Frieren S2 was crap.
>>287073136wtf is this real
>>287072992Next season it's worse
>>287072992Next season it's better
>>287072992Next season it's average
>>287072992no it wasnt
>>287072992yah
>>287072992No it wasn't
>>287072992Yes, it was
Counter argument:
>>287072992don't worry shonen shitter.next season will only be a moderate amount of talking and then a few big fights
>>287074724Much better than either Fern or Frieren
>>287072992It was worse than the 1st half of season 1, but way better than the 2nd half.
>>287072992next season will have more fights so you can enjoy, mr.brown
>>287075159Wasn't this arc like 80% flashbacks?
>>287072992and S3 will be even worse. That golden city arc was unnecessarily long and very boring. I don't remember if it was due to hiatuses or it was simply too long but it lasted for like a year and a lot of anons here dropped the manga while it was ongoing. At the time that arc alone was longer than the rest of the manga.Hopefully the anime has better pacing and it's not a bore fest like it was in the manga
>>287075331No just mostly SoL adventures, but>complaining about flashbacks in a series fundamentally about reflecting on the past i think you're watching the wrong series buddy
>>287072992>Frieren crap.*ftfy
>>287075159>shonen shitter.you mean frieren fan? because fireren is the whole shonenshit package with a chuunin exam included and everything
>>287075430"fans" don't discount the entire season, that is shonen tourists who chronically speedwatch everything
>>287072992It had its moments
>>287075364>I don't remember if it was due to hiatuses or it was simply too longboth, iirc it was close to a quarter of the chapters that had been released by the time it finished. little longer than mage exam BUT that has a lot of new characters introduced
So I got into watching this thinking it would be a sorrowful character study about how someone who lives a long life has everyone they know and love die around them.Instead I got an elf who barely understands emotion showing as little of a fuck as possible as her comrades grow old and die.I guess I expect way too much of anime now.
>>287076748>wants a character study>speedwatches and misses all the character studyinga tragedy
>>287076798I didn't speed watch anything. I'm on ep14 of season 1. If anything I'm slow watching.
>>287076860then you're brain-off watching and missing all the gradual changes.
>>287076893It's only subtle wanting to go on the same journey because she felt she never really knew them. It doesn't impart in me any sorrow. She is mostly a stone faced killa. I need to see and feel a character suffer. Her constant 'a mere 10 years' refrains are the petulance of someone who doesn't even pretend to try to understand the shorter lives of humans. What I see is more like an alien studying us rather than an actual person. Maybe she eventually becomes a person, but I think the show's point is that is an elf and thus she basically is an alien to us. She can never understand humans. That was not what I was looking for.
>>287077686>someone who doesn't even pretend to try to understand the shorter lives of humans.Try to watch the latter half with your brain turned ON. (Not off)
>>287072992Nips loved it
>>287076748>I guess I expect way too much of anime now.Anime can still be good, but your mistake was having high expectations for the most popular normalfag #1 MAL anime of all time. Did you really think something that only tries to cater to the masses could ever be worth watching?
>>287077766Sorry, a random elf is extremely callous if she can't realize saying "a mere 10 years" to a human is insensitive.
>>287078432It's hilarious you're claiming you want a character study and then complain when presented with a character in the midst of tackling an emotional change.Average retarded detractor post who can't even understand why they're being retarded.
>>287078050Gurren Lagann and FMA'03 were worth watching and those were as normalfag as it gets. Just for normalfags of a different era. I can't rule out all anime mal likes.
>>287078544I want the study of a different character, obviously, dude. I want an elf that doesn't start as an emotionless alien. I was looking more for Deedlit or something.
>>287078596So you don't want a character study, you just want to see character archetypes you enjoy. You're a shonen shitter.
>>287078647A character study of a normal anime elf going through this would've been far more emotionally evocative and tragic rather than deadpan. Also I don't give a shit about the battles so I'm not whoever else ITT you're thinking wants typical shounen tropes. I'd take a shoujo tragedy like Utena over this x1000.
>>287078742lmao you're too funny
>>287078812I am the guy who someone else here is calling a shounen shitter and even I agree FMAB is shounen trash. I can't believe they just made the last eps endless battles.
Frieren I hope did a great service to the industry that people do not want a black_haired_male protag every single time. I fucking hate that kid so much it's unreal.
That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Gyaru Elf Mage?!?!
>>287072992it was fine
>>287079013Shes too jolly and silly.
>>287079013Those are some advanced slurs... Sasuga Frieren-sama!
>>287079058>jolly and sillyi like that about her>>287079073
>>287077686>She is mostly a stone faced killa.Later on she is mostly a goofy grandma.
>>287077828>Nips loved itgreat, that proves it's terrible.
>>287079321>>287077828I don't understand Japanese viewers, only some Japanese creators.
>>287079412japs understand a series needs balance, while westerners screech if it leans too much into the aspect they hate
>>287079443I wouldn't say Japanese viewers like balance when all they watch is isekai
>>287079291>Granma starts raping like eminem
>>287078812the fma manga is good but fmab is total shit and people that like it are obese adult swim hoodweeb dub-watchers
>>287078812Correct.
>>287079920FMA manga is almost beat for beat besides providing a bit more backstory to Jarboy
>>287079960 which is why it is shit and way worse than Frieren, where the anime elevates the manga instead of just being a shitty motion comic with voice acting, for people who watch anime on the background while browsing their phones
>>287072992Nah, it was good.
>>287072992I can't stand watching the anime version, it's perfectly tolerable in manage form but for some reason the anime feels too fucking wordy.
>Every fight>Stark runs in and chops with axe and then gets parryed and he runs away>FREEEEEren floats in air>Aims white death ray>Fires it>It either hit/misses or then Fern follows up and does the same and hits>Reminds me of that time Himmel shit his keks while looking melancholicThe battles are always mid like this.
>>287080083Did you ever see if every line in the manga is in the anime?
>>287080101frfr like, wheres the domain expansions???
>>287080105>Did you ever see if every line in the manga is in the anime?It's seems pretty one for one, maybe it's probably just a pacing issue for me, I can read much faster than an anime can play out and it just doesn't jive with me.Doesn't mean it isn't pretty or good, I just don't like it personally.
>>287080101The fact that people are trying to analyze fights in this just reflects so badly on the show. An anime should not be about battles.
>>287075159>>287075371>next season will have 30 episodes and return to the multi-episode story arc formThis is good news.
>>287080208is there really enough manga for 30 more eps?
>>287080215they could do a goddess monument movie and 2 more seasons if they really wanted.
>>287072992Season 1 - 10/10Season 2 - 8/10
>>287072992There has never been a bad Frieren episode. They all range from 7-10/10
>why yes, 'Frieren; Beyond Journey's End' is my favorite battle shounen. How could you tell?
>>287080137>>287080179NOOOO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WANT THE FIGHTS TO ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE.BUT MUH JOURNEY MUH REFELCTION MUH HIMMEL.It is a boring show without the fights. It is so pretentious as shit. You would think it came from the mind of Yoko Ono.
>>287080591>NOOOO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WANT THE FIGHTS TO ACTUALLY MAKE SENSEi thought you were complaining they were repetitive? are you daijoubu?
>See that rock>Himmel kicked that rock 50 years ago It is all so nostagic n shitFucking masterpiece of fiction.Episode later>See that rock>Himmel tripped on it 50 years ago it isall so nostagic n shitAnother banger from the twisted mined.
>>287075159>shonenshitter insult>in a thread about shonen - Sousou no FrierenWhat a schizo.
>>287072992>It's a slice of life!>The slices are tiny sliversWhat's really telling about this season is that, for an anime that's supposedly a slice of life, they only milked the Fern-Stark romance for two episodes and then forgot about it. What could be more slice of life than young romance? This is a real criticism that can't be dismissed as shounen-shitting
>>287076748It really is not a character study of frieren. Fieren's long life is just a good vantage point to explore the history of that world and the people that inhabit it. I really feel the main characters are the weakest part of the story and that's fine, they largely are supposed to be just tentacle appendages that lets us feel through the terrain, the fauna, the people, the beasts, the demon titties, the elf armpits- these are the things that matter
>>287072992not crap, just boring.
>>287080637>Get told FREEREN IS GENIUS POWERFUL MAGE by everyone>She does the same attack all the damn time>Never changes strats>Never learnsThe show did coast on the kill yourself scene.It has fell of a lot.
>>287080757Why would you change what's working?
>>287072992It was genuine utter garbage.
>you have to pick one or the other because ... ???
>>287080773Because then any sense of danger is gone.We know FREEEren can just death ray every demon or monster.It is called a Mary Sue.Come on if this was posted on Fanfiction.net you would all be ripping it apart like My Immortal for how much plot armor she has.
