I like Frieren, but the whole “demons are just evil by nature” thing feels like a cop-out. The show has so much emotional depth and moral nuance with humans and elves - then suddenly we’re told demons can’t feel empathy or morality? It kinda kills potential for interesting conflicts or redemption arcs. Like, imagine how much more impactful it’d be if there was even one demon struggling with morality or trying to live peacefully. Instead, they’re all written like fantasy mosquitoes.Do people actually like this trope, or are we just ignoring it because everything else in the show is good?
Demons are evil.
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"____ are evil by nature" used to be seen as a stale, played-out trope, and to be fair it definitely requires less effort. But there have been so many subversions over the years that we've cycled back to the point where it doesn't feel so clichéd anymore. Or at least for sapient, talking evil races. Bestial murder golems like the goblins from goblin slayer never went out of style because they go even further into evil territory they're just even more aggressive chimps, morally.
>>283065337No, it creates interesting conflicts. If they were just like people then they might as well just be people.It's also inaccurate to say they can't feel empathy or have no morality. They're fully functioning sentient beings, they just don't have human emotions. They can choose not to kill people, but they don't feel any reason to. They are able to learn what the biological and social roles of a father are, but they don't really care and can't empathise because they don't have those feelings.
>>283065337Are Mimics evil? If not, why are they different than Demons?Demons looking very human-like seems to be a recent (-ish, at Frieren Timescales) thing, they did look a lot more like monsters in the past (see the Zoltraak one)
>>283065337Demon hands typed this.
>>283065337The show is in part so great because it has such great pacing and knows how much it can take at a time. You could have a future arc where that is explored and Frieren has to struggle with that, but why include it when the show is about completely different things.And btw the demons being "just evil" is also a fine approach in my books. Remember, when they die they don't leave a cropse, they just disappear like all mana based monsters do. Having them be just monsters that evolved a high level of, what appears to effectively be, sentience, but only evolving their abilities related to speaking, looking like and being able to understand human actions so as to better lure them into a sense of security so they can kill and eat them isn't a bad idea necessarily. If anything trying to humanize them in that case would be completely misunderstanding them in the first place. They're "evil" not because they're "demonic"/ontologically evil, but rather because they're predators without any of the social or moral understanding of a human that prey on them. If they looked like tigers instead you wouldn't have as much of an issue thinking of their ability to speak as nothing but a trap to lure prey.
>>283065337Trope? It's not a "trope" to have the bad guys just simply be bad. Having "misunderstood bad guys" is a fucking trope, and an overplayed one at this point.
Demon apologists thread
>>283065563>Are Mimics evil?No.If not, why are they different than Demons?Mimics relieve Frieren of her sexual urges. Demons have yet to do the same. Nor have humans for that matter.
I want to be sex friends with a demon.
>>283066447>Can learn complex magic and language>But you can't figure out people don't like it when you kill themDemons aren't evil. They're just incredibly retarded.
>>283065337>demons protect demons >humans kill humansFrom my point of view the humans are evil.
>>283065337you sound like a midwit and the type of retard that frieren demons evolved to prey onyou'd probably die to a succubus if they were real
>>283065367Demons need to corrected into good wives
Someone didn't read the Macht arc.
bait
>>283065337>The show has so much emotional depth and moral nuance with humanslol
Curry thread.
>>283066544They really need to learn how to fuck if they want an easier time
Why did you make this thread againWhy? For what fucking purpose?
>>283065337My main issue is that I still don't understand how a society of selfish evil prople functions. Who raises the children? We know that demons do not understand the concept of parents, so how the fuck do they survive when they're babies/children? Do demons even feel enough lust to want to bang because we never see that? Why would demons follow orders from other demons? How do they build a society when a society requires people to make sacrifices for the good of the group, something which demons can't do? With generic fantasy stories like with orcs you usually don't ask these questions, but because the author is trying to treat the issue of demons lacking any empathy or morality seriously, it just raises too many questions.
You know who else is evil by nature?
>>283066447There's a doujin of that with solitar. She kills the guy in the end.
>>283065547You're right, but imagine if demons in Frieren were more like typical modern demons and yet Frieren still murdered them without giving a shit.But then again there's probably some secret rule in Japan against making stories like that.
>>283065337>hello there fellow dogs, we should let the pitbulls into the dog park
>>283068043tough but fair
>>283068340Yeah, he found the corpse shed so she had to end things.
>actual bot thread with bot repliesholy
>>283068419Which ones? This looks normal to me.
