>technobabble filters all the normalfagsbased
>>290233704
>>290234170>seething normalfagkek
>>290233704I keep watching and I love the show but yeah I don't understand half of it. They often talk about this politician in that place and I'm like "has it ever been mentioned in a previous episode that I missed?". Still, I don't really care about the details, what interests me is the ideas and the themes. Love Motoko's personality in this one. It's different from the popular movie but I think it's better to see the goofier parts of her. It's a breath of fresh air.
>>290233704No one watched the new episode?
she knows
>>290235386I did, I'm still processing how good it was.
I'm glad that people are realizing that GitS was much more Robocop than Blade Runner initially. It's meant to be as goofy and fun as it is harrowing.
This was a very, very good production.
Motoko Kusanagi saw the face of God for the first time
It's quite an experience
>>290236601So God is a woman?
>>290234504Sex with Motoko
>>290236637God is beyond the cosmos and our petty material definitions. He comes to us in the form that comforts us.
>>290236637No, you've already seen God in episode 5God is some kind of mushroom thingie with tendrils, that's why Shirow kept including subliminal references to vegetation and mushrooms.That's just the Puppetmaster's ghost or something, it's just one spirit
>>290236781>God is some kind of mushroom thingie with tendrils, that's why Shirow kept including subliminal references to vegetation and mushrooms.Cthulhu beliver.
we are here >>290205203
>>290237020Unironically a solid possibility. Shirow mentions the Cthulhu mythos in the appendix of Orion (canon within the GitS universe) like it's a historical source.More seriously though, The Call of Cthulhu is a subversion of theosophist beliefs so it makes total sense that a story like GitS which introduces new agey religious beliefs would be reminiscent of the Mythos
>>290237071nah real fans are here
Anyone else thinks this has an AI uncanny quality to it? That would be fitting for this series, but I can't help but get the gut feeling AI was used here.
SHE'S FUCKING DEAD
>>290234504Right.I love everything that Science Saru churns out, and this is no exception. But 10 minutes into the first ep and I already almost ragequit. Reminded me why I never got into the movies and the earlier anime. Rewatching helped, a bit. But every new episode comes with its own oversized infodump and I feel that we'd be better off with no explanation at all than with this incomprehensible mix of technobabble, needlessly complicated political intrigue and quasi-deep philosophy.Have some Motoko slop.
>>290237444I think AI just broke your brain. I felt that the distortion from the rain made the apartment at the first half look AI but it was just distortion. I didn't see anything particularly AI anywhere else, other than the fact that there were beautiful scenery.
>>290237444never watch Innocence dude, you won't be able to handle the uncanny valley>>290237556the preferred way to experience GitS (the good entries that is) is to do a first pass with your brain turned off just enjoying it on a raw aesthetic level, then rewatching it to pick up on the plot, then rewatching it to pick up on the concepts and messages and themes.
>>290237631>>290237571He's an avatartard who keeps posting one of his 2000 slightly altered copies of squirrel butt for like a decade now don't expect him to ever say anything non-retarded.
>>290233704Show's shit and flopping though.SACchads keep on winning.
>>290236579Nipples where?
>>290237556It doesn't help that most subs don't even bother translating the descriptions that show up when they're introducing new tech to us in each of the episodes
>>290237704Thx for the /a/ lore
>>290237755that's her ghostghosts don't have nipplesEven in the manga they don't have nipples, so you can't say it's censorship this time around
>>290237772get the Commiesubs
>>290237444I'm a time traveler from the future and I can confirm that there will be a huge scandal in 2029 where multiple studios will be outed as using AI, Saru among them, having started two years before this.
>>290237962I'm a time traveler from further in the future and I can confirm that, after extensive research, this series in particular was found by AI experts to not be part of the scandal.
>>290238239>future shill here
>>290233704I had no problem with the same technobabble in SAC because it has a good dub.The subbed technobabble in the new GITS goes by so fast I have to pause to read it all.
sex with Major
>>290234170KEK. Saved.>>290234256Post the uncensored lesbian scene. Oh wait!
but
>>290238945ilya learnt his lesson
>>290234504It's basically the manga dialogue word for word and the manga was gibberish too, don't take it too seriously
>>290238528Yeah it's badly paced. I can read it but you have to be fast and not look at the animation which can be annoying. My Japanese isn't good enough to tell whether they could have translated it less wordy though.
>>290238945Better than the end card from this episode
major?
>>290239175but i love armaroid
>>290239861no, minor.
REALIZATIONMAXXING.
Uhm, I thought God was dead?
>>290233704What a visually breath taking episode. Great ost as well. Now let me rewatch it 5 times and read explanations to understand what happened
>>290240473> He fell for Nietzsche's bullshit
>>290236637>>290236601God is the light, the woman was just seen as an Angel, it's a Christian message. Remember that your ghost is basically your soul and Christians believe your soul will "return to God". That's what you just saw
>>290240010no, tranny
Glad they made puppet master's front as a woman. Imagine the yuri sex and assimilation with Motoko.
>>290238877>replying to himselfseething normalfag kek
>>290240833I am glad that they didn't erase the weird expressions and exaggerated faces
>>290240985you don't have to imagineAlso the puppetmaster is a girl in the 2.0 rerelase of the film too (jap dub of course)
>>290241052the mix of seriousness, horny stuff and over the top expressions is what makes GitS great for me
>>290240985>the puppetmaster's frontThe idea that the Puppetmaster is using a female body as a mask to disguise its true self was introduced by Oshii.The original Puppetmaster looks like a girl, because it's a girl. Simple as.I mean if you're programming a super advanced AI whose entire purpose is to gaslight, seduce and manipulate people, wouldn't you make it a girl?
>>290241254why can't it be gay AI?
>>290234504if you watch it multiple times, read the manga notes, and think about it really really hard, i's possible to make sense of basically every line of dialogue in it.
>>290233704Throwing random wiki articles to the viewers while the show is just explosions and funny faces is not deep, is the most shallow kind of writing you can come up with, itt might as well be an AI generated show.
>>290241254>wouldn't you make it a girl?No, I'll make it a dude.
This episode was a trip, I'm a sucker for existential and metaphysical themes
>>290241298so, you're having trouble following I see
>>290241280>>290241299That's not very chuddy of you.
Once again the script of this shitty adaption made the shchizobabble less intelligible than the manga.
>>290241828just learn japanesethe japanese words are the same, not our fault amazon's subs suck
>>290237556Why? Everyone that founded the studio is gone and mostly empty office buildings that exist for tax purposes as you hire freelancers don't make anime, people do. For better or for worse this was Yuasa and his gook sidekicks studio and now it isn't. You can like one or the other, both, or neither but they clearly aren't the same.
>>290241930not him but the middleman company carries on yuasa's "fuck japan" aesthetic and thats valuable on its own.
>>290241298>filteredkek
Aren't you supposed to wait until the last two episodes to get all metaphysical and stuff?
>>290242090next episode won't be, so all in all it's still two episodes
The great thing about not being a cyborg is that you can bully Project 2501 and she can't do anything to defend herself.
That was awesome.Quality maybe tied with last week's episode, that was effectively movie quality visuals for the whole montage.Also Motoko saying 'shit' in english was funny.So is Section 9 actually qualified to take in 2501's request for Asylum? I assume Aramaki is manoeuvring around Section 6 out of the suspicion whatever they want 2501 for is nothing good, but being able to use the pretext of 'We as public servants are just processing a claim for asylum :^)' would be a good cover to do this as well.
>>290242376>Also Motoko saying 'shit' in english was funny.Anyone who watches english dub, did she say that in japanese in there for comparison?
