Just reread it, and I feel like I could easily reread it again immediately. I feel like it's a bit difficult to really pinpoint why I like it so much. It might be that it has 'just' enough realism to make it interesting, but not too much that it feels like the author is trying to fight against or downplay the fantastical bits. This goes for character interactions as well.
>>285661552I feel the same. It's like the mangaka took her job seriously. You never get the feeling that she was thinking "this is just dumb" while writing it, like you can tell with many other mangaka.
>>285661552It’s so good, I don’t see how Freiren blew up so much more than this
>>285661552I reread it like 5-6 times already. My urge to reread stopped after I memorized most of the story
>>285661552If you haven't already, check out the Adventurer's bible and Ryoko Kui's artbook, they're excellent.
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>>285662164I HATE IT
>>285661552It's just refreshing to see a fantasy story that seems written by someone who studied zoology and natural science rather than play videogames
>>285661552Because the manga is well thought out and every element is believable within the setting. My immersion is never broken.
>>285662500It has a bit of that Japanese ultra-respect for authority that would be a bit out of place in a European-style setting, but its not as bad as in other works. I still laugh my ass off when in Frieren they were like "you need to be certified to travel this region." Bitch, she killed the Demon King. It's the joke from One Punch Man but played straight.
>>285662329>rather than play videogamesI get what you're saying, but it's funny because we know that the mangaka plays a lot of games.
>>285662823Playing games is not the issue. The issue is having so little knowledge and life experience that you need to write a story forcefully incorporating videogame mechanics.
>>285662078I've always thought they tend to overreact a bit to his eccentricities. Like, the suggestion to scatter his corpse around should be met with "dude, that's really morbid," not storming off.
>>285661772Frieren is more accessible for normalfags, most people become uninterested the instant they see it's about fantasy cooking before even watching ep1/reading ep2
>>285663945*Reading ch1
>>285663742Their issue isn't that it's morbid, it's that he seems to like the idea beyond "I think this will work"
Laois should've kept Thistle around as a cock warmer
>>285664166I maintain that they are overreacting. They look downright traumatized.
>>285662823She's an elf-fag and that's OK.
Read Tower Dungeon in the meantime.
>>285661772Popularity isn't particularly fair or quality-based. And lamenting over it or making the comparison is a bitch move
This is a good thread. Can we use it to talk about other fantasie series as well?
>his waifu poopscouldnt be mine
>>285661552It's kinda trash, and you can feel the western left-wing cancer creep in.
>>285662889The worst is when the author has clearly never played a video game and includes video game mechanics in their manga. Basically every isekai in an MMORPG anime.
>>285661552>No rape >no drama>no danger (characters cn get resurrected)>foofie pornBored me to tears....
>>285662823How did this dork make the best fantasy manga?
>>285665121Tower Dungeon is just weird and not fun for me. I prefer Goblin Slayer and Blade & Bastard and I know that storywise they're cheap and far from great but I do like the adventures the characters get into.
>>285665611Man, I caught up on this one and forgot about it. Doesn't help that it as so damn hard to read, going through like 3 layers of translation. Is it still going? Last I remember, he just got out of the weird hive-mind fish cave.
>>285661772why do you consolewar apes feel the need to lament over one of these manga whenever there's a thread about the other?
>>285665924normalfag
>>285661552>great world building>well-paced, self-contained chapters with witty comedy>likeable characters>good art>a larger plot that overrides the episodic nature of the first half which adds to the story and characters instead of ruining the formula that the series relied onThey're my immediate thoughts. It's a very polished, well-executed manga.
>>285661772They're different enough and both are passion projects from their respective studios.
>>285666036What? Normalfags are the ones who hate these series because they don't like rape and fanservice.
>>285662078>I wasn't listeningI love Izu
>>285664699Because it's always the same shit. They don't adjust to "good ol' Laios" levels. It's a continued exasperation because he keeps being a weirdo despite them repeatedly trying to shame him into being normal.They don't want to accept weirdo king. They want normal wizened up king with eccentricities in his youth. "Fuck why do we have to keep dealing with this."In a way, you could call them learning resistant. I'd call them optimistic to delusional degrees.
>>285661772Animation quality.That's pretty much all that matters to normalfags, and Frieren is objectively better in that regard, even as a long time Dungeon Meshi fan.
>>285665944>Is it still going?I think so, the scanlations got nuked during the mangadex purge but the volumes are getting licensed now.
>>285665758>no rapeDid you miss the parts with Thistle and Mithrun?
>>285662078What was striking to me about those books was just how much crafting went on and kept going on behind the scenes of what's presented in the main story. You get a sense that Kui really loves the characters and worldbuilding. Even with all the game influences you can tell she also built things around real world animal biology and cuisine. And all the extra character materials shows a lot of care. Stuff like >>285663560 doesn't really have any purpose in the main story. A lot of these interactions would never happen there. But it tells a lot about what makes each character distinct.
>>285661874Same. I've reread it about a dozen times. Its a full course meal as a story that has everything. Lighthearted and serious when it needs to be without being overbearing.
>>285667994Honestly though, you could argue the supplemental content is something of a flaw. The Canaries, for instance, can seem like somewhat non-characters if you don’t read the Adventure Bible after volume 10 (and with the complete edition, this becomes more dubious). But on the other hand, trying to include that stuff in the main story would’ve led to bloat, when the fairly brisk pacing is one of the highlights.
>>285661552Masterpiece. Marcille best elf.
>>285661772>Dungeon Meshitakes world building seriously and blends in inspiration from DnD to color an intriguing premise without showing its hand >Frierentired video game tropes almost bordering on 4th wall breaking hamfistedness. The guy named EVIL FAST MAN in German is in fact EVIL and can move VERY FAST. WowowowFrieren has mass appeal because you don't have to fucking think. You read the word Warrior? you know what class it is and what its supposed to do. Dwarves are stout and strong and live longer than humans. Elves live very long. Mage, Warrior, Priest party. -thumbs up- xD. It's fucking niggercattle entertainment and I refuse to be convinced otherwise.
Is it actually the best fantasy manga or are you guys bullshitting as you f/a/gs usually do?
>>285669363>>Frieren>tired video game tropes almost bordering on 4th wall breaking hamfistedness. The guy named EVIL FAST MAN in German is in fact EVIL and can move VERY FAST. Wowowow>Frieren has mass appeal because you don't have to fucking think. You read the word Warrior? you know what class it is and what its supposed to do. Dwarves are stout and strong and live longer than humans. Elves live very long. Mage, Warrior, Priest party. -thumbs up- xD. It's fucking niggercattle entertainment and I refuse to be convinced otherwise.Siggity Seethe. If DM was truly good it'd be #1. Don't hate on Frieren just cause you don't like it, just move on.
>>285670125I can't say I'm super well-versed in the straight fantasy genre (I tend to lean Urban Fantasy), but it's very good. If you haven't read it, I'd just go ahead and do it.
>>285670125Exaggerating, maybe. Bullshitting, no.
>>285670125It really depends on what you're looking for. Dungeon Meshi has a lot of well woven world building and character moments, but it's also heavily tied into the way Kui writers her stories. I really appreciate it and it's very strong either way, but it's got a different tone than people may be expecting from a "fantasy story."
>>285667994>worldbuildingI get the impression that she just can't help herself.
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>>285665611>>285665944>>285667697Idiots, the new volume is being dumped RIGHT NOW>>285664545
>>285671204Appreciate the dump. After I finished DM last year, I went and read all of Kui's stuff that I could find, I remember this.
>>285670125It's not a position I would hold, but if someone told me that I wouldn't really argue against it either. It has a lot of things going for it.
>>285670125Best is subjective, but this might be a strong candidate in most people's list. Reading it throughout it's entire serialization together with /a/ was a rare treat and a pleasure.
>>285670125/tg/ liked it so much they storytimed it alongside /a/, their threads were better too
>>285671219WHAT
>>285671219>IdiotsRUDE
>>285661552It's a well thought-out manga. I was only expecting some silly cooking adventure and not some crazy shit behind the dungeon. That dullahan page is one of my favorite page in this manga.
>>285670125I don't think there's any way to objectively measure what's best, but yes.
>>285671144Long hair just swooping in out of nowhere and disappearing at the end is clearly Kui
>>285661772the overall adaptation of frieren was just much better. the type that elevates the source materialmeshi just got an ok adaptation. not bad but not great either. it kinda sucks, but the manga is 10/10 so you can always fall back to it, whereas frieren is 6/10 at best.
>>285671204Kui is just an amazing story teller.
>>285663742They're not storming off because of that. The joke is that they're leaving in the middle of him trying to explain why things are fine because they weren't paying attention: they were too shocked by his revelation that his biggest wish, the one the Demon cursed him not to experience, is just that he wanted to be eaten by animals.It's like the bit where they were trying to figure out how to tell him that his greatest wish was probably not that Falin would be recovered. Only here, it's Laios once again making them realize how much they underestimated his weirdness and leaving in a huff over getting so invested in things.
>>285661552It's overall a very honest manga, which is not something you see very often in the genre. Feels like every fantasy story is obligated to be self-aware and tongue-in-cheek, and make everything into hackeneyed concepts.Dungeon Meshi takes itself seriously and is also creative in its approach to fantasy stuff, that's why it stands out. It also has a central theme, which I feel most modern stories lack.
>>285670125I'd have to have read every fantasy manga ever to say for sure. But it's definitely way up there.
>>285669014I think it's a good compromise.By having so much supplemental content, you get as much out of the story as you want.Not too bloated or barebones.
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>>285665805Because she's a dork. She knows her stuff.
>>285670125Dungeon Meshi is the best fantasy mangaUnsounded is the best fantasy comic Women are good for one thing only, and it's creative arts
The author easily could have pulled a ‘magic went away’ ending due to eating the demon, but she didn’t, and I appreciate it for that. The only thing that really broke down were man-made dungeons, right?
