Kazekage Rescue MissionChapter 274: Impossible DreamPrevious chapter: >>282501328 chapter 273Start: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/subject/Daily%20Naruto%20Chapter/filter/text/page/7/Believe it!Thanks for joining and reading.My bad about my lacking lately.[/sage]
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>>282561344why didn't he just kill her here
>>282561307I always liked how sad Kakashi's default face looks.
>>282561405He literally tries it in this same page but Sakura stops the blade, and then she heals her wound at the same time in the next page
>>282561419His default expression is really interesting because he somehow looks glum and bored at the same time, like he’s trying to be apathetic but all the tough shit he’s been through still slips through the cracks
>>282561405She's holding the blade in place.
Thank goodness, I thought you dieded OP
>>282561418>>282561610>ahhh so this is how 3rd Hokage felt
>>282561418Sasori has been glazing Sakura throughout this entire fight.
Did one of his hundred dolls just happen to also look like his main one or does any doll he takes over shapeshift into him?
>>282561560>why?!Even without considering she's over 70 and you're a kid and only thinking rationally about the current fight... You can heal her later. You can make antidotes. The poison doesn't kill you instantly, it takes 3 days. You need physical strenght to fight. She can fight without moving, she uses puppets.You're retarded, Sakura.
>>282561648She did good healing but that's about it
>>282561651The former
>>282561560Look i get that sakura want to protect this ramdom person because that what a ninja medic should do but for fuck sake she has super strenght why would you hold the blade why not just break it in half ?
>>282561468>>282561558>paralysis vanishes
>>282561323>Super strength>Close enough to stop the blade>Even to hit Sasori>Tanks it instead>>282561344>Medical ninja with super strength >Could easily break the blade or just attack Sasori>Sits there and let's him twist the knifeWhat a masochist
>>282561727ACK
>>282561672They had limited ingredients for the medicine, probably they can't get more in 3 days.
>>282561648I'd glaze her all throughout if you know what I mean.
>>282561688That's some bullshit>>282561754Considering that Orochimaru was interested in immortality, it seems unlikely he wouldn't have experimented with puppets. Wish we could've seen some Oro puppets
>>282561797She can extract the poison anyway, she did it with Kankuro
>>282561825That wasn't enough to fully heal him, presumably because it doesn't get rid of finer parts of the poison.
>>282561688>>282561727once again Kishimoto didn't actually show this happen but I'll forgive it since it's clearly supposed to be a surpriseif only he didn't do it all the time lel
Sasori easily wins this fight if he just takes a step back before reengaging. He's already dealt the decisive blows. He pretty much drops all of his tactics and puppet master ways for them to win
>>282561821Becoming a puppet doesn't make you immortal, the human part still ages. IMO it makes less sense why he didn't try Kakuzu's jutsu or Hidan's Jashin ritual
>>282561817Whoa Chiyo is a medical ninja too? How convenient
It's weird how bad this daily is. I guess Naruto just aged poorly and now we're all seeing it for what it is? Maybe it's the posters? Maybe it's OP? Idk what it is, but these threads are rarely enjoyable /:
>>282561895To be fair I’m positive they mentioned that earlier
>>282561879>the human part still agesStill arguably gives him more time to research/find his grail jutsu, and puppet body swapping makes his chance of dying in combat much less likely and the swap is instant unlike his 4 year thingy
>>282561895Keep reading
>>282561949You didn't "aim" she threw herself on your sword
>>282561727kino
>>282561879>human part still agesProof?
>>282561961He's coping now that he lost.
>grandma kills grandson>grandson gets killed my grandma>nobody focused on that fact, dialog focused on protag team sakura insteadWhat is this trope called
>>282561821Orochimaru wasn't nearly as knowledgeable as he liked to pretend he was. He barely knew anything about the byakugan, for example, despite growing up in their home village. He presumably gave very little fucks about the sharingan until Itachi obliterated his entire clan (he seemed to be totally unaware of the fact that you could harvest and swap them into a non-Uchiha body like Kakashi and Danzo had done)
>>282562041main characters matter more, except when Shikamaru is involved
>>282562032>breathe life into a puppet>puppet with no brain or memory or sense of self just berserks and runs into a wall to off itselfReally, chiyo?
>>282561896A little bit of A, a little bit of B.
>>282562065Anon, pls. Kishi didn't think about the logistics
>>282562065it's clearly supposed to be similar to Orochimaru's dead summoning jutsu, except instead of requiring a human corpse to inject the soul into it gets put into a puppet instead. It would've been Sasori's actual parents, transferred into puppet bodies.
>>282562002I don't think we ever see this technique used again. Seems pretty useful, you can sacrifice peons for people with .pre importantance.
>>282562121>>282562065Did Chiyo not watch Full Metal Alchemist to know that's a bad idea? Is she stupid?
>>282562121>It would've been Sasori's actual parents, transferred into puppet bodies.I mean I get that but then here she's saying she's using that very jutsu but transferring life into a dying/living person, so it's technically a whole ass other jutsu, not "the one I spent years creating for you".
>>282562032Ehhh breathing life into a puppet still sounds ass if it doesn’t turn it into an organic body
>>282562149>>282562032I wish Kishi expanded a bit more with Sasori's expressions here. I get what he's going for with the dumbfoundedness, but could we maybe hint at some>grandmother actually spent her life never forgetting me, crafting a jutsu for me just so I could have my parents embrace once again, so much so that the jutsu may cost her own life?
>>282562166>Ehhh breathing life into a puppet still sounds ass if it doesn’t turn it into an organic bodyDollfucker bros, our response...?
>>282562132like many things in this series you have to understand that most characters are shortsighted and nothing practical is ever done. It's why you can have shit like hyuga's getting kidnapped yet diabolical masterminds like Oro don't even consider getting Sasuke nor Kimimaro some breeding sows. Don't get me started on summon fuckery
Chapter 274: Impossible DreamEND Tomorrow: Reward...!!
Is this a joke thread? Link for 273 is just 272.
>>282562152in the Narutoverse, spirits are physical thing that upon death are literally harvested by the reaper demon thing. What Chiyo is doing is basically trading her own spirit for Sakura's because it was in the process of being extracted. Like what Third tried to do with Orochimaru. All of those jutsu involving death and resurrection are supposed to be different approaches that lead to the same end result. like how 2+2 and 7-3 both equal 4.
>>282562220Kimimaro had some weird disease affecting his body and he was like 15 when he died, it may have been impossible for him to reproduce. As for Sasuke - who knows? Maybe Orochimaru has his genes preserved and stored away somewhere and he’s just waiting for the right moment
>>282561297>>282562267>>282532070 *
>>282562325Hi dailyfaggot
>>282562300I fuck up a lot, it's only human.
>>282562379Check the timestamps
>>282562294He met Kimimaro when he was a child before he was sick. Dudes can have kids from the moment they can cum and he has super doc Kabuto helping. This is an extremely cut-throat setting where genes are a goldmine. It's just poor writing. Same for Sasuke and his 1 whore of a daughter
>>282562426Yo, my beloved kouhai
See? I fucked up again and forgot the file
>>282562453Idk what that is, but nice to know you're the racist poo obsesser
>>282562490It means underclassmen, and no I don't use slurs with you.
>>282562404>"restore my clan"? hmmm don't know what that means. anyways I should try to get some alone time with sauske to see if he likes me. Maybe I should make fun of stupid naruto and his dead parents. I'm sure he'll find that hilarious!
>>282562490how do you get that out of kouhai
>>282562244thanks
>>282561727Those swords' entries and exits don't line up at all
The anime saved this fight.
>>282562546The thread does. Cool it with "racist" like you're an antifa terrorist.
Sasori was cool, too bad he died so early in Part 2. How would you have used Sasori in the story going forward if he didn't die here?
>>282562621As a matter of fact I'm antifa
>>282562641Cringe ngl
>>282562621Really weird how quickly "the thread" dies when you get called out, racistfaggot
…Music? Here…?
>>282561405Sasori is a serial killer moonlighting as a ninja. I guess he gets turned on by hardcore Sakura is and the ryona distracts him. Chiyo is already established as the one Suna boomer who will do anything for her Grandson, even drowning him in Leaf pussy
>>282562627If I wasn’t so lazy I feel like you could probably try to combine Sasori and Zetsu into one character, something about the way they’re the corpse men, are the ones that most plausibly gather information, etc.
>>282562692 Sometimes I can dump with no discussions happening, it's active when it's active.
>>282562594The puppets stabbed him with 4 swords
>>282561560fake drama as usual>>282561688why was he so desperate to kill her>>282561727> how do i draw swordt. kishimotoAlso that soul container looks incredibly handy. Converting yourself into a being of pure chakra that possesses normal objects is as powerful as it is ill-defined here.>>282561817The whole point of giving Sakura the antidote was so she could control her chakra and heal Chiyo, not the other way around. FFS can't kishi keep his own story straight for half a chapter?
>>282561344>>282561418>>282561452>>282561518>>282561560You can let go of the sword anytime you want Sasori.>>282561610Sure took you long enough.
>it’s all downhill for Sakura from here
>>282561949>a spot you can't heal very easily Her left kidney?
>>282562951“Life energy” techniques are funny to me, how exactly do you go about practicing such a thing without dying?
Man it's a good thing this jutsu is never brought up ever again because there's a shit ton of problems that could be solved or arise from the fact it exists at all.
>>282562932The best Sakura chapter is yet to come
>>282562991I forgot what that’s supposed to be, unless you’re being ironic
>>282561727peak
>>282562977I'm not, hell, it was the thread that's been telling me who this poster is if you've been following. I'm an outsider coming back to Naruto to finish it.
ramennigga I don’t think you need to respond to our resident lolcow
>>282563073OP, that's the schizo. He did this same trick before.
>>282562989Any character with a revival technique in Naruto is bound to die right after
>>282563124Based, Ikemoto won forever!
>>282563084 It's fine, I like making myself clear to the void listening, and it's been a while I almost thought he'd left Part 2.
>>282563073>Sasori getting killed by mom and dad in spiritKinda fucked up m8
>The schizo came back with another pitiful attempt to turn everyone against the OP and somehow shutdown the dailies.Dude must be cranky from seeing threads moving along as normal without him, as if he never existed.
