I wasted 2 days of my life reading this shit.
It's kino
>>284800466If you're 13 years old and only in it for the gore (which stops having the same impact since every single cover is the two motherfuckers naked with their intestines out) then yes, I can see how you'd have such a retarded opinion.
I like muscles and gore and japanese homo fascists and was greatly entertained by it.
>>284800163Shit taste. Seppuku yourself.
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>>284800163>>284800503Describe to me how you perceived the cast.Who is Fujiki?Who is Irako?Who is Mie?Who is Ushimata?
cant find last thread hmm
>>284800661I really cannot answer that, I've just stopped giving a fuck altogether, sincerely. Every manga I've read in the past 4 years has been a frustrating experience, especially the endings.Perhaps it is I who is cursed.
>>284800769Yeah, you probably do have a problem if you've somehow been unable to find anything enjoyable for years.That is your dysfunction not the rest of the world's.
>>284800661What I CAN answer is>Who is Fujiki?Apparently the main character. Which pissed me off because I was rooting for Irako the whole time.
>>284800818It all started with SnK. It cursed me with a fear of shitass endings that always comes true, and has been tormenting me me ever since.
>>284800844Who is he as a man?Who is Irako as a man?>>284800951Shigurui has one of the best ends in any manga, ever.
>>284801035>Shigurui has one of the best ends in any manga, everNo, fuck you. Everyone I liked died.
>>284800716Right over here:>>284765556
>>284801071That's the point, nigga.What do you think the theme of the manga was?
>>284800503goreslop in a nutshell especially oldshitt. Never read OP tho but read others
>>284801190>That's the point, niggaWell I'm tired of "that being the point" of every fucking thing I read.
>>284801211You dove fucking neck deep into a manga that from the very first chapter established it's raison d'etre being going into lurid detail about how horrible feudal Japanese society could be, and you are surprised that a lot of people died by the ending?What did you expect?For them to sing kumbaya?
>>284801286If anything I expected them to kill each other at the same time not this bullshit.
>>284800163I feel the story really starts to lose its luster when Kogan dies, and the revenge duel ends in Seigen's victory. The toad man's story is really weird, and the rest of the Seigen/Fujiki plot gets overtaken by the Edo politics.
Word on the street is that gawain has died of aids
Is Shigurui the Dark Souls 1 of manga?
>>284801312The ending was deliberately worse than that. Seigen is cut down after looking like a fool to spectators. All that ambition squandered because he failed to respect his opponent. Fujiki cements himself as another mere tool, even after affecting throwing away his samurai honor. Mie realizes that there truly is no salvation for her anywhere and kills herself. She'd dreamed about killing Seigen for leaving her behind and not fucking her for years, only to get it through the lens of Fujiki affirming himself as another mindless servant.And it's all remembered as a mere 1st match in a doomed coup attempt that is covered up. Two cripples flailing around and their women killing themselves out of shame.It's all as spitefully done as was possible and that was the point. It is glorious.
Where the fuck is the OP?
>>284801431Just because you think it's poetic for it to be that crude and "real" or whatever is going on in your mind doesn't make it good. It wasn't satisfying.>b-but you're supposed to feel that way! It's dogshit on purpose so it's a masterpiece!Tired of this cope, genuinely.
>>284801502Satisfying here means committing to the bit of being fully nasty and mean spirited, which is what happened.Otherwise it'd just be a cop out.You wanted a cowardly ending that failed to commit to the established themes and tones of the work.It isn't crude.That ending was artfully following every character's flaws to their conclusions.Seigen's arrogance, Fujiki's inability to think with autonomy, Iku's desperate dedication, Mie's obsession, Tadanaga's disinterest.
>>284801502It's a manga about how the obsession with revenge spiraling out of control for both main characters until it consumes them and everyone close to them. I don't know why you expected some happy or heroic conclusion but you picked the wrong manga for that.
>>284801666You're one of those pretentious faggots who thinks he's smarter than everyone else for liking shit no one else does, aren't you? An ending should be enjoyable for the reader even if it's not happy, and if it's not enjoyable either you fail as a writer or if not, then you're purposely telling your readers to fuck themselves which is taken right from the book of Hollywood and their jewish hatred for the people who feed them by consooming their stories. And yes I know this was made in 2003 so pick your poison.