>>290242376well section 9 are the only guys with enough independence and firepower to stand up to section 6 in case things go south, so they're a pretty good bet if you're an AI on the run.>I assume Aramaki is manoeuvring around Section 6 out of the suspicion whatever they want 2501 for is nothing goodHe knows for a fact it's nothing good.Remember it's because of 2501 that the peace talks with the new government of the Gavel republic went to shit. The new government, for which Aramaki was providing strategic aid.So basically section 6 ALREADY used 2501 to interfere with Aramaki. More generally, she was built by an American company, it appears that section 6 is merely leasing her as part of an agreement with Burgerland, and Aramaki is more partial towards the Russians than towards the Americans.So on a geopolitical level, he can't allow section 6 to remain in control of 2501.And you know, there's also the fact that she's a walking (when she has legs) talking MK Ultra machine who fucks up people's brains on the reg and used some of your own men as pawns in a stupid cat-and-mouse game that could have got them killed. All because the Ministry of Foreign Affairs wanted to have their cake and eat it too.
>filters normalfagsThat's a pretty self-defeat-admitting statement considering that this anime only exists to sell the series to normalfags. They censored all the violence and sex and they genzified the subtitles and they removed all the good things the anime movie and series did, in favor of staying true to the inferior product (the manga).
Is there any 'double subtitle track' BS this episode or can I just download Erai-raws? That was really annoying last episode
>>290241298You don't get it bro this is peak writing bro your just a filtered normalfag bro you'r to stupid to understand this masterpeace.
>>290233704Kek it isn't even translated. Gotta wait for commie
>>290242647>They censored all the violence and sexFor tv. Clearly uncensored on BD.>they genzified the subtitlesLearn Japanese, nigger.> in favor of staying true to the inferior product (the manga)Oh it's just a retarded Oshiifaggot seething, nvm
>>290242438Just checked and she just said shit in the English version too
This is your waifu?
>>290237556>Have some Motoko slop.Have some fuck off.
>>290242908>For tv. Clearly uncensored on BD.pfffftdelusionalshill
>>290233704This episode was pretty bad
>>290242990Bitch is sitting like a full on dyke, have some class Motoko...
>>290243121Both of these look like series for toddlers.
>>290243194she ALWAYS womanspreadsALWAYS shows her crotch and wears high-cut outfits whenever she can. It's her thing.
>>290241922but why didnt they jsut use manga's translations then?the entire thing just seems like a pointless gimmick to stand-out >haha look how hard our dialogue to comprehend is, doesnt matter that none of our staff understands the finished product - i'm sure there are some super-intelligent people out there for whom our anime is comprehensible on first watch>like who even cares about the plot it's all about reading exercise on very hard difficulty that's why you watch anime, right? we're so damn creative and quirky for making it so hard to understand unlike any other anime out there.. if you look at 2nd hardest anime to understand - we've made it so that our work is significantly more incomprehensible what an artistic masterpiece this is; storytelling who cares about that shit? - all that matters is that we are EXCEPTIONAL in terms of that one narrative technicality, just think about all the pseudointellectual points you will get from filtered normgroids (bad) if you add it to your curated elitist mal
>>290243194she's trying, cut her some slack.It's tough being a tomboy sometimes
right it wouldnt helpbecause the issue if with pacingand lack of incorporating manga notes in form that's suitable to anime format
>>290243223You can't shit talk OG TT bro, you just can't.
>>290242990She manages to be worst girl in a squad with no other girls.
>>290233704I’m more of a quote scholar myself
>>290243421She looks like she dates anons
this anime is ironically a slap to the face to intelligent viewersdumb kids will just be happy to witness explosions and motoko's ass while those who try to think and comprehend the motives, actions, messages etc.. are fucked by unnecessary obfuscation that if not malicious at best scenario is a result of making a lazy braindead 1-to-1 adaptation that completely ignores change of mediums (except lesbian fanservice i guess - then 100% faithful adapations can go fuck themselves)
>>290243609skill issue!>>290243552That's Oshii being cheeky is all. You see they're projecting their own intended meaning onto the quotes, like you project your likeness onto a mirror. The whole point is that they're being over-indulgent about it and can't express themselves without a third party instance to convey (poorly) what they really mean.
I'll just say it, Oshii's version of this episode was way better.I still like this anime tho.
>>290243752Explain why in detail.Not saying you're wrong, I just wanna see if you're talking out of your ass or have something to bring to the table
>>290243587Correct, she's currently dating me. I am feeding her as we speak, and wiping her face because she's a messy eater.feels great
>>290243752I'm not him but I liked just seeing more of the operation when the puppet is taken awayit's a really nice scene in the movie with the wait discrepancy in the elevator and togusa planting a tracker
>>290243352okay then send a fucking mailbomb to amazon thenyou're not thinking straight if you seriously think amazon is being cute with these subs and that it isn't just that their AI or pajeet translations suck assand really, the manga translations have issues too, like turning 三佐 into lieutenant
>>290243964>waitweight*
>>290243770My bet is he won't reply
>>290244137Five Nights at Kusanagi's.
>>290234170Why is the shit alive
>>290244303It has a Ghost.
Ghost in the shell?More likeWatching this is hellHaha
>>290243996Fuck you nigger>>290243770From the start the stakes were pretty much nonexistent, Section 6 is supposed to be on par with Section 9 but they get dealt with almost effortlessly, making Motoko's virtual "apotheosis" feel unearned as she is just getting it handed to her without incurring a sacrifice from her part.Also the scene where everybody is talking in technical terms while diving into the Puppet Master's body goes on for too long, Shirow's writing often trips with itself by going in circles and retreading similar technical terms, in contrast Oshii streamlines this scene for the better although you can make a case that the Shirow version is superior I find it has a lot of fluff and lacks substance.Still liked the episode tho.
Noooo come back hot ass Kusanagi in a tanktop.
>>290244439oh good, some actual thought.>From the start the stakes were pretty much nonexistent, Section 6 is supposed to be on par with Section 9 but they get dealt with almost effortlessly, making Motoko's virtual "apotheosis" feel unearned as she is just getting it handed to her without incurring a sacrifice from her part.Yeah well, here's the thing.Motoko hasn't reached "apotheosis" in the show yet. That will happen later. What you just saw was the Puppetmaster reaching apotheosis thanks to Motoko, which didn't happen in the movie at all and completely reframes their subsequent exchange.Another thing for you to keep in mind is that in the movie, Motoko doesn't provably reach "apotheosis" and it doesn't happen with her consent, so you can't really call it a reward either.I mean I guess she's "earned it" in a sense, but probably not in a good one.>in contrast Oshii streamlines this sceneI don't think that's what Oshii intended to do. I think he wanted it to feel incomplete.
I'm glad they adapted Shirow's manga so it can expose its mediocrity in all its technobabbling gloryMamoru Oshii made GITS a hit and thanks to him we got SACI hope weebs will learn from this: FAITHFULLY ADAPTING THE ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE FOR A GOOD ADAPTATION!!! All of the best art took from the original source material and TRANSFORMED IT INTO A DIFFERENT PRODUCT!!!
>>290242376>>290242644samefag botpost
>>290242908>For tv. Clearly uncensored on BD.source for that claim?
>>290244656ruh roh
>>290234170But the show is great and you are unironically retarded if you hate it.
>They're just flat out ripping off the 1995 movie nowDoes SARU really?
>>290244698Like, Scoob, you can't just prove him wrong.
>>290242990its clear he was a man before his cyberizationtranime
>>290244652>Mamoru Oshii made GITS a hit and thanks to him we got SAC/threadRare /a/poster in a Sarugits thread.
>>290244652Shut up, retard.
>>290242990Yes. Cute as fuck.
>>290237020>>290236781True believers will be saved
I prefer the plot and narrative from the first movie and SAC but vastly prefer the characters, their designs and the animation and colors in this one. Some sort of mix would be 10/10.