>>285670125I don't know if it's the best since Fantasy is such a broad descriptor, but it's an expertly crafter story made with care and love, and should be treated as a piece and not as content
>>285670125There are a lot of fantasy manga. Technically natsume or berserk are fantasy, basically any not grounded manga is fantasy. With that in mind, yeah its one of the best
>>285661772Because Frieren is based, DM is for outsiders.
>>285678709Sorry, I meant to say tourists, DM is for people that dislike anime, and lately people are siding more with based stuff like Frieren.
>>285678496Pretty much, but even then it's likely to be more like they shift to a lower level of mana sustainability. Perhaps more elaborate than the natural dungeons, but below the "has an immortality curse on all inside it." In fact, it might not even be that. Laios ate the CONCEPT of Mana having desire, so it might be that it's now LESS intrinsically dangerous to use it for things.Which might be very bad! If it means they can now "safely" open more doorways to power even crazier, more powerful magical "devices." But the way the Queen puts it does imply that the truly insane potential of magic has been cut off, so it's probably closer to the first idea of "there's still magic, but you can't get the kind of concentrations needed for the True Dungeons."
>>285678772It's the exact opposite: DM is for elite patricians with refined tastes. It's had dedicated, hardcore readers for ages, long before Frieren was known for shit. The kind of posters who've read and watched a lot, and not only that, but have a desire to plumb the depths of stories more completely. Frieren is for tourists: the unwashed masses who just go "wow, cool anime, hey have you seen this cool show called Ghost in the Shell?" The people who don't engage with the medium enough to have more nuanced interests or a deeper level of interest in the stories and work.Not that this makes Frieren bad or DM good, but just that it's clear Frieren's audience is found among the general, casual readership and Dungeon Meshi's audience has always been the more niche and dedicated one.
>>285661772Native isekai are always very popular
>>285678837Well, spirits generate mana as part of their physiology, and there are whole food chains supporting them. It'd be like making midichlorians extinct.
>>285670125Being the best is subjective, but it IS extremely good and a lot better than Frieren
>>285662078funny.png
>>285679231>It'd be like making midichlorians extinct.I'd play that campaignI would like to be personally responsible for their removal
>>285670125this and magus of the library for me
>>285662078Will our boy Kabru ever find peace?
>>285679805Kreia, I knew I recognized your old lady stench. Don't you have some hobos to drop money on before kicking them in the nuts?
>>285679877Man made himself Laios's chief of staff. Fucker has no one to blame but himself any more.
Is the author not doing anymore series? Man, It sucks when good manga like this ends and the author go MIA
>>285680168Be nice if we got some anthologies again. Those were pretty great.Another ongoing would, obviously, be ideal, but I'd be happy with either frankly.
>>285680120they did her so dirty in TOR>no nuance>no confronting contradictions>the person critical of both mainstream parties was actually unambiguously was aligned with one of those parties>only binaries
>>285680811I wonder how Avellone feels about that.
>>285665805Because she has a genuine fondness of it instead of what everyone else which is use it as a template or bend it to fit their personal fantasy.
>>285662078>I wasn't listening.She's literally me.
>>285670125Sengoku Youko is by far the best fantasy manga i've ever read because it's written by an adult man with a nuanced handling of psychology who has something to say regarding life and growth in a positive manner, which is insanely rare for this medium. But i can easily rate DM in top 5 at least. Maybe top 3.
>>285661772Frieren flows much better as a show, it's very easy to watch right from the first episode. Getting into Dungeon Meshi requires more attention and patience.
>>285683058They do different things, even being the same genre. Frieren is mostly about having laid back adventures in the country side and contemplating on life and relationships. Minus the arc in which is turns into HunterXHunter for a bit; man, fuck that magic exam bs. DM is a specific adventure with a clear objective that keeps upping the stakes and juggles comedy with some pretty horrific shit. And has, imo, a bit more of thought and soul put into it.
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>>285678885Based
>>285683058True, the episodic parts are a hit or miss for casuals. Surprised bebop is so popular, probably thanks to adult swim
>>285661772Animation fidelity and the plot takes a bit more time to pick for Meshi. You get the impression that it's more of an episodic series if you watch it blind until the dragon.
why is chuck such a hater
>>285685002Manlet rage.
>>285685002Tade is such a good girl
>>285685002Izutsumi...
>>285685002You have to remember Chilchuck is a middle aged, grumpy sergeant stuck in a cute little boy body. He's probably got the most stereotypical personality of the cast, one right out of a cliche, but the trick is he looks like a cute hobbit so people don't realize it.
>>285671204Always a banger when I reread this. Ratbros our time will come.
>>285687748Moledavia will welcome rats as workers in mole-mines.
>>285661552The only problem I have with the series is that the art feels too "TMBLR", like you can clearly see the mangaka was influenced by the worst kind of American art, the art does get a lot better in later volumes, but you can still see the influence in stuff like noses and some of the non major/supporting women's designs, I do think that the backcovers look cool and maybe the art would look better with color, Trigger's adaptation changing the characters' look and size on every single frame and never keeping them on model doesn't help either, I know why they do it but still feels lazy I did bought a bunch of volumes since the manga was only at 8 dollars per volume in my country
>>285685002Ranked mean scores by leader:>Tansu: 97.5>Shuro: 84.5>Kabru: 81.4>Laios: 76>Gillin: 72>Mithrun: 66.75However, there is some clear bias coming through. Therefore, family members (Mrs. Tansu, Kaka, Kiki, Falin) will be removed, as will Maizuru as she is basically family. Fleki will also be removed as she is a statistical outlier and clearly not taking this seriously.Recalculated ranked mean scores by leader:>Tansu: 90>Mithrun: 88.33>Kabru: 81.4>Shuro: 79.33>Gillin: 72>Laios: 70.67Kabru and Shuro switched positions, as did Gillin and Laios, and Mithrun shot up to second place. For a proper scoring, we would need every person to score every leader. However, working with the data available, the statistical conclusion is that Tansu and Mithrun are good leaders, Kabru and Shuro are solid, and Gillin and Laios passable.
>>285688099>its tumblr because the faces arent just dorito chips and have actual variety to themFucking retard, go watch Frieren.
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>>285688099I would say pic related is the most obvious example, but that kind of style does work for Izutsumi and some of the monsters
>>285682680Are you reading Touge Oni my man
>>285688659>but that kind of style does work for IzutsumiAgreed
>>285688995>Cat with only 2 nipples Cringe, most cats have 6 or 8 if we include dogs some of them have 10 nipples
>>285661552The real question is when is her next work coming.
>>285688942Has there been a new dump? I'm still waiting patiently.
Im actually suffering withdrawals, please Kui i need new content.That being said i do wonder if she's waiting until S2 airs to announce a new manga or she's like soft retired now, seeing how well the manga and licensing stuff did.
>>285661772Forget all the answers from people trying to find some quality of the overall work like accessibility or flow.Frieren had a complete mini arc at the start.That's it.Gets people talking when the series is new and spread over word of mouth.People that give a series 3 episodes to win them over are won over.Even those that dropped it feel like they can participate in online discussion, boosting its visibility.
>>285663742I think these chibi daydream comics are supposed to be abridged versions of what really happened.In the one about the dark elf myth the short-liveds have really on-the-nose dialogue and in the one about Thistle's origin story the king keeps repeating "I want one I want one" like a child. I don't think they're supposed to be what was literally said.
>>285690957>soft retiredThis is my assumption. DM ran for, what, 10 years? A lot can happen in that time. She could be married for all we know.
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>>285665959because much like consoles it's a zero sum game, when one wins the other loses. There simply isn't enough cultural real estate to house two fantasy shows about fat elves. Also dungeon meshi is just clearly better so.
>>285686276It's a shame that such a precious girl had such a small role.
>>285688099What a fucking retard.
>>285671204Stuff like this makes me wish Kui did a Mouse Guard-esque story. I bet she's read that comic in fact.
>>285690511>Touge Oni translator disappeared, and the official TL is 2 volumes behind>Majo to Yajuu is forever on hiatus>Magus of the Library might as well be, no translated chapter in months>same thing for Bard Loen>re Cervin TL stopped after 16 chaptersIt's not easy being a dekinai fantasy fan.Atleast there's Tower Dungeon and Bugle Call.
DM does a great many things right. One aspect that managed to really wow me is how well the overall theme of eating remains a strong right up to and throughout the end on various levels through various metaphors. For instance, the way even Mithrun's arc ties back into it at the end, his deepest fear that he's just unpalatable "leftovers" of what the Lion consumed.When the series first started, I liked it but thought of it mostly as an episodic fantasy manga with a food gimick. The characters gelled well and the jokes were amusing, especially how Kui kept finding clever ways to explain monsters and oddities in a semi-realistic way (mimics being hermit crabs, their "lifecycle", etc.). Then it became apparent that Kui is really good at developing characters, both their current interactions and their unfolding backgrounds, fears, likes, dislikes, and so on. The larger narrative then starts to seep in, yo notice the world building, and at some point it's not "just" some episodic gimmicky comedy, but a full fledged fantasy story that knows when to be earnest and when to be lighthearted. Then, in the final stretch you notice just how well thought out the overall story is (minus some initial rough spots in the formative phase). It's such a pleasant surprise to see how this story just keeps getting better as you go along. One of the best long running manga I've had the pleasure to read.It's both a blessing and a shame how its actual quality only becomes apparent when you're a good way into it (and on a reread with hindsight knowledge).
>>285692674Bugle Call is ending and Tower Dungeon is nosediving in quality.
>>285692861neither is true, fucking retard
>>285692885Bugle Call definitively feels like it's in the final arc, but it could still have 15 or so chapters.Tower Dungeon is still good, but the last few chapters had terrible pacing and introduced way too many new characters at once.Not the same anon btw.
>>285692885Bugle call is in the final arc. Tower Dungeon turning to shit is the general sentiment in the TD threads.
>>285693048>Bugle call is in the final arcin the final arc =/= ending>Tower Dungeon turning to shit is the general sentiment in the TD threadsmaybe by retards like you
>>285693027>last few chapters had terrible pacingNo they didn't.>and introduced way too many new characters at once2 new characters were introduced. Wow.
