Volume 41Tale of Jiraiya the GallantChapter 375: Two Great Sages...!!Previous chapter: >>285023643Start: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/subject/Daily%20Naruto%20Chapter/filter/text/page/11/
>>285053763>Yet another technique with the Byakugan's nicheMust be a fetich at this point.
>>285053803Why is this frog like this?
>>285053720Animal path is crazy versatile. Good match up for Jiraiyas box of random bullshit.
>>285053788>offscreenkek
>>285053884>"He demonstrated the ability to achieve all six changes in nature, which is unheard of in a single person."Couldn't Hiruzen do it or am I remembering wrong?
>>285053884>mastered every jutsu i taught himNagato knows the rasengan?
>>285053717ARIGATO, OUR LEADER!
>>285053933Yes, but Hiruzen in an outlier what with being the God of Shinobi and all.
>>285053933Jiraiya didn't buy Hiruzen's propaganda.
...!!!
>>285053953>>285054005Why is the path in Black and white?
>>285054005What's the deal with the growth progression of the frogs? Do they start off tiny and get giant at maturity only to shrink into tiny sized again in old age?
>>285053717cool war paint>>285053788>>285053803>>285053822god forbid he show Gamaken hitting it to cause this development>>285053884I really like mister Gamaken.
>>285053980The way Pa phrases this implies Jiraiya could somewhat go into sage mode a long time ago but that's absolute bullshit.
>>285053857Reminder CHADruto was able to dodge that.
>>285053980Jiraiya didn't tell the toads about Nagato in the past?
Thanks again OP>>285054020Denoting invisibility, I think
>>285054097Kishi traced this from Hunter X Hunter
>>285054021Different species have different sizes and growth
>>285054051OP you missed this page in the color version.
>>285054005It was really annoying that Minato didn't get his own unique sage mode patterns and he was just a copy of Naruto's.
>>285053822Kibabros... why can't we do that...
>>285053884>all six changes in natureFire, Water, Earth, Lightning, Wind, and...?
>>285054227cum
>>285054188Huh, good catch. I'll try to find the page elsewhere but it's not on the usual site I get the pages from/
>>285054227Yin-Yang release.
>>285054020It indicates that he's invisible.
>>285054188Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't read this chapter, and that page makes it a lot more sensical lol
Papi minato would have given a proper application for all 6 pains to earn a job.
>>285054059Jiraya still cares about being popular with the ladies
>>285054005ENTERTHE TOAD GOD
>>285053884>and I just left this child with literal god tier talent in enemy lines after training him.
See ya tomorrow, anons.
So, it took 12 pages for Jiraiya to go into sage mode going by his line in the second page.Would you say that's fast enough or too slow?
Not sure which sensei is worse at passing on their myriad wacky bullshit, Kakashi or Jiraiya
>>285054428Thanks OP. I can't wait to see GODiraiya wipe the floor with this orphan.
So the colored manga straight up has some missing pages?What a scam.
>>285053717just what the fuck are all these pipes for?Metroid crawling?
>>285053822>>285053857Always loved these summons, especially the bird
>>285054428>>285054405>>285054005Arigatou, OUR LEADER!
>That can't be! Nagato was a genius who mastered all the 3 jutsus in taught him!Jiraiya...
>>285054493Yeah, sorry. This has happened before but CM is just flaky sometimes.
>>285054533Animal Realm is cool as hell, I'm glad we got a character* entirely dedicated to summoning. Not how Jiraiya is with the Toads, but a character who only SUMMOOOOONS.Also to J-man's point: Nagato has every element/nature change, why do none of the paths use these?
>>285054563>1 year for each jutsu So Nardo learning like two things in the time skip makes sense
>>285054405Jiraiya with the peak doujin rapeface here
>>285054493it's also offset incorrectly when you try to read it in double page mode and randomly changes even if you try to correct it. It's lower resolution and has watermarks on every page. It's pretty ass and the site for the group that was making it went down a while back so I don't think there will ever be an improved release.
>>285054631The black and white english scans are censored too in comparison to the colored manga so both have issues. Need a retranslation of the japanese raws
The anime did a really good job of fleshing out the fight until Jiraiya charges up Sage Mode. Felt rushed here.
Thanks for dumping OP. Love yourselves Naruchads.
Why did Naruto's control over kurama regressed in part 2?
>>285055024Because he lost his bro
>>285054504>just what the fuck are all these pipes for?Water. What else?
>>285053720Where did he got that thing from indeed? It's never explained how you ever obtain a summon aside from randomly being handed a contract like Naruto did
>>285054594>why do none of the paths use these?Because they can only use their path ability speedreader
>>285055145>Where did he got that thing from indeed?We see that thing get killed later and it was still able to be summoned again later on. Because of that there's a theory that the rinnegan is creating them.
>>285055156why? that is stupid
>>285055024You already asked this before and the answer is still the same, it didn't.
>>285055064His "bro" tried to kill him and "no way fag"d him and Sakura.
>>285055271>why?Did you read the manga? Yes or no.
>>285055319>Posts arc where Naruto chimped out multiple times
>>285055362Uh huh
>>285054005>>285054405Orochimaru canonically no-diffs this
>>285053763>>285053788
>>285053763>>285053788>>285055636
>>285054474Can Kakashi even be considered Sakura's teacher? He genuinely never taught her shit.
>>285053720>>285053749>>285053763>>285053717 And what the fuck was she doing in thr meantime while her friend was getting his handed to him by a bunch of knock off cenobites.
>>285054493No, OP is just a retard and can't use good sites.
>>285055636>>285055659Still pisses me off the sage Naruto portion of the Pan fight never got good animation like this.
>>285055222That theory doesn't make too much sense. It'd take way too much energy to create those that things every time you're summoning them, and Nagato was already dying from rinnegan aids here.
>>285055730She was doing Hokage work. Since you know, she's an entire village to run.
>>285055636Do the frogs get anything out of helping Jiraiya?
>>285055783>It'd take way too much energy to create those that things every time you're summoning themWe're be seeing Sasuke and Madara spamming chakra mechs like two arcs from now.
>>285055761Which sites are good?
>>285055730Did you speedread the part where Jiraiya specifically told her not to come for back-up?
>>285055852I'm not helping the faggot OP
>>285055145I like to imagine the Rain Village having a secret zoo where Pain and Konan tend to their box of killer beasts from all over the world
>>285055852He doesn't know of any since he also just uses the CM pages.
>>285055730>What the fuck was she doing.Her boy toy
>>285055729He taught her tree climbing and how to release genjutsu.
>>285055903>he also just uses the CM pagesNo. OP is too antagonizing and I don't support his faggot lifestyle so I'm not helping. Cope.
>>285055730Cha cheers to ah ah another uh dayyuhh as uh ha pukeeee ….. Hokagayyyyuhhhh
>>285055904Tsunade would never cheat on Dan like this.
>>285055630Jiraiya-bros...
>>285054005Why didn't he use this against Orochimaru in the Search for Tsunade arc?
>He's back for more after being ignored in the previous thread
>>285056051Orochimaru is too weak to bother with that.
This fight really fucked up the power-scaling. Hanzo was somehow leagues above 3 characters with similar strength to this. Pain easily destroys Hanzo, but admits Jiraiya could have somehow defeated him. Hiruzen was somehow superior to all his students but the most we ever see from him is some clones and monkey staff. Kishi really sucked at consistency.
>>285055982no-life...
