>>285180317more like shit/shit shit
>>285180317so, how was the episodewill be watching it tomorrow
>>285180497pretty good honestly
The chat with ayaka and saber was kinda cute. We shojo now?
>>285180497Great, many cute girls.
>>285180497pretty good desu
I don’t really get why Jester couldn’t be hurt. I get that Holy stuff would work best against him, but I don’t know why the NPs don’t.
>>285180682Because the NPs aren equipped by normal humans. Not enough HUMANITY FUCK YEAH factor.
>>285180682NP wielded by a servant can hurt him but NP's wielded by humans that just see them as tools bounce off. God is real and you need true faith in something greater than yourself to fight him.
I can't wait for gil to job bros
>>285180720>>285180711So can the Assassin waifu kill him for good if she goes through all his hearts then?
>>285180317>2 seconds into the OPGreatest OP ever.
>>285180711>>285180720Is it a Dead Apostle thing, or a Jester thing? I guess part of the issue I have is that nobody ever seemed to have trouble hurting DAs in Tsukihime, so seeing him no-sell stuff feels odd.
>>285180682Dead Apostles all carry anti-humanity properties. The works of humans simply falter against them, it doesn't matter if it's a pipe, a sword, a cannon, or a nuclear weapon. If it's made by humans, for humans, they can just say "no lmao".
>>285180868Dead Apostle thing.>in TsukihimeThe people who fight DAs in Tsukihime all exclusively wield some of the most high spec bullshit known to man.
>>285180920So that’s what it was. Guess it just never came up in Tsukihime because all the characters who fight DAs are freaks. Thanks mang.
>>285180840FREEDOM
>I don’t really get why Jester couldn’t be hurtAny subtitles readers ITT?
>draw a cute girl>it's actually an old manWhy Who does this appeal to?
>>285181040Don't care.Bro in the body of sexy servant > thot servant
>>285181074Where are the webms?
>>285181040>Jester is actually female DA I can fix him (her)
FSF had 2 good songs already from years ago and they went with a new one far worse than them. Weird.The animations for the OP are great though.
Who needs to sneak in undetected when you can instead break all the barriers, knock out the power, and get into a big fight with the most concentrated group of mages in the building.
>>285181085I hate making webms. Bring back webm bot!
>>285181074>Bro in the body of sexy servantisn't that kinda gay
>>285181040>draw an old man>it's actually a cute girlThis has even LESS appeal!
>>285180868Arc, Ciel, and Shiki(!?€¥§©®£) are all equipped to kill, or END, everything.
I love Saber's theme broshttps://youtu.be/GyzoRMr09IA?list=RDGyzoRMr09IA
>>285181040Anon this is virtually indistinguishable from a regular girl, stop being weird.
>>285181151I posted this kino in last week's thread and got no response. I'm disappointed in fatebros...
The animation was fucking crazy this episde, even better than JJK
>>285181040Old men rule the world
>>285181190Was the direction and animation better than that of Whispers of Dawn?
>>285181040
>>285181166On a physical level sure. But the old man memories, history, personality etc still remain
>>285181166It actually is just a girl, she has a vagina and everything.That vagina is almost certainly lined with teeth but still.
>>285181151Not as good as Excalibah or Nero's theme imo.
>>285181242PLEASE tell me you wouldn't, /a/
>>285181247Anon, Prelati is more like a soundwave than a person. Its "memories, history, and personality" aren't human in the least. It's a signal generated by a dead goddess.
>>285181247Hot.
>>285181247>personalityShe sure doesn't act like an old man though.
>>285181274>Nero's themeYou mean her NP theme?Not a big fan of this one
>>285181281
>>285181189It's a pretty great hopeful theme
>>285181307Yeah. I like it.
>>285181391Makes even Richard's retarded speech sound epic.
>>285181040>No one wants to hold her handBros...
>>285180868Servants are rare in Tsukihime worlds because Human Order isnt strong enough.It is already considered miracles that they manifest in Fate worlds at all.
>>285181501They are not rare, they are impossible to summon because DAAs in TsukiR world are so strong they lower the Human Order just by existing.
>>285181501>Human OrderIs this FGO Nasuspeak?
Has any one of the Servant or Master already died in the LNs? You know, besides Flat
>yae o megurewhat's the correct translation for this?Wander the manifold layers? Traverse the eightfold?
why is fate lore so fucking autistic
>>285181597Because it was made by an autist.
>>285181635And Nasu changes his mind every 5 minutes
>>285181565Yeah. Well, pretty sure it was first mentioned in Fate/Extella with the quantum timelocks, but yeah F/GO is where we learn most about it. The Human Order is basically the doctrinal principles that Alaya uses to guide its functionality, a measurement of how secure humanity is and how assured its future will be. The division between Fate and Tsukihime worlds is its overall potency: in Fate worlds it's potent enough to call the shots, it can produce the Heroic Spirit Summoning Ritual to manifest the seven Grand Servants, and so vampires aren't a big deal. This path leads to the Age of Will. In Tsukihime worlds it's frail and loses out to the "???" (Nasu has never stated what's in charge, only a block of censored text), the future is instead convergent to one ending, and humanity is doomed to die by or upon the year 3000 with the return of the Crimson Moon.Strange Fake is an unorthodox chaos world where the Human Order and the ??? are precisely as strong as each other, servants exist but can't fortify humanity, vampires are powerful but the Crimson Moon is not a convergent fate, and it can go either way.
>>285181642Would
Oh it's Gil in the casino week
>>285180317Is the prologue mandatory viewing before episode 1? I watched it when it came out but I dont remember the details
>>285181687and the only character who shows up in both Fate and Nu Tsukihime is....Kiara who is Nasu's favorite of all time
>>285181898Yes, it's episode 0. Just watch it again man.
What wonderful romance.
>>285181898Yes, prologue is Volume 1 and summoning of all the Fake War servants.
It was a mistake to watch this before anything else premiering because it has ruined my expectations and standards for anime.
Gil humiliation soon....
>>285181941Her anime is pretty high budget too. Plus double EP
>>285181941is it really THAT good
>>285181941all the forced awkward animation and poorly directed hard to follow fighting did? really now?
>>285181999Too bad the dialogue and plot is retarded.
>>285182004But enough about JJK
>>285182004
>>285182028Maybe on planet retard.
sex
>>285181687Thank you for the explanation kind Anon
>>285182068How many more times is he gonna explain the resurrection mechanics in episode 2?
>>285181987This entire season is Gil humiliation.>"How weak" next episode>Then getting BTFO by Nine Lives in the season finale
>>285181995>Explicitly stated false. Nowhere does anyone say she can't be beaten by any servant.It's never stated false. Also I'm talking about what's shown, and she is in fact never demonstrated to be beatable by even multiple Servants, so your claim Gil can defeat her is entirely baseless other than wishful thinking.>Irrelevant. He actually has better wins than anything KD has.Debatable. KD has solid wins in Foxtail>And it explicitly does not. The effects you're talking about here only exist in Servantverse.This bit in the profile is referring to the regular Ciel, we know because in OC3 Ciel stated she adjusted the power of her weapons to match the standard setting, however if she fights Arc she won't be bound by such restriction. Which also matches up with her explanation in the Valentine's scene when she states her Star Ciel form operates under the laws of the Servantverse and alerts the Counter Force, which is why she doesn't use that form often.>Nowhere is this "explicit" and he has never shown such a thingIt's a reference to Buddah lore mentioned in Kiara's profile in CCC. Which is why it's a meaningless statement. His NP is never shown to be the size of Earth.>Arc was talking shit about range and was proven wrong.Which means nothing for Gil.>This move you're yapping about specifically has no effect on humans or living targetsFlat out wrong. Show me a single statement saying it has no effect on living beings.>Those WERE summoned servants, you fucking tertiaryIt was outright stated he summoned them bro, and they were Hakuno's Servants in particular, not Fujimaru's.>He calls it Spot summoning, you retard>Shadow ServantConflating two different things that are not necessarily linked. Hakuno is not even using the same method for summoning Servants as Fujimaru.
>>285181999looked better than fate>>285182031yeah the JJK fight scene devolved into ???? aswell>>285182046I ain't. Alot of the movements just look really fucking awkward for some reason and overanimated like when the priest gets surprised by the barrier to make people fuck off.Though ye sure it was pretty good overall, if only these issues weren't so annoying.and >>285182028 this. The priest getting surprise by the barrier was so fucking dumb. But then again so is the whole premise of the HGW not being canceled by both the church and the mage association wiping the town clean after the day1 shitshow
>>285182121Noticing things like that turns you into a snob and I don't want to be a snob >.<
>>285181040Because it's fun
>>285182155this but for fate* what typing fast does to a man
>>285182155
>>285180394based glad this shit is floppin in japan>>285157189
>>285182178The CIA hiring some immortal shit stirrer for consultation on how to run a Grail War is the best part of the series.
>>285182196I wish. At least stay on topic.
>>285181885Ayacute
I mean some scenes really felt overanimated, but I'd argue it's mostly noticeable due to the weird outlines A-1 uses combined with realistic backgrounds. It just creates a really weird dissonance if you notice it. The close-up shoots look really fucking good, but almost all scenes of someone walking make them look like they're jerking around instead of, well, walking.