>>285693095>>285693128Oh so you're one of those that treat your favorites as infallible. I get it, carry on.
>>285692169that's a flawed comparison, because needing multiple consoles is relatively rare, while seeking multiple works of fiction is naturalwhat's the usual reaction of somebody who is done reading something they liked? they start looking for something similar to scratch the same itchyou can see it in this very thread
>>285687484>cute little boy bodyuuuuooohhh
>>285694077Yaad losing his cute original body was a tragedy
Sex with Chilchuck
>>285661552I had the pleasure to read through this for the first time a week ago and I'm just so happy something like this was completed. It has so much heart and character and it never lost sight of its identity along the way. I really do think something of this caliber is an achievement and I wish it was further in the public consciousness becauss it deserves more popularity.Hopefully Season 2 will do just that.
>>285665709Holy shit why do those even exist and why do we have so many of them why make a video game story when you have no interest in them
>>285688299Kabru and Shuro get rated too high because Kuro and Tade are too positive about everything, and Laios gets rated too low because Chilchuck and Marcille are too annoyed at his autism.I would rank them Tansu > Mithrun > Kabru > Laios > Shuro > Gilin.>>285692052How old is Kui? Like late 30s, early 40s at most? Thats young for a mangaka to retire.
>>285688099Based
>>285688099>noses are tumblrOh my fucking god shut the fuck up
>>285688099>>285688659>>285689171Maybe she's trying to go for a "storybook" style, but it only works in the covers thanks to the colors
Boring series, read an actually good fantasy manga like Ragna Crimson or Tenkaichi: Nihon.
>>285685002Bullshit. They need to swap the group leaders around and do dungeon delves first. Then maybe they'd get a somewhat proper scoring.
>>285696142Author is a literal tumblr artist that clearly takes influence from there, this is not under debate, you can just say that you like it.
>>285688544>>285688659
Rape elves and half-footsYes, even the men
>>285695975Western fantasy stories are modeled off of mythology, folklore, and historical fiction. In Japan, the fantasy genre was popularized through Record of the Lodoss War (literally an adaptation of the author's dnd adventures) and CRPGs like Wizardry.
>>285696417Well Chuck us a union leader for the half-feet so he has dungeon leadership experience.
>>285696083>Thats young for a mangaka to retire.What if she has a working husband? Furthermore, what if she has a child? There are plenty of scenarios in which she wouldn't need to keep working.
>>285662823I like that she plays mathfinder games. I don't think thats common in mangaka.>>285662889>>285665709>>285695975Yeah I hate isekai with game mechanics tacked on. Its like the Japanese are forgetting how to make normal stories.
>>285665642>>285688995>sleeping with pussy outhot
>>285697327>What if she has a working husband? Furthermore, what if she has a child?GIWTWM
>>285661772>It’s so good, I don’t see how Freiren blew up so much more than thisI got into Frieren before Dungeon Meshi back when they were both manga. To put it bluntly, Dungeon Meshi at a glance seems like a big joke series that uses cheap JRPG setting while being themed around food to stand out from the 50 other identikit JRPG inspired gag series, compare to Frieren which seems more deep and thoughtful. That keppt me from trying it for a time, it just didn't look like my cup of tea.Of course Dungeon Meshi exceeded all my expectations, the characters, the setting, the world building, the tight plot that doesn't overstay its welcome, it is clearly a labor of love. Watching a few reactions of the series, I think that no one going in blind expected it to hit so hard, they expecting fast food and got gourmet.I'm not going to shit on Frieren like other comments, I love it but when it comes to characters and world building, I like DunMeshi more. The whacky vibes it gives off just by the nature of its theme keeps many people who would choose to watch Frieren away and they would love it if they gave it a chance. Not their fault, it can be hard to tell that DunMeshi has more going on beneath the surface, its why I go out of my way to recommend it.
>>285697327sure it's possible, but on average, it is rare for a mangaka to retire at that ageespecially since she clearly enjoys drawing very much
>>285670125As long as we can call Houseki no Kuni the best sci-fi.
I’ve always thought that Dungeon Meshi came out at the perfect time, it was perfectly positioned to catch the beginning of the ‘10s fantasy wave. A few years later and it would’ve been merely one among many semi-parodic fantasy series. A few years earlier and there wouldn’t have been an audience for fantasy. My understanding is that Dungeon Meshi went pretty much viral basically immediately after releasing because of the strength of its premise. If it comes out a different time it doesn’t go viral and it doesn’t get to the good stuff.
>>285671204Very nice read, thanks
>>285701708it was immediately obvious that the writing is solid but it really did hid its true power level for a long time, with monster of the week shenanigansI was certain that it was going to end once they resurrected Falinand then it didn't, and in doing so proved what everyone already knew at that point - that the storytelling and the setting are strong enough that it can easily support a narrative ten times as expansive
>>285661552It's a believable story. Characters take actions you would generally expect them to, and Kui doesn't bullshit around with a lot. Everything has a place, and it's a full world that was filled in with details.
>>285701524houseki no kuni isn't scifi it's religious horror
>>285692674New Volundio chapter in a couple of days, at least.
>>285689171She has two nipples because she adopted human physiology when the human soul within the cat was expressed.
>>285689171This chart is wrong. Her intelligence should be a 5.
>>285670125>best fantasyThat would be Touge Oni.>>285701524>best sci-fi That would be Touge Oni.
I really hope Kui starts a new manga.
I want to have SEXO with Kui!!!
>>285662823>that small Astarion at the bottomheh
>>285663560there's a bunch of gifts missing from the 2nd pic...
>>285669159why didn't she wish for a functioning womb...
>>285702953I fucking love Touge Oni but the fact we get ONE volume a year just busts my balls..ALSO NO ONE TRANSLATED VOL 8 LAST YEARWHAT THE FUCK
>>285703056Are you sure? Because the one's in the bottom left of the 1st part traded with each other
>>285703098Unless I'm blind I haven't seen anyone at the bottom with those gifts
>>285703074Due to some bizarre quantum fluctuation caused by improperly shielded particle accelerator experiments at CERN, Max Blackstone and her lifelong friend Caroline Channing find themselves whisked through a space-time wormhole into an alternate timeline resembling Earth some 65 million years in our planetary past — at which point some experiment in genetic manipulation (say involving CRISPR?) by another scientific team accidentally creates a temporal paradox destroying most life forms across the entire span of geological time spawning a multiverse of divergent history, rather than merely revert the future evolutionary lineage the archosaurs back to therapsids, or birds back to non-avian dinosaurs… After recovering from severe culture shock upon realizing neither technology nor art; language, architecture or fashion have advanced one iota over many millions of years despite presumably evolutionarily convergent development even were your knowledge cut off completely from homo sapiens material evolving all along
>>285703147what
>>285703136The pairs traded with each other and weren't included in the shuffle, as I said. So there wasn't much point in drawing them again.
>>285703195Oh I misunderstood what you had said.Makes sense
I forgot Cithis wanted to kill Pattadol. The (I think) modern day AU stuff in Daydream Hour made it seem like they had a slightly better relationship. Though I remember that Cithis tried to get Mithrun to hurt Pattadol.
>>285679877No
>>285680168She's said in an interview that she's not really sure what she's gonna be doing next yet. I personally hope she doesn't just drop meshi's world given how much effort was put into it. She could write another fantasy series with the theme/main area setting being totally different and I'd still be super interested in reading it. That being said I get why she'd take her time deciding, especially since she'll presumably still have to do some work when season 2 comes out, advertisement art, merch art, more bluray booklets like the what-if extras, and maybe even more art for the ending songs and stuff.
>>285703278Seemed like it was mostly just an excuse from Cithis to keep drinking, since I would assume Patty is still her wrangler to some degree in the modern AU.
>>285703373I guess that's a reasonable interpretation, but since she didn't even know Cithis was showing up and she was invited by someone else, I wouldn't have thought it would matter.
>>285661653Helps immensely that Kui ended the story in a reasonable time frame. It wasn't shitty slop meant to just stay in a holding pattern for as long as it was popular then rushed to a shitty finale as soon as it lost said popularity. It had a story that was (mostly) planned properly from beginning to end, and didn't even go over 100 chapters.
>>285703092
>>285703421Guess she expected Flamela to be in charge of her that evening
>>285703421I was looking at this page, and realized the translation regarding how good the wine is, is different from the fanTL
>>285703422This shouldn't be as rare as it is in the manga world.
>>285703422>ends after a good amount of time, not too soon or two late>also has a fairly in depth ending that explores things beyond just a short "we beat the demon, falin's alive, yay, the end!">also releases a bunch of epilogue pages covering other amusing bitsThe rest of the manga could've been worse, and that ending still would've been one of the best in awhile.
>>285703907>>also releases a bunch of epilogue pages covering other amusing bits I think that part was brilliantinstead of getting ending fatigue where the last 5 chapters are about tying up loose plot threads, you end the main story and fill in the rest in smaller vignetteswhich neatly mirrors how the story stops having a single plotline at this point and splits into many separate threads
>>285702953>>285703092I love it but unlike Dungeon Meshi that only got better, Touge Oni is a rare case of a manga that I enjoyed more when it was episodic. The plot isn't bad at all, but I feel like there's some charm that was lost when it became the main focus.
It’s actually kind of shocking Kui included a character like Kabru and managed to make him likable. I feel like he very easily could’ve been a hatesink, and he just wasn’t.
>>285704193People did tend to dislike him up until around the first proper fight with Chimera Falin where he actually did something useful in a fight for a change (seemingly, at least), and after his motivations were revealed to be morally upstanding + he accepted that he had totally misread Laios and his team, he started being a lot more palatable for readers, since before then all we'd really seen of him and his group were them fucking up almost every encounter they had and pinning the blame on the main group. Plus he and Mithrun/the other canaries were a great team up and a good excuse to led him lead with all the conversational stuff, which is what he's generally best at/most entertaining with. (doesn't hurt that he was included him more silly comedic bits too, which made him seem more personable and human)
Genuinely kind of insane how we never got actual confirmation about Chilchucks wife or what happened with their relationship post-story.