>>285056051He was poisoned and couldn't control his chakra, but real reason, Kishi hadn't thought of it yet.
>>285053893He's an awkward fellow, after all.
>>285056051Tsunade drugged him
>>285056121Faggot-life...
>>285056051His chakra was fucked up and he probably didn't master it in a way that would be useful yet.>>285056096Would be a good argument if Jiraiya could actually beat Oro without it.
>>285056100>Hanzo was somehow leagues above 3 characters with similar strength to thisThe Sannin were a younger then. Why are you acting as their current power is the same as over a decade ago?>but admits Jiraiya could have somehow defeated himBy finding Nagato's actually body and killing him since Jirata figured out his secret.
>>285053893>frogThat's a toad my good sir.
>>285056178>Why are you acting as their current power is the same as over a decade ago?Because it makes no sense that characters became stronger in their 50s vs prime of their life ages.
>>285056236Naruto is the furthest thing from reality when it comes to this considering Onoki exists.
Pain is really the coolest Akatsuki, moveset-wise. Multiple bodies with multiple specializations, no blind spots, summons, gravity pulls, everything. Sure beats gay ass "I look at you and trap you within my genjutsu lol" that Uchiha monkeys spam.
>>285056304Onoki also has a skillet that doesn't rely on physical strength. Look at Hiruzen in comparison...but even then, Hiruzen was somehow still considered the strongest Kage at his time of death.
>>285054005I know this is "imperfect" Sage Mode, but I always liked the creepy frog eyes here.
>>285056236This is fiction retard.
>>285056381And people still argue about powerscaling regardless, retard. Your concession is accepted. Goodbye.
>>285056009You must’ve not read part 2, she literally will let him do anything.
>>285056312The multiple bodies were done for a reason if you just had nagato show up as a one man army how would you kill him off.
>>285056312Cope harder
>>285055636>moves elegantly, pins the cerberus with ease>insists he is ungracefulfrogs are the most humble creatures, we don't deserve them
>>285056428>And people*autists
>>285056100Hiruzen was also ancient when he died. We never get to see him in his prime when he CAN do every jutsu ever without running his chakra out and killing himself.
>>285056482>people think Jiraiya has a counter to this
>>285056224all toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads.>>285055659that bit where gamaken runs like a person is silly, hehe
>>285055636>>285055659trulyfrogs/toads > snakes > slugs
>>285056009Anon naruto is her dan , she sees her dead lover in him.
>>285056519Prime Hiruzen solo's picrel btw.
Professor Hiruzen
>>285056571Prime Hiruzen could do the same thing
Does access to all 5 natures also allow usage of their respective EKG combinations?
>>285056636>EKG?
>>285056100>Konan almost kills Tobi>Jiraiya 1 taps KonanMaybe powerscaling is dumb in this rock paper scissors environment, ninjutsu isn't like kai aura from DB
>>285056636I feel like the Rinnegan should allow access to all kekkei gekkais.
>>285056482He's still sealed to this day. What is life like is totsuka blade land?
>>285056667>>285056636Meaning ice, jitnton, lava, etc. I presume. And no it doesn't for some reason. You need the genes for it
>>285056636>>285056667If you mean kekkei genkai, no.
>>285056636No
>>285056759
>>285056759>>285056778Kishi addresses this just to give a complete non-answer. why the fuck can't you make Ice if you know Water and Wind and are way better at those two than Haku?
>>285056312Itachi really is a walking magic box of 1 shot no jutsus. I don't see how anyone could find him interesting.
>>285056701Konan had a 600 billion paper bombs in her fight against Obito.
>>285056806It's honestly really funny if you view it in the idea of Kishimoto being really fucking annoyed at people over the Hard Work vs Talent debate since the special releases like Ice and Wood shit on that entirely. No matter how good you are or get, you'll never have the raw genetic potential that doing stuff like Lava jutsu requires.
>>285056806>just to give a complete non-answerYou got an answer. You just didn't like it contradicted what you wanted it to be.>hy the fuck can't you make Ice if you know Water and WindBecause it doesn't work like that in this series, faggot.
>>285053720>>285053749TSUTAE NI KITA YO
>>285056840>Hard Work vs Talent debateWas only Lee's thing.
What combination of elements creates bone jutsu?
>>285056885Yes. Which is why he'd be annoyed at people treating it as a core concept of the series, anon.
>>285056754I assume he's kind of sick of having to spend eternity with Orochimaru
>>285056830Not as bullshit as izanagi and a storage shed of eyeballs
>>285054205Minato is really annoying as a whole
>>285056840>>285056778>>285056759This is his son btw being reduced to ass blasted retard.
>>285056965>izanagiHoly kino
>>285056975>t. Oro
>>285054493???which page?
>>285056981Not Naruto's fault Jiraiya didn't teach him about nature transformation during the timeskip.
Onoki really introduced the idea of having jutsu that are the combo of 3 elements and we never got to see the other hypothetical mixes
>>285055842Really, though, what did the humans ever do for them? Besides building the aqueduct.Iirc the frogs could also use the summoning jutsu to summon Jiraiya if they wanted, right?
>>285056975>t. Onoki
>>285057021You wouldn’t think if kakashi knew all along minatos son was his student yiu wouldn’t think to train him to be a killer like him.
>>285057033Why didn't hiruzen do this
>>285056885I know right. I can't believe people still make that mistake
>>285057146It's such a silly thing to think.
>>285057070Why are all the most popular characters in this series mass murderers?
>>285057021I mean this is literally just the basics of it and how it works. All of what Kakashi said is legitimately stuff they'd teach actual children in the academy.
>>285057070>>285056981I would like to see a world were Minato and kushina were still alive, what would naruto be a spoiled brat or an a1 killer like his old man.
>>285057160Did they even read the manga?!
>>285057121READ THE MANGA >>285056759
>>285057162at least Minato's was in wartime. Itachi gleefully mowed down his family to appease the mayor's office
>>285057176God I want Naruto to impregnate me
>>285056701The RPS segments in Naruto are pretty irrelevant in Naruto outside of Sasuke vs Deidara, and even then he was holding back.
>>285057176Lee looks different in this page. Cool hair though.
Sage mode is pretty fucking gay if you think about itMade worse is that is wanked endlessly by several more characters after this
>>285057202Hinata...Sasuke...
>>285056483He's a reference to this guy
>>285057176>>285057146>>285057160Kishi really flip flops between either or not Naruto is a sleeper prodigy or a hardworker even if he contradicts the story multiple times to showcase whatever side he's on at the moment.
>>285057187Some "god" Hiruzen is
>>285057226You have stuff like Tayuya getting flat out unlucky that Temari had a hard counter jutsu as her main attack, CM2 Tayuya was more powerful than Temari but it didn't matter because she had paper and Temari had scissors,
>>285057316>spicy blowjob
>>285053884>Taught all sorts of jutsuAnd Couldn't try to teach Naruto some variety ok
>>285057341Temari cut the entire forrest, she was gonna win no matter what.
>>285057300No he doesn't
>>285057418This just wraps back around to powerscaling being kind of dumb in a series like this, where a more powerful character loses just because the weaker character has a lethal jutsu
>>285057316Even senile Hiruzen would beat her.
Personally I just think powerscaling is the total sum of a character’s abilities, even if summoning is kind of cheating
>>285053717For nardos own good Left or right.
