Going to storytime the manga in conjunction with the new anime season so anons can compare and contrast, or experience the story in multiple different ways simultaneously.Today: chapter 85-87
Weekly Shonen Sunday #28, 1989
(the original title is just "Okonomiyaki no Ukyo", this is probably Viz' worst renaming)
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Weekly Shonen Sunday #29, 1989
Weekly Shonen Sunday #30, 1989
To be continued.
>>283950148Best girl.
>>283948987Yaiba by Gosho Aoyama, scanlated up to chapter 165>>283949418Kyoryu Carnival by Etsu Ueda, not scanlated>>283949822Kenta Yarimasu by Takuya Mitsuda, scanlated up to chapter 5
>>283904381>>283823598
Isn't Ryouga a lot stronger during the date chapter because of the breaking point training? In the new anime he's gonna be stronger randomly for no reason.
>>283950823Ryoga has always been physically stronger than Ranma. The Breaking Point training didn't make him stronger but a lot tougher to the point that he shrug off normal blows.
If Rumiko meant for Akane to be more appealing than Ukyo, she failed pretty hard.
This is a justified response to learning you might have a sibling your father kept from you. For once, it's a fair crashout.
>>283951216Rumiko is perpetually vexed that her self-inserts constantly get mogged by girls who aren't herself.
>>283951278>>283949207Why did the remake change Akane's outfit? The manga one was cute.
Another valid response. Saotome really sucks.
I don't remember the violence in the 1st series to be this deserved.....
>Viz accurately adapts Shampoo's very prominent broken Japanese into broken English>then just translates Ukyo's equally prominent kansai-ben into generic EnglishI don't get it. It's such a huge part of the character.
Not as good as Shampoo, but still miles about Akane. How did Rumiko do it? The answer: by accident and she's still pissed about it.
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>>283951386All these three scenes were in the original too.
>>283951450Funnier than the remake.
>>283951473Yeah... but they seem... milder, somehow? I don't know... the the remake they seem more.... angry?
>>283949312Lot of really chibi panels in this story. Look at that third panel. So cute.
Ukyo's eyes look so weird in the manga.
>>283951061Why did Ryoga almost get finished in the rod of love arc then if he is physically stronger than male Ranma?
>>283949870The sight of cleavage line was clearly VIZ having fun, but it does make me laugh.
>>283951783Yeah, original is just "What the fuck is wrong with you?" or words to that effect.
>>283951658Well, Fishing Rod of Love was WAY later. And even if Ryoga is physically stronger, he's a worse combatant.
>>283951389I assume the Shitflix subs don't translate Ukyo's dialect into anything but standard English either?
>>283952142Why bother, twitter retards will cry about muh localization if they do try to localize a dialect.
Ukyo is really short, how could she even pass as a guy, is everyone in that school dumb?
>>283952299If you see someone wearing a boy's uniform and speaking like a boy, you're more likely to assume they are just kind of short. Though Ukyo does seem taller than Akane and not much shorter than guys in crowd shots.
>>283952380It's less that she talks like a boy and more that kansai-ben is rather gender neutral.
>>283949287>Ucchan was a nickname I came up withOh Viz...
>>283950126Ukyo's train of thought here is kinda interesting, she met Akane, saw Ranma doesn't get along with her, and decided to make up with Ranma, she pretty much went "I think I can take Ranma back from her" What a homewrecker.
>>283952453Good to know. Thanks. I guess that's part of the gag too. Bit of Rumiko Takahashi's cleverness that is lost on westerners. Whenever she talks about how much thought she puts into the names and how people speak and express themselves, I can't help but be a bit sad.
>>283951389Interestingly the English dub of the old anime actually tried to localize the dialect, since that was done by a different person than the manga translation. It's really obvious from how her lines were written + the expressions she uses that the person writing/adapting the dub scripts was expecting the character to be voiced with a southern US type of accent.The VA doesn't really give her one most of the time but she was pretty young when getting the role, like either she wasn't confident about doing it or the voice director didn't care enough to really enforce it. But she at least speaks different than the other characters; giving the cast different speaking styles to try to imitate the diversity of speech patterns in Japanese is one of those things the old dub tried pretty hard to doAnd yeah>dubsbut it's relevant
>>283952583What a best girl.
I find it crazy that Rumiko Takahashi making Ukyo a fighter was a last minute thing. All the assistants had left and she just redid the whole chapter.
>>283953996Wait what?
>>283949418Huh, didn't know Shonen Sunday had that many gag series.
>>283954983On Twitter on February 12th, 2022, Rumiko Takahashi said the following regarding Ukyo:""Rumiko Takahashi: I wanted to create a new character and decided to have her dress like a man. After finishing the manuscript and all the assistants had gone I thought, "Ukyo is too ordinary, let's have her be a fighter." Ranma is a story about fighting so I gave her a huge okonomiyaki spatula to make her stand out."https://x.com/rumicworld1010/status/1492439881922269187
>>283955509Kinda makes sense though, there's very little fighting in chapter 85.
>>283955650True, but it does massively changes how the character ended up. At least in the following chapters. Even if she doesn't fight as much, she probably would've had less stories related to her too.
Heh, the Viz translation tones down what Kasumi says to Akane, she doesn't beat around the bush in that she should take care of Ranma assaulting her万が一乱馬くんが襲ってきたらBut the toning down is kinda pointless, we see what she meant when Akane is watching the TV.Also why does Kasumi think Ranma is a rapist?
>>283956891>CowbertIt's a girl, why "bert"?
>>283956988I think they were trying to make the names obviously stupid in translation to get across that they'd sound like stupid/probably fake names in Japanese too. Not saying it necessarily works but I just get that impression>>283956891If Kasumi/Nabiki/etc. believe Akane about other things she thinks Ranma's done, then I guess they also believe her story that Ranma tried to sneak into her room and sexually assault her in the pastIt's actually pretty weird that Akane seems to believe Ranma's like a potential rapist/cheater across the whole series and yet is still into him
>>283957182I get that, but why "Cowbert" and not Cowbelle or something? It's a girl.
>>283957182Oh, and it's "Umakichi" and "Ushiko" in nip, so the horse and cow thing wasn't something Viz came up with. It's why they're dressed the way they are too.
How big are ukyo's boobs?
>>283957526Not as big as her heart.
>>283956891>>283957182They are just "he's a boy". And since it is comedy world, it isn't the end of the world since he is her finance and they know Akane actually likes him.
>>283951216I think Rumiko means for all her characters to be appealing.
>>283957182>It's actually pretty weird that Akane seems to believe Ranma's like a potential rapist/cheater across the whole series and yet is still into himIt's called being tsundere, anon. Akane doesn't worry about Ryoga being a potential rapist/cheater even though he is, because she isn't repressing a desire to marry him.
>>283950728Thank you, not a huge fan of sports in general, but I might pick a few.
>>283958614Rough is very good. Classic Adachi series, fully translated.
>>283957322Didn't the 2024 storytimer say it's a reference to some old TV show?
>>283958614If you somehow missed out on it over the years, Patlabor is an absolutely must. Used to be considered a Ranma-tier classic "everyone" were familiar with.
Ahem. Sex with Ukyo.
>>283959561I didn't suggest it, but someone else thought it was referencing Dilbert, since they have Dogbert and Catbert. VIZ localization could've been referencing it as far as the timeline goes.
>>283951658Because Ryoga being stronger than Ranma is more fanon than canon. We know Ryoga has worse control over his strength, because Ryoga breaks shit all the time whenever his mind wanders, but we know Ranma is just as adept at breaking shit when he puts his mind to it, so that's really no proof. Add to it that Ryoga starts running like a little coward when Ranma starts taking their first duel seriously, and Ryoga's really probably nowhere near as strong as fans like to think.The big reason Ryoga is thought of as strong is because he went up against the "strength-coded" Musk warrior Lime in the Musk Dynasty arc, but folks tend to forget that Ryoga won by using his Shishi Hokodan, a move that gets more powerful the more depressed he is, rather than overpowering Lime. The same way people assert that Mousse is the fastest because he was the one who duelled Mint in that same arc, but they forget Mousse won that duel by shouting "Look, boobies!" and then clobbering Mint in the back of the head when he turned to look.