I didn't watch Season 2. I only tracked newly created lewd fanarts.
>>287080740Frieren nooo!
>>287080815Frieren has a student she has to teach, which is why she lets he do a lot of fighting.Frieren Derangement Syndrome in full effect this thread!
>>287080815Maybe that's why Frierenfags like it a lot. It resembles a poorly written fanfiction.
I feel the same about Frieren as I do about JJK. the author has some good ideas but is also kind of retarded and the writing is a mess, but it happened to get picked up by a great studio and they're doing an amazing adaptation.so overall it's a 7/10 anime, and some midwits will call it a masterpiece and that's ok. they're probably the same kind of people whose favorite movie is Avengers Endgame and favorite musician is Sabrina Carpenter.
>>287080863JJK is nothing without the brain guy. S3 was so terrible without him, it was just people talking about some silly game and how to use their domain expansion to instantly win
>>287080591>blasting the evil ice dog with a laser from 10,000 feet doesn't make senseI think demons shouldn't be allowed to post in frieren threads, you "people" clearly don't understand magic or the tactics that Frieren cooks up on the fly
>>287080749No, it's that because our past is continually collapsing in the present, experiences that are formally the same are actually new. It's not just Frierim reminiscing on the past, it's her gaining new understanding of the thing. 'No man ever steps in the same river twice' as my nigga Heraclitus puts it
Stop being demonphobic. Just because you've met a few bad demons in your life doesn't mean they're all like that.
The problem with demons is that they are badly written, they also aren't a threat, have they ever killed any named character?
>>287081116>have they ever killed any named character?why do you come into threads about a show you haven't watched?
I want a lewd, promiscuous female magician called Schlampe to be featured in Frieren.
Why do so many spergs fail to get this anime?Not only that, but the amount of seething it causes.Is it just because it's popular? Why would that be a problem?This anime is so harmless the only controversial thing about it is the 'total demon death' message, buy even that is generally misunderstood.
>>287082106people sensitive to FOMO followed by either getting filtered or failed expectations inflated by FOMO
>S3 in 2027 when the world is about the endi don't know, man...
>>287082106I dislike it because Frierenfags are annoying even more than your typical battle shounen fans.
>>287072992Frieren was crap
>>287072992I didn't like that the season was so short
people that don't like frieren should straight up be tortured in a prison camp
>>287082452I agree. Slaughter those who insult cute elf.
>>287073534one of these three had better die forever next season to make up for this boring-arse season we just got
>>287081006>the tactics that Frieren cooks up on the fly>Flys in air>Death ray>Cooks up on the fly>Cooks up>CooksAt least Naruto had new moves every fight.She is a Mary Sue. That the show means really nothing now.No danger can touch her. No demon is a real threat.You know i bet you talk a boat load of shit about the OP isekai protags.But Freren is exaclly the same.
>>287082345how so? what do they do that is annoying
>>287082675>She is a Mary SueShe gets power checked and mental diffed by solitar, and diffed by an old guy later on.stop posting retard
>>287082734Butting in threads unrelated to Frieren and yapping about how Frieren is a masterpiece and how its worldbuilding is amazing. Like, I get they like it a lot, but why the fuck do I need to like it as much as they do?
>>287082738>She gets power checked and mental diffed by solitar,>it gets good 50000000 hours inAll you are telling me here is that the writer panicked after noticing he made a character so Mary Sue and wrote in a time where she can "lose" but still win.She is written too invincible in the world to be believable.If this was in a western comic book you would be dunking on it. Nips do not get a pass from writing fanfiction cringe.
>>287080684It really is this over and over lol
>>287082916you're a retard.
>>287082675>You know i bet you talk a boat load of shit about the OP isekai protags.You could not have possibly pegged me more incorrectly, I wholeheartedly enjoyed even the sloppiest OP isekais including picrel.
>>287072992I like SoL but the problem with this season is that it introduced way too many plotholes and shit writing and not a single good character which is the main appeal of the story, no, demons don't count, they are always entertaining.
>>287083009It didn't introduce them. This anime's plot and world building have been filled with holes since the first season.
>>287076748>understands emotion showing as little of a fuck as possibleWhy is this a problem again? Literally everyone else acts like that.
>>287083044I want to know if they have borrowed LittleFingers teleport machine from GoT.Because characters seem to teleport ahead of the MCs all the time.It sort of ruins your whole story of making the world so massive it takes years to move around.>Ah yes the monocle asshole took a coach and walked ahead of them. So he can meet up with them at the right exact time for the arc with him in.If that was the case why are they bothering to walk everywhere, when they can teleport hack?
>>287083118Frieren is not moving in a straight line northwards, she's retracing Himmel's steps. They showed the map several times this season. Turn your subtitles on nigger.
>>287083118>wtf why are they doing an entire arc just walking to go meet someone?? why not just just have them meet lol???
ask an /a/ poster the difference between plot and story and his head explodes
>>287083118Speed travel aside, The Hero of the South was able to chad stride his way to the northern demon turf in a year. The slow travel is definitely a choice.
>>287083344plot is when the domain expandsstory is when they start fighting
>>287083262Cop out argument.Characters are teleoporting in and out of the story when convenient, even when last season they where shown to us clearly going south.It is okay to admit you like Fanfiction.net level world building bro.
>>287083489How would you write it anon?
>>287083344I stopped caring about it years ago. It's pointless to except that kind of basic knowledge from many people posting here. However, that doesn't change the fact that in both cases Frieren is nothing more but mediocre, compared to other popular anime featuring similar story models and executing similar ideas in the plot.
>>287083503The more she drank the more she shat, the more she shat the more she drank
I half expect>Somehow the demon king has returnedAs an unironic bit of dialog.
>>287083531how do westoids do it? It's so captivating...
>>287083531Still better and more logical story concept than the one in Frieren.>>287083587I lowkey expect this to happen, kek.
I found a plot hole. Why don't they just prostitute Frieren... to me?
>>287083531Very profound and deep example about how one needs to value drinking water, to filter out bad elements from their intestines, and to drink water anew, just to repeat the cycle. It's mundane, but remembering past, traveling in places that feel precious to you, might be seen in a similar way: as mundane, simple thing weighting the same as escrement fragments you remove from your body; something without objective value, but nevertheless important for you, and only for (You).
>>287083716She only accepts the grimoire payment, unfortunately. Hillbillies don't have that kind of shit on them.
>>287083716Who would pay for Frieren when as a regular male you can beat her no problem?
>>287083748>Himmel shat once>Cue 5 min recoccletion of the time she witnnessed Himmel drink from a well and get dysentery and spent the next 15 hours in the out house>it is so nostaglic
>>287083748You forgot to mention that Frieren would have said some shit about that one time Himmel had diarrhea or something.
>>287072992I feel like I need to watch a real anime like CCS to get rid of the bad taste in my eyes from watching an old woman and a fat woman do nothing for 10 episodes, while everyone claims it’s a masterpiece of shonen fighting anime.
>>287084035But instead of doing it you're gonna post gay retarded shit.
>>287084085Making posts is really that hard for you? Must suck.
kinda funny how uniquely efforted the (admittedly still terrible) shitposting is around frieren.more needy for validation than fern is for food
>>287084371See?
>>287082916the ones in western comic books are not dunked on for being powerful, they are dunked on for having power with no logic, hating on men for no reason, and being socialist in generalfrieren and most of other strong women(actual women, not men wearing wigs like in west or post menopause hags) in japanese content have none of these, therefore are beloved, it is your ideology and crass way of implementing it that is repulsivequestion is, since frieren is such a mary sue like western ones are in your opinion, why are you and your people criticizing it instead of cherish it ?
>>287072992Filtered.
Where is Freiren on the IGN Kino Scale?
>>2870844487.8 / 10 too much walking
>>287084473It's Kanehito Yamada's book, motherfucker, and they'll walk if he tells them to.
>>287084035it's not supposed to be a shounen but the shounen parts are the only ones worth watching
>>287084575i wish they'd do a whole puppet episode, or atleast a 9 minute half where they watch a puppet show.
I'm like 3 or 4 episodes behind. Did the season at least end strong? I don't have much drive to catch up right now.
>>287072992no ubel so i didn’t even watch it
>>287084666see you next decade anon!
