It's kind of surprising that Digimon isn't more popular. They even have a bunny wearing pants with machine guns for arms.
Things become popular through marketing.
>>287076155Which means?
>>287076451It's an awkward franchise to market. Though it seem thanks to this being less popular it final might get normal dubs
Yeah it's a childrens show.
>>287076967Where's this from?
>>287076130Digimon won my childhood because I could make them poop all over the place.Meanwhile Pokemon scared the heck out of me with all the prisoned inside the void in a fucking ball!
>>287076130>isn't more popular.It isn't?
>>287078369Compared to Pokemon, it isn't.
I think I watched Monster Rancher more than either Digimon or Pokemon. Though I played the Pokemon games more. I tried playing some Digimon games but could never get the hang of them.
>>287078442Pokémon it's the top highest earning franchises in the world, it's an absurd comparison
>>287078448>Monster RancherWhat it is about?
>>287080450the game was about ranching monsters but the anime's plot is exactly the same as digimon
>>287078086Xros wars/ Fusion that was the last time I noticed old dub stuff in it the OVAs seem to play it straight, but it's awkward when they used the old cast
>>287080477There isn't much art it seems. I wonder why.
>>287080450https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXUlVG21wEc
>>287076130I can only speak from an American perspective but Digimon's issue is that it directly tried to compete with Pokémon at it's height with the same demographic. The real tragedy is that Digimon couldn't snap up the kids getting older, edgier and phasing out of Pokémon like Yugioh did
>>287079020It should be there besides Digimon, not just another anime.
>>287080827Digimon could never beat Pokemon in popularity, however, it was relatively popular back in the late 90s early 2000s when it aired Fox Kids, but it bleed its popularity thanks to changing setting/casts with Digimon Tamers, then lost even more when Fox Kids died and Digimon Frontier was aired infrequently on some other channel at that point.
>>287080606the game was about mix and match critters generated by a gimmick with the ps2's cd-reader to generate a monster so there isn't an really an iconic mascot character.
>>287083524Is Digimon Frontier good?
Maybe it's because there was only one good episode of digimon ever
>>287083835No. That's another reason the franchise lost steam after Tamers: Frontier sucked hard.
>>287083620I liked the featureless rectangular slab golems, but those admittedly have zero marketability
>>287083835It had things I liked but a lot of people go UH NOT MUH PARNURS! It was different. Not everything worked but it was interesting.
>>287083985My problem with it wasn't so much the lack of partners as the baffling story decisions. Like having Zoe gets her dramatic debut Kazemon... only to immediately get her ass kicked, thus cementing her as a loser who can't even win in her own focus episode. Or the Royal Knights arc having the heroes lose again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again for eight episodes in a row straight.
>>287083835Yes
>>287083945Which one?
>>287084117>baffling story decisionsThat is the only consistent thing about Digimon media. It's because BAMCO and TOEI keep it that way so they keep getting bribe money from TPC (The Pokémon Company) for sabotaging the projects. There is not other explanation for how they treat the franchise. I honestly believe Time Stranger was mostly done in secret, which explains why it basically came out of nowhere.
What games did the Digimon fans play, because they sure as hell weren’t as popular as Pokémon’s. We have four games labeled Digimon World and they’re all unrelated.
>>287076130Momentai! Love that 'lil guy
>>287085984Why are you asking this in a thread about the anime? Anyhow, I played the PlayStation fighting games, the one for the GBA/WonderSwan too and then the DS RPG games. My brother played the fighting games too, then Re:Arise (gacha) for Android and then Survive and Time Stranger for Windows.
>>287076130Who says it isn't popular? Digimon has always been well-liked on /a/.Why do newfags like you make stupid, ignorant posts?
>>287083524>Fox KidsWho cares? Digimon wasn't made for foreigners, it was made for Japan.Why do westoids think their secondhand experiences are important?
