Kazekage Rescue MissionChapter 279: Power & Miracles...!!Previous chapter: >>282654437 chapter 278Start: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/subject/Daily%20Naruto%20Chapter/filter/text/page/8/Believe it!Thanks for joining and reading.
>>282679695surely this comes at a cost, other than killing off a character that was just introducedsurely
>>282679876>hallucination of scenes that NEVER HAPPENED like the swing and being laughed at in the centre of the village AGAIN
>>282679695>A jutsu that kills you? Better bust out my sharingan and copy it
>>282679825>Sakura is just like Chiyo>Sakura is just like Tsunade>Sakura is just like KushinaI'm so fucking tired boss
>>282679721>That fingerWhat are these scans bro?
>>282679899Naruto is a secret genjutsu master because what the fuck is this
>>282680053Part 1 Naruto (or even kid Naruto) has a better jaw line than part 2 Naruto so far wtf
Chapter 279: Power & Miracles...!!END Tomorrow closing Volume 31, ending Kazekage Rescue Mission arc: Trust!!
>>282679721>>282679744So, does Chiyo have chakra absorption or is sharing chakra not that hard to do? How come that's not used more outside lf healing jutsu and the war?
>>282679825Is this the only Sakura parallel that is not in a team with 2 boys?
>>282680116CONGRATULATIONS!
>>282679848And she did...off-screen...despite not showing any progression inbetween.
>>282679721>how jinchuuriki have been treated all village are the sameSo we will never see a jinchuuriki who got along with his village, right?
>>282680116That's a lot of people that weren't there 8 pages ago.
>>282680116I want to take this without being cynical and say it's heartwarming that Suna finally accepted Gaara to send so many men for him, but.... In practice it's so fucking clunky. These guys were nowhere to be seen while foreign agents did everything. They didn't do shit. Some people even conspired against Gaara. And now you show that spread... It hits weird
>>282679721>>282679744>>282679766>flashback wordless reaction pages repeating someone's name FLASHBACKAnd here everyone told me the pacing only sucks in the anime and Pierrots bad
>>282679876Kishimoto this scene did not fucking happen.Also, Hinata is supposed to be taller than part 1 Naruto.
>>282680116Thank you OP.
>>282679651CHUDkashi
>>282680170>jobbed to a chunin like one week before the war>is handed a pity "she totally surpassed Tsunade guys!" line after thatSakura's entire existence is a joke
>>282679899God this feels so stupid and cheesy lmao
>>282680231She was probably tired and Omoi is no slouch.
>>282679825>in the future don't save a dying granny like me, help those you truly care forWell, that was brutalAlso granny Chiyo is what Konoja elders should've been for me to accept not just the lack of punishment, but them keeping their fucking jobs
>>282680205>this scene did not fucking happen.What do you mean? It literally just happened right there. That's not a flashback, that's Naruto entering Gaara's ego death purgatory mindscape we saw him monologueing in, earlier.
>>282679848>so few women possess such strong heartJesus Christ, Kishimoto, we get it, you just can't help yourself, can you
>>282680116Still can't get over just how useless these guys were in this arc kek
>>282680231>Blitzes and handles multiple shinobi being controlled by Sasori/Chiyo (i don't remember)Omoi is chunin in name only.
Leebros...............
>>282679899Yeah, Naruto, pretend like you are the one doing the saving here>>282679928Deep
>>282679848>>282680309Would Chiyo say this to Ino and Hinata?
>>282680328Karui would've beat Sakura's ass too, she was a net loss in this fight
>>282680088Naruto looks with so much love at Gaara here thag miles and miles away Sasuke probably woke up in cold sweat
>>282680358I don't see why not
>>282680366I don't think Karui has any feats beyond tanking Choji's BAC.
>>282680404Tentensissies...
>>282680200It's evident that Kishi was already thinking of the anime by this point. This kind of paneling flows great when adapted into anime format, but it's a slog to read on paper.
>>282680116Did these sand retards just appear in here to look cool and pretend like they did the job while the foreigners did it all?Then again, Naruto just appeared in here to look cool and pretend like he did the job while the Chiyo and Sakura did it all
>>282680408Enough to break Sakura's jaw
>>282680435Kishimoto has drawn "anime chapters" onto manga pages since the Tsunade arc to be honest.
>>282680205>Also, Hinata is supposed to be taller than part 1 NarutoThat's Naruto's imagination and he copes how he can
>>282680459>Gets tired from punching Naruto for a few minutes>Sakura is the champion of punching Naruto without breaking a sweatSakura SOLOS
>>282679607kill yourself narutard
>>282680338Who?
Suna really is a client state of the Leaf
>>282680513>>282680338 Man it must've been wild to come from part 1, right after Lee and Neji had their fights, all full of expectations, get hyped about their inclusion to the mission and get...this.
>>282680116Thanks Oh-Pee
>>282680567Fun fact: Karin is unironically far more useful than any Konoha 11
>>282680646And she's also 10 times lamer.
>>282680706I mean... Kinda? She's Sakura tier in design (bad) so worse than 95% of K11 but what seals the deal is her being a glorified walking health pack
>>282680823You can just tell us you're gay desu
>>282680116Again, I point out that it's too bad that filler arc with Suna at the end of Part 1 in the anime wasn't canon. It focused on Gaara winning over the people and had another actual interaction with Naruto and Gaara in it. Even had that cute waifu that was into Gaara. So this moment actually worked a bit better. Rare case of filler enhancing the material
>>282680053Great, their hallucinations are now shared. And considering he used that on Sasuke too, I insist it's some hidden form of genjutsu
>>282680064Most of the characters are just variants of Team 7 as if they're a brand or species.
>>282681035Frog song
>>282680053I liked this whole scene, even though Kishimoto clearly did it to be animated.
>>282680064Please understand, she's our only prominent girl, so she has to be a parallel of every prominent woman in existence. It's not like those creatures have much variety anyway
>>282680053>there's even backlight bloom in the colouringWere the colorists secretly in love with this chapter
>>282680338It's crazy how I've been able to notice Gai, Neji, and Tenten, but my mind has completely erased Lee for this arc.
>>282679651Neji with a collar is way too sexy.
>>282680823There is no way you think Sakura and Karin are equal in design. Sakura makes Karin look like a fancharacter.
>>282680823>but what seals the deal is her being a glorified walking health packThen she should have had big mommy nurse tier tits, she would have been my favourite otherwise
>>282681350For real, Karin looks like she ran straight out of Black Butler
>>282680198It'd hit harder if Temari or Kankuro were more involved in the arc but that would ruin Kishi's narrative of no one cared about Gaara at all until part 2 Naruto
>>282680053Now kiss
>>282681317Down, girl.
>>282680116>All the leaf ninja tired and out of chakra>9 tail host is right thereGolden oppritunity for Suna
>>282681436He wishes (you decide which one is "he'")
>>282679695Kakashi why do you still have your Sharingan out?
>>282679876>"Please look after Gaara...">he never really does
>>282681461What going for master's degree at 35 and sitting with 22 year olds feels like
>>282681534It's Gaara, we all know it's Gaara.
>>282679899>>282679928>>282679957>>282680029>>282680053>>282680088GAARA IT'S A GENJUTSU PSYOP HE ONLY WANTS TO LEVERAGE THE SUNA INTO A VASSAL STATE FOR THE SENJUS DON'T TRUST HIM GAAAARAAAA
>>282681505KekCould the Leaf guys do anything if Temari, Kankuro and all the Suna guys tried attacking and kidnap Naruto now?
>>282680176Wasn't killer bee a normal guy?
>>282681415Which is pretty bullshit considering that Temari and Kankuro clearly cared about him in part 1. It's just that they knew he was a murderous freak who didn't really need to be protected so they kept their distance.
Are the Senjus the jews of Naruto?
>>282681838They don't really fit the role. That'd be the daimyos or the Zetsus.
From now, in every appearance Gaara has he will be slurping Naruto. Unironically.
>>282681885He's been fully converted to Narutoism.
>>282681885The Suna has fallen.
>>282681766Kakashi would asspull Mangekyou yet again, as always, this time is last one for sure!
>>282681885he tells the other kages to go fuck themselves first
>>282681909>doesn't even get marriedI see what you are, boy
I love Naruto.The Leaf Village is our friend.The Hokage is our benevolent overlord ruling from a thousand miles away.We should die for the Will of Fire.I love Naruto.
>>282681912When has the Suna ever stood up
You're gonna start seeing a lot of "X is just like me" or "X is just like Y" like it's profound..
>>282681935He's just making others shut up to give him space to talk about Naruto
It annoys me how Naruto is so averse to killing, he is a damn ninja. And is not a setting problem, Kakashi is quite a trigger happy guy despite his laid back personality. Also real life ninjas were pretty cunning and evil too, like current day glowies.
>>282682064It's a magazine problem, WSJ was clearly against the main character killing people back then, it's common for Big 3. Probably was setting up a bad role model for the audience bluh bluh
>>282682064he doesn't seem averse to killing to me. He's averse to killing for what he deems stupid reasons and the whole heartlessness behind it
>>282681961Too bad Fu got got, she was essentially Gaara's ideal woman: Naruto with a vagina
>>282682064He kills people in the anime. But in the manga, Kishimoto does indeed seem reluctant to let Naruto directly kill anyone successfully because Naruto is supposed to be the guy to "break the cycle".
>>282679876>Hiruzen caring about NarutoLMAO
>>282682064Naruto's dad probably had a triple digit kill count by the time he was Naruto's age
>>282679876Is Naruto gaslighting himself?
>>282682193He gave Naruto a apartment.
Unpopular opinion: I don't like Gaara's anime voice, he doesn't sound like a teenage boy
>>282682007During the third Kazekage's reign. It's DANZOS fault for their decline.>Send Sakumo to assassinate Sasori's parents>Sasori goes mental>Kills the third Kazekage>Rasa is forced into position >Zero leadership skills>Konoha takes advantage of their destabilization>Suna becomes even poorer and is subjected to the leaf>Their fifth Kazekage is now under Konoha's willThose damn DIRTY leafs.