>>285057162Because the mass murderers get hype moments and aura.And FTG is the coolest jutsu in the series
>>285057502It would be more fair and better discussion if it wasn't for increasingly powerful magic eyes and chakra boosting tailed beasts shitting up the waters
>>285057502Summoner specialists, like the animal path, should have been more common. Imagine how much cooler Kiba and the Inuzuka clan would have been if they were a clan of zookeepers instead of the dog clan.
>>285057502Didn't ask.
>>285056885Really funny how narutofags still can't decide between>hard work was only Lee's thingand>Naruto was the underdog all along and Lee was ackshually a genius
Speaking of powerscaling, where's the tierlist anon?
Ninja tools are cool
>>285057514 choosing the blind girl with big tits was an ASSet for this series as a whole. God only knows what would happen if pinky snatched up basedruto
>>285055636>>285055659NIGHTREIGN TRACED THIS
>>2850539336 is Yin-Yang, which I guess he couldn't do.
>>285057702aiiiieeeeeee
>>285057418Tayuya would've beaten her with her genjutsu if her first wind blast didn't completely counter her flute's sound and forced her to flee.
>>285057703>ai slop
Hiashi won.
>>285057685k
>>285054005seeing sage mode reminds me of how naruto learns it, looks awesome, uses it for some pretty cool fighting, and then just starts using his ugly ass golden shiny form forever, never using his sage form againin fact his kyuubi chakra cloak thing is ugly AND boring. all his attacks become punch / create a limb made of chakra to punch. shit sucks.
>>285057703Most anons and myself included will never be able to experience this feeling.
>>285057702Still relevant to this day
>>285055156>>285054594It would make sense and be cooler if each path gets one element in addition to their specific specialty. >Deva Path - Yin/Yang>Asura Path - Lightning>Human Path - Water>Animal Path - Earth>Preta Path - Wind>Naraka Path - Fire
>>285053720>barrier battle artsMore interesting kit
>>285053924>>285053953>he just tanked the giant summonSage OP>>285054005ENTER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFANMLIbmPQ
>>285057865Six paths Naruto with the chakra cloak mogs sage Naruto's look.>all his attacks become punch / create a limb made of chakra to punchAs opposed to sage Naruto do the same shit minus the chakra arms?
>>285056236Jiraiya wasn't in sage mode against Hanzo, that should count as much as Oonoki's skillset being laser based
>>285057900>It would make senseNo it won't because it doesn't work that way.
The great What If
>>285057160>proceeds to have the widest kit in the whole manga
>>285053876It's amazing how hard the Hyugas got shafted in part 2.
>>285053953They talk like retards
>>285056236It is common in Japanese fiction for warriors/fighters/etc. to get stronger all the way into their 50s. Hiruzen was in his 70s, which is when age started catching up with him. Onoki was similarly old. But 20 years before when they were in their 50s, they would still be within the 'seasoned veteran' age bracket and accordingly would have been written less unhealthy.
>>285057514They could have worked out low key.
>>285056571That is cool for fighting a bijuu, but is basically useless if you are fighting a human.
>>285057450Those pages literally prove he did.
>>285057991Minato kills him all 6 that mad man cant be topped
>>285054205It's more annoying how Minato's moveset is literally a copy-paste of Naruto's except for the ftg. >can use shadow clones>can do the rasengan>can use sage mode>even has the kcm transformation
>>285054405Sage mode is still the coolest shit in this manga
>>285055783>t'd take way too much energy to create those that things every time you're summoning them, and Nagato was already dying from rinnegan aids here. Being crippled only stopped him from physically moving and fighting. He still has a fuck ton of chakra to use through the Six Paths so it's completely possible for him to be making creatures like that.
>>285057991Deva Path wins.
>>285057793This is cope
>>285058030No it doesn't because it was about not giving up.
>>285057793
>>285058043Pain might win but you posted the one ability that is NOT going to help against Minato
>>285057997Respect to Jiraiya for being one of the few characters to use more than 2 jutsu
>>285054005
>>285057300The idea for characters like Naruto or Obito was that they have low natural talent, but huge potential reserves.Its like having a high IQ, but being uneducated. Some kids can naturally teach themselves how to do things, while others need lots of tutoring but there are those in the latter group that end up more intelligent than the first over time.
>>285058045>>285058078>no argument I accept your concession.
>>285057991Minato stomps
>>285057991Pain wins. Minato's entire thing is using speed to kill humans really fast. You can't kill the 6 Paths. And their bodies are really resistant to crippling. The best he has is somehow sealing them away, but there's no reason to think that is even possible. Maybe he can teleport the bodies outside of Nagato's range.
>>285058166>You can't kill the 6 PathsYes you can.
>>285057899Never watched Boruto. Context?
>>285058166Rasengans should work depending on the size and strength, sage Naruto had to use a double one to finish off the animal path but could finish the Deva Path with a single base one. Still a tough fight for Minato
>>285058256Boruto possessed by an alien destroys Sauce's Rinnegan
>>285057164Hiruzen told them to purposely train Naruto wrong as a joke.
>>285057162Because this series is centered around a profession about killing people, it's kinda inevitable that at least a few of the mass murderers will be among the most popular
>>285056332Imperfect sage adds some flavor to the transformation. Nardo's perfect sage is very vanilla.
>>285058276>speed blitzed by a geninMan he really let himself go...
>>285057121If combining releases were that easy everyone would be spamming wood style
>>285056332Arguably a better deal than Naruto's because of the two frogs>>285058296The jacket and the scroll helps a lotI also like that Naruto drops the scroll midfight
>>285058296Cope Jobraiya
Is the manga good again?
>>285057793This is trvth.
>>285058166>Maybe he can teleport the bodies outside of Nagato's rangeEven if he can't, teleporting them away into 6 solo fights would be a solid strat if he has the endurance.
>Always thought Mei was like mid 40s>she's actually a few years younger than Konan
>>285058384Your samefagging aside, it still wouldn't work. Shikamaru was able to break out of her genjutsu just by hurting himself. Temari would do the same.
>>285058391Assuming Minato can teleport opponents that easily it should be an autowin for himJust teleport them into lava or a sealed box or something
>>285058457Dumb retard.
>>285058457>False accusations
>>285057899>>285058276Why don't people just do this when they fight a doujutsu a opponent? Just focus on taking out their eyes.
>>285058521If you can stab their face you can beat them
>>285058374>piclol
>>285058374You're welcome
>>285058521That works on literally anyone, except dojutsu users are more likely to be practiced at defending against it and tend to be stronger at a basic level making it harder.
>>285058532Shikamaru uses a flash bang >>285057702 therefore Shikamaru negs doujutsufags.
>>285058008>average southerners
>>285058374Shouldn't Suigetsu noises be moisture noises on top of jobber noises?
>>285058625Would that light bomb genuinely be a good weapon against Itachi, since it would temporarily blind him and make him unable to use his tsukuyomi on you?
>>285057514Right
>>285058488>>285058505>1 minute apart
>>285058669Genuinely, yeah. But knowing Kishi the only way Itachi would get tagged by that flash bang is if>it was a clone that got blinded>it was an genjutsu he cast on you making you THINK he was blinded
>>285058669Against tsukuyomi? I could see it. Probably even amaterasu. But could Itachi still use the Susano to shield himself until the flash wears off?
>At the 2015 New York Comic-Con, when asked which character besides Naruto is his favorite, Kishimoto chose Jiraiya. Due to the fans' preference, Kishimoto drew a sketch of Jiraiya in front of the audience at the event. He stated he felt nostalgic since this was the first time he had drawn Jiraiya or any other character in the series for a while. However, Kishimoto did not remember how to draw Jiraiya initially, and thus he used a person among the spectators who was cosplaying Jiraiya as a reference.Funny.