>At least stay on topic.
Am I supposed to know what all this shit is? I really don't wanna read 500 hours worth of VNs
>>285182004The forced awkward animation is just rotoscoped that has been traced and redressed as normal regular animation
interesting, Gilgamesh is a bit more cucked and reasonable in this version
>Sawano openinghigh budget indeed
Reminder that Aoko is the most powerful character in Fiction, specifically at age 27.
>>285182293Only if you want to clap at all the references. Also VN wouldn't be enough to catch them all.>>285182307Enkidu is here.
>forced animation>overanimation
>>285182330Nyes, rotoscoping is usually le bad.
>>285182307Enkidu is the reason he mellowed out in his own myth, so Enkidu being present is likely moderating him a lot.
>>285182148I'll do it:>Flat out wrong. Show me a single statement saying it has no effect on living beingsPassionlip ...! No, run away! Everyone run from here, that's the observation light of the Moon Cell Passionlip: It's a special process of event confirmation that overwrites Saint Graphs! .
>>285182293You're watching what is essentially the sequel to at least 5 different works, not just the VN. Get out while you still can. The masses will eat it up only because of "hype moments and aura", but if you actually want to understand what's happening, it's not worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3KCql6XHkGodwano just dropped my bae Enkicute's kino soundtrack.
there's a different excuse given every work to justify gilgamesh being a completely different character
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>>285182255This>>285182295I wasn't sure (even though the DAA walking out of the wall screamed rotoscope...) since rotoscoping doesn't usually look that off by itself, takes some talent to fuck it up despite using it so much>>285182291saved>>285182330I'd pay if they rotoscoped him walking down the einzbern stairs and tripping
>>285182293You should at least know what the Third Magic is by now, yes. Every single Fate story touches upon it due to how critical the Third Magic is to it. Fate is ultimately a story ABOUT the Third Magic; the ability to bring the dead back to life (among other things but that's the most critical aspect). Servants are shadows cast by its radiance, memories of the enshrined dead moving and speaking again.
>>285182380what the hell does that title mean
>>285182377>You're watching what is essentially the sequel to at least 5 different works, not just the VN.It's official fanfiction
KEK
>>285181260Rows of teeth like a shark
>>285182383this one is among the better casesBecause he only changed after Enkidu appeared, not before. And this is a crucial plot development that bites him in the ass later
The fact that Prelati's motivation to kickstart a HGW is getting into one of Caubac's Labyrinth to nab Triten, is a reason enough to not watch this without being a colossal Type-Moonfag.
>>285182413Well... yes, yes it is. Down to the shameless amount of references for the sake of it.
>>285182368The profile also states it's an energy attack>This Noble Phantasm takes the anchor that locks them in place and uses it offensively. An Event Weapon that employs Imaginary Space to open the Mooncell Automaton's window, and fires the energy used for record-locking on a target. Not even the best defensive barriers (including Anti-Purge Defense) can negate this.With overwriting Saint Graphs being a thing it also does. Either way, Protea is particularly vulnerable to it.
>>285182450Disgusting honestly
>>285182439That is, explicitly, not their primary motivation. It's her "bonus". Her motivation was:"holy shit this is gonna be so fucking funny"
>>285182411This is what one of the youtube comments says.
This season better give me a bunch of Tine and Prelati doujins.But I already know all I'm going to see is Gil/Enkidu homo doujins...
>>285182468It being funny is a bonus, but I don't want to look up the novels again to prove you wrong, so I'll concede.
>>285182483It's not gay if it's clay
>>285182483Prelati will be notable, but I'm gonna make a wild guess and say the lion's share of the porn will concentrate on no other than Assassin.
>>285182439Narita should've made Kohaku a Master like in Fate/Koha-Ace. We need more Tsukihime rep
>>285182476Nasu's insistence on calling him Elkidou instead of Enkidu is so dumb, almost as bad as Altria
>*JOBS*
>>285182439Pretty much every character in this is tied to someone or something from another Fate work, it's the least "beginner friendly" entry in the series.
>>285182293It was written that way, yes, but I can assure you that knowing what it means won't make you enjoy the story any more or any less.
I don't understand half the shit people say in these threadsYes I've read F/SN and Tsukihime (it wasn't worth it) and watched a bunch of other fate anime
I'm just glad the Strange/fake adaptation isn't as shit as the Apocrypha adaptation was
>>285182454Why does it being energy matter? Anything and everything needs energy. What comes out of it is a different story. It only targets saint graphs that require proper anchors. As you'll notice, Anki with Independent manifestation cannot be told that she does not exist, so she is unaffected by it. It is a hax, not a nuke. KP Alter would normally be affected by it too but due to means of her summoning, she's fine>I'm probably another outlier. >It'd be because I Rayshifted my mind into a body that was created here. Half of me is substance that's part of this world. Mash is also unaffected.
>>285182568nasu is a fucking retard who doesn't realize other languages are like clay because his dumbass people can't distinguish the differences between an r and an l
>>285182574Okay but it was a really fucking cool idea ok
>>285182506Too bad, I do.Caster Prelati says the labyrinth access is just a hopeful bonus and to kick off a comedy was the real goal. And also suspects that Francesca's use for the grail would probably be something more mysterious because they've diverged.Admittedly, believing anything these liars say is a fool's errand.
>>285182554battle moon wars extra post-game route has some nice kohaku content
>>285182588Tsukihime is good
>>285182580Gigguk said this was a wonderful starting pointGigguk is fucking retarded
>>285182588You don't need to understand it. SF is something you can consume just by watching. Forget about the mumbo jumbo in these threads.
>>285182533>AssassinShe looks like an ugly, retarded little girl with pigtails.
>>285180682They explain it in the novelNP wielded by a human = not effective NP wielded by a servant = effective The priest gives a long explanation how the priest can beat the vampire, vampire can beat the cops, and cops can beat the priest due to compatibility This is because under new lore vampires are the anti humanity, they're 1000% effective against humanity in all situations
>>285182589Apocrypha had decent animation, the story shitting itself halfway through was the main problem.
>>2851823071. His clay onahole is here to help him blow off steam2. He actually really gets along with his master
>>285182588Understanding it isn't worth the wasted time.Also you can ignore the two retards arguing about ExtraSHIT or something since the previous thread.
>>285182628Oh I wasn't going to let that stop me, I'm just sort of overwhelmed how much autistic lore there is to this that I've been avoiding interacting with thus far
What happened to episode one? Is this one of those things where episode one is a movie or something?
>>285182634narita's own lore you mean
>>285182634>This is because under new lore vampires are the anti humanity, they're 1000% effective against humanity in all situationswhere does that place the eternal DAA vs servant debate?
Gilgamesh is funny. FSN about Rin + GIl > Shriou + Saber
>>285182574He did pretty great til the one Master that counters their entire plan showed up. Even then now that they know that a Dead Apostle is in the war Caster can start setting up anti-DA NP's for the crew.
>>285182656>TsukiRe>Narita's loreFuck off.
>>285182638>the story shitting itself halfway through was the main problem.thankfully strange fake shits itself from the very get-go as we go from scenes reaching 99% progress to something happening but then dissolving into nothing happening over and fucking over again ad infinitum because the author is retarded
>>285182666Servants aren't human so they don't give a fuck
>>285182574>names his group after a group only famous for losing against a single dudeWhat did he expect?
>>285182621Well, guess I've misremembered.>Admittedly, believing anything these liars say is a fool's errand.True. Guess, we'll have to wait for the last volume.
Apocrypha's art direction just wasn't appealing to me. It's animation was decent at best, save one episode. Nothing really "popped" like just this one episode of FSF has. Genuinely animation as good as Apo's best.Though I think what'll save FSF is direction. The transitions between scenes are pretty good.
>>285180995Wasn't Dumas supposed to be black?
>>285182714Dumas was a mulatto
>>285182121In this ITT thread anon is asking questions about Jester and NPs even though anime already explained everything. Netflix was right.
>>285182695really? thats lame. Would be a nice way to buff DAAs so they don't get shitstomped, shame
>>285182655Episode one came out a year and a half ago
>>285182603>Why does it being energy matter? Anything and everything needs energyBecause the energy required to contain a Quantum Time Lock is huge. It's the energy to maintain an entire timeline. A full Grail is required to disrupt a Quantum Time Lock.That same energy is being channeled into an attack.Yes, it also overwrites Saint Graph, so that's an extra layer to Servants and the like. But it also deals physical damage, a huge amount of it.>It only targets saint graphs that require proper anchorsWhich is never stated, that's the thing.
>>285182733This isn't a real word.
>>285182439Kohaku is cringe but this image made me chuckle.
>>285182733The explanation was pretty vague. Sometimes I don't know when characters are speaking metaphorically, literally, or just being arrogant.