>>282680198>Suna finally accepted GaaraWhen he was kidnapped half the Suna Council had the opinion of letting him die, the other half said it was a good thing in the first place that the monster was taken away
>>282682277That was the council, not the people.
>>282682277those were just the out of touch boomers
>>282682277checked double dubsYeah. In my country some nuclear warheads were stolen, but the senate was glad because those could explode and put our people at risk.
I still like Shippuden Gaara, even if he does have no personality beyond being in love with Naruto.He's just a kind and good soft guy trying his best, taking on big responsibilities and always coming to help. Sure he is written wonky, but he's still simple amd likeable
>>282682251He sounded good when he was still a schizo and doing all those weird moanings and shit.
For a long time people thought, and still think, that Tsunade can do that revival thing Chiyo did even though it's explicitly said Chiyo created it and only she knows it.
>>282682416I still have no idea how did Naruto magically cure his mental illness, he was literally talking to himself and his dead mother like a lunatic
>>282682425truly convenient
>>282682460>Naruto: "I'm just like you.">Gaara: "I am complete" *mental illness cured*He just needed a friend he could identity with the whole time.
>>282682350>He's just a kind and good soft guy trying his best, taking on big responsibilities and always coming to helpHe was always like that as a kid, but his crippling loneliness came from being betrayed by his only parental figure. He was shown trying to make friends and take responsibility for accidently hurting them. His psycho phase was a major cope until Nardo used his talk no jutsu to make him feel related. So he takes after big responsibilities to try and win the people's heart again. I think the only part of his character that's real wonky is transition from psycho phase back into his normal phase. Although even then, I don't think he ever hurts anyone from his own, only killed enemies and made scary threats to his siblings.
>>282682581>I think the only part of his character that's real wonky is transition from psycho phase back into his normal phase. That just further shows it was some twisted defense mechanism and not his actual personality.
>>282682064He killed the guy who was masquerading as 30% Itachi with a Rasengan to the face
>>282682238You have to put him somewhere
>>282682743Wasn't that guy already dead from the jutsu?
>>282682143Most fans think she belongs with Shino because "Bug Boy x Bug Girl".
>>282682525Anon, it's simple. Naruto developed a Shisui-like genjitsu unbeknownst to himself. The target begins to like Naruto and subconsciously obeys him.During the chuunin exam, Naruto used it on Gaara. Remember the head attack? Gaara changed after it. He actually still remains a schizo, just the voice in his head is Naruto's one since then.
>>282682773NtaI thought he was under Sasori's mind jutsu. Whatever that was.
>>282682425>Makes jutsu that revives people>If they're just dying and not yet dead it doesn't even kill you wholly>Never teaches it to anyoneDoes Chiyo want the other Suna ninja to keep dying?
>>282682254You weren't supposed to leak that
>>282682025>startIt already started with the Tsunade arc in part 1
>>282682773No, he was a Sasori-mind-controlled Suna ninja under disguise
>>282679695>ENTER a ten year death flag where people argued that Kakashi copied this technique and would use it someday
>>282682824>Wanting it stolen by foreign nations and used to revive their own forcesNah, it was a good call. Knowing Suna, it would've been leaked on day 1.
>>282682581Yeah no, making it rain with someone's blood goes a bit beyond just killing your enemies.
>>282682293>>282682302The people accepted Gaara OFF SCREEN?
>>282682846Please, he was already onto that shit with Haku. Iruka and Konohamaru even
>>282682809That'd be cute. Better than Kiba being with a cat girl.
>>282682887yes. He even has a fanclub and thirsty chicks
>>282682904>>282682846>>282682025This has to be some form of narcissism, no? Not intended as such, obviously
>>282682887They actually came for Chiyo. And they were hoping Gaara's dead.
>>282682887SHUT UP, THE TIMESKIP WAS NEEDED, YOU HEAR ME? IT WASN'T JUST FOR THE MERCH, WE NEEDED IT!
>>282682871>Suna-Konoha negotiations>"We can offer a revival jutsu in exchang-">"We alredy know that.">"Uh?">"It leaked">"Uuh, our Puppet Secre-">"That too.">"Uuuuuh... You can fuck our women? Please we need water"
>>282682846> Sakura? She... She looks like me..> She's built like me... I... thank you <3
>>282682939Kek they're like>The monster is dead and Chiyo has recovered the corpse to save face, great, let's elect the Sixth>No, actually Granny gave her lifeforce to Gaara to bring him back from the dead>Also, the Third was a Puppet used by a Suna terrorist>FUUUUUUUU-
>>282682773>>282682812>>282682849Itachi and Sasori called those guys they were controlling "sacrifices" so their status beforehand is left intentionally dubious.
>>282680231It's funny because it's from Hashirama, who only knew Tsunade until she was like five at most.
>>282682932Naruto is on the spectrum and cannot relate with someone unless he can project his specific and sometimes hallucinated personal experience
Doesn't Naruto kill Kakuzu?
>>282683065I meant to Kisame there lol
>>282683088it's okay he was a spooky frankenmonster by that point
>>282683088no but he tried
>>282683088No, he cripples him and then Kakashi deals the finishing blow.
>>282683041>>FUUUUUUUU-I think Suna are used to getting fucked over like this by now. If their next Kazekage will get kidnapped, just closest advised will be revealed as a Leaf spy and half the country will get leveled by giant desert leeches, they will be like "well, just another day in this shit country"
I think you guys are too hard on Naruto and very jaded
>>282683081>sometimes hallucinated personal experienceI chuckled. I can't believe I've been reading and discussing this damned series for 10 years and I still laugh at stuff like this
>>282683116LEAVE THE HIGHLY SUCCESFUL IP ALONE!!!!
>>282683065According to the databook the "sacrifices" who receive the charka grom whom they copy only die if the chakra they got runs outSo no, Naruto killed a dude
>>282680358no.
>>282683116It's just really stupid and funny to poke at. I think everyone understands Kishi's intended messages, he's not exactly subtle about them, but it's still funny and overly dramatic
>>282683180>According to the databookStopped reading
>>282683116I'm Jaded Smith only in this daily. It's fun.
>>282683116The fact that we lower ourself to even read this mess and still try to find fun in it means we're not jaded enough, otherwise this daily would not even be here
>>282680231Sakura haters are always so delicious
>>282680200The pacing is worse in the anime. It takes roughly 12 hours to watch through this entire arc without breaks. iirc the Deidara pursuit lasts 10 episodes on total. And like the other anon said, Kishimoto got lazier and started drawing storyboards for the anime in part 2. >>282681008Part 1 filler was kino and probably the best improvement over the original material. Even if sometimes the plotlines are weak and ultimately inconsequential, most relationships with non-team 7 characters make more sense when Naruto spent time with them post-SRA. https://youtu.be/pY15k20Hqq0?si=Dfzp4UT_54wUyXcN
>>282683209Nigga Kishi leaves the choreography to the anime, the worldbuilding to the movies and explaining the fuck he wrote to the databooks, I don't know what to tell you
By the end of the Fourth Great War, hundreds, if not thousands, are fed into a zetsu meat grinder. One that was raised by two LEAF Shinobi's (Obito and Madara), while also disabling (almost) every villages jinchuriki, other than the LEAFS (and clouds), and every villages has been successfully SUBVERTED by the Leaf. This is what (((they))) don't want you to know. It was never about some infinite Tsukuyomi.
>>282683116We're actually a lot nicer than some older forums were when Part II was still coming out.
>>282683257>Even if sometimes the plotlines are weak and ultimately inconsequentialIn Naruto? Kishi would never
>>282683080I don't think Kishimoto even realized that because the dude sometimes forgets how small his timeline is.
>>282683275not caught up on boat but did they ever talk about what happened to the other biju aside from Gyuki and Kurama? Did they fuck off into the wild? Do they have new Jinchuriki? Whats happening?
>>282683278I 'member.Shit was really ugly back then. Those who kept reading during till the very end were really fucking bitter.
>>282683113>Ninja AIDS pandemic sweeps Suna>A locust plague eats the hidden food reserves>Half the women run away during the night to the Leaf>"What a week! And next month we have to pay taxes to the Daimyo. Oh well, that's life in Suna!
>>282683278No shit, imagine coming from Naruto vs Sasuke to a clone fight
>>282683275Wait, could the leaf use edo tensei to resummon Madara and Hashirama after the war? There must be some evil guys who'll die anyway or even willing sacrifices (some old men on a deathbed, but with will of fire).I mean, Madara became good in the end, Hashi was always good. And they would have infinite chakra... Yes, Naruto is hokage, but Konoha could use them to rule the vassals directly, without the kage proxies. They should've sent Madara to be Suna governor.
>>282683465>There must be some evil guys who'll die anyway or even willing sacrificesThey can use Oro as an infinite body machine
>>282682064Naruto isn't averse to killing. He already went for the kill against faketachi and was clearly trying to kill Deidara. He also probably wanted to kill Orochimaru in Tenchi Bridge and went for the kill against Kakuzu. Not to mention in part 1 where he was going to kill Haku until the face reveal, and the fact that he probably wouldn't have minded if Kabuto died from his rasengan. He only moralfags when he sees there is moralfagging to be done, such as with Gaara, Sasuke and Nagato. It's Kishimoto who writes him into situations where he conveniently fails to kill his enemies everytime he tries.I personally like the concept of Naruto growing into a diplomatic moralfag (especially post-Pain as Kishi himself stated he went in this direction from that point onwards), but the execution was awful.
>>282683465that defeats the whole point of their era being over and leaving things to the future gens
>>282683465They rule with soft power to help keep the populations docile, and I imagine Edo Tensei is a "war crime." But if they need to exercise their military, you know they could easily bring them back. There's a reason why terrorists like Sasuke, Kabuto, and fucking Orochimaru have been pardoned. Everyone knows what Konoha is capable of.