>>287076130Them making terriermon a main mascot was so big
>>287076451Most monster tamers franchises out there are harder to market when compared to Pokemon.Pokemon is simple, down to its very bones, very streamlined gameplay and mechanics, even the advanced ones like IV/EV training.Other monster tamer franchises? Yeah, try to get a hold of how a digimon evolution line works, or how many personas you should fuse to get the perfect one, or how training works in Monster Rancher.Digimon has cool designs and cool merch, and most anime from the franchise are decent, but when it comes to games which is what keeps the interest in the franchise going... yeah, they kinda drop the ball.
>>287085984Digimon fans did not play the games, the early games except world 1 were terrible. You had two types of digimon fan:>The type that got in through the tamagotchi. These are the types that would end up eventually playing World 1 because they would want to make their tiny LCD battle pet in 3D and >The kids who watched the anime because it was 'better than pokemon'.Let's be fair, they both have very good reasons to think that. The anime was way better than Pokemon's and the tamagotchi was way better for a 12 year old kid than actual tamagotchi because they could cast fireballs. It was a different demographic, and every digimon kid I knew also played Pokemon because what Digimon didn't do, Pokemon did. You know who really got screwed? The Monster Rancher kids.
>>287087596It also doesn't help that it came out during the peak of Video Games' satanic panic era and there are multiple digimon that are just "Literally satan" and multiple other digimon that are "Literally satan but she has big boobs"
>>287087596>Pokemon is simple, down to its very bones, very streamlined gameplay and mechanics, even the advanced ones like IV/EV training.I think this is a massively understated part of all this: Digimon games just aren't very good. Bandai saw pokemon explode in the west after they made World 1 and tried to think long and hard about what Kids saw in that game that no one else did, instead of realizing that it was portability of the Game Boy combined with the fact the game is very easy- they instead made grindy JRPGs on the Playstation that took months to beat because the random encounter rates were absurd even for JRPGs on the playstation.Pokemon really took off because it was the first game you could take to your friends and show them your progress., and progress was not hard to do, a ten year old isn't going to beat something like Final Fantasy Legend or Dragon Quest because that game will ream them without proper party management, but Pokemon doesn't care. It's designed to be almost impossible to not be able to beat it. And the accessibility was very important for kids who even back then didn't have good attention spans.
>>287087270Well dumbass, I'm replying to a comment about why Digimon isn't that popular.The comment still applies to Japan anyway. Digimon Adventure/02 were relatively popular in Japan, had a relatively popular card game, had a decent amount of video games, then it loses ground with Digimon Tamers and Frontier, then it gets a CG movie, then it goes 3 years without an anime and almost reaches dead franchise territory.
>>287087244Why are you accusing other people of ignorance when you can't even read English? The post does not say it is unpopular.
>>287087711that's a slight factor, yeah. pokemon though mostly got the brunt of the satanic panic scare though because it was an additional moralistic excuse on top of the fact kids were beating/robbing each other up over cards and bringing game boys to school (then getting them stolen by other kids because kids are dumbasses), while digimon never drew that wild energy to school yards. i'd say most boomer parents probably had no idea digimon video games were a thing, for better or worse
>>287076130I watched digimon adv dubbed first then watched subbed, I was surprised that the english dub was actually the ones that made the digimon say their attack names out loud, I wonder if that ever changed
>>287086897Momentai
>>287076130>>>/trash/81977416
>>287088348Which leads me back to my point about Yugioh. That shit came out at the perfect time to capture all the kids who were beginning to age out of Pokemon and that shit actually WAS "satanic"(occult themed) so it was catnip for kids who were starting to become "mature"(edgy)
>>287087823>Pokemon really took off because it was the first game you could take to your friends and show them your progress., and progress was not hard to do, a ten year old isn't going to beat something like Final Fantasy Legend or Dragon Quest because that game will ream them without proper party management, but Pokemon doesn't care.The funniest thing about this statement is the fact that still up to this day most devs still don't get that, not even indie devs.
>>287080538The old cast is basically ingrained in viewers' conscious, and fans have been wanting the cast to do a faithful dub for decades.
>>287089552Granted, 4Kids practically sanded off all the edge in the anime.
>>287088414I am VERY sure you remember that wrong.
>>287076130They even had rapemon.