>>284801786>the jews invented tragedy>the jews invented characters facing the consequences of their tragic flaws>jews invented polemics to criticize society and social structures
>>284801786>It's a retard reads something far above his literacy level and gets mad episodeMany such cases. Go and read One Piece that's probably more your speed
>>284801431I enjoyed the depictions of the superhuman sword arts but at the same time I thought the ending was totally brilliant, for the final battle to look like a fuckup and invalidate all the effort put in by the characters which was ultimately for vain and petty reasons. That leads into the really sublime thing about the series which is the murky nature of reality in the story. After the revenge duel, it's revealed that seemingly Gonzaemon actually didn'tThe other thing I really liked was the somewhat mutable nature of reality in the story, how it suggests that the field of gore created by Ushimata at the revenge duel wasn't actually that extreme. Notice how the reality disparities occur mostly when there is a duel with a large audience. It suggests that all the extreme mystical stuff happening in the story was actually just the reflection of rumors and myths about Kogan-ryuu and the final duel reflected the reality. There aren't many stories that weave in this level of meta-narrative and do it in an unobtrusive way. You could miss that aspect of the story completely and it wouldn't harm the experience.Shigurui has a political angle I oppose, leftist cultural critics are great at attacking traditions while offering no good alternatives of their own. We've seen the world they want to create and it sucks. Still, that doesn't detract from the quality of art and storytelling in the manga.
>>284801965Yeah, the legend aspect of the story is a big part.Just like when you watch some great athletes play and feel like they are superhuman in the moment, but on a rewatch it's all less impressive.Here it's applied to duels between characters that are all already mentally ill and deranged.I don't think that the leftist critical theory thing matters much here because the society described is long dead.It's anti-romantic, but the solution to the problem posed is just modern society. What we already have, in Japan and elsewhere.If anything it exists as an anti-revolutionary work. To argue against a need for change by pointing out how one of the pathways (towards the past) is dystopic.
>>284800163Why couldn't someone remake this anime instead of remaking One Piece when it already has a complete adaptation
>>284801171>tfw no RAM
>>284802141I agree it's anti-revolutionary, it's in favor of the status quo. Most modern leftist work is that way, like the Marvel and nu-Star Wars movies. Shigurui depicts the past as a nightmare and encourages Japanese people to reject their roots in favor of modernity.In the West there are narratives like "people in the Middle Ages were extremely filthy and never bathed," proven to be false. Fiction like Game of Thrones does the same thing, portraying a medieval-like society as a dystopia ruled by psychopaths. I don't think that's accurate and there's definitely an agenda behind it, one that wants to alienate people from their heritage.Whatever else you can say about the Edo period, it wasn't common for people to die of overwork and barely see their children. Marriages didn't go sexless after the first child. Clearly people found something fulfilling in that life that many don't today. Saying "the past was a hell world and right now is the best time that's ever been" is one of the most widespread psyops in the modern world, it's kind of like North Korea telling their people that the world outside is an endless Mad Max wasteland.
>>284800639kek
>>284803060>Whatever else you can say about the Edo period, it wasn't common for people to die of overwork and barely see their children. Marriages didn't go sexless after the first child. Clearly people found something fulfilling in that life that many don't today.Vis a vis children, it was worse because your child would just die of some random sickness, and the reason you'd have them was a need for extra hands on the farm or extra workers in your workshop if you were a tradesman or merchant. Modern society might be sexless and distant, but in that era marriage and reproduction was an economic necessity. Especially when injury or illness could disable you in your middle age, and you'd need children to keep you alive through your dotage. If having children today as an economic boon rather than an albatross, you'd see a lot more kids being born. Unfortunately, short of the government just paying you an above average salary for breeding (like $60k in most of the US or 6mil yen in Tokyo), that isn't going to change. This isn't me trying to argue cynically, but mostly to point out how we didn't lose access to romance or love between people and sexual desire, but just that the same stressed out pragmatism that leads to one child households or couples that barely even ever have sex due to exhaustion today, had its counterpart in the past that expressed itself differently. In forcing yourself to breed for the sake of investing in your future.
>>284800163You are a tasteless retarded faggot kys
Clit dick
>>284801312All the tournament winners did die in the novel anyway.
>>284800661>not mentioning best girl Iku
>>284800163You would have had more fun reading Teppu or Kokou no Hito. Fuck even Bibliomania if you haven’t already..