>>282683546>I imagine Edo Tensei is a "war crime."this concept doesn't exists in Naruto. Jutsu are forbidden internally by the Village to be taught because they're dangerous for the user or for fear of info leaking
>>282683116I actually love that Narutofags in here can absolutely shit on it, chew on every panel, consider everything stupid and question Kishi's ability to tie his own shoes, but still love, have fun and discuss it. We know it is shit, we love it without delusions and excuses. OPtards and post TYBW anime Bleachtards are absolutely insufferable in that regard, it's borderline a cult
>>282683609The Kengan Omega effect
TNJ is a top tier genjutsu. Naruto is the biggest triple threat in taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu combined.Also Sakura is mainly Tsunade like in fight style, and Kushina like in demeanor. Chiyo just wanted to connect with someone before she died.
>>282683609>We know it is shit, we love it without delusions and excuses.Naruto has produced the best TCG of all times. That's reasons enough to defend it
>>282683270I think his aversion to have Naruto not directly kill people afterwards imply that kishi was more leaning towards those sacrifices being dead beforehand, since there would be no reason to say it otherwise.
>>282683609I do agree. Naruto is one of those few franchises where you can look at one scene and call it ass and people will agree and then look at another scene and call it kino and get the same effect because the truth is Naruto isn't a perfect series, but it's goddamn charming.
>>282683541>you and your friend are the closest things to gods possible>just by your presence, you two can make Konoha so safe, no child would have to become a soldier (no one would dare to attack you)>nah, i think our time has passed>10 years after>children are still the soldiers>should there be any war, they all go to the meatgrinder>>282683546war crime? Considering Itachi (literally a genocider) is Konoha's hero, I don't think a little war crime will be considered a problem. In the end, they can always find a scapegoat.BTW, does Sarada know of her heroic uncle?
>>282683609My favorite part is Minato comitting a suicide for no reason. Oh, sorry, there was a reason: "Only mother can explain certain things to her child".
>>282683788The 4th Shinobi War being over didn't mean evil stopped existing. Soldiers are still a necessity, but things aren't as bad as they were back then. The new gens live more comfortably compared to Hashirama's, Minato's, Kakashi's and Naruto's gens.
>>282683838>for no reasonFatherhood
>>282683838The whole "Minato killed himself because he didn't want to be a single dad' meme will always make me chuckle.
>>282683848>The 4th Shinobi War being over didn't mean evil stopped existingyeah the Daimyo are still there
>>282683880Anon, let it go. We're never gonna get a "Overthrow the Daimyo" arc.
>>282683838Minato was into autists and Kushina was the only one in Konoha. Simple as.
>>282680116It's a shame Suna has like 7 named characters, 4 of which are living/active. Some of these background designs are really cool>dude with the mishappen Zabuza sword bottom left>scarred NINJA CAT bottom middle>guy above the ninja cat/below Kankuro who might also be a puppet master, but his puppet bundle is stabbed through>kusarigama rope guy left of Kankuro>dude left of the ninja cat who looks like he could be a main character>various kunoichi in skirtsfor a man who copypastes shadow clones for a living, there's a lot of variants and characters with unique tools here. And yeah 95% of them are in the default flak jacket but he wasn't gonna make 100 diverse character designs for one panel
>>282680064Kishimoto can only write 4 characters>Naruto Foil>Sasuke Foil (AKA Naruto Foil Foil)>Kakashi Foil (AKA Sasuke Foil Foil (AAKA Naruto Foil Foil Foil))>Sakura Foil (Woman)
>>282683997Shikamaru was really cool and he wasn't any of these
>>282683609I dunno if there’s a shorthand for it but you can tell the fun of these threads is that there’s certain granular criticism that could only come from people who are diehards for the series, not from people who just hate it outright
>>282679848>You're the only person who knows Gaara's pain... Gaara also knows your pain...Reminder that they never had a real conversation about their childhoods. They both know the other is a Jinchuriki and is lonely about it, but neither of them actually know the extent.Gaara probably thinks that Naruto's loved ones wanted tried to murder him, and Naruto probably thinks Gaara was called stinky.
>>282683292I mean, filler arcs are crippled by the fact that the writers can't make up shit that could clash with the main story further ahead (which they don't know what will be). So instead we get stuff like Orochimaru turning Mizuki into a giant man-tiger or a terrorist trying to blow up the Leaf in an interesting story that never will be brought up again. And the characters can't grow or learn anything new during filler stories.
>>282683944You know what? I am degenerated. Could edo tensei'd Kushina bear a child?
>>282684035He was high IQ Sasuke imo. Ino was blonde Sakura and Choji was fat Naruto.
>>282684035Kishi...
>>282684076The insides of Edo Tensei are dust and paper, anon...
>>282679876>>282679899>>282679928>>282679957>>282680029>>282680053This is some advanced gaslighting.
>>282683609At least the conversations are somewhat more genuine now that we don't have posters asking not to spoil a 20+ year old manga or OP pretending people are reading Naruto for the 1st time. I've accepted these threads are just a Naruto general with a random chapter attached.
>>282684117Uh... There's the transformation jutsu, right? What about it? Is it, like, organic inside?
>>282684186Anon, that's what daily chapter threads are supposed to be. People discuss the series...
>>282684035>SHARTkamaruNo
>>282680309Based Kishimoto is correct
>>282684069I liked the tiger Mizuki filler. It felt like a decent end of the character arc. Also, it was always intriguing to see Orochimaru's little projects. It motivated me to study.
>>282684208You're retarded
>>282684188By that logic, can you impregnate Naruto while he's doing the sexy jutsu?
>>282683838The reason was to seal Kurama in Naruto using the reaper death seal. Otherwise the balance of power between the nations would've been disrupted.
>>282684951My doujins say yes. There's doujins of that, right?
>>282684951Yes? I mean, I would if I could.If such pregnancy possible, what about the kekkei genkai?What about the bijus if a jinchuriki is copied?
>>282679795>>282680116Nobody ever ranks Kazekage Rescue as their favorite arc, but this is a very good introduction to the big ideas explored in Part 2. On Naruto's side at least.Sasuke is coming soon...Thank you OP!
>>282684951>>282685020In fact, long ago I came up with a certain idea. For a transformation to occur, there must be available space. Since Naruko is a female version of Naruto, we can expect her to have less muscles. That includes a slimmer neck. So, what if we bullshit some unbreakable metal collar and put it on Naruko's neck? The transformation becomes impossible to cancel, since Naruto's neck would get stuck in the textures.
>>282680823I remember feeling disgusted by Karin's design, with all the bitemarks. Very trashy character. I somehow even prefer Jugo over her.
>>282685264But more importantly...HE is coming...
>>282685357How did he even get such scar? Was it intentional?
>>282684473Most filler in late part 1 was fun. My favourite was always the Kurama clan girl (unrelated to the Nine Tails) with the painting genjutsu. I just picked the Mizuki one because it showcases how villain of the week-y they could get and how they could only bring up the main plotlines if they didn't do anything that could potentially break continuity.
>>282685264I honestly think the Sasori-Chiyo fight is amongst the best in the seriesNo one really appreciates how strong Prime Chiyo must have been to take out arguably the 4th strongest Akutsuki member (he obv let them win at the end tho), considering she was going toe-to-toe with the God of Puppets while near the end.
>>282685651I fucking hate White Fang so much. Konoha is such a shithole for somehow pushing what was apparently a near Madara or Hashirama-level ninja to suicide.
>>282685582Yes, this one was also good. The manga doesn't have many genjutsu users, it was nice to at least have a filler about them.There also were the cringe fillers. Like the one with the bug that smelled Naruto's fart.
>>282685651with the God of Puppets who became retarded because of the plotA sane Sasori would at least kill Kankuro.
>>282685651I agree that Chiyo is underappreciated, she's a very strong and likable female character, one of the best in Naruto. If she was young and sexy she'd probably have the popularity she deserves. Not sure if Kishi would've done anything interesting with her had she lived past this arc though.
>>282679876>Naruto without his headband>Sakura with her bowWait, this flashback is from before he even became a ninja.
>>282685416>>282685396>>282680116Arigatou, OP!
>>282685937Anon...you feel for his genjutsu...
>>282685937It's not a flashback, it's a schizo hallucination.
>>282685800>>282685889yeah Sasori was literally him, but remember that Chiyo was unstoppable in Edo Tensei vs Kankuro using Sasori's body puppet and a LITERAL ARMY OF JONIN AND SAMURAI and Itachi had to bail them out or else they were done for.
>>282685800>A sane SasoriTo be fair, that's probably a paradox kek
>>282685651Mostly because sasori's literal army of puppets that "destroyed an entire country" jobbed without doing anything. And sakura was there with extra doses of the biju poison antidote. And chiyo literally had the two exact things needed to specifically take down sasori. Namely the mom and dad puppets and chakra sealing ball.
>>282686212Well, yeah. Still, if he had used his sharp thing to penetrate Kankuro's cranium, the whole plot arc wouldn't have happened. You could expect a cold-blooded mass murderer and a war veteran, who created a vast spy network, to actually kill his enemies.
>>282686529of course it was a cherry picked fight and Sasori wouldn't have died in any other circumstance exact that EXACT ONE (and volunteering to die he could have easily killed them but this is talknojustsuto). You gotta put some respect on her 10 high jonin-level puppet technique tho, she was throwing hands.
>>282680117Probably something like the method being difficult and ineffective so you'd need a crazy amount of chakra for it to be worth it. Also, lack of chakra rarely seems to be an issue outside of fights (and the examples you mentioned), where I guess the technique would be too difficult to use.
>>282686932literally no one had ever healed his poison before and it kind of looked like Sakura just got fucking lucky with the antidote, he had a right to feel cocky about leaving him there to die. He only lost because his literal grandma talk no jutsu'd him just like Naruto and Pain+Itachi else they would have smashed.
>>282684991Would
>>282682824Chiyo probably doesn't want to create hell on earth where people's only purpose is to use the technique to bring someone else back to life.
>>282687170the Sand would 100% do this
>>282685674If he let the land of whirlpools fall then maybe bullying him to suicide was justified.
>>282687118>WOULD be a good grandson for her>WOULD eat her cookies>WOULD diligently learn the puppetry>WOULD make a funny puppet for her birthday>WOULD make her proud>WOULD make Suna's future bright for herKakashi copied her resurrection jutsu, didn't he? He should've mind-controlled Gaara, taught him the jutsu, and forced him to resurrect Chiyo.