>>290240732And I thought sac was heavy handed with the imagery
>>290244516>her hair is blue againIs she gay again?
>>290244730Motoko was born a woman and in literally every single GitS story her appearance is based on how she would look like as a normal human, wtf are you talking about you retard
>>290244872Yes, for me.
where's the keyboard robo hands gif
>>290235386waiting for commie because they subtitle the on screen text.
>>290244875he's being a rusemaster baitman>>290244817>Some sort of mix would be 10/10.SAC 2045 is what you're describing and it's a disaster.By the way I'd like to know why you prefer the narrative of the first movie, just wanna check something like with the previous guy I asked
>>290244937The extendo hands are one of my favorite gits visuals. They're really cool
I'm Masaki Yuasa, funder of Science Saru. Hello redit!
Amazing episode.
>>290244875I thought her body was made to look like a mass production model with military spec hardware under the hood
>>290245154yeah but that doesn't mean there's a hundred girls with the exact same appearance running around. She's the only girl who looks like that so there must be some degree of customizability when it comes to appearance, unlike in the movie
>>290245034Finally, with these new hands I can use EMACS again.
>>290243552Roundabout way to call each other ugly.
>>290233704Would have been a perfect episode if the producers weren't afraid of nipples
>>290233704PLSSOME ANONMAKE A WHITE MONSTER EDIT
>>290243552which subs are those?I unironically need them for research
>>290245279ghosts canonically don't have nipples.so even if they hadn't censored anything, you'd still be seeing some barbie boobs (which is nice)
>>290237795So the manga got censored
>>290245361it did, but 2501 has nipples in the very same chapter where we see that Motoko's ghost doesn't.so it's genuine canonical lore, not censorship
>>290245320>barbie boobs (which is nice)You don't even think that, you're just baiting.
>>290245397He's right thoughNipples shouldn't exist irl
>>290241254I would make it Stalin
>>290245416How should babies get milk?
>>290245647they shouldn't, they're ugly little grubs who piss and shit and cry, they don't deserve sustenance, let alone from boobs
>>290233704I probably need to rewatch but I thought it was really confusing that Major and puppetmaster got the same voice during that explanation and futuristic meta network thing. Last time I was this confused was that weird sex chapter in the golden Boy Manga when they switched pronouns
>>290245759iunno they didn't sound the same to me
>>290243352It's really not that hard to comprehend.There are just a lot of unfamiliar terms. Like political titles you've never heard of. Or new technology terms.The characters rattle them off matter of factly because they're familiar with the world they live in, but it can take a moment for the viewer to keep up if they're reading subtitles.
>>290240833Who will voice this Motoko? Definitely won't be Maaya.
>>290245706Filtered
>>290241254So you have to blame Oshii for the ScaJo movie casting of the guy who plays Jimmy Darmody as Puppet Master then.
>>290245959How young are you?
>>290246030there's only one man for the job and he's unfortunately Dead or Alive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
>>290244558>Blessed by Cyber Belldandy
This episode was majestic, fucking love GitS, but holy shit do we need proper subtitles, hope some fansub group get this. Really considering starting to learn japanese just to watch anime without subs
>>290244643are you the same dud that was analyzing the corinthians verse a week or two ago
>>290233704>le funni faces>science saruHai hai, they filtered me for good brrr...
>>290246064maybe 10% of the blame I guess.
>>290236637the puppet master already said all you need to know in this episode, rewatch and reread again
>>290246119Yes with the participation of another. I have more evidence than just that if that's your concern.
>>290246030Somebody with a comically deep voice to make it all the more obvious it's a dude.
>>290246118>have to rely off amazon subs
>>290235411Confirmed for Rei Ayanami's mommy
>>290246192At least>CommieSubs exist and actually translates the footnotes.
Best Anime 2026?
>>290244652I agree somewhat, but I still like that they adapted the original, even if you like Oshii take more, you can enjoy the source material and find it interesting philologically
>>290246288I wish. It is still >>290246122
>>290245034supercool, but and USB port or an api would be better
>>290234170>heh>I replied so the bait worked!>heh
What a beautiful family
>>290245397I'm going to delete the world and rebuild it with no nipples, and the only person remembering that existed, will be you
>>290245706Rude.
>>290246376see, even Bleeding Heart Togusa agrees, he bonked the little shit on the head
if everyone keeps mistaking Motoko for a robot probably means that she looks fake as fuck in-universe, like an uncanny realistic doll
>>290246302I meant in the eyes of sane people
>>290246417Sounds hot
Accidentally posted this in the bump-limit thread first, reposting.>Red dot flickering in the dark as an electrical-based intelligence talks to a cyborg about making contactI don't know if Armored Core 6 was making some sort of reference to this but they're using extremely similar shots for scenes that at least share a couple elements.
How do we call this type of people?
>>290246417This is very likely, since we don't come across other girls with her face and hairstyle. Even the Marina model, which is supposed to be similar enough for this guy to confuse them, doesn't have the same face.Therefore it must be down to obvious external signs of manufacturing quality. Which means she looks like a sexy FMV render
>>290246445AC6 shot for comparison
>>290246417Guy should have honestly copped a feel to see if those were real or not.
>>290246447GORILLAWOMENOWEMESEXmore muscletoko please, in highleg bikinis
>>290246418You mean normalfags? Sure!
the blu-ray will have nipples... r-right?
>>290246625how can yani neko compete against these?they're TRASHIER, SEXIER and FUNNIER than anybody in your showthey LITERALLY SLEEP IN DUMPSTERS AND WEAR TRASHBAG LEOTARDS on some artworks.
>>290246685not for that sequence.we went over this: ghosts don't have nipples
>Me and my girl
Motoko is a gremlin
>>290246405The ape works him too hard. He doesn't have the time to go home and beat his wife and kid.
>>290246762Please explain what this entails.With evidence.
>>290246762grrr
only sluts expose their ports like this
>>290246756I know that Aramaki sees her as her daughter and he seems above this shit but I still like to think that she lets him be her night ride once in a while
>>290246830You mean she's into ddlg ? And I thought I couldn't love her more than I do.
>>290246816Ouchmajor BITESquit BITIN' ME, majormajor BIT MEmajor bit me where the good god split me!
>>290246824Seeing that part of her back was weirdly sensual
>>290246864She didn't totally reject the old man/young girl relationship that Aramaki sees for them, anon so...
>>290246926Yeah she went for "granddaughter" even. She's definitely way into it.
>>290246756YABBA DABBA DOOThe old geezer banging her is kino
>>290246320A USB port can send data back. A keyboard cannot.
>>290243649I've been watching stand alone complex during all this and I just finished 2nd gig. My eyes legit welled up when the tachikomas sacrificed themselves.I love them so much
>>290246417Probably the eye color? Motoko and puppetmaster both got red eyes. Probably they are the cheapest because production doesn't need to use Melanin in the process
>>290246445Anon, I am sorry to inform you that the dot isn't red.
>>290247241I don't think she had red eyes in the manga but that's a good explanation for the show
>>290233704Techno babble?
>>290246320Like people imagining an AI to be a Robot in front of a computer
>>290247280That would be Motoko, as discussed earlier.>>290247163amazon subs strike again
>>290246728i liked these two better when I thought they were bioengineered instead of robots.You mean to tell me that there isn't any gene splicing going on in the GITS universe?
>>290247329Motoko speaks, she is not a toddler that babbles.
>>290247304
>>290246417The major's super soft artificial skin...
>>290247405Cute
>>290247367There is but it's still pretty sloppyThe original concept in shirow's notes for the puma twins was that one of them would be bioengineered, the other a robot, but he made them both robots in the end, which is much hotter.It also makes 2501's bragging about sentience sound very silly, which is good, you love to see a villainess taken down a peg.