>>282562266Kishi should've drew his actual parents here. Like a happy vision Sasori saw before death.
>>282563124The Boruto anime is returning btw. You're about to be shook.
>>282563182Something I find funny about shitposting retards is that, at the end of the day, it functionally leaves zero legacy behindI’ve seen dudes in places like gamefaqs message boards be a pain in the ass for upwards to 15-ish years, but once they get finally banned borderline nobody ever talks about them ever again beyond the initial celebration It’s really just not worth it, not that these guys ever learn until it’s way too late
>>282563134>>282563145>>282563182>>282563216Obvious samefagging is obvious. Very shameful racistfaggot
>>282563305Nope
>>282563296Wow. Much deep. Such insight. Wow very stimulating
>>282563334>quirk chungus
>>282563296>it functionally leaves zero legacy behindThis would imply any of these other posts are leaving a "legacy" behind. What a retarded post. Nobody will talk about this shit daily once it's over except for how shit it is. Who cares?
>>282563296That struck a nerve alright
>>282563145Thanks op
>>282562300>>282562379>>282562426>>282562546>>282562977>>282563124>>282563305I'm the guy who told off curryposter in the previous thread and i'm offended that you ever mistook me for this low-effort cuck.
>>282563495Literally who?
>>282562404if Sasuke actually was concerned with the the restoration of his clan he should've been all over Hinata or some other Hyuuga girl. considering the Uchiha were originally said to be an offshoot of the Hyuuga, they're the closest thing to Uchiha at that point. imagine if he fired off a dozen kids into a Hyuuga and there were a clan of Hyuuga-Uchiha hybrids running around with both sharingan and byakugan
>>282563419>Who cares?Apparently, (You).
>>282563419Definitely struck a nerve with this lol
>>282563519Don't pretend you have amnesia.
>>282563536Projecting anon...
>>282563563>pretend Anon. Pls. I legitimately have no idea what you're referring to. You aren't memorable enough for me to care.
>>282563578Basically i told this guy here >>282562325 >>282562709 to knock it off and got accused of being a Sasukefag. Read the last 20 or so posts from the previous thread.
>>282563526Would be an interesting AU.
nobody fucking cares you fags. Talk about the chapter, the series, or fuck off and let the thread die
>>282563689>let the thread dieThe no life faggots would never let that happen
so does sasori somehow have his organs in that tube or is he just somehow coasting by on pure chakra
>>282563657>Sasuke wants Hinata>Hinata wants Naruto>Naruto wants Sakura>Sakura wants SasukeNaruto, if written by Rumiko Takahashi
Sakura is cute
>>282563808Sasuke…
>>282563526>considering the Uchiha were originally said to be an offshoot of the HyuugaWas that even a thing after its initial loredrop? From what we see during the war arc, the Uchiha basically spouted directly off of one of the sage kids, with no Hyuuga anywhere in sight.
>>282563808Fuck off, random rock ninja
>>282563822in the chunin exams somebody speculates that the sharingan was thought to have evolved from the byakugan. It's left there until you find out that the Byakugan came from Kaguya and the sage had a brother at the very end
It might not get anywhere close to the same power wank as the Sharingan, but at least the Byakugan doesn’t drive you fucking crazy
>>282563663Why do you hate me?
>>282563908byakugan is all fundies and no styleit just werks
>>282563908sharingan making you crazy is propaganda spouted by a racist
>>282563908Sharingan by itself is fine. It's the Uchiha themselves that have brain damage.
Does Kakashi’s Mangekyo actually affect him mentally in any way?
Uchihas are cute
>>282561323>>282561344>>282561418>>282561452>>282561518Why doesn't Chiyo just kill Sasori and heal Sakura later?
>>282561518kishimoto does this gay ass rock pit as his background for 70% of shippuden
>>282562244>>282562266>>282563103>>282563145Arigatou, OP!
>>282563742Chakra is stored in the balls. So that container was a makeshift ballsack. Why didn't he protect it better? It may as well say weak point on the front. What is written on there btw?
>>282563182You know the complaints are forced when the first issue was the previous chapter not being properly linked as if people aren't well aware that more than one chapter can be posted in a thread.
>>282562065it worked in centuria
>>282561323Is Sasori not able to puppet any of the other dolls nearby to attack Chiyo or Sakura? Having only "one blade" shouldn’t be a problem from him at the moment.
>>282561452>>282561518Good guy Sasori letting Chiyo do this instead of kicking the poison out of her hand.
>>282564928anon the good guys have to win
I forgot to mention this last thread but jesus, how the hell is Kankuro supposed to catch up to this? All of his puppets are just old wooded hand-me-downs from Sasori, where on earth are you supposed to get the materials for the real good shit like these guys?
>>282563808Lee...
>>282565008We won’t ever know if Kishi never shows Kankuro develop his own puppets after losing to Sasori. We won’t ever know if Kishi continues to keep Kankuro a bum who uses puppets of others.We won’t ever know if Kishi never plans to do anything with Kankuro in shippuden.
>>282565008he could make his own. In part one he already knew how to install different mechanisms. Outside of the human puppets all this other stuff is just applications of other ninja stuff we've already seen. You can add your own seals, jutsu tags, poisons, etc.
>>282565008>>282565046Do we get a backstory of why Kankuro has Sasori’s puppets? Seems like a connection we might be able to explore, even if it seems Sasori is a goner now.
>>282564714It's the Kanji for Scorpion, Sasori's own name is spelled with katakana
>>282562621>SpoilerHeh, and i was told One Piece was left leaning.
The whole puppet master thing in general is kind of weird because Chiyo and Sasori are related, but Kankuro is this odd one out, made even more glaring with the fact that apparently Suna uses puppets to increase their low numbers by proxy but I'm pretty sure the 3 characters mentioned are literally the only puppet users we even see
What if Chiyo and Sakura chased Deidara while Kakashi and Naruto fought Sasori?
>>282565078No, but I assume it's the same deal as Monzaemon's puppets in that they're a kind of village heirloom and Kankuro gets first dibs as the Kazekages son/proved himself good enough to use them compared to the other Suna puppeters.
>>282565156well what kind of weirdo wants to use puppets when you can shoot fireballs or throw rocks? That said the puppet strings should be ninjutsu 101 because they have insane utility
So... why didn't Sasori have a single human puppet outside the third kazekage?
>>282565207I mean to be fair Sasori was straight up using flamethrowers earlier
>>282565215What?
>>282565218he needs a scroll. Why do that when you can just skip the middleman and do it yourself? In general I don't really see much benefit at all to completely turning himself into a puppet
>>282565246Those aren't human puppets, their attacks are limited to basic puppet weapons (blades) and not jutsu. The ones with the sharingan were an anime-only addition. If even 1/10 of those were human puppets, Sasori could just spam endless basic jutsu to overwhelm them from range.
>>282565277>In general I don't really see much benefit at all to completely turning himself into a puppetThe way that the 3rd Kazekage puppet was able to keep using his kekkei genkai just because it still maintained his chakra from when he was alive is theoretically a pretty big deal, combine that with Chiyo's mastery where 1 finger = 1 puppet and you could theoretically have 10 powerful shinobi at your command, real question is just the ethics of turning peoples' corpses into weapons
>>282565215I checked back and he implies that he does have some more, he just arbitrarily doesn't choose to use them
>>282565246>turn Gaara's grandpa uncle president guy into a puppet so you can throw poisoned stakes>turn thousands of people into puppets so you can throw them like poisoned stakes
>>282565320>Those aren't human puppets, their attacks are limited to basic puppet weapons (blades) and not jutsu. That's because Kishi is a bad writer, not because they aren't human puppets. There's also Hiruko who was also human.
>>282565381Pretty sure Hiruko being a human puppet was anime-only, even if it is cool.
someone joked about the idea of joining the Akatsuki requires signing off your body to Sasori in case you die, but if Suna was more hardcore that would actually be a good way to reuse resources>aw fuck I'm dying>turn me into a puppet, that way you guys can keep using my jutsu
>>282565322not the human puppets in general but he himself as a full puppet. All he gained was some mediocre weapons and a gigantic bullseye
>>282565401This is why Naruto has a million billion fanfics, there's a ton of interesting concepts that you can push to the extremes just with some thought
>>282565392I mean, that's two puppets by Sasori besides the kazekage confirmed to be humans by the anime. Considering how hard this entire fight hammers in how he's lost his humanity and just sees others as tool, it's very weird to assume the rest of the other puppets are all made of wood just because Sasori uses them stupidly(again, because Kishi had to hurry up and finish this four stage fight).
>>282565322>The way that the 3rd Kazekage puppet was able to keep using his kekkei genkai just because it still maintained his chakra from when he was alive is theoretically a pretty big deal,Yeah I thought of that last thread. The fact the human puppets can run off a chakra reserve is really broken, you could effectively just store bodies of low-tier jonin and summon them one after the other for a near-endless army of jutsu-capable puppets. If the 100 puppets were even half-decent humans (assuming they were human puppets at all) then the fight should've ended instantly. Sasori's actual on-paper capabilities are way above anything actually written into the fight
now I'm wondering if you could just make a puppet out of metal and basically have an actual android as your weapon
>>282565531Boruto actually had an arc that feature puppet robots, I think.
>>282565162>Kakashi and Naruto fought Sasoridepends on the poison bullshit. being able to instantly paralyze your opponent with a single scratch is just too worldbreaking. it's the strongest ability sasori has, as his puppets are super fragile. sasori is also presented as quite slow, he has a massive projectile/numbers advantage yet most of his techniques get dodged (obviously because the plot writing of the poison requires sakura/chiyo to not get hit more than once).kakashi and naruto would win with the antitode, lose without it. realistically chiyo would've given them the antidote.
The Akatsuki only contained Sasori, he would have steamrolled the verse if he was allied to the hidden sound.