>>282687213Everyone would abuse it, chiyo basically invented small scale rinne rebirth.
>>282685674In case you haven't noticed, almost everyone except Naruto and pre-"death" Obito in the show is totally okay with abandoning their morals every step of the way to mercilessly bully people and kill at will I'd say he was Akutsuki level but not GOAT status like those two, just look at how easily Madara handled everyone and he LOST to hashi
>>282680116>pov: Temari threatened to Kirikiri mai the whole if they didnt attend to Gaara resurrection
>>282687480Still, less than half the village attended. I suppose life in Suna is so miserable, they don't really mind to die.
>>282685264very true. it's prob my favorite Shippuden arc after Pain, Itachi v sasuke, 5 kage, and very very select parts of war (i genuinely enjoy the battle vs the previous kage and most madara villain parts). i understand that it's rewatchability is semi limited, but everything from the OP to the opening fight against gaara to naruto losing control almost immediately sets the scene for the show at least till Obito enters in earnest
>>282681805his best friend literally tried to kill him lol. but beyond that, he developed his personality as a way to try to stay positive despite the mistreatment. he was a normal guy until he was chosen as B, and therefore as jinchuriki
zetsus ass hasn't done shit. get him off the cover!
>>282687755He's always hanging around not doing shit.
>>282687931I mean one half was the mastermind that accomplished his ultimate goal of achieving Kagura's will and the other half was mutated into a literal army and almost killed the kage at the summit. Poor Obito.
>>282688043I liked Zetsu more when he was Pain's pet who eats the leftovers.
>>282688076Same.
>>282687299>Chiyo creates a Rinnegan tier jutsuSuna is such a weird villlage
>>282688183Konoha has edo tensei. Iwa has apparently immortal oonoki. Kumo has Samui (not related, but sexy). Every village has something astonishing.
>>282681878black zetsu is literally the antisemite's idea of a Jew lmfao
stop making forbidden jutsu
>>282688266>Iwa has apparently immortal oonoki.Oonoki isn't anything related to immortality; he's just really fucking old. Remember, Hashirama's time was only fifty years before the start of the series.
>>282688183Pretty funny that a puppet entertainer's legacy a few generations later resulted in puppet armies destroying nations and forbidden jutsu that would bring dystopia if replicated.
>>282688321Kabuto should have gotten more fighting action time with his abilities tbqhwyf
>>282681755lel
>>282688332We know nothing about Iwagakure besides like 4 people from there and those panels with Kabuto as a spy. They can literally have Hidan tier shit blood sacrifice rituals to extend their lives. That also explains why Deidara didn't bled out.
>>282679721>>282679744So, if this is 'life energy' transfer instead of chakra. Didn't this reduce Naruto's lifespan or some shit?
>>282688437It's the same thing. If your chakra runs out, you die.
>>282688321this is one of the funniest parts of the series imo. it's not unbelievable bc the previous arc was essentially just Itachi reiterating again and again that everything has a weakness, and yet his solution (genjutsu and then force them to undo) is maybe the least satisfying weakness to an annoying fucking jutsu. then out of the blue madara pulls this out and basically justifies stupid ass edo tensei from ever being used again, since it's so easily overcome and creates incredibly difficult enemies now how Madara managed to learn the release to a jutsu that was not even likely to have been developed by then (given tobirama created it, and Madara disappears off the face of the earth while hashirama is still kage)? maybe zetsu is supposed to have figured it out by surveillance, or Madara just actually came up with it himself. given Tobirama couldn't release himself, obviously it wasn't know to him-- and given that orochimaru is literally the only other person to have learned it, it's hard to say how madara came up with it. just standard Madara hacks i guess
>>282688321>carelesslyNo one can predict the BS the Uchiha are able to pull.
>>282688483a final fuck you to the senju (& madara's personal event enemy) for being stupid enough to make it desu
>>282683715I loved this game back in school
>>282688479There has to be a difference because no amount of chakra can revive the dead, you need at least one human sacrifice as a rule among the three techniques. If you could brute force yoinking souls from purgatory everyone would be using shared chakra to do it.
>>282688481it's not that crazy. Madara seemed fairly knowledgeable about it and even knew tactics for it from the very beginning. Common sense says Tobirama used it in one of their many encounters. Likewise seeing the release post-battle isn't that much of a stretch
>>282688481He had time in the cave to fuck around with it
>>282687605Half the village? That looks like their entire fighting force to me
>>282688656but Tobi was revived 2 different times, one of which where he wasn't under control for even a second, and yet didn't release. likewise, i can't imagine someone as cautious as orochimaru ever using it on someone like Tobirama (or even Hashi, since he'd be knowledgeable enough about his brother's shit), knowing that he would end up in a 2 or 3v1 with all kages. i think it's implied there's a different release formula for the caster and the revived, though i wouldn't promise thatI'm not mad about it though, it's good to have just put such a stupid powerful jutsu out of commission for good, otherwise it'd be the center of every possible Naruto plot forever (since it's not like a human sacrifice is a big deal to trained killers)
>>282688889With such gender ratio? Did the most Suna women flee for Konoha?
>>282688321Wait, why didn't Tobirama do this when Orochimaru summoned him?
>>282688632It's a Skill Issue™. Only some of the most academic and skilled shinobi of all time are able to wield life and death level powers. Chiyo was the most formidable of her generation, far stronger than the likes of the 7 swordsmen. Tobirama, Orochimaru, and Kabuto are the ultimate scholars. You get the picture.
>>282689007also, needless to say Nagato had the fucking Rinnegan and was an Uzumaki so that's a no brainer
>>282688843his time in the cave seems mostly limited to being kept half alive from the tree, grafting his lover/enemy to his body, and imagining he managed to create things that he didn't create. it's a p significant reach to say he'd just figured out the counter to a jutsu that didn't exist before, and if he was spying via zetsu it would've just been easy enough to have a quick 'glad i had zetsu to keep an eye on my enemy Tobi back in the village'. if you can make a 500 episode show you can give 40 seconds to clarify a major change in the plot, maybe at the expense of one of the thousand flashbacks between naruto and Sasuke
>>282688968Orochimaru lives for excitement and doesn't fear death, what do you mean?
>>282689035>>282689004you're forgetting the only person to actually have power over life and death without consequence, naruto during so6p mode.also: is it ever clarified if rinne rebirth kills you every time? bc konan tells nagato that he'll die from lack of chakra, not from a trade of lives. otoh Obito dies from it, but he also takes seemingly forever, and his death could likewise be caused more by the fact that he was a) on the verge of death after losing jinchuriki status, b) not even able to handle a single rinnegan, let alone have nagato's control, which is even better than madara's, despite being his eyes (madara, obito, and sasuke never show full use of the paths), c) maybe he wouldn't actually die if he didn't literally get boned by kaguya
>>282689125he literally lives to learn everything and live forever. he's not a coward, but he's definitely cautious. he doesn't even attack the village until the kage is ancient, he has an entire nation on his side (an a psychotic jinchuriki), he has his own village, and neither of the other two remaining peer level ninja (tsunade and jiraiya) are around. even then he does it with a sneak attackbetween that and scurrying between hideouts and staying underground, he's probably the most cautious character in the series
>>282689127If Nagato were healthy he could have absolutely survived his Rinne Rebirth jutsu. I wonder if Sasuke will ever use it in Boruto. It's like the equivalent of Obito not using wood style more.
>>282689007>it shall be your downfallMeanwhile, in the end, Oro was the only character who actually reached his goal (Naruto became hokage, but functionally he is just a clerk, so it doesn't count). Moreover, Oro continues his work (just had to accept some restrictions). The work, by the way, isn't free. Either Konoha pays him or he has his own money. He still own the Rice country and Sound village. So, he is a rich, immortal, eternaly young, influencial, and most literally genderfluid scientist. He still owns the Rice country and Sound village. So, he is a rich, immortal, eternally young, influential, and most literally genderfluid scientist.
>>282689174I wouldn't call him cautious, I'd call him the ultimate tactician. He has no problem making bold action when he feels empowered, and has a profound confidence about him and his abilities. It's clear Oro and and Kabuto improved on the jutsu, and they accounted for a LOT (I mean Kabuto's War Arc board was a Go board symbolically for a reason), but they have a certain hubris about them as well as exemplified by Kabuto's Izanami journey.
>>282689215AI or just drunk like me friend?
>>282680088The bottom three panels look funny next to eachother.
>>282689289Yes. Just very tired.
>>282689430Truth be told, I haven't worked on a difficult project for work in a long time but I understand. I'm in my slacker phase so I'm just vibing and it's going well for me to decompress.
>>282684077Shikamaru is terminally lazy but also committed to his friends and comrades. about the only thing he shares with Sasuke is his cool attitude.
>>282680176Yugito was implied to have had a fairly normal life. Obviously Kushina and Mito, though they're special cases.
If his Edo Tensei jutsu was more advanced to the level Kabuto pushed it, would Orochimaru have been able to defeat both Sasori and Deidara at once?
>>282681828the whole "Gaara had nobody" thing is immediately blown out by Kankuro and Temari. and Kishi never once tries to explain why they weren't there for him as a little kid. he presents it like Gaara is an only child
>>282681838nah, the Uchiha are>given every opportunity to integrate, and even given positions of power as a show of good will>can't help but subvert and destroy every community they enter; valuing their own clan over whatever host nation they are parasiting off of
>>282689612they were afraid of him and had dad of the century fostering that sentiment
>>282682809this reminds me>the only female Aburame clansman ever shown is a bit character in BorutoImagine the psyche of a girl who is destined from birth to have to be a living insect hive.
>>282683838would you want to keep living if you lost a girl like Kushina? If she were my wife and she died like that I'd be going full Orochimaru if not full Obito to try and revive hershe's a genuine 11/10 angel
>>282689672It's pretty interesting how that was the only time we saw an Aburame female. in Naruto, all we ever saw were males.