>>287089774I like that the original concept of the shadow realm was so brutal that the author canonized it.>Wait you're saying that when people get killed in the game, instead of dying for real, they go to a realm of infinite torment cursed to spend eternity suffering? And this is supposed to be the HUMANE alternative to dying?
>>287091492One thing I like about Tri is they brought rapemon back for the movie and it's implied they raped that villain woman
>>287091492What is Kairi even doing there
>>287086902Survive was a pretty good approach to the franchise. Not for everyone, but I really like that they tried to do.
>>287083835>>287083958>>287083985I think it's good, but I can understand the sentiment for why some people weren't for it and thus the hiatus we got after the show ended in taking a long time for the next series. The humans becoming the Digimon ala Power Rangers in taking Tamers way of mega forms with biomerge missed sorta the point for why when Tamers did it people were more accepting of it since it done via progression with character development that the mega form reflected like how Takato who's a sensitive and meek boy becoming a brave and determined and courageous knight. Henry from pacifist boy to fighting machine and Rika from selfish girl to selfless guardian.
>>287092542I liked it too and hope we get something similar to it again. My favorite path was Wrath and for it's ending. The Harmony path and it's ending was fucking boring. Like the character who has their "fall" their was really so fucking stupid with his accusations and just help that I found the exclusive character death that starts the "fall" for that path to be very tame compared to Wrath's which was definitely more tragic of the two. The bloodcurdling scream was damn... you don't get that in the Harmony path just more of it happens with cutting to the next scene so very underwhelming. Doesn't help one was more of sacrifice that no wonder why Wrath's "fall" character and motivations do make sense and the other was out of plain stupidity and made someone who I liked throughout the story otherwise end up becoming a dumbass in turn. The Harmony ending is just repaint Moral ending, nothing at all really unique about it compared to the ending of Wrath's standout one to distinguish it.
>>287080827>>287083524Because Pokemon remained more simple & grounded which makes it easier to understand and follow. Digimon tries to be overly complicated over everything and its cosmology is too inconsistent . Not to mention Digimon design lacks sudden appeal and a pain to evolve them. if you put a YGO monster beside a Digimon than nobody would able to tell the difference. Digimon also still think Powerscaling is important and would sell more. But they forgot that you can make fictional character as strong as you want to be and Game-freak could turn every pokemon into planet buster easily but doesn't which mean there is something wrong with that .
>>287086902>why are you asking this>answers anywayreal fucking wonder there
>>287092959you're gonna make me rewatch it again please I need to move on its been like 25 years
>>287090586I don't remember this Gabumon scene.
>>287092959couldn't have said it better myselfthough frontier gets a pass before of kazemon
>>287095084It's from the episode with Pumpkinmon and Gotsumon. Watch it, don't read the plot.
>>287093034burgerland on the other hand would make it a mandatory airing for every thanksgiving
>>287095305Thanks
>>287096009Post nose.
>>287093524What exactly is your point?
>>287088348>>287087711>>287089552>>287089774>satanic panicWhat the hell are you even talking about? Stop using buzzwords you don't even understand, the satanic "panic" was just a media cover up of a bunch of children being trafficked at McMartin preschool in the late 80s.You are confusing this with you having a childhood with retarded evangelicals. Yugioh popularity has nothing to do with it being "occult" or because kids were "growing" out of Pokemon.Its even funny you even bring that up given that the Digimon Saban Dub literally kept the 666 reference, and no one gave a fucking shit.
>>287076130It's surprising that digimon hasn't died yet, bandai keeps unintentionally? trying to kill it with very questionable marketing decisions and complete lack of consistency.
>>287098908>very questionable marketing decisions and complete lack of consistencySuch as?
>>287087596It has nothing to do with the things you said. Bandai would never challenge Nintendo and that's all there is to it. They both do colabs, for fuck's sake.
I don't think the bunny is a selling point,dude
>>287101723Neither is the jobber angel
>>287100756What they did to the Vital Bracelet should be considered criminal.