>>284804266Even not-Kenshin?
>>284801366I felt for goreslop I like Shamo, early on it’s like the peak from firelink to orenstein. But falls off after you get lord vessel. Also Holyland is a much better read than most dog.
Come to think of it, wasn't there a storytime(yet another one) of Shigurui currently?
>>284803884The impending toad saga filled the dumper with so much despair that he must have sudoku'd to preserve his dignity.
>>284803060Usury was illegal for a reason. Fiat currency in a rat race where they idolize a false image of a a family that is crumbling right behind the mask. It’s not even worth fighting for and literally the general reason that plague has hit all countries to varying degrees. Some can cope by buying toy dogs or stacking digital 1/0 in a bank account they can take away if you don’t tow their line100%
>>284801071>The guys i liked died in the purposefully tragic storyShocking
>>284804584Yep. Everyone dies.The novel is already translated.
>>284804604I actually like toad's story but yamaguchi simply did not have it in him to finish itI do like that introducing him and the other duelists makes it feel like there's more happening at Sunpu than just Irako and Seigen, it makes it feel somehow more real when you got more than two people with a plot running.
>>284804544Iku is a witch that killed Irako, destroyed Kogan ryuu and also caused many deaths of random bystanders. If she didn't exist, then we would've had a relatively happy ending.
>>284801786filteredgo back to Solo Leveling Warrior
>>284803190I'm NTA but I've seen people argue about life being fulfilling from the opposite angle of feudal life being unfulfilling compared to a modern one. It was in reference to a totally different fiction, but I thought the premise was kind of half baked then too.What is a fulfilling life? Simply having kids and feeling content? How do we know peasants were content as they were? Feudal power struggles were real and people were ambitious to get out of their station. People yearned for good food and simply couldn't get it in a large amount, often saving it for holidays. In modern times, people complain about not being able to find love, being overworked or losing the ability to be entertained easily, but many of these people still think life is worthwhile enough not to kill themselves, they are content enough to avoid that fate. Applying it to Shigurui just feels weird, because for some parts of the world the kind of behaviors the characters echo never left, these are just destructive behaviors enforced by a more hierarchical society. Something like the 20s USA would already be largely rid of that stuff comparably just by the different political system alone, while you could find backstabbing and power grabbing aplenty in 20th century dictatorships.If the issue is life not being fulfilling, I find that it's a question of technology (particularly a lot of portable digital tech has numbed life) and economic and legal factors may feel restrictive. But I would not say it's to the extent that a worst-case medieval system like Shigurui's would be enticing, nor do I think it's necessarily totally inaccurate as a depiction (though it does play things up a little bit to drive home its terrible aspects). The whole manga, beyond being against muh feudalism in a way that may upset some people, feels like it asks people to be wary of the worst aspects from it that may resurface in modern times, and I feel like that's a perfectly valid thing.
>>284801965>The other thing I really liked was the somewhat mutable nature of reality in the story, how it suggests that the field of gore created by Ushimata at the revenge duel wasn't actually that extreme. Notice how the reality disparities occur mostly when there is a duel with a large audience. It suggests that all the extreme mystical stuff happening in the story was actually just the reflection of rumors and myths about Kogan-ryuu and the final duel reflected the reality.I hated that part.>>284768729>it was discovered that their bodies were surprisingly intact>shows guy cut in half lolSo he killed a bunch of people on his own and cut a guy in two but everything else was fantastical.
>>284805307Was it not Kogan who brought her in? Feels like the whole issue is just his own oversight. Tadanaga's tournament would probably have proceeded with someone from Kogan ryuu anyway and who knows what Seigen would've done to Fujiki without Iku, the beach scene would still be a thing.
>>284800163Don't care. The anime was amazing.
>>284805438The fantastical bit was him thinking he was throwing around giblets of gore everywhere to throw off Seigen's technique, when in reality he bludgeoned a few people to death, struck someone in half and tore off a few limbs at best. It's a notable change cause Gonzaemon appears less of a hellspawn without being able to do something like that, but it failing him to fight with impractical paddles exposes a kind of bravado you feel underlies the whole thing, if not the warrior class in a broad stroke.
>>284801035Fujiki isn't a man, he's a seashell.