>>283065337>OP first to get himself and his family killed by demons
>>283065563>>283065950Madhouse employee convinced Animator to draw vagine outline for this stuck Frieren.
>>283065337I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill em all.
>>283066544Are there hybrids in Frieren? Has anyone tried?
>>283065337I think it's a bit silly that Frieren like talks with Qual, explaining things to him before she destroys him. Same thing happens with Aura.If they're evil automatons, then just attack them. You're not going to get anything out of the conversation. It just isn't consistent.
>>283069030She was mainly speaking for Fern's benefit. Hence why she told Fern not to bother catching up on her reading the previous night, deciding to just explain it on-site instead.
It doesn't really make sense. Demons are clearly sapient but are automatically evil? That's not how that works.
>>283066730Contrived bullshit. So it's not just that demons are pure evil, all attempts at not being evil go up in flames because they're just sooooo evil? By that logic, isn't Frieren's quest to understand humans also doomed since the "misunderstanding" is purely genetic?
>>283065337>The show has so much emotional depthyou need more experience even at watching TV, anon
>>283069284>By that logic, isn't Frieren's quest to understand humans also doomed since the "misunderstanding" is purely geneticI wouln't be surprised if that's the case
>>283068003>Why would demons follow orders from other demons?This one’s easy to answer. If the other demon is stronger, then of course you’d follow, otherwise you’d get killed. On the flip side, it means you have the “support” of someone stronger, or at least, you’d be able to count on being able to act with them. Besides that, it’s not like a demon can’t understand the concept of safety in acting in numbers. I imagine they’re more limited to smaller units, though, like the kind Aura acted with, rather than as a full nation on account of how they’re primarily motivated by self-interest. It would take someone with the strength of a Demon King to unite them. So they basically don’t have a society, at least not as a civilization as complex as the humans’. Probably more like on the level of a tribe? Not that that they really need an entire army, when a select group of individuals is enough.Demon reproduction and how they grow up from birth is a total mystery for now, though, we can only guess at it.
>>283065337It's so Frieren can feel no guilt when killing demons. That way the readers can't complain about her being just as bad as them or such rethorics.
>>283066544Worth it.
Some animals evolved the ability to imitate other species' mating calls so they can prey on them. Are they evil? Or irredeemable? No, that's just their nature. Do you, as the prayed-on species, want one living next to you? Heck no.
>>283069533That's not how evolution works
The d in demon stands for dicking, btw
>certain races are just evilI like this trope because it's synonymous with the real world.
>>283065563They’re just like animals
>>283068239>were more like typical modern demonsYou mean still objectively evil but tricked you into thinking they are good because someone draws them sexy and you masturbate to pornography of men fucking women you find attractive? Yeah that would be kind of interesting having to see the mental gymnastic you go through to pretend you aren't a cuckold that lives voyeuristically through other men.
>>283065337forced opinion
>>283065337If that happened then Frieren would get twice as many shitpost threads, maybe even more than Mushoku Tensei, saying shit like "hurr durr she's a hypocrite", "her killing da demons makes her just like them!!! fr fr", and other dumb shit.
>>283068239holy shit you're dumb and gay
>>283066573Based and true
>>283069802No, I meant like all the stories where demons are at war with people, but then the mc out the super secret about how the people started the war or something, then he has a loli demon princess join his harem and all is forgiven, but you sure wrote an oddly specific scenario, anon.
>>283066544Fascinating
>>283066544I might end up bruising the demon womb, and would be happy about trying to outcompete genghis khan.
>>283065337>if there was even one demon struggling with morality or trying to live peacefullyIsn't that the entire point of the Macht arc, he was trying to understand human but even until the very end he didn't get it?
>>283065563Are wild animals evil?
>>283071656yes
What if we domesticated demons? Selectively breed them in captivity for being submissive to humans.
>>283065337The thing is, demons are not evil. They're dangerous and amoral, yes, but they cannot be evil because they don't have the emotional capacity to do so.To be evil is to have the capacity to do good, and choose not to anyway.They are nothing but unusually evolved predators that just happened to bruteforce evolve a method to prey on creatures more sentient than they are.The only reason "demons are evil" took off so much is because this is 4chan and nazi larpers need to attach racism to everything they enjoy and likening any group they are mad about that day to Frieren demons is an easy way to justify their schizophrenic hangups.