>aspire now are even trying to gatekeep Gaara’s sadnessThe state of the retarded criticisms of Naruto needs to be addressed. I don’t mind critique, but people go above and beyond in their idiocy to mock this series to act like they are above it. Video essay faggotry culture and weeb autism are a bad mix.
>>282689728She has the face of a man.
>>282685889>>282685651imagine her using her puppetry skills in the bedroom
>>282689672Indeed
>>282689660except even at their introduction during the Chunin exam saga they're presented as sorta chummy with him.
>>282689761she's said at multiple points to be really pretty. She had a chubby face as a kid but turned into a total knockout as an adult
>>282682254Hiashi won.
>>282688321>Madara's "asspull" #283109470
>>282682350I think most people agree that Shippuden Gaara is nice and wholesome
>>282689836>she's said at multiple points to be really pretty. By the dude who married her?
>>282690099and Naruto, and Tsunade. the only people who mock her looks are a couple of dipshit kids teasing her when she was also a kid. Surely you also remember being a small kid and teasing cute girls because you want their attention but don't know how to properly express your interest?
>>282689184there's gotta be something in the works for how sarada gets ems-- they wouldn't give her nearly kamui level abilities (and who knows what her second skill and susanoo will be), and make her the obvious post konohomaru (lol) kage, if she's gonna go blind. wouldn't surprise me to see her die after Sasuke comes back, and then have him rinne rebirth her at low chakra, resulting in his death. feels like a full circle for his character to give his life for his clan/family/village, as a final atonement/emotional resonance for Naruto, who I'd be pretty shocked to see killed offit's p funny that the best rinnegan user after the so6p is a guy who wasn't even born to it, but that might just have to do with nagato having it from childhood, and having uzumaki hack chakra, which is pretty much Sasuke's single weakness (madara only gets them for like 24 hours of life, but even he's only able to have hack chakra by consuming hashi). i do think it was a funny choice to just let madara's rinnegan vanish, when obito acknowledges that they could be transplanted to Kakashi. guess it would just be too much to have kakashi luck his way into the best pair of eyes, after stumbling his way into the second best eyes (kamui ms)
>>282680089>>282681035Ninshu>>282680176Gaara did it the last two years even if he never talk with anyone except his siblings
>>282689244yeah, but i think their mix of hubris and tactical awareness would preclude using a jutsu that can easily turn your pawn into an angry and unkillable zombie with unlimited chakra desu. plus Kabuto says a thousand times that there's no weakness, implying that he (& oro, given kabuto has all his memories and has developed the jutsu even further) doesn't realize that weakness
I kinda wanna thumb through the filler episodes to take stock of just how many filler girls start crushing on Naruto
>>282690330Kabuto or Orochimaru will be hokage before Konohamaru.
>>282681828I can see it as them being too young to really help until he was already too broken, that or rasa keeping them separated to avoid them being viable hostages against him because he somehow should care only about suna
>>282689609yes. oro was probably the 4th strongest Akatsuki, after pain/Itachi/kisame, and even then itachi and kisame are pretty matchup dependent (itachi wins pretty much any 1v1). plus w a full strength kazekage who can only die by sealing, which neither deidara nor sasori seem skilled in, it's an easy win. otoh to perfect the jutsu, to prevent the soul from withdrawing like 3rd does anyway, you need to exert control, which limits his own fighting. at worst oro does what he does best and turns out to be unkillablebetter question is: how strong is boruto oro? now has woodstyle, having been reborn in a zetsu. has all the combined experience of kabuto. plus has had years more of experimentation. only time he fights he beats a kara member in like 30 sec, but that's not necessarily a crazy feat for most of kara
>>282690163>and Naruto, and TsunadeHer son and her distant cousin?
>>282690448do you have any proof people found her ugly, beyond the statements of a couple of 8 year olds commenting when she herself was 8?
>>282690368i think those two are a bridge too far for naruto lol. sasuke may have wanted to kill everyone, but did a damned bad job of killing anyone. they basically just committed genocides for fun. also acknowledging Kabuto necessitates acknowledging he's currently looking over a stable full of sharingan, and that isn't idealhate it or love it, kono is following Naruto, not counting interim kage shikamaru
>>282690475Kakashi's dad let a whole village of these die and you're wondering why he killed himself.
>>282690480he cleared out a couple dozen people during the Kage Summit. Suigetsu even comments on how Sasuke doesn't really care about his "don't kill bystanders" restriction he originally set when Hebi was set up.
>>282690518>entire village of genki gingers sent to the slaughter>all we're left with is Karin and Narutoshame there's no doujinshi of Naruto and Karin bonding over the fact they are each other's only living family
>>282683465>Madara became good in the endWhen? Madara died as a cackling maniac.
>>282690520yeah, but they were samurai, so who cares? anyway a dozen is like half a day for kabuto and orochimaru, and that's not including the untold hundreds each racked up in the invasion of konoha and the war
Deidara was Tsuchikage material.
>>282690534um actually Naruto inherited the will of fire which means the entire village is his family, the Thirs said so
>>282683465desu that's why it's broken, even after having an easy out. should've shown that anyone forced back is forced to suffer unbearably the whole time due to the evil of the act. otherwise any nation would be stupid to not temporarily revive their greats every war, trusting they wouldn't choose to stick around after like madara did
>>282690541even more of a reason for older Sasuke to not want to kill them. have precisely zero connection to Konoha or the destruction of Uchiha. He went out of his way to spare people early on, even those who he would've had some incentive to kill, like the people around Juugo.
>>282690547Imsgine how much stronger Deidara would be in his 30s instead of his teens.
>>282690561doesn't mean there's no hierarchy of relationssecond cousins ahead of third cousins; Karin is even explicitly said to be named 'Karin Uzumaki'. You'd think at some point he would've clocked that
>>282683711Connecting with someone while you are alive is the secret to go to ninja heaven
>>282690572well the actual explanation is that post itachi sasuke lost his mind due to Obito's meddling, so he stopped giving a fuck about his prior morals. his chakra seemed different because he became murderous, which he promptly showed by wanting to genocide the village and kill anyone he saw, including karin and sakuraI'm just saying he's easier to forgive than kabuto or oro, who can only be forgiven so long as they drop out of life completely. even then, sasuke only gets forgiven bc Naruto actually likes him, and bc he's necessary to research the Otsutsuki bc he's the only rinnegan
>>282690584is getting obsessed with Sasuke genetic for Uzumakis?
>>282690650Yes, and if Kushina were brought back to life with the dragonballs she'd be all over Sasuke too.
>>282690618I don't disagree with that. I was just commenting on the claim of Sasuke being bad at genocide. when he first left Orochimaru, he makes it clear that he isn't a sociopathic murderer like Orochimaru and was only focused on killing Itachi. and that he was never committed to Orochimaru's plans, but rather was simply using him to improve his own strength. His raid on the Kate Summit was supposed to highlight his continued downfall into darkness, how he had given up on his earlier morality in the quest for revenge.
>>282690518>>282690534what if it was a whole village of kunoichithey could still do most low tier missions since normies in the setting are even more worthless than kunoichi, and they could get protection from stronger clans by marrying some of their girls off to their leaders(of course a kunoichi village was doomed in fhe end)
Uzumaki Tayuya
>>282690663>>282690650basically everyone is obsessed with Sasuke, regardless of affiliation. even though Naruto is the namesake, Sasuke is clearly the protagonist, and crosses the line into Mary Sue territory with how the story bends over backwards to excuse his behaviour. you either love and want to save him, or you are "bad" and need to be reeducated.
>>282690696isn't there a filler arc about an amazon village that has to do basically that?
>>282690547Yeah but he was insane.
>>282688437Probably chiyo only needed chakra to activate the jutsu and sacrifice her lifeforce
>>282690705>temperamental hotblood with a big mouthI.. I can see it
>>282690716fuck Sasuke and fuck Uchiggers. The strongest in the leaf have spoken
>>282690737Also has demon summons which is what Uzumaki did.
>>282690547Kage need to show good leadership and diplomacy skills and an ability to actually manage a village. Ninja ranks aren't just a measure of raw battle power, it's whether they're a complete package. that's why most ninja never make it past Genin, and why Shikamaru was promoted to Chunin despite losing his match. Deidara is WAY too much of a loose cannon to be trusted with that much authority, regardless of how strong he is. Even the Raikage is shown to have good leadership and diplomacy skills when push comes to shove.
>>282680088Naruto turns Gaara gay here which is why he never married.
>>282690742>"Uchiha descend from Hyuuga" goes totally unaddressed until Kaguya randomly has the byakugan
>>282690671yeah, i was joking when i called him bad at genocide. he just had one chance to do it and it was with 5 kage present, and then afterwards was out of commission from eye surgery until he stumbled into zombie Itachi. I'm sure he would've done great at it if he'd been given the chance
>>282690368And Konohamaru will before Kiba.
>>282690772gaara and lee should get together to gay father raise their two children without mothers. they'd be a cute couple
>>282690716>crosses the line into Mary Sue territory with how the story bends over backwards to excuse his behaviourThis all gets rewinded with the fact that he only exists to job to Naruto (and some others) and show how cool and right this whole time Nauto was.Also the story still portays his a meanie in the wrong even when he is right to anyone sane (hrrr drr why doesn't he return to the village after finding out the truth).Basically all of that description only works when it comes to how Naruto and Sakura people treat him
>>282690663She had Mikoto, remember?
>>282690727>>282690769Within Akatsuki he was polite and respectful, and always happily shared intelligence. Ome kf the most stable members.Plus Tsuchikage ninja like Kurotsuchi seem to have liked him and were pissed off at Sasuke for having killed him despite him being a Missing Nin. Presumably he never did anything to heinous against his own people to. Maybe after running away he just mostly bombed enemies of his village and would have returned after getting it out of his system?
>>282690716>or you are "bad" and need to be reeducated.Idk, Shikamaru didn't and he is Kishi's dearest darling, on par with Itachi
>>282690737>>282690755also very pretty
>>282690807except he spends practically all of Shippuden stronger than Naruto, to the point he could almost instantly kill him every time they meet prior to the War saga. The only time Naruto fully outclassed him is when he first got Sage, and Sasuke responds by getting eternal mangekyo and susanoo as a result, which puts him on-par with Madara and makes him fully capable of bodying all of the tailed beasts in one go. The only reason their final fight ends in a draw is because Sasuke chooses to not use his Rinnegan or any of his Sharingan abilities beyond the susanoo during the fight for some reason.