>>283952583Well, look at it from Ukyo's perspective; the first time she ever meets Akane, what is Akane doing? She's getting mad at Ranma and making snarky comments, despite the fact she knows Ukyo had just been trying to get vengeance on Ranma, and in fact Ukyo was *slapping* Ranma when Akane arrived. Then she sees Ranma and Akane exchanging insults, and Akane trying to hit Ranma for said insults.Realistically... no shit she's going to assume she has a shot with Ranma under these circumstances. That's the big joke of Ranma 1/2; all of Akane's rivals think they have a shot because Akane won't grow the fuck up and stop acting like a tsundere.
>>283961463Yeah, Ranma went on a property destruction rampage after the moxibustion arc so we know he can do Ryoga style bullshit. Plus, we found out in Ryoga's intro given that Ranma picked up the umbrella just fine (though we as the audience and every character besides Ranma wasn't aware at the time).
>>283949345It should be a capital crime to bully loli Ukyo.
>>283952583Hey now, from HER perspective, he was technically hers first(due to accepting the dowry and all that. The Dojo isn't Ranma's yet, as Soun and/or Nabiki reminded them in a later arc(Gambling King?)
>>283953996>>283955509>>283956654Truly, pants seat writing is a lost art.
>>283955509So normally Rumiko would consult with her assistants about the story?
>>283958106Based
>>283952244>twitter retards will cry about muh localizationI thought they loved localization, or does that only apply to censorship-motivated localization?
>>283951304>Rumiko is perpetually vexed that her self-inserts constantly get mogged by girls who aren't herself.How is this still a surprise to her considering she’s an unmarried spinster femcel?
>>283965400Ship warriors are normalfag wannabes confirmed
>>283951304>men dislike violent, unreasonable womenWhodathunk?
>>283961494And vice versa. Ranma and Akane *both* answered straight up that they weren't getting along when Ukyo asked.
Is the Akane/Ryoga date next?
>>283964869I don't think so, but the assistants obviously help with some art or colors. Not so much with this chapter.
>>283967316Yeah.
>>283967316*Is the Ryoga/Ranma rape next?ftfy
>>283951216Ukyofag =/= Ukyo/Ranma shipper. Ukyo is (even) more appealing to me than Akane. Ranma/Akane and Ukyo/Konatsu are otp.
>>283969543Ukyo is more appealing to most than Akane.
>>283970948At the start of the story Ranma was like: "I'm not wearing women's clothes!" "I'm NOT wearing a skirt", then all that went out the window, what happened?
>>283971481He got used to it.
>>283971481>>283971857For a while, he compromised by still wearing boxers underneath. I forgot if it was the Picolet Chardin arc or his mum showing up to buy bras, Akane pointed out that he's never worn panties until then.
>>283949849Ukyo is CUTE
>>283971938It was just for a special set of photos to bribe someone. I think for Happosai but maybe not?
>>283949822Was this the proto-Haikyuu?
>>283972675Oh, might be after the moxibustion arc. Training for the Hiryushotenha left him with no more sense of shame.
>>283949016Where did the Viz title come from? Is it a western pop culture reference like a lot of them are?
>>283973862Yes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIqAcijqWOg
>>283973964Oh god, I just aged 70 years, fuck.
>>283974436Contemporary references have a tendency to age a lot.
Is this the worst stunt genma pulled? Not only selling out his son, but pulling out of a serious contract and using it to steal the livelihood of father and a little girl and then probably selling it off for 1/10th its value
>>283976389Hey now, it was totally Ranma's fault >>283949991
>>283949071Wait, was Kasumi carrying that okonomiyaki in her pocket the whole time?
>>283977805pokettokonomiyaki
>>283977805She's a dirty girl.
>modernyaki>modanyakiWhich translation is correct
>>283978574Which translation was used where?I've seen "modern yaki" written like that on the menu of Japanese restaurants before IRL which I guess shows that at least it's a term that's actually used, though modanyaki might be more common going by a search I did just now. The term modanyaki might be derived from "modern" in the first place but it's not totally clear because it's also speculated it could be a contraction of a Japanese phrase.Basically the terms seem pretty equivalent/interchangeable because both are used to describe the exact same thing
>>283978916Thx. Viz used modern-yaki, Netflix used modanyaki.
>>283973964Charming. That's why the Jones/Viz localizations are the good kind of localizations, they put in actual effort.
>>283976389I really don't think you can top the three pits of angry cats.
>>283980766I'd rate Okonomiyakigate the most saitei da. Cat-fist was born from the dumbassery of not reading ahead. The cart and run was deliberate betrayal of a friend out of craven gluttony.
>>283980766Genma: Each new failure tore up my heart!Kasumi: Not to mention your son! Still a favorite line/translation
>>283982032Yeah, the VIZ guy did good that time.>>283981640Well, he did do it two more times. There's also the Nodoka stuff which is where most of the characters rag on him the most.
>>283982375>Well, he did do it two more times.I assumed he found out about the next page long after. I wonder what got him to finally read it?
>>283971857Thanks to the arc switch he's not going to ease in with a Juliet costume, he'll skip straight to >>283970948
>>283983570Why the hell are they changing the order of arcs anyway? Seems so pointless.
>>283984023To end it with the big Rankane kiss, maybe? Since that seemed emphasized in the trailer. Hopefully nothing more than that.
>>283984097Its not.The juliet arc is next and the last is Duck Mousse. You get to end the season on duck mousse.
It's to show that Ranma would marry Akane even if she was a duck.
>>283984181*only if she was a duck
>>283983570I sort of assumed after the leotard and his experience with the Full Body Cat's Tongue, his view on women's clothing had to change. Like those were him easing into it.
I hope next season they adapt the arc where Ranma and Akane pretend to be married to fool Ukyo, it's one of the funniest arcs.
>>283984629That's volume 19, they'd really have to fuck some shit up to get that far
>>283985008I think it and the ruined sauce arcs are fairly self-contained, so either they'll be cut as filler that doesn't particularly advance the plot, or thrown in to keep the RanUkyo audience. They may or may not keep the "Akane hands Ranma off to Nabiki" arc. They might cut the "kill Nabiki=free" scene, or butcher it.
>>283985247I think both those arcs could count as Rankane relationship development.
>>283985549I was thinking more that they don't require many other plots/arcs(just Ukyo being introduced, for one), so you can slot them in any season without much issue with continuity. No callbacks to them either, that I can recall.
They should just go in fucking order.
>>283985704>fucking order1) Ukyo2) Shampoo3) Nabiki4) Kasumi5) Loliko
>>283986163>LolikoWho dat
>>283986254Hinako's smaller form is described as resembling a high schooler. The way she is drawn and acts makes people think of her as a child.
>>283986163Ukyo, Kasumi, Kiima, Hinako(big), Shampoo, Kodachi, Hinako(small). Optional: Hinako, but playing around with her ki so she alternates sizes during.
>>283986709>KodachiShit taste, worst girl
>>283987437Pretty sure Azusa beats her there.
>>283987805>not wanting to be adopted by Azusa
>>283988260She may be your first, but you sure as hell won't be her last. Unless you can knock her up but also protect your kids from her idiocy.
>>283949418>>283950532>Dinosaur gag mangaThat any good?
>>283984097Only reason I can think of is wanting a balance between the "important" episodes and the "filler".
>>283989401Yeah, it's probably this. They want a breather between the two Ukyo arcs and the Duck Mousse arc.
>>283989401>Bakusai Tenketsu isn't important Fuck crappa
>>283985247>They may or may not keep the "Akane hands Ranma off to Nabiki" arc. That's one of the few arcs Nabiki gets, so I'm sure they'll keep that.
>>283990880Between that and the railroad king/grifting arc, modern Nabikifags going in blind(no manga reading) are in for a rude awakening.
>>283991056What was Nabiki like in the old anime?
>>283991405Cool big sis, runs a school gambling ring, somewhat mercenary.Manga: All but implied that she sold Ranma into (sex) slavery as part of the billions of yen in debt during the grifting competition. Also whored him out to any student who paid, and whored him out to the other fiancees if Shampoo hadn't decided she preferred the 100% discount, when Akane passed Ranma to her as fiance.
>>283989697Ukyo love quadrangle is next episode though, isn't it?