>>285665758> No rape Say that to Thistle
>>285704386not really
>>285704193If anything I wish he stayed more of a foil rather than pivoting to all-in laiuscoin.There was something unnerving about him at the start, more disturbing than killing killers was how saccharine and naive his group was about his leadership/chance of becoming king. Kabru had them eating out of his hand with 0 results.Both him and his mother have that vibe, pity cases with kind of a dark undercurrent in how they manipulate those close to them. Not malicious but not totally wholesome either.
>>285703566It's a consequence of the production system, with the weekly/monthly schedule and the ratings and whatnot, it's actually surprising to see stories have a satisfying conclusion.
>>285704579It is when you consider all the other extra bits of information that were put out in other materials. It's pretty weird that we get the crime records of background canaries that have no lines or any actual relevance in the story but we don't know ANYTHING about Chil's wife or what happened with their relationship even though it was conveyed as being a really important conflict in Chil's backstory.
>>285688099Weird that she says this and then has the most conventionally pretty elf be the one to get most of the focus and part of the main cast
>>285704843>half humie with fat ears>the most conventionally pretty elfyou really did go there, huh
>>285704843Found this in the archives, it seems as if anons bring up the "tumblr style" of the series constantly as a negative, at least when comparing it to Frieren
>>285701708I think part of the issue is that it took so long to get animated.And by the time it did, it really did look like one among many semi-parodic fantasy series.The worst part being that it's actually very sincere in its fantasy setting, rarely leans on videogame tropes, and in fact uses in-universe lore to justify anything that resembles a videogame trope.Most people just don't get far enough to realize that because it's front-loaded with the parts that make it seem like a dime a dozen fantasy anime.
>>285705676Yeah IMO the start of the story is generally what turns people away, or rather, just makes them think the whole show will just be silly episodic food romps and nothing else until the very end where they save Falin and go home right after or something. I'd say its only around chapter the chapter 13 to 17 mark that things really start picking up and hinting at larger plot things going on.I don't really know how Kui could've done things differently, or if she even should've, but it makes sense that when it was animated many people had the same reaction and dropped it after two or three episodes because it was 'too light-hearted/shallow' or some shit. Also while I love Trigger for their stylizations, a lot of the animation here wasn't really that eye-catchingly detailed, at least in the earlier episodes + when compared to other big budget adaptions that are obviously trying to wow with the sakuga from episode 1.
>>285705751At least it did well enough to get a season 2.At the end of the day, that's really all that matters, even if it is a little disappointing.
>>285705819True, I'm glad it was adapted at all + it seems like it kept enough people watching to warrant a continuation, even if it wasn't monumentally popular as an adaption. Good thing too that we'll only really need the two seasons to cover the whole story.
>>285705819Mind you, that often isn't how it works. The anime is an advertisement for the manga. "It doing well" doesn't really matter, views or BDs sold, or whatever metric you use to gauge the shows success. Trigger was contracted to make this anime because the mangas publisher expects higher sales.
>>285688099>>285688659This "tumblr art" argument makes no sense. How else would you draw a gnome or dwarf girl that wasn't just "normal skinny anime girl but short"? The divergent body shapes and proportions are literally because of the defining characteristics of the different races.
>>285706019That and characters having actual defined noses or lines of shading on said noses are used as an excuse too, such a weird thing to complain about when the character art is obviously quite pretty regardless.
>>285706046But while we're on the topic of character art, I will say that I feel like Laios's design has gotten a bit flanderised in the post-story bonus material. His face has become rounder and his eyes and nose larger and softer. Compared with the earlier chapters it looks strikingly different.
>>285706278I like to think that its the result of him being in a less stressful situation as well him getting a bit chubbier as an after effect of the 'never totally full' thing the lion did to him.
>>285706019are you pretty young? this logic is a product of its timebecause in the 2010s the association calarts > tumblr >gay was not up to debate
>>285706278Being king and eating good all day'll get you fat, anon.
>>285706412Tumblr is dead, grandpa. Also, Kui seems way more influenced by European comics than that. There's more Smurfs, Asterix or Tintin in there than Tumblr.
>>285706464I'm just trying to explain how anons might think to you, young'un.Tumblr being dead now doesn't change the fact Kui was active on there during its heyday.And has she ever mentioned comics in her interviews? Unlike western games, I might have missed her talking about those.
>>285706603Nope, hell, the only thing I even recall from her art regarding western media outside of games was the Fifth Element.As it is, she had a tumblr, sure, but only ever used it to post art, I don't think she was 'active' on the tumblr scene like reblogging shit or going into fandom culture, a lot of good artists just used tumblr like that back in the day, and she deleted said tumblr even before the big restrictions started coming in anyway.
>>285665121toha dungeon toha dungeon
>>285705819>a little disappointing I disagree, in my opinion Studio Trigger did an excellent job adapting Dungeon Meshi. Sure, it wasn't a big budget sakugafest, but they didn't cut corners in a jarring way and you can tell they have a good degree of understanding and respect for the source material. Something that's increasingly rare in this industry.
>>285704386Pretty funny that most fanart makes this random half foot his wife. I've only seen a handful using Marcille's headcanon design, but I imagine that will be used more after season 2.
>>285707006If I watch an anime and it makes me think "whoever made this had a lot of love for the source material", it's a good adaptation.
>>285661772>I don’t see how Freiren blew up so much more than thisIt's better this way.Right now I count 8 Frieren threads on the catalog, of which 2 are probably generals and 4 have low effort garbage OPs.
>>285706332>>285706440It's pretty jarring going back to the early chapters where he looks more like a fighter
>>285707314he was malnourished back thensenshi was feeding them for barely a couple of days
>>285706412No, I'm saying that being so hung up on "muh tumblr" is missing the point completely and screaming at a shadow. It's not a stylistic issue at all.>>285706464I have yet to see any Japanese media referencing Tintin or Asterix. Never got the impression that anyone there besides the most hardcore westaboos would even know about them. Would be cool though.
>>285707401The fact that they don't cite them doesn't mean the influence is not there. Japanese people love western media as well. Hell, the other day I was watching Maison Ikkoku and when Godai met Kozue at a library, she said she was waiting for him by the "comics" section, using the English word. And this is 1986.
>>285707024It replaced it because: it's a good fit given what his daughters look like, Marcille's "design" is just Marcille, and randomly drawing Chilchuck's wife in an extra is the kind of thing Kui would do.
Honestly the ending being a large feast reminded me a lot of pic relatedProbably just a coincidence though
>>285707757People had been posting that particular Asterix image throughout Meshi's serialisation until the end, you're neither the first nor very original
>>285707757Did you read it after manga was completed? Because Asterix&Obelix banquet ending was posted multpile times in speculation threads, since about half the story.
>>285707951I don't think I said anything about being the first or original about this but I'm not surprised nonetheless Still bank on it being coincidental though, it'd be kinda weird for a food-themed manga to not have a feast
A lot of people are saying Frieren got way bigger, but I think it’s important to mention that in the US, Dungeon Meshi got extremely popular (after the anime came out), nearly as popular as Frieren. And, personally speaking, Dungeon Meshi felt even more popular from my experience at cons. Frieren definitely got more popular among normalfags and shonen fans, though. Whether Dungeon Meshi is “tumblr” or not, it definitely attracted that sort of audience.Different case in Japan, though.
>>285703566a well planned and pacedstory that ends when it's suppoused to end(not too late or too early) is incredibly rare to find in any medium. It's just that you mostly consume manga so you have no idea how many books, movies, shows, videogames and stories in general just fuck up as bad as the majority of manga does.
Sissel
>>285661772They are different series at their core. Frieren has action, natural from a shonen, better animation, life messages, romance, and, more importantly vagina
>>285703092The running theory is that the mangadex purge scared him off, so now we gotta hope someone else picks it up or wait for the official translation to catch up.
The royal onahole...
>>285704272Yeah, the animosity towards him settled down, once it became clear that he wouldn't be someone who fucks things up for the main characters over a misunderstanding and he crossed into likable territory for most readers, when he became Mithrun's tard wrangler.Regarding him and pretty much every character, Kui is good at defining characters and then let the story seemingly emerge from their personalities and interactions, as opposed to characters being there to serve the story. It always felt like things happened because the characters were who they are and not because the story demanded for someone to act a certain way, if that makes sense.
>>285661552I thought it was just okay. Read it once all the way, but I will probably never pick it up again.It's definitely very well-written and drawn.>>285670125I haven't read all fantasy manga, but it wasn't as good as Berserk through the Millennium Falcon arc.>>285701524I enjoyed Houseki no Kuni far more. That one was great.
>>285711786theres NO WAY thats a boy
>>285704843I so want Kui to make another fantasy series, maybe even in the same setting and use those other character designs she came up with. Many of them make you ask "I wonder what his/her story is?". I remember her orc design sheet also having many memorable looking characters.On another note, 1st in 2nd row looks like what I'd imagine to be the DM version of Frieren's Serie.
>>285692073My dissappointment was imeassurable when I found out the manga dassn't look like thass
>>285704969>anonsit was one guy constantly repeating that shitpost
>>285703278>I forgot Cithis wanted to kill Pattadol.Of course, fuck the LGBTwitter for picking Cithis to ship with Pattadol out of all the okayish crackships they could pick.Perhaps even worse than the cringe insistence that poor girl has a dick because trans kiddos picked her as a target for their inserting or what.