>>282690818how much of that is because the Stone village frequently outsourced to the Akatsuki because their daimyo had defended their ninja department? at the time the Akatsuki were still in the "we will become the mercenaries of the world" stage and Deidara wasn't about to doublecross the group because he knew the instant he tried he'd get ripped in half by Itachi and Kisame. >cute-rotsuchi mentioned
>>282690829even he is forced to heel to Naruto's wish to try and redeem Sasuke. He outright calls Naruto selfish for trying to stop them from going after Sasuke after Pain, and Naruto basically tells him to 'Believe It or else' and Shikamaru backs down.
>>282690884defunded* not defended
>>282690859Loooots of Sasuke overestimation on your part, but I'm not interested in powerscalinh so whatever
>>282683180does the databook talk about the sacrifices being able to regain their original persona? Because if not you might as well argue that Sarutobi killed Zaku and Kin because their edo-tensei-summoning-personas are unstoppable
>>282690899Doesn't that make Naruto the Mary Sue of the situation
>>282690947both times they cross paths prior to the War, Sasuke is presented as unambiguously stronger. the raid on Orochimaru's hideout and the battle after Danzo.
>>282690884Pretty sure he left the village before being forced to join Akatsuki and just worked as a solo mad bomber for a bit. Seemingly he left on good enough terms to be remembered fondly.In my mind he was just a prodigy kid who left leaving a note saying he needs to bomb some shit for his art. In an Akatsuki-free world he'd just return sometime in his twenties, a more mature and experienced artist who blew up a few shitholes, and they'd welcome him back like a celebrity.
>>282690959no, because people disagree with him and work against him. You're supposed to love Sasuke or you're a bad guy.
>>282690969>the battle after DanzoNope, he is not. Naruto puts it as "if we fight right now, we will both die"
>>282690974he still was wearing his Iwa headband when Akatsuki picked him up. He was working as a bomber for hire but nothing implies he has fully abandoned his village yet. Iwagakure itself is implied to be pretty dark grey on the moral compass, so there's a distinct possibility they knew about and did not care about his terrorist activity. The Tsuchikage is said to have been on good terms with Akatsuki, and it could very well be the case that Deidara himself was the connection used to get them in contact with each other.
>>282690980Some disagreements don't matter when ultimately everyone is forced to slurp Naruto and cater to his ridiculous wish and the haters in the end are proven wrong while Naruto is the single person on the earth that was right all along and did the impossible Also no. I don't think you are supposed to see people like Raikage as bad guys. Just misunderstanding Naruto's Bright and Empathetic Mind
>>282690779It was all part of his plan.
>>282690990yeah, and at that point Sasuke is utterly exhausted and partially blind after overusing his mangekyo. Meaning, if he were rested, Naruto would get obliterated.
>>282690980And people don't disagree and work against Sasuke? Genuinely what the fuck is your point supposed to be?
>>282691015Naruto himself becomes a Mary Sue during the war arc, but before then he's just a normal battle shonen hero.
>>282691010it just tickles me that everyone treats their missing nin working for Akatsuki like the worst traitors but Iwa are like oh yeah Deidara he was cool
>>282691036my point is everyone who opposes Sasuke is presented as being in the wrong, even though he explicitly is doing a lot of evil shit. Naruto, for his faults, is trying to be a good guy. Sasuke isn't. People siding with or being strongarmed into siding with the good guy is normal and expected. A lot of excuses are made to justify the further pursuit of redemption for a guy who factually killed a lot of innocent people for personal gain.
>>282691026Sometimes you hate people so much you become their biggest fan, anon. Literally no one shares this opinion about Sasuke's apparently such great advantage post Sage Naruto, hell, local Narutard that was around yesterday would get completely assblasted at these words
>>282691067>factually killed a lot of innocent peopleLike who? The samurai, lmao?
>>282691070quoting the story isn't lionising. Until the war arc when Naruto gets the kurama sage double boost, Sasuke is factually stated to be stronger than Naruto.
>>282691081do they not count just because they aren't from a ninja village?
>>282691067>everyone who opposes Sasuke is presented as being in the wrongThat's wrong. This entire series is about the protagonist opposing Sasuke, he just doesn't want to kill him for that. And there were many more.>People siding with or being strongarmed into siding with the good guy is normal and expectedFor something competently written doing that to such an extent is not normal>factually killed a lot of innocent peopleAlso didn't happen, his kill list of random people is probably many dozens smaller than even Kakashi's or Gaara's.
>>282691112Well in that case go and count literally anyone killing. Hinata's team murdered some chunins, but it's ok, that's not evil since the government allowed it. They are ninjas, their job is to kill. Kakashi in the anime ANBU arc kills more random foreign ninjas in one episodes than Sasuke in the whole series, but it's ok since Konoha asked.
>>282691112These are militants from another village, he killed like 5-6 of them.Child's play compared to what other characters have done, including the good guys, and definitely disingenuous to call that "killing lots of innocent people". You are in shounen, ffs, Itacgi can murder babies and be called borderline Jesus Christ
>>282691139there's a difference between defending yourself when trying to do a job, and actively hunting down innocent people to assassinate for personal reasons. of course in reality ninja were assassins and engaged in morally ambiguous murders all the time, but that's not how official ninja work (at least, not in Konoha) is ever presented. they're "good ninja" who only go after criminals or whatever bullshit Kishimoto came up with to make the setting palatable. >there are people who will unironically try and argue Sasuke dindu nuffin>>282691160>thinks I'll defend ItachiI think the Uchiha deserved to be culled. There's my hot take for the evening.
>>282683425Both shit?
>>282691183>defending yourself when trying to do a jobSo that's what we call it these days, lol. All these obviously good guy jobs that just so happen needing to kill all your neighbors, huh.>actively hunting down innocent people to assassinateWut? He wasn't specifically hunting down anyone innocent, he was just slicing through the guards to get to his goal protected by them.Literally the only difference is that Sasuke's is a freelancer and all other ninja are killing for under state orders (most of the time), that's it>there are people who will unironically try and argue Sasuke dindu nuffinNo, i just think the morality in this series is very hypocritical and Sasuke is overly criticized for things everyone else does, but Kishi doesn't want you to think much. If anything, Sasuke wasn't evil and murdering enough, a half baked jobber that screams more he does or thinks anything of substance, but still makes everyone seethe because he does that with no WILL OF FIRE in his heart. >I think the Uchiha deserved to be culled. There's my hot take for the eveningColdest take ever
>>282684984They already lost their bijuu for the next 15 years AND their Hokage. The balance is already disrupted. Keeping Minato alive is what keeps Konoha ahead, lmao
>>282691183>"thinks I'll defend Itachi">defends Itachi in the next sentence
>>282691314>the only good thing Itachi did was on the orders of someone else>he still royally fucked it up and had to metaphorically eat crow twice because of it
>>282691183Hinata and co murdering people during the exams was also absolutely necessary and not evil for personal gain, right? What about Gaara killing people mean to him on the streets of Suna? What punishment came after that one? Shared hallucinations with Naruto don't count, everyone gets these
>>2826913591. that was filler2. it was kill or be killed in the examsI feel the same way about Gaara being redeemed way too easily. if he got as much story focus as Sasuke, I would be making the same arguments about him
>>282691055I guess it wasn't very clear to them why he deflected on the first place.
>>282691447>it was kill or be killed in the examsWeird, everyone else did fine without killing, except Gaara oh well.Also doesn't justify shit, it's not some death game they were forced into, they signed up to then go kill other contestants
>>282691481it depended on who you came across. Most of the genin didn't have their battles shown, in canon or otherwise, and you're also pretending like there wasn't an entire group of people who were there with the explicit goal of killing as many people as possible to try and illicit a response from Sasuke. You're acting like team 8 executed a group of defenseless children in cold blood, how bad-faith can you get?>didn't even read my comment about me agreeing with him that Gaara's character arc has the same problems as Sasukeyou were really banking on that gotcha, weren't you. had the response all primed and ready to go, regardless of what I wrote
>>282685651I just realized Chiyo is just Sasori with Konan's hair. It made the backstory about him jobbing to Konan makes more sense
>>282691526I don't need to respond to Gaara stuff because I agree on that, nothing to elaborate on hereAs for the other part, all that just still sounds like a weak justification to me and brings me back to my point. Killing of other millitants, be it ninja or samurai, not in self-defence but for your goal is normal there. People only care when you do that while not licking village's boot.
>>282691596the difference is who is the instigating party, and what the goal is. I shouldn't have to explain why context matters.
>>282691183>that's not how official ninja work (at least, not in Konoha) is ever presented. they're "good ninja" who only go after criminals or whatever bullshitthey're war mercenaries or Army Forces for their nations, they go to war and kill other soldiers for a wage.
>>282691447>it was kill or be killed in the examsthe willingly went into this state sanctioned burocratic process knowing this, meaning homicide was accepted as a possible necessity.
>>282691623the Konoha 11 aren't ever shown doing that. the handful of times they're shown doing "real work", it's stuff like protecting foreign dignitaries and hunting down known criminals. Otherwise they're only ever doing stuff to protect their home villages and the civilians therein.
>>282691610Absolutely, because instigating killing some foreign ninja to pass the exams you signed up for is just so much better than killing some guards to get to kill the most corrupted shithead of the world
>>282691636they factually did not know this, which is why practically all of them looked shocked when Anko said there was a real possibility they could die. and even then, she mostly frames it as if the main threat was the environment. the Oto ninja going on a rampage is clearly shown to be an extraordinary event that nobody foresaw. To the point there was serious discussion on whether to cancel the exam.