>>287100756Lack of consistency is easy to see, from the way the anime started to completely change up the cast, the world and the rules every year, to the fact that no game played the same in the early years (ver.s=v-pet simulator, world=open world raising sim, World 2 = turn based dungeon crawler, World 3 = turn based rpg, World 4 = beat them up party game, etc.), the card game's rules being changed between japan and overseas, the v-pets and digivices all having different gimmicks that made them incompatible with each other, etc.It's notable that until habu started leading the game division and started compiling the overall digimon lore, there was nobody at bandai that actually knew what digimon had established to that point and every creator did it's own thing regardless if it contradicted something that had been done before or not.As for marketing decisions, bandai has the incredible business sense of stopping all promotion after the allocated budget has been spent, regardless if what they were promoting wasn't picked up or is actually showing signs of growth, and if it's the latter case they would rather copy paste what worked to promote some of their other franchises they profit from, like one piece or dbz.
Saved pic for the next anon that complains that beatbreak is for kids.
>>287103470It's weird that the fanservice was always for kids, but now that there's an adult audience we have all this bitter social commentary and subtle relationship stuff in the visual direction, alongside the same old kiddie fights and fanservice. I wonder if all this new Rider stuff will go that way or keep it comedic.
>>287091492I wonder if there are any doujinshi that show that scene but with Rapemon winning
>>287076130Palworld Cinderace but good
>>287087678Up to this day, people are still playing Monster Rancher 2
>>287076130Digimon is cursed to have been created in a world where Pokemon exists.
>>287104869Oakleyman will never run out of victims and this pleases me greatly.
>>287098368I mean you can try to gaslight people that grew up in the late 80's and early 90's but we were there.
>>287105696>gaslight
Reina on swimsuit.
>>287083835digimon with just humans that then shifts so much focus on just two of them so hard its crazy
>>287076130Digimon needs more fuckable designs if they want staying power.
>>287107166>>287083835Another thing that bothers me is how Takuya went through a "oh shit, this is not a game" moment with almost killing Tommy/Tomoki with BurningGreymon only for him to get dogged on for apparently not going through that moment with Duskmon
>>287107202What are the fuckable designs so far?
>>287076130Why can Liko wear revealing swimsuit like this while Reina cannot and wears toddlerish rashguard shirt? Why does Pokemon have better swimsuit ep? Even Ellee in precure has revealing swimsuit than Reina spite Ellee is toddler from skyland.
>>287106821Why cannot she wear even one pieced swimsuit at all and wears toddlerish rashguard instead while Liko wears sexy swimsuit in pokemon, and Ellee in Hiropri wears more revealing swimsuit than this toddler?
>>287103470But why is Reina's swimsuit toddlerish rashguard while Liko's swimsuit is sexo?(even worse, it is on Ishiba's term when bikinis were banned from anime) Even Ellee wears revealing swimsuit than this spite Elle is actual toddler.
>>287108616Maybe reina only shows off skin for money.
>>287108538Maybe she just likes wearing swimsuits?
>>287112973She just like being tickled and is always tempting people to do so.
>>287113007>ticklefag
>>287111703How can you be so sure of that?
>>287076130Time Stranger made it pretty popular again. But I think the digivolution mechanics will always filter it from common popularity. Too convoluted for kids and people that want the comforting permanency of evolution, too simple for adults who want deep complexity. That said, if they stop being dumbasses and let Konaka make his Tamers sequel, it would gain plenty of fame and an even bigger cult following. Focus marketing on the fact he’s the Lain guy, and actually intend it for older teens/young adults with more explicitly dark and sexual themes. Make Ruki masturbate to the thought of reuniting with Renamon and becoming Sakuyamon again.
>>287092495The Dark Ocean found the feelings for her brother kinda sus.>Verification is not required.
>>287114716>too simple for adults who want deep complexityFirst time I've ever seen this complaint. I can only imagine it comes from a fan of Shin Megami Tensei or a game with similar mechanics.>stop being dumbasses and let Konaka make his Tamers sequelNot gonna happen. How much of the original team could they get for it now? It would just come out wrong.>it would gain plenty of fame and an even bigger cult following>marketing on the fact he’s the Lain guy, and actually intend it for older teens/young adults with more explicitly dark and sexual themesYeah... you have no idea of what you're talking about.