>>285053933He could, but couldn't do Ying-Yang combined.
>>285058719>52 secondsHmmm
>>285053906And yet it's the only that jobbed twice.
>>285058747
>>285058792It's literally one of the most important Pain bodies
>>285058669it seems like such an absurdly strong doujutsu counter that Kishi stops using them. Do light bombs even happen after the Tayuya fight?
>>285058803i hate ikemoto's artstyle so much. young dudes look gay, old dudes look like bara rapists, girls look like they're 6
>>285058778Sasuketard doesn't actually understand why people say the words people say to him. He just repeats them mindlessly.
Are the elements generated with nature release the actual elements?Like, if someone does fire release and shoots a fireball, is it no different than someone using some explosive to fire a giant fireball or is it just chakra that looks like fire and feels hot?If it's meant to be literal fire, why does not ever horrifically burn the person that gets hit with it?
>>28505837430 seconds later
>>285058892Karin.............
>>285058877
>>285058877It's real fire. It doesn't burn anyone outside of rare cases because getting hit by a giant fireball would just kill you and you can't just immediately kill characters that are important with basic jutsu.
>>285057900The fuck even is Yin/Yang? It's never explained once in the manga
>>285057980Kishi was forced to give Jiraiya an asspull power-up otherwise Pain doesn't look threatening or Jiraiya just loses like a bitch. Wtf would Tsunade/Orochimaru, Jiraiya's supposed equals, do in this fight? Kishi was way too retarded with the powercreep and eye hax.
>>285058876You can tell it's him when the thread quality dramatically dips too.
>>285058876>sasuke out of nowhere
>>285059000To be fair the entire arc revolves around that powerup with Naruto having to achieve it and surpass his master. I think it's reasonable. And since Jiraiya never got into that big of a death fight in part 1 (without being drugged of course) it makes sense he didn't use it there
>>285058036>Minato's moveset is literally a copy-paste of TobiramaFTFY
>>285058877>why does not ever horrifically burn the person that gets hit with it?
I never noticed the giant chakra receivers in the summons. Does that mean these summons were pre-existing creatures?
>>285058981Perfected and perfectly balanced pure chakra manipulation, to the point that you can create organic life from it. Different from Nature Chakra.
>>285058374Not really. The fight itself is good though.
>>285059096For the size of the fireblast + Hidan willingly walking into it, this barely did anything.
>>285059114We're never told. But given that they are immortal I doubt they were pre-existing.
>>285058876>>285059032Samefag, and you're still way more annoying than the guy you obsess over. I will call you out everytime too.
>>285059131Almost like the characters in this fictional series are superhuman or something.
>>285059165Are you ashamed that you've fallen in love with Sakon too? Do you worry that Ramen will get mad?
>>285059051>it makes sense he didn't use it thereWhy didn't he use it against 4-Tails Naruto and almost die?
>>285058981
>>285059115Can you post where this is ever explained in the manga? Genuinely curious because I don't remember any explanation.
>>285059209No.But you just watch what it does - create or manipulate organic matter.
>>285059191NTA but did you speedread the part where it takes Jiraiya a lot of time to build up?
>>285059191Because he stopped his rampage instead of actually fighting him? Time was of the essence too
>>285059201Interesting
>>285059220He literally summons them and goes into sage mode instantly, what are you on about?
>>285059251It's not that long but he probably just jumped instantly at Naruto to try and apply a seal
>>285059251>and goes into sage mode instantlyYou people really don't read this manga. He literally building sage mode for most of this chapter
>>285058877>If it's meant to be literal fire, why does not ever horrifically burn the person that gets hit with it?Fire is probably the most consistently mishandled element in all of fiction tbqh
>>285059327You literally are trying to excuse shit writing
>>285059330Bleach handled it pretty well.
>>285059338It can't keep calling things shit writing just because you don't actually read the story.
>>285058981They're form/life creation things, for example Shikamaru's shadow stuff is Yin release.
>>285059360>it's not shit writing because i like the mangaThat just means you have shit taste, sorry anon.
Is Jiraiya the most controversial character when it comes to powerscaling?
>>285059430The Solo King is.
>>285059430His fans are nowhere near as annoying or vocal as the Itachi ones (or any of the other Uchihas), so no. Konan is also more controversial.
>>285059413I'll take that as a concession.
>>285059452>His fans are nowhere near as annoying or vocal as the Itachi onesI mean, I know he's currently in his last fight, but the fans have been pretty vocal. It's also always the same argument of Jiraiya vs Itachi and Jiraiya vs Orochimaru.
>>285059481Yep. Someone who actually has an argument has never said that before. you lost
>>285059501True, but I still don't think they reach anywhere near the same amount of autism that itachifags do.
>>285059430Not really, there's only one obsessed Orofags malding about him.
>>285059535Holy newfag
>>285059430>>285059529It's not Jiraiya, it's all Itachifags. Jiraiyafags would usually put him in high Kage spots, saying he has good matchups and worse ones. Which is quite good but not crazy. Itachifags are the ones insisting Solo GOD could take Madara, 1v1 Nagato, and definitely beat Sage Kabuto. So the line about Itachi being afraid to fight Jiraiya goes against the agenda.
>>285059595>and definitely beat Sage KabutoHe could. Itachi was holding back that fight since he had to mindfuck him to undo the edo tensei, so he couldn't kill him.
>>285059595>So the line about Itachi being afraid to fight Jiraiya goes against the agendaTo be fair, that line is hard to believe given everything else we see from Itachi, Kisame, Bee, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Hanzo ect.
So we all agree Guy is the undisputed strongest character, right?
>>285059629Case in point. Itachi's killing moves would've been dodged, Kabuto was dancing around Susano and Amaterasu, and immune to visual genjutsu, and Itachi died thrice but people still insist Itachi should scale higher than one of the most busted characters in the entire manga.>>285059631>To be fair, that line is hard to believe given everything else we see from Itachi, Kisame, Bee, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Hanzo ect.Not really. In fact we've seen exactly how and why Itachi had to run at that point. Even then, even if you were to think Itachi would win, which I don't, since he's facing a pretty solid counter, you wouldn't go as far as Itachifags. Itachi can't just be "high Kage" level, he has to be Madara level.
>>285059661>Itachi's killing moves would've been dodgedCouldn't dodge izanami, kek
>>285059731Can you read?
>>285059501I mean, those arguments are started by other people.>One guy brings up Jiraiya's pretty strong>sea of responses going "lol it doesn't matter Orochimaru 0 diffs him Jiraiyafag also Dan cucks him also four tail is stronger than him"Rinse and repeat.
>>285059661He ran because he's a double agent. You're constant cope will never change that fact.
>>285059741Kinda obvious the Orofag is a bit too obsessed by power rankings in a children manga. I'm glad people learned to ignore him (apparently)
>>285059661Are you ignoring the fact Itachi is canonically referenced as being invincible? Jiraiya has no counter to this, you're stubbornly delusional to think he has anything against this. It's basically an auto-win button. Kishi had to kill Itachi off with AIDS because he's too OP.
>>285059661>Itachi can't just be "high Kage" level, he has to be Madara level>>285059595>Itachifags are the ones insisting Solo GOD could take Madara, 1v1 Nagato, and definitely beat Sage Kabuto. So the line about Itachi being afraid to fight Jiraiya goes against the agendaYep. Here's the wild Itachifag>>285059779>Itachi is canonically referenced as being invincibleIt's not even worth answering. People gonna wank it to Kishi's bishonen I guess. I didn't know /a/ had so many gays, it really is 2026.