>>284805537>The fantastical bit was him thinking he was throwing around giblets of gore everywhere to throw off Seigen's techniqueHow is that more unbelievable than killing a bunch of people on his own with wood swords, cutting one in half? They were talking about the whole fight, obviously, but it doesn't work because it's still a crazy feat.Anyway I hate it,>btw it wasn't as cool as depictedWay to piss on the fun. Who needed reminding that stories get embellished.
Read this next!
The first chapter has a movie, Taiketsu (1963)
What was the point of adapting the toad chapters in the end? The way shigurui was structured it doesn't feel like the mangaka intended to cover the whole novel
>>284805735Cutting someone in half with pure brute force, or tearing them in half is no doubt difficult but it's pretty much not enough for Gonzaemon. In that whole scene he's trying to act as insane as he can to try and save the fearsome reputation of the school in my opinion.>Way to piss on the fun. Who needed reminding that stories get embellished.It's not about stories being embellished, it's about having bravado. Seigen is able to dispell it because he knows there's less in his way than everyone else thinks there is, and also because he's an "outsider" so to say and doesn't buy into it.>>284805888If I recall, the premise left him too depressed to continue after the first fight.
>dat pose
>>284800503oh fuck here it is: The dumbest opinion i will read this year.Close to the end but you made it.Yes moron, this incredibly complex story layered with themes and history is actually "only gore". Fucking go to bed.
>>284803060you know how many "revolutions" the japanese had since those days?Even as a conservative and in parts reactionary i find it pretty stupid to mindlessly glorify social hierarchy especially when its as unfair and unbalanced as it was during the japanese edo-period. Obviously Japan cant get back to a world where they were ruled by a warrior-caste with no real purpose that was mandated to wear swords when going outside.
>>284805888It was necessary to display further the evil feudal system and how it oppresses those who are different.
>>284805888Just throws a character that has to rely on strength alone into the system.He is basically Kogan but even less capable of playing the game and we get to see where that takes him. Ultimately i just destroys any romanticism about martial prowess.
>>284805999Based Ken
Shigurui's okay, I guessKakugo no Susume is better thoughYamaguchi's masterpiece, really
>>284806071>>284806117I feel like it's almost the opposite. He should just be a malformed loser but purely through his swordsmanship and cheeky stratz he nearly maneuvers himself into becoming Chika's fiance. He's more proactive in improving his station than Fujiki for example
>>284806117UHH EXCUSE ME GAMA KENPOU ARE UNRIVALLED TECHNIQUES REQUIRING YEARS OF PRACTICE
>>284806258>He should just be a malformed loser but purely through his swordsmanship and cheeky stratz he nearly maneuvers himself into becoming Chika's fiance.My point exactly, he was a striver who overcame all odds and was punished for it just because he was born different.
>>284806258>nearly maneuvers himself into becoming Chika's fianceyes, emphasis on nearly. They system set up by the old Funaki pretends to select for strength alone but when the wrong candidate attempts to pass the bar the bar is risen until he fails.
>>284800503>A manga based off of a novel (reading?! fucking ewwwwww) showcasing the brutality of the edo period and the lengths warriors would go to and give their lives even for abstract concepts like honor, glory and hierarchy with very good art and strong symbolism??>nah it just for the gore and 13 year olds or something broClearly not meant for you, go back to "reading" The Time I Got Reincarnated As A Gay Niggers Suppository, it's more up to your speed.
Shigurui if written by OP>Irako and Fujiki both enter the tournament ground at Sunpu Castle>"So it's finally time" Irako says before drawing his word>"Owarida, Irako!" Fujiki says>Kakugo Complete plays>Both run at each other Nardo style and clash katanas and sparks fly everywhere>Seigen though blind is fighting by predicting all of Fujiki's moves>Seigen uses mumyou sakanagare which has demon slayer hallucination shit all over it except instead of water it's a dragon>"So he's going to use THAT..." Fujiki says as he prepares nagareboshi to meet him>Both techniques meet and pass through each other, fujiki's one arm slash being fast enough to kill seigen and vice versa>20 shocked reaction panels ala One Piece, Tadanaga looks really mad before a flying sword shard pierces his head>Both Seigen and Irako collapse on each other "Truly... this was... a shigurui™, Irako... My brother...">Mie and Iku run on stage and yell their names with sadness and hug them>BOOM cut to Evangelion style ending where they're all clapping for Irako and Fujiki, even Kogan and Gonzaemon are there clapping, congratulations! You stopped feudalism
>>284801965>leftist cultural critics are great at attacking traditions while offering no good alternatives of their own.As opposed to the socialist Utopia left cucks want?