>>282565524>If the 100 puppets were even half-decent humans (assuming they were human puppets at all) then the fight should've ended instantly.At bare minimum it would really sell the idea that this guy ended an entire country, 100 jutsu-casters under the control of 1 guy is insane
>>282565524my understanding is that the puppets don't have a chakra reserve they just have the nature of the chakra they had when they were living. The puppet master has to inject their own chakra into them it it gets filtered out as the puppet's. Logically it makes no sense for them to have chakra reserves based on how chakra is supposed to work
>>282565531I'm pretty sure one of the Shippuden movies features metal puppets.
>>282565588Come to think of it, I wonder if the only reason why Sasori is also a poison master on top of the rabbit whole of human puppet stuff is just because of the happenstance of Karasu being loaded with a poison bomb in Part 1
>>282565703>rabbit wholeFucking lel I make the dumbest mistakes when it's late, good night guys
>>282565542Its been awhile since that chapter and episode but didn't they mention Sasori during that arc
>>282565608It's stated that it's like 'like a battery', which would imply that it IS a chakra reserve and can run out, but requires no additional chakra from Sasori to cast the jutsu unless the body runs out. This means that if he manages to kill people before they deplete their chakra in combat (which he should be able to, as he's leagues above the average jonin) then he should be able to create a massive army of jutsu-capable puppets that require little to no additional chakra to control.
The logistics of human puppets maintaining chakra is really interesting because I doubt you mystically know all t they they knew in life, but it would still be a unique personalized spin to add more chakra natures indirectly to your arsenal, like making up an entirely new Lightning jutsu to use through the right puppet rather than just automatically knowing what the guy used when he was alive
>>282563822Kishimoto retconned it when the series became about Uchiha wankery. during the Chunin exams Kakashi explicitly says the Sharingan is an inferior offshoot of the Byakugan.
>>282561651Since his body has to have a big hole for his heart or brain or whatever, I assumed one of the hundred just sits nearby ready to have the thing fall into it if anything happens. Kind of like B.Mo from Adventure Time when he changes his batteries
>>282561865He literally committed suicide
>>282565734I don't think so.
that checks out. I was thinking reserve as in replenishing itself but keeping what was already there makes sense. It's still bothersome thinking about how to cast jutsu that aren't simply chakra manipulation through puppets or how stuff like a regular sharingan would be beneficial in a puppet but that's a bridge that never gets crossed
>>282565096Any chance Kishi is smart enough to be drawing a connection to the scorpion and the frog? The scorpion cannot deny his nature, even when it costs him his life. Even the big bad akatsuki Sasori couldn't resist letting mommy and daddy hug him one last time, even if it ruined all his plans and fucked things up for akatsuki, he couldn't deny his heart's wish.
>>282565162It could be written well. No point in discussing Chiyo/Sakura versus Deidara, they can't reach him and the emotional connection is lost. Deidara clears and escapes with Gaara, fulfilling his mission. If he's bored enough to drop explosives on them, he can effortlessly kill them both on his way out.Naruto/Kakashi vs. Sasori is interesting. You could definitely write the fight well, Naruto counters poison by spamming, but 100 puppets takes out endless clones effortlessly so Sasori actually wins the spam war. Kakashi using Kamui once or twice and having to sit the rest of the battle out works well with the fight ending fakeout when Kakashi blows his load to take out Hiruko or even the main body but gets tricked by puppet shenanigans. Then rasengan is literally the perfect ability when you have a big glowing weak point like Scorpion. You could write it well, I'll say it again.
>>282564732Retard
>>282565105OP is a sensitive piece of shit surprise
>>282565401Sasori being able to use his puppet's jutsu was treated as unique to him.
What do you think of the Trap/Clones that are just as strong st the person they’re fighting and can stall any opponent forever?Do we know how they work?
>>282564174This. Kakashi could use the sharingan without any issues because he doesn't have the Apechiha genes that lead them to engagenin antisocial behaviour.
>>282566267it was more Sasori not having any real emotional attachment to Akatsuki's goals, he was just there to presumably to study immortality. Once Chiyo revealed what her plans were for his parents, he lost interest in continuing living (having realised he threw away the chance to revive them) and decided to give Chiyo and Sakura assistance in hunting down Orochimaru instead (whom he had a feud with and wanted dead).
>>282565413Nta but tanking without damage sakura's punches it's pretty good, humans are full of giant targets to hit if you are strong enough to break hiruko>>282565482Considering that he created hiruko before leaving suna probably in the manga it isn't a human puppet
>>282561592What she sees when I approach.
>>282565524Simply spamming his poisoned needles should be enough
>>282562132man, half the posts here are literally the most retarded shit you can imagine.>i bet we will never see this againyou could wait like 5 chapters, or else assume Kankuro becomes kaze. and if the issue is that only Chiyo preforms this, is it actually so hard to imagine that a generational woman with a desire to give her life so her grandson can have a parent again might be capable of developing something that normal fodder never could?i swear this is the dumbest thing in existence and yet you fucking subhumans manage to miss the point of a world built for losers
>>282561297kill yourself narutard
>>282562244Thank you OP.>>282562132>>282562220Anons the literal next page Chiyo specify she created it in a lot of time and only her knows how to do it.>>282562294Kabuto at least had them
>>282562832>The whole point of giving Sakura the antidote was so she could control her chakra and heal ChiyoAnon, the point was obbiously that Chiyo wws sacrificing herself.
>>282563495You were right last thread, people get upt to absolute witch hunts with the sasukeanon, and use it as an excuse to shitpost even more.
>>282562244Thx
>>282565703Nta, I would think it's to avoid extreme damage to the victim, so he can turn it into a puppet.I don't know if Kishi thought of it but it would male sense in universe.
Would dai edo tensei be capable of continuously use the 8 gate?
>>282568541Nobody shitposts in here except the schizo who keeps being assblasted by these threads existing.
>>282568690the "curry sounds" guy is beginning to be a shitpost for its own sake.
>>282568708Sasukeschizo, why do you fail so hard being subtle? Only you care about this instead of discussing the series.
>>282565703>>282568135poison in naruto is implied to be incredibly overpowered but it's always just incompetently used because plot demands it. kabuto, who is a medical ninja, even stated the shizune's poison would've ended him if he inhaled a bit of it.
>>282568755Anon, beyng annoyed at someone who spams the thread is normal, and you accusing everyone of being the schizo is exactly what I was talking about when I said you use witch hunts as an excuse to shitpost.
Sasori LOVE LOVE LOVESasori CUTE CUTE CUTESasori SEX SEX SEX
>>282568755Nta but no the last thread I actually didn't understand why he started, even if the sasukeschizo makes it justified, but it started well before hestarted posting as far as I could tell. He simply didn't devolve in spamming insults to everyone disrupting the discussion unlike someone else but it was kinda annoying
So many deleted posts..... Interesting...!
>>282568679Since edo tensei regenerates all damage taken, I'd assume so. Can't kill your body with a forbidden jutsu if you're already dead
>>282568931Every single currypost is in response to Sasukejeet lashing outIt literally never missed
>>282561817Shouldn't Chiyo be paralyzed after being poisoned and not taking the antidote?
>>282561879The Jashin ritual has a high chance of killing you.>>282561947He can already just shed or spit out a new body whenever he gets too injured. >>282561981Where's the proof that it keeps you immortal?
>>282569079I think it also give limitless chakra so it seem a good combo.>>282569096Maybe i'm just bad at noticing him but lat thread the first three seemed a bit random
>>282569096Nta but that's just your opinion, with your only argument is "it's blatant when it's him", when in actuality often random people are accused to be him, because doing anything someone in the thread dislikes is enough. considering the deleted posts that anon deserved it, because to use "dailyfaggot" it was either him or an imitator, but often people scream that it's the sasukefag for many other reasons.
>>282569133Nta but was it stated that or only that hidan was the only success? Anyway he should have stolen the earth grudge fear considering it was proven to work
Reminder that the schizo has a "skeptic" persona who only appears to defend him by trying say the shitposts are either not him or an imposterin order to smokescreen. Notice how threads have been normal for weeks until the obvious culprit shows up with his usal shenanigans.
>>282569148>>282569145It literally never missed. Every single time jt's there because of the fucking STENCH. The fact that it gets him to seethe everytime is proof enough.
>>282569169Nta but I think it was in a databook>>282569230Anon, accusing everyone who doubt every other post to be him is, again, just witch hunting, like accusing every drawing.>>282569232I don't know, in some past threads I saw it completely randomly.
>>282568987Surely it's just another coincidence!
>>282561344>I plan on marrying Sasuke, you think a wound this small bothers me?
>>282569275>like accusing every drawing
>>282569232Talking like that isn't very convincing, you sound like a schizo>>282569275Is there even any implication hidan was ageless? How old was he, some statement
>>282569275Dude, just stop. You're not fooling anyone. You've done this entire shtick before. You're even bringing the fucking drawings. Goddamn, man.
>>282569322You have issues, but I see you just want to shitpost, so have fun>>282569323In the wiki they say he's 22, but I have no idea on their sources.I tought he was older
>>282562294kimi is a child of highly powerful genes, which, if rare as they are, must be recessive. only way to create a carrier of these strong traits is inbreeding, thus concentrating recessives. only other example of this kind of chronic illness is itachi, the other strongest prodigy of the showturns out that inbreeding for the sake of maintaining a power that's so rare is chronic illness....... mendelian bros rise up (& accept the Byakugan is better bc you don't have to make the best of your kids guaranteed to die by 20, instead you can just train your kids and they can awaken it without having to suffer)
>>282569341Not him.>You're even bringing the fucking drawingsBecause that's the thing that most of all impressed me, I never saw, on any other community, a similar obsession on a shitposter, even if annoying. I get I entered these threads after he was already diminishing, in part because of him, so I don't know how bad he was, but it's still obsessive.
>>282569312have to imagine Sasuke is, canonically, not packing. Hinata sleeps beside Naruto every night, but Sakura can go 10yrs without dick. the implication is clear
>>282569323It's the schizo. I'm already seeing deja vu with his posts. He's probably going to keep gaslighting until he has another meltdown and starts spamming the threads. Good grief.
Yep... My nose didn't fool me...
>>282569383Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not him even though you keep downplaying him and trying to slyly defend his honor and blame the other posters and bring up the same complaints.