>>287082345imagine being so mentally fragile that you allow others to influence your opinions on something
>>287072992the praise for this anime is embarrassingly artificialnothing in it warrants its 1st place status on mal
>>287074724kill yourself coomer
Frieren, Fern, and Stark are the three dullest main characters to ever exist.There is no actual depth to them, barely any displays of emotion or deeper thought.Their interactions are superficial, boring, lacking chemistry and meaning.They have no development, they do not change, they do not evolve, despite the story often covering weeks to months of traveling or staying in one place.They have spent so much time together yet nothing ever changes, what are they doing during the timeskips?People this long together would naturally open up to each other, form bonds, get closer, deepen their friendship over time.Are they even talking to each other off screen? Is there anything within them other than muh Himmel The Hero and muh lost childhoods?
>They have no development, they do not change, they do not evolve,another epic speedwatcher moment
>>287084677Author is clearly being pressured into dragging the story as much as he can, leading to stress and not being able to write anymore, either he will sellout or cancel the whole thing.
>>287082738>Solitary is dead and Frieren intact>the old guy did nothingRetard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmpshmcxtws
>>287085165The essence of a Mary Sue is a woman character without flaws who is seemingly perfect.Frieren has flaws, is far from perfect, is called on her flaws, is challenged, is tested, and CHANGES HER FLAWS. Therefor she's not a Mary Sue.You retarded zoomers need to stop bastardizing the term and actually attempt to understand the retarded shit you post.
If you anons really hated it this much, surely you've already dropped it and wouldn't be in the S3 threads anymore right?
>this bridge reminds me of that time himmel and I came across this very same bridge
>>287079013kek
>>287082738>mental diffed by solitarYou're joking.
>>287086203first time frieren really got mentally unsteady, which is a better way to phrase it.
>>287084899
>>287086214Which manifested itself how? Her points of view remained the same, it didn't fluster her in batlle.
How many hours from now is the anime panel?I have hopes they will announce the manga's return.
>>287086263>it didn't fluster her in batlle.hi speedreader.Solitar was actually mocking her at one point because of how one-sided it was.
>>287086323frieren really looks distressed! give me a break
>>287086335Why is she even worrying about getting overwhelmed?I thought she was all powerful and perfect?
>>287079321>AchualllIy I have superior taste in Japanese anime than the Japanese Cringe
>>287086406>AchualllIy I have superior taste in Japanese anime than the Japanesethis but unironically
>>287084899I don't think they're boring at all, which if anything makes their underutilization as characters even more frustrating. They should be using the little side plots like the bad beer for that sort of thing. Episode 9 stood out because it did that, but it usually doesn't.
>>287072992It was alright. The main problem is that after S1, most of the chapters feel repetitive because the structure is basically the same. They walk around, find someone, that someone says there are monsters nearby, they kill them, and then Frieren reminisces about her old party. The part I liked the most was when they were investigating the village Revolte destroyed honestly, the rest just felt like S1 but with worse ideas.
>>287086263>Her points of view remained the same, it didn't fluster her in batlle.Anon... she GOT the point of view in battle.When in Frieren someone gets internal dialogue explaning what's going on during a fight, it is always (with the exception of a couple fighs against mindless monsters) characters who are on the backfoot and about to lose. That's the first time Frieren herself got it.Against Solitar, as you can clearly see, Frieren was clearly losing:>>287086323She would never have lasted long enough to pull a reversal with the help of her team, had Solitar not been willing to giving her chances to recover. (You can explain this by usual demon smugness, or Solitar having an unironic death wish at that point, but a fact is a fact.)
>>287072992industry plant
>>287082738>mental diffed by solitarwtf are you talking about? lolI swear zoomers just invent their own panels to argue about, only time she got a slight reaction out of her was when she said she killed Fern. Which resulted in Frieren turboyeeting her onto a forest with her own spell and then mock her about how simple it was
>>287072992How does Frieren manage to mog all other female characters this hard??
>>287086505that’s great and all but it would have been nice for the author to get that point across on frieren’s face
>>287086523Silly elf.
>>287086523fraudulent voting from frierenfags
This part cracked me up. Why is she so light?
>>287086508Solitar was controlling the entire pace and battle messing with her, to the point that frieren even compared herself to a caged animal. Frieren was at the mercy of and a subject of, a demon's experiment.It's a reverse to how Serie was messing with Macht.It's so tedious having to explain intuitive things to retards.
>>287086505>Frieren was clearly losingClearly wasn'tThe only time we have seen Frieren be close to losing was when Fern Zoltraak'd her replica, which resulted in her resorting to her hight of magic spellThe fight against Solitar she suffered nothing more than paper cuts, the most damage was done by Macht hitting her with his sword before hand which is what all the blood on her coat is from. Which only happend because he sneak attacked her as she was looking out for Denken In fact Lernen did more damage to Freiren than Solitar did, he actually put a hole in her shoulder (that needed healing) where Solitar did nothing more than make her twintails come out.You want any more proof of how ineffective she was then look to the end where Frieren literally went shopping the next day while every other character was in hospital beds recovering for days after
>>287072992I liked it way more than the shonenslop that was season 1 part 2, it actually gave me back hope.
>>287086571>to the point that frieren even compared herself to a caged animalThis is willfull misrepresentation of what Frieren is saying, she's talking about Solitar and how she sees humans as meer play things. Frieren doesn't consider herself an less than human or an animal, that would be ridiculous to suggest
>>287086323But that was not due to her words, but that attack she hadn't seen before, which she then used against Solitar.
>>287086569most of her weight is concentrated on her face cheeks
>>287072992Season 2 isn't even finished yet. But so far, the first half wasn't that great.
>>287086707
>>287086676>This is willfull misrepresentation of what Frieren is saying, she's talking about Solitar and how she sees humans as meer play things.immediate emotions and feelings manifest how people attempt to compare things in the moment.Or you know, that fun concept called "projection" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/projection
>>287086505>she GOT the point of view in battle.You completely misunderstood my point. Her beliefs remained the same despite Solitar trying to play tricks on her and making her feel like she was the real monster.
>>287086523Unstoppable
>>287086612>sneak attacked Does this look like a sneak attack to you? If Frieren was still not enough of a fighter and made a mistake of getting distracted when a comrade wasn't even in that much of a peril, that's just her not being enough of a fighter. Complaining that a character who builds her entire fighting stile on deception and cheap shots is a double banger.As for her injuries, expecting any sort of consistency in anime healing is just lol. Some things in this story can be analyzed - like, what feeling battle scenes are supposed to convey. Some require just not thinking too hard about it, like a warrior capable of cutting cliffs and castle towers struggling with an ordinary rope or not being able to just jump over a narrow canion. Healing is one of the latter.Not only you are splitting hairs and trying to invent meaning which just wasn't in the story to make Frieren perfect, you're trying to make her perfect just to get mad about it. What's even the point of your mental exercises?
>>287086751None of what you suggest is supported by the mangaWe see Solitar viewing humans like playthings multiple times, she does it against Fern and Stark. Frieren is literally just reaffirming what we have seen through exposition, which she does alot in this manga.
>>287086571With the difference that Frieren managed to win and save Weise at the same time, while Serie didn't accomplish anything.
>>287086612>he fight against Solitar she suffered nothing more than paper cutsThat's not true though. Solitar's mana attack bloodied her, just like she bloodied Solitar with the same spell.
>>287086794>If Frieren was still not enough of a fighter and made a mistake of getting distracted when a comrade wasn't even in that much of a peril, that's just her not being enough of a fighter.It's just to show that she cares about Denken's wellbeing, shonenshitter. Not a commentary on anything else
>>287086805>We see Solitar viewing humans like playthings multiple times, she does it against Fern and StarkAnd why can't it also be Frieren? Who was plainly and obviously getting toyed with for much of the fight by a demon who was finally her match?
>>287086832>Solitar's mana attack bloodied herLiterally just grazed her cheek and knocked her twintails outGo back and check, all the blood on her coat is from Macht which didn't really phase her either
>>287086844>Frieren was plainly and obviously getting toyed with for much of the fight*Solitar
>>287086907Solitar pointed out she was stalling, which still doesn't change the fact regardless.Why was it an abnormally tough battle? Why was she on the defensive most of the time or at all?Because it was a genuine test for her.
>>287086955Solitar pointed out a bunch of things. That she was still suppressing her mana, that she wasn't giving her all and that she was holding off engaging with her.But she could never work out the *why* until it was too late because she is a dumb demon that cannot comprehend the idea of putting yourself at a disadvantage to gain an advantage, which is what Frieren does. It's basically just Aura realisation moment all over again
>>287087037>But she could never work out the *why* until it was too late because she is a dumb demon that cannot comprehend the idea of putting yourself at a disadvantage to gain an advantage, which is what Frieren does.She truly didn't care about the why, or she would have been pressing it.The entire point was just demonstrating how, despite being seemingly even more "elevated" than macht, and throwing away the demon ego in a way (secrecy), she was still a victim to a different kind of ego in her irrational curiosity/obsession.