>>283991684Yes.
>>283991631Sounds like it's faithful to the manga in spirit but doesn't show off Nabiki's full coolness. Can't wait for those arcs in the remake.
>>283988839I heard there was a notorious dinosaur gag manga but that it was graphic yaoi smutProbably not the same one
>>283991631In other words, best girl after Ukyo
>>283993604Good taste.
>>283970948Wait, are they getting rid of the wig? How is Ranma going to be unmasked by Ukyo, then?
>>283988839Looked it up, it's actually pretty amusing.
>>283995213I chuckled.
>>283988341Azusa's kids would be the kawaiiest and therefore she would treat them with the prestige they deserve
>>283949042I noticed the character designs are at maximum rounded and cute in this arc.
>>283950126Even Ranma knows Ukyo is the better fiancee.
>>283997917If he did he wouldn't be so happy to pair her with Ryoga in the haunted cave
>>283949071Ranma's line implies Genma doesn't get challenged a lot. How does he stay fighting fit then?
I hope they skip all the chapters with the principal and the loli teacher, they're all awful.
>>284000503No way. Ranma needs more comically oppressive authority figures in his life.
>>283949094>Actual filial concern >Followed by a smackdown
>>283986163>implying any of them other than Loliko would take the others' sloppy seconds
>>283949116Why was Ukyo hiding her face?
>>283949232Superior anime transfer student introduction
>>284000415Spares with Ranma all day.
>>284003063So neither one can ever best the other
>>283949232What does it mean about Ranma that he remembers a short friendship at age 6 so fondly that an okonomiyaki makes it all come rushing back ten years later?
>>283952512What's wrong with it?
>>284004576I'm not that anon so could be wrong, but I'm guessing they mean it's weird phrasing because Ucchan would just be an obvious way to refer to Ukyo in a friendly way from a Japanese perspective, same as Ranchan, and not really a "nickname."
>>284004727Yeah, it's like saying "Billy's name was really Bill. Billy was a nickname I came up with".The entire line is made up entirely by Viz too, Rumiko obviously didn't have Ranma explain why he called Ukyo Ucchan.
>>283997917He would run out from home if he married though
>>284004829Oh, I see. I think that was a fairly unobtrusive way to get the idea across to the English reader, though. What was the original line?
>>284005720"Ukyo-oyako to deatta no wa musha shugyo no tabi no tochuu datta", the first sentence in Viz's two-sentence translation is accurate enough.
>>284006531Huh, hadn't heard that term before.
>>284000260He has SOME honour. Since he's already engaged, he can't very well break it off even though technically, his father accepted Ukyo's dowry first.
>>284000503>hating on lolikoFuck you.
>>284007819No, he had promised Ranma to one of Soun's daughters before he even met Ukyo's dad >>283949909
>>284002202Standard cooking hygiene to have a mask, but it also helps filter out pepper and other food particulates from making you sneeze. Like when she threw the flour bomb smokescreen and exploding gunpowder pepper flakes.
>>284004431His stomach is the path to his heart.>ShampooStarted when he helped himself to her victory feast.>UkyoDelicious snacks/meals after a great sparring session.>KodachiIf not for her tendency to lace food with paralytic toxins, she could easily win him over there too.>AkaneSelf-explanatory.
>>284007872He may not see it that way, but legally speaking, if you accept the dowry, the engagement is considered legally binding. You need to pay it back at the bare minimum, for it to be annulled.
>>283949418>>283955428Yeah, this cover promotes the four different gag manga in this issue; Kyoryuu Carnival, Sports Tenkomori, Makoto-chan and the one-shot Takasaki Tamegoro Show (the debut work of Takeaki Momose)
>>284008593That would be Sabato Rokudo, father of the titular male lead of Rin-ne, Takahashi's first long-serial after Inuyasha and sort of a weird mishmash of a Ranma 1/2 spiritual successor with elements pilfered from Inuyasha.
Can anyone provide a single instance where “Poochan” or any of the other cancerous sluts people claim to prefer over Akane did anything useful for Ranma? Just one thing to justify the endless shilling for them?
>>284008005He also beat the stuffing out of all of them shortly after meeting them. Coincidence?
"[Q:] Female Ranma is often naked or in a swimsuit, and of course it's a kind of fan service, but the psychological depiction is still that of a boy, so it's not very erotic, or rather, it's a new form of "cuteness," isn't it?Takahashi: If female Ranma were to be shy or embarrassed, it would look weird, depending on how it was drawn. I made Ranma a type of character that puts a priority on winning the battle without worrying if her clothes come off or not. Moreover, depending on the enemy, she may use her "womanhood" as a weapon (laughs).">Ranma is blushing and turning shyly away from Kuno after getting naked in front of him while in female form>at this point the danger has passed and she's already gotten what she wanted from him, so it doesn't seem to be an act >she's just suddenly very self-conscious of her female body in front of this one specific guyWhat DID Takahashi mean by this?
>>284008475Oh, I didn't realize one of them was a one-shot.
>>284007514Kiima.
>>284009421Ranma is a gluttonous wife-beater confirmed.
>>284009401Ukyo helped Ranma train for the Hiryu Shoten Ha, she also helped him train when the Gambling King came back.Shampoo helped him when he was hit in the Cat Tongue point, she told him about the pills to cure it, when Ranma asked for her help to fight against Cologne she accepted and didn't question it.All in all, Shampoo and Ukyo are occasionally helpful. Kodachi is the odd one, since she's just insane and I don't think Ranma ever held a normal conversation with her.
>>284009462When there's no fight, he's got nothing else going on, so he's more prone to some modesty. Not much though, obviously.
>>284009614>Ukyo helped Ranma train for the Hiryu Shoten HaNo Cologne, Genma and Ryoga did that. She just made them some food.>she also helped him train when the Gambling King came backHer training was useless so Ranma just covered up his face. He never improved in any way.>Shampoo helped him when he was hit in the Cat Tongue point, she told him about the pills to cure it, when Ranma asked for her help to fight against Cologne she accepted and didn't question it.All she did was tell him Cologne had the pill. She did absolutely nothing to actually help him get it, beside being used by Ranma (and Akane) to trigger the Neko Ken
>>284009820>She just made them some food.You die without food
>>284009272Thanks. Also what the hell, I tried reading Rin-ne when that storytime started but broke off because of how boring it was, looks like it took some twists.
>>284009401You are not Ranma. You are definitely not Ranma.
>>284009462Kuno brings out the girlishness in Ranma
>>284001726Nothing crazy about martial arts honor vendettas. Happosai's pursuit is crazier but Ranma still loves him deep down inside.
>>283950148Just marry them both you retard, you know you want to.
>>284010912Ranma's monogamous as they come, Akane's the one with repressed polygamous fantasies
>>284009820>>284009889She also participated with Genma(and later Akane) in the exercise when he was training to have as little embarrassment as possible(cold heart).
>>284011205Ok, just marry Ukyo then.
>>284011205>Rumiko's self-insert has cuckquean fantasiesWhat did she mean by this?
>>284009889If Akane is cooking, you die WITH food.
>>284013538Rude.
>>284013538Dying with an empty stomach either way.
>>284010187>KunoDon't you mean Ryoga?
>>283995213What's going on here? Aside from the T-rex eating the other dino?
>>284015150my guess would be the t-rex is a dick to everyone and the other dino says something like you just need a friend or some shit and then gets eaten
>>284014478>>283984327
>>284015227Yeah. >Tyranno-kun doesn't have any friends. >"Aw, he needs a friend" >"Hey, I'll be your friend" >Tyranno-kun doesn't have any friends.
>>284015275Nobody really respects Kuno though.
>>284015793Well, they DID. You don't get to be a sports team captain without SOME charisma. And just by wealth alone, they respected him.
>>284014478Ryoga tooKuno did it first though
>>284015812Skill and strength. He was acknowledged as the strongest in the school until Ranma beat him.
post scenes where Kuno mindrape girl Ranma
>>283948949
>>284015793The Furinkan boys respect him as the greatest fighter AND the greatest pervert!
>>284009462S-So Ranma isn't actually a whore?