>>282569450Not really? I'm not defending him, he was extremely annoying, when I first tried to enter Naruto threads I thought everyone was like him simply because of how much he spammed and returned only with these dailies, every time he appears he's just spamming shitposts faster than I manage to report him, letting me discover there is a limit to how many reports you can file before they force you to take a break.He's by far the worst shitposter in these threads, it's just that using him to namecall everyone you dislike, or that does anything he did, like drawing, is just a different way to shitpost.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar
How would kakashi fight the kazekage puppet? To make it extra hard he can't use the head hunter because sasori doesn't have answers to that>>282569450Nta but how is he bringing the same complaints? He isn't insulting anyone>>282569506This is him, attacking the op for absolutely no reason makes it pretty clear as far as I can tell
>>282569509If you insult the OP and the threads with the same excact insults and mannerisms, you're him. This is not a debate. Sorry everyone can see through you easily. You're trying to angle your complaints as common when they're very niche. The threads have gone weeks with no problems until now with the easy to identify shitposts.
>>282569528More than two, we've seen it.
>>282569558But he didn't insult neither OP nor the thread, only a less annoying spammer than the sasukeschizo
>>282569558I never insulted either OP or the threads, the only things I said to OP was thanks, and I like these threads, the one I insulted is the "curry sounds" poster.
>weeks of discussing Naruto and Naruto only>jeet shows up>suddenly tons of "people" are metaposting about OP, about people calling out "drawfags" and generally these threadsHmmmm... Peculiar...
>>282569550You literay just made a falseflagging post to deflect. Look at how that shit just conviently popped up when you felt cornered. This is pathetic. >"See? It's not me, it's that guy!"Good lord.
>>282569615I know perfectly that he spammed on at least 4 different devices so I can't convince you of anything but you are a schizo, anyway opinions on my question separately from this drama?
>>282569603I'm honestly stunned. Does this retard seriously believe he's convincing anyone? We had weeks of normal threads and now suddenly the shitposts pour in and I'm supposed to think it's not from our usual schizo? The guy has the brain of a bot.
>>282569672>you are a schizoPot caling the kettle black. Stop pretending you have any interest in this seriess besides derailing out of "revenge" because your shitty /nart/ died.
Would the kazekage be able to use the same moves as ryuu or only a shinju can do those?>>282569707I literally never read a nart and i'm trying to rerail it, all the last posts are about the schizo or the curryposter after some of the best thread we had, can we try to discuss something of the manga?
>>282569603I'm one of those you refer to, and I'm just complaining about this exact behavior because only now it's happening, normally the threads are normal and I don't have any complaint.>>282569707Nta, and yet he's the one who talked about the manga rather than your drama>>282569550Argaubly the sharingan could allow him to doge the iron sand, and the water dragon might be able to damage a puppet like it.Anyway Sasori's answer to head hunter would simply to mantain elevation, if it's the subterannean jutsu.
>>282569754I doubt the kazekage could use Ryuu's moves, else Sasori would have kinda autowon the moment they were in the Kazekage's general area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIK1gBhzXkKIMI-WOOOOOOO~~~
>>282569799Does he have any way to fly? Considering his puppets can and his body is a puppet it may even be possible>>282569816I'm not asking if the kazekage could do it much less Sasori, only if it could be done at all
>Sasori and Orochimaru were PARTNERS in Akatsukiname a single character that could beat them 2v1 snakes and puppets and poison all up your assnobody can handle that
>>282569869>Does he have any way to fly?not even that anon but his biggest ENTER moment was using his tail to avoid standing directly on the ground
>>282569905just to clarify I realize that's not flying but he is deftly avoiding touching the ground and he appears to have quite a degree of control over it I don't think you're getting him with Headhunter
>>282569916My main problem with headhunter, jirobo digging, kisame swimming inthe earth is that it allow you to reach the enemy in a way that's both very hard to detect and very difficult to counterattack, only to never be used. Now I wonder how they sense the enemies aboveground
>>282569955Why would they use them, what are they, some kind of fucking ninja?
>>282569955well there's an entire suite of non-descript "sensory ninjutsu"I guess the most famous/basic/obvious one is the one Minato and Tobirama both used, where you touch 2 fingers to the ground and it's like a kind of sonar-sensing where you get a general idea of how many people there are in a certain areaHonestly I've never been sure if we're meant to interpret this as an actual Earth-style techniqueor a "sensory ninjutsu"or just a basic technique that everybody should be able to do but just never does on-panel? because it seems pretty FUCKING useful
>>282570101>both Tobirama and Minato used itit's a Spacetime Ninjutsu
>>282570101Other villages have kage bunshin? Anyway I just thought neji using it, he can see for sure, to appear near the enemy and instantly stop his chakra flow
>>282570152From what we see, no, Kage Bunshin still seems to be a Konoha original. Although Tobirama did invent it a long time ago, so it's surely gotten around. But most ninja never use it. Not even the basic one.Most ninja that we see use Elemental Clones if they're going to bother making a solid clone. Doesn't make sense to use Kage Bunshin in most situations unless you absolutely have to fool a byakugan user or somebody with that level of perception. Even then it costs way too much chakra.>Anyway I just thought neji using it, he can see for sureSure, but he can already do that with Byakugan. He has 360-degree X-Ray vision that extends for like 10km. He doesn't need any buffs when it comes to sensing or seeing things.
>>282570195Minato was thinking that there might be kage bunshinAnyway I was talking about moving under the earth to get near the enemy undetected seeing wit the byakugan and launch a point blank six palms
>>282570302Sure, if Neji had Earth affinityI don't think we ever found out was his element(s) were
>>282570336Nta, according to the wiki he has fire, earth and water.
>>282570568yeah but that's all databook stuff, which is dubiously canon at best
Theoretically most of the cast should have a diverse arsenal of elemental or supplementary ninjutsu, just because they all end up being Joninbut they don't because int he world of Naruto, the best path to victory is to be a SpecialistLook at all of the top tiers. They all have a handful of jutsu, sometimes less than 5, that are absolutely perfect for their skillset and MO. They make the absolute best use of their best skills and don't bother learning C-rank Water ninjutsu just because they have the affinity for it
>>282570712That's just because Kishimoto is a lazy retard who has neither the desire nor the capability to make fights featuring more than 2 distinct moves.
>>282570712For example you can sum up Naruto's arsenal as>Shadow Clone mixups>Rasengan Variants>Toad Summoning>Sage Mode>???that's enoughthat WORKS. You don't actually need more than that
>>282570743I will defend Kishimoto for once: it would be quite annoying to have to write every fight with everyone having access to vanilla shit. It's just not very easy to pull and maybe not that interesting
>>282570743no it's because he understood what genre he was working in
>>282570746You still need frog punch to oneshot MS Sasuke
>>282570760yeah you get itlike imagine if Shikamaru had access to every single jutsu that was "canon C or B-tier" of like 3 different elementsevery fight would be nothing but>why didn't he use water prison, that's a B-rank jutsu and he should have B-rank water affinity
>>282570568Earth and Water are busted, surely the strongest Elemental ReleasesWind and Lightning are kinda middling, seem very limited to me, especially LightningFire is pure jobberOf course, Yin / Yang Yin-Yang Releases are just cheat codes that make the Elemental Releases like jokesWhen it comes to the kekkei genkai releases>Wood is plot device-tier of broken>Ice is secretly broken>Lava is Fire 2.0, so jobber tier>Storm is Lightning 2.0 and just better, but still nothing incredible>Boil is even worse Fire>Dust for some fucking reason it's broken as fuck and nothing really comes out of it>Explosion is Deidara-tier, nuff said>Scorch is yet another Fire-tier jobber release>Magnet is just better Gaara-tier
>>282569603Best thing you can do is ignore him.
>>282570760Then he should have just said from the very beginning that ninjas have only a few moves at best instead of stating the exact opposite thing.It's all entirely self-inflicted.
>>282569880Me
>>282570778>Wind and Lightning are kinda middlingWind is the single best element and it's not even closeWater is a distant 2nd
>>282566578Don't reply to me again.
>>282570746>that's enoughOf course that's enough when those jutsu are>One thousand men army jutsu>one shot attack with a thousand variation jutsu>the most broken summon with a thousand different tricks jutsu>the equivalent of one thousand Super Sayan powerup transformations in a non-DB world jutsuYeah you don't need more that JUST this
>>282570791it was a Yahagi (PBUH) decision in the first place to even divide Jutsu into categoriesnot just elements, but categories at allKishimoto wanted it to just be a free for all where anybody could cast anything
>>282570760>it would be quite annoyingPoor Kishi, he would have been forced to use his brain instead of making shit up on the spot every week to then forget about it the next chapter
>>282570803Beyond Rasengan there's nothing versatile or particularly powerful about it
>>282570831still doesn't disprove my point, which is that specializing in what you're good at, and focusing on it, served Naruto a LOT better than mastering 20 different wind techniquesAll he needed to know about wind was HOW IT WORKED, and then integrate that into the Rasengan. That's FAR more elegant and served him a lot betterEven the basic Fuuton: Rasengan is a powerful technique. You don't even need the Shuriken part. >this combo-technique with Yamato extinguished Kakuzu's fire Jutsu which was about to burn down an entire forest about 3km in diameter
>>282570803>That webmNorio Matsumoto is responsable for 90% of Naruto's saleshttps://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/252598
>>282570858>a near-invisible current that can flow or cut better than even wateryeah I guess it's weaksauce nevermind danzo's vacuum techniques never existed
>>282570791He still wanted his more academic setting where people learn jutsu under teachers but without commiting to it. It's.... fine...
>>282570897I don't even know if this is the same guy but they really pulled out all the stops for this fight for whatever reason
>>282570906>danzo's vacuum techniquesUh, I thought those were yin/yang, like Pain's Deva pathMaybe you're right and Wind is actually bustedSo the tier list would be>Wind>Water>Earth>Lightning>FireFor base
>>282570336Hyuuga trend towards water, don't they? it fits with their Gentle Fist
>>282570922>I don't even know if this is the same guyIt is, almost the entire episode was made in solo work by MatsumotoAlso, the first Naruto vs Sasuke at Valleof of the End was done in solo work by Matsumoto
>>282570922oops wrong webm
>>282570991it's crazy that most of the things that have drawn people to Naruto, being the hypest battle scenes, are sometimes ANIME EXCLUSIVElike this onethis wasn't even in the manga at allthis is just "filler" technically but it's actually the best fight scene in the serieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sw8TEYwfTc
>>282569096>>282569603>>282569675Yet for some reason, you're way more active when there's no sasukejeet in sight. When he was spamming the thread earlier you only posted two or three times.