>>285705751Overall, I think Trigger did a pretty good job with the adaption, but I think they could have done a few things better in the first episode, to reel in new viewers. The early manga still seemed to hammer a few things out regarding tone and I hoped they'd change it up a bit for the adaption, but alas they didn't. For instance, when the first go back to town after waking up on the surface, Marcille wonders what she should have for lunch, almost as if Falin wasn't a concern right now. Going by how much she fusses over Falin, the anime would have done well to play up her concern a bit, to be in line with how they portray her friendship with Falin later on. It should also have made a little more clear that resurrection is actually a thing in this world and that they know that Falin is currently almost certainly dead already. Sure, the info is all technically there, but the delivery feels a bit off. I'm pretty sure that Kui, as she was at the end of the manga, would have written this early bit a bit differently compared to how she was as a writer at the beginning.Another small thing where I think Trigger dropped the ball was that they didn't quite convey that the team wipe at the beginning of ep1 was caused because the whole team was performing badly, not because Laios happened to space out. Again, you can technically piece it together, but same as the aforementioned Marcille scene, I saw more than a few reaction videos where people were going "wait wut?" instead of getting drawn in here, in a "starting off on the wrong foot" kind of way.
>>285709866Fuck Yen Press
Sex with porc women
>>285667994I wonder how much of that is grounds for doing another manga in the DanMeshi setting.
>>285691094this anon is right on the money.
>>285711786>>285712500Sex changing black magic
>>285713633Kui is such an incredible character designer.
>>285685002halflings are scrawny so they’re the most at-risk of any poor desicions by their party leader.
>>285712500That's what an average elven male looks likeIf it weren't for their aptitude for magic their entire race would've been turned into sex slaves millennia ago
>>285713946I wish she did portraits for more crpgs. They worked surprisingly well for BG1 and 2.
>>285714747I like them stand alone but it's originals for me. Nostalgia and all.Aerie best girl btw.
>>285704193i'm still calling him kabron
>>285704585thishis later development encroached retcon territory for meearly depictions showed him as quite coldthere was this one panel where Lynn was complaining about something and he silenced her by just giving her a chilly lookshe looked legit terrified of himalso his party is borderline dysfunctional and is held together by his manipulative actionslike the halfling is blatantly mistreating the kobold, but instead of fixing the situation, Kabru is secretly teaching him human languagehonestly he's a prick and I'm annoyed the plot whitewashed him
Isn't it weird how they have said absolutely nothing regarding the S2 of DM? Trigger already said they are currently working on Edgerunners S2. The Lenticulars /b is easy peasy to animate, so no worries there. It would be amusing if Edgerunners S2 comes out before DM. Oh, and let's not forget the upcoming Gridman project, which may or may not be happening under Trigger
>>285661772Frieren is front-loaded, it starts off strong, and then steadily deflates.Meshi is a slow burn, it gets better the longer it simmers.
>>285704193>>285715111I definitely feel like everyone on /a/ hated him until chimera falin showed up and even then people didn't totally turn around on him until the mithrun arc, hence the constant jeers of "kabron" every time he fucked up
>>285711786would, don't care if it's male.
>>285715366They said they were starting production shortly after S1 finished airing. Nothing after that.I'd expect an announcement this year.
>>285661552I like the fact that in this manga elves are considered human and not an entire different species.
>>285716049Not really, pornretard.Halflings, gnomes, dwarves, elves and tallman technically are all human in a way, as they share a common ancestor. But tallman are still tallman.
>>285714747It would be really nice if she was tapped to be art lead for a CRPG.
>>285713946I'm willing to bet that she spends a lot of time sketching from character creation screens.
>>285693048To be fair, niheifags are extremely fatalistic. They've been expecting TD to go to shit since chapter 1 (when they aren't calling it shit for not having BLAME's exact artstyle).
>>285688099Your brain is rotten.
>>285716184There are no short tallmen. They aren't "regular" humans.
>>285717068>this shit againKabru is 5'7. Benichidori is 5'3. They are real life humans.
>>285717377Then why do they die by age 60?And don't tell me it's because of medieval medicine. They have all their teeth.
>>285717643>die by age 60do you not know what an average is?And yes, medicine plays a part. It's not that their medicine is so bad, it's that modern medicine can keeps people alive long past when they should be, which skews the real-world statistic.
>>285711786
>>285711786Why did Kui make me want to fuck a boy? Why did she do this to me?
>>285710150Dungeon Meshi is much better at delivering so-called "life messages". Frieren is very surface-level.
>>285716049"Human" might be a mistranslation, meaning they're sentient. Orcs and beastmen are included in the "human" races in DM, right?
>>285719243>Orcs and beastmen are included in the "human" races in DM, right?No, Orcs and Kobolds are demihuman, Izutsumi and Lycion are beastkin.
>>285719243No, orcs and kobolds have a different number of bones and therefore are called demihumans. Still sentient, but not considered a subrace of humans.
>>285718778It was very satisfying seeing the gang deal with each other quirks. Laois monster obsession, chilchuck's dislike for workplace friendships, marcilles dark magic, senshi's lifestyle, the cat's brattiness. They really bounce off each other. Frieren gang's dynamics were just there, i guess. Fern getting angry at stark about her birthday just had my eyes glaze over. And the characters just stop developing at a certain point
>>285717643>medieval medicineIRL life expectancy didn't reach 60 until 20th century
>>285719494Yeah, but take into account that one of the hardest parts of medieval life was making it to one year old, the child mortality was huge. So that eschews the average in that direction.
>>285719392My problem with Frieren's characters is that they all appear to be a little dead inside. Frieren I can get, she's lived a thousand years and seen everything, and even then she's the one living life to the fullest the most. It especially annoyed me with every other wizard, which had the same detached, ultra-analytical personality. I get it that it comes with the trade, but it's too similar for my taste.
>>285670200>If DM was truly good it'd be #1This is an admission that Solo Leveling is as good as its popularity suggests
>>285703422I think the funniest conclusion to the dinner party would be Chilchuck happily watching Fuller and Patty strike out with or be put off by Laios, only for Laios and May to somehow really hit it off
>>285715745>it starts off strongHow? The "emotional" stuff in the first chapter that people kept waxing about is one of the most inane and shallow things I've read lately, relative to how much praise it gets.
>>285721721imagine Chilchuckovnas threesome
>>285722039I'm tempted to learn how AI works so I won't have to just imagine
>>285707024People use that girl because she looks like the most fitting example from what we've seen so far. Her hair is just like Fullertoms and her eyes are just like Mayjacks.
>>285712754
>>285715366There was a recent post on the official twitter for dungeon meshi that basically just amounted to "Yeah its in production for realsies guys" so we at least know they're still working on it.https://x.com/dun_meshi_anime/status/2008101162495746424?s=20
>>285661552I enjoyed the manga up until the catlady joined the party and ruined the nice group dynamic they had, also it felt like it was dragging a bit in general. I'll go back and reread this at some point, have heard bits and pieces about the ending already.
>>285721721I think Packpatty is shameless enough that she'd put up with Laios's weirdness for the sake of a royal marriage, but then Laios would refuse her anyway.
>>285722529cringe and dumb
>>285722595I remember I was pretty annoyed with her at first, but it didn't take too long for her to grow on me.
>>285719243Nope, human is specifically an umbrella term for tallmen, half foots, gnomes, ogres, elves, and dwarves. Orcs and Kobolds are 'demihuman', the distinction is made because the former list all have the same amount of bones in their skeletons while the latter have more or less.There's even an extra where they talk with people from the (comparatively) small and isolated eastern archipelago and learn that the tallmen there have a different system where they only refer to themselves as 'human' and every other race is just their race name, mainly because they only live around ogres, so 'tallmen' wasn't a fitting name for them.
>>285721721oral anal vaginal
is it weird the series had basically no side characters who were children, you saw the mcs background story but no other children have spoken lines
>>285722529Kinda funny looking at that then remembering Cithis got her prison sentence reduced by the queen after the story ended. Patty's gonna be in danger sooner or later.
>>285722958Are you doing L>R or R>L?
>>285723010Most of their backstories don't have children in important roles in their stories, so why would they speak? Aside from that, the setting is also in a dungeon, so obviously there'd be no kids in important roles around the place.As it is though, its still not totally correct, there were plenty of kids in Marcilles academy flashback who talked.
>>285723010Well, there's this kid. There aren't really any children since the island is one of the most dangerous places on the planet. It wouldn't make any sense for someone to take one there.
>>285721999Not that anon, but I think the point is that it's extremely normalfag compatible. "My loved ones are gone", "I missed out on my chances at happiness", "awkward maiden meets dense chad" are all things that easily resonate with people who make Titanic one of the best selling movies of all time. I'm not knocking on anyone enjoying Frieren, I like it as well for some reasons, less for others, but I do think that it's tailor made to aim for those slightly melancholic "life happens" kind of feelings ("mono no aware" and so on) that's pretty effective to make the average person emotional. DM also has big feelings stuff, but like others in the thread pointed out, it's a pretty slow burn until the ball gets rolling.
>>285723111Theres some basic aspects of world building that fall apart when you have no children.If you have 2 people romatically together and theres no kids they have no reason to stick together. Woman gets fat old and ugly, theres no point for a man to live with them in the same building.Theres no man around the woman has no way to maintain a house on their own income so thered be no single moms in single family houses.Typically theres stuff like social groups and familial tasks that support togetherness, grandparents are financially tangled with their offspring to look after children, they cant do heavy lifting so the more able do it etc. People cant just hire random help because they'd be too poor for it.What motivates people, not their partners since in this universe they dont have children and everyones single.
>>285710964His stuff didn't even get purged, not even showing up on his own discord server means only one thing.
>>285723420Are you pretending to be dumb?
>>285723514you can excuse things with stuff like "everyone who speaks in this world is rich + magic" but you know
>>285723420
>>285723420This is stupidest thing I've read on /a/ in quite some time.
>>285671144I love when she draws faces like these
>>285712561>DM version of Frieren's Serie.I thought that, too.
>>285713633I can't tell if the second in the bottom row has seen some shit or just has negative IQ.
>>285723420put me in the screencap
How did Kui predict the /u/ human trafficking thing
>>285724855You ever think she trafficked people she previously dated? Or dated people she was previously tafficking?
>>285724968The second one is more likely, considering that she's a bit of a romantic. But who knows, the canaries are a bunch of beautiful bastards.