>>284009462>hiding nipplessince when Ranma's ashamed showing her tits
>>284017846Either A. Ranma knows Kuno thinks he's a 100% girl so that's different from being naked in front of randos around town who all know the drill by now orB. Ranma is repressing his body's attraction to Kuno like >>283984115>>283984396 said
>>284018284Ranma is okay with being seen as a sex object, but a lot less okay with being actively pursued as a girlfriend. Kuno creeps him the fuck out.
>>284017209Didn't they also try to bury him alive with Happosai and the principal?
>>284019217>Ranma is okay with being seen as a sex object, but a lot less okay with being actively pursued as a girlfriend.You know, that might be true. Ranma was a LOT more creeped out by Tsubasa falling in love with him than by actual attempted rape by Densuke. Though maybe that's just homophobia. Were there other characters who fell in love (not just lust) with fem Ranma? Picolet Chardin is kind of a gray area because it's an arranged-marriage deal.
>>284020674That was much later though. He used to command at least a little respect in the school, before the foul demon Saotome broke his aura of invincibility.
>>284017519That's right, Ranma is a girl so oblivious she doesn't even realize her nudity is sexy. That's the opposite of a whore, right? What's the word for this?
Fuck ShampooFuck UkyoFuck NabikiFuck Kodachi
>>284021844Ranma, we know it's you
>>284020795By beating him as a male or by beating him with the pussy as a female?
>>284012819Rumiko's self-insert is actually Soun >"Which character has the closest way of thinking and personality to yours?>Takahashi: I think inside Urusei Yatsura no one fits that. In Ranma 1/2, I would say Akane´s father. I can follow his way of thinking, I understand him very well. I think he is the closest one. In Maison Ikkoku, the two protagonists. That bickering is absolutely typical of me."
>kodachi just wants to rape ranma>Shampoo is motivated by her clan's tradition >Akane fantasizes about getting cucked>Ukyo fantasizes about having trad familyHmm i wonder why Rumiko has such shit tastes in women
>>284023335>kodachi is a top tier mistress domme>shampoo is a top tier warrior romantic>akane is a top tier tsundere girl next door>ukyo is a top tier bro and self-made woman*wonder why anon has
You think Ranma is a good/well-written protagonist and Akane a good/well-written heroine?
>>284023716Yes. They're funny, interesting, bounce well off the other characters and Rumiko is a good otaku writer who doesn't worry about "cringe".
>>283966125Ukyo's voice is still pretty girlish in the remake, but at least the delivery is somewhat anime-shota-like so it's better than the '89 anime from what I saw of it.
it's here
Fun fact: it takes Akane 250 chapters to say that Ranma is her fiancé, while Ranma calls her his fiancée like in 10 chapters or something.
>>284025213Still makes me wonder why they didn't hire a voice actress that believably sounds like a guy. Or a tomboy at least. No one that watched the anime thought for one second that Ukyo isn't a girl. Her voice is way too feminine. Same goes for female Ranma. There are plenty of anime characters who are voiced by woman and it still works.
>>284026168Traditional maiden who doesn't make the first move, confirmed
>>284026448I guess the remake might have wanted to not depart too far from the old performance, since they know nostalgiafags are their main audience. As for the old anime, no idea. Maybe they thought it wasn't supposed to be a surprise to the viewers? Or were afraid waifufags would check out if Ukyo looked AND sounded like a guy?
>>284022484Male. Akane kicked Kuno's ass on the regular but those don't count because she's a girl.
>>284026448>>284026960>Or were afraid waifufags would check out if Ukyo looked AND sounded like a guy?Might just be this, like how Ranma as a girl clearly sounds female as well as looks it, but in the beginning of the story the Tendos seem to believe she's a guy when meeting her until realizing she has boobs. Like yeah I realize they were expecting a guy to show up, but it's still a little weird in the anime adaptations when they keep believing it after hearing Ranma obviously sounding like a girl
>>284026960The first kyo episode in the original anime is called "Ranma Gets Another Fiancee", so they were 100% assuming viewers knew about Ukyo from the manga at least there.
>>284025797Oh good the wig is still there.Too bad the disheveling of clothes will probably be censored...
>>284027157In the manga it comes across like Soun is too deliriously happy to pay attention and the daughters are just bemused by the whole panda thing and waiting to see what would happen.
>>284026448>>284025213I don't know, I thought she seemed believably like a young boy.
This has me wondering, was Ukyo (as written by Takahashi) trying to pass as male, female or ambiguous when she first showed up at Furinkan High >>283949232? I mean, you would think continuing to wear a gakuran and chest bindings would mean "please assume I'm male". But Ukyo is furious at Ranma calling her a guy >>283949399 even when they're surrounded by other people.
>>284029467Maybe Ukyo was trying to pass as male, but didn't know that RANMA didn't know she was female? Like she believed Ranma rejected her in the past while knowing that she was a girl and that she was engaged to him
>>284029598She definitely started out thinking Ranma knew she was female and engaged to him, since Ranma questioning why she wanted to come with him surprises her and she exclaims "! Ranma...you really don't know?" >>283949371Right after that, Ranma calls her a man >>283949371 and Ukyo apparently interprets that as "I reject you as a woman (as a fiancee)", so she reacts with outrage. >>283949399But I mean, if she was actively trying to pass as male, then for all she knew Ranma was just going along with her wishes by calling her a man. Respecting her gender presentation, as they call it these days.And then, if she wasn't trying to pass as male, why the gakuran and chest binding? Ripped wedding dress might get the point across better.
>>284029170Same, but I'd expect that voice from a middle school boy character, not a high school boy character.
>>283949312Viz fucks up by having Ranma use "he" here. It's clear from the context that this >>283949371 is where Ukyo first realizes Ranma thinks she's a boy.
>>284031523I'm pretty sure she still doesn't realize it at that point. On the next page she takes Ranma referring to her as a man as an expression of how he "feels" about her, not as him literally thinking she's a man. But yeah, the Viz pronoun doesn't make sense there.
According to the Netfix subs>Girl 1: The new guy’s cute.>Girl 2: Totally!Remake added girls lusting over Ukyo. Good. Almost makes up for cutting the /u/ dialogues earlier.
>>284027060I don't think Kuno simped out for Akane quite as hard.
>>284032961>>284027060Kuno prefers when they fight back. It's why he doesn't care for Nabiki.
>>284029467She says that she swore off romance, so she was probably doing it to avoid male attention.
>>284033073>tried to avoid male attention>ended up getting the attention of the cutest male of allGood plan
I see a lot of discussion about the psychological implications of Ranma's gender bending, is it worth reading the manga for that stuff because I find it really interesting?
>>284033174If you want explicit serious academic discussion of psychological issues, don't bother, it's the opposite of that. If you want to see consistently entertaining hijinks that as a side effect make you marvel about how Ranma got from to refusing to wear girls' clothes to teaching his lookalike to slut it up for male attention, and wonder about all his unspoken mental complexes, then 100% worth it.Basically if you find Bugs Bunny seducing Elmer Fudd in drag psychologically interesting like I do then yes.
>>284033130She should've gone for it desu
>>284033073>Shampoo mostly wears trousers in Amazon village flashbacks>meets Ranma and starts pursuing him>starts wearing short tight dresses most of the time>Ukyo crossdresses because she swore off femininity/romance>meets Ranma and starts pursuing him>keeps on crossdressingAhem
>>284034159>preferring a slut over a loving and devoted wife
>>284034125>slut who can't be faithful to one wife for more than a chapter>captcha: tntokj
>>284034394They're both loving and devoted wives, but that's not what I meant.
Ranma says "sorry, I have a girl I like" in the original, in Viz's translation he "says "I have a fiancee, can't accept your gift" or something like that. I like Viz's version better.
>>284035862>Ranma says "sorry, I have a girl I like" in the originalHuh. So is Ranma okay with setting aside his tsun-pride when it's Gosunkugi? Or is he just parroting a standard line and not even thinking of Akane when he says "a girl"? >in Viz's translation he "says "I have a fiancee, can't accept your gift" or something like that. I like Viz's version better.Me too, it matches the excuse he used with Kodachi.
>>284035947It's just a generic rejection line, yeah.
Anyone else didn't like the final arc? Idk I thought it was lame. Wouldn't be too sad if they don't animate it.