>>287072992it was mid
Can you imagine how stinky they get walking everyday from sunrise to sunset?
>>287086907>>287087037Reread 101, you dumb nigger. Frieren explains to you in plain text that she is losing the fight, that her attacks do not work on Solitar (even though Solitar allows her to take her best shots), and that she has to take a leap of faith, hoping that Fern is only petrified, not dead. It's nowhere near the Aura fight, where Frieren was just fucking around to kill Aura in the most disrespectful way possible and could win anytime.I don't really agree with anons who said that Solitar was just toying with Frieren though. Solitar was far too happy to die for an overconfident sadist who just got reality-checked. In that battle she was just doing things she loved, advancing her knowledge of magic and yapping, and if she would fall as the result, well, she abandoned all of her caution the moment she decided to give middle finger to the Mage Association, anyway.
>>287079013Yeah it gets unfairly scrutinized when it's simply another isekai/shonen fantasy anime with the twist that the journey's already over. It's still enjoyable if you turn your brain off as the animation's good and there's plenty of sakuga fights to hold your attention.
>>287086887I'm not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose or disingenuous. It was the attack that gave her that bruise / bloody face that she ahs in this page, same as Solitar.>>287086907
>>287087308>she abandoned all of her caution the moment she decided to give middle finger to the Mage Association, anywayCome again?
>>287087380Solitar knows who put down the barrier she just dismantled. Even if she does not yet know about Serie, she can be sure that tons of human mages would come chasing Macht. Even if they succeed in killing everyone around and throwing off the immediatel pursuit, Macht will soon paint a target on himself again. He's explicit about it. Solitar still decides to follow him and fight for the sake of his stupid dream, even though he is not forcing her, he literally says to her to do whatever she wants. That's a gigantic reversal from her behavior in the Goddess Monument Arc, where she refused to even show her face to enemies who could conceivably kill her.
>>287087436You talk as if the barrier was to protect Macht from people, not to protect prople from him and his unbreakable curse.
>>287076860> expects X> gets Y > is at ep14 and watched the ring sceneThe show is bad!You concede, you have successfully rage baited me anon. With all due respect, I implore you to look in the mirror and question wether or not it is you who is the alien elf, incapable of understanding.
>>287080101>Every fight>Guy with bix axe does big axe things>Mages do mage thingsYeah mid
>>287087308>Frieren explains to you in plain text that she is losing the fightShe doesn't, this is entirely your fanfiction. She has to work out how to defeat her replica too, which she doesYou powerleveler shonenshitter just have terminal brainrot which literally makes you start making shit up to fit your low iq pov of this series Pure delusion where you start ignoring the writing and believing your own headcanon instead >she has to take a leap of faith, hoping that Fern is only petrified, not dead.So fucking what? Frieren and Fern work together all the time every time, it's quite literally the point ever since Qual. Party is best. You clearly have no fucking clue what the writer is communicating in this manga, battle shonentard brainrot
>>287080815>Because then any sense of danger is gone.>Lernen landing a hit on frieren, clearly showcasing there are beings out there that pose a threat>Frieren and the team (past & present) running away from dangers they can't handle in S2. kek
>>287087924NTA>She doesn't, this is entirely your fanfiction.Frieren admits>solitars mana control mogs hers>solitar's attacks are destroying her defenses >she is at risk for a 1HKO at any time>she is struggling to hit her with any offensive spells which are getting negated>solitar's defense is too powerfulHow do you interpret this as anything but SHE IS LOSING?
>>287086523Yay, Makio in the top 5!
>>287087924Adding to this, last episode of the anime they fought a big wolf. It was giving them a hard time and Frieren couldn't hit it so Frieren came up with a plan to use herself (and Stark) as a distraction while Fern goes up high to zoltraak it outside of its range of mana detection.This is quite literally the move they use against Solitar. Are they saying Frieren was losing to a wolf, that she couldn't defeat it? No it's saying that good teamwork and ingenuity is how they solve problems, it's something monsters and demons really struggle with and why Frieren wins.Anybody looking at it from the perspective of huhhhduhhhh Frieren is weaker than a wolf then? She was losing to big woofer?? doesn't understand this manga /anime in the slightest Same goes for anyone doing similar for the Solitar fight
>>287087977Read this >>287088009And then go back to your shonenshitter threads, DBZspic
>>287087826Wut? The fact that the barrier protected the world from Macht is the reason why shattering it could not possibly go unnoticed.>>287087924>So fucking what?Ah. So you're just a fucking idiot who sees no difference betwen executing a plan where one reasonably controls all variables and betting blindly.>fanfiction>terminal brainrot >powerleveler shonenshitter >battle shonentardA little more projection and you will be able to earn your living as a lighthouse. You're literally writing fanfiction in your head and then seething about it on /a/. Well, at least your faggotry just made me realize that Frieren respected Qual quite a bit, compared to other demons, if she decided to double-team him with Fern. Even using Zoltraak for the deathblow was probably just the optimal choice, instead of deliberate styling.
>>287088026reddit-spacing retard, look up what "false-equivalence" means (also nice job avoiding the direct question, Macht would be proud).
>>287088042>reddit-spacing retardNewfag brainrot.
>>287088041>betting blindlyAgain so what? She didn't know Fern was alive since she hadn't found her gold statue yet but she had faith the demon was lying because she knows that's what demons do and faith that she had taught her apprentice well enough that she would know exactly what to do when Frieren pulls the trigger. And ofc she was right on both counts.And Frieren not knowing Ferns status is quite literally an issue caused by Macht and nothing to do with Solitar Now when Frieren finished analysing the Golden Lands Solitar was dead within seconds which tells you everything about what was actually stalling the inevitable Frieren winEverything else is just you reeeeing around the edges of a straightforward - Frieren wins because she is more resourceful and clever than dumb demon
I loved it.
>>287072992But what's the problem with this show? I finally watched it and now I'm going to start the manga. It's simply excellent. For the first time, I fully understand the opinion of the masses. It's simply one of the best shows, similar in quality to great ones like LOGH, Aria, Mushishi... Is it hated by average shonen fans? Or just by contrarians? Shonen haters? It's true that it has fights, but other quality shows like Madoka, Monogatari, or Joe have them, but none of them are cheap shonen, and the fights serve a purpose.
>>287080960I miss brain guy and red judas so much it's unreal bros
Wow it's like people finally almost realized Frieren is shit.
>>287088265more like retards seethe because they can't handle getting filtered by something "mainstream"
>>287088041>The fact that the barrier protected the world from Macht is the reason why shattering it could not possibly go unnoticed.And then what? They'd go on his golden turf and risk getting stoned as well?
>>287088166Bare in mind the manga is not on the same level as the anime, which elevates the source material by quite a few notches.
Filler season.
>ITS DOGSHIT>NOOOO ITS AOTYHow about its mediocre nigga. At least thats what I think
>>287088453Was viewing from that angle necessary? Cameraman must be living the dream.
>>287088692he was just trying to find a safe place where he wouldn't get sliced in half
>>287088623I don't think it's biggest fans are calling it AOTY.It's a decent to good sseason but I'd be shocked if anyone finds it on the same level as S1.Not only that it's the weakest part of the manga so far.
kek
>>287072992but i bet you'll watch s3 won't you?
>>287086523weak competition
>>287088858Is her eyesight really that good to aim that far?
>>287088990she tracks by mana
>>287088789
kono toori... kono TORI hahaha DOYA!
>200 years for a shitty bridgethis dude SUCKS
>>287089062i really like how they put a nod to OPM in here
>>287089067by himself!
>>287089134he had friends. even in medieval era, shouldn't take more than 20 years
>>287089273king of procrastination
>>287089067Wasn't he also building a village? I might not have gotten the full picture but I thought he was just chilling with the folks in the village and was building that bridge on the side
FRIEREN, you will FRIEREN to death HAHAHAHA
Macht the EL DORADO
>>287089004They can't track her when she's that far but she can track them?
>>287089384he was helping. also the bridge looks smaller in the anime for some reason
>>287089547Depends who she's fighting, but yeah she's really good with mana in general, and then being taught by a top 0.01% mage helped more.If you remember when Frieren first met her, she commented on how Fern was already great at controlling it despite being so young.Probably because she grew up in a war zone and was accidentally training her mana when she was hiding and running from danger
>>287072992>Frieren S2 was crap.Does your mom know you're shitposting in the basement again?