>To be more precise, it only appeared to blow through him. The rubble in front of Hansa was being had been smashed to dust piece by piece, and scattered through the lobby. What speed, what swordsmanship, must he have had to accomplish such a feat?>The chief just barely managed to follow the movements with his eyes, but if asked if he could have kept up with them, the answer would be no.>"No wonder you kept your cool when we had you surrounded," the chief muttered.>"Who knows?" Hansa answered without turning. "Your Noble Phantasms don't work on Dead Apostles, but they would on me. It all comes down to 'compatibility.' If specs decided everything, the Holy Grail War would be a scramble to summon Berserker.">True, the chief thought. He had received information that the Einzberns, in the fifth Holy Grail War, had summoned a great hero of the highest order as Berserker, using Mad Enhancement to raise its parameters. He did not know the particulars of the ensuing War, but at the very least he had received no intelligence suggesting that the Einzberns had obtained the Grail.>"The Einzberns always go to extremes," Francesca had said. "When they try to cheat and fail, next time they summon a great hero for a frontal assault. When that fails, they make another great hero Berserker and boost his stats as high as they can, and so on. Would it kill them to just lighten up and enjoy the war?">Affinity mattered more than statistics in a Holy Grail War. It was essential to capitalize on the peculiarities of each Servant and Master. Often, even fortune had to be accounted for.>He could say that fortune was smiling on them now. It was a fact that they had been at odds with Hansa, and had not intended to let him return to the Church. >Now, however, he thanked his lucky stars that the priest was not his enemy.
Why are these police cuties (all the police officers actually) so detailed?
>>285180682He is a Dead Apostle, not just a Vampire but a big dick vampire.
>>285182801That's my wife on the bottom
>>285182801Clan Calatin all got official designs and this shit has been baking for the past three years, they better be goddamned detailed.
>>285181898Yes, Whispers of Dawn is the actual episode 1. They just called it episode 0 because the show wasn't airing yet.
>>285182747It literally has no effect on people without them even when it does hit. Some of these being humans. Holy shit, I'm done here. Please just read the story.
>>285182807Dead Apostles are JUST vampires. He would be a big dick if he was a Dead Apostle Ancestor.
>>285182807Arc would like a word, and skull.
>>285182724So, he was black.
>>285182713>Siegfried vs Mordred>Jeanne vs Atalanta>Achilles vs Chiron>Mordred vs Semiramis>Sieg vs Karna>Sieg vs AmakusaApo had plenty of good fights, granted most of them were towards the end.
>>285182574Chubby chocolate spotted
>>285181151Wait is Sawano doing all the OST for this?
>>285182831No anon, Dead Apostles are all the upper crust. There's 9 grades of vampires and "Dead Apostle" is #6. Three above it, five below it. And even among DAs Jester is actually a decently high spec one, at least until she upsets Van Fem's autism.
>>285182831wait he's not a DAA? Since when are DAs supposed to be this strong, what retardation is this
>>285181597The man who started it all was obsessed with tabletops when he started making his novels and nobody told him to stop
>>285182865Why the fuck would you need 9 grades I swear to god
>>285180939It's really not about thatYou cannot fight vampires as "humans"In order to fight vampires you need to use something inhuman It's not because "Tsukihime is simply superior". DA are not planetary class monsters, FSF novel says even beast transformation could fight Hanza.>“Against this level of Dead Apostle, you will have to use consecrated specialized weapons, or possess anomalies like mystic eyes or beast transformation, or be a high level magus, otherwise they can’t be dealt withThe police were using the wrong things to fight a vampire with
>>285182733I do think that the purple prose makes things needlessly confusing. All Jester had to say was>You don't have enough mystery and you're human, so your attacks have no effect against a vampire that rejects humanity.I think this would clear things up for even casuals. I assume the idea behind mystery is well-known to those who watched Zero and FSN.
>>285182831DAA's are even bigger dick vampires, basically the biggest functionally speaking, but DAs are the elite among vampires, basically they are the most famous, feared, and powerful among the "ordinary" vampires. DAAs are on another level, the kind of level you mobilize a country's military to fight.
>>285180658I really hate that outline on the noses indicating depth. It just looks ugly.
>>285182837Arc is in a league of her own
>>285182196>>285182219>>285182291>>285182397
>that Orion designI forgot this was released before LB5 lol
>>285182898isn't the guy on the plane in fate/zero a DA that gets one tapped by a single spell?
>>285182884Arc explained this in detail.She actually got a white board out for it.Read Tsukihime
>>285182801That's my wife at the top
>>285182866If he was a DAA the city would be condemned with his presence.That said, Jester isn't outrageously strong. Even at his best, he can just survive a servant attacking by trying really hard. As he says flat out, it's a matter of compatibility; the means Clan Calatin used to assault him are means he invalidates out of the gate.
>>285182921That was hilarious. LB5 came out soon after iirc.The design could not be further from the real thing.
>>285182666Servants are beings of the throne, they're no longer humanity Which is why assassin instantly killed Hanza
>>285181691Kinda hot actually
>>285182865Lower ones unironically don't count.
>>285182631What do you have against Wednesday Addams?
I think a lot of people will like Ayaka for being the one understandable person in this show lmao.
>>285182765>The explanation was pretty vagueME CAINITE IS ANTI HUMAN(YOU) MEATBAG IS HUMANNP IS PRO-HUMAN, SERVANTS ARE PRO HUMANSERVANT HOLD NP HUMAN STRONG HUMANITY FUCK YEAH(YOU) MEATBAG HOLD SOMEONE NP U NOT SERVANTME CAINITE IS ANTI HUMANYOU HAVE NO FAITH IN NPYOU HAVE NO FAITH IN GODYOU HAVE NO FAITH IN MAGECRAFTYOU HAVE NO FAITH IN YOURSELF
>>285182921It doesn't really contradict anything Look at iskandar Sometimes people just randomly have a second puberty in TM stories Also look at Vlad and Vlad, sometimes multiple "versions" of a single hero can exist
>>285182930It'd have to be some spell for human magecraft to kill a DA, at least by current rules for them which I'm not sure applied back when F/Z was written.
>>285182921Which one is Orion? Because if it's second-to-last from left to right, I can see him as a younger Orion.
>>285182829>Some of these being humansYou realize Hakuno's profile says nothing to that affect right? Would be quite the interesting thing to omitt if it was meant to not affect living beings. That was explicitly how BB Dubai configured it, since she states "only Servants are unncessary to me".That doesn't mean it couldn't hurt humans if she was trying to actually kill a human.
>>285182251Happy to hear KanaHana in a lead role again
>>285182948I'm going to be really mad at this author being a fucking retard who can't into consequences when he inevitably survives the priest encounter in ep3>compatibilityI get normal weapons but a DA nuking NPs is rather silly. ohwell >>285183010 sure got way dumber overtime, at least tsukire was still somewhat sane besides the giantess fetish
FSF Ayaka or FP Ayaka?
>>285182936No I mean storytelling-wiseYou could let it have a little bit of mystique instead of having to label categorize and powerscale everythingIt's not like we even get to see this many vampires that we need to divide them into 9 fucking categories
>>285183043>Ciel's orbital laser>saneNyo.
>>285183043Jester says if the same NP used by one of the cops was held by a servant instead it would work. He's not rejecting the NP itself but the NP wielded by human combo.
Okay this is really fucking autistic on my part, but the fact that Jester called them "bags of blood" instead of "bloodbags" is the thing that annoyed me the most in this shitty CR MTL translation.God I fucking hate CR.
>>285182293I imagine anything vital will be explained like how they said Dead Apostles were vampires in this episode but if you really want to catch everything, reading FSN and F/Z is probably best
>Intro already shows a bloated cast>Apparently there is even more that aren't shown>In the third episode and half the cast still hasn't even showed up.>The half we have seen are already disappearing for full episodes.This is going to be a shitshow.
>>285182885Which is funny because it's stated a rank IV DA can easily kill a single executor whereas a rank V can kill multiple executors fighting in coordination. This makes Hansa one of those rare executors that can fight a rank V in single combat.Rank VI have abilities akin to Reality Marbles as Roa states creating a separate world is a feat worthy of a rank VI. It's also stated a rank VI when allowed to accumulate blood and victims past a certain level is almost impossible to defeat, even if the Church sends help, they'll just destroy the entire city and move to their next hunting ground. Jester is nowhere that overwhelming just based off his current performance.
>>285181597>why is fate lore so fucking autisticTry Muv-Luv lore
>>285182857yeah
>>285183044Blondie is better, and her servant is better than Kekthur too.
>Gil got his key stolenGilbros...how will we ever recover
>>285182307-He has a master that isn't an asshat, also a child which he has compassion for-Enkidu is here-The setting is fun for him compared to other ones
>>285183043>DA nuking NPs is rather silly
>>285183095First time with Narita?
>>285182380>Video unavailableThanks Youtube.
>>285183004Also Kirei inexplicably growing 8cm inbetween Zero and FSN
>>285183055Half of those categories are ghouls or lower. All that matters are the intelligent levels. Basically: if it's smart, it get it's thralls to collect blood for it.Or if it's really smart, it goes to France and like the other really smart ones for that experiment with Roa.
>>285183095And apparently they're cramming 5 volumes into a 12 episode season lol
>>285183101Oh great. Can't wait for it to all sound the fucking same with some shitty vocals thrown into the mix for big scenes.
>>285182588Some stuff brought up in here is stuff from extra materials that weren't in the VNs. Even the monsters in the OP image are a reference to the gacha game
Hasan is so beautiful it's unreal.