>>284036351They're definitely animating it unless the show gets unexpectedly canceled, but yeah I never liked it much either. I don't really care about Saffron as a villain/character and even as someone who's not much of an Akane fan, turning her into a literal doll for a huge chunk of it feels like a lame thing to do to the character. I get it's about saving her but you'd kinda want/expect her to play a bigger role when this is the last thing you'll see in the series, and in general it's disappointing how her role literally is to constantly need saving by Ranma. I feel like it almost says something when even I as a borderline hater feel like she gets done dirty a little narratively.I like the Herb arc though. I really want to see girl Herb
>>284036351Mappa fixed Attack on Titan ending, they sure will fix Ranmas(if they bother animating until the end)
>>284036494>it's disappointing how her role literally is to constantly need saving by RanmaTo clarify since this might be taken the wrong way: I mean sometimes it feels like the manga sets up situations where it looks like Akane's going to participate more in a particular story arc, and then something happens that takes her out or switches focus so that it's about Ranma anyway. First thing that comes to mind besides the finale arc is the first Kodachi arc, where it's like they bother to set up a whole conflict between Akane and Kodachi but it doesn't even matter because it's Ranma fighting her anyway. And that makes sense, because Ranma met Kodachi first and he's the title character, but it's a little weird how sometimes it feels like the manga has a routine of>tease the possibility of Akane doing something more substantial in a story arc>lol nvm, it's all up to Ranma, as usualThis isn't the reason I'm not much into Akane, but I feel like her doing a little more in certain storylines could have helped.
Saw this art. >>284036494>>284036641She saves him as the doll though. And the fact that she got into the dried out predicament was due to her trying to save him after escaping. I dunno, I feel she contributed more than people say.
>>284036494>>284036641Second time she gets dolled, btw. First being the resort with the cursed doll switching places with her. As far as the final arc, I just want this old bird animated, ideally before I die or go blind.
>>284036762>I feel she contributed more than people sayYeah, I don't want it to sound like I'm saying only participating in a big action scene matters, and I get it's important too that Akane provides support or motivation at different times throughout the series. I think it's just a specific kind of disappointment where a story like the gymnastics arc seems to be leading up to her doing more and then swerves away.Maybe it's just that her being a doll for those chapters makes her feel a little less present somehow
https://x.com/cynthiapve/status/1993382010212209055Here's a video of the Ranma fanbook, apparently it has stats for the characters and Happosai has max on all of them.I'm curious about Cologne's stats.
>>284037596I feel like people overwank Cologne. Happosai may be a broken, imba pervert, but he definitely has some level of martial arts savant/genius near or on par to Ranma's, recognising the opening moves of the Hiryushotenha after just one encounter with it over a century ago.
>>284036762>artCute but did Ranma get a bbl or what happened?
>>284037959I thought it was just an awkward representation of her being in seiza, so she was actually sitting on her ankles or similar.
>>283949890Why do people dislike Akane? Seriously she is so funny. I love how she deals with the bullshit around her.
>>284039494Punching people, then figuring out if they deserved it?
>>284039494Speaking in the third person won't fool anyone into thinking you're someone else, Akane.
>>284040179Yes, they deserve it. Akane is nice. She doesn't hit people for no reason and if she does it's for comedy purpose.
>>284031877Look at the bright side: at least it wasn't "they".
>>284039494Only thing I dislike about her is that she gets less stacy-cute and more goofy as the manga goes on. Then again so does male Ranma.
>>284040639What the hell is "stacy-cute" and wdym goofy.
>>284040639Also male and female Ranma are the same character btw
>>284040801In the early chapters it's easy to see why she's surrounded by simps, she's presented as cute, friendly and likeable but also a bit hot-girl-unobtainable.Later on she's still cute and friendly but the tone of her writing is more goofy (I mean that the way it usually means) so it's more "wacky sitcom heroine" and less "popular girl goddess to simp for".
>>284036762Cute. Hopefully the censors settle for toning it down to this and don't cut it altogether.
>>284026168Thats why shes worst girl
>>284037596Probably the same stats we got from the wideban reprints. "Canon" but they clearly don't matter to Rumiko.
>>283949620My fucking sides. The remake expansion of this one throwaway line from a peanut gallery waifu is unironically the best remake-original content to date.
>>284042580The dub version. Pretty heartwarming that even in year of our lord 2025, a Netflix dub script writer went fuck it, let's cater to perverts. Translation comparison >Manga (Viz)>Ranma's making me hungry!>Remake (Netflix subs)>Ranma looks yummy.>He'd go well with mayo.>Remake (Netflix dub)>Ranma looks really delicious.>I'd like to put some mayo on him.
>>284042666I could have sworn it was dudes back in the day saying "Wow, Ranma smells delicious.", Satan. Maybe it was the 89 anime taking liberties?
>>284036762How high are the chances of Mappa including this scene?
>>284042822The '89 anime replaces that entire panel with a lengthy comment from Genma that's basically the same joke.
>>284044346The subs on my dl have Genma talking about the smell of the food, though, so there's no dirty or incest overtone, sadly.
>>283961027>Viz: ...I'll be nice and not settle this in such a dangerous place.>Netflix sub: ...so I'll spare you from defeat in such a dangerous arena.>Netflix dub: ...I'll do you a favor and spare you the embarrassment of being beaten up by me in such a public space as this.I guess the Viz/sub translation is the right one? Like "I could do you REAL damage with your own hot plate arena", which is actually kind of a compliment to Ukyo's design skills.
>>284045154Yeah, "konna bussou na toko". No idea what the fuck the dub writers are on about.
>>284043664It's definitely not getting in in its entirety. They cut the scene of Kuno imagining Ranma doing this to the pigtail girl.
>>284045339Thanks, grateful anons like you are around to spoonfeed us EOPs.
>>283949646I prefer Ranma's manga and remake facial expression for this scene. The old anime has Ranma looking cocky, but the OG "I've already put up with a lot of your shit for the sake of our friendship" face feels more personal to the situation.Related, Ranma must like Akane and Ryoga a whole lot because he puts up with way more beatdowns for the sake of *their* friendships.
>>284033073You may be onto something. I went back to check, and both the '89 and reboot animes have Ukyo start using a higher-pitched voice at the point when Ranma calls her cute. >>283950104I wonder if either anime consulted Takahashi about it.Also, Nazuka Kaori does a really good Tsuru Hitomi impression.
>>284048136Holy shit that's a terrible translation. The line is the exact same as in the manga/remake.
>>284049027Meant for >>284047646
>>284049055Sometimes the subs for the old anime can be weird; I think there are a few different varieties. I see screenshots of the subs with the weird font as shown here >>284047646 a lot, but never encountered them in the wild.
>>284049397It's the same translation as the one I have in my bluray rips.
>>284049437That's interesting; I remember watching one episode with subs on one site and then looking the same episode up on a different site for some reason, and the subs for both were different. I couldn't tell which was the official one, or if both were and one had an older version with different subs
>>284049397I think it's a fansub, they're labeled as Refha.
>>284049626Would make more sense considering how incorrect the translation is. What the fuck is the point of fansubbing an already subbed show if your translation skills are this bad anyway?
>>284049730What's the best subtitle for the 1989 anime, anyone know?
>>284049730Official translations aren't doing better these days. Sometimes I wonder if the cratering of both official and fan translations all around is meant to groom us to welcome the takeover of the AI overlords.
>>284050691The Netflix subs >>284045154 are a lot better than >>284047646
>>284049626So the official subs are different?
>>284052126No idea, but I'd like to know if they're better.
>Admittedly, Kuno has also tried to murder people so... Yeah, I need a memory refresher on this one.
Dub-original line was funny but felt kind of anachronistic. Did anyone know what gluten was in the early 90s?
>>283949870>Since when...?What did Ukyo think Ranma was asking here?
>>284054303"Since when have you become able to turn into a girl?"Ranma thinks Ukyo fell into the same spring he did, that's why he tries the hot water.
>>284054696Ukyo doesn't know about the spring though. So what does she think he meant?
>>284052546Guess sometimes when he's attacking people he acts like he's trying to kill them or says something implying it, like a lot of the Ranma cast really. Doubt it's ever really played as that serious though because he's not usually competent enough to come close to succeeding.
