997940Pic related is the 3 volumes in 1 editions and they're probably the best way to go if you're looking to grab em off Amazon or something
>>281998074Didn't they plan to use Dragon Ball to train their AI algorithm or something?
>>281997940NEVER go for the color editionKanzenban (perfect) is the best if you canOtherwise Viz is competent enough
>>281997940 Watch the anime, manga is for pseuds
>>281999039This.
People who said GT was canonised because Daima had Super Saiyan 4 was really weird. It's more like how when Broly and Gogeta appeared in Super, the idea is taken from some non-canon media but it doesn't mean said media became canon, Broly and Gogeta's appearances in Super are for all intents and purposes new versions of those characters, it's treated like they had never showed up before and the events that happened to the previous versions still make no sense even if they weren't.If Super Saiyan 4 is meant to show that GT counts and even if we're meant to ignore Super, how does that make sense? You still get a similar problem to the "Why don't Goku, Gohan, Piccolo and Vegeta God/Blue/Instinct/Ego/Beast/Orange in GT?" thing you get if you trying harmonise Super and GT, except now it becomes "Why don't Goku use 4 before the Baby fight, why is it treated like he has never used it before, why did does it turn him into an adult in GT but not Daima and why are the unlocking conditions completely different?". Hell, at least with trying to harmonise Daima Super in that particular regard amount to explaining why Goku doesn't use 4 in a fight he lost almost right away and why Vegeta didn't use 3 in a fight he didn't intend to participate in and only did so on anger impulse.
>>282000835kek so this is the original
Daily Kencuck melty>>282001816Kiwifarms won
>>282001928 Go back
these halls has NOT moved in 2 days...
>>282001957I will when he stops samefagging to his own ESL posts>>282001932>>282001876>>282001371
>>282001997 Lmao you're mad right now
>>282002261But I like making fun of lolcows
>>282002275 Even though you'the one being made fun of on Eva threads. Kekaroo!
>>282002290Holy ESL
>>281998140Wouldn't put it past them
>>282001970>Greed kills beloved IPtales as old as timeI knew it'd be a shitshow as soon as Toriyama's death was announced.
>>281937572The problem is, all the adult nakedku scenes are noncanon. Would it be DB without this glorious ass?
>>282003842Forgot pic.
Surnames are very rare in dragon ballThe only known examples are the Son family, and Bejita adopting his wife's surname, Gewelle.There's also the Dr. Slump characters but they don't really count.
>>282003866
>Kek. Sav-ACK!
>>281999039>>281999749Retarded posts>>281997940Dodge anime at all costs
Live!