Can't believe he's BACK
>>285183044The fairy
>>285182831There's many breed of vampire (not relevant for Nasu talk about), but DA cause corruptions to reality, even low rank can manifest a sliver of parent DAA
>>285183160Jester is a lucky lad.
>>285182589The Apocrypha adaptation was fine. The problem is that Apocrypha is a bad story.>>285182655Episode 0: Whispers of Dawn, came out two years ago because the anime was having production issuesEpisode 1: Came out last year (well 2024) as a previewThis is episode 2. Also both episode 0 and 1 were re-aired last week
Jester hasn't even used his combat bodies in the anime yet
>>285182948>Even at his best, he can just survive a servant attacking by trying really harNope, in volume 5 Jester was laughing at Assassin's attempts to damage him and even Sigma noted she would not be able to kill him.In volume 9 Assasin realized she would only be able to kill Jester after he was weakened.
Is episode 1 the same shit they released months ago or new content?
>>285183161the Return of the QUESTION
Achilles should curbstomp Herc.
>>285183193Jester doesn't really use her "combat bodies" in the LN either. Defense golem is sacrificed as soon as it appears and offense werewolf doesn't last much longer. Narita really wanted Jester to run out quick, so Dorothea can finally crawl out of her armor in volume 10.
>>285183193Didn't the Hassan kill all of his thralls when he first summoned her?
>>285183188>>285183196Sorry. I ctrlf-ed before posting but your post wasn't there yet.
>>285182765I'm not necessarily aiming this at you but I just want to say this is one of those situations where actually reading the subtitles is important
>Assassin>can't kill Servants>can't kill masters>can't kill DA Why is she so CUTE?
>>285183114>The key that he threw away at the very start of the story, which seemed so insignificant, was important after allKino.Sometimes, Gil jobbing is quite simply fate.
>>285183095This would be a shitshow if this wasn't by Narita, the massive cast master
>>285183225Shame they're shit.
>>285183161Would Frodo be a good servant?
>>285182930Dead Apostles aren't invincible, they're just very hard to kill. Not only because they're stronger than most of the vampire rabble but because they're usually more cunning and scrappy. If a Dead Apostle Ancestor is hard to kill purely in terms of being too powerful to destroy, Dead Apostles are hard to kill because they're all basically masters at cheating death. Of course, being impervious to most forms of mundane and magical harm doesn't hurt.
>>285183016The Watcher takes the form of various heroesDespite taking their form the watcher is not any of those heroes, rather the watcher seems to be some sort of living concept that all those heroes have in common in particular, something they all seem to share None of the heroes ever give their name but their identities aren't too hard to figure outRather than a class summoned in the war, watcher is something summoned by the world in order to quite literally "watch" and record certain important events as they're playing out. It's a class that is ultimately neutral to everything, but for some reason it latched onto Sigma for now.Anyone can probably figure out the identities of the heroes easily
>>285183220He has six bodies in totalThe old man he was introduced inThe current formA shota he uses to hide and manipulate TsubakiA werewolfA golemThe original little girl
>>285183234>assassin>infiltrates a building by hurtling straight into it like a cannonball
>>285183161As someone who was here for Fate/Zero's airing, I feel nostaglic
>>285183234>failed to become a Hassan>jobbed to Hundred Faces of all people
>>285183257Icarus (probably)
What is the status of Strange Fake right now in the VN? 10 volumes, a lot of crazy stuff that has happened already, Isthar out and the only Servants eliminated are still only Jack the Ripper and True Assassin?
>>285183265She hates META of HGW
>>285183287Snake boy
>>285182700He has no faith and fails to understand the magic of words and naming.
>Parents so bad that a religious extremist and a barely human child soldier are better
I find it really funny how A1 is seemingly incapable of properly animating or even drawing Assassin's cape. Shit's just a giant black blob most of the time, no depth nor volume.
>>285183218Is FSF Dorothea the same as Sam Rem one?
>>285183302There's only one volume left. Will probably come out this year
>>285183302Welcome to Narita!
>>285183309Musashi(I guess)
>>285183234>everybody in the ending holding hands>Assassin moves her hand to avoid having Jester touch herheh
>>285183281Hundred Faces is actually pretty strong among the Hassans, just badly and deliberately misused in the 4th Holy Grail War
>>285183060it was ok since it at least took insane prep>>285183082>>285183119yeah but I still think a NP should negate that - if it was at least deflected or only the human's arm would be repelled (potentially torn due to silly force) it'd be way better than it crumbling to dust. The way it does right now makes it look like he can affect NPs, which shouldn't be true>>285183256I always had the impression a DA could be dealt with by someone on Tokiomi's level which seems to be the case here with this group, but muh lore updates.
Is the novel even finished? Or Narita is sratching his balls doing nothing?
>>285182930That guy is the weakest DA possible. But also rank III and rank IV DA die if you destroy their hearts. Rank III and IV are also called DAs so it's not referring to only rank VI and up.
>>285183344Some american
>>285183334No, FSF Dorothea is a little girl
The Cia will win in the end btw.
Pale Rider a cute.
>>285183338>webmI fucking hate this nigger faggot author so much
>>285183281CUTE she's just so gosh darn CUTE. The more she jobbes the CUTER she gets!
>>285183388lol lmao
>>285183365>The way it does right now makes it look like he can affect NPs, which shouldn't be trueNoble phantasms are the works of men, and so a dead apostle just laughs at them. A legendary holy sword is no different to them than any other knife. The weight of meaning imbued into it by men is irrelevant, because the meaning of men as a whole is irrelevant. Dead Apostles eat humans. And so he can literally eat those noble phantasms.
>>285183365>I always had the impression a DA could be dealt with by someone on Tokiomi's levelDealt with as in driven off, maybe. But killed? They'd have to be awfully sloppy. Tokiomi would struggle against even other human mages with sufficient contingency plans and lifehacks like Zouken, a DA is usually a lot more scrappy even than Zouken is and he's been in the game for 500 years without the benefit of vampiric immortality. What Tokiomi had at his disposal though was a lot of raw power if not a lot of finesse or high level magecraft. He could blast a DA to cinders but that wouldn't kill Zouken, and I doubt it would kill a DA.
Ciel solos Jester
>>285183382Amelia Earhart
>>285183432Doesn't matter
>>285183365>I always had the impression a DA could be dealt with by someone on Tokiomi's levelA DA weaker than Jester was barely defeated by Sigma with the help of various famous mages.Tokiomi would probably have a hard time since even the Church finds it difficult despite being their natural enemies>>285183097
Do not reply to him
>>285183388I can't imagine america losing in a anime
>>285183453Wonder who they were
>>285183453Remember that time Kerry killed a DA with a gun? Or that other time he killed one with a bazooka?
>>285183365Tokiomi was actually quite mediocre as a magus according to the novels. At least he was well prepared, sorta His greatest talent was just making money and patents, which Kotomine ruined after he died. Destroying and liquidating his investments after he died so his daughter would only grow up upper middle class at best.
>Richard solemnly holding a stickKino..
>>285183508>inb4 Zero isn't canon
>>285183459By the wording, Shirou should be able to hurt them since he traces the legend and history along with the NP.
DAs were not a big deal 20 years ago. It took a DAA to be a credible threat to one of the knight servants. and they had to coast on their weirdness even for that.So thinking some strong magus could deal with a regular DA wasn't a bad idea.
>>285183365>I always had the impression a DA could be dealt with by someone on Tokiomi's level which seems to be the case here with this group, but muh lore updates.If they had come at Jester with powerful magecraft, it would've worked BETTER than swinging the counterfeit swords.At the same time, Jester is actually a pretty kickass wizard in his own right, so not really that easy. The story repeatedly notes that among "average" vampires, he's still high class, capable of killing humans with ease, and in his own words he could support up to 5 servants at once. He's old enough, and has enough blood and mana stored up to be a big problem.
>>285183388
>>285183214Based on?
>>285183513Tokiomi had a mediocre bloodline which meant his family's magecraft wasn't ancient enough to have any really valuable mysteries inherent to it, nor did it have a high level of sophistication. His raw power as a magus was decent, but that doesn't count for a whole lot in the Clock Tower, where bloodline and magical crest are 90% of a magus's worth. It meant that, at best, he'd be a second or third string breeding option for a less prestigious family.
>>285183531Nah, the issue is that it's wielded by a human, not the fact that the sword has "history"They are anti humanity as a whole Anti humanity doesn't apply to servants since they're no longer human
Will the "some aspect of Morgan still lives" ever be followed on?
https://x.com/yokoshimakoishi/status/1701837471343169861Why are old men like this?
Just have the vampire chase you into a church so he explodes.
>>285183508See>>285183381Borsack could have been a rank III or IVThe guy was mostly known for his bees rather than his strength as a DA
Will there be a war where assassin actually do some stuff?
>>285183560>Nah, the issue is that it's wielded by a human, not the fact that the sword has "history"is that the problem or just using the NP as a weapon?
a lot of forced animation this episode
It feels weird to me that based on the discussion here, Rin would probably completely job to a DA when she managed to take one of Berserker's lives.
>>285183508>Remember that time Kerry killed a DA with a gun?Sheryl was still partly a human at the time. Probably half-human.
>>285183563He'd probably suck your dick, but bite it off a moment before climax.