>>285059764Newfaggot...
>>285059801As always. Very unsubtle. Very cancerous.
>>285059800>It's not even worth answeringThat, my frens, is a faggot admitting he has no argument lmao
>>285059779>op character dies of mysterious incurable diseaseNever liked this trope
>>285059822It's also the only thing that explains how Hashirama just randomly died
>>285059800>no argumentTypical jirayafag.
>>285059819>Very cancerousIronic, coming from you lol
>>285059800>itachi and kisame say they need to retreat because Itachi is already exhausted from using his MSHA. See? Jiraiya is stronger. It's canon!>Zetsu comments how Itachi is invincible REEE, that doesn't count! It's not worth addressing!Pathetic.
>>285059834Hashirama died because I killed him.
>low IQ mouthbreathing posts back to back>it's always AustralianI'm starting to think commenting the chapter pages and dipping out of the thread is the only move.
>>285059886>still no argument
>>285059886The threads would improve exponentially without your presence, please do fuck off.
Wow. Half the comments really were just the projecting jeet obsessor. Sad.
wat
>>285055145The animal path specifically gives Nagato the ability to summon animals (who have unlimited chakra).
>>285056332Nardo also gets the horizontal frog pupils, he just doesn't get the warts like Jiraiya does.
>>285055145Kishi doesn't have to explain shit and he forced animal summons because he has an autistic obsession of having animal mentors. They never made sense, but the concept is kinda cool.
Naruto unironically would have been stronger if he just trained with Guy than if he had Kurama. Kurama held him back. Kid Naruto had 4 times as much chakra as Kakashi and the 9 tails had 100 times as much. All the 9 tails does is give you extra chakra and healing powers. But it also is the reason why Naruto couldn't control his chakra.Except that 8 gates increases chakra 100 times, makes you ultra strong and fast, and increases healing power. He'd have had more chakra if he learned that shit instead of having Kurama, would have been able to control it better too.
>>285060162Local schizo has been calling people an "obsessor" recently because everyone can easily see how much of an egregious faggot he is. Seething posts will likely start to appear after I point this out.
>>285060486I stopped responding to him because at this point it's very clear most of this thread's activity, past the chapter comments, is just him being a schizo with low quality posts all over the place. Sadly it's harder to filter out motivated retards on an anonymous board but it's not entirely impossible.
>call everyone you disagree with sasujeet>get called out for being obsessed N-no youre the schizo!What causes this hypocrisy and lack of self awareness?
>>285060486>>285060539>t. Seething Jiraiya-fag with no argumentItachi chads win again
>>285056312>>285056482>multiple bodies is specifically designed to have no blind spots because they're all covering for each other>haha I make my kunai hit each other and it reaches the blind spots(that shouldn't fucking exist)>Pain could see the barrier jutsu around the leaf village that was fucking invisible>haha a bit of dust completely hides my big ass susanooI fucking HATE Itachi.
>>285060601Nagato was crippled though. It's a half-hearted attempt at making his defeat seem reasonable but I can buy it.
>>285060584You have to mention Orochimaru being superior to Jiraiya to really get him going.
>>285060162Local schizo has been calling people "sausjeet" nonstop because everyone can easily see how much of an egregious faggot he is. Seething posts will likely start to appear after I point this out.
>>285058669Yes, it's just a weak version of what Kabuto used against him and Sasuke
These past few threads have convinced me Jiraiyafags are the most obnoxious fan base...but I'll excuse it since he's currently fighting. Tayuyafag will re-take the mantle after this arc.
>>285059800>I didn't know /a/ had so many gays, it really is 2026.Sakon(OP) is literally a faggot, where have you been.
>he's going all out
>>285060601>I fucking HATE Itachi.We know Deidara.
>>285058981don't think about it. Kishi never bothered to explain anything and everyone makes their headcanon on how it works and then debate using headcanon.it's literally unexplained ninja magic
>>285060616I can buy that sure but they clearly show on the page that it's supposed to be him getting surprised by the susano, not being able to see it and just not being fast enough to dodge it. If he could see it he'd probably just be able to shinra tensei it away>>285060708Deidaras setup against Sasuke would unironically be able to kill Itachi given Itachi doesn't have lightning release
>>285059886>Says he's gonna leave>Sticks around to be a faggotPlease. Fuck off. I guarantee everyone would be happier with you gone.
>>285060720>Deidaras setup against Sasuke would unironically be able to kill Itachi given Itachi doesn't have lightning releaseConsidering Kishi would never allow any of his Uchiha pets to lose, what asspull would he give Itachi to make him defeat Deidara?
>>285060755The same asspull he gave to Sasuke. Oh all of a sudden Sharingan is basically a byakuganOh all of a sudden susanoo can prevent me from breathing in those bombs
>>285053822Why is this dog genuinely one of the strongest creatures in the series? It being to duplicate itself near endlessly is broken as hell.
Jiraiya scales below Tsunade and old Hiruzen. Sorry but his death to Pain is less impressive than Hiruzen taking on undead partially powered Hashiram, Tobirama and Orochimaru.
>>285060755Deidara was caught in a genjutsu before the fight even started and accidentally blows himself upgg
>>285060830Jiraiya-bros...is this true?
>>285060755le izanagi
>>285060830It's funny how impressive it should have been to know Hiruzen took on Tobirama and Hashirama at the same time from what the power scaling became, but Hiruzen just doesn't have any impressive showings.
>>285060712>Kishi never bothered to explain anything>>285059201
>>285060803The sharingan has been able to see chakra since part 1.
>>285060921>use izanagi to reverse whatever happens>use other izanagi to reverse using izanagi>rinse and repeat Is there any reason why this isn't possible?
>>285060803Sasuke's susanoo was able to block out Madara's genjutsu, so I'd buy this to be a plausible asspull for Itachi.
>>285060755sharingans the bombs to attack Deidara
>>285060720>Deidaras setup against Sasuke would unironically be able to kill Itachi given Itachi doesn't have lightning releaseSure if we pretend Itachi won't just oneshot Deidara with genjutsu like he literally did before.
>Sharingan when introducedEssentially slow motion vision to let you analyze movement and accurately guess what their moves will be, also in doing so it lets you copy techniques by analyzing their moves, and can cast basic genjutsu>Sharingan when Itachi introducedAn evolved version that lets him cast a genjutsu strong enough to make you think you're being tortured for 72 hours and put you into a coma and also release black flames that can't be extinguished and burn through anything. Later revealed to basically be a random draw that can give you anything from just being able to control the flames to Kamui>Sharingan when Itachi is introduced againThe evolved version also gives you a chakra avatar that if you get it strong enough can be 100s of feet tall and can destroy mountains>Sharingan when Danzo(and again later Itachi) use itAt the cost of eyesight you can use a "get out of death free" card or a "I will make you loop for eternity if you don't change your ways" jutsuHe should have just kept it at the first two abilities. I think it being able to cast genjutsu, meaning it can be used to cast jutsu at all, is what led it down the path it went. If it was just "I can see your movement really well" eyes we might have avoided all this shit
>>285060969Do you remember that Deidara trained his eye to see through genjutsu? Oh wait, I forgot Itachis is just that much better and he would be in like 3 layers of genjutsu.