>>287115547You don’t need the original team, you just need a good team. And a director with the right vision. Retain the core dna, but evolve. When it comes to boarders I wouldn’t even want a lot of the original team, a lot of the episodes looked nauseously bad. If you get people who liked and understood the show and use the better instances of it’s style, atmosphere, and writing as inspiration, you can make something even better than an original work, if the original had it’s flaws. >First time I've ever seen this complaint. I can only imagine it comes from a fan of Shin Megami Tensei or a game with similar mechanics.Not a complaint, just a theory. I’m a casual that doesn’t play many games. But with all the time I’m spending in Time Stranger in hard mode, I can tell it’s an easy game compared to stuff I see people play, with a depth for min/maxing, completion, and strategy that takes grinding but isn’t hard to understand or execute.In other words, it’s accessible to kids, but probably not kids that are turned off by numbers or grinding, or having to turn their monsters back and forth into monsters they don’t want in order to eventually get the monsters they do want. But it also doesn’t offer high enough skill scaling or creative options for an adult to revolve their lives around getting gud at or experimenting in. >Yeah... you have no idea of what you're talking about.I was partly memeing, but not really. People like exploring the depths of human souls, and sex. Anime is a common vessel for such themes. People like sex and darkness if it isn’t meaningless, and it would certainly achieve interest.
>>287117386(Cont) And if you mean “every aspect of the franchise has to stay locked onto the original intended age group, no exceptions”, then that’s the kind of thing that I’m saying is holding it back. Obviously Pokemon is a disney-level kids property that has to stay strict in it’s softness across the board, but Digimon with all it’s tits and implications has always been in more of an awkward stage in the journey of growing up, that always seems to keep trying new angles with it’s anime. And since it’s a lesser known brand with a less concrete identity, it has more freedom. An edgy pokemon series today would enflame scandal and endanger it’s commercially global hold, while an edgy digimon series would be a flame of renewed interest where there wasn’t much burning steadily before. Why not try catering to an audience you once had hooked but has now grown up, instead of continuing to try to catch a new one in a field where they’re severely outclassed by franchises better at doing kid stuff? Or do you think it would be out of nowhere for Digimon, or Tamers - the series whose reputation hinges on being darker and having more psychological depth than others of it’s level, and being a deconstruction of the genre - a series that continued the theme about maturing and the vulnerability of one-on-one relationships, but capped it off with the protags getting buck naked and literally going inside their partners. It shook our nine year old hearts brains and groins then, so why not try shocking again? Why not make that last bridge between the innocence of kids and their pets to adults with trauma, arrested development, strange coping mechanisms, and codependency issues? All embedded within the currently abundant, fun, and flavorful modern subject matter of digital dependence and escapism, digital power, and the challenge of trying to use those powers for good?
>>287101723Rule34dle taught me Nidoking is more popular than her
Digimon having branching evolution is what sets it apart from Pokémon and makes it better. Pokémon fans love monotony.
>>287118602Branching evolution? That's in the anime?
>>287083620PS1*
>>287118811Agumon in 01 went skullgreymon. All of 02 is just branch evolution with the main cast.
>>287118905I wonder where you can get a PS1 in 2026.
>>287076130It doesn't have good games but otherwise it's fairly popular, you're just comparing it against Pokémon which is the absolute highest grossing and most popular franchise by a very wide margin
>>287076130>Bunny That's a dog
>>287118602Pokémon got some depending on the stones you use
>>287103470That's a great thing about Digimon.It's cute, sexy, funny, cool and horifying all together, a complete entertainment diet.
>>287118602What actually sets it apart is evolutions being temporary so you can jerk off to the same henshin scenes every episode
>>287076130Digimon's issue was it was more complex than Pokemon, and it's mascot (Agumon) was signgificantly uglier and less marketable than Pikachu. Doesn't help the games were shit and Frontier tried something too wild. Matrix Digivolution worked because it tied up each of the trio's arcs/personalities and let the kids help their partners without overshadowing the whole duo aspect of a Digimon and their Tamer. Frontier going straight to fusions is like if a new Pokemon season started out with Ash already having his team fully evolved. No sense of progression killed Frontier being popular. Also too much focus on the main duo.