>>290246445Anon, you may be color blind.
>>290247456amputees often are
So motoko is kind of a freak no matter the adaptation? Here was me thinking SAC was the tamest version of her
>>290247163Yes. What's the issue?
>>290247577Anon, that's pretty much all SACtoko is remembered for these days
>>290247577wrong picture
>>290247602The issue is you don't wanna get brainhacked if you're a scientist working for a spy agency
Is she back to her blue hair?
>>290247577She is a goddamn brain inside a bimbo body, of course she is a freak. Her glowie job does not help.
>>290247577I think this episode she is rather prudish
>>290246824There's not nearly enough neckport eroticism honestly
>>290247644>>290247577ok I seem to remember she's also pretty freaky in AriseAnd in the movie she seems to really want to have sex with herself.What about in 2017?
I've been behind and haven't kept up the threads, but nice to see its a still a mix of cozy and spam baitHave a toko
>>290247636As long as you parse input correctly and rate limit it just for safety you are good.Unless of course your system that interacts with the USB is full of security holes, buffer overflows. Even trying to fry your circuits can be countered.
>>290247712thank youYeah we're managing the keep the spam manageable these days. Also had a lot of nice analytical effortposts over the past two weeks, you love to see it.
>>290234504cute glowie
>>290247745>managing to keep manageable>>290247740I dunno man, sounds like a risk not worth taking
>>290247636>>290247740I wonder what's the best way for two systems to interact in one direction without a direct connection. I'm guessing something like sounds like the tones in old telephone networks. If you don't want to get brainhacked you just don't add a microphone, just a sound emitter.Actually, light might be even better.
>>290247712motoko looks like a tard when she buss
>>290247814This is known:
>>290233704>>290234504the technobabble isnt a problem, it's the pacing and exposition that is bad. it feels rushed and I feel no connection to any of the charactersi like the art style a lot, the animation is mostly bad but good here and there
>>290247794Yep, that technology exists in GitS and in appleseed too.The big nose guy in the opening of episode 3 uses it on civilians
>>290247869>I feel no connection to any of the charactersI treasure Batou and Fuchikoma
>>290247869works fine on my machine.
>>290247683What about in 2017, how is that movie? I think when I first heard about it, before I was even into gits, I had a feeling it wasn't going to be good. But I haven't seen it so idk
>>290247922We discussed it in a previous threadThe premise is stupid, and it's a blatant reskin of Equilibrium/Underworld/Aeon Flux (the movie)
>>290247683>>290247922The only thing I remember off and perverse in 2017 is that she rents a hooker and takes her back to her apartment because she wants to touch her faceThe hooker kind of freaks out because apparently she doesn't feel anything like skin, which lends creedence to some theories ITTBut in general the movie was dogshit except for Batou and Aramaki
>>290247960A very strong Robocop influence in that the live action version of the Major is a murder victim that intentionally had her memories stolen by the people that rebuilt her. She has a whole awkward scene where she tries to reunite with her mom and chickens out. They even address the whitewashing shit in-universe - she was definitely a young Japanese girl, but her brain got scooped out and put in a ScarJo shaped robot.Oddly enough Section 9 was not in on the experiment at all, I guess she just got dumped with them and they're as loyal to her as any other depiction.
just finished watching SAC season 1, I think it had a pretty good balance of section 9 doing their military intelligence action and also delving into some deeper topics. but it never got TOO deep where it started to go up its own ass.As much as I'm liking the style of the new show and seeing the characters have some fun. so far I prefer the balance of SAC overall. that version of Motoko is pretty far from gremlintoko, but she's not completely without lighter moments, even if it's just the occasional snarky comment. It was mostly Batou occasionally saying/doing something funny. which I'm glad he kept even in the more serious show.
>>290248000fuck, man those outfits are rough it's like something out of a later TNG movie>>290248049If you liked that approach never watch 2045 cause that's where the "balance"" turns into a "worst of both worlds" situation
>>290248091how so?
What does Section 9 even do with the few people they actually arrest?Put their brain on a shelf to contemplate how naughty it's been for 25 years?
>>290248091>never watch 2045wasn't planning on it, don't worry. I've only ever seen NAKED MAN FLIPPING and that was enough
>>290233704I think that the technobabble and exposition dumps in the first manga and 1.5 aren't that bad, albeit you do need to read some of the page notes.In Man/Machine Interface, it starts to reach schizobabble territory and it would be kind of funny if it was eventually adapted to anime.
>>290248126There's that, there's apparently some brainwashing programs for murderers too.
>>290247252Ack, my colorblindness strikes again.Is it more of an orange or green?
I didn't understand shit in this episode and I'm not going to watch again.Can someone explain this episode?
>>290248476Mokoto found Jesus.
>>290248486Puppet Master is Jesus?
>>290248476>>290240646Enlightment
>>290248506Yes, cyber Jesus and God.
>>2902484762501 escapes the Americans and Section 6, seeks refuge with S9 since she knows they're pretty goodturns out 2501 is sentientNakamura (S6 boss) shows up, pretends to be surprised at the whole thing. His own goons steal 2501 cause she was about to spill the beans about Foreign Affairs being behind episodes 2 and 3S9 get back 2501 but S6 goons try to blow her upMotoko connects to 2501 and gets some evidence, but 2501 is running out of power. Motoko concentrates so hard she inadvertently connects to the Net (think of it as the spirit world for now) and channels 2501's dying spirit through her own.she has a bunch of vaguely prophetic visions2501 is now a ghost>>290248506No she's a ghost, but she appears as an Angel cause she's American or something.>>290248563For 2501 yes, for Motoko not quite yet, that's for later.
>>290236601God looks super cute here
>>290248476Kay turns out to be a robot all along>>290248587we already went over this Anon, she's not THAT special
>>290248602I see, it makes more sense now due to your explanation. Thanks anon
>>290246728Ez
>>290248602>Nakamura (S6 boss) shows upWait the guy Aramaki tried to kill last week?
>>290248631>>290248587no this thing is God (kinda)>>290248695thanks I could help bro
>>290248725no the guy from last week was the chief of S1S6 works for Foreign Affairs which is to say they're basically the Japanese CIA.And Project 2501 aka The Puppetmaster is basically MK Ultra-tan.
Great episode.
who the fuck is this new Section 9 dude?
>>290248643K!
>>290233704Question, do I need to watch anything to understand this new show or can I just hop in no problem?
>>290249117If you watch every prior movie and series and read the entire manga the new show still won't make sense
>>290249104Ishikawa got a tan
>>290248602I didn't catch it, what made-up name were they using to avoid saying "America" in this ep? I know that they're used a euphemisms for every country except Japan so far, but I figured actually calling America "America" would be fair game - I guess not.
What's the explanation for nipples disappearing in the future?
>>290249092Everyone complaining about the lack of ghost nipples can enjoy the robocop-a-feel nip instead
>>290249211They're still there, but advanced tech has rendered them invisible to virgins
>>290249130Good to know, thanks
>>290249117Is an action series first with throwaway lines that are supposed to be deep and shit, if you really want to give it dedication just pause the show every minute and then google.
>>290249104New guy that never gets a name afaik
Have you met SACtoko IRL?
>>290249454>the last thing a shota sees
first episode I actually enjoyed. it was good.
>>290236601Lain and Futurama did it better, what a trite concept.
Is this series a good starting point for GitS? It's just an adaptation of the original manga, right?
>>290249632Aham
>>290249632Yeah, it's an original manga adaptation. It's kind of a moot point asking where to "start" since nearly every adaptation its own thing, but basically every other adaptation draw from the 1995 adaptation's tone. Best to treat them all as their own thing.