>>283071755those parents are evil for being fucking stupid
>>283069488She just murdered him without having sex. You've to peak her interest to be able to interact with her, but she'll still kill you at the end. I'd plainly state that I offer my life in exchange for spending a single day and night, without sex, with her. Additionally I add the condition that she has to keep me alive when eating me because I want to enjoy the act along with her.By taking control situation and making a absurd demands I'll peak her curiosity. The final nail in the coffin is telling about the nature of demons. For example that I know she won't honour the arguments once her interest dwindles. Basically you've to be completely honest to her, then dodge her manipulation and lastly keep her entertained throughout the day, then face death head on. Demons are very prideful. You can't demand sexual acts from them. They'll kill you.
>>283071656Only intelligent ones.
>>283071755Good dog
>>283065337You clearly haven't read the manga
>>283071895>Closest animal to humans>Extremely unhinged and evilMakes sense.
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>>283068031your MOOOOOOOOOM?
>>283071755>that mp4jesus christ
>>283071755You just know that dog is gonna be eating steak every day of his life from now on.
>>283065337How blatantly do you need stuff explained? Demons disintegrate in the same way as other magical monsters when they die. They are all creatures meant to destroy humans in any way possible.
>>283071755This is AI.
>>283071963that's the thing, humans are maliciously evil, demons are unawaringly evil because it's just something in their animalistic natureanimals that eat other animals, we don't call them evil just because, but somehow demons are called evil because they eat humans? this comes off as peta-sounding, but just because humans put themselves on a pedestal doesn't mean anything that preys upon them specifically is evil by that quality alone, that's just sanctimonious on behalf of humanity, it just comes off as "UH WELL UH WE HUMANS ARE UHH SUPERIOR SO DUN DO NUFFIN TO US CUZ IS EVIL (but it's okay to kill mooses and fishies because they suck and WE need food)" rhetoric
>>283065337The whole point of demons is that they're evil. It would be extremely cringe if they were struggling with morality and the writers were trying to show that demons are people too.
Personally, I just think the implication that an entire race of people need to be killed on sight else they destroy your society is inherently fucked up.
>>283072595Anon, I understand that you're traumatized by western writing but "These people are bad because I say so" is not better.
>>283072656>I understand that you're traumatized by western writingthat's unfortunately like 90% of the people that post here lately, just kneejerking to westoid shit and complaining about suchit's hard to post about anime because someone's always gonna introduce that topic in some fashion even if just as a troll
>>283066544>But you can't figure out people don't like it when you kill themThey get it. They just don't care.
>>283065337I like the trope. It's perfect timing in the whole...I guess you could call it 'modern fiction meta'(bleh). The other side of the coin is so played out.Sometimes a demon can just be a demon.
>>283071755this is the fakest shit I've ever seen and anyone who thinks this is real has lead poisoning
>>283068239That would be extremely antisemitic
>>283065563Weren't Demons literally an evolution of Mimics?
>>283069284>By that logic, isn't Frieren's quest to understand humans also doomed since the "misunderstanding" is purely genetic?The fact that this is a possibility among other outcomes makes it interesting, no?
>>283068848Not what that is.
>>283065337>the whole “demons are just evil by nature” thing feels like a cop-outI agree. the church should be the real villain, and the demons are just oppressed. What a twist it would e.
>>283069585What do you mean that's not how it works What about it was wrong
>>283065337Demons are species of animals that mimic humans to eat them. They aren't demons from hell, they are just called that because Japan.
>>283071755I have reason to think this is AI. But I think AI is really quite impressive at this point, with this particular type of video(if I'm right).The supposed errors I think I see could easily be fixed by hand.
>>283071755>clock can't decide what time it is
>>283066544Frieren is so shit, imagine not raping every demon you encounter
>>283065337Think of a demon as a LLM that also wants to eat you.
>>283073729a llm these days would be a lot better at fooling people into believing it has genuine emotions than the average demon in the series. the demons are carried by the fact that they all look like attractive humans (minus the horns).
>>283069284>isn't Frieren's quest to understand humans also doomed since the "misunderstanding" is purely genetic?Congrats on finally actually understanding the underlying themes. It's like a human trying to understand the morality of a fly. Of course we know the fly doesn't want to die, we just don't care that much. They live for like a day and while we can logically accept that they care about their lives, we just don't feel empathy for them.
>>283072989You have to go back.
Frieren is so shit, series should have had Aura beat Frieren.
>>283073246Victimless crime
>>283065337The expectation in modern fantasy is that demons and orks are just misunderstood by racist humans and that they're just as morally good if not better than humans.However, Frieren subverts this expectation by making demons evil again.