>>284806385And everyone lived happily ever after...
>>284803060>Most modern leftist work is that way, like the Marvel and nu-Star Wars moviesanon...
>>284806057It's not that Japan should return to the Edo period, but it's disingenuous to say "it was an evil dystopic hellworld" when the modern world has no shortage of problems. The desire to completely invalidate a nation's past suggests an agenda to force changes on the people they wouldn't accept if they had more historical perspective.
>>284800163Where the fuck is the next chapter dump?
>>284805999>>284806336Your reading comprehension isn't any better than OP's.
>>284806385You wanted to make a mocking post but you wrote kino instead
>>284805213I just hate how long we spend on toad and all the shitting in it, I know that it only feel like that because we don't see his fight but there were more people in that tournament who could have the focus
>>284803060I'm a determinist. You can't go 'back to your roots', turn back the clock, because necessarily your society is going to revolve into the modern one that exists anyways.Modernity was always destined to happen.
>>284805307Anon Iku didn't even wanted to be there, Kogan was the one that didn't let her go.>>284805888It was suppose to adapt more of the novel so there was some hints of other fighters like toad and the guy that retrains Irako, but all the depressing stuff broke the mangaka's spirit
>>284805418I think at a basic level outside of times of war or famine or plague, most people are going to be the same level of complacently content. Dissatisfied in many ways, but their normal state is going to be basically accepting of their circumstance and they'll find some pleasure in it all. Life is basically unfulfilling at a root level if one's goal is to have a narrative structure to their existence. Its more just a motley mix of events, some good, some bad, led by a person with variable levels of control over their life.
>>284805888I think the story just needed a buffer between the end of the revenge duel and the beginning of the build up to Tadanaga's event. There needed to be filler there for the audience and author alike.
>>284807417Societies generally improve over time.
>>284806385fucking kek
>>284803060>In the West there are narratives like "people in the Middle Ages were extremely filthy and never bathed," proven to be falsePost that proof. Not anecdotal evidence, not conjectures, actual provable numbers. Thank you.
>>284810025I don't feel like it
>>284807417You sound like a slav.
>>284803060>>284810313>the Danes, thanks to their habit of combing their hair every day, of bathing every Saturday and regularly changing their clothes, were able to undermine the virtue of married women and even seduce the daughters of nobles to be their mistresses.- Chronicle of John of Wallingford, 13th century
>>284810384This isn't historical evidence.
>>284810489>bathing and changing your clothes once a week made you a sinfully alluring metrosexual in 13th century Englandit is
>>284810574It's not historical evidence anon. That's how how it works. But I agree that if for some reason were acted like 10 years old in this conversation and pretended it meant anything then it could only be interpreted as proof that medieval people rarely bathed. Which we already knew without needing to have faith in one thousands year old random hearsay rumor but ok.
>>284805307She's so cruel! She's so cruel!
This manga truly is a brainlet filter.
If the author felt soul-drained by all the negativity of Shigurui then why did he inject so much more miserable content all by himself?
>>284811097He had to empty his bowels to keep making positive manga
>>284807417If the shogunate was so great the Japanese probably would have kept it.
>>284810815>>284810489>>284810313So you have zero evidence for your claim, but a guy much closer to the time period's second hand documentation is considered not evidence?
>>284811097The author is Fujiki and the editors are Kogan
>>284811097Sometimes the creative process is more like discovering something which was always there. It probably doesn't feel right to change things because you don't like what you find.
>>284811967Correct, a random guy writing down "danes are total chads who fuck all the bitches" is not historical evidence. It's a shitpost. There is no reason to believe it reflects the truth and it does not even matter. Whether what it says about the Danes is true or completely fabricated, the end result is that it implies europeans rarely took baths or wore clean clothes.
>>284814001>the end result is that it implies europeans rarely took baths or wore clean clothes.And from that we can extrapolate that men who *do* avoid smelling like pigshit would have an easier time seducing women. Though I feel like this would only work in England, for obvious reasons.