>>285724968depends on what the trafficking actually entailedhelping refugees escape to another country, helping spies into the country, taking hostages to a secure location, and transporting captives to be sold as slaves all fall under human traffickingshe might even have been involved in the 'selling orphans to wizards for mengele experiments' problem that Izutsumi is a victim of
>>285723481What? That he died? That he got arrested? That he had a moral revelation and decided piracy is wrong? There's a million things that could mean.
>>285725147The way her trafficking is described as involving 'magical artefacts, monsters, humans, and everything in-between' made me think she really had no scruples about the nature of her work.
>>285685002There's few things as dangerous as a leader surrounded by yes-men. You need someone that doesn't agree with you in your inner circle in order to keep perspective.
>>285725296>That he died?Yes.>That he got arrested?Possible. >That he had a moral revelation and decided piracy is wrong? Highly unlikely.
>>285713633Straight outta utumno
>>285713633Nice touch that only the male ones have the bone horn implants
>>285721721*hits pipe* will always be funny. How did Kui know.
>>285721721funniest thing would be if May is completely smitten with Marcille, who happens to be wearing an eyepatch that day due to getting flashbanged from the side by a Laios experiment
>>285661552One of the best executed endings for any manga I've read and with no thanks to the trash crpgs the author claimed to be inspired by. Clearly the writing quality wasn't related even if the setting had its trappings.
>>285667526Animation quality is clearly not the only thing that matters to normalfags because there are plenty of anime that easily have better animation than Frieren but aren't anywhere near as popular. There needs to be something about the plot and characters that are basic and easily digestible for casuals. I guarantee Frieren would be much less popular with normalfags if it didn't turn into a battle shounen.
>>285703907>also has a fairly in depth ending that explores things beyond just a short "we beat the demon, falin's alive, yay, the end!"One thing I like about the ending is that no one really got what they wanted. Laios drives away monsters and can no longer feel satisfied with food. Marcille will still watch all her friends die before her. No conformation on Chilchucks wife though he is still on good terms with his kid. Senshi lost his home and has taken to roaming the land. Izutsumi never did became human and has to live on as a chimera.They are all probably in a better place when they started but no one really got that golden ending... well maybe Chilchuck. It's not a depressing ending, I'd even call it a happy one but it is very "life goes on".
>>285727178a lot of nostalgia for the early CRPGs was the emergent gameplay-narratives. "The healer died and the rest of the squad was left scrambling to retrieve the corpse and get the materials to revive them" isn't the kind of thing that happens as part of the plot but from being determined to tough it out rather than start a new run/reload an old save.Like, think of things like Boatmurdered, or the original Nuzlocke, or similar oldass pre-youtuber LetsPlays that were written out on forums where the storyteller is taking their actual game experience and spinning a narrative from recurring patterns and their own running gags. That's the kind of spirit that Dungeon Meshi captures, using Proving Grounds Of The Mad Overlord and its ilk as the starting point
>>285662078The lack of these extra materials is really holding me back from watching the anime
>>285678837I will never get over Kui depicting the elf queen not only vantablack but also lounging around in the nude or near nude.
>>285667526The Dunmeshi adaptation's animation is pretty above average and really consistent (specifically for Trigger). The highs are also fairly high. You know where it got really popular? China. I always joke that it's because they also eat weird animals.
>>285667526music is also great
>>285717643>They have all their teeth.bad teeth is because of modern times' ready access to sugarand DM has healing magic that seems reasonably widespread, so replacing teeth shouldn't be an issueI expect their medical standards are actually pretty good
>>285704843C4 is probably half gnome, right? She's cute
>>285723010golden city
>>285715745>Meshi is a slow burn, it gets better the longer it simmers.how appropriate
>>285669363>takes world buildingAnon Where exactly is the world building you speak of Because, the last time I checked, Dungeon Meshi didn't explore the outside world, only the dungeon, and that's it.
>>285728718maybe you should check again, anonthis is either bait or illiteracy
>>285721200Yeah but when you include infant mortality, average life expectancy in medieval times is like 30. When you exclude infant mortality, it's still not close to 60.
>>285705751>I don't really know how Kui could've done things differentlyOnly if she'd been secure in her ability to keep it going from the beginning. It's very noticeable the shift from volume 1 to 2, which immediately begins dropping a bunch of things that start seeding the larger story arc, setting, and character conflicts. It really felt like volume 1 was her putting out a simple story that could've been wrapped up easily if need be, and volume 2 is when there was enough security from the publisher that they had a winner on their hands that she felt like she could get away with a more complicated story that would take longer to finish up.On the other hand, more episodic earlier chapters that set up the "base line" for everyone is a nearly universal aspect of serialized story telling. So I'm not sure it would've been that different.
>>285713633Need side shave orc girl
>>285724968I wouldn't be surprised if it was "human trafficking" in the style of "transporting a minor across state lines for sexy times" either.
>>285724855Where's the panel that said she abandoned them after they reached certain age?
It should be legal to rape elves
>>285729357She would get another charge for that
>>285729581It's long been established that it's neither gay, nor rape, if it's an elf.
>>285723060now that you asked, yes
>>285727050>Mayjack secretly read Daltian Clan and my have jacked off to Lady Oscar, I mean, Hareus
>>285671144Long hair-dono, I kneel
>>285708444I'm afraid the conclusion is that tumblrinas have finer taste, alas
>>285721200not true
>>285670125Fantasy is a broad and wide-encompassing genre, but for specifically the European inspired swords and sorcery/high fantasy people generally think of, Dungeon Meshi is up there. It's difficult to decide one singular best fantasy, but it has a case for it. Frieren definitely does not.>>285702953Touge Oni might be my favorite but I'll have to wait for it to end to give a final verdict. One thing it does have over Dungeon Meshi is how it really makes magic feels magical. That's a big problem in modern fantasy resulting from the plague of poorly thought out video game mechanics discussed earlier (not that Dungeon Meshi falls into that). It's impressive that Kui made such an expertly designed magic system and fantasy monster ecosystem that's explained and fits together so well, but it kind of comes with the territory of hard magic systems to lose the fantastical feelings of whimsy and wonder. It's not about eastern fantasy feeling more exotic either. Mahoutsukai no Yome (season 1) and Champignon no Majo are other examples of what I consider fantasy that makes magic feel magical.
>>285730484Proof?
>>285730485I want to vomit whenever I hear or read "magic system."
>>285729406Here you go. Her unconvincing excuse makes it seem like she got bored after they got older. Likely the case since she's not exactly a good person lol.
>>285730570the child mortality skyrocketed in early modern era and come from increased urban population, limited or no access to clean water, worse diet(both quality and quantity), later add industrial pollution and lack of basic hygiene medieval era deaths usually come from war and starvation caused by it, number of children usually was smaller, hygiene and access to clean water much better and food quality(blessings of smaller population density), practical medicine also was usually much better(including anticonception)
>>285670125It's definitely amongst the best.Every candidate for the title will have some flaws or elements you might not like you it's up to you what fits your taste.If Meshi has a flaw, I'd say it's the comedy element in the sense that it starts (or started) as a comedy so sometimes the fantasy element has to bend over and take it. And it started somewhat from the background of game inspired stuff ("dungeon"), which ads certain meta-ish elements that I find afront to perfect fantasy storytelling.But it's on a low level in Dungeon Meshi, absolutely not comparable to the plague in modern isekaishit. Many people would probably not even think about it and it doesn't affect that much. (BTW if you compared it with Frieren, that one is guilty too and managed to reign these elements in much less successfuly).
>>285730485tl;dr>>285730596not my problem
>>285730664It is your problem when most fantasy authors use that Sanderson template to write pure slop.
>>285730661Did child mortality in particular go up from increased urbanism?Youd think people died at all ages because illness and shit air and animal/human feces everywhere
>>285688099>but you can still see the influence in stuff like nosesand here's how I know you area an idiot, don't need to read further
>>285730485>that Kui made such an expertly designed magic systemThere really is none. There is mana and the nature of this mana is explained and explored via world-building. But when it comes to spellcasting, then there is not much to it. Anyone can learn spells, apparently, you chant some words and spend mana. That's it. And apparently, mages know very few spells and tend to specialize a lot.Not saying that it needs to be more in-depth than that. The story works well enough without it. Stories only need a magic system when they focus a lot on the act of casting spells. Or when it's an actual traditional game.
>>285730691never heard of it. your problem, not mine. leave everyone else out of your internal angst or else make it entertaining
>>285730661>practical medicine also was usually much better than modernity>medieval EuropeLOL
>>285730692yes, cities were always population sinks swallowing extra rural population growth, food is always more scarce there, hunger more severe, water more dirty, shit more common, plagues happen easier and more often especially when urban centres are not very well organized or maintainedlack organisation = poor logistic100 people living over the river can just shit into it, 100k people will make sever out of it>>285730755early modern and yes, better medicine and hygiene, heck XIX century was absolute nightmare
>>285730658>I'm waiting for the Japanese versionDo they know?
>>285730738>self-awareness level: zero
>>285730658>thirsting over Camellia, Jaethal and Shadowheart>merely acknowledges fans like Fenris and AstarionShe's not beating the yuri allegations.
>>285730905what you are or what you mean has nothing to do with meand the onus is on you to provide a reason for anyone to want to see things from your perspective
>>285730929Fenris is featured pretty noteworthily in that pic, despite the not so stellar reputation of his game. And she calls him beautiful.
>>285730929To be fair, Aloth, Fenris and particularly Solas are also drawn big. Honestly, the implied judgment that Solas >>> trash > Astarion is patrician and based
>>285730983Thre's still a possessive in the descriptions of Jaethal, Shadowheart and Camellia that isn't in the descriptions of Fenris, Aloth, Octavia and Solas despite them also being larger in the space. However, it would not surprise me at all if that was done by the translators.
>>285730983Fenris was weapons grade husbando bait. I wonder if Kui will ever play Rogue Trader.