>>285061006>Do you remember that Deidara trained his eye to see through genjutsuAnd we believe he can escape MS genjutsu, because...?
The sharingan objectively is the coolest and most iconic power in the series.
>>285060979Don't forget that the MS was supposed to be very rare with only Madara and Itachi being the only ones to accomplish it. Then every other Uchiha character ends up having it by the end.
>>285056100Hanzo was already one foot in the grave when Pain got to him.
>>285061016Exactly, Itachis MS genjutsu, not even tsukuyomi, just basic genjutsu, is so much stronger than Sasukes because it just is. Even though Deidara should know Itachi has MS he'd still fall for it because you can't have Itachi lose.
Obito won
>>285061006>Do you remember that Deidara trained his eye to see through genjutsuSasuke literally uses genjutsu on him.
>>285060930>>285059201the databooks aren't canon. Kishimoto came up with random cool bullshit in the moment without any plan for the system. He had no reason to do it since it made his job more difficult if he wrote down rules, it's tough being a mangaka and Kishi's hero is literally a lazy dude
>>285061028It's kind of weird because Kishi wrote himself into a corner with that, he wants every Uchiha to be strong but they can only be strong because of their MS, so every Uchiha has to have it because none of them can be weak.
>>285061054>the databooks aren't canonThey are.
>>285060979It's disappointing because Itachi was supposed to be a genius before achieving MS, but his entire character is just spamming MS techniques. Same with Sauske after he gets his. Kishi should have kept the Sharingan simple and just had Itachi be some genjutsu genius and give him black flames like he gave The Lightning nigs black lightning.
Why didn't Jiraiya just shoot pain?
>>285061065The existence of black fire and black lightning implies there's a black version of every element.
>>285061062so Kishimoto wrote them in his free time?
>>285061065In the filler episodes when he's not yet used to his MS Juzo asks him what his specialty is and he lists off fire style, shuriken, and genjutsu, which is pretty standard Uchiha kit and it is a pretty decent fighting style but it's so fucking boring to actually show. He kind of needs that other stuff to actually be impressive. Would you really believe he's all that if all he does is "I make big fireball, throw shuriken, and throw shuriken covered in fire"
>>285061073Sakura is so sexy
>>285061094>岸本斉史>Masashi Kishimoto
>>285061101If Kishi leaned into the elements and made them more versatile, it could work. Like I said, there's no reason to not just give Itachi Amaterasu when Black Lightning exists with no explanation, also, Amaterasu has always been useless, so it's not like it matters, and Susanoo is where the Sharingan really jumps the shark anyway...that and Kamui
>>285061130Isn't Daruis black lightning supposed to be storm release?Just make Itachi have wind and fire to make it white hot or something. Or yeah just give him unexplained super fire anyway.
>>285060929Sad how Kishi buffed everyone for the war arc except him
>>285061130>Amaterasu has always been uselessBroke out of Jiraiya's toad mouth trap, overpowered Sasuke's curse mark amped fireball, took down Gyuki, took out the 4th Raikage's arm
>>285061141>Isn't Daruis black lightning supposed to be storm releaseNo. Those werw 2 different jutsu. Black Lightning was passed down to him from the previous Raikage.>make Itachi have wind and fire to make it white hot or somethingI mean, Sasuke creates Lightning techniques. Lightning is the only element that has any real versatility. Fire is just fireballs. Water is either precision water gun or giant waterballs. Earth is just rocks. Wind is...wind?
>>285061115Kishimoto's name is on Boruto's volumes too yet he says it's Ikemoto's manga. It's marketing.>>285061101MS abilities are taking a normal jutsu and turning it into bullshit extreme version. I prefer watching regular ninja shit like throwing shurikens than resetting reality and respawn powers (which in our perspective is a dumb version of substitution jutsu)
>>285061157>Broke out of Jiraiya's toad mouth trapFair>overpowered Sasuke's curse mark amped fireballDidn't really do any damage, did it? Guess we'll see when the fight comes up soon>took down GyukiI don't want to start this whole debate, but Bee left that battle alive, so can't really say it "took him down">took out the 4th Raikage's armYes and no. It forced Raikage to act in haste and take his own arm off, but it did put him in that situation. So I guess I'll give it to you.
>>285061173I feel like Kishi didn't want the series to turn into magic bullshit by abusing the elements too much but yeah it's basically all just the same generic stuff for each one
>>285061208>I feel like Kishi didn't want the series to turn into magic bullshitHe didn't do a very good job.
>>285061173>Earth is just rocksKakuzu hardening his body, and Onoki using his lightening boulder jutsu to fly, or make objects lighter
What made Fabulous & Minato actually able to do perfect sage modes versus their teachers who are like twice as old and started trying younger than they did
>>285061173water had that sticky trap from the two jobbers not too long ago
>>285061235Minato was revived after Naruto achieved perfect sage mode so he just kind of gets it by defaultJust like the Minato spinoff made Roshi and that other guy perfect Jinchurikis throwing bijuu bombs because it happened after the war which had thoseKishimoto just doesn't care
Man, all these powerscale conversations makes me disappointed how poorly the series was executed. I know Kishi is generally a shitty writer and Naruto was basically lightning in a bottle, but the concept is still fun, and the series would be so much better by fixing the few retcons and power wanking.
>>285061185>Kishimoto's name is on Boruto's volumes tooBecause he wrote the outline of the story.
>>285061235>Fabulous?
>>285061207>Didn't really do any damage, did it?It burned Sasuke's wing>don't want to start this whole debateYou don't have too. He used amaterasu and it made his opponent in tailed beast form give up the fight.
>>285061231>Kakuzu hardening his bodyYeah, forgot about that>Onoki using his lightening boulder jutsu to fly, or make objects lighterThis was treated like a kekki genkai since we see 0 other shinobi from his village utilize either of these techniques, but still an interesting concept.
>>285061276>He used amaterasu and it made his opponent in tailed beast form give up the fightNope. You're wrong and this has been debated in the past multiple times and nobody ever sides with you on it.
>>285061260>>285061235Oh lmao Kabuto auto corrected what the fuck happened.Imma kill myself for phone-posting now
>>285061235The more Kishi gave Minato screentime, the more it ruined his character. It was stupid he had perfect sage mode and kcm mode because, why shouldn't he? He was such a Gary Stu and still somehow looked like a bitch in the war.
>>285061303You need an actually compatible body to be able to do sage mode. You need a lot of chakra and a resilient body that can handle going into sage mode. Orochimaru didn't have a good body so he couldn't enter sage mode.Jiraiya probably would have learned it better but he got told that prophecy by the old toad while he was still training so he went off on his journey to find the child of prophecy and to write porn books and didn't have time to practice sage mode.
>>285061303Kabuto was poor execution. I liked the idea of him surpassing Orochimaru and being the big bad the entire time. He was like a discount Bakura where his payoff didn't really hit.
>>285061292>NopeYup.
>>285061323>and still somehow looked like a bitch in the war.All things considered none of the hokage did all that much during the war. Except for based Tobirama of courseThey set up a barrier which wasn't really necessary and only served to show how strong Juubito was. Hashirama fought Madara but didn't really defeat him. Tobirama was based. Hiruzen jobbed to Juubito and helped against spiral Zetsu. Minato slashed Obito and then didn't do much of anything after that except have the other half of 9 tails to give back to Naruto. Problem was the war was being fought against 1 person. Kind of hard to have them all shine when the point is to have Naruto and Sasuke shine instead.