Will the Spider make any appearance before the story ends?
>>285183602These days, yes, because DAs got an overhaul because they were too weak. 15 years ago, Rin would smoke any DA.
>>285183602Novel literally talks about rock, paper, scissors repeatedly >>285182796The only thing that matters is affinity and luck
>>285183602She'd get soloed by the likes of Jester, but we really have to keep noting that Jester is not a weakling, he's probably in the top 1% of non-royal non-elder vampires for how much the novel keeps praising his elite status. Flat and Sigma both take his measure at a glance and appropriately freak out.
>>285183585Kinda defeats the point of the Assassin class, which was one of the deliberately gimped classes the Einzberns threw into the mix to handicap the competition. Assassin arguably got used to good effect in F/SN, though only actually doing Assassin-ish stuff in Heaven's Feel.
>>285183508>Remember that time Kerry killed a DA with a gun?No? She wasn't DA wtf are you talking about? Did you read Tsuki?
>>285182642>>285183116and why was he summoned again?
>>285183557It's fucking Achilles.This dude was famous before the goddamn internet. He was synonymous with the idea of a Greek hero. He's only a single generation removed from Herc in timeline. And he's fucking invincible where Herc has nine lives.Apo's treatment of Achilles is like pretending Mike Tyson was just a great heavyweight
>>285183639Ciel's redesign came first afaik
>>285183616100% neverNarita doesn't have the balls to touch ORT on principle, and SF is too small scale to deal with it.>>285183652What? Kerry has killed DAs in his flashback. Did you watch Zero?
>>285183602Under new rules, yeah, but under old rules, Rin would be more than a match for most DAs. She is exceptional by Clock Tower standards which means she's world class in power and potential. Even setting aside the dagger, she has extremely potent magecraft. The issue is that it's extremely expensive and her finances are strained thanks to Kotomine's scumbaggery.
>>285183635Until Van-Fem cancels his credit card
>>285183602Rin is quite wanked these days so who knows honestly wonder how people will reach to her going Super Saiyan Ereshkigal
>>285183616it will certainly be referenced
>>285183672If I remember correctly, Kotomine didn't intentionally drain her finances, he's just not good with money.
>>285182801Light girl ignored, what a tragedy.
>>285183636>one of the deliberately gimped classes the Einzberns threw into the mix to handicap the competition>He lacks the knowledge
>>285183660As a measuring stick to show you how crazy this war is going to getThat the "strongest hero" is the opening fight in the war and it only gets crazier from there
>>285183688This shit is so goddamn ass, bro
That was so fucking good man this show makes me happy and nostalgic for the pre-FGO days when I really cared about Type-moonMight get back on the novels after this season.
>>285183710I don't really care what spinoffs did with the system, but in the system as described in F/SN, Assassin was a deliberately weak class, a trap for the other masters to fall into.
>>285183670>Ciel's redesign came first afaikis it that old?
>>285183095Fatty fat fat fat
>>285182765He says vampires have type advantage against humans.
>>285183662>It's achillesWhich is basically like comparing copper to pure goldHeracles is three tiers ahead of every Greek of were comparing them based on their actual legends and not the gimped versions Nasu makes Achilles was a guy who got clocked in a normal human war among humans Heracles fought gods and demons daily
>>285183636>>285183739FSF Assassin is a good spin on the original class. She's not supposed to be doing the shit that she's doing. None of the assassins in FSN would canonball into enemy territory like this. It defeats the point of even having presence concealment. A real assassin would probably have succeeded here.
>>285183095Anon, you know who the author is right? This guy wrote Baccano and Durarara. He will be adding characters to the story right up until it ends.
>>285183671>Kerry has killed DAs in his flashback. Did you watch Zero?He didn't. There were no DAs in F/Z. Ghouls are not DA. DA is the endgame for mages and it's almost impossible to become one. The chance is very slim. But mages who research DA cause a lot problems.
>>285183782>There were no DAs in F/Z.anon, that was literally the reason why his mom died
>>285183725Fellas, it is gay to fuck your sexy genderbent self?
>>285183688Wait until people read case files an find out Rin can now use Shirous projection and she can use rho aias
>>285183574does the quailty/type of church matter or does it only need to be a church that people with alot faith go to frequently. Since this is America you probably could trick a vampire into going into one of those mega pastor mall churches.
>>285183759ORT is referenced, Prelati thinks it would be great idea to wake it up.But as mentioned, ORT can't do anything in this story without destroying everything, not to mention it's stuck in South America.
>>285183812>Wait until people read case filesI better grab a chair then.
>>285183635The guy is probably rank V by TsukiR standards.Either that or he's been massively sandbagging ever since his fight with Hansa.A rank VI DA when fully fed is outright stated to be a calamity that even if the Church brings up executors it won't matter. They don't need to lay low, once they have sufficient power the DA consumes the entire city.This is for rank VI DA.
Fate has the same problem as Star Warsthis endless universe is so goddamn fucking tiny
>>285183795No. It was the dude who research the DA. Just a normal age trying to achieve it. Ghouls are failures. Literally trashmbos Shiki kill in Tsuki. Though ghoul can evolve into do with some miracle.
>>285183660Because Gil is popular and adding Gil to anything will get attention.
>>285183744I believe Ciel's redesign was first shown in late 2012. Considering Akiha's 2008 April Fool's design gives her a black headband like in Remake, it's reasonable to think that her redesign happened much earlier than when we first saw it.
>>285183662And it's fucking Heracles. Achilles was a warrior, he did war. He did it better than anyone else and that's why he's arguably the most famous Greek warrior ever. Heracles was a HERO. Achilles slaughtered men, Herc slaughtered monsters. Herc literally made the world safe for man to live in by killing everything that saw humans as a tasty snack. He was the fucking boogeyman to every Greek monster.
With all this DA/DAA talk and ORT, it's funny to think about how some DAA thought it was a good idea to fuck around with ORT and got fucking vaporized by the equivalent of rolling around in its sleep.
>>285183812There's a reason why people who talk about Case Files usually stay silent about the Adventures.
>>285183841>this endless universe is so goddamn fucking tinyI disagree actually. It would be tiny if we were always in Fuyuki or if every main character was related to the 3 great houses but that's not the case.
>>285183812its just a copy made with gem magicraft no?Also i want people reacting to UBW-like shirou being able to trace a vajra and Caliburn
>>285183709I didn't ignore her, she had lines and was there in episode 0. I was pointing out the other cuties because they are mobs so I didn't expect them to have such detailed designs>>285183890Cute
>>285183838FSF is a world where both Tsukihime and Fate rules apply, Nasu said it's an in-between world where there are no contradictions So yeah he's working under Tsuki rules And the servants are working under fate rules
>>285183850In fact, it wasn't just the black headband, but her whole black/white color scheme.
>>285183882THE FUCKING GRAIL WAR, SOMETHING DERIDED AS A TRAP ON SOME BACKWATER, HAS BEEN THE BASIS OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING FATE SUBCOSMOS
>>285183850i see>>285183863Yeah, need to see it being interacted in a tsuki world, not sure what would be able to even come close to the main body without being glassed.
>>285183660Cause adding him to the roster immediately improves sales.
>>285183882>He doesn't know
>>285183925i hate takeuchi's current artstyle, prefer his older ones or even the one in your pic
>>285183889Neither are Impressive, he traced both of them back in FSNWhich means he hasn't improved Also he spends an entire volume naked because of an artist misunderstanding
>>285183841Nah, Star Wars is science-fantasy set in space with FTL travel so returning to the same few characters is a crutch.For the most part, TM stories are set on Earth at the turn of the millennium and are urban fantasy. Mages, etc are a fraction of the 6 billion global population so it is more justifiable that certain faces show up repeatedly.
>>285183422I was under the impression DAs are just hard to kill due to regen and stats, not insanely crafty cheaters like Zouken>>285183412which sounds retarded if you then look at anything the church made and remember that its all the work of man too>>285183453>>285183539I see. I'll hold on till next ep then but if he just jobs to the executor it'll feel silly since it's gonna be a case of 'every executor we're shown is above average' (or overplaying the rock paper scissors to retarded levels in this case) so there's no way to gauge anything>>285183513>>285183558Isn't that kinda misleading - they weren't amazing mages but the high tier gems are shown to be extremely powerful both in fate with rin blowing off zerker and in prillya when used as support
Fuck Rin
>>285183929>the story is basis for the spin of storiesWell yeah, obviously.
>>285183950How'd that work out for the Extraverse?
>>285181247>memories, history, personality etc still remainwe can reset them!
>>285183838I'm pretty sure Jester is supposed to be rank VI and a high grade one at that. If he was attacking the city as a whole, Snowfield would indeed be proper fucked. Remember a few main things: Hansa is an obviously elite Executor (he's a japanese mountain man like Kuzuki, Kiara, and Peperoncino, with all the "what the fuck" that entails) despite his modesty about his own abilities, and he was relevant enough for Van Fem to know him, approve of him, and grant his full support to him.And also, Jester has not been trying to murder at full strength, or else she'd actually be using her real body with all the blood and death that entails. It's pretty obvious that using the flesh suits is both a limiter and a defensive factor, she straight up cannot die until they do, but the way it always works is that she'll be strongest when exposed.