>>282571016ALSO THIShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5soB8yfEqYNOT IN THE MANGA
>>282570940>Uh, I thought those were yin/yang, like Pain's Deva pathNo Danzo's vacuum stuff is just really advanced wind style the Yin/Yang stuff he had was his Tetragram Seals (the black I-ching tattoo shit)
>>282571021Nta but we just stopped derailing the thread and I was one of those against that guy, it isn't worth it
>>282571016That one was made by Hiroyuki yamashita and Naoki KobayashiBTW, Norio Matsumoto was also the solo animator for Edo Tensei Senju bros vs Hiruzenhttps://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/121921
>>282570858Danzo's fight proves you wrong.
>>282570941we've never seen a hyuga use elemental jutsu at all so we don't know outside of barely-canon databooksyou'd think they'd be wind since they have the long-range wind fist thing that they used in the warand the whole whirlwind/tornado thing
>>282570791Kakashi was originally notable because of the wide variety of jutsu he had. 'Copy Ninja of 1000 Ninjutsu'. the implication there being that most shinobi had maybe a half-dozen jutsu at best. Zabuza only had three (mist, water clone, water dragon; Haku technically just had his ice mirrors; Sasuke and by extension the whole of the Uchiha only had Fireball). The only techniques all ninja were expected to have some mastery over was substitutions and clones. Even then it wasn't a requirement, because Lee was able to graduate despite having no ninjutsu at all.
>>282571063(me)Report it and ignore him as training for the sasukeschizo
>>282570940Fire SHOULD be top tier but for shonen reasons it can'tYou can cut people in half with wind blades but you can't burn them aliveit's just the rules I don't make them
>>282571080Also hiruzen the strongest kage who learned a lot of jutsu
>>282570991isn't that the guy responsible for the "my pain is far greater than yours" scene?
>>282571077Lion fists look like fire but for some reason aren't.
>>282571112That's Shingo Yamashitahttps://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/111548Who, funnily enough, said that he became an animator on Naruto after seeing Masumoto's work in Naruto ep 30, or this one >>282570803
>>282571190Weird, his colors and linework look similar to Matsumoto.
>>282571016>best fight scene in the serieswronghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQ1g0e61JA
>>282571112>>282571190Kek also both Naruto ep 30 and Shippuuden ep 167 were directed and storyboarded by the same guy, Atsushi Wakabayashi, who's a fucking legendhttps://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/265259
>>282571227>his colors and linework look similar to MatsumotoI literally wrote that he chose to become an animator after seeing Matsumoto's work, of course his style is similar to his idol
>>282571145If Kishimoto cared about the Hyuga as much as he did about the Uchiha you can bet it would've been some ancient all-consuming purifying fire. It would eat right through Shinra Tensei.
>>282571272That's by Tominaga Mari, another legendhttps://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/137527
>>282571291So that's who's really to blame for all the insanity.
>>282571337>all-consuming purifying fireAmaterasu? Jobber flame supreme?
>>282571080Specialists WinIt's the Way of Things
>>282571378Those two, of course. They wanted to have fun, and they succeeded, it's a masterpiece of an episode.
>>282571378>>282571426Norio Matsumoto is als credited as KA for #176, so he did something in the Naruto vs Pain sequence
>>282571272>Kingdom Hearts 4 Leaked Gameplay
>>282571451Sorry, #167
>>282571383Nah, it would just eat away chakra.
dem boyz
>>282571511My HEROES...and the motos.
>>282571765>>282570838
>>282571272I was always a fan of Minato vs Obito. It was fun to see a very tactical fight that's over in an instant instead of dragging on
>>282572021yeah that's a great one too honestly>I'm intangible and I have these chains as a gimmick, you know how it works>Yeah....fuck....that's a good gimmick>welp>let's just do it
>>282572069but at first it was like>oh fuck who is this guy what is he doing this is very clearly extremely dangerous
>>282572086>He can use FTG to get out of Kamuithe exact moment Obito switch to Plan B
>>282572086How many chunin do you think tried to prank him and paid with their lives?
>>282572086>>282572216This is making me wonderingHow would Duke Togo fare in Naruto?Keep in mind that 99.9% of ninja die to Kunai to the Heart, most of the main cast included
>>282572262He'd have to contend with them Hyuga snipers.
>>282570807I'll do as I please dailyfaggot
>>282573471Wrong
>>282569232Lol. Based retarded schizo
>>282569446I think you've replaced the sauske no-life as being the new no-life faggot lol
Amazing how unhinged these threads become if you insult a certain poster the shitty OPLol
brown
>>282573471No, i was the anon you were replying to.
Stop being Tsundere towards ramen, he won't fuck you
Why I'm so brown?
>everyone who disagrees with OP and agrees with the dissension is the same person>everyone who defends OP is totally not the same personAhhh schizo hours.
>>282562166It doesn't do that, actually, this is is a Viz-ism.
>>282562832>soul containerCould that be a philactery? Was Sasori a Lich with a puppet body instead of the usual skeleton?
>>282562149I always wonder how someone can practice a self-sacrificing jutsu without... you know, dying. This and the Shinigami seal come to mind.
>>282574456Shadow clones
>>282574646You're pathetic lol
>>282574456Maybe it's all theoretical shit, like Guy probably practiced Dusk Elephant attacks while opening the Seventh Gate. Or at least was aware of all the extra power the Eighth Gate would grant him and what he could do with it.
>>282575414Just report him and don't answer.
>>282574646That's a funny face on the dog's backAnd a funny smell in the thread
I'm starting to believe he's false flagging on both sides.
Could a woman achieve gates if she had Gai's mindset? Would she end up looking like a roided freak?
>>282568945Me if I go back to college
>>282562198Why do you need him to spell out what you already infer from his expression?
>>282575801Both Gai and Lee aren't jacked, so no.
>>282575494Report him for what? Racism? Trolling? Off-topic? Not like it will keep him from coming back
>>282575801Why would they? No gate user was roided>>282576344All of those and spamming should be appropriate.It's a common doubt for what I should report someone.
>>282576255>>282576809Are the gates just gay chakra shit?
>>282576985gay chakra pressure points shit
>>282571016They can get very cinematic but they make no sense. Fights in the original work are short and objective with a few hits and jutsu by each combatant. Anime Sasuke vs Orochimaru and VotE are part of what made anime watchers assume Sasuke was far stronger and more competent than he really was (which undermines the point of his decision at the end of part 1).It also makes Kakashi look pathethic when you see genin doing stuff like that and Kakashi running out of chakra after using some raiton and doton against Tendo.
>>282576985The explanation for the gates is that your body uses only 20% of its potential, those 8 tenketsu if released remove this limiter on the body.As they're tenketsu presumably it's in good part chakra.
>>282577229The manga is shit and the anime was made by legends. Who cares about the source material.
>>282577330Some sakuga scenes dont make the anime legendary. It's better than the manga but not so much
>>282577351I didn't say the anime is legendary. The anime is still mostly shit, I said legends worked on it, so some percentage of the anime is actually good, while the manga is 100% shit.
>>282577705>while the manga is 100% shitI wouldn't go that far eitherAs said above Kishimoto is still a good artist (not a great mangaka but good artist) and sometimes can pull good action scenes when he's not DENYING the audience by offscreening shit
>>282577996Ok, I was too harsh, what you say it's true, still I don't care about the source material at all.
>>282578058FairI'm first to shit on Kishimoto but I can appreciate some of his qualities
>>282563822Genetically speaking they are basically the same given both come from Ootsusuki, Kaguya was the source
>>282578100To be honest I don't care about the faithfullness to the source material at all, I value anime and manga by completely different metrics and as independent entities.Like, my favorite manga is Hyouge Mono, but when I watch the anime I don't judge it compared to another different medium, I consider it as if any anime 100% original.
>>282578203I feel like most manga adaptations are too close to the source material to really be considered 100% original. If they took more liberties when it comes to pacing and rewriting some scenes I'd be on the same page as you.
>>282563822Kakashi clearly states that the Uchiha were a branch of the Hyuuga (picrel, where he also says the perceptive abilities of the Byakugan are totally superior to the sharingan), also three pages prior he calls the Hyuga "the oldest and most illustrious family" of the Leaf.
>>282578304I don't consider the manga at all when I think about anime, good or bad, I entirely value them as if the manga doesn't exists at all; if the pacing is poor because they make up badly written filler I treat it as one would treat a manga writing badly written filler: I criticise it.
>>282571016Kakashi should be more annoyed by this entire shitHe's basically a regular guy trying to get by in a shitty world and he has to throw hands with his autistic best friend pumped up with wood steroids and dozens of retarded endgame haxesdidn't ask for that
>>282578343Also this is were Neji drops a bunch of truthnukesEverything in this page is 100% true and correct, both in our world and in the narrative that Kishi wrote.
>>282578431Forgot picrel
>>282578343who cares about perception when you can summon chakra gundams?
>>282578457Naruto and gaara were judged and didn't limit themselves to live like that
>>282578392>He's basically a regular guyA regular guy in Naruto is >>282568945, the only thing that Kakashi lacks is a kekkei genkai and he's as special as you can get.He has a famous bloodline, youngest jounin ever back then, pupil of Minato, invented A-rank jutsu as a kid, a genius in basically everything he doesSure, compared to the final bosses he's dirt, but to say he's close to a regular guy it's ridiculus
I'm starting to think you guys don't like this series.Capthca: HATNG
>>282578547Neither Naruto nor Gaara were judged and then shunned, the Kage of their villages told the population to discriminate against them.