>>287072992
>>287088417Solitar is not and had never been arrogant enough to think she can win against concentrated efforts of humanity. She says that out loud. That's why she has been concealing her very existence so very carefully before, you know. While she might have never learned about the existence of Serie, Macht, in her view, is not someone who can stand against the entire humanity either. If not even the Demon King managed to, if Macht had been sealed before, then he could be and will be overwhelmed. That's why they initially plan to petrify all witnesses and disappear quickly.That raises the question why Solitar the coward even went to help Macht in the first place (I hope you do not believe her lies about seeking to kill him for the good of demonkind, she could have just as easily leave him to rot within the barrier until the end of his natural lifespan), and moreover, decided to stand at his side in battle? You can see the answer in her death scene. Where Frieren is much less happy to kill her than she is to die.
>>287089635or it's because why they said in the anime: Heiter taught her to supress her mana from an early age, after learning that Frieren did it
>>287089656>is not someone who can stand against the entire humanity eitherThere's no such thing as a unified "entire humanity".There are different regions, different empires, each with their own different goals. Seeing how the northern region is filled with monsters and still plenty of demons, he could just retreat further north.
>>287089647Don't take it so personally
>>287089772You know what your mom takes personally from me?
what the FUCK is her problem
>>287090009She was rised by a priest.
>>287090009She's your atypical glass cannon.>Can only do her thing with enough room and time - has no close quarters ability whatsoever.>Has to be looked after by other until she can find some free space - eg., Methode clearing the fog/Frieren distracting her own clone, with the nastiest magic shit we've seen so far in the show, to give Fern a clear shot.>If the ego is unchecked she'll start to believe she's the only party member of importance (there's one in every RPG party/player group.
>>287090135>If the ego is unchecked she'll start to believe she's the only party member of importanceStark saved her ass at least twice this season.Frieren saved her ass twice in the god demon fight, and Methode the third time.>>287090009She's an annoying cunt raised by an autistic elf who puts up wither her shit.
>>287090009she has the pancake spell now, life is good.
>>287072992>walk hundreds of miles>sometimes they flywhy dont they ride horses?
>>287090756horses would complicate more than help. Also they live in a world with giant monsters
>>287090756>buy a horsse>now you have to take care and maintain a horse>with an autist that spends all your travel money on trash legendaries
>>287090756>Why don't people just run everywhere?
>>287086523Japan likes Rei and Reilikes.
>>287089650Can you hear the theme when you see her?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu8COKiheGo
>>287091600I hear this themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFw59gXe2I&list=RDfOFw59gXe2I&start_radio=1
>>287072992S2 was .. ok. They're limited by the source material. Frankly, past the mage exam I didn't really like the story much and they can't skip over stuff because there's not a lot left to work with. My major issue with S2 that they DO have control over is that S2 starts relying more on anime tropes. There's a lot more 'frieren acts cute' and funny expressions and shit that were almost nonexistant in S1.
>>287091779Are you saying shes fat or that she is disgustingly sweet?
>>287091940Anime is not limited by the source material. It's only when idiots decide they want to adapt a manga 1:1 that they are limited by the source material. But I guess the corporations around them and the fans who riot if they deviate even one panel from the manga are what make that impossible. This industry is for fucking cowards now. Back in my day they shat on the source material and did what they wanted for the anime, and often it was better for it.
>>287075159>next season will only be a moderate amount of talkingThat's not trueThere's a lot of (good) yapping in the Macht arc
>>287072992The manga took a nosedive in quality after chapter 40 or so, I dont expect the anime to get any better. Hate when something starts with nice setting and characters only for the author not knowing how to follow up and ending up shitting the bed, its the main reason I dont buy anything until its finished.
>>287089067They're so fucking nonchalant about those supposedly deadly monsters. They're treated with less emotion than a harmless vermin infestation by real life people.
>>287091940>There's a lot more 'frieren acts cute' and funny expressions and shit that were almost nonexistant in S1.Because she's interacting with other people and slowly opening up you retard
>>287092289why wouldn't they be?
>>287092299Or maybe they re-realized what sells is cute girls acting cute
>>287091996Fat
>>287092289They're too OP. It's like One Punch Man only with SOL instead of comedy. There's no tension to build or anything since you know they will win. This is why It's just a slice of life adventurer anime. It's not meant to be watched for fighting. The fights are terrible--ESPECIALLY when they try to stretch them out and act like they matter, since it's just wasting time. Fighting anime only work when you can believe the hero can lose or someone can die.
>>287092454They knew that since S1. I agree with the other anon that it fits for her character to slowly change.
>>287092561they lose a lot though speed watcher.They literally run away some times.
>>287092606Just cast Zoltraak and they'll win over everything except the winter.
>>287072992it was a little worse than the s1, but i still enjoyed my stay.
>>287092810>they need to lose>well that doesn't count because they could still [...]lmao every time with your goalpost moving subhumans
>>287092942I've never seen them lose yet
>>287092994Because you're a speedwatcher who missed all the times they ran away.Or wait, does that not count because the only real "losing" is one of them dying?
>>287093013being gravely injured and having to have someone rescue them would count. running away when they end up beating the guy later doesnt really feel like a loss.
https://kowakunotsubo.com/archives/sousou-no-frieren-ep38/jarman’s blog version of the final episode thread is up now>tfw I got the last line it was a mid gag but I guess it made for a good closer
>>287092561>They're too OP. It's like One Punch Man only with SOL instead of comedy.Things are about to change real fast with the next arc
>>287092326Even experienced sappers fell a rush of emotions like fear, stress, excitement and uncertainty when they defuse explosive materials despite doing that many times before.>>287092561Of course, but even the dwarf here doesn't give much of a shit when his masterpiece of a plank, 200 years in production, is in a potential danger. And technically Stark and especially Fern-the one trick pony are at best glass canons, in contrast to OPM it's the plot armour that keeps them relatively unscathed, not their canonical OPness, so they're only threatened during the "narratively-important" fights and perils.
>>287093110How many eps have we had to sit through to get there? Cut the filler. Most series in the old days were only 26 eps or less for a reason, and they still had a bunch of filler.
>tfw fern is too fat to be blown away
>>287093178>How many eps have we had to sit through to get there? Cut the filler.It's not filler, SoL is part of the series just like fantasy magic fights arePeople who reject one or the other don't get both are part of Frieren's adventure
>>287092561That's correct, now go back to your shounenfag shows where you belong.
>>287093178watch another series man, this one is not for you
>>287093179She's holding to briefcase loaded with stuff.
>>287093204But the thing is...Frieren is shounen.>Frieren: Beyond Journey's End (Japanese: 葬送のフリーレン, Hepburn: Sōsō no Furīren; lit. 'Frieren at the Funeral' or 'Frieren the Slayer'[b]) is a Japanese manga series written by Kanehito Yamada [ja] and illustrated by Tsukasa Abe. It has been serialized in Shogakukan's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Sunday since April 2020
>>287083716Thy should have sold the anti magic crystal, too bad nothing in this series matters
>>287093314>reddit spacershonenfag and people who enjoy shonen are different concepts retard
i can't wait for the final jarman video...
>>287093362Oh I'm so sorry for not spacing my post the way you wanted. Here it is for you, master. But the thing is...Frieren is shounen. >Frieren: Beyond Journey's End (Japanese: 葬送のフリーレン, Hepburn: Sōsō no Furīren; lit. 'Frieren at the Funeral' or 'Frieren the Slayer'[b]) is a Japanese manga series written by Kanehito Yamada [ja] and illustrated by Tsukasa Abe. It has been serialized in Shogakukan's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Sunday since April 2020 Anyone who enjoys shounen is a shounenfag. I know this deep in my bones. We are all shounenfags now.
>>287093314>It's shonen because... muh source says sofucking kek, thanks for the laugh anon
>>287093529>>287093314Does it REALLY matter what "genre" it is?What matters to me is if its good or not, and I think Frieren is very good
>>287093529>>287093590You seriously don't know that shounen is a demographic (not a "genre") and it is factually undeniable based on what magazine it's in? I guess facts don't matter here anyway since we're on /a/ though.
>>287072992So was S1
>>287093620Literally what does it matter, as long as its fun.
>>287093620>You seriously don't know that shounen is a demographic (not a "genre")Just like young adult, a distinction without a difference>and it is factually undeniable based on what magazine it's in? Again, and? This doesn't change my argument, as I said, I don't care.
I really do not understand the complaint about the cast not being challenged enough. I could understand complaining about the cast receiving plot armor for the sake of Frieren being right (it would not be very fun for her to adventure alone after Lugner shooting Fern straight through the heart with his surprise attack, and Linie double-tapping Stark while he was down; and several fights, starting with the sleeping flower involved Frieren successfully relying on comrades about whose abilties or status she could not be sure). But Frieren just being strong? She is a very competent veteran. She is presented as such from the start. She has few peers. She is literally a high-level mage retracing the quest she already did, albeit with better supports. And she comes prepared when she needs to confront one of her old foes, while they are usually clueless about her real ability. Or have no option but to wait until she attacks. She actually gets in trouble more than once, when she unexpectedly faces random encounter monsters or natural trap. What else do you expect from not-very-long-so-far story? For her to struggle in every fight, like some casul noob?