>>285183929Not at all. The basis of the Fate cosmos has nothing to do with grail wars. The grail wars are just contrivances for conflict, basically, the underlying basis is the magic system Nasu created which facilitates them.
Ciel new design is hot>b-but MashuMashu is hot too. Love NTR
>>285183929Fate=Grail war. That's not the universe feeling small, that's the literal premise of the franchise. That's like asking why does every Jojo part involve the Joestar family or have Stands.
Hansa is not only a cyborg but also a mountain child, the greatest kind of human in the Nasuverse
>>285183966>Neither are Impressive, he traced both of them back in FSNthre was a lot of discussion about if a vajra is a divine construct or not.
>>285183997i feel like aoko would do something about that.
>>285183974That's the plan
>>285181597Because chunks of it were written in response to a mecha anime Nasu watching in 1985
>>285183955I mean in this case, I know this girl is connected to the Einzberns but my point was that this doesn't apply to Fate as a whole.
>>285183782>There were no DAs in F/Z....>>285183843Nigga. He's talking about Natalia. They hunted DAs.
>>285183929I'm not sure what type of responses you expected from obvious Fateslop eaters.
>>285183971>they weren't amazing mages but the high tier gems are shown to be extremely powerful both in fate with rin blowing off zerker and in prillya when used as supportYou're confusing Rin for Tokiomi, Rin actually is a good mage, Tokiomi was fairly average or slightly below average. He worked very hard to seem strong when really he wasn't born that great. He still utilized his connections and talent far better than kayneth, and kayneth according to Nasu was 10x stronger than Rin as a magus. Kayneth meanwhile died like a chump without showing any of his hundred mystic codes or abilities
>>285183946>Yeah, need to see it being interacted in a tsuki world, not sure what would be able to even come close to the main body without being glassed.After one DAA got instantly vaporized, I'm pretty sure everyone with a working brain in tsuki worlds collectively decided to just never touch it anymore.
>>285183234Is assassin THE jobber class? Has a single one of them actually accomplished anything?
>>285183916FSF is also a sequel to Himuten which is part of the old Tsuki continuity. Since the entire reason FSF happens is because Ciel overlooked Prelati in the 5th HGW in 2004, whereas in Remake Ciel is dead during that time.
>>285183977Anon, he made Fate/ Extra EXCLUSIVE on the PSP. You might not even know what a PSP is because it's been a dead, defunct platform for many years now, but it was an unpopular handheld that Sony came out with to compete with Nintendo's gameboy line, and not even the popularity of Fate and Gilgamesh could convince people to buy overpriced Sony handhelds. Nasu had one of his patented stubborn Nasu moments and refused flat out to re-release it on anything else and kept Extra and CCC exclusive to an unpopular dying platform.
>>285184057Arguing with tertiaries is a mistake
>>285184072Kayneth's biggest problem was that he thought people in the HGW would fight fair
>>285184078>I'm pretty sure everyone with a working brain in tsuki worlds collectively decided to just never touch it anymore.I mean, in the nasuverse there are a lot of very powerful retards.
>>285184082In Apocrypha they were so abused that Hassan-i Sabbah's saint graph was somehow sealed by the magus association for fucking up every holy grail war they tried to host.
>>285183616There's a concept art from 2021
>>285184082True Assassin in FSF
>>285184082Offscreen in Apocrypha
>>285182307how he is in FSF makes me wonder if he would act similar if Rin was his master, nasu did say they have very good compatibility.
>>285184102He got a cool successor out of it at least.
>>285184082Kama killed Kali that one timeOnly issue is that she could only win with a suicide attack
>>285183988I hope you're right. It would be lame if Jester dies in volume 10 without a proper fight.
>>285184125I love how HGWs in the Apo timeline became so commodified that there are straight up banlists
>>285184082KH is carrying the entire class on his back
>>285184127kill yourself
>>285184082The only way to "properly" use Assassin is to assassinate masters, so it's a bit anticlimactic for the purposes of a story.
>>285184167battle continuation EX is op.
>>285182383More like Nasu is spineless bitch for some reason wants to leech off his young consumers so he has to do these bullshits that ruin his personality in order to keep the brand images while keeping to reuse Gilgamesh. Never understood why he tries to whitewash his image in trying to give excuse that he respects women?
>>285184148This is how he normally is as long as his master doesn't annoy him.
>>285183929More like the trap on a backwater managed to tap into one of the most important aspects of magical research and everyone wants to figure out what the hell they did and recreate it.
>>285184057Borsack is still kinda shit tier though.Also Natalia hunted mages, which some times happened to be DAs. She wasn't a DA hunter specifically.
>>285184167>voiced by Jouji Nakata
>>285182293It's just there for Fate nerds. You can tell from context that its just some important magic thing. Actually relevant things get explained.
>>285184148It's FGO stuff, so I'm not sure, but I've heard he's on mildly good terms with Ishtar because of Rin's influence on her.
>>285184173Well, Faldeus uses his to assassinate his political enemies and Spooky did a good job
>>285182383Gil acted almost exactly as he did in F/Z until Enkidu showed up, then he changed a lot.
>>285184167I still remember this nigga EATING a Lahmu
>>285184194its funny that tokiomi being so damn respectful and bootlicking was his downfall, if he wasnt such a retard he wins the fourth easily.
>>285184057>He's talking about Natalia. They hunted DAs.This is from Strange Fake. Borzak wasn't DA in F/Z. But he is in SF.
>>285184194I would argue it gives more strength to the argument that whatever he claimed, he was corrupted by the mud.
>>285184072I'd still think he could match Rin in pure power at least since the gems worked off how much mana was stored within, just not ingenuity and the fancier spells>kaynethf/z did a great job with him, even if he jobbed to cheatbullets it was pretty clear how strong just the silver slime was
>>285184226I remember when everyone assumed that was a mistranslation in his materials unti he just fucking chomped one in the anime. Good times.
>>285183946>not sure what would be able to even come close to the main body without being glassed.Anything completely immortal like Arc, Ciel or Rizo.ORT's weakness is basically complete immortality.
>>285182074I bet pink fucks like a tiger
>>285180920>Coffee made by human thrown by humanOpps looks like he’s faking it.
>>285184148>nasu did say they have very good compatibility.In FGO that is a common joke, that Isthar (who's personality is very close to Rin's on top of her appearance) and Gilgamesh are very similar to one another in attitude and values.
>Kayneth made VH because he thought the El-Melloi Mystic Code was too lame
>>285184264Coffee of God.
>>285184127
>>285183929NahGrail war is an ancient ritualZelretch passed knowledge of it down to his three pupils, telling them about itFuyuki war isn't the first but it's the most famous, partially due to just how much the pupils fucked it up out of egoIt's not a very well known ritual which is why clock tower doesn't give a shit, but the ritual was passed down by zelretch himself Arguably the ritual started based on the grand summoning of the world, and zelretch just kinda copied the basic idea
>>285184233>Borzak wasn't DA in F/ZHe was tho
>>285183812>>285183876There's a lot to complain about Adventures, but I never understood the complaints here. She's not doing Shirou's bullshit projection, she's doing normal ass projection as intended by the wider magical community: create a gem with mana, spend it to boost spells before it disappears, save money.And Rho aias is her using its legend to create a shield spell, just like literally every single mage uses myth and religion as a base to create their spells. I get the feeling people know a lot about servants, but most of their understanding of magecraft comes from the uniquely bizarre way Shirou does it.
>>285184255>ORT's weakness is basically complete immortality.i mean, it still took a true immortal beast hundreds of thousands to millions of years to remove it's earth so i wouldnt call it a weakness.
>>285184259The brown one looks crazy
I appreciate that FSF allows for discussion about Fate and Tsukihime, even if Fate dominates
>>285184241Kayneth had hundreds of mystic codesSlime was just the only one that survived the hotel explosionIt was never meant to be his only spell
>>285184127>>285184280>Gonna be used to whitewash KohakuI HATE HER
>>285184264He believes in God though
>>285184259she's actually pure and inexperienced
>>285182627>anituber>not being a fucking retardPick one and only one.
>>285182293if you dont know about the real magics you don't know anything about this franchise
>>285184264He has the power of god and coffee on his side
>>285184302>earth i meant heart, sorry i'm drunk as hell
>>285184253What did his materials say?
>>285180317>>285181898I've never watched anything Fate. Can I start with episode 0 and then move to this, and still understand what the fuck is going on?
>>285184148he's very amicable to Rin in UBW too - he lets them go in the castle because she made an impression on him
>All this talk of DAsENTER
>>285184352>Can I start with episode 0 and then move to thisyes>and still understand what the fuck is going onno
>>285184352You can, let us know how well it goes for you.
>>285184352You can enjoy it, but if you watch Zero/Stay night you'd enjoy it so much more and not get confused half the time
>>285184359I don't really know the Dantes lore. Does he somehow counter vampires?
>>285184359>Jobbed to Dumas' tacky house decorations
>>285183709cutei hope some japanese fellow gets obsessed enough to draw fanart of her for the next ten years
>>285184302It was stated Camazotz only became a Beast after he killed ORT. And it didn't take him hundreds of millions of years, the timeframe of the battle is unknown.