>>290249632Yes, its the adaptation of the original manga. But you will realize its a mid story and the real force of Gits is the movie of Oshii. The heroine has different personnalities in her different iterations.
>Puppet master lost his material body>Puppetmaster achieve a new stage of self awareness as ghost>Motoko saw within the eyes of the puppetmaster the seashell breaking and now of the ghost inside of the shell is break free See. Its not that hard
>>290249537Those shotas are extremely lucky
>>290249632The 1995 movie is both more accessible and of higher quality, it is probably the best place to start. If you're really interested in Shirow's vision there's still no replacement for the manga which is fairly dense and has a ton of necessary annotations that are not sufficiently carried over to this version.
>>290247869animation is great. I don't really know what are your standards
>>290247814Tongue out nut face is hot
>>290249781>higher qualityIt's got a few cool setpieces but the sections between them are barren, visually.
>>290249865I believe it's called ahegao, anon.
Does Motoko believe in God now?
>>290249953>ahegaois that like asiago
Isn't this where the 1995 movie ended?
>>290246122Based.
See Kusanagi's flaunting her ports again... the slut.
>>290237556>I love everything that Science Saru churns out
>>290239175Lol i been forgetting to watch til after the credits for the endcardsI am retarded
>>290249632>Is this series a good starting point for GitS?Depends. If you like KnY/JJK/Frieren, it's a great starting point and you will love it and you will love the manga. If not, >>290249722
>>290233704This is my first Ghost in the Shell. No, I don't want to watch the others. I liked this episode. Is the Puppet Master a good guy? It feels like he just wants to ascend to a higher plane. That's what I want for myself, too. He's Literally Me.
>>290250173>That's what I want for myself, too.Prepare for the Holy Grail War then.
>technobabble>but it's essentially "souls and the afterlife are indeed real, but explained in a science way for modern in-universe proclivities, bye"Did I get it right, I wasn't expecting anything like this but I'm moved
>>290250173Based KnYchad
>Jesus was in this episodeHeaven confirmed
Weird that the Saru Latino isn't directing this one, he should be.
>>290244558Because when you see the face of God, you will dieAnd there will be nothing left of youExcept the God-man, the God-womanThe heavenly man, the heavenly womanThe heavenly childThere'll be prayer on your lips day and nightThere'll be a song of jubilee waiting for your kingThere will be nothing you will look--be looking for in this worldExcepting for your godThis is all a dreamA dream in death
>>290249115"This isn't war. The fuchikomas would be sad if we forgot that.."
>>290248476Just watch the 95 movie, it explains what the mangaka wanted to convey but failed to miserably.
She looks ready to start 3rd Impact
>>290246417I have a guess.She's too perfect.Her skin is too flawless. Her features too even. Her hair too floofy. It's not like she has plastic skin, but maybe like she's a magazine model that stepped right off the page. She's TOO pretty. Too good to be true. And she probably has the exact same bust waist hip measurements of the general model? The mathematically perfect woman, but that's exactly what makes her look like a fraud.
>>290250388She looks like she digs giant robots
Lupin III is a little different from what I remember.
>>290234170fpbpShirowshit GitSfags? Humiliated.
>>290249758based
>>290249934I don't see what you mean by barren, except that they aren't colored like candy. There are like fifteen minutes of talking that don't have some kind of thematic visual or tech/gun porn and even they are well shot.
What a troll, lmao
>>290238528Why even bother to read technobabble when you know it's all bs?
>>290250761>thematic visual or tech/gun porn*or action
>>290243121Teen Titans was ok, but it's not even close to being a masterpiece.
SCIENCE SARU OWES ME NIPPLES
Don't tell me that goofy major is gone forever now
>>290243121the non bait version would be SAC, not the 1995 film.
>>290242990I love women like her
>>290245296seconding this, a bad sub makes whole scenes incomprehensible.
>>290250838My theory is that the nipples have been stolen by the two other ghost shows airing this season, neither of which had nipples in their respective manga.
>>290250838Fondle your own if you're that desperate.
Compare it to any random shot from something like Patlabor 2. The framing of the scenes, the visuals, there's always something cool going on. Even the mundane is presented in interesting ways. When GitS isn't in one of its famous scenes, it's not very fun to watch.
>>290236683>He comes to us in the form that comforts us.Based mommy god
https://x.com/Kidou_Kaiju/status/2089874842732712225
>>290251002>that look of disgust and contempthot
>>290251002>fucking meatbag plebs
what went wrong?
>>290247869>the technobabble isnt a problem, it's the pacing and exposition that is bad. it feels rushed and I feel no connection to any of the charactersthat's just true to the original work (overrated)
>>290241052that's what makes is a really good adaptation of a bad manga
>>290251056look at that fucking chin oh my god
>>290251056>what went wrongYou not including anything from SAC to make this perfect
so which jew was masamune ripping off for the puppet master's theogony?
>>290251030gayyyyy
>>290251056gits '95 is so fucking boring, never post screencaps of that in my true GitS threads.
>>290246376This little shit should be at least 1 years old now as of the current episode right?
>>290248476bunch of gnostic-jewish nonsense repeated by a jap that didn't the context. don't worry about it.
>>290251056I like both
>>290245034Without invasive implants like those a normal person can never hope to compete with the incredibly typing speed of a NINJA!
why did they choose to emulate the original manga art style anyway?
>Bunch of slack jawed faggots around here
>>290251150*didn't understand the context
the latest episode was sooooo good
is this gonna be a 10 or 12 episode ordeal? anybody know?
>>290250388This studio decided to went full Rei Ayanami on her
>>290251158because sac had already done the whole "what if gits was smart" thing, so they had to play it straight
>>290251178Funny thing is that GiTS and Evangelion are kind of contemporaries
>>290251169why
Ask a clanker "what doth life?" and watch them overload.
>>290248132in context it didn't bother me one bit
>>290249183I think they said MAG Union
>>290247794the problem with any broadcast-only mode is what do you do when the system sends back "INPUT ERROR"
>>290245034>Shitpost Machine 9000
Batoukin' on this blunt, nigga
>>290251056That it took 31 years to get the cute dork major we wanted.
CD player erotic
>We Mesopotamia now
>>290236650>>290236622I felt close to nothing. It feels like they failed to make it mean anything or maybe i'm just too deadened inside to get into these lofty feels without better prep.
Faux-3d jammers
Wait a minuteHe was Homer Simpson all along?
>>290251441there's no feels to get, it's a load of nonsense that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny even if you're inclined to the same viewpoints.if your reaction was "well that's a bunch of words that don't really connect" then congrationations, you appreciated it fully.
>>290251495>congrationationsgonna start using this typo intentionally
>>290251056faithful adaptations are not a good idea for gag mangas
Squawk
>>290251495Oshii really doesn't have the same kind of humiliation ritual as ShirowBecause with Oshii, you at least know you'll never get>this is a deep meditation on socioeconomic systems, the nature of politics and human relations, the very essence of a soul and the definition of life itself, and also here's a teenage girl with huge tits getting fucking plowed by a horse so you know to take my musing seriously
>>290251521Why?
>>290250198>but I'm movedwhy? using more, or more complicated, words to explain a concept makes it less profound, not more.
>>290251555its hard to respect the major when she keeps making wacky faces
>>290251537Wtf were those images of egyptian gods anyway? That part wasn't in the manga
>>290251643>Egyptianlmao, those are older, they're Mesopotamian
>>290251643appropriate for a bunch of turbokiked theosophy tqbh
:3
>>290251640When did respecting the characters become a requirement for watching an anime?