>>284050967Which is better overall: Netflix JP-EN subtitles or EN dubtitles?
>>284055255Not knowing about the spring just makes the question sound completely insane. That's why she reacts the way she does.
>>284056387Well, it could be read relatively reasonably as>Since when did you start growing boobs?>Since when did you get your sex change operation?
>>284057383Well yeah. Still sounds like an insane question to someone who was always a girl.
>>284048136Hiromi*Also, reverse traps cracking their composure with girly voices is top tier.
>>284053521Yes. Learned about it in middle school at the time.
>>284054303>>284054696>>284055255>>284056387>>284057383>>284057697It would be better to think of it as her just repeating his question back because she's at a loss for words/can't keep up with his train of thought. I'm guessing the Japanese was something like 何時(what time/at what time/when), so she's just repeating the first two syllables because she's confused.
>>284058579It's "itsu kara", so literally "since when".
except for the actually joke at the end, the translation is accurate.He does ask "since when" because he thinks Ukyo fell in the Jusenkyo spring too, which just confuses Ukyo, "what do you mean since when?"
>>284058795I meant "actually funny joke"That was a good one Viz
>>284058403I noticed Tsuru's voice briefly sliding into feminine at points before going back to boyish. Not sure if that was intentional or unintentional.
>>284058758>>284058795Ah, didn't have the raws handy, but pretty much correct besides the words used.>>284059416Gotta see when she cracks. If it's any time he complimented her, or otherwise caused her to doki, it's a nice touch.
>>284059606>Gotta see when she cracks. If it's any time he complimented her, or otherwise caused her to doki, it's a nice touch.After that happens she's more consistently girlish. Earlier in the episode, like in the classroom, she's mostly boyish but occasionally you get a hint of feminine mannerisms.
>>284056367The subtitles are more accurate as a whole despite their ridiculous insistence on hyperlocalizing certain things the dub script leaves alone.So you get the annoying choice between one set of subtitles that change shit that's super noticable to everyone, like "localizing" all family names to the character's first name, "kuso-oyaji" to "baldy" and whatnot, and another set of subtitles where this kind of stuff matches the spoken dialogue better, but which also has a bunch of complete rewrites like >>284045154 that you probably won't notice if you need subtitles.tldr they're both shit and machine translated nip captions are unironically far superior to both.
>>284061149Thanks. Guess I'll keep watching both in the hope that at least this way one will be right when the other's wrong.
>>284045154I don't understand how shit like this gets a pass. In any real translation job, that "public space" wording would get noted as an obvious mistranslation and error, but for some reason it's treated as acceptable in "localizations" like this? Despite dubfags getting upset if told they didn't watch the REAL show?
>>284061998Ranma fans for some reason seem to believe that the dub/sub of the new anime is automatically the best and most accurate translation possible because its new, and any time another translation differs from it, that one must automatically be wrong. Sometimes it feels like /a/ is the only place actually commenting on this kind of stuff.I think the reason for this happening on the production side might have to do with how it seems like the dub and maybe subs are handled by two separate groups of people, one who handles the translation from Japanese to English and then a different group who doesn't necessarily speak/understand Japanese and so localizes that English translation further into colloquial English based on their own guess of what that translation must mean. The meaning sometimes gets distorted along the way.To be fair the manga was translated/localized like this too back in the '90s, and has some stuff translated weirdly/wrongly, but sometimes the new anime's translation messes up stuff the manga's translation got right.
>>284061998Dubfags are getting like 6th-hand experience though. "First-hand" would be the raws(technically second-hand, since it has to pass the publisher's editor), then JP-EN translator(fan/scanlation is usually here), then localiser/editor(the last line for fan/unofficial, usually higher-quality groups, as the translator may be ESL), then a final editor/wrong-think approval check(modern western official translations), then the dubbing artist/voice director's own interpretation of how the line should be read aloud. It's equivalent to being the bacteria that breaks down the excrement from a dung beetle that ate the shit of a human who finished drinking kopi luwak from the dung of a civet cat.
God I love this series
>>284062213The Viz manga translation is way more accurate than the nu-dub though.
https://x.com/ranma_pr/status/1993968051579179447Next episode preview is here, looks good
>>284064726I like that she still has that cleavage line(even if it's a little too high to be possible)
>>284064726It looks actually good. And Ranma is wearing that wig, nice. I hope the whole episode won't disappoint.
>>284064726Ukyo sex
>>284064726They'll censor the rape scene, right?
>>284066576100%
>>284066706I still have hopium running through my veins, which isn't good for my future disappointment. Please help me by explaining in as much detail as possible why it will be censored.
>>284064726Whose hands are those?
>>284067673Ranma and Ryoga I think.
>>284067673>>284067976Yup, it's Ranma messing with Ryoga
>>284067673
>>284068131
>>284064726Got a link that doesn't require an account?
>>284068242>shirtless UkyoSEX
>>284068269
>>284068242...how does Akane STILL not figure out Ryoga has a crush on her during this?
>>284069430Because she is dumb as a brick, that's why
>>284069430She definitely knows Ryoga has a crush on her since she's not shocked to see him at the "date" even after she figures out it's a date, and he tells her to her face he wants to go on a date with her. There are other moments in the story too.
>>284069541No, she's convinced Ukyo is trying to pair them up and that Ryoga isn't actually interested.
>>284068652Arigatou anon>>284067673Why did they use such a dark filter over the hand holding scene?
>>284068652Where was this released?
>>283949822>>283950532Fuck it, this one seriously deserves some more attention >>284071247
>>284071163Twitter.
>>284068131In the manga I think Ranma already flirted with Ryoga twice in the Japanese nannichuan arc? For the remakeonlies it'll be the first time.
What the fuck is wrong with Rumiko? Why weren't they endgame?
>>284073516Because Ryoga deserves the worst. Here >>284065005 Ranma puts Ukyo's chest on full display to prove to Ryoga that she is a girl and that he should stop fighting her, just for him to try hitting her again 3 pages later. He doesn't hold back from beating up Ranma in his female form either (don't care if Ranma isn't an actual girl, it's still a female body, thus weaker and more fragile than a male one)Not to mention the whole P-chan act, where he sleeps with Akane in one bed, that shameless pervert. And, to top it off, he is a two-timing scum, trying to fuck two girls literally at the same time in his own home, and one of them is his fucking GIRLFRIEND.But no, everyone talks about how cute and shy and funny Ryoga is.
>>284073516Ryoga/Ukyo triggers in me the bile-churning deep-rooted disgust that I imagine normalfags feel when they see the lewding of their heckin wholesome 2D comfort characters. Yet I have to take an L because Takahashi admitted in the new fanbook that she thought about doing it. >>283873154>>Someone asked about Ukyo and Ryouga giving off good vibes together. Takahashi says she thought about it but ultimately didn’t act on it because she couldn’t think of a way to get them together naturally and didn’t want to force it.I can't even be surprised because a few years ago, she admitted she tried to pair up Nabiki and Kuno. It's like every pairing I thought was a braindead pair-the-spares by lazy shippers somehow retroactively wormed its way into Rumiko's brain.
>>284073920Ok Ranma, we get it. Now take your med already.
>>284073516These characters only exist to support and establish Rankane. They have no lives outside of Rankane including no authentic romantic life. That’s why it’s unnatural to pair them with anyone or anything other than their own delusions (and why their canon partners fall flat)
>>284074207You mean Bizarro Ranma, right? Akane haters meme about Ranma being abused by her, but Ranma's behavior with Akane is wifebeater tier compared to the sheer amount of assholery Ranma happily accepts from Ryoga, who he doesn't even have the excuse of wanting to fuck.
>>284074346Elaborate way to say "I hate Rumiko and won't admit she's a good writer", anon.
>>284073920>Ryoga deserves the worstCorrect>how cute and shy and funny Ryoga is.I mean, that's just factual
>>284074428Ranma pretended to be Ryoga’s sister and then ran away essentially simulating her death. Name one thing Ryoga did to Ranma worse than that.
>>284074648He tried to rape him
>>284074648>essentially simulating her deathI don't recall this ever happened.