>>285731002>There's still a possessive in the descriptions of JaethalNote that the "my undead wife" is probably mistranslation, I think the japanese was "undead mom", referring to how you find out the character has had a daughter when she was alive.She basically called her a MILF, dunno if that is better, kek
>>285678933Why can't you call it fantasy?
>>285730951>I enjoy reading shit, its not my problemSure, champ.
>>285731040Because I don't call shit cake even if you cut it in slices.
>>285670125It's good, but never trust someone who calls something "the greatest x ever" ever
>>285730658>the way Camwhore is drawnthat's Kui's type, for women, I guess?
>>285731436>for womenand for men I guess
>>285731040It's just bait. Native isekai is a meaningless term, but it gets some anons riled up.
>>285731620>is a meaningless termhaha you wishbeing one of them clearly
>>285731684Being a meaningless term?
>>285731700slop consumer being triggered, if you need it explained
>>285731744Ok
>>285731029yeah something more akin to 'undead MILF vibes'
>>285730620I also wouldn't be surprised if around 30 was the time where half foots start to genuinely want to settle down for good, rather than just date randomly, and Otta clearly isn't up for a serious 'to the death' relationship.Also going by Chils older siblings 30+ is probably around the time when half foots start showing their age by getting wrinkles and grey hair and such, which isn't as appealing to her.
>>285721999I don't mind "emotional" stuff but I can't stand settings built around the whole maou+yuusha retardation unless it's a videogame
>>285662078were these extras released with the final volume? I followed the threads until the last chapter but I don't remember this one
Recommendation threads aren't allowed, but since we're all here already do you have another manga that's as satisfying to read from start to finish as Dungeon Meshi?It doesn't have to be Fantasy, but it needs to be finished, without overstaying it's welcome, have a strong story that doesn't rely on plot twists; and characters that show some actual, well, character.Nice Art would be the cherry on top.I think Ajin fits the bill.
>>285732162That one is from the 'complete version' rerelease of the adventurers bible, came with a bunch of post-ending extras.
>>285732170Ran and the Gray World, if you haven't already read it.
>>285732170I know it is the least niche pick possible, but, FMA.
>>285732170If you like Satoshi Mizukami, you'll like this one.https://mangadex.org/title/46217fa5-3d55-43c3-a6f1-26857c1dd1b6/hitoribocchi-no-chikyuu-shinryaku
>>285732170Rosen Garten Saga.Not finished, but it won't drag on, it's probably on the way to finale now, so good time to jump on.It's a bit different kind of work, wild, crazy and degenerate, but cleverly and exquisitely built. But the dedication, focus and effort is the same. For example: it plays with historical figures and legends like very slop since Fate does, but actually pulling into the lore a lot, so you usually find that the authors know more than you do. And yet they transform it into something else. Also, somehow the unhinged parodying and playing things for comedy doesn't degrade it as a story, which is a feat. All the shit morphs into a kinda coherent crazy world.
>>285732352Also possibly the most gay (as in male homosexuality) manga out there that somehow ends up being extremely funny and enjoyable even if you are straight and not a woman or otherwise not attracted to males at all. It's really strange how well the thing works.
*hits pipe*
>>285669363that was a deliberate choice, this way the writer doesnt have to lift a finger to do any world building, and can focus on character development, narrative, and the stories of the individuals in the animay. Its the same reason there's soo many stories set in the current day, you don't have to establish a world, which is often hard to do, and worse, boring.
>>285732170>pic
>>285661772>I don’t see how Freiren blew up so much more than thisLove and yearning are part of a more basic universal language and have wide appeal.
>>285669363>takes world building seriously and blends in inspiration from DnD to color an intriguing premise without showing its handIt's crazier, I think.When you read from the start, it looks like the author apparently won the serialization contract for a completely slop premise: "RPG party but they are broken and have to eat monsters, with cooking and food manga comedy element". It probably wasn't required by the publisher to be isekai by pure luck of starting before the fad got too strong. Or by being in a a less mainstream magazine.Only afterwars she immediately started to turn it into a properly built fantasy getting rid of the game concepts and RPGisms typically employed in slop fantasy of today. You can see it gradually happening by 1st or 2nd volume.
>>285732170I like golden kamuy, but it does have a couple plot twists.
>>285733142I think what I liked best about it is that the teams kept changing through the entire run of the manga.
>>285732352>Rosen Garten Saga>>285733142>golden kamuyWhich of these two is gayer?
>>285733277haven't read the former, but the latter has a couple spreads of nude men and a running gag about one of the characters having a huge ass. it's a historical story and most of the characters are military so there aren't a lot of relevant women.
>>285730983I knew a girl who named her dog after Fenris.
Canary ranking:1) Mithrun2) Pattadol3) Fleki and Lycion get to share a spot4) Cithis5) Otta
>>285678933This post is extremely low quality.
>>285663560This is so cute.
>>285692450I wish David Petersen would do a Mouse Guard story. And not another Black Axe prequel.
>>285702118Good, I need my fresh dose of Cleo suffering.
>>285661552I dropped it when the elf dungeon master got beaten and the rape lion appeared. Kinda just lost interest after that
>>285723018I think if Cithis gets released she won't have much reason to try and kill Patadohl. At least until she gets arrested again.
How would you make a Dungeon Meshi game?
>>285663945To be fair, fantasy cooking takes way too much space for being basically a gag
>>285735702>How would you make a Dungeon Meshi game?Rogue-like JRPG mixed with financial management and survival mechanics. You start out with a core group of three and hire or recruit more members and delve in to collect riches. If you get wiped you lose everything you brought and have to pay corpse recovery fees. You have to know what areas are safe for your skill level, how long you can trek with your supplies and when to turn back and bank your rewards because without a good stash, one bad wipe can screw you. Also no level system that make you go from 300hp early game to 5000hp late game, sure you can improve characters fighting skill, magic, trap detection and such but defense comes from buying better shields and armor or learning to perry. The tough part of the game is that it is very unforgiving of failure, without money most of those party members who you've trained up will leave, without good equipment you stand no chance against later monsters. Basically avoid being a Kabru. Also be careful about delving too deep and attracting the Dungeon Master or worse... the Demon. Everything that you desire can be a curse as well.
>>285735726>fantasy cooking takes way too much space for being basically a gagIt seems so at first, but I think what's really commendable about DM is how Kui stuck to the premise of consumption throughout the story on all levels. When you've read it all and look back at it, you realize that all the food stuff, while presented in an amusing way, wasn't just a gag. For instance, it was the means how they separated the dragon from Falin, it's what drove the demon, it's how Laios ultimately bested the demon, the final feast brings together all factions to share and connect beyond their immediate differences etc. "Eating is the privilege of the living" was said at the beginning of the story and it's also the phrase that concludes the story. The sheer cohesion of vision of this story is what's impressive about Dungeon Meshi and the cooking segments ended up being part of that vision all along.
>>285736153You know, that description reminds me of something...
>>285730721Not him, but it's expertly designed in the sense that it actually makes sense, fits the world and it's integrated into the story. You don't have to turn your brain off and stop thinking about why such spell isn't commonplace, used and abused by literally everyone, or why rulers other than mages exist, and it doesn't casually introduce elements that break the setting just to forget about them in the next chapter.
>>285662078...Oh, THAT was what his greatest wish was. I thought it was something like sating himself.
>>285732170Hell's paradise. Around 130 chapters complete. Like DM, its gimmick is expertly utilized to tie to the themes of the story.
>>285732170Jitsu wa Watashi Wa
>>285736153Don't forget that hunting and cooking monsters need to be core mechanics that make the game significantly easier. You could have Witcher-like segments where you gather information about the ecology of the monsters you hunt in order to discover their weaknesses.
>>285730596Why?>>285735702I'd flip the script and do a Dungeon Keeper type of thing.
>>285735702basically etrian odyssey 2 untold
>>285707006Agreed. It was a distinct anime, too.
>>285738359I want to kiss her on the nose.
>>285738359Is that Michael Cera?
>>285737470>Why?Stiffles creativity and is overall part of a writing methodology aimed at creating shallow emotional products with nothing deep to say, that prioritizes consumption and sales. Corporate science fiction.Granted, putting up some rules for your superpowers when you write a story is not bad in itself. It's what its commonly associated to that's revolting.
>>285733277That's tough to say.
>>285732170Freesia or Ichigeki both have stellar endings and never drag their feet
>>285665611kek reminded me of this
>>285735702Developed by vanillaware
>>285685002Chilchuck understands that the reviews are for the benefit of others that don't already know Laios. Chilchuck personally can work with Laios and understands that, despite appearances, Laios is surprisingly good at his job. But he is also *exceptionally* difficult to work with. Chilchuck would probably just warn people that working with Laios is sort of a devil's bargain, where you are going to get a smart and effective party leader who will do his best to keep you alive even in situations that are wildly out of left field and above your pay grade, but you're also going to hate every day of it because you have to wrangle his autism. The good news is that he is flexible and listens to feedback, but an inexperienced adventurer who was working under Laios wouldn't be able to manage him to the degree that you need to put your foot down sometimes.
>>285735702>>285736337There's always my garbage, bit of writers block on them so I'm working on different things. Did have an idea to add some OC swine enemies so I could make use of that goth porc design everyone loves.
>>285688299tansu only got one vote...
>>285732170Thermae Romae is a pretty comfy read Only 30ish chapters, but like Dungeon Meshi, the author is a big Rome nerd so you can feel the story is a labor of love. Also interesting historical tidbits.
>>285740788It's also very funny the author became such a Romeaboo she went to Rome and found an Italian husband. Sadly for Kui, elves aren't real.
>>285740678Oh shit, I forgot about that. Haven't played DD in forever but I liked seeing your progress report in the chapter dump threads. Glad to hear you're still doing stuff.
>>285732170Dorohedoro always gave me a similar sort of feeling.
>>285692762This is where DM stands out for me as well. Not as "the best of all fantasy ever" but by taking the food theme and sticking to it through the whole story without it fading and becoming window dressing OR feeling forced in its inclusion.