>>283065337>The show has so much emotional depth and moral nuancelol lmao
>>283068031>>283072105My sides.
>>283071755there is absolute no fucking way this is real lmao
>>283068848>Madhouse employee convinced Animator to draw vagine outline for this stuck Frieren.She's face down. So that's her ass not her pussy.
>>283065337post more pictures of Frieren telling Aura to kill herself
>>283071755AI slop
>>283071755just go back to posting the dancing cat video, that’s way more convincing than this AI trend will ever be
>>283071755Pwned
>>283065337This artist draws cute demons
>>283068043>>283066447>>283066544That doujin of hers is unironically the best Frieren doujin I've ever read. The art is super similar to the actual manga and she ACTS in character so much I could see it happening in-universe. The sad thing is that it's super short
>>283065337>redemption arcs.westoid thinking, not everything can be redeemed
>>283075523>not liking things being redeemedwe know what kind of saar you are
>>283075571illiterate retard
>>283075523This is a pagan belief
>>283074099As if you wouldn't complain if that's the big reveal
>>283075624denying inherent duality is delusional.if there's ultimate good, there has to be ultimate evil
>>283069671I agree, nobody doubts the evil nature of white people.
>>283075595brb gonna redeem those google play cardsthe google play demon redemption arc
>>283071755this is the fake as fuck, time date stamp in the corner is basically straight out of a dream, the parents only pop into existence as soon as the baby hits the ground and come from the right, and who the fuck is recording? mother fucker films like an automated surveillance system. the eagle exits stage right in the direction the parents are coming from and diapers into the fog, while the dad runs off into the horizon in the opposite direction away from the bird doing fuck all. the baby looses an arm cause the ai forgot the dog had the babies shirt in it's mouth and morphed it into the shirt then into a stump and then back into an arm at the end of the video. shirt's ripped when the baby is on the ground then magically fixes it self as soon as the baby is picked up by mom but is also somehow still tattered? this video is a fucking train wreck yet some how mother fuckers will still fall for it.
>>283071895fafo, shouldn't have called him a violent ape
>>283073803So they've over optimized for physical attractiveness and under optimized the interpersonal communication skills required to trick most humans on a long enough time scale. But they do obviously have the ability to do pretty well on short enough time scales with quite a few people. Until they fuck it up with some killer autism.
>>283065337demons are predators and humans are their prey. bears don't have moral quandaries fishing up salmon, lions don't struggle with the morality of hunting gazelles and orcas don't ask themselves if the seals dislike being the ball in a game of catch. the nature of demons has been stated multiple times throughout the series - they are monsters that evolved to deceive humans by looking, talking and acting like them. it's also been stated in the series that one particular demon did toy with the idea of co-existence and that almost lead to the destruction of humanity because when a demon imagines co-existence they don't picture happy towns with demons and humans living together, they picture farms and human livestock, perhaps even ghettos where humans feed and rear themselves with the best stock being picked out like a lobster whenever a demon is feeling peckish. if a demon struggled with morality it would be over whether humans taste better caged or free range
there are literally hundreds of media that depict demons and monsters as 'good guys' or misunderstood bad guys with a heart of gold.go watch those
>>283068003This one actually does have a sort-of explanation. Demons by nature are solitary and don't have an actual society, and situations where demons are temporarily forced to interact are resolved by their instinctive response to sort themselves into a hierarchy. This worked fine until the demon king, being the most powerful demon, ordered all the other demons to gather and organize themselves into a facsimile of human society, and now even long after he's dead the impact of demons being compelled to act against their nature for so long like this can be seen in the species.
>>283077594There really aren't. This is a strawman you people have concocted to justify Frieren's shitty writing. Are you even a Catholic or just LARPing?
>>283077905your illiteracy does not change reality
>>283077905go watch jobless reincarnationit has the perfect character to satiate you
>>283075408>cute demonsSo the demon's adaptations are working.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmVvYwKxLdA
>>283065337Demons being evil by nature ia the very definition of the word.
All of this talk about depictions of demons in media is missing the fundamental point that what a ''demon'' is is completely different depending on the world in question. Comparing demons from Frieren (magical beasts, like dragons, with the abilitiy to use language and assume the appearance of humans to better prey on their game of choice) with ''demons'' from MT (depending on your definition either the inhabitants of one of the 6 worlds that existed before the series, any of the groups that fought in a war 400 years before the start of the series or one specific ethnic group that got ascribed that label because of past actions and a still extant history of discrimination based on those) or biblical demons of all things is fucking retarded. You might as well compare blue eyes white dragon, Monkey D Dragon and Perugius (Armored Dragon King) with each other because of all of these have the word ''dragon'' in them.