>>290251714idk about watching but it certainly helps when it comes to enjoying
>>290251714Not him but there are some characters I genuinely like to the point that I do genuinely respect themThing is that guy is probably attached to the 1995 version which to him is the default Mokoto, who is a respectable character in her own right but she's not really the original Mokoto
>>290251723So you couldn't enjoy watching a show with a despicable MC?
>>290251487Idiot. That's Troy McClure, playing Batou in the live action 1995 film.
>>290251056>we want the fortnite/minecraft audience
after pudding dies the tachicomas make a new pudding
>>290251737>attachedThis is the problem with Oshiifags.They are like clingy ex girlfriends that still stalk you 30 years later.
the major is very smart
>>290251763despicable characters can still be respectable. i feel like you're trying to set me up for some gotcha here rather than seriously inquiring.
>>290251798>i feel like you're trying to set me up for some gotcha here rather than seriously inquiring.Not at all, anon. I just don't understand the desire for respectable characters.
>>290251826Zany wacky major is respectable though.It’s always the stuck up serious types that always lose their shit anyways
>>290246119Wait, the what
>>290250946I'm not sure what you would consider a famous scene, but I would say the vast majority of gits is visually interesting. Also mundane visuals are the subject of some of the most famous scenes from the film (e.g. wandering the city, Kusanagi waking up). It is probably fair to say that the least interesting style of scene (two characters talking in a room) is shot in a more dynamic way in p2. The film would be unwatchable if they got such scenes wrong. However as I said before they are a small portion of gits, and are still completely acceptable visually. Remember I am comparing the 1995 film to the 2026 anime, not to every other excellent movie. That pic also isn't a good example as gits uses the same reflection imagery effectively in a "barren" expository scene, when interrogating the trash guy.
why do autists throw a shitfit when you say you love the manga/2026, 1995, and SAC all the same?
>>290252002There can be only one, anon.
>>290251391>putting the disk in label downThat's not how you use a CD reader. Also the delicate label side can easily be damaged and cannot be repaired unlike the shiny side.
>>290252002This is my take. I like them all but 2045. Manga and sac are my favorite, and I’m really likening this 2026 adaptation.But I love them all.
>>290252002You learn most when you're proven wrong. Why are you afraid of growth?
>>290251714you can't take the plot seriously when the show doesn't care about its plot
>>290251056Oshii took an interesting setting and stripped out the slapstick quirk chungus. Leaving you centered on the profound question of transhumanism in this alternate future. The manga by itself doesn't really stand out compared to any other sci-fi of that era, even compared to Shirow's other works.
>>290251236>MAGA UnionHuh, so Trump becomes president in the GitS timeline too?
>>290252017>Here we are born to be kings we're the princes of the universe Opening Scene: 95 Motoko fighting Arise Motoko with katanas. 95 Motoko decapitates Arise Motoko.Que: Lightning and pyrotechnics
>>290252066It's the manga's plot, ano. The show is just borrowing it.
>>290252066reminder that Motoko was getting fisted hereand so was Batoupoor guy
I keep rewatching Innocence I really love Batou and his dog. Also say what you will about 2045 but the episode where Batou helps the old guys rob the bank is kino.
>>290240732More doaism mixed with christian imagery
I forget, in the original manga did Motoko merge with the Puppet Master explicitly because of these events, or did the actual merging happen down the line?
I've never found the popsiclemaster very interesting so I just choose not to think about him and his spiel. I'm too stupid to understand most of it anyway.
>>290237556I don't fucking understand AI lovers. There are thousands of pictures of Motoko on the internet, to say nothing of actual manga panels and stills from the various shows she is in. Why the fuck would you possibly need to make one that looks like ass and barely resembles the character?
damn, i didnt know anime could still do this kinda stuff in the big 2026
>>290252811Y'know how every artistic medium has people with no skills claiming to be an artistic genius and just need someone to manifest their vision? Yeah, AI fans are ideas guys.
>>290251495It was obviously meant to be something like "woow the collective consciousness of the world and shit"
>>290233704Shirow scholars, I need your opinion. Which release of Black Magic M-66 should I watch?This one? Is the LaserDisc rip actually considered superior to the DVD remaster? https://nyaa.si/view/2008456
>>290252066You wouldn't care either if everything happening looks like a dream from 5 years ago and a crescent moon aligned with a star below told you to ignore humans because you're crazy, the funny thing is, when the GitS movie with Scarlet J. was released, a restaurant in my city was assaulted in a similar fashion as the movie, the gov had to memory hole it, foreign girl from other country that jumped from a tall building included
>>290233704So my take on the experience Major has at the end of the episode is that as they died, the puppet master has somehow evolved beyond any normal physical substrate and has taken up residence in the interstitial virtual particles/virtual energy of the vacuum. I am anime only and the scenes are not super clear and are zooming by at light speed, so I have no idea if this is correct or not. Also Major might just be hallucinating, who could say? Fill me in anons, how close am I?
>>290236781Leave it to Shirow to make God something that can tentacle rape his self insert if it wanted to
>>290239175The end card is a homage to the art of Hajime Sorayama
>>290253125If I can't tentacle rape anything I want to molest, what's the point of being a god?
>>290252631happens later, which is important, it gives both of them time to think>>290253110>as they died, the puppet master has somehow evolved beyond any normal physical substrate and has taken up residence in the interstitial virtual particles/virtual energy of the vacuummore or less yeah>Also Major might just be hallucinating, who could say? not in this version of the story
>>290252936yeah that pretty much sums it up doesn't it
>>290251441Thats why editor sama gave us the ghost in the shell movie
>>290244558The power of lolis
>>290251913the shit Motoko quotes in the movie; it has vastly different implications in full context cause it's from a passage about charity/love, which (in my opinion but I'm pretty goddamn sure) suggests that Motoko is still missing something. It's a Mamoru Oshii gimmick, he likes having his characters misinterpret things.I'll put together all my EBIDENCE someday
>>290246685I hope not. The more censorship the better. Makes me happy
>>290249104Some Mexican
>>290250173>Is the Puppet Master a good guy? It feels like he just wants to ascend to a higher plane.In this version of the story she's all about the macro level. Cares about life continuing in general, not about YOUR life continuing
>>290249956Yes but sadly not the one true god so it doesnt count
>>290249104Why the fuck Motoko never actually hires women?Is she so afraid that she would fuck them right away and compromise herself?
>>290252742pretty sure it's a girl in this version, you can drop the "him"
>>290233704I just watched the first episode right now. This is way better than SAC, Reddit lied to me.
>>290251537>stick this up your butt to achieve enlightenment
>>290253475Did the Puppet Master ever actually murder anyone?
>>290253506I don't think it really cares what it is. Any vessel is good as any other.
>>290253337Right, yeah.If I remember correctly, Motoko fucks off for a while after her body gets destroyed and she has to fake her death, and starts using multiple bodies in Human-Error Processor, to the point of even hijacking nearby bodies because she can, because the Motoko/Puppet Master fusion's a lot less attached to their physical form in general, before they go off the grid entirely and eventually start spawning wholeass new existences that just kinda... live their own lives by the time of Man-Machine Interface, like Motoko Aramaki? Do we ever learn what specifically happens to the original Motoko/Puppet Master fusion or is that more or less one of the great big unsolved mysteries of the GitS canon that eventually leads into the events of Appleseed?
>>290233704The adaptation being heavily CENSORED filters people, OP not the """technobabble"""
>>290253602Coomers aren't people.
>>290251441Was the opposite for me. 95 is one of Ito's weaker scripts and it feels shackled to having to chain together scenes that were never meant to be related. The question of 'Did the major find proof of god' is just more interesting than 'when you combine with an AI you turn into a new thing'. That's the kind of shit shonen takes as given.
>>290253634>Commies aren't people.fixed.