>>285693070A cat is fine too.
>>285688659>Gnome girlsBased. Already established Kabru was smashing some top-tier gnussy on the side. A man of culture.
>>285730620I wonder if Otta owned an island full of underages before she was sentenced
>>285730620Otta is the Leonardo DiCaprio of elves.
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>>285670125It's my favorite manga of all time. Make of that what you will.
>>285732170Your recommendation criteria is way too broad. It can include anything from stuff like Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou and Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou to old classics like Devilman. I'll limit myself to fantasy and take this time to shill some obscure manga that deserves more attention.Rojika to Rakkasei - It seems like it's just simple, episodic SoL stuff at first, but as you read, you'll find just how incredibly thoughtful it is beneath the surface. Seriously, more people need to know about this manga.Ryuu to Yuusha to Haitatsunin - A medieval fantasy in the same vein as Dungeon Meshi. The author is a geek like Kui who cares a lot about worldbuilding and meticulously creating a well-designed world.Mahoutsukai to Aka no Pilgrim - Short and sweet with beautiful art like you asked. Very cool dark fantasy world.Takeo-chan Bukkairoku - It took me some time to appreciate how perfect the MC's character arc is, especially the perfect conclusion of her character arc. I cannot think of anything to make that conclusion better. Mangaka is TOYODA Minoru. If you know him, you'd know he has a very cool and distinctive art style.Hitsugi Katsugi no Kuro - Probably the best writing I've ever seen in manga. No exaggeration that the storytelling is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. How the fuck did something like this come from Manga Time Kirara?
>>285730485Oh, yeah. There are some people who like to complain about how Touge Oni feel "too sci-fi" but honestly I think it's a clever way to point that this is some really heavy magic. Gods' treasures can really shatter reality and the sci-fi elements help the reader to feel it that wat.The only other manga I can't think where the magic feels "magical" it's Witch Hat, but honestly there it's the art that makes most of the heavylifting.
mediocre kitsch
>>285671204She's one of a kind
>>285688099/a/utist finds a manga artist that can draw more than four faces, seethes uncontrollably
>>285688659>he doesn't have illustrations detailing how his fantasy races' individuals would look as obese, fit or anorexicngmi>>285688544I'm surprised Cythis is wearing that much
>>285688099Just say its ugly faggot trash (which it is) instead of tiptoeing around the issue.
>>285703278>Cause: undefeatedGod Mithrun is so cool
>>285704843That is some good advice that almost no mangaka heed. Can't have a woman be the most beautifuk in the world if everyone else has the exact same face.
>>285721721Somehow, her calling Chilchuk "dad" is very cute
>>285747455Updated in the new version after Marcille blew his head off
>>285742000>>285741969He doesn't waste a second moping about people not coming to save him. I love Laios.
are there ANY pics of Kui out there?
>>285747996She doesn’t generally allow photography at the few events she goes to.
>>285732294I'm more of a Silver Spoon guy myself. Hachiken is one of my favorite male MCs which is especially impressive because he's cut from the same cloth as the MC archetype considered the most hated and generic. I guess the execution is the most important part. I bet Arakawa and Kui have similar philosophies about food and animals.
>>285732543>and can focus on character development, narrative, and the stories of the individualsToo bad it still failed hard at that compared to Dungeon Meshi
>>285747996
>>285662078Seriously, they're just such well-developed characters. Every word of this dialogue is "of COURSE that's what they would say," especially the last punchline.
>>285663742I didn't get "storming off," more like they just need a moment to process the continuing fallout of putting his crazy ass on the throne.
>>285661772Western anime people are stupid fucking animals that should be burned alive
>>285750491This extra really fucked with my head.
>>285749264Ideal woman.
>>285732170Jitsu wa Watashi wa, especially if you get to find in an /a/ story time thread. Pluto, both the manga and anime are good. Spirit Circle, it does do the Cloud Atlas short story thing, but they're all good.
>>285723010does Zon's son count?
>>285738359I saw a jp guy on twitter comment that he thought young Chloe Sevigny would make a good Pattadol
>>285678885>Not that this makes Frieren badFrieren has gotten pretty mediocre and the most annoying part is the insufferable fanbase filled with casuals constantly pushing it as the best thing ever even though they barely watch anime.
>>285747872iirc Laios canonically represses some emotions because saving Falin was more important.His backstory and conversation with the Lion does show that he is bothered by everyone.
>>285751254lol that's pretty good.
>>285661772Dungeon Meshi was already really popular. It's not a competition.
>>285751299This, he's very much affected by peoples opinion of him, its usually just hard for him to grasp what those opinions are unless people make them clear (which they usually do) What little we see of his nightmare back when he was trying to rescue Marcille from hers made it pretty obvious he still had a fair few past worries like the expectations/disappointment of his parents and his ostracization from both the military and the earlier dungeon delving group he was a part of.And of course the lion also shows that its at least one of the reasons he became so fixated on monsters to begin with, beyond just thinking they were cool.
>>285735702I think the gameplay loop would be>buy gear and food in town>delve into dungeon>loot as much as you can carry (limited weight)>come back>buy better gear and refill on food>rinse and repeatBut the caveat is that while permanent gear from town is the best, food gets better the deeper in the dungeon you go.And having good macros will raise your stats until the next meal, thus making you stronger and able to more easily delve deeper.So while you might start out going back and forth, once you start hunting and cooking, your dungeon delves will get longer and longer.It should be, if not impossible, incredibly difficult to reach the bottom of the dungeon all in one run.Leveling up would be minimal, with the bulk of your power coming from better gear and food.
>>285751725Basically how the made in abyss game worked, could work for meshi too.Throw in some other ways of making money like monster kill contracts and it'd be perfect.
>>285752108>A sad Sissel
>>285751866Is this game any good?
>>285731700I always felt weird because people use it like a buzzword but it's real. It's fantasy that has videogame elements in it without being an isekai. For example parties, character classes, skills, etc. It's the way the world is presented. The only thing that makes Isekai Isekai is the MC coming from our world to a different one, but in practice all of them have videogame elements (some more than others). When regular fantasy has such videogame elements people call it native isekai. The name of the term might be dumb but what it refers to is real.
>>285752420Its extremely janky, how much you enjoy it will probably rely heavily on how much you actually like the series. That being said, it does have a lot of interesting gameplay elements and the challenge of getting to the lower layers with good shit makes the game feel worthwhile. Also the visuals are pretty good (for the kind of game this is), and does a lot to capture the scale of the abyss. The final (secret) boss is also genuinely pretty creepy and something that would fit pretty decently in the actual manga. As it is, I found it much more enjoyable after getting mods that switch out the games soundtracks with the ones from the anime + a mod that tweaks the respawn timers so that you don't have enemies spawning in behind you every 3 seconds once you've spent 'too long' on a single layer.
>>285752628>>285752628>you don't have enemies spawning in behind you every 3 seconds once you've spent 'too long' on a single layer.I skipped the main story tutorial and jumped into the main mode with the custom character and this is kicking my assEspecially with durability
>>285752706That is wrong, "native isekai" has to do with videogame elements. The idea is that it's isekai without the reincarnated main character. And if you pay attention fantasy isekai have said videogame elements and they're as representative of the genre as the isekai plot point itself. The term is retarded but it does exist.
>>285752504What you're describing already has a word. It's called LitRPG. Etymologically, native isekai as a neologism is pure retardation. It's an oxymoron in the stupidest way.
>>285752712Been a while since I last played buthttps://mega.nz/file/4esk1LTb#DjU4eeIM7O84WHJ-u9Tu8zHJxpKAazXBaBs-xCjwsVY I think this was the one I used.also the music replacerhttps://mega.nz/file/qq4lGDJY#9sd0cBNkzyxqN6cJ7kDYKFW7vOGjU4KLMUd_MfK7bQ0
>>285752907Thanks!
>>285752706the whole point of saying "native isekai" is to put the accused series below fantasy to begin with, as pathetic as that bar isyou take the negative-creativity "settings" and "worlds" that are used in 99% of cookie cutter isekai manga and LN and employ them without having a reincarnated character, thus native isekai. it's not a genre or a category, it's an insult. learn to understand colloquial language."isekai" in and of itself is a pretty flimsy category if you try to take it too analytically, because there's millions of works of fiction that fit the trope while having nothing to do with each other. alice in wonderland, digimon 1, escaflowne could all be called "isekai" just as much as the 3000 hero-maou garbage that gets pumped up every day which is what gives it the stigma it has
>>285751563that's something I'm really looking forward to next season. Laios's backstory.It'll be amusing to see people talk about how dark aspects of him actually are. He's a very good person, but he's been kicked around a lot and the later half of the comic goes much more into it.
>bump limitgood thread, other than obvious bait getting over a dozen replies
I didn't like Laios
>>285754056I don’t like you.
>>285754056Yes you do, Shuro. Don't lie to yourself.
>>285732037This to me would be the funniest and most Meshi outcome: the problem is all her girlfriends are aging faster than her, and in a blink of an eye, from her perspective, she goes from a cool, experienced, exotic older woman to someone who's never growing up and too frivolous a partner for someone who's getting on in years. So they all end up dumping her or giving her ultimatums that she can't keep, and so they break up.This also adds a very funny twist to her protest that "they're more mature than they seem," if what's happening is they're all outgrowing her.
>>285732257Oh hey, that's the Stravaganza and Sinner of the Azure Abyss (sp?) woman. I found both of those ultimately kind of disappointing (Sinner especially obviously got axed and had a rushed ending) but both were still pretty interesting.
>>285733277They're equally gay in different ways. Rosen Garten is a pure, audacious gag manga, full of all kind of otaku perversions and jokes. Golden Kamuy has its share of perversion and absurdist humor, but it's ultimately more grounded and the homo-ness comes from the more timeless ideals of masculine pride, rivalry, and comradery.I guess if I had to choose I'd go with Golden Kamuy cause it seems more "serious" about it.
>>285661552So the author finally got around to finishing it? Might give it another try then.