>>283078876the actual point is LARPing christians/moralfags don't care.they just want the bad guy to become heckin good in the end no matter what
It's funny that if you point out the very obvious real-life parallel that Demons are meant to represent you immediately get banned.
>>283078876Imagine a Christian watching Inuyasha and expecting Sesshomaru to be hanging out in Heaven with the archangels Michael and Gabriel until Lucifer decides to stage a coup and Sesshomaru sides with Lucifer since, you know, he's a demon.
>>283074385It really is. I wonder how many mages and warriors own a rape dungeon for the sole purpose of demon rape.
>>283078967women?
>>283065337>arguing for demons>demons are literally magic monsters that use humanity, ie. language, shape, features, as a means to prey on humans>OP has fallen for demon propagandaOP you're literally pic rel, they dont wanna fuck you like you do them.
>>283065337>thing feels like a cop-outWhy? People being evil fundamentally is a hard thing to write. You have to make it makes sense for the antagonists to do what they do, and that is a tight line to walk. Because if you fail, you get either a plot hole OR a bunch of cartoon villains. Besides the main thrust of the series is the impact having a long as fuck lifetime does to a person. >>283065547Nah, nature stuff is way harder to do than some copy-pasta of a person being a morally grey person. You have to stick to being evil, and that takes a measure of commitment. Can't show them being good, that makes a plot hole. Meanwhile a morally grey character just can do WHATEVER the plot requires of them, they are morally chaotic after all. The challenge is not falling into "cartoon evil" aka the evil laughing 80's bad guys that are cliche.
>>283065563Depends on how you want to view Demons. If Demons = humanity's predatorThen Mimic = adventurer predator which is approximately a humanity predator = DemonFrieren is a great depiction of humanity not being the apex predator - Demons are. They excel at tricking humans and eating them. Humanity would be extinct if smarter creatures like elves didn't exist to stop them from being Demon bait on the regular.
>>283065648For some reason people get it with vampires and werewolves, but sperg out with demons.
>>28306668699% of men would absolutely fall for succubi guaranteed. The 1% that survive would be the asexual monk types with autism. Even the fags would fall to incubi. I mean come on, a hot as fuck woman approaching you for strings free sex? Falling hard for it. Especially if they can emulate kuudere waifu behavior? So many falling for it. All of the mummified dried up husks of men in the hospital would murmur: "worth it" and die. Real question is how would women react to succubi being a real thing. Obviously they'd try to crab in a bucket them, but women are conformists and succubi could easily fad them into ignoring their activities. Especially if a succubi group existed, super easy to make fads that fuck women over. I don't think women could stop a succubi take over.
>>283069284>all attempts at not being evil go up in flamesKinda like forcing a carnivore to be vegan. Doesn't work. And you have to be stupid and NPC pilled to try.
>>283079567The show clearly defines them as monsters that speak. Mimics can't speak so they can't be considered demons.
>>283065337>They have cute demons in FrierenYou'd be the first one eaten, good lord. Every story universe has rules, and in this one, demons are evil.
>>283077555There are humans who empathize with pet pigs and lobsters, and predator animals like lions can empathize with gazelle, especially if they were raised together. So even if this is the framework that the story was going for, demons are still being portrayed unrealistically.
>>283080870>some animal cases == all animal casesi wish you retards would think about what you post for longer than 3 seconds
>>283080892It's clear that you don't understand the topic at hand. It's fine to say that most Demons are evil and incapable of coexisting with humanity, but if you then try to stretch that and say that some facet of the Demon mind makes it outright impossible for one to ever empathize with a human, that's just unrealistic. Demons have to be capable of some form of empathy in order to to interact just with one another, otherwise they'd be hunting each other just as often as they hunt humans.
>>283081052>that's just unrealisticwhy?Hardmode: Don't appeal to your religious morality framework
>>283075520I think she would get married and live a happy life with him instead of murdering him desu
>>283081077I just explained why. Are you illiterate?
>>283081138You presented two separate thoughts.empathizing with a human is DIFFERENT than empathizing with a demon / your own kindI asked why it's unrealistic for the 1st case.