>>285061282>This was treated like a kekki genkaiNo it wasn't. It's just earth style.
>>285061356You can go read the archives, but you've already lost this argument multiple times, so it's not necessary. Nobody agrees with you, move on.
>>285061382How do you speedread a single post? I said it was treated like one, not that it was one. Retard.
>>285053876It'd be retarded if no one else ever developed sensory techniques to cover an area in a world of assassins. Byakugan users have the convenience of it being always available and connected to their vision. That's still useful as fuck.
>>285057999To be fair does anyone other than Jiraiya use this?
>>285061377Hashirama got his wank in the flashback with Madara. Tobirama easily looked the best in the war. Hiruzen's only real feat was taking on the Gedo statue. Minato transported the bijuu bomb, and then looked worse and worse as the battle progressed. It's a shame, it's the 1 time I would have liked Kishi to wank Hiruzen to see why he was considered the strongest.
>>285061404>I said it was treated like oneWhich is still wrong.
>>285061445Wasn't the gedo statue, it was the spiral Zetsu using Yamatos body to create a mini version of that technique Hashirama used against Madara.I forgot Minato transported away the bomb, plus he transported everyone out of the barrier. Hiruzen also saved Naruto from the treeTobirama>Minato>Hashirama>Hiruzen in terms of the war effort.
>>285061385You not agreeing with what's in the manga doesn't change the fact that it happened. It's shown that after Sasuke used amaterasu the fight ended.
>>285061452>Which is still wrongOh yeah? Then why don't we see anyone else in his village fly or utilize any of his jutsu? You're dumb and too stubborn to admit you're wrong.
>>285061484It's also shown you've been btfo'd on this specific topic multiple times, and nobody agrees with you. Sorry faggot, i don't make the rules, you lost.
>>285061558>Then why don't we see anyone else in his village fly or utilize any of his jutsu?We do speedreader. The 2nd Tsuchikage Mu does it too.
introducing the concept of reverse summoning people right before jiraiya's death really makes it feel retarded.
>>285061599Oh? The same guy that utilizes a technique that only Onoki is able to use? The same 2 guys that are the only ones who utilize a Kekkei Tota? Hm. Weird. Almost like their techniques are treated like Kekkei Genkai.
>>285061628He could have used a shadow clone
>>285061628Sure lil bro. Whatever you say.
>>285061657You're coping hard.
>>285061037>was there from the start>influenced entire series>reached his goal>noped out before borutrash>got his cunny waifu in heavenI kneel
>>285061719Obito is definitely in ninja hell.
>>285061628But he was able to leave. He chose to go there.
>>285061628Jiraiya could have retreated at this point and conveyed what he discovered, and probably would have been able to deduce the secret behind Pain. Absolutely no reason for him to go back on a suicide quest.
>>285061574>no rebuttalYour concession is accepted.
>>285061706What do you consider "treated like a kekkei genka" to mean? Dumbass. Everything you've poster just supports what I've said.
>>285061719>got his cunny waifuLmao Rin still loves Kakashi and still only sees Obito as a friend. Don't be like Jiraiyafags and pretend his one-sided crush loved him in the end.
>>285061741When Jiraiya got his throat crushed why didn't Fukasaku just reverse summon both of them out of there. Pain was already walking away.
>COPE COPE COPE YOU'RE COPING HARDWhat makes people so obsessed when they discuss random lore and powers from this children cartoon?
>>285061741Kishimoto had to go "it's the prophecy dude!" to sell it a bit better.
>>285061754>since we see 0 other shinobi from his village utilize either of these techniques>get proven wrong with Mu>uh uh that doesn't count!>get proven wrong with Ishikawa>uh that doesn't count too!You lost faggot.
>>285061743>Your concessionProof? You've already been btfo'd multiple times on this subject, but you're too much of a bitch to admit you're wrong. I'm just not humoring you on another pointless "debate" that you'll never concede to.
>>285061761It's always the same guy. He loves to say:>cope>speedread>jobAnd never does anything besides repeat himself in arguments. He's projecting. He cares so much about this shit he assumes you do too.
>>285061737>he chose suicide Hack writing
>>285061787I'm noticing some patterns regarding this peculiar individual... olfactory patterns too...
>>285061778>Proof Your lack of refutal.
>>285061773>Posts the grandfather of Onoki to prove it's not a Kekkei genkai>Posts Muu, who uses Dust Release, the only other user of a Kekkei Tota like Onoki to prove they aren't related Again, what do you think "treated like a Kekkei genkai" to mean? Everything you've posted supports my claim. You lost.
>>285061808Go read the archives. Nobody agrees with you.
>>285061821>say 0 other shinobi use it>get two examples of other shinobi using it proving you wrong>proceed to cope You lost faggot.
>>285061787>>285061801How are you STILL here? >>285059886
>>285061839>what is moving goal postsLol. Thanks for proving my point. I won. You lost. Goodbye.
>>285061840what
>>285061829You don't have to keep conceding to me. Once was enough.
>>285061840>>285061848>1 minute apart
>>285061853Sorry anon, I don't make the rules, but nobody agrees with you. That means you lost. :/
>>285061848>what is moving goal postsWhat you're doing since you got proven wrong.
>>285059430>can be scaled as perfect jinchuriki close to be>can also be scaled as retard that got 1v1d by HidanIf people ever thoght of her, Yugito could be quite controversial.Happy New Year.
>>285061861LMAO. Figures it's you. You really can't help yourself, huh, projecting faggot?
>>285061870>original claim: treated like a Kekkei genkai>you: achukually here's how it isn't>proceeds to prove how it isYou're retarded. We're done here. You lost.
>>285061871You one but you cares about the useless jobbing whore.
>>285061882>original claim: 0 other shinobi use it>get btfo'd >cope (you are here)
>>285061890>jobbingHe can't help himself>whoreanother word he can't help but use. Who even uses that as an insult in 2025 outside of ESLs?
>>285061909>proves my point >noooo you're copingLol. Can you provide any evidence it's NOT treated like a Kekkei Genkai?
>>285061890What in the ESL?
>>285061890Sasjeet.... are you okay?
>>285054005Thank you for the dump.
>>285053717>>285053720Pain's chameleon summon really does just look like an alien.
>>285061970None of Pain's animals look natural, which is a really cool touch.
>>285057865golden cloak is a combination of nature and beast chakra. if Sage is kaioken and kyuubi transformation is super saiyan, then the golden form is like super saiyan blue kaioken like what Goku uses in the TOP.
>>285055842Jiraiya is their agent who spends most of his life trying to live in accordance with the frog elder's prophesy. In general the frogs like other summons can reverse-summon their contractor to help them in turn. Mt. Myoboku is technically assailable although it's difficult to reach on foot.
>>285061890Are you the same guy that calls Konan a whore?
>>285062043...so whar do they get out of helping Jiraiya out? What do ANY of the summons get by helping their summoners out?
>>285055024you progressively lose more and more control of yourself as you gain more tails. Naruto is only in first tail form during that fight, whereas in Shippuden we never see him with less than three. it's really rare to see Naruto actually switch over to jinchuriki forms throughout the series. Fight with Haku, summoning Gamabunta, fight with Neji, fight with Gaara, fight with Sasuke, fight with Orochimaru, and fight with Pain. that's it.
>>285062084They presumably want the prophecy to unfold in a favorable way, which means they should help Jiraiya
>>285055946she already pretty much knew how to do it, and used her as a goal for the boys to aim towards. the only sensei who put any time into their female charge was Kurenai.