>>284074648How about being all-in on Mousse's plan to steal the Locking Ladle, use it to cure themselves by locking themselves in human form, and then destroy it and abandon Ranma so Ranma would be trapped as a girl forever?Or how about the time he accidentally hit Ranma with a magical fishing pole that made Ranma fall in love with him, so his immediate response was to take Ranma out into the woods, dig him a grave, and try to kill him?Or how about when Ryoga thought the Bakusai Tenketsu was a Hokuto Shinken style killing blow strike and he kept trying to use it on Ranma, being furious when Cologne finally told him that the move was NOT an instant-death touch attack after he lost?Frankly, Ryoga helping Ranma out in the Hiryu Shoten Ha was an anomaly in his being an absolute cunt, and was clearly only done because if Takahashi had given in to logic and let Shampoo help Ranma out instead of writing her out of the story, fans would have started being much more sympathetic to Shampoo.
>>284073516Because Ukyo deserved better than a pathetic, fragile-egoed emotionally unstable unreliable loser like Ryoga. Hell, *Mousse* would have been a better husbando for Ukyo than Ryoga.Also, what >>284073920 said.
>>284074648>Name one thing Ryoga did to Ranma worse than thatHe literally tried to kill him off for real in the fishing pole of love arc. I think it couldn't get worse than that.
>>284075706Fucking hell, he is even worse than I thought. Why do people like Ryoga again? I'm surprised Ranma puts up with all of his bullshit.
>>284075706Ranma got Ryoga cursed in the first place and as a result he was almost eaten multiple times. So the murder counter evens out.
>>284075952Can't have murder without intent, anon.
>>284074978>drags a guy into some bushes and starts talking about how much he loves him and is his fiancée>implying this isn’t consent
>>284075902>Why do people like Ryoga again?Honestly, I haven't seen Ryoga getting the virulent "suck this character's dick and pretend they did nothing wrong or I'll murder you" kind of "liking" in the last decade. Those types of fans mostly go for nu-media these days, anyway. But back in the angelfire days, I think the militant Ryoga fans were a mix of Ranma dislikers who wanted a chad to stomp him and fuck the girls Ranma wouldn't (...don't ask me why they picked RYOGA for this) and people who thought Rumiko making him suffer all the time meant he was supposed to be some kind of tortured Byronic hero. This is all observation from a distance, though.
>>284075985How about during the Mushrooms arc Ranma wanted to ditch a shota Ryoga and get him lost while he was completely vulnerable. He could have been sex trafficked by Kodachi for all Ranma cared
>>284075902They like him because he’s cute. That guy who is hating is a Shampoofag. Shampoo also tries to kill people, also sneaks into peoples beds/harasses them without their consent and is guilty of using magic items to compel love from people without their consent. So where is his moralfagging there? At least Ryoga is nice to people other than Ranma. Shampoo treats Mousse like absolute garbage
>>284075747But the whole arc was hilarious af and not something to be taken seriously.
>>284075902We don't evaluate whether we like a character based on morality in a gag manga.
>>284076576Only coomers, filthy otaku and mentally ill deviants ever hated Akane. Most fans (especially biological women) have always loved Akane. She is the heart of the series
Ryoga like Shampoo is a disgusting cretin and his fanbase is also similarly mentally ill with a notable caveat. That is, unfortunately there are many unthinking Akane enjoyers who are lenient on him when they should rightfully castigate him alongside the rest of the garbage. A firm stance from the healthy and tax paying segment of the Ranma fanbase is needed
>>284076271Mousse has been demanding Shampoo love him back since they were kids, followed her all the way to another country, and won't go away. No shit Shampoo doesn't love him, he's basically her version of Tatewaki Kuno.
>>284077472Fujos who have had their brains destroyed are exactly the same sort of lowlives who use the term “RanRyo” without any shame. They are worse than the waifu animals because at least biology is on their side if nothing else. Just like with the other coomers they have zero literacy and think something which is a joke is actually a real component of the story. These people can never forgive Takahashi for making a Rankane story for normal people. They spam their “art” everywhere and disgust everyone around them. Some of them even want to sully Rankane and turn it into some sort polyamorous arrangement or even one including bestiality. These people are so talented at being degenerates that I wonder how there is any mental illness left for the other Rankane haters
>>284077472They literally have the best dynamic despite what Ryogacritics, Akanefags and Shampoofags say, so yes.
>>284078331>this whole postI suggest you to take your meds. NOW.
The principal speaks randomly in English, I remember in the Viz version he spoke in hawaiian or something, and I had no idea what he was saying. Couldn't be helped I guess.
>>284077608>followed her all the way to another country, and won't go away. No shit Shampoo doesn't love him, he's basically her version of Shampoo
>>284079470>the Viz version he spoke in hawaiian or somethingNow that was what localization should be.
>>284078470they're baiting a bait post
>>284068242Why is the bust of Ranma's shirt pointed like that - ohhh
>>284067673Why is this shot so hot
>>284069647That was later, because Ryoga refused to be alone with her (not very date-like behavior). At first she's surprised Ukyo set her up on a date, but she's not surprised that it's with Ryoga.
>>284079470Much like with his English lines, you could sort of gleam the terms from context. >>284080180I thought it was one of the better aspects of VIZ's translation for sure.
>>284001726>chased him for years >tried to kill him>came onto him aggressively (when he was in disguise)By your logic Ranma shouldn't like Ryoga.
>>284079922The big difference is that Shampoo doesn't have a choice. She got cursed at Jusenkyo for coming back without Ranma once. You really think there wouldn't be even worse punishments for her if she did it a second time? Even if she DIDN'T like Ranma, she is still honor-bound to marry him, and she's from a culture where honor is still seen as something worth killing and dying for.In contrast, Mousse is just a guy who decided he wanted Shampoo and has been demanding she give in to him for over a decade.>>284081217Her skills at cooking, sewing and cleaning suck, yeah, but Akane also loves to dress up in girlish clothing and has a lot of very traditional "feminine" traits, such as being scared of ghosts.
>>284082001It's kind of, yeah, with Ranma calling her unfeminine and her lack of cooking skills or interest in dating boys being pointed out. But on the other hand there's also plenty of emphasis on her stereotypically girly side, like dreaming about playing romantic heroine Juliet since she was a little girl. And short hair aside, she's depicted in dresses and skirts more often than pants. With Akane I feel like the "unfeminine" thing is more "exaggerated in-universe stereotype" than intentional for the reader. It doesn't go as far as Ukyo, much less Ryuunosuke.
>>284076065What kind of girl do you think he is?
>>284075706>Or how about when Ryoga thought the Bakusai Tenketsu was a Hokuto Shinken style killing blow strike and he kept trying to use it on Ranma, being furious when Cologne finally told him that the move was NOT an instant-death touch attack after he lost?Pretty sure he technically "won" that one since he landed it on Ranma, and the confusion of it NOT working cost him the match proper.
>>284082582A shameless whore?
Why is Ryouga such a rapist?
This arc is very interesting because it establishes to Akane that Ryouga likes her, so from this point Akane deliberately feigns ignorance of his feelings. Also how did Ranma's plan to save her go? "Hey take off your clothes and give to me, and I'll give you mine?" How did that even go?
>>284085498I don't know how Ranma initially brought up the subject, but I imagine them standing somewhere with their backs to each another and throwing their clothes to one another that way as they take them off. Akane probably was willing to go along with anything he said at that point maybe
>>284085498>This arc is very interesting because it establishes to Akane that Ryouga likes her, so from this point Akane deliberately feigns ignorance of his feelings.I mean, you'd think that'd be the case, but a lot of later stories imply that, somehow, Akane is just genuinely still ignorant, like when she's baffled why her friend-zoning him in the Shishi Hokodan arc makes him sadder than ever. Maybe she just tells herself that Ryoga's antics were all due to Shampoo messing with his head, and he wouldn't "normally" be interested in her?
>>284085737Pretty much how I read it. She interprets it as a fluke. A big of bad headspace he got into as a lonely guy. >>284085343Just hugs.
>>284085343it's actually shocking how bad it is when you put all the scenes together and how it contrasts with the "blushing innocent uwuu" thing he's got going on otherwisehe also just happens to have sleeping powder handy during the fishing pole arc for some reason he'll probably be in jail by the age of 20 and will be sharing a cell with Kuno
>>284086146that whole thing is hilarious to me ever since i found out women write r*pe romance and then found out i have a thing for femdom.