>>283071755kek
>>283081052>Demons have to be capable of some form of empathy in order to to interact just with one anotherIt's been clearly stated they don't feel any kinship towards each other and don't even have the concept of family. They live alone from the moment they are born and only band together, in small groups, out of convenience and/or because they're forced to by a stronger demon. The only thing they acknowledge is strength in the form of mana and the only thing they, as a whole, (besides preying on humans) give a fuck about is working on the one specific magic they specialize in so they can get stronger. When they speak with humans they are never doing so to come some sort of common understanding to forge some bond with them, only using their words like a tiger would use its fangs. Lügner explicitly mentions how their way of using words to kill the weak is completely fine and that considering them mere beasts that use language to deceive humans is an apt description. What do you need the author to do to make you understand they aren't supposed to be redeemed? At this point there is nothing short of the voice of god telling you all of this is true and can never be overcome for you to accept it and then you'd complain about that being bad-writing, as if every single creature in the world needs to come to some common understand with each other.
>>283065337Evil is evil and it should not be tolerated. Simple as. Demons are not meant to be understood or redeemed. The show shows you, multiple times, that they experience no remorse or guilt so they can´t be redeemed anyways. Even Macht and Solitar, who are deviants, only do what they do out of curiosity and maybe affinity for a single specimen of the human race. For them, whose time is closer to that of the elves, swearing fealty or agreeing to demand for the sake of being amused for a few decades is a trifling matter. They are cunning monsters capable of talking for the sole purpose of deceiving their prey. True communication and thus coexistence are impossible. They just pretend to understand for the sake of achieving their own goals. That being the case the only option is absolute extermination.
>>283065337TDD
>>283081229>What do you need the author to do to make you understand they aren't supposed to be redeemed?Nta but the author should've made them behave more alien. Simply having them never hold conversations with fellow demons whatsoever would've helped hammer home how non human they're.
>>283081985the fact that they advanced to learn emulated speech and can successfully deceive in and out of universe is so alien, people literally can't fathom it.A cartoonishly "alien" behavior would have undermined them.
>>283075523Demons can be redeemed by becoming sex slaves.
We all know you are just simping for Aura and whatever that other bitch was named, you get the bullet.
>>283082158Solitar is very friendly and just wanted to talk
>>283079596I blame demonic influence
>>283071397>>283070651This is why they call you brainrotten by tiktok. NO one categorizes genres like that. A genre doesn't change if you think it's "mid". What gave you this idea? Only a brainrotten tiktoker would THINK that. >hey, you call this a harem? It's no Casablanca either. Guess it doesn't have a genre.>oh no, you have been calling Harry Potter fantasy? I'm correcting you and you can't call it that or any word.This is it. The brains of the populace are fried.
>>283078930could have stopped at the first line because liars and hypocrites are brimful in those sanctimonious attempts at pretending to be something you're not, such as faithful to your spouse when you go sneakin and cheatin with your lyin' heart
>>283065337that's a lot of text just to say you want to fuck aura
>>283071755it's amazing how good AI is getting, but it doesn't emulate how in real life the person with the camera always points their phone at anything but what's happening when something happens and they start panicking.
>>283084408Tbh, I hate demons and so do I. She has the best design in the show (even better than Frieren).
>>283079596>people get it with vampires and werewolvesDo they though?I could be wrong since I'm not reading this shit, but I'm under the impression that there's a massive genre of writing targeted at women related to this subject where they don't get it at all.
>>283082158oh no an anime gun
>>283065337>"demons are evil by nature"It's true that Frieren herself describes them as this, though it's more accurate to say that they are psychopaths by nature. They seem senselessly cruel to humans because they truly do not experience any sort of empathy or other forms of emotional attachment. Examples like the story Frieren herself gives about the mayor and the demon child are a great showcase how alien a psychopath's mindset seems to a normal human. Likewise, because they fundamentally do not experience "trust" on an emotional level, they see nothing wrong with cheats, lies, and betrayals since these are all methods by which one can advance their own personal interests. Additionally, because they believe that they are individually strong enough to defy "the law" (of the local land) and kill people, there is little reason for why they should not do so for immediate gain. Because the societies of other races are built upon base tribal instincts that the demons don't have, they are antithetical to these societies and are therefore considered reasonably blanket-labeled "evil" as a consequence.In real life, psychopaths without violent tendencies tend to do well in business precisely because they can be perfectly nice whenever they need to be and be ruthlessly efficient without any remorse. This is not only told well by Frieren insisting that demons are monsters that have mastered the art of lying, but also shown well with just how easily the demons are able to negotiate their way into the city with honeyed words and cultured looks alone. The demons might not feel anything, but the humans sure make emotional attachments easily, and are thus easily tricked into thinking "maybe these ones are different" or "not all demons are bad" simply because they ascribe human thought processes to demons, who do not possess that capacity.In this capacity, Frieren maintains its depth and nuance, as demons aren't simply "evil", they're a race of psychopaths.