>>285184297I mean I meant in general, like Ergo is obvious.
>>285184352i have watched fate zero and fate ubw plus the three heavens feel movies and im still confused...
>>285184384He killed Roa permanently in Fate timelines
>>285184384>All of FSF is how humans have no chance at all of killing vampires, it's impossible>Dantes lore is about how he killed vampire Roa in all Fate world lines just out of revenge
>>285184315ye I remember the hotel floors exposition, thats why 'just', meant to say that it was a good benchmark and good enough to beat the other masters (of both f/z and f/sn) by itself
>>285184392>It was stated Camazotz only became a Beast after he killed ORT.really? him becoming a true immortal dont link up with the lostbelt humanity dying for him and him becoming a beast?
>>285184352This is not an entry level Fate title no matter what anybody says. There are so many name drops and so little exposition is given for stuff, even basic stuff that most other Fate titles bother to go over. By all means give it a go, but don't be surprised if you feel lost.
>BeastsWe're never going to be free of FGO, are we?
>>285184295He was just a mage who made Ghouls with his bees.
>>285184390Meh they won't as once a show ends most of them will move on. I doubt they will ever retain their attentions till season 2 airs which is at least 2028
>>285184416what exactly is confusing you?
>>285184437Unfortunately, beasts were a thing years before FGO. Most prominently with CCC.
>>285184370he's retarded
>>285184359Roasisters...
>>285184423Illiterate midwit, humans without faith can't harm Vamps but those with true beliefs can.
>>285184453no one played CCCand it was kind of just a throw away thinglike, do you honestly believe Karna is a Launcher class servant?
>>285183929Yeah Grail Wars are way overdone and FGO sucks ass (even when it's not doing one of those), all the non-Grail War parts of the Nasuverse unfortunately are neglected. That said, in normalfags' eyes it is the main appeal of Fate, so if you ignore that you're only gonna be targeting pre-existing TM fans sadly (like Case Files does).
>>285184437FGO is basically Nasu's excuse to write about the deeper bits of Fate lore. And his giantess fetish.
>>285184437Beasts are cool
>>285184437Beasts were first introduced in the Extra games, I believe. FGO takes a lot of stuff from Extra, but hardly anybody actually played Extra games (thanks Nasu, for locking them to the PSP forever) so FGO is their first exposure to Extra characters and concepts.
>>285184404>Also he would totally seduce and fuck her, thinking about it a little.>seduceRin would open her legs for the money. It truly works out. I feel like she was going tsun or thinking about his riches in UBW briefly aswell, but might be misremembering
Legally speaking, what's Ayaka's claim for the El-Melloi title?
>>285184302The more accurate note is that "even with immortality, it only meant a damn thing with the help of the will of the world itself, a fellow extraterrestrial divinity that had spent 60 million years tenderly rubbing ORT's shoulders to learn how it works, deciding to intervene".Camazotz alone managed one legendary super critical hit to remove ORT's only vital organ. Without the Malla, that manages to beat it for maybe 3 minutes before it regenerates its heart, stands right back up, and goes back to killin'. The Malla was necessary.
When is it her turn?
>>285184485
>>285184264Atheists could never.
>>285184507yeah yeah, it was very specific, the point is that the Spider is too OP and i'm not sure what would 100% surely kill it that isnt from Notes.
Shadowrun, a literally who tabletop setting, did magic/technology dichotomy best. Magic, a natural growing phenomena, operates by beliefs and how each individual approaches it. Technology is built upon human reason and comprehension of fundamental laws achieved through trial and error. Both shape the setting and add to the overwhelming dystopia of oppressive forces constantly forcing humans to adapt as both advance far beyond their comprehension.To show the picture perfect example of the opposite, I'll point to what became of the Nasuverse. The ancient gods are incomprehensibly advanced space ships from another universe and space bacteria. Also, there's a super computer on the moon that can fuck reality. How the fuck does that work? It just does. Magic and reality are shaped in part by social consensus but people and magic phenomena are essentially code. Humans have a spiritual origin and an element that shape who they are. Special and famous humans become heroes; their beings are inscribed into a saint graph, code composing who they are to the very concepts they embody, and stored in a place outside space and time. The ultimate goal of humanity is to become a space-faring super race with control over saint graphs they inscribe into themselves to embody and give themselves the abilities of uber powerful ancient humansyes, it's fucking retarded and i hope he keeps that shit buried in the obscure corners of his nearly destroyed universe
>>285184521Given the TsukiRe additions to DA lore, how strong is she?
>>285184492Beasts were introduced in PrototypeAll beasts are generally just based on Beast of Babylon and Mother harlot
>>285184389Dumas is simply too powerful...
>>285184543Technically the answer to "what can kill this" in timelines with strong human orders is "sufficiently advanced humans"
>>285184565>Beasts were introduced in PrototypeSomething that has even less exposure than Extra.
>>285184557Full dom mommy.
>>285184521retconned out of existenceor just outright fucking forgottenshe was pretty obscure to begin with
>>285184521If she shows up for anything, it'll probably be in El-Melloi Adventures
>Virgin Hans vs Chad Dumas memes soon
>>285184441it's not a large chance, but it's still a chance
>>285184557the strongest magecraft user who doesn't have bullshit hax, so extremely scary
>>285184486Agreed. I don't think it needs to have more than Zero and FSN. Formula of 7 seven classes need to be changed and rules and lores need to be changed. HGW can still be interesting but changes are needed.
>>285184576>sufficiently advanced humansso very damn in future them, even chaldea with all its very technological and magical far bullshit still only beat it because its heart give up.
ew all of the gilrs in this anime are awful post my virgin daughterwife blue saber pleaze
Assassin is very cute, but why is she so retarded?>"let me kill my master even though he is the only thing anchoring me to this world">"Let me dive headfirst into a police station filled with cops who have NPs!">"Oh my master is actually alive? Let me attack him ensuring I kill myself in the process!"Does she have turbo religious autism?
>>285184623she flunked out of Hassan academy for a reason
>>285184384No he’s the fictional character of “The Count of Monte Cristo”. However the story of revenge and never seen again was based on a real historical event.
>>285184623most assassins are brain damaged, even KH has a bit of a decaptation fetish.
>>285184623She's a religious Zealot from Crusade Era middle east. She considers everyone else a heretic.
>>285184641...why
>>285180995real subs aren't out yet
>>285184384In the Fate version of Monte Cristo, he found some Church relic alonsgide the money that lets him burn through sin or some shit. He can burn away souls with it and can kill vampires permanently no matter what regeneration or protections they have.
>>285184623girls are cutest when they're retarded
>>285184623She puts the Hassan name to shame. Cursed Arm would've gotten in totally undetected and taken the chief's heart.
>>285184637>worse than HassanShe's fucked isn't she?
Did this thing actually introduce anything noteworthy to the setting, or just another handful of servants for an FGO event?
>still no webms
>>285184669Well yeah, she doesn't understand the concept of stealth.
>>285184669Anon, she would probably kill you for implying she's a Hassan
>>285184592What's funny is that IRL Dumas tried to set Andersen up with some women like a famous actress but he was too much of a chudcel for anything to ever come of it.
>>285184641Dantes was real in Fate, Dumas wrote the story basically as a biography.
>>285184641>He's a fictional not real character, he's fake He's a real guy in universe, the entire story is real, it's just that Dumas stole his life story after they talked in a bar once Dantes wanted revenge but after seeing Dumas ugly house decided it wasn't worth it
>>285184677Hassans, plural. They are a sect of assassins, and are the only ones who can ordinarily be summoned as assassins since they are synonymous with and the originator of the term "assassin". A true hassan is very effective at assassinating people. It's just that most Fate stories have the summoned Hassan job because killing off masters without dramatic servant v servant battles is boring.
>>285184705at least it's not retarded as frankenstein being a real thing
>>285184687Game funMe like game
>>285184730anon frankenstein's story not really that far for mages.
>>285182251How do I get summoned by a cute megane?
>>285184677>What do you mean you learned 18 different ways to do the exact same shit instead of getting good at stealth?She's very special.
>>285184650Avengers are not real 99% of the time. They are written or told by humanity. They’re a character who can’t develop past the life they were written.
>>285184750it's still retarded, anon
>Narita had to pull a "Who ever said the Hassans went from one to nineteen?" cause Nasu revealed the first Hassan had no Zabaniya and he had already established Zealot had eighteenLmao
>>285184705damn dumas was a chad
>>285183055Because modern vampire fiction is full of stratification ever since Vampire the Masquerade was released.
>>285184543I can see Arc's Principle in Remake being able to do it.There has to be a reason Nasu states she is the strongest in the TsukiR/Mahoyo setting.
>>285184352can you faggots AT THE VERY LEAST watch UBW or Zero before you start to watch this?
>>285184720>and are the only ones who can ordinarily be summonedNo, the three families specifically tried to force Hassan to be the only true assassin that could be summoned since it was the closest the class could get to a traditional hero. Anything else that class could summon would be an anti hero.People forget this but probably 80% of heroic spirits wouldn't be summoned under the original ruleset or the pre-corrupted grail. The grail was intentionally limited in a lot of ways to only summon normal heroes, no anti heroes, no monsters, no wierd shitThe fact that Heracles material even back in the day said he could be summoned as six out of the seven classes except for caster tells you assassin always "could" summon non HassanIt's just that the three families tried to intentionally gimp the grail to only allow hassan
>>285184787>I can see Arc's Principle in Remake being able to do it.interesting, need to give more deep look at what changed in new tsuki, maybe when nasu releases the damn second part of it.