>>282578558I tried really hard man
>>282578606Sarutobi didn't do that. He didn't do anything at all
>>282578558Of course we don't, you have to be 18 to post here, at some point you realize what the fuck are you reading
>>282578548He's a regular "genius" if you want, he's basically where you can get if you don't have super special bullshit blood but super honed skill. Then comes Obito with reality breaking shit, what is he supposed to do?
>>282578699If Kishimoto knew how to write, Kakashi would win because he spent a lifetime training and learning more and more while Obito jerked off for twenty years. Instead it's as you say, it's a waste of time to try to become something more in Naruto because if you're not born better you're destinied to lose to someone who just has some broken innate hax and will rape you.Neji was right.
>>282578749No, Kishimoto wrote that very well. Kakashi has more conventional experience, but Obito is basically a near walking god by that point. Making Kakashi pull out a win would be an asspull, but he also didn't make Kakashi lose because it'd be a bit disrespectful, so we get Obito sandbagging because he needs to get his heart pierced (he tanked it btw) to get rid of Madarait's good writing, just in a whole different genre, we're past "ninja wizards" and approaching "reality benders" realm
>>282578639Yeah I just reread the chapters.Hiruzen just said "Well what can I do if they hate him? Minato said he's a hero, well my solution will be that everyone cannot openly speak about it and just keep hating the boy for no reason given"Genius
>>282578558It's my favorite in the big 3.>>282578606Naruto was Danzo's victim not the kage, and I don't remember Rasa telling the population to discriminate, it seemed to me the sand was just dumb. Also Naruto was judged as a failute and he succeded, Gaara was considered a monster and became the kazekage.Nta.
>>282578606People judged them, with external bias but kids got scared on their own by gaara people chose how to act toward him>>282578558No it's only fun to talk about the problems
>>282578786Good writing is not about respecting powerlevels, it's about writing themes that make sense.The moral of Naruto is "only people chosen before they're born can influence the world, everyone else is cannon fodder".It's a disgusting series.
>>282578699I would say the limit you can get to without cheating is Sakura, the limit you can get qhile cheating is Kabuto.>>282578786>Obito is basically a near walking god by that pointHe had just a strong jutsu and cells from a prodigy when they fight, him being a god by that is exactly the reason people say trying to become something while being a normal in Naruto is impossible. Kakashi could have shown an auditory genjutsu, a trap, a counterattack maneuver with explosive clones to hit while he stop phasing, anything.NTA
>>282578897Well there was no real theme going on there to imply Kakashi's "regular" experience should give him an edge over the busted mastermind terrorist who lead a team of insane monstersNaruto has tons of bad writing but it's ultimately about connections and such, it's not that bad to see "chosen" people matter more>>282578910Did you see the size of the Katons he threw? Or the giant KCM Rasengans he tanked (with his face)? This man has just been rubberbanded to SS+ because he's one of the final bosses
>>282578836>Naruto was Danzo's victim not the kageGod I hate that Danzo got made just because people can say this.
>>282578944>it's ultimately about connections and such, it's not that bad to see "chosen" people matter moreYeah, the blood and political connections that you have to have in order to mean something.Love and relationships and human connections don't make people stronger or better in Naruto, the Kage are not chosen due to how beloved or charismatic or connected they are with the population, the're all freaks of nature born better and mostly related to one another.
>>282579005The important guys end up having important connections though... with more important guys. It's just that the power is concentrated in a handful of individuals
>>282579005It's really funny of the sons of hagoromo indra was the genius who did everything alone while asura created connection and fighting indra discovered he was a bigger genius and defeated him alone
>>282578606every single jinchuuriki was treated like a walking nuke (because they effectively were). some, like Bee and Yugito, didn't give a fuck and it allowed them to lead relatively normal lives. Naruto and Gaara also eventually got society to accept them.
>>282578944Yes, wich is the source of the other anon's complaint, I think. Obito is randomly invincible, despite only relying on his kamui and sharingan since he got it, to a point where no person without similar gifts can remotely compare.
>>282578786Guy deserved a win on Madara more.
>>282579122It's bad writing to randomly make Obito on the same level as Minato ONE YEAR after his "death" but since Kishimoto wrote that I like that he kept it consistent at least
>>282578891>learns she and Naruto are technically related>does nothing with this info (doesn't even tell him to give him something of a family, which he's always wanted)same with Karin
>>282578891Unrealistic that only two men fell in love with her
>>282579055It's about the power.If Naruto was about how human connections make us into what we are, if love and friendship were something that mattered, you would write a story where Naruto befriends people and learns from them how to become stronger, and the connections that he forms make him a better ninja, and he wins a desperate struggle because of what his bonds have given him, something that cannot be replaced by just BIG NUMBERS.NO, this is not at all how Naruto is written, Naruto spends most of the time on screen antagonizing everyone, screaming how he'll be Hokage and be respected, never tries to understand other people, when someone expresses opinions that he dislikes he seethes and gets enraged because he's full of self-righteousness, and he becomes the Hero of the Leaf not because of his bonds with the people of the village, not because he has a lot of connection, not because of love, but because he got a fucking Super Sayan form and has BIGGER NUMBERS than Pain.
>>282578947Agreed, Danzo and Black Zetsu exist to avoid anyone else (and the system itself), taking responsability for the evils of the world, they just make the story even more juvenyle by having a guy infinitely retarded as the responsible of the horrors in the leaf, rather than it being an actually bad world wich Naruto will fix.
>>282579055>haha anyone can be hokage, bro
>>282579166*it's NOT about the power
>>282579135He's not though. He's powered up by Hashirama cells and wearing a Zetsu suit during that fight. And Kamui and the Sharingan are just cheat codes for a one on one fight.
>>282579135Nta but part of the problem is how strong minato is if compared to any number of jonins
>>282579135Don't forget he could also instadefeat and brainwash a tailed beast. It's one of the most offensive parts of the sharingan, how its genjutsu automatically strips all agency from the tailed beasts making them instajob and relegating to the role of chakra batteries.
>>282579165there were probably a lot more but she turned them all down. It was peak woman of her to not give a shit about Jiraiya until he died, after he had spent 40 years adoring her more than anyone else on the planet
>>282579166>you would write a story where Naruto befriends people and learns from them how to become stronger, and the connections that he forms make him a better ninja, and he wins a desperate struggle because of what his bonds have given him, something that cannot be replaced by just BIG NUMBERS.But that's... kind of what happened of you look at it. Most of Naruto's big breaks are related to his connections with people and the ones he meets, as well as his teachers.>climbing on treeHe bonded with Sasuke there and he kept training harder because he empathized and connecting with the kid (Izuna?)>chuunin crushPowered up to protect his best friends. Trained with a new master for that too>RasenganHe connected with Tsunade to get there. Also connected with Jiraiya during that trip (ice cream scene)>RasenshurikenHe was a faggot for Sasuke. It's bad but it fits>Sage modeHe had to take over after his master's death, he had to read about his master's ideals and we saw how he connected with him (in flashbacks, but also post-mortem by trying to understand him). He also had new masters and advisors to do that. It was a group effort, 100%>KCMConnected with Bee (started by connecting with Motoi to do so), connected with the village (by getting over his subconscious hatred) and finally connected with Kyuubi. Then he connected with the tailed beasts
>>282579199Neji was right, Hokage are born, not made
>>282579199Sarutobi and Kakashi were "just guys". It was kinda silly how they all pretended that Kage wasn't just a hereditary monarchy by and large, though. basically every village's Kage was the child or grandchild of a previous Kage. Kurotsuchi love
>>282579210He's still going CQC with one of the strongest Kage and fastest man alive. I don't care that Minato won, he made Minato sweat. That puts him above 99% of the world and easily on Kage level.>but Kamu-He still has the reflexes and skill to use it effectively in hand to hand. Would part 1 Neji threaten Minato with Kamui? Doubt it.
>>282579275if Kishi wasn't a hack, Neji would've made it to Hokage at some point.
>>282579266This is reaching of the highest level.No. Nobody in Naruto is worth jackshit unless they were born already better than everyone else.
>>282579282Minato wasn't just some guy?
>>282579282Jiraiya was also just a dude, the Sannins earned their legendary title later in life but other than being taught by Hiruzen he built himself despite not being called a genius.
>>282579314These are two entirely different things.Kiba wont matter even if he connects with the right people.But Naruto wouldn't matter if he didn't connect with the right people either.Naruto isn't about effort > talent, and your birthright privileges will say if you have potential or not, but Kishimoto made it incredibly obvious (maybe too much) that connecting with people was one of the most important strengths of Naruto.
>>282579282>Sarutobi and Kakashi were "just guys"Sarutobi was pupil of Tobirama and was such a genius that Hashirama himself took him for additional training, basically he was noted as Hokage material as a kidKakashi was already stated to be super special here>>282578548
>>282579363>Naruto isn't about effort > talent, and your birthright privileges will say if you have potential or not, but Kishimoto made it incredibly obvious (maybe too much) that connecting with people was one of the most important strengths of Naruto.Connecting with people gives no strengths in Naruto. Jiraiya taught Naruto because he's the son of Minato, not because Naruto tried to form a bond with him and then this was the base for growth. If Kiba wanted to form a bond with Jiraiya and become his pupil Jiraiya would not care because's he's a nobody.
arguing about this is fun and all but the bottom line is a lot of this stuff is just poorly written and entirely arbitrary. Also Kabuto > Kakkashi
>>282579450Maybe top ten stupidest pages ever published in manga history
>>282579324Senju relative.
>>282579440That still required connection.If Naruto didn't form a bond with Jiraiya that went beyond "teacher" and more like a father figure, he wouldn't have taken after him and tried to take over his dream, reading his books and such. He wouldn't have mastered sage mode without that.He wouldn't have gotten KCM if he didn't connect with Kyuubi or the bijuus. That's as explicit as it gets. You're criticizing something that has NOTHING to do with connections. Yes you have to win at the genetic/fate lottery to be important but depending on who you are, connections will be part of it (especially if you're Naruto)
>>282579266>Most of Naruto's big breaks are related to his connections with peopleThat's not really true. All of your examples have not been the result of any of the relationships you're trying to associate them with, they were just events that happened. He would have learned to climb on trees regardless, he would have learned the rasengan regardless of Tsunade's challenge (or even Jiraiya's presence, the guy didn't give him shit to work with), he would have fought Gaara regardless (or, what, you think he'd just let Gaara kill him?)