>>283085198>they see nothing wrong with cheats, lies, and betrayalsdamn so they are politicians
>>283065547The problem is that the series wants to do the traditional demons are evil thing but it doesn't want to actually be traditional about it. It tries to explain shit and it's explanation is laughable. You could have just said they're evil because they're foul hell spawn but they try to liken them to animals when they're most certainly not.
>>283085198if cockroaches started talking and walking on 2 legs are you evil for wanting them all dead?
>>283071895What exactly is evil about this?
>>283071755>this many retards believing this is realit's beyond over
>>283085877The second ape just comes in drags the monkey back and then breaks it's arm for no reason other than because it can.I don't know if there is more to the video but primates have demonstrated a capacity for gainless cruelty. Much like how dolphins form rape gangs and target the youngest females for kidnapping to make into sex slaves.
>>283085900You clearly don't realize there are parents who have filmed themselves beating their child to death.
>>283086065the second ape is probably the more sensible one actually, he wants a meal and is snapping the arm off to munch on it
>>283065337Some demons are fine upstanding people
>>283086190If only it was me instead of Frieren that made her submit I could absolutely correct her behaviour.
>>283065950She's a slut for mimics.>>283068848They should have animated her being actually stuck.
>>283065563Frieren's got nice hips and legs.
>>283086065he's killing the monkey to eat it you fucking pseud retard. bonobos are well documented hunting monkeys
>>283086087>Erm actually let me tell you about something completely unrelated
>>283086271Every animal knows that the throat and belly are the most vulnerable areas to attack if you want to kill something.Why do the bonobos not simply bite the throat out so that it stops struggling instead of just wailing on it?Why did the first one just toss it away afterwards without taking a single bite?
>>283071656They're not evil because our basic understanding of morals and ethics don't apply to them at all, especially if we're talking about predators. A Jaguar or lion killing a guy isn't evil in anyway, it's just acting on instinct and what's built in it's DNA. Whether you think it's only because of evolution or how God made them, the point is that animals like wolves, bears, tigers etc kill and hurt animals (and each other) because of how they're built, whether you think it's good or evil. No matter how intelligent they are, they're still animals
>>283072490>UH WELL UH WE HUMANS ARE UHH SUPERIOR SO DUN DO NUFFIN TO US CUZ IS EVILbut we are superior
>>283065337Accepting the existence of pure evil (or inherent antagonism if we liken the demons to amoral animals) is one of the most mature things a person can do.
>>283086434not you lol
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>>283065337Humans are the real monsters anyway
>>283071755Where's dad running lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoZgk18dlg
>>283086705first time not seeing aura in a collab kek
>>283065337>tabula rasa brain can't comprehend why birds know to fly south in winter or why beavers compulsively build dams
>>283072628>an entire race of peopleThey aren't this. They're basically a race of literal humanoid-shaped feral animals who can exist solely through eating people and nothing else. They're not intelligent enough to understand why what they're doing is wrong, they cannot be reasoned with because they're actual animals and they have just enough intelligence to know how to get to denser quantities of food so they can't be left alone or locked away somewhere, so the only solution is to wipe them out before they kill everyone.
>>283081229What's stated about demons and what's shown is completely different. Demons absolutely do have friends. Solitar, Schlact, Rivale, and Qual all cared about their fellow demons. Demons are presented as 90% identical to humans with minor emotional differences.
>>283081985They're already alien as fuck - people flat out can't fathom the idea of something that isn't truly intelligent as we'd define it but has perfectly mimicked speech and comprehension of language to ingratiate itself to us for the sole purposes of eating more of us. People by default assume speech = capable of being reasoned with, and the mere notion that what you say to demons simply does not register on any scale is entirely unthinkable to people who believe anything can be reasoned with if it can communicate both in and out of universe.
>>283086724She's only been in a handful, it's mostly the main trio and Himmel
>>283086190Shut up Vape Duck.