>>287093696>>287093705It means anyone who calls someone else "shounenfag" while enjoying Frieren is a hypocrite.
>>287088166>It's simply one of the best shows, similar in quality to great ones like LOGH, Aria, Mushishi...bait>Is it hated by average shonen fans?No, those love Frieren>but none of them are cheap shonenYou need to rewatch basically every Stark fight scene, his fight against Linie plays out exactly as a battle shonen fight
>october 2027WHATTHAT'S TOO FUCKING LONG AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>287093811>Yes, she needs to struggle, get punched to the fucking ground, then, when all else fails, pull a deus ex machina that revives himmel and with the power of nakama, use her domain expension to but fuck the demons with her staff
>>287093838>It means anyone who calls someone else "shounenfag"No, I think "shounenfag" refers to a particular kind of poster, the one that asks why there aren't more fights, and shit like that.It doesn't refer to the whole genre or shonen magazine being something that should be discarded
>>287093179Starkbros... can we still pivot to the elf?
>>287093905that's actually decently fast for a 12 episodes season. hope quality won't nosedive and the s1's director work on it.
>>287094017serie you mean? sure
>>287094010Then >>287093204 is using it improperly.I literally said ". It's not meant to be watched for fighting." and his response was "That's correct, now go back to your shounenfag shows where you belong."
>>287092289Their whole lives since they were children involved war, death, and attacks by human and non-human creatures. Humans are very adaptive to their circumstances and even in these "peaceful" times they live an existence far worse than the majority of modern people. Those who saw even worse states of the world like the dwarf or Frieren are even more used to this. It's no different than a Pinay who has lived surrounded by roaches and garbage all their live vs some new england middle class person who yelps when they see their first roach.
>>287094132That's correct, I said that, so why are you still here shounenfag kun?
>>287093204>it's not shounen therefore terrible fights are not a bad thing
>>287094304Because you used it improperly. Someone saying your favorite Shounen animu is not meant to be watched for fights isn't a shounenfag for just stating a fact you agree with.
>>287094304>vtuber picGo back to wherever you came from
>>287094373You're hearing voices again anon, here, take your pills.
>>287094432Oh my bad officer, would you like to see my license and registration as well?
>>287092165Can’t wait for this series to get a shit ending and see everyone turn against overnight.
>>287086523>FrierenBoring>Oshi no koShit>Ikoku NikkiBoring. Anime for grannies>Seihantai na kimi to bokuBitch>ShiboyugiThe only good anime>Yuusha-isekai slopBoring as hell>Mayonaka not-punchBoring as shitThe anime that normalfags love the most are either shit or some of the most boring shows you can imagine
kino
>>287095348>Eisen isn’t a ghost, he just astrally projected himself to the Northern Plateu just to grab Stark’s ass
>so don't you warry>nana neenee no no no no no no oooeee>this storyyyy
>>287095702Pure soul
>>287088133Yuno Gasai, but older and uglier
>>287094373Is that Beatrice?
>>287090009She is fat
>>287093083Kinda sloppy this time, especially for a final episode. I hope this is a first draft.
>>287095928No it's Peter Griffin.
>>287072992I'm on S1 episode 3, when does it get good? i'm trying not to fall asleep here
>>287096619When the demons appear.
>>287096619Episode 1 is basically the only good episode of the show, everything else is either downhil or undermine what episode 1 did.
>>287096915No, lolWhat comes afterwards>Is frieren changing her understanding of life and trying to be different with stark and fern>It's a refutation of the "I didn't know him", because it turns out she knew him a lot, she just didn't realize it yet
>>287097082Actually the plot is Frieren failing a chuunin exam because reasons and then fighting enemies with a powercreep so severe only deus ex machina skills can beat them.
why did Serie ban Frieren from the thing after the mage exam?because she wrecked her magic barrier or was it something else?she's kind of a bitch desu
>>287098041She doesn't want Frieren disrupting the company culture she's trying to cultivate.
>>287097876>because reasonsBecause serie doesn't like her>Muh powercreepNo, even as early as the aura fight it was established she could have won had she not relied on the scale and got trickedSeven sages were always meant to be the shit. And Macht is the strongest of them.And the empire would obviously create counters to mages given they are a magic reliant nation. The "powercreep" is a perfectly natural progression
>>287082452She is a Mary Sue whore ass protagonist as Rey Skywalker. Niggers jannies toungue my anus. Like Hololive that belong in >>>/trash/
>>287086810>With the difference that Frieren managed to win and save Weise at the same time, while Serie didn't accomplish anything.Serie probably could have saved Weise herself if she had stayed and tried harder instead of getting bored after five minutes. Ironic for an immortal.
>>287099256>Based and redpilled fellow NijiGawds always win
>>287072992Destinationfags complaining about a series meant for journeychads
>>287098391>it was established she could have won had she not relied on the scale and got trickedThat's not true. She said she would have been in trouble had Aura tried to overwhelm her with numbers. Even so, that was only because she decided not to blast them with flashy spells, like she did the first time.
>>287092289>They're so fucking nonchalant about those supposedly deadly monsters. They're treated with less emotion than a harmless vermin infestation by real life people.They're RPG protagonists and those are random encounter monsters.
>>287099440>Serie probably could have saved Weise herselfOfc she could
>>287098041Because she wasn't in awe of her superiority.
>>287086323The fight wasn't one-sided, it was even. But Solitar was about to win in the long run.It's actually a common demon strategy, to engage in battle of attrition, since they're often stronger or/and have bigger mana pool than humankind.
>>287099821>battle of attritionTake a drink, everytime someone in "Frieren" says "so it's battle of attrition now".
i fucking love ubel
>>287100000yeah the authors like calling any prolonged fighting "battle of attrition"
>>287099647>demon snack still takes words at face valueDid you expect her to outright say "I genuinely don't care, only came here for a fight" to her apprentices?
>>287100440>this place can't be saved
>>287072992Just finished this season. The last two episodes were great. Episode 9 is my favorite this season and probably is the best one. Also, looking forward to Denken's arc in the next season. Seems very promising and I like the character.
>>287100241Me tooI wish she would stop doing self harm. I bet I could fix her
>>287080960>JJK is nothing without the brain guy. S3 was so terrible without himS3 is a terrible arc in the manga and MAPPA is saving it from complete disgrace with a very goop presentation
>>287099517>Even so, that was only because she decided not to blast them with flashy spellsAnon, you miss the pointIf she blast them with spells she uses her mana pool. Aura has tons of mana, meaning she would be putting herself in danger of being either SCALED or magically overwhelmedShe beat aura basically using her trick of keeping her mana hidden, it would have been a real problem otherwise, she could have won but not easily.
>2 seasons of nonstop kino
>>287098041Serie sees Frieren as the one who carries on the will of Flamme, her first (?) and greatest student. Flamme ended up as a mage who saw a different path forward for magic than Serie, which she admired and also resented. Flamme was a failure, but only as a student and successor, in Serie's mind, Flamme is an existence equal to her own, and Frieren is as such, Series competition, the head of a different school of thought. Serie does not want Frieren in her organization, Frieren does not belong there. Serie wants to collect all the worlds magic and mastery in the body of one mage, Frieren want to share magic with everyone, which was Flamme's vision of the future of magic. So Serie respects Frieren, she has to as she respects Flamme who found another way for magic to reach the zenith. As such, she will not allow Frieren to study or be under her, as she positioned Flamme as a peer, not a student when she read her will and realized that Flamme had archieved her dream. Serie's cold attitude towards Frieren is that of a rival, not a senior, such is her respect for her late student.
>>287098041because she's a cunt
>>287101359Will Frieren be powerful enough to manifest Serie's death trough her words alone?
Came across this today, didn't think people would be making their own versions of Frieren's music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJV5rYNS14
>>287089826Your anal virginity? Also not how that image is used.
>>287098391>Because serie doesn't like herYeah, thats exactly "because reasons", she doesnt like her but she doesnt really elaborate why she shouldnt pass an exam, supposedly Frieren is extremely skilled mage, more than anyone else taking the exam, Serie even lets Frieren act as her bodyguard, there should be a bit more of backstory than just "I dont like you, so you fail", manga was supposed to be about Frieren, her life, her travels and her reflecting on her past, making a couple chapters about Serie onesided animosity against her does fit the premise, but the manga got infected by the shonen virus, guess Oda bited Yamada.The powercreep Im talking comes after the chuunin exams, the next bad guys are so overpowered they reached "Heh, nothing personel kid" levels of power, yet the party comes on top because they are saiyans and the more they get bashed the stronger they get so they activate their new skill and win, I mean they are mages.