>>282691640NTA, we aren't talking about Konoha 11 specifically, we are talking about ninja of the setting in general>>282691659Ah yes their poor souls just cried from the trauma of having to do that later. Wait no, it's treated as just another evening actively
>>282691683>activelyactivity*
>>282691640Are you actually sitting here and trying to prove that Konoha ninjas only kill in self-defense and criminals lmao?The good old ANBU under Danzo are just a very special police force unit, guys, I swear!
>>282691683>they didn't have an emotional breakdown after being forced to defend themselves in a life or death situation in a non-canon filler episode? indistinguishable from Shippuden Sasukethis is what your argument has reduced to. >>282691709ROOT is presented as being bad, anon. and even then Danzo at least tries to present his stance as being for the good of Konoha. He was explicitly a villain, driven to do evil deeds because he believed they were "necessary evils". He is given only the barest minimum of sympathetic writing.
>>282691015Not really, he was right that it was possible to save sasuke, the disagreement was if they should even try. In the end he succede but no one take back their opinions
>>282691746>ROOT is presented as being badyes, and it contradicts all previous worldbuilding.Ninja are groomed as child soldiers, raised to kill for the Daimyo's money
>>282691067Sasuke is never portrayed as in the right, only someone that sasuke wishes to save from himself
>>282691769Complete headcanon, so many people would try and hammer in him "no, Naruto, he is too far gone, you can't reach him...."
>>282691833*Naruto
>>282691833he's portrayed as totally sympathetic. you as the viewer are supposed to side with Naruto's desire to save him. that he is worth saving. >>282691803They're soldiers who engage in no war. this is another core problem with the writing, but it's a different discussion.
>>282691746>forced to defend themselvesLmao yeah right. I was just pointing out how ridiculous you sound in context of the setting and the fact that they signed up for this, not reducing my own argument>non-canon filler episodeWhat are you talking about, that's from the manga
>>282691840Yes and they were wrong, but they never felt very convincing to me, probably for how little interaction there was between them and how little Sasuke did, I wouldn't say for this that >everyone is forced to slurp Naruto and cater to his ridiculous wish and the haters in the end are proven wrong while Naruto is the single person on the earth that was right
>>282691746They weren't forced for shit, anon, let alone in self-defence. They literally set up a death trap and waited for whoever gets caught, all in the first 10 minutes of the exam, Kiba's ass ws smiling over that.What a weird hill to die on
>>282691856I consider him sympathetic, he had a very bad deal that we are shown, and still he's portrayed like a murderous madman other time. I don't know if you noticed but sasori who has a killcount magnitudes of time above his still has a sad death
>>282691859they fundamentally signed up for what they believed to be a fun frolic in a forest, collecting mushrooms and taking exam tests like they did in the academy. if you want to argue about the characters being unrealistically ignorant of the realities of being a shinobi, then make that argument. But don't try and warp it into something else. Hinata and co were very much not mentally prepared to have to kill people, even as late as the Sasuke Retrieval arc characters like Kiba and Choji were still kinda under the delusion they could just tap out of fights and only resolve themselves to fight to the death when they realise they have no other choice. Shikamaru has an existential crisis after his first time leading a mission because he was wholly unprepared for the reality of being responsible for people's lives. he outright states that he thought being a shinobi meant he was just going to be paid to go around picking daisies, and it takes Tsunade Temari and his own dad berating him to turn him around. and AGAIN; the Oto ninja going around killing people for fun was treated as an exception rather than the norm.
>>282691856>They're soldiers who engage in no warwe literally see child soldier Kakashi and Obito getting their confirmed kills in the Third War
>>282691921Fucking Danzo had a heroic music on as he was dying in the words of his justifications, which made half of the normalfag viewers go "oh I get it.....he was...he was necessary evil! He did what was needed!"
>>282691921tragic characters and sympathetic characters are not the same thing. Just because you understand their motives doesn't change their core morality being as black as midnight. or in Danzo's case, a very dark grey.
>>282691934Exactly, it isn't exactly a problem exclusive to one character
>>28269193320 years before the main story. Did you miss the core plot point of how the current generation are said to be kinda weak mentally because they grew up in an era where real war doesn't exist? it's clearly an allegory for the real world generations who grew up after WW2, and thus only know relative peace and prosperity.
>>282691939Yes, Sasuke was helped before he was too far gone like all those other characters
>>282691924Anon you are seriously on some headcanon copium there, go and reread the actual pages, it's chapter 46. It's like the other anon said, the first minutes of the exam, they happily set up a trap and killed these guys and moved on as Anko was getting horny at their screams. Kiba later even wanted to go collect some other scrolls
>>282691957Sasuke was a lot deeper in the hole than the likes of Haku or Gaara.
>>282691980Not an actual victim count wise
>>282691971>deadthey're caught in a net with chakra-sucking leeches. >>282691998of actual people we see them kill on-screen, Sasuke kills more in that one fight at the Kage summit than either Haku or Gaara kill.
>>282692007Well yeah, on-screen is the key word in here>kills more in that one fight at the Kage summitLet's not act like there much more
>>282692007>they're caught in a net with chakra-sucking leechesSo you've realized everything you said was a retarded headcanon lie and moves on to the next copium, great
>>282692029if you want to play the hypothetical game I can do the same thing for Sasuke and hypothesise about all the people he killed during his time with Orochimaru and then during his journey with both Hebi and Akatsuki. and I totally forgot about the entire field of people Sasuke kills at his first introduction in Shippuden, purely to "test his abilities". >>282692039you said "killed". The last we see of them is alive. you're headcanoning that they were dead. At no point were Team 8 ever shown mercilessly killing anyone. don't project your cope onto me.
>>282680082Yeah, lately noticed some of these have really poor MS paint level of coloring over the original text and I apologize for the low quality, I feel these should be remade in future whoever wants to do it.
>>282692065>hypothesise about all the people he killed during his time with Orochimaru You would do that because you are retarded and don't remember tht he specifically refused to kill back then, which was highlighted multiple times>the entire field of people Sasuke kills at his first introduction in Shippuden, purely to "test his abilities"Is specifically said to not have kill them. I'm really losing my interest in discussing shit with someone who doesn't remember anything
>>282691924>they fundamentally signed up for what they believed to be a fun frolic in a forest, collecting mushrooms and taking exam tests like they did in the academyBy trying to defend Kishi you're making his writing seems even more retarded.Those kids are all part of clans who served in war, their parents are war veterans or were alive during wartime, they grew up learning killing jutsu made for killing, are you trying to bullshit me into believing that>no parent told their kid about taking a life>no parent told their kids what the Chuunin Exam entails>no parent told their kids why they're even learning killing tenchnique in the first place>no parent told their kids about what war is, why they'll be forced to fight in one someday, and how to survive by killing the enemy for the Will of Fire>no parent made sure that their kid was ready for the harsh and traumatising life of a ninja in any wayGo on, if you think this must mean that the entire setting is retarded and not a single character acts like a human being
>>282692065>the entire field of people Sasuke kills at his first introduction in Shippuden, purely to "test his abilities".That's not what happened, I know it's a comic, but some of you need to learn to read the words on the page tooAlso we basically see everything Sasuke does because he is the main character, so off screen killings are off the table, unlike for some other trial candidates
>>282691954>20 years before the main storyLess than fifteen.Is 2005/2010 a mythical time that nobody alive today could be able to survive in?
>>282692065>the entire field of people Sasuke killsAnon, you just keep digging your own grave in here....The Team 8 point you've lost completely already, everything you wrote sounds like a copium
>>282692029>on-screen is the key word in hereBy this criteria Sasori has a zero kill count. He never killed anyone on-screen>Third Kazekage>300 puppets>an entire countryAll off-screen, for all we know he could have been lying and bullshitting.
>>282692065>At no point were Team 8 ever shown mercilessly killing anyoneYeah, they were just smiling about catching people and leaving them to die in 5 minutes! Truly poor kids forced into self defense you were describing.Btw I went back and found out that the people they killed (oh wait left before they killed sorry sorry) were other Leaf ninja. Hilarious
>>282692132Basically this >>282692107The rules that apply to Sasuke don't really apply to side characters due to the fact that we are following him, not them.Savoring pulling out a random sexy that he secretly got married and went to the honey moon vacation to Land of Waves off screen in the middle of Shippuden could happen (if he was alive). With Sasuke it couldn't.
>>282692159>Savoring*Sasori, fuck
>>282692159>The rules that apply to Sasuke don't really apply to side characters due to the fact that we are following him, not them.That's not how narrative works of fiction work, at all.It's the first time in my life that I read something so retarded.>savoringretarded phoneposter is retarded, go figure
>>282685217>>282685240>>282685262Interesting depiction of dying and coming back to life.
>>282692089>>282692107>>282692124>>282692142I was wrong about him killing the 1000 shinobi. doesn't change the fact that afterwards he has no qualms with killing, both onscreen and off. >we see everything he doesthere are huge swathes of the story where he is entirely off screen and out of focus. >you were wrong about team 8post the page where they explicitly kill somebody during the chunin exams. no headcanon, no assumption. I want to see blood on their hands. >>282692106>thinks I'm defending Kishimotoyou keep making assumptions about my arguments and are wrong every single time. You thought I would defend Naruto's Mary Sue tendencies, that I would defend Itachi's actions, that I would defend Danzo, and now that I'm defending Kishimoto.>>282692120Naruto isn't the real world. if you want to make a comparison, then it's more like somebody in the 1960s having no concept of what total war in the 1940s was like. which, if you know anything about 20th century cultural history, you'd know is exactly what the boomers were like back then.