>>284086146By the age of 20 Ranma (female) will be sharing a bed with Kuno
>>284086306>still no crackfic where ranma is doubly married to the kunos but actually not the biological parent of any of the inbred kids
>>284086146>it's actually shocking how bad it is when you put all the scenes togetherKeep them coming pls>and how it contrasts with the "blushing innocent uwuu" thing he's got going on otherwiseThe contrast is what makes it...shocking? intriguing? cute? hot? dunno
>>284089114You're assuming they can catch Happosai or keep him there. The little rat man would probably just squeeze through a hole/between bars where the other two can't(Ryoga could in pig form/bakusai tenketsu out, but his sense of honor would likely keep him there).
>>284086146Look at that grin as he cuts up fem Ranma's top over her tits. Even the 89 anime censored this.
>>283949139Honestly, Genma and Ranma probably spend a lot of father-son time offscreen. Ranma's body language is definitely comfy.
>>284089637Yeah, they do train together a lot.
Last 3 episodes preview images, so they are doing the Mousse return arc in 2 episodes?
>>284089526And why did CRAPPA censor this? What's wrong with it?
>>284089935Duckane
>>284089935That's what I expected. It's 5 chapters, a bit too much for a single episode.
>>284090425Both animes censored it, both animes censored Kuno imagining Ranma raping Ranma. Even in 1989 the suits wanted Ranma pure and unsullied, I guess.
>>284090425They hate anything even remotely associated with nipples or Ryoran
>>283949207>example #49305 of why chadfags who want male Ranma to fuck around are on copium
>>284073516>Why weren't they endgame?ryoga is fucking shit . That's why
>>284091627>both animes censored Kuno imagining Ranma raping Ranma.He still imagined it in the '89 anime, they just changed it from us seeing it in his mind to him putting on a puppet show for us (which is fucking hilarious and an absolute improvement)
>>284092181True, but it came across as a lot less sexual that way.
>>284092027Ranma is a female fantasy: he is hyper desirable, asexual and loyal to one woman all at the same time. In real life you get Kuno and Ryoga. Sorry honey
>>284092608>In real life you get Kuno and Ryoga.Wow, anon, what did I do to deserve this gift?
>>283949287>Comin' fer another free meal, eh?! Little punk.So does Ucchan have a rough way of talking in the original nip, or is this just a localization of her Kansai-ben?
>>284094591Yeah, she does speak in kansai accent, but the Viz translation almost never tries to reflect she has an accent.
>>284094591Bit of both in this case. The original here is "Onore, mata tadagui ni kiyotta na!", the translation is pretty on point in every way. She normally doesn't talk this rudely, but she obviously always talks with a thick dialect Viz just ignores completely.
>>283963232Genma deserved the beatings.>>284095016Yeah, that's why I wondered why flashback loli Ukyo was talking like a hick thug. Maybe the translators started out wanting to localize her dialect but then dropped the idea?
>>284095016That's so dumb, it's not difficult to write a quick and dirty "hey this character has a different dialect than the others" character trait.
>>284094980>He tries to get Shampoo to fall back in love with him when he thinks she lost her attraction to himRanma is one of my favorite characters and even I gotta admit this was pathetic of him. Are most men really that desperate? Fucking losers.
>>284095707If it was western wokefags, it would make sense because they unironically hate gay shit and will call it "homophobic" or "pedophilia" to get it censored. But the jp director probably just thinks Ranma is slutting it up too much.
Why the fuck were those posts deleted? >>284095300Thanks. >She normally doesn't talk this rudelySo a rare case of cured tsun
>>284097875I think sometimes if an anon gets banned all their posts get deleted, assuming the posts were all the same anon. Otherwise I don't know either
>>283950126Ah, so Ukyo getting out the okonomiyaki cart during her rethink was in the manga, just not as obvious. I actually like how the remake gives extra attention to some background details that were already there.>>284097959Well that's dumb.
>>284026448Both animes sort of tried by giving Ukyo thickish boy-type eyebrows, at least.
>>283950148This shot was a good addition. The expression is very Ukyo. God, she's beautiful.
>>283949371>find out Ranma wasn't really at fault>grudge is on shaky ground>fuck it let's beat the shit out of him anywayHey, Ukyo and Ryoga have one thing in common. >What is Ukyo, a litter of kittens?I will never stop loving the peanut gallery for immeasurably enriching my manga experience.
bumo
>>284105002Things happen.
>>284092113It would never have worked, Ukyo wants a house husband and Ryoga is never home.
>>284105135Chashu kuro kobuta okonomiyaki
>>284092608I'd settle for Ryoga, at least I'd have the house to myself for long periods of time.
>>283950017Why was demented-chibi girls beating the shit out of Ranma and Genma with brooms against a blood red background the most satisfying remake adaptation of a scene in this episode?
>>284086257I can't remember if I found out I had a thing for femdom before I read Ranma 1/2. I do remember the Kodachi roof scene doing serious things to me.
>>283949620Badass. Does Ukyo ever get any more true fight scenes?
>>283949692Akane's common sense levels go up by a lot when she's not directly involved.
https://x.com/Ranma_goods/status/1994336042099322966I saw a lot people wondering about the image in the last episode, we can see that we'll get Romeo and Juliet, Duck Mousse, but what's the last episode?
>>284107405The Duck Mousse arc is 5 chapters in the manga, aside from the mess that was the Happosai episode they've never covered more than 4 chapters an ep. So it's likely to be a two-parter.
>>284107304I think just the Takoyaki childhood friend, then she's pretty much relegated to backline/damsel-in-distress with Akane during the sexy kunoichi arc.
>>283949739Neither anime really communicated Ranma's casual-overwhelming-force, though the new one definitely came closer. For some reason the '89 anime made it look like he was struggling to bend the spatula.
Ryouga has maxed Power, Stamina, and Heart
>>284107548Didn't they do more than 4 chapters in one ep for happosai's introduction?
>>284107548>>284107548>>284108833>aside from the mess that was the Happosai episodeOk my bad, you already said that
>>284108833Yeah, and they did it by cutting material, skipping a whole chapter, and awkwardly stitching unrelated events together. Can't really do that for the Duck Mousse arc, which is a single straight forward narrative.
>>283949709>sissyNetflix had it as "coward", was it gendered in the original? >>283950104>You won't have any problem finding--I thought I heard "otoko" here in the remake. Netflix subtitles had it gender-neutral, dubtitles specified "guy".>>283951389Yeah, that's really weird. I wonder if no one on staff was familiar with English rural dialects.
>>283949909>But aren't promises meant to be broken?>That IS the point, stupid! Don't you ever watch samurai movies? Nice work by Jones/Viz here, especially the stealth TL note.
>>284062907>It's equivalent to being the bacteria that breaks down the excrement from a dung beetle that ate the shit of a human who finished drinking kopi luwak from the dung of a civet cat.Keked. And ouch but yes to the rest.
>>283949957First panel was done dirty by both adaptations. This was the raging storming sea crashing! and leaving silence broken only by the wind of sorrow in its wake. Adaptations made it bathetic. Oh woe, me and my gym mats. >>283950148Ending was even better animated though. The voice acting added the ^____^
>>284109276And then said bacteria declaring itself some kind of champion barista and ultimate authority on coffee(certain youtubers).
>>284109197>Netflix had it as "coward", was it gendered in the original?No, just the generic "hikyoumono">>284109197>I thought I heard "otoko" here in the remake. Netflix subtitles had it gender-neutral, dubtitles specified "guy"."Kore kara ii otoko ga ara- (cut off arawareta)", so "Good men are going to appear in your future" or something along those lines. Viz's translation here is pretty weird.
>>284062907>"First-hand" would be the raws(technically second-hand, since it has to pass the publisher's editor)There's some reprint publications that make a specific point of printing what the author actually put down on the page, reverting any editor alterations. I know the Complete Shigeru Mizuki Collection is like that.
>>284109897I mean, unless they literally reprint the first draft sent for approval, there will still be some back and forth with the editor.
Sex with Ukyo
Ranma willingly and repeatedly getting impregnated by Kuno
Happosai unwillingly getting impregnated and locked into girl form by Cologne