It wasn't until I watched some jarman vids that I realized that Serie is a tsundere since I wasn't thinking of such hokey trash while watching Frieren. But they portray it well rather than being an angry whiplash romanceslut
>>287101063>Serie wants to collect all the worlds magic and mastery in the body of one mage, Frieren want to share magic with everyone,Except in reality Serie actively shares her magic with apprentice to the point of leaving herself unprotected in a key area, while Frieren doesn't, and the latter's sole apprentice is the very definition of a single-trick murder machine.
>>287098041They were never in best terms. Remember Frieren said this will prob be the last time they'll meet when she passed Flamme's will. When Serie asked Frieren what her fav magic was in the exam, Serie was basically asking Frieren to kneel just one time and come to her terms. I bet Serie would've happily given first class cert if Frieren answerd demon killing Zoltraak she co-developed. But Frieren refused, basically told her to fuck off, so Serie got angy.
>>287083839Heiter would just fix it, having a priest is OP
>>287101675Serie is still assmad Flammel didn't make Frieren into a perfect weapon, and Frieren still succeeding proving Serie's belief that they needed one wrong.
>>287102996I want to know what that striped top looks like without the capelet on top of it.
>>287101631That's actually pretty good.
>>287103518you'll never see it
>>287084448what kind of anime does this faggot give high scores to
>>287083839>Sunset found him squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, he was shitting brown water. The more he drank the more he shat, but the more he shat, the thirstier he grew.
>>287100750He's going to die just to demonstrate the power of that long-horned demon and build anticipation for his fight with Frieren
>>287072992I really liked the first two episodes, especially Hero of the South. And Himmel's diary was great. Most of the other episodes felt like a lesser offering of things that were done better in S1 (emotional buildup and payoff, bonding moments, reflecting on missed opportunities, TDD, etc.)
>>287085221Fine, but Himmel is Gary Stu. You can't deny it.
>>287084774>nothing in it warrants its 1st place status on malConsidering that with just an autistic brawl with jojo's fanbase made it drop by 0.10 point, and that this shit happens almost once a season it won't take that long to reviewbomb it even below FMAB, that is the fate of whatever the #1 anime currently is.
>>287105804but he's not though.
>>287084774>>287106008>le ranking site controversyMAL, IMDb, Letterbox, etc. are ALL artificial. That is the fucking point, especially when you have jobless Redditors on standby to protect their """prestige television""" rating. A couple of weeks ago Breaking Bad and GoT spinoff were chipping away at each other's numbersNone of this shit fucking matters
>>287105804I guess if you take away the narcissism as his flaw he kinda can come off that way, but he's dead now. He wouldn't work as a permanent party members, but for a flashback character? 10/10
This shot of Fern looks very familiar, like I've seen this same face and smile in another anime but I cannot put my finger on where
>>287083716why didn't they sell the location of the mines?
>>287096177Dorothy?
>the notMongolian guy wanted to conserve the mineral field from greedy capitalist pig dogsIf that was the case why was it necessary to slay Suicune
>>287106374So people could see it, he's a capitalist KING too but he's investing in tourism instead of mining
>>287105804his naive optimism got people killed.But at the same time, HImmel is supposed to be a little ridiculous and mythological.Frieren's author loves contradictory or ironic characters, and Himmel's fundamentally is the Hero Myth except he's a technically "fake" hero who made his own way.
>>287106261it's the same pose she does after the mage exam.
>>287106460There's still that big pack of wolves and the Norm knights aren't going to be patrolling that area every other hour
>>287106525But like I said I saw it somewhere in a different anime too
>>287106261When she told Frieren she got the laundry spell from Serie at the end of S1it was intentionally done to signal the end of the season
>>287104146It's still so weird to me that people can make orchestral music through a DAW. I'm too oldfag to think of beepboop programs are only good for beep music
>>287100181Why is Fern such a fat fuck
>>287107021just imagine when she retires from traveling and stops walking 20 miles a day.
>>287107119Like Stark is going to let her get any rest. He's got to rebuild Klee village
The Demon General Revolte arc was very well done
>>287074724disgusting
>>287098041Serie thinks Frieren is an irresponsible elf.
I liked the part when a demon appears and Frieren says "it's Friering time".
>>287098041it's because she's a big baby throwing a tantrum. it literally is just that simple
>>287084448>he's right about everything
>>287105379seemingly vinland saga season 2, and spyxfamily season 1
>>287088453Land between multiple Übels' legs foreshadows the nature of their eventual relationship.
>>287072992>manga hype peaked at Aura>anime hype peaked at Aura
>>287072992There’s a season 2? Since when
>>287109723normalfags will still prefer aura, but solitar has a stronger appeal with different types
>>287109840Solitar's way more interesting. Aura's just O-HO-HO-HO-HO! plus decapitation fetish.
>>287109873Aura is funny as a memeAura is hilarious as a memeSolitar is a more exciting and dangerous enemy but >yeah just kill yourselfis pretty hard to top
>>287109955Aura's death is more entertaining. Solitar is an actual character, albeit still pretty cliché.
>>287109955solitar just laughs as she's dying, even when she technically lost, she still won.
>>287072992it's the real frieren thread >>> >>287110054>>287110054
>>287107157>starfish>get's pregnant (actually just fat)>I'm eating for two nowowari da
>>287110420>adventurers i have a request>an unknown monster has destroyed the regions food supply!
>>287110078stfu triptard
>>287110490>the new adventurer party goes looking for the monster>all of a sudden the sun is blotted out >”what the fuck there was no eclipse predicted this year”>they look up >an enormous zeppelin is looming far overhead >ionization of the air caused by disrupted weather systems causes a faint glow of St Elmo’s fire along its hull>a butterfly symbol is faintly visible >suddenly an incredible barrage of Zoltraak beams starts raining down from the sky
It gave us more Methode so it wasn't all bad
>>287101852She gatekeeps magic, the fact that she throws some of them a bone with one spell does not change that.
>>287110493stop making trollb8 threads, OP.>Frieren S2 was crap. >>287072992
>>287110751You can argue whether she's gatekeeping or teaching magic to everyone is inherently pointless, because even in the most magic-egalitarian society, built on Flamme's wishes, the difference between commoners and actual mages is qualitative, not quantitative - no amount of average citizens, without crazy assassin training, can take out or restrain even a single special forces mage. But you cannot argue that Serie does way more to spread and popularize magic than Frieren ever did or attempted to do.People also seem to severely misunderstand the legacy Flamme imparted in her apprentice. They memory-hole the "magic is awesome, but you, and specifically you, Frieren, will be trained to make a mockery of it, and live for the sake of being a demon-murdering weapon" part. Even though Flamme herself admitted that she only taught Frieren how to fight and kill. One spell to make flowers does not override that easily. What Frieren believes about Flamme's ideals on the intellectual level and what she actually internalized are different things.
>>287111117>People also seem to severely misunderstand the legacy Flamme imparted in her apprentice.Yeah, seemingly you
>>287111117OH OH OHshe's like the sensitive guy who lives in a village and wants to be an artist or a poet but then war comes to his village and he has to become an cold killah because he is carried away by the tide of history sadmany such cases
>>287111168And then Flamme squeezed that out of Frieren with 50 years of training, so after Frieren's combat ability finally failed, she sulked, hid herself in the forest and stared at flowers for half a fucking millenium, until Himmel taught her that life can actually be fun.
>>287111117>People also seem to severely misunderstand the legacy Flamme imparted in her apprentice.She can impart her idealism while lamenting the reality, which is the point.But I agree, people tend to forget or understate the lamenting part.Ultimately, I think Frieren successfully iterated on her teachings with Fern, in bridging or balancing the idealism vs reality. So Flamme would probably be happy.