>>285181300How exactly should an old man with the body of a cute girl act?
>>285183055>mystiqueIn the world of magic as science all mystiques will disappear. Everything will be studied and categorized. Every phenomenon. It's not the case where Saruman can suddenly talk like a god and bend you to his will.
What happened to the GET THE JUSTICE song?
Why gilgamesh and enkidu is so overhyped in here? Trying to recoup that money back from the adaptions? Their relationship in here is underbaked honestly. Even the novel has shit like Enkidu simps for his time with Gil at Uruk then when Gil nearly dead then he turned around saying shit like "WE HAVE DONE GRIEVING" then simping him back in next event. wtf is this writing. I feel like Narita only wants to develop Enkidu but not Gil but again it doesn't attract attentions that much as gil + enkidu
>>285183055>>285184773>>285183055never forget that Tsukihime is ripped off a japanese ripoff of vampire the masquerade in the first place. it's TTRPG stat autism all the way down. hence all the retarded arbitrary rank stat sheets etc.
>>285184824see: Da Vinci in FGO
>>285184730>>285184750The issue is less that one or some fictional stories actually based on real events, it's that it happens so often that at times it feels like the genre of fiction is actually disguised biographies. Meanwhile, historical texts across the world all follow a misogynistic agende that turns female heroes into men.
>>285184824Like this
>>285184760You're doubling down on something you're weirdly wrong about, Dantes is a real person in fate Most avengers are "real" except Jeanne alterYes even lobo was real
>>285182713>decent at best, save one episodeYeah, that one episode was so atrociously shit people remember it a decade later.
>>285184841>I feel like Narita only wants to develop Enkidu but not GilThat is exactly it, yes. I think he originally wanted to develop them together but after that new tablet was discovered and translated (Enkidu childhood friendship with Huwawa) and CCC + FGO already did the Gil and Enkidu thing he pivoted.
>>285184824Like the Kaiho guy
>>285184843>ripped off a japanese ripoff of vampire the masqueradeWhat? It was inspired by different VN
>>285184843What's this rip off? I always assumed Nasu had a contact with VtM in some way in the 90s but his inspiration being an actual rip off makes more sense. Also yeah, Crimson Moon to TA to DAA is literally just Cain to his childe to the antedeluvians complete with the third gen killing the second gen.
11 months for second episode... but i think i remember
>>285184858Speaking of AvengersI'm still annoyed that Kriemhild is a Berserker because of Higashide's retarded changes to the Nibelungenlied
>no anime yet for the best Fate on going
Remember when Arc was in a VtM VN?
>>285184855>deliberately acts cute What kind of ojisan would do that?
>>285184910i'm annoyed berserker now means you're weird and not a shrieking tard raged monster
>>285184930what the hell is that
>>285184928Her entire story is about avenging Siegfried
>>285184896Nasu doesn't even know english anon. Tsukihime was made before the existence of modern internet and VtM wasn't even translated in japaense back in 90s. Mahoyo was inspired by NGE.
>>285184352You can but you shouldn't. At least watch F/sn UBW, F/sn HF and Zero beforehand. This show has tons of references, but none are plot critical.
>>285184592>>285184701Out of all the FSF servants I'd want in FGO, I think it would be Dumas just to see him react with so many of the others.
>>285184951>What made Jack weird in the April Fool's was that he was a Berserker that wasn't berserk>Now that's the average Berserker
>>285184521Is she stronger than Touko?
>>285184824Exactly like Leonardo Da Vinci, who in FGO put his consciousness into a female body modeled on the Mona Lisa. He's one of the only examples of a male servant that is summoned female NOT because of a gender-bend but because he actually switched his body out deliberately. Originally he was an adult, absurdly busty woman version, but that body got impaled by Rasputin (who looks and acts exactly like Kirei Kotomine, don't ask) and so he dumped his consciousness into a backup loli body that is a 100% improvement in every way.
>>285184986fateslopiffication
>>285184982>Yo, Hans, long time no see, still a virgin?
/fgo/ taking control over /a/ once again
We love old men here
>>285184969Nasu is autistic enough that I wouldn't be surprised if he was in contact with people who translated western RPGs in the 90s. And that still doesn't explain how similar DA's lore is to Cainites' lore.
>>285184868People still think Karna vs Sieg was great though?
>>285185007>yes, but now there is a whore wanting me to fuck her
>>285184082
>>285184999>every Berserker is just same ungabunga angry berserker slop
>>285184931Come on, Hibiki, you've seen old men turned into girls
>>285184687As far as wider lore is concerrned not really. The story was just good though.
>>285185046cope, seethe, and dilate curry shit slop eater
>>285185039anon he lost to kirei of all people.
>>285185056>y-you're not allowed to use your masters help!sounds like cope
>>285185024>translated western RPGs in the 90sCome on anon. This isn't possible. Back in those days we didn't even have MTL (real). Oh god remember ATLAS times?
>>285185037>Back in Tmitter Dumas wanted to fuck Kiara
>>285185018I love the way Bakin speaks, which just so happens to be the exact way you'd expect an old man to speak.
>>285185064>This post is extremely low qualityI won.
>>285184841The strongest and oldest heroes
Counting both Ayaka and Sigma, how would you rank the Fate MCs from most to least autistic?
>>285185024>And that still doesn't explain how similar DA's lore is to Cainites' lore.Is it really? If anything Type Moon vampires are thematically closer to WoD werewolves, being agents of Gaia and all. The true ancestors, at the very least, but the DAA and their offshoots inherit a lot from that.
>>285185002>>285185002
>>285185130>linking threads
>>285184691I like her. How do the translations rate on a scale of Duwang?
Will anyone ever care about this anime adaption once the season 2 can land around 2028 at least? I feel like it will be commercial flop
>>285184687We got a bunch of info on main Mushashi as well as new mysterious character (the swordsman from Iori's backstory)
>>285185125>mfw Roa is the Bloody Man
>>285185014Don't worry nobody will talk about it after next episode
>>285185170>commercial flopoh no how will Type-Moon recover? this anime probably cost them 0.0001% of FGO's profits
>>285185125There's is a similarity to the garou but Crimson Moon (Cain) creating the True Ancestors (second gen) who then creates the Dead Apostles (antedeluvians) who in turn betray their creators is way too similar to be a mere coincidence especially given the timeline of releases and how so much of vampire fiction from the late 90s and early 2000s was heavily influenced by VtM.
>>285185168>How do the translations rate on a scale of Duwang?You have no alternatives. It's better than F/Z's translation that was JP > CH > EN baka tsukiI don't even know english.
>>285185253>You have no alternatives.Except newest claude and gemini are available for free as much as you want. lol
>>285185249>fiction from the late 90s and early 2000s was heavily influenced by VtM.Pretty sure everything already existed in books before VtM.
>>285184688did new captcha kill the webm poster? It feels like all threads I've been in this season were webmless
>>285185275
>>285185034Anyone that thinks so can immediately be disregarded as an absolute retard.
>>285185330Being contrarian isn't personality.Karna vs Sieg is kino.
>>285185313Sad!
>>285185287That's true but VtM did consolidate a lot of vampire fiction tropes at the time and there's a bunch of writers from that era who straight up admitted how much it influenced them.
>>285180317Francesca is extremely distracting considering she looks like she needs rape correction every frame she’s on screen
>>285185355kill yourself
>>285181040To my dick
>>285184870Meh i don't think he intentionally wanted to develop both of them but only Enkidu. He needs a familiar face to boost the sales and make people care so he added gil in. If he wanted to do it then their relationship wouldn't have had been that underbaked My friend said the same to me that it must be that fgo already did them so narita lacks ideas.
>>285184855Literally who
>>285185326I understand time is hard to follow but apparently it's been years since the first episode of this aired (wtf how). And similarly we find ourselves in 2026, where LLMs are actually good.
>>285185055Would nakadashi Cag
But these gilgamesh fangirls for some reason always like his Ubw/hf versions than Zero/fsn version? Fsf is similar to Zero more so that's why they don't like it that much? Ubw/hf him is boring and he got drawn like frat boy which kills off his true flashy versions honestly.
>>285184838Hopefully an insert song
If zelretch was a pupil of Solomon, why is he so much stronger than him? Why did Solomon throw everything away back at God?
>>285186521Zelretch is one of the few people who touched the Root and achieved True Magic.
>>285185007Isn't Hans proud of it?
>>285186521>why is he so much stronger than him?Are you kidding? Not a single user of magecraft in all of human history can oppose Solomon.
>>285186832>Not a single user of magecraftZelretch is a Magician
>>285187031Cool. That lets him run away from Solomon as much as he likes, it doesn't give him a chance at defeating shishou.
i feel like the hypes for this thing and for fate ip in general have been drained out for stalling the ip and this anime adaption too much for like 2-3 years already to make more money from fgo