>>285062107How many fights that he won without jinchuriki forms does that leave?
>>285062081>every single time
>>285058296because making Naruto a frogfaced weirdo is wildly unmarketable.now I want Sarada to learn imperfect frog sage from him
>>285057265all of them are based on Japanese actors famous for roles in yakuza movies. Gamabunta being the most overt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tilZPIcnom8some people were denying the 4th Hokage as the leader of Akatsuki being a widespread theory
>>285062123And the rest of the animal summons in the series?
>>285062143Paradoxically this also means the popular characters have the lamest designs since they have to be perfectly safe
>>285057991What is Minato even doing against an actually durable opponent?
>>285061073me there with the hat
>>285062166I feel Kishimoto either intended for Minato to be the leader originally or found out about the theory and baited readers with it as he was revealing Pain.
>>285062142Obito really got the best girl
>>285062138 Kiba, Kabuto.
>>285062219Nobody got the best girl.
>>285061741Jiraiya was just lowkey suicidal
>>285062167They're sentient, sapient and self-actualized so you can ascribe any kind of motivation. Konoha's ninja hounds are treated well and have prestige.Presumably summon animals know it's best to cozy up to a strong power structure to ensure strong allies for their descendants.
>>285062234Nobody's fault Tenten ended up a femcel.
>>285062258Allies assumes reciprocity. We never see Naruto do anything to help out the Toads.
>>285060539it's implied Jashinism requires 24/7 dedication and devotion, which would probably severely cut into Orochimaru's strongly materialist worldview and goals. He probably looked into a way of using Jashinist immortality without having to go around proselytising, realised it couldn't be done, and moved on to his next target. I wouldn't be surprised if it was directly related to the requirement of human sacrifices, something that Orochimaru isn't into. He likes experimentation and body augmentation, not just killing people for the sake of it. Jashinism probably would require he killed people he'd very much like to body-hijack instead.
>>285062287They yoink Naruto away from Ichiraku Ramen without warning because the contract means he's at their beck and call. The elder toad gets an audience with Naruto whenever he wants.
>>285062280Not for me, but power to you!
>>285062304Summons make no sense
>>285062385The dumbest thing is how inconsistently they're used. Like the best thing Naruto could do in part 1 was summoning Gamabunta, yet in part 2 he never does it.Summoning jutsuu also seems extremely powerful at a low cost, yet most characters never use it.
So now that we know Sakon is an unabashed faggot and is going to be posting at a later time, can we have someone else take over?
>>285057070The craziest part of this feat is that Minato's moveset as far as we know includes mostly single targeted attacks
>>285062385In what way do they not make sense? Summoning is reciprocated by reverse-summoning so each party of the contract has a reason to form it. If you summon something you expend chakra and you need a window to do it like any technique. Exceptionally strong summons need that much more time and chakra to bring to the battlefield. Is your issue aesthetics or how broken summon animals must be included in vs battles? Because that does get messy.
>>285057070>i-is that ... an early shippuden Sasuke level feat?!
>>285062509Nah Sasuke is even more impressive since he did make sure to not kill anyone
>>285062437Do you ever stop bitching and moaning? It's been a whole year since the daily started and you're STILL shitting your pants over it.
>>285062482>Summoning is reciprocated by reverse-summoning so each party of the contract has a reason to form it.Some random Hawk in the sky or Toad in the woods has no actual reason to want to form a contract with a human. Are there some animal world wars going on? Do these animals have some reason to need a human come to their aid?>If you summon something you expend chakra and you need a window to do it like any technique. Exceptionally strong summons need that much more time and chakra to bring to the battlefield.There is no "time" sacrifice, only chakra. There is still no explanation, or reasoning, we've seen in the manga for why summons are so loyal to their summoner, and the reverse summoning is a pointless plot device. There is no actual explanation for why these random animals would want a contract with shinobi. Also, can you choose any random animal to form a contract with that would then yield a shinobi version of it? Is every animal contract a potential path to sage mode? Animal summons make no sense.
>>285062526The fuck are you on about? Sakon>instigates stupid drama>is a self-proclaimed faggot >ruining the small semblance of a schedule this daily hadWhy do you want OPs AIDs ridden cock in your mouth? I just want a non-faggot consistent OP. Why does that upset you?
>>285062552>Some random Hawk in the sky or Toad in the woods has no actual reason to want to form a contract with a human.This is a world where other strong animals might invade your territory or ninjas that you might need your own ninja to fend off. >There is no "time" sacrifice, only chakra.Obviously you haven't even read the chapter in this very thread because Jiraiya spends the whole thing on one summoning.
>>285061871FUCK TIME FOR JERKING OFF TO THISThank you Yugito bros. This & that chinese game's cat costume for her are maybe the best non-official arts we can get out of our 2nd strongest jinchuriki in Kumo
>>285062580>This is a world where other strong animals might invade your territory or ninjas that you might need your own ninja to fend offOkay. Now show 1 example where any of these animals takes the initiative to find a shinobi to form a contract with. >Jiraiya spends the whole thing on one summoningRight. He's definitely not spending the whole chapter prepping for sage mode. Definitely spending his entire time trying to summon some toads despite being able to summon any of them instantly. There's always 1 retard that tries to defend Kishi's shit writing, and it's always amusing.
the theories people came up with like this was some deep manga
>>2850626486/10 better than Kishi's retconn of Itachi being a good goy the entire time
>>285062623Based.What actually are your preferences that make those your favorite works?
>>285062628Read the manga you retard.
>>285062714>There's always 1 retard that tries to defend Kishi's shit writing, and it's always amusing.You didn't even try, you just failed lmao
>>285062437I 2nd this
stfu. Sakon is our leader!!
My leader is not a jobber.
>>285062898We are all jobbers in the eyes of God.
My leader is not a faggot and faggots are sinners in God's eyes. Checkmate.
>>285062871>ourI'm convinced a majority of the people in these threads don't care who the OP is. We just have a loud vocal minority.
>we don't care who OP is>so we hate Sakon our leaderheh, nice try but you're a fake. I see through your deception
>>285063001>We just have a loud vocal minority.True. It's only 1 guy who hates OP a lot. Most of us just appreciate the effort it takes to consistently dump. Thank you Sakon.
Sakon keeps winning so fucking hard.
>>285063010>>285063048Obvious samefag is obvious. Nobody cares who dumps the chapter, and you just enjoy the drama the faggot brings, which is why you're defending him.
>n-nobody cares who dumps the chapter>then let Sakon dump it>NOOOO I suddenly care now
>more than one year left of Sasjeet doing this every single dayI know I shouldn't laugh at mental illness but...
>>285062981I concede, well played.
Naruto is the biggest slut bag in this series.>whores himself for jiraya>teases and annoys sasuke>finds his way out of situations with tsuna>tempts sakura in early part 2>nagato and konan>the riakage incident.>filler movies every female he flirts with.
This anon is deranged. Guess you'd have to be if you're defending an open faggot with AIDS. Yikes.
>>285063168>open faggotA revealing choice of words that shows your jealousy
Ramen is eternal
>>285063244I don't think that's ramen. Looks more like mushrooms.
>>285063244I love early bloomers
>>285054227sex change
>>285063168It is amazing how much he loves drama.
>>285063168You're so deeply ashamed of being closeted, it's hilarious.
>>285057746This wouldn't hurt if he were flying type.
>>285058060And about how Naruto has no talent, you mouth breather.