>>283086888>Demons absolutely do have friends. They do not. >Solitar, Schlact, Rivale, and Qual all cared about their fellow demons.Partnerships purely out of convenience based on their strength relative to one another =/= friendship. You are a complete fucking moron and the exact sort of dumbass who'd get tricked by a demon.
>>283086255A Himmel of culture.
The truth is that Frieren and Aura were ex-lovers and Frieren didn't want her grandchildren to find out about her old secret.
>>283065337It has the emotional depth of your average shonen
Man you anime-only fans are in for some cognitive dissonance when you get to the Golden Land arc.
>>283065337>demons can’t feel empathy or moralityThey have those things, they are just alien to us. Clearly they feel pride in their magic prowess and shame at the idea of hiding your mana. They just don't understand why a parent would care for a particular child when you've seen one child you've seen em all. Or why they shouldn't eat human flesh when it's right there for the taking (besides a tangible threat to their life).
>>283065337Frieren is shit.
>>283080870humans are omnivorous and perfectly capable of surviving on a meat-free diet, even in the case that we "empathize" with one animal e.g. pigs, many will still allow exceptions e.g. fish. (the fact that we distinguish between meat & fish in the first place is an excellent example of our cognative dissonance when it comes to eating animals)demons are stated to 1. be predators (they cannot survive on plants) and 2. they are predators of humans (they eat humans exclusively. any demon that decided to spare an individual human from being eaten would not extend that grace to the species as a whole.>animals like lions can empathize with gazelle, especially if they were raised togetheryou're doing a lot of heavy lifting on the lions mindset here, if a lion was "raised" with a gazelle and treats it as family it's not because the lions "empathizes" with it, it's because being raised together means that it's scent registers as "family" and the lion treats it as such, it's purely instinctual and has nothing to do with empathy. even in the case that a lion does treat one individual gazelle as family, that won't stop it from ripping other gazelles apart for food, the thought simply will not occur to them.
>>283081229Where do their weapons and clothes and buildings come from if they all all recluses and don't make functioning towns and industriues? How do baby deamons survive?The woorldbuilding fails to make sense.
>>283066447>I want to be sex friends with a demonBURN THE HERETIC.
>>283086785>who can exist solely through eating people and nothing elseIs this confirmed? A meat-eating predator is never restricted to just one pype of meat.The idea that Demons CANNOT eat ANYTHING else seems absurd.
>>283088138>>283086785they should at least be able to eat elves and maybe dwarves as wellbut it'd be funny if it was only humans since then elves should have at least considered wiping out humanity to starve demons many years ago
>>283080870That's called imprinting
Demons are juice. Juice are evil. Juice have lack of morality and logical reflection about themself. The world is ruled by juice NPCs. Frieren is showing us how to deal with them. It is anime send to us by gods so can learn to fight our parasites.
>>283065337We get it, you want to fuck aura OP. You didn't need to make a thread about it
>>283066544>>283075520Can you tell me which doujin it is?
But has anyone ever actually tried to fix a cute demon girl? Maybe it'd work out if you just put in the effort
>>283089740cute demon girl hands typed this post
>>283089740They tried, it was episode about. Juice, I mean demons, are just permamently broken. We need to make them inferile with nanovirus and extetminate esspecially dangerous ones.
>>283088953yes he does
>>283071755Fake, dumb cunt
>>283079596In both werewolf and vampire stories, the afflicted monsters are more often than not humanized with their own plights.Werewolves feel bad for their rampage after they detransform and vampires feel guilty for having to drink blood to survive. These are "Evil by circumstance", not "Evil by nature" because they were human once.
can demons feel sexual pleasure?
>>283091353I want this semen demon to dryfish me
>>283091353Yes, but only Frieren knows how.
>>283075884Also the bird comes in slow as fuck at a janky angle and walks away despite being unharmed for some reason without the dog getting on it and tearing it to pieces. If a bird of prey divebombs something that shit is basically instant.
>>283088138>>283088535We literally see Linie eating apples. Demons don't need to eat people.
>>283072490I mean generally speaking animals that specifically kill people were generalized to be evil back in the day, it's more of a modern thing that we treat them like we do. If you were actually legitimately at significant risk of getting eaten by mountain lions every day you'd want to exterminate them, same reason why Africans will lions and Asians will kill tigers.
>>283093362it's time for a good tickle torturin
>>283093362aura deserves more doujins
>>283096913agreed, she's too fucking hot
She will totaly try to exploit you, destroy your life and then murder you. But hey, she is so cute!Cumbrains are the worst.
>>283071755>all the fucking birds deflecting in the replieslol