>>282579380The Hatakes weren't a storied clan. only Kakashi's dad was famous, and only because of his own accomplishments. Kakashi himself was mostly recognised for his own accomplishments, only a couple of old people in Suna seemed to know or care who his dad was.
>>282579486How exactly is this stupid?>arrogant snake guy on a powertrip claims to have ascended by answering the animal comparison with a better animalAt some point you're criticizing for the sake of it. This is ridiculous
>>282579500Sounds like propaganda of a dying clan trying to stay relevant
>>282579504>He would have learned to climb on trees regardlessHe took multiple steps connecting with people that helped him train more, like asking Sakura for advice, befriending Sasuke on that tree training, and going back to train after he heard the kid's story. Would he eventually manage the same results without that? Maybe, maybe not, but it's fair enough to say connections helped him and were part of his drive there.>he would have learned the rasengan regardless of Tsunade's challenge Not really, he was 300% motivated because of Tsunade and the bet.>he would have fought Gaara regardless He would have lost if not for muh bonds powerupAnd if you really want HARD, 100%, concrete barriers that he NEEDED friendship to get past without any doubt, that'd be KCM1/2 and the Bijuus chakra being lended to him.Kishimoto didn't follow on his "efforts vs talent" theme from Rock Lee, but let's not pretend Naruto didn't have to connect with people. He did it all the fucking time.
>>282561949>I aimed at the spotDid Kishimoto just forgot what happened a few pages ago or why did he wrote this?
>>282579526If you can read a page where a guy goes >raaaw I'm a dwagwon bwa bwa bwa fear me hear meand think it's not stupid you must be a Naruto fan.
Pic related is literally the ONLY time in the entire series when "bonds" have actually paid off.
>>282579582>Would he eventually manage the same results without that? Yes, he obviously would.>Not really, he was 300% motivated because of Tsunade and the bet.What does this even matter? You're arguing that he saved himself a few days of training? Okay.>He would have lost if not for muh bonds powerupNo he wouldn't.
>>282579593I don't know man. Kakkashi getting off his ass and actually teaching Naruto was a pretty big deal. He could have just Kurenai'd the whole thing
>>282579588I shit on Naruto and Kishimoto all the time, some snake themed guy on a power trip answering "nah I'm not a snake I'm a dragon" isn't "top 10 stupidest pages", it's not even stupid. He's LITERALLY a snake, the animal comparisons apply and he's merely answering.
>>282578058Why post in this manga thread then?
>>282579503Nta but didn't he master sage mode thanks to the hermit toad? I don't remember.Also honestly, while I agree on the Kurama cloack mode the way the other bijuu gave him their power was far weaker.Also I simply dislike when a story pretends someone's true power are his connection but that means he still is the only one important and the other either teach him or cheerlead for him, rather than showing more people standing by his side and being his strength.Even his empowering of the alliance was just to protect them, and all of them are completely useless, including those who do something like Gai.Pain was better on that aspect, where others are authorized to truly damage the big bad.
>>282579629>>282579486Hysterical retard
>>282579626>Yes, he obviously would.Speculation. He achieved the results he got so late he was actually sleeping on the morning of the final fight, so he might have gotten similar results but with more training time. Either way, he used connections to be better faster. It's absolutely fine.>What does this even matter? You're arguing that he saved himself a few days of training? Possibly more than days, point is that his connections made his training better and allowed him to make this huge breakthrough he wouldn't have gotten otherwise.>No he wouldn't.You're RETARDED. There's no in between, you're retarded. Naruto is kinda shit overall but you're actually too stupid for it somehow
>>282579688>bonds would have saved him maybe an extra week's worth of training! see? super importantlmao
>>282579302With the sharingan if you can't even activate an ability that only requires a thought you're an actual failure>>282579266>climbing on treeHe doesn't bond that much with sasuke and he only feel pity for the kid and encourages him but they barely know each others>chuunin crushHe doesn't bond with jiraia nor with gamabunta or kurama, against neji he get really angry want more power and gets it>RasenganHe learns the rasengan literally training alone and doesn't have the slightest idea of anything about tsunade or her feelings
>>282579670>Nta but didn't he master sage mode thanks to the hermit toad?He did, but he was in the process of succeeding his master and running at 300% because of everything. Hell, he only got over his depression to start training with them thanks to his connections (Iruka, Shikamaru, Kurenai's baby adding to the "future generations" theme which is another kind of connection)He spent a good amount of time in this arc trying to understand his master, it wasn't about big numbers.
>>282579655It's fun
>>282579629Kakashi had emotional investment because he was trained by Minato.
>>282579725>He doesn't bond that much with sasuke and he only feel pity for the kid and encourages him but they barely know each othersYou're arguing Kishimoto didn't spend multiple chapters showing them hang out, not that connections weren't important to this.>He doesn't bond with jiraia nor with gamabunta Actually he does meet and get in good terms with both of them. They're not best friends because he's a 12 year old but he made connections.>doesn't have the slightest idea of anything about tsunade or her feelingsDid you even read Naruto or are you just retarded? He literally goes back to train to insane degrees right after he hears about Tsunade's story. That's absolutely part of his motivation.
>>282579593>Teamwork is very important, Kakashi. Now watch me solo an army.>In fact I could do this whole mission alone, but Hiruzen was adamant I bring you guys along so at least one child could die
>>282579737Well, that's the kind of things I was referring, I don't find it fullfilling when a character's power coming from his bonds means he will still fight by hinself mindlessly, but he will think about the others or will be infused their powers.Fairy Tail completely soured me on that kind of power of friendship.
>>282579797Seriously, I'm the first to criticize Kishimoto but what the fuck?
I can't believe people are actually arguing against one of the most intentional themes in the series in that Naruto only starting getting skilled when people invested in him and he formed bonds. Kishi basically smacks you upside the head with it
>>282579818Hitting 10 times harder because you remembered your buddies is pretty bad but this whole part was a collective effort in many ways
>>282579834He became chuunin tier on his own in an afternoon.
>>282579834>intentionalIntentional doesn't mean well written.Kishimoto has intent and no skill to write the themes he wants to write.
>>282579282>Sarutobi and Kakashi were "just guys" Hiruzen was trained by the first 2 hokage. Kakashi was trained by Minato and was the son of a guy who was even more legendary than the 3 sanin. >>282579324Trained by Jiraiya, and also knew an insane jutsu that made him incredibly op. >>282579326He was still taught by Hiruzen.
>>282579864Mizuki was Naruto's very first benefactor.
>>282579864It's so fucking obvious too. I swear people are overcorrecting from "Naruto is good" straight into "nothing in Naruto makes sense, everything is ruined and bad and meaningless". Naruto without support would have turned out really bad, even fanfictions get that lmao
>>282579864after Iruka gave him a peptalk, Mizuki gave him a psuedo peptalk, and he stole the scroll of cool shit which apparently is a great teacher since it has pictures of something
>>282579909what I mean by "just guys" is they don't come from special prestigious clan loaded with Hax kekkei genkai. both the Hatakes and the Sarutobis were noname clans in Konoha.
The last training montage of the series relied on Naruto befriending Bee, taking him as an example (not just a path to power but a role model) and then befriending the Kyuubi too.
Apologize.
>>282579797My problem is that most of these are situations were Naruto felt weak because of people he barely knows and put more effort or simply wishes for more power and he gets it. You are right that I forgot about him knowing Tsunade's backstory but still they don't have a bond, Naruto wants to prove himself to her but this isn't a bond.
>>282579916That was criticising Naruto, anon
>>282579909Theoretically anyone could be able to learn ftg, but Kishi wants his characters to feel more like superheroes with unique powers
>>282579855I agree that some parts were well made in that way, but I mantain that constantly splitting the trio, even after making a Sasuke substitute, so Naruto almost always does everything by himself, and we just surpassed pretty much Sakura's only fight, to not speak of Hinata and most other support characters, or how next arc Sasuke effortlessly solo all the protagonists, or how in the final battle Naruto's "bonds" are rendered useless by genjutsu and still wins the 10vs2, are really bad and deserve complaints.
>>282579951>both the Hatakes and the Sarutobis were noname clans in Konoha.false
>>282579282Fuck off dygofag
If they don't have KKGs then they're just guys.
>>282579973Misquoted >>282579834>>282579970>Naruto wants to prove himself to her but this isn't a bondWhat is an acceptable "bond" to you?He has a tense, intimate relationship right now with her. Antagonistic in some ways but weirdly caring in some other ways. He heard about her pains and relates to her. He wants to prove her wrong, not because he wants to show he has a big dick, but because she's lost herself to despair and his world view is one of hope and strive.Did they need to go drink together or something for the bond to be acceptable? Because I can tell you, this entire arc is about this link Naruto and Tsunade have. It's not even subtle, YOU CAN'T MISS IT
>>282579970antagonistic relationships are also bonds. It's a pretty consistent thing in the series especially for Naruto. It's pretty much the whole basis for his relationship with Sasuke which he later admits he should have just gone for friendship but was too immature
>>282580029I'd argue being a jinchuriki or having ayylmao chakra also disqualifies you from being just some guy
>>282580056>everything is a bond!fuck off
>>282579637>He's LITERALLY a snakeNo, he is a dragon.
>>282580000>Naruto's "bonds" are rendered useless by genjutsu and still wins the 10vs2,Sasuke was using the bijuus are mindless batteries. So Naruto was fighting 2v1 and Kyuubi gathering some nature energy was how he managed to get by.Also Naruto was fighting to save his bond with Sasuke, while Sasuke was trying to sever them.It was also explicitly said that Naruto couldn't stop Sasuke in VotE 1 because he couldn't understand his pain back thenThen it's only in the anime but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ty1v5xXcJI
>>282580065Jiraiya doesn't have ayy chakra/tailed beasts, is no genius and only had good teachers to get him to Kage level, I say this is a honest run.
>>282580094>It was also explicitly said that Naruto couldn't stop Sasuke in VotE 1 because he couldn't understand his pain back thenJust because something is stated doesn't mean it makes sense
>>282580003not false. the only notable members were Hiruzen and Kakashi+his dad, respectively.