>>287111218Yes she went back to doing what she actually cared about instead of killing stuff, which she dislikes. However much Flamme trained her for fighting or revenge her over riding desire is to search for and see the evolution of magic, this is the actual legacy she carries around with her and mirrors the legacy Flamme left with the Empire. Literally the reason she's even engaged with the current manga plot line at all.Eventually you will realise you are defeating your own argument the more you try and talk about it
https://kowakunotsubo.com/archives/sousou-no-frieren-ep38/blog's up
Rereading the Flamme fragments also made me realize something. Demons are cunning, but arrogant and careless when it comes to their mana or magic in general. So they can be tricked by various seemingly cheap moves, most eminently mana concealment.But humans are the same when it comes to words. We're extremely cunning when using communication to get what we want, and we instinctively think that we can tame a demon by just saying the right things. So while demons are much worse at lying than humans or elves (just like other races are worse than demons at magic), they very rarely have subtlely or patience for extended manipulation, they can often make us drop our guard for the critical moment by saying outrageous bullshit they don't even comprehend.I'm saying, demonposters are kindred souls to Aura in a certain way, after all.>>287111295Anon... that's a really bad page to post if you want to prove Frieren contributing something to the evolution of magic by means other than violent conflict. This is exactly what I'm talking about. On the intellectual level Frieren cares about Flamme's ideal of magic available to everyone. On the level of internalized values that actually inform actions, she only contributes to this ideal by engaging in violence to protect it. She doesn't say, spend time to invent a universal statue-cleaning spell that works on any material and then distribute it.>Eventually you will realise you are defeating your own argument the more you try and talk about it.Pot, kettle, black.
>>287111412jarman cut the entirety of the bridge discussion, as expected>I haven't decided what to put together this spring yet. Please let me know if you have any recommendations.>My current candidates are Akane Banashi and Atelier Witch Hatwhat the hell is akane banashi
>>287111510That page doesn't count lol Also that's not what I said anyway. Frieren wants to *witness* the evolution of magic, something Flamme massively contributed towards and is most in practice in the empire, where magic is an everyday thing. It's the very thing Serie was against as she believes magic should only be for those she herself deems worthy, this is the basis for their entire clash of ideals and we know why side of the fence Frieren (and the entire narrative of the manga) falls on>She doesn't say, spend time to invent a universal statue-cleaning spell that works on any material and then distribute it.Why does she need to? Her interest is in collecting magic, she created a few spells to solve problems but most of the time she's searching for what already exists. Flamme is the one that stimulated the first wave of magic evolution and it has been continuing through humans lands ever since. Frieren is there to witness that change, something both her and Flamme have explicitly talked about.Now you can keep trying to dismiss the actual manga content but it wont actually change it you know
Facilitating a world of easy access to magic != wanting to actively spread it being being the Grimoire Santa>Frieren want to share magic with everyonewas probably not the way to phrase it, because it implies an onus on her. You dorks are arguing over misspoken pedantry
>>287072992It was fine but too short, not to mention now are making us wait for a whole year, feels like Frieren is directing this shit
>>287111765There was no way they were going to make Frieren S2 good without throwing the Golden City Arc in and it was a conscious decisions I agree with since 12 episodes would not do that story arc justice. Either convert to a movie/movies or S3. Buckle up because the next 2 arc iterations are going to be the same.
>>287088762S1 wasn't really AOTY material either with the battle-shonen heavy mage exam arc. Shonen fans or children would probably rate it higher though.
>>287112178I don't agree with GOAT or AOTD status which a lot of people overrated it as, but it was absolutely AOTY tier even in a crowded year. Delicious in Dungeon, Oshi no Ko, Jujutsu Kaisen S2, Vinland Saga S2 and Apothecary Diaries were the only ones that came close and for me, Apothecary Diaries was the closest out of that list but still lost because even if the base story is superior, the premise isn't as good as Frieren which spanned the gamut of emotions and switching from SOL to etc. and TOHO is just less experienced and talented as Madhouse. I think it would've won any other year as AOTY from 2018 to 2023. It really should've gotten its manga adaptation sooner.
popularity poll 9th place https://x.com/FRIEREN_PR/status/2038546775267500140
>>287112600WHAT THE FUCKWHAT THE FUCKWHAT THE FUCK
>>287112681that's normally what happens to fotm girls
>>287112690>what happens to fotm girlsAs opposed to random demon lady who gets zoltaaraked by Fern?This is a conspiracy, big Methode is behind this, she's been jelous and pulling bs ever since pic related happened
>>287112718>As opposed to random demon lady who gets zoltaaraked by Fern?it'll happen to her too
>>287112741>it'll happen to her tooNOT the sameI'll get my revenge once the imperial arc gets animated, but I can't believe animeonlies are such disgusting creatures as to drop her the moment a new girl appears.They don't deserve perfection
>>287112896can you go back to /v/ with your stolen reddit posts please
>>287112913>NPC triggered >instant generic shitpost reply because he cannot defend his shitshowMy post is anti-Frieren (so it is anti-Reddit)
>>287112944>it's actually your genuine thoughtsgrim
>>287112896>I only watch popular shonen: the Post
>>287072992Even that Promo poster has her standing in the air instead with her legs hanging. This season's animation was shit
>>287112977she flew like that in s1 though
>>287112972Well, it is a Frieren thread.
>>287111666>That page doesn't countAgain, pot, kettle, black. You are the one completely ignoring certain pages. I'm the one seeing the wholesome moments of a relationship in their full context.And returning to the starting point. >their entire clash of idealsThere is no such thing. Not only their ideals are identical, Serie is incomparably more willing to work and sacrifice for them. Including her own life. Remember, she could have turned the Empire's capital into a crater and its entire mage corps into corpses, if she took things seriously. She is not doing that for the same reason Frieren wants to prevent the conflict: the Empire is Flamme's legacy. And she is not willing to sacrifice the Mage Association, either. If the author actually wanted to sell us some ideological difference between Frieren and Serie, he did a piss-poor job of it. It is proclaimed in-character, but not shown, and their conflict comes off as a string of women moments on both sides.Now, it IS possible, and, indeed, hinted, that Serie is a lying villain, whose positive emotional connections and quirky facade are real, to an extent, but cannot override her monstrous ego (in such case Macht/Solitar, among their other functions in the plot, foreshadow her nature). Then Frieren's mistrust and dislike of her would turn into the results of her accumulated wisdom, allowing her to correctly suspect Serie and guess parts of her motives even before the latter's true nature is fully revealed. But so far it did not happen.
>>287113202>You are the one completely ignoring certain pages. I'm the one seeing the wholesome moments of a relationship in their full context.No, I'm posting manga panels and you are the one refusing to engage with them and posting only headcanon.I know a Seriefag when I see one, kek. It's all you ever do
>>287113235>No, I'm posting manga panels and you are the one refusing to engage with themSays one stalwartly refusing to engage with this panel:>>287111117
>>287086156This is German HipHop slang
>>287113253I already engaged with it and everything I posted from the manga showing how off the mark your actually on this you dismissed as said it didn't count lolThe reason why Serirfags like you cherry pick, ignore and turn to headcanon so often is simply because you cannot make a valid point by only using the manga. It's just doesn't support your points so you move on to fanfic-ing your own version of events. Which is exactly what you have done in your above paragraphs You are writing and read your own manga
So are we getting season 2 part 2 in October of 2027, or is that season 3?
>>287113276>I already engaged with itNo, you didn't.>and everything I posted from the manga showing how off the mark your actually on thisNo, it doesn't. >you dismissed as said it didn't count lolNo, I never did that.>cherry pick, ignore and turn to headcanon Projection. You're outright ignoring Flamme's own assessment and pretend that trying to make amends in small ways (like with the flower spell, which was introduced right after the panel I posted) somehow fixed Frieren. Even though they obviously didn't, and after Flamme's death Frieren was a demon exterminator, then a failed demon exterminator, with no real interest in anything or anyone, until meeting Himmel and the party.And, for that matter, absolutely nothing you posted confirms that Serie and Frieren, even after the latter's character development, view magic differently.
>reddit spacing again
>>287113333>No youCompelling argument SeriefagStill waiting for you to post something actually from the manga and not just use your time old tradition of trying to override it with headcanon and conjecture
>>287072992Why didn’t Himmel just grab her by the pussy and explain sexual intercourse
>>287111522It would be a shame if he picks kkk hat tumblr witch but all the threads get ravaged to hell by typical 4chan political infighting and he can’t use any of the posts
>>287113848it's the only anime that people are going to watch this season
>>287105429This the the last place I thought I would see sunsetposting
>>287072992yeah it was really just bunch of nothing
>>287077686>What I see is more like an alien studying us rather than an actual personYes. Because elves aren't humans they don't understand us with our short lives and why we "rush" to accomplish something. She is like an alien in that regard. Her long lifespan makes her more alike to demons which showed when she told Fern or Denken (I believe) that she has difficulties to adapt to "new" spells so it should be the same with very old demons while human mages on the other hand grew up with new Magic. Humans, elves and demons are not the same and experience the world differently. You should not humanize Frieren and enjoy her elf antics
>>287083118Frieren just wants to talk to dead people so those can wait and she gets engaged in all different sidemissions. Denken is only on his quest to go to his dead wive's grave so of course he would use the fastest route
>>287072992Any news on manga hiatus?Someone was implying there would be a statement made in 12 hours, 48 hours ago.