>>290253418Looking forward to it anon!
>>290253465You can be whatever you want and he choose mexican?
>>290253711Another banger from the retard who brought you the concept that the character she is talking to doesn't existI can never figure out if she is meant to be retarded or if the writer is just retarded himself
>>290253532Yeah but this time we see its ghost, whch is a chicksee>>290241254
>>290253535>Do we ever learn what specifically happens to the original Motoko/Puppet Master fusionshe shows up at the end of MMI where it's revealed she's keeping tabs on her copies.In Human Algorithm she's dropping clues every now and then for S9 to do her bidding, which mostly means helping the Channeling Agency unfuck the karmic balance of the universe It seems like eventually she starts dabbling in creating bioroids and that Gaia in Appleseed is made with her participation, but I'm just saying what I saw on Japanese websites summarizing some artbooks.By the way that's another reason I'm calling 2501 "she" here: her character design is based on Gaia/Erda.>>290253669>it feels shackled to having to chain together scenes that were never meant to be related.well yeah cause it's an Oshii project, he's trying to express something different here>Did the major find proof of godthat's also something the film deals with, but in a much more critical way
>>290253530Well it was probably her idea to deck out one of her proxies with a needler gun and a hypno voice so he could fuck shit up.And she never expresses regret for it. Again, she's built to maximize outcomes on the macro level
>>290234170Kek fucking thisFPBP
>>290243121The new show unironically reminds me of Totally Spies
>>290253669The movie is simpler but it feels grander because its really well made in every sense. The anime now, even though its so much longer somehow fails to engage and i can't explain why.
>>290251056Top will be remembered for more decades Bottom will be forgotten in one year
>>290253994It's very simple: the movie spams vertigo shots at you, so obviously it feels grand, it's trying to make you feel dizzy every 3 seconds.The question is why? Cause it's an easy thing to do, really, what matter is what you're trying to achieve with it.
>>290233704They shat on the movies technobabbles but didn't realize those are based on the original. Poor faggots really think it's about virtual lesbian sex.
>>290254023Its not "vertigo" shots, its aping the style of blade runner with the long, detailed shots, contemplative tone, and music, so it gives the exact same vibe
I'm 4 episodes in and I honestly can't get into this shit. I am almost positive it is possible to do a faithful adaptation of the manga and not have it be this poorly paced and thought out. SAC really understood the absolutely retarded amount of information that has to be conveyed to the viewer with GiTS. There's the technology, the geopolitics, the civilian culture, the characters and their back stories and relationships, the philosophical musings, the actual main plot and villain, etc.SAC could recognize that it was best to just pick one of those things and dedicate an episode to it then rotate around. If they're doing an episode set in a robot factory the whole episode would be about exploring how cyborgs work in GiTS, who's allowed to make them, how they're policed, how often advancements are made, etc. If they're doing an episode on a terrorist group the whole episode is about them and their motives and politics and how Japan fits into it, what the rest of the world thinks of them, etc.With this show each episode is just all of this shit thrown together at the same time so it's not only difficult to follow (and this is as someone who knows the fucking universe already which is insane) but it's also absurdly shallow.Oh there's a terrorist group? What are their motives? Oh they're greedy and want to make money? Alright. Oh there's a robot factory owner? What's his deal? Oh he's also just greedy and evil and wants to kill people for no reason? Okay.I swear SAC had these same beats but they had like 100x the depth to them. Because each episode had a focus and could go deep into it. There's no focus with this show and so everything is kept as shallow as possible because there's no time to go into anything. At least the action is good.
>>290254078Oshii himself said he tried to make the characters look like they're constantly rising and falling, there's a shitload of huge perspective shots. You might not have noticed it, but your brain did.The Blade Runner connexion is a lot more tenuous than you might think and one of the main reasons there's one at all is because both Scott and Oshii like Fritz Lang. It's really not so simple as "oh both movies are cyberpunk noir with fake memories so I'll just copy the one that came before">>290253721thanks, it'll be a few months down the line and I'll be recycling some of my posts to make it easier for myself. Gonna be some kinda rob ager type of thing, I think.>>290253994In the anime you're seeing the Thing Itself, quite plainly. Here's a ghost, here's an angel, here's the underlying structure of the universe, here's how you access it. It's a lot to take in but it's ultimately comprehensible on a purely intellectual level.In the movie you only ever engage with symbols and aesthetics, you're always right at the threshold of witnessing the Thing Itself (assuming that there is a thing to witness) so obviously it feels exciting, because you're being cockteased with a grand revelation from the perspective of someone who can't access the Thing Itself just yet. But that doesn't automatically make it a good thing.
>>290251056Society has become brainrot.
>>290253783meant to be retarded. she's a parody of libertarianism
>>290254112>Oh there's a robot factory owner? What's his deal? Oh he's also just greedy and evil and wants to kill people for no reason?which episode was that lol
>>290251056Meanwhile the ones who watch GiTS only for the hype, shit n giggles get filtered by both
>>290254211you're responding to a shitposter, anon, he's strawmanning the fuck out of the show. The show explains quite clearly that Hanka needs to compete with other manufacturers but they can't do it with software. This is part of the wider theme of competition for survival and obsolescence which you're meant to pick up on as oppposed to having it be spoonfed to you. But if the guy you're responding to acknowledged that this is the case, his ruse would crumble.
I need answers about what happened last episodeCan the Puppet Master's Ghost exist in a metaphysical space without any hardware running its functions?Is the show implying it's the same for humans?
>>290254211the one i literally just watched, number 4. it's been ages but i swear in the SAC version of this episode everyone comments on the fact that the factory owner is occupying a jameson model body. because it's extremely odd in-universe. he doesn't just have insane wealth he literally owns a robotics company. he could have the most advanced and customized cyborg body ever. but he's in a tin can instead. it ends up being relevant to the plot and the larger story with the laughing man im pretty sure. or it's at least used as a means to explain how unequal the distribution of cyborg bodies are in universe. that some people are forced to maintain old ones due to funds, that support and parts can dry up, that there's some people obsessed with maintaining old ones, there's people with old sexbot models they get attached to etc. meanwhile in the 2026 show no one really comments on the factory owner being in a jameson model because the guy is introduced and then apprehended like 5 minutes later. him being in a jameson model body is basically just a gag so he can fall into the harbour and motoko can make a funny face.there's also ANOTHER guy who also owns a robotics company in the same episode and again we learn like nothing about him. just that he's corrupt and gets arrested at the end. there's really no time to learn about either factory owner or their personality or motives or whatever. and there's absolutely no time to use that as a tool to explore or explain larger parts of the universe and its lore. they're both just bad guys who are bad and that's all they're used for, an excuse for batou and togusa to have a shoot out with a yakuza guy. and again the yakuza are introduced but do we learn anything about them or their role in the world? in the future are they more powerful? less powerful? basically the same? who knows, because in this show they're just default bad guy NPCs.
>>290254299>Can the Puppet Master's Ghost exist in a metaphysical space without any hardware running its functions?Sure seems that way yep.>Is the show implying it's the same for humans?Potentially, but keep in mind that Motoko still needs a cyberbrain even post-fusion, so if your ghost kept existing without a body, that would just mean you're dead.
>>290254376>meanwhile in the 2026 show no one really comments on the factory owner being in a jameson model because the guy is introduced and then apprehended like 5 minutes later. him being in a jameson model body is basically just a gag so he can fall into the harbour and motoko can make a funny face.it's also an opportunity to blur the lines between robots and humans and he uses it as an excuse to claim his body was just malfunctionning>here's also ANOTHER guy who also owns a robotics company in the same episode and again no there isn't, Tonoda doesn't own a robotics companypay attention>and again the yakuza are introduced but do we learn anything about them or their role in the world?they provide drugs and kids to Hankapay attention
>>290248469It's green.