>>282580029>a village full of GuysI mean...
>>282579855Even ignoring how it's only one case, the toads feel a lot more like Naruto 's move and not friends because of their screentime>>282579916I agree that without bonds Naruto would be at best gaara and sometimes it's even very well portrayed, it's only frustrating how bonds are only good for making him wish for power he gets randomly or for emotional support most of the time
>>282580021am I supposed to know what that means
This saved the tailed beasts fight but you're supposed to ignore it because Kiba can't ever get past jonin level because he's a shitter from birth
>>282580110>no kids>no bitches
>>282580115It might not make sense on a power system scale (like, your characters superpowers might not be directly linked to these things) but they're at the very least there narratively. You could argue he wasn't mentally well (after all he loses because he aims for the headband at the end).Late game Naruto is far more zen and at peace, far more confident and understanding. It's not a surprise he can take Sasuke now
THAT jutsu...
>>282580139>Even ignoring how it's only one case, the toads feel a lot more like Naruto 's move and not friends because of their screentimeIn a way they're part of Jiraiya's heritage. I think it's quite underrated how Naruto doesn't go solo Pain, he gets in there with his own little army, he had as much support he could have gotten otherwise, physically and spiritually.
>>282580041>>282580056Ok than I guess every single shonen has the same morale if a bond for you is interacting in any way
>>282580110the way this series defines "genius" is stupid and inconsistent. It seems that only people who can figure shit out on their own count, ignoring those who just need a push but can take things just as far or sometimes even farther. People like Jiraiya and Naruto highlight how dumb this is
>>282580164I agree with Obito and support the Tsuki no Me Project.
>can turn himself into a girl>can create dozens of shadow clonesdo you think Naruto ever... experimented
>>282580189>Late game Naruto is far more zen and at peace, far more confident and understanding. It's not a surprise he can take Sasuke nowGod you are a fucking retard.
>>282580284In the Cloud village, sure.
>>282580266Are you genuinely autistic?In what world does this not count as a bond?
>>282580094>Sasuke was using the bijuus are mindless batteries. So Naruto was fighting 2v1 and Kyuubi gathering some nature energy was how he managed to get by.I know (and it's the reason I always hype the sage mode), it's still Sasuke effortlessly removing all of Naruto's allies (81/2 bijuu+Sakura) and having the power of said bijuus for the fight>It was also explicitly said that Naruto couldn't stop Sasuke in VotE 1 because he couldn't understand his pain back then>Then it's only in the anime butWhich is my point about ghosts cheerleading while he does everything.I really liked the imagery, vut it's still avoiding making the friends actively helpful
>>282580324I'm starting to think I'm talking with actual (non meme) autists and that's why they're more focused on "do I get FTG and Rinnegan by befriending someone?" than the actual story
>>282580266It's all about how invested the character is. Some bonds aren't mutual. Naruto gets easily invested into shit he probably shouldn't because of his upbringing and perpetual chip on his shoulder. To keep it battle shounen a guy like Luffy only bonds with shit he cares about and thoughtlessly smashes through things he sees as obstacles whether it be things or people then keeps going
>>282580206M-Masaka...!
>>282580350I mean it had to be Naruto vs Sasuke, Naruto jumping Sasuke with his gang would have been anticlimactic in many ways.I guess you could say that fights often end up being 1v1s so connections and support is mostly stuff that matters before (or during for emotional boosts)Wouldn't discard the frogs as mere instruments though
>>282580324Tsunade was inspired by him, but they don't know each others in any way.
>>28256141810/10 and Hinata would have fainted here
>>282580428the frogs were busydon't ask any more questions
>>282580428I honestly like the jumpings, the villain is stronger than the protagonists but is alone is a gimmick I like, and a reaspn I liked the ending of JJK was that it encapsulated this dinamic. Despite the frogs having little screentime I could agree with you.
>>282580359You're just atomizing those straws. None of what you claim is present.
>>282580449You're retarded
>>282580511This is possibly the worst example of "Naruto doesn't connect with people" you could have pickedThis is easily one of the most intimate, earnest and most tender relationships in the series. Both would give their life to save the other
>>282580547Tsunade and her insatiable lust for little boys
>>282580511>Naruto summoning all the Sasuke homolust in the world to avoid staring right at Tsunade’s cleavage
>>282580547>>282580575They're basically mom and son after that (kind of... maybe aunt instead of mom but you catch my drift)It's actually a really nice development for once
>>282580473Naruto not summoning Pa and Ma was a missed opportunity, especially since he could fuse with them at that point
>>282580390Its simply about the portrayal, we all know the theme but in the end Naruto receives ridiculous power ups training alone and every single other character with just as many bond doesn't, while kabuto without a single bond become one of the most powerful and important people in the world.>>282580390Luffy gets in every single conflict because of bonds and almost every power up because of them
>>282579967Worldbuilding-wise, I wonder how exactly do you keep guys like Mizuki imprisoned, cause while chunin is a shitter rank these people are still relatively superhuman
>>282578457The obvious weak spot in his arguments is that none of them answer exactly why Hinata shouldn't fight, why she shouldn't try. Plus it's not all genetics that made her unfit to rule and weak. It's not like Hiashi put a lot of effort into making her his perfect heir or bolstering her self-esteem.
>>282580598this is kinda hot...it's like if Sakura had fat tits, learned from her mistakes, and actually understood Naruto. Tsunade is best girl for him but she's too old
>>282580642>every single other character with just as many bond doesn'tWe're never shown other characters who go as far as Naruto to empathize and befriend their enemies. There's even a joke about talk no jutsu.>kabuto without a single bond become one of the most powerful and important people in the worldYes, the system can be hacked and some people get insanely strong without bonds. Nobody said "bonds are the only way to power", only that Naruto, the main character and the guy who embodies the message of the manga, grows stronger partly through bonds and paves his way through the world with what he learns from his connections. Kabuto was defeated and had to become a better man, Naruto was on the right path.
>>282561896Naruto unfortunately does not hold up in a lot of places
>>282580642>it's a one piss fagas expected
>>282580642you could very easily argue that Kabuto's bond and attachment to Oro drove him to those heights
>>282561896Why does your hand smell like shit?
>>282580707>the message of the manga"choose the right parents next time"
>>282580753He was already smelled >>282561913
>>282578891god i can't wait til we get to when she's sliced in half
>>282579313It was Neji's fate to die for Hinata so she and Naruto can have a moment.
>2nd-most prestigious genes of the K11>only one to dieMake it make sense
>>282580575Tsunade has an insatiable lust for her oneitis and zero regard for any other male, as Kishi intended
>>282580733No my point is that in most manga the protagonist grow stronger to protect their loved ones or to surpass someone if you stretch the definition of bond
>>282561727Sasori is my favorite character in Naruto series.
>>282580896Naruto spins this in its own way and puts a pretty significant amount of emphasis on it. It's not perfect, but it's fine. The fact that you have a genetic/fate lottery at birth doesn't undo that.
>>282580917Chiyo...
>>282580927Most of the tim I agree, gaara was a very good example
>>282580684It's a contrived scene, Neji giving a long-winded speech trying to demoralise already demoralised girl and making everyone see Hyuga for the infighting clowns they are instead of just making a short work of her and respectfully putting her to sleep.
>>282580867she loves any man who reminds her of her kid brother.paging Dr Freud
>>282574646
>>282580853Sasuke lived though.
>>282580994>K11
Tsunade not having kids is a crime against humanity and disrespectful to everything the village stood for. All those spinsters are objectively terrible writing for the setting in general
>>282581041>ynr Tenten being left out in the cold
>>282580983He could've just said "your daddy doesn't love you plus you're a girl lmao" instead of all that >>282578457
>>282581041This is Danzo's fault somehow
>>282580942Just look at this bad boy. My man sasori died way too early.
>>282580684>It's not like Hiashi put a lot of effort into making her his perfect heirWell obviously throwing hands is much more important for a leader than boring political shit. How else do you ensure that your cadet branch of slaves whom you can torture to death at any moment stays in line?
>>282581247if Neji's dad got the mark, why didn't Hanabi?
>>282580983The whole chunin exam was a PR-disaster for Hyuga.
The Chunin exams truly is a circus, complete with an actual crowd getting their entertainment from the political kayfabe
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>>282581398Well yeah, Neji showed the whole village he was a nazi
>>282581599Looking back at it, it’s morbidly hilarious how Sasuke was treated like some kind of rare animal from the crowd of richfags
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>>282581212If he lived he would become a problem later down the line. He might kill someone actually important, we can’t have that!
>>282581398It's ridiculous Hiashi was okay with his daughter wandering around hell forest and getting beaten up at chunin exams. You'd think Hyuga would have a protocol for dealing with unworthy heirs, especially women. Was letting her frolic in the gardens and knit by the fireplace in peace too humiliating for him?
>>282581783people with kekkei genkai are consistently treated as political assets more than people.
>>282581912He didn't want to admit his seed was weak.
>I have a dream. That one day, every Shinobi in this nation will control their own destiny.>A village of the truly free, dammit. A village of action, not tradition, ruled by strength, not councils!>Where the rules bend to fit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice return to where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every Shinobi is free to think, to act for themselves!>Fuck all these limp-dick Elders and chickenshit Clan Heads. Fuck this 24 hour Council spew of missions and Shinobi ranking bullshit! Fuck Hidden Leaf pride! Fuck the Will of Fire! FUCK ALL OF IT! >Konoha is diseased. Rotten at the core. There’s no saving it - we need to rip it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN!>And from the ashes, a new Konoha will rise. Evolved, untamed! The weak will fall, and the strongest will thrive - free to live, to fight, to believe as they see fit!>They won’t kill for the Daimyō. They won’t die for some ancient feud or some Hokage’s dream. No more will kids die in blood sports they call "Exams", for the entertainment of the eilites.>In my new Konoha, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for honor. Not for orders. Not for what they’re told is right. Every Shinobi will fight their own war!
>>282581912its implied she begged him to let her go. he's too much of a daughtercon to reject those baby... lavenders