>>282692184Sure thing it doesn't, bud, we just happened to skip most of Sasuke's secret murder adventures because your headcanon says so
>>282692213>unironically trying to argue that Naruto doesn't offscreen main character actions
>>282692188>there are huge swathes of the story where he is entirely off screen and out of focus.In which he does nothing but something like sulking somewhere in Obito's place alone after surgery or some other irrelevant shit. >>282692227Not of the relevant shit that would never be brought up in the story, which murdering in Sasuke's case is? The fuck are we even talking about?The Taka comment on Sauce when killing for the first time, at Kage Summit. After that the only long off screen time he gets is when is lying after surgery shit
>>282692290other than the three year timeskip, lol
>>282692188>post the page where they explicitly kill somebody during the chunin exams. no headcanon, no assumption. I want to see blood on their hands.Your denial of the most obvious implication after you've spent so much time on your headcanon is delicious. On a more serious note, it doesn't really matter when we are talking about Team 8 and their intentions and their attitude towards being, as you said, forced to kill. Which they made very, very clear unless you are a complete stubborn idiot
>>282692188>You thought I would defend Naruto's Mary Sue tendencies, that I would defend Itachi's actions, that I would defend Danzo, and now that I'm defending Kishimoto.I was only speaking about one of these, you are arguing with multiple people because you are retarded. Which is once again proven here >>282692326 as we are told specifically that he didn't kill anyone at all and that was his policy, which Hebi team even mocked. But you can stay on your sinking ship if you will
>>282685349Disgusting doesn't mean bad. I think it's cool and interesting.
>>282692330>implicationnow who's headcanoning
>>282692188>no concept of what total war>boomersNo American has any idea of what "total war" is because their cities have never been touched by an enemy
>>282692369I am not surprised by your inability to catch up on these given how the entire debate you've been caught plain lying about details and unable to read the story setting so many times it downright embarrassing
>>282692361and then he starts killing people. what's so hard to comprehend about that? He factually murders dozens of samurai onscreen. the only reason we even started talking about hypotheticals is because you tried to argue that Haku was more evil than Sasuke because he hypothetically killed more people offscreen. I told you that if you want to play hypotheticals, then I can hypothesise how many people Sasuke killed offscreen too. Whether it was during his time with Orochimaru or after talking with Tobi is irrelevant, he had plenty of time to do it regardless. It's an assumption either way, just like it's an assumption to guess how many people Haku or Gaara have killed offscreen. regardless, it's all a red herring to shift away from the fact that Sasuke factually was willing to kill people over matters of personal inconvenience which is treated as an evil thing in that world.
>>282692408so you can't find a page of T8 killing anybody explicitly? gotcha
>>282692426So you can't find a page of Sasori killing anybody explicitly? gotchaThey both have zero kills and aren't main characters, so they're in the same boat.
>>282692446did.. did you forget that you were the one saying off-screen events don't count?
>>282692415And I say that your hypotheticals are absolutely retarded and a product of an idiot that doesn't understand how narratives work and why and when these are allowed>Sasuke factually was willing to kill people over matters of personal inconvenience which is treated as an evil thing in that worldAnd my point was that everyone else is doing the same thing, but are not considered evil because of licking the boot, so?I'm tired of this debate, you are exhaustingly retarded>>282692426>>282692446And now you fucking retards are fighting each other, hilarious
>>282692479>And my point was that everyone else is doing the same thing, but are not considered evil because of licking the boot, so?That's the morality in NarutoIf you kill people because the Daimyo pay you, you're goodIf you kill people because YOU want to, you're bad
>>282692501Well yeah, that was my pointBefore a local retard started proving that actually ninjas don't kill or only kill criminals and in self-defence, kawaii Daimyo would only hire them to look after their garden and kiss them a good night sleep
I actually like the repeated hallucinated "flashbacks" showing the difference in Naruto and Gaara's upbringing and found that one page with Iruka standing next to Nardo and Gaara alone quite touching.
>>282692446Nta but you are getting angry that character don't hold him responsible for murders he may have done but only you know about? Sasuke only killed fighters, he still is an horrible person but not an irredemable monster
>>282692556Despite how much I mock some of them and the melodramatic tone they have I'll agree with you, some were really emotional.
>>282692556Me too, this time it's a bit late, would've been nice seeing gaara with friends other than his siblings from suna but it was still nice
>>282692479>it's retarded to assume the evil guy who has killed people onscreen is capable of doing it when the camera isn't focused on himlol>everyone else was doing the same thinglike when? so far the only example you've provided is an assumption of T8 during the chunin exams. One that is directly contradicted by their personalities and response to real ninja combat later in that arc. At best you could say Kiba specifically is flippant enough to not care if they lived or died, but at no point is he or Shino or Hinata shown to explicitly kill anybody.
>>282692547Yes he doesn't understand that if any ninja got killed by the Leaf genin during the exam it would have been good because the Daimyo are observing the quality of the new batch of child soldiers and it wouldn't have been considered something they did because they wanted to, but because they were instructed to.If you commit genocide for the Daimyo nobody bats an eye, if you kill one person for personal gain you're scum.Hell this is a world were Sukumo was forced into suicide by public shame because he chose to save the lives of his partners instead of obeying orders.NOT KILLING is more immoral that KILLING in Naruto if you don't follow orders.
>>282689499Oro...
I'm glad Naruto ended so many years ago, imagine the agenda posting with series, jesus>>282692556Well yeah, it's cute when you forget about lack of build up and all that>>282692573He's just hating and getting mad at his own headcanons at this point. Ignore him and that >282692598 one, that's some genuine autism right there.>>282692601Basically this. To be a shinobi is to endure, Hashirama considers Itachi a true shinobi for what he did
>>282681755kek
>>282685889the naruto female fandom doesn't care about old ladies characters either, i agree she is great thou
>>282685889>Chiyo is underappreciatedWhen this fanbase is asked about well written female characters, which a lot, people only mention her and Tsunade.Who are both alright at best, which says a lot about the standard we are dealing with
>>282691092Nah, Sasuke really never caught up once Naruto got sage mode. He was busy getting raped by Bee and struggling against Danzo while Naruto was beating up Nine Tails and Pain, then stacking powerups on top of more powerups. It was so bad people were wondering how Sasuke would be able to catch up for them to have a proper final fight. And they were right, Sasuke "catching up" really required him to hijack 8.5 bijuus to TIE with powered up Naruto and get him to fight in base (where they tied again)Basically Sasuke peaks around Deidara/Itachi
>>282691934Danzo didn't do anything wrong. Or rather, what Danzo did wrong is actually just Kishimoto's universe being badly written.
>>282693566Danzo did everything wrong>he was using shady methods, but only to save the Leaf!Every problem he "saved it from" was the one he himself created
>>282693545Rinnegan would have been a good enough power-up for him if he had actually been allowed to spam all the hax shit that Nagato used to have.
>>282683609I take issue with your Bleachtards statement, since that thankfully is not a consensus on /a/. Bleach threads frequently shit on Kubo's writing.
>>282693580>Every problem he "saved it from" was the one he himself createdThat's exactly what I'm talking about when I say the issue is Kishimoto's writing being shit rather than Danzo himself.Danzo is described as, and I quote Sai, "heavy-handed, but all his actions are for the good of Konoha". Danzo's actions are shown to create basically everything wrong in the ninja world for literally NO benefit to Konoha.Well-written Danzo is more like Tobirama. But what we got is Scapegoat Danzo.
>>282693709Nta, I think they should have shown Danzo as a positive figure, just to later reveal the darkness behind his operations.
>>282693634Needs Rinnegan and that Perfect Susano that was slicing up mountains too, that's the baseline there. Rinnegan mostly used to absorb jutsu, if he can absorb the nukes which isn't really a given at that point.Basically once Naruto got KCM2 it was pretty clear you needed to be able to conjure some giant abomination to nuke the entire arena like everyone else or you were left behind. You need to be casual mountain buster like Hashirama or you're done. Sasuke got a bit of that with Perfect Susano (bullshit)
>>282693735That could have been interesting (and morally gray) too. I'm fine with moral grayness and Danzo having done some bad things for the sake of the village but if he didn't produce any good result for the village it just falls flat.
>>282693700That's because they calmed down a bit. When 1 cour was coming out, /a/ Bleachtards were just as insufferable as the normalfag ones.Though perhaps because of the hype back then these were the normalfag refugees after all
>>282690475The japanese supposedly don't make much porn of Kushina because "her face is just like Naruto's".Also, those wonky panels from the one shot.
>>282690705That's a haruno.
Kushina, Chiyo, Hinata, Temari and Ino in that order are my favorite female characters in Naruto, what does that say about me?
>>282693709Sai here reminds me of every boomer that has dictator's cock in their mouth and says that everything they did was not pretty but obviously very necessary, like those modern Stalinfags.So Danzo also works as a schizo boomer ruler that feeds population with the tales of the necessity of his iron hand due to so many enemies around while creating said enemies all at the same time. Not that we have any real life examples of that one heh
>>282693806Eh, to be fair, there is less stuff to poke fun at with Bleach than Naruto, Things like THE HEART are only stupid to those who don't see Kubo's artistic vision for the manga (the constant black and white imagery and metaphors), ignoring the symbolism related to Ulquiorra's character and viewing it superficially from one angle only.
>>282693905Kek, there you go
>>282693904It shouldn't be written like that. Danzo should have SOME merits, some kind of reason to do heavy handed things. Tobirama had reasons and they were good enough. Danzo is just poking the bear for no reason whatsoever
>>282690368I forgot, is Kabuto from the Leaf village? Do you have to be from the Leak village to be Hokage? Not sure what the Ninja Constitution states.
>>282691447>that was fillerIt wasn't.
>>282693764Exactly, it shows how childish he is as a concept.
>>282693981No, it shows how childish the manga is
>>282693989The things are connected.
>>282693941Hashirama and Tobirama managed to be hokage without being from the leaf village so
>>282694054they MADE IT
>>282686143>filler
>>282680567
>>282693981>>282693989>>282693993>manga written for grade schoolers is childishno wayTo be honest Naruto is even more childish than the average WSJ work
>>282694568It could've been different
>>282694576>if my grandpa had three balls he would have been a pinball machine
>>282694568Yes, I felt funny writing that, but it promised a more serious concept.
>>282693864You have pretty good taste. Swap Ino for Tsunade and it ascends to godly taste.
>>282694198We haven't reached the Gintatsu and Kintatsu part yet.
You are my friend!AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
>>282694709This, but swap Tsunade for Mei.
>>282694937We're getting there
for me it's Ameyuri Ringo
You aren't my friend.meeeeeeehhhhhhh....
>>282688437Its already explained using medical jutsus you spend chakra alone but Chiyos jutsu works spending lifeforce and chakra rather than only chakra