>>290253884Honestly, I never pegged that it was actually Motoko at the end of MMI we were seeing, just another duplicate/child/offshoot/whatever that was keeping tabs on the other copies, and that the Kusanagi/Puppet Master Fusion was content to just do their own thing.
>>29025112695 is the real GitS you fucking pleb
>>290254456yeah it's a fair mistake to make, not a very limpid plot.
>>290254434>pay attentionthat was the entire point of my first post. that my main complaint is the show is weirdly difficult to follow because it jumps around so much and none of the stuff it's supposed to be explaining to the viewer gets much time to gestate. this also then has the side effect of everything being totally surface level and lacking in any real depth. that same episode had a whole side plot with motoko getting one of her gfs bodies replaced. in SAC that would have been an entire major-centric character study episode. in this they basically speed run through it and by the end you haven't really learnt anything about the major or her gf or their relationship. they also try to shoehorn in some philosophical discussion in the most philistine way possible: which is literally 2 people sitting at a table discussing philosophy lol. as if there wasn't any better way to explore the points they wanted to make about changing bodies, no longer feeling like yourself etc.
>>290254376Okay here's the thing you might not have picked up on: What the show is meant to showcase is CONNEXIONS between people and organizations and the resulting consequencesThe Yakuza are connected to Hanka who are connected to Tonoda who is connected to Aramaki who is connected to Public Security and is doing this whole thing as part of an attempt to pass as a legit law enforcement unitmeaning crime is connected to business is connected to the Army is connected to the intelligence community is connected to Section 9 is connected to the police. And the irony here is that, in an attempt to strengthen his ties to Public Security, Aramaki ends up burning bridges with the Army/Intelligence because he has to arrest Tonoda.
>>290254541>this also then has the side effect of everything being totally surface level and lacking in any real depth. see>>290254551You're seeking depth within individual characters when you're meant to find it in their relationships, this is why the tagline of the show is "connected ghosts"
>>290253490Motoko's a man's woman. A real "one of the boys" except when she's horny.
>>290254541>which is literally 2 people sitting at a table discussing philosophy lol. as if there wasn't any better way to explore the points they wanted to make about changing bodies, no longer feeling like yourself etc.That's because Shirow isn't trying to wrestle with existential themes, he's trying to1- introduce the concept of sentient robots2- show that Motoko doesn't take existential questions seriously3- introduce the theme of obsolescenceWhich is important because if you start anguishing about this shit, you can't function properly, and Motoko is a survivor. You'll notice that the angle with which she tackles her thought experiment is NOT "what if you aren't urself?", it's actually "what if you're a defective unit and people come to scrap you?" because her mindset is focused on being the best at her job, in order to survive. It also foreshadows 2501 who is a defective sentient robot and section 6 come to scrap her.That scene was also an opportunity to mention out-of-body experiences which is exactly what happened in the latest episode.
>>290242644And Section 6 just want to keep her around to increase the shareholder value of the American companies they were working with? At least that's how I interpreted 2501 explaining it's purpose was to raise these companies 'points'.She's a stockprice tracker that gained sentience from sifting through massive amounts of information regularly? >>290251643>>290251669Assyrian specifically, they're some of my favorite bas-reliefs in the British Museum. Worth a visit if you're ever in London. They're just off of the egyptian area in the ground floor, the egyptian area sucks up all the tourists so the Assyrian area is more quiet so it's nice to enjoy it. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1907-0710-1
>>290254660>And Section 6 just want to keep her around to increase the shareholder value of the American companies they were working with? At least that's how I interpreted 2501 explaining it's purpose was to raise these companies 'points'.The company in question was the Gavel platinum mines mentioned in episode 2/3, meaning we're probably dealing with some high-level cold war shit about the US trying to keep control of natural resources in third-world countries by acting through proxy companies.This is why Foreign Affairs helped Aramaki bust the guys from the opening of the show, I believe: they were colluding with russians instead of americans.Anyway, the line about "points" I believe (not sure but it would be in character) might be a reference to Conway's Game of Life, it's a rough simulation of cellular activity, so 2501 is approaching geopolitics and economics as if she was looking at lifeforms, if my interpretation is correct, and she was ordered to make sure that the platinum companies survive instead of getting assimilated by the new Gavel government.
>>290254571All I'm saying is SAC handled this exact same dilemma in a much more elegant manner, which was through focus. Like I said I'm only 4 episodes in; but the pattern with 2026 that I've seen thus far is that for some reason they feel every episode has to have everything that makes up what GiTS is (literally feels like a show runner note from above): There has to be cyborgs, there has to be terrorists, there has to be corporate espionage, there has to be tachikomas, there has to be a chase scene, there has to be a shoot out etc. When you're forced to include every element of what makes up GiTS into every episode you end up with something incredibly flat, somewhat difficult to follow, and most importantly devoid of any real depth. SAC meanwhile would pick one element and adequately explore it with an episode. The universe slowly unfolded over the course of the show. Which seems like the proper way to handle something as dense as GiTS. Not blast all of it at once every episode so there's never any time to go into any individual part with any real depth.
>>290254724Anon, I just showed you that there was in fact depth where you thought there was none.It's sounding like you just have an idiosyncratic definition of depth
>>290251169it was boring af
>>290254723Oooooh.Everythings connected. Neat. Just the glowies involved didn't consider one of their tools might gain a soul and see the face of God, totally outside context thing for them.
>>290254799Exactly.I don't remember if the show explicitly mentions the date, but in the manga, 2501 was told to prioritize the platinum mines only a few DAYS after the corrupt guys from episode 1 were busted.This implies that Aramaki's involvement in international bullshit is what gave Section 6 the idea to pull the same shit in Gavel, this time using Aramaki as a pawn.
>>290254774What this post? >>290254631My point still stands in SAC that would have been an entire Motoko centric episode. In 2026 it's a sideplot that's quickly rushed through. also i can't help but feel most of the depth you've ascertained from it had to have come at least partially from a manga reading. speaking as someone who hasnt read the manga and has only seen SAC S1/S2 and the two theatrical films... almost none of what you mentioned was self evident in the actual episode.
It was beautiful and emotional.
>>290254892this post and also that post>>290254551Of course I'm bringing manga knowledge into this, but I don't need to. Everything I mentioned has been demonstrated across episodes that already came out.>My point still stands in SAC that would have been an entire Motoko centric episodeyeah which is very ironic because Motoko's name literally means "component", her narrative purpose is to tie things together.>in the actual episodethere you go again expecting each theme to be explored in full within one single episode.
>>290244325IN THE SHELL?
>>290254460>the copy is the original
>>290254900who was that angel thing
>>290254993It was either Motoko's interpretation of The Puppetmaster's ghost or an Angel, the Christian kind.
>>2902549932501's ghost in all likelihood, I don't see what else it could be
I need Motoko wearing the "I saw god and she was woman" shirt now
>>290244652nah you're just a pretentious faggot >>290247577always has been
>>290244325>>290254943NANI!?
>>290255022That's not gonna work because God looks like a tree in this show.but your idea might work with movie motoko
Did Shirow even create anything in the last 20 years? Don't care about random pictures, I mean stories.
>>290249117It is pretty much the manga. Everything before was fanfic
>>290255107he mostly writes infodumps attached to pictures, now
>>290251643Those are Neo-Assyrian genii that stand around the "tree of life".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_genie
>>290254299Why is nobody drawing characters this way anymore? I fucking hate modern anime designs, most of the female characters look like garbage from love live these days, nobody is hot anymore because everybody has to look like a damn 12 year old mongoloid.
>>290255174>Why is nobody drawing characters this way anymore?Shareholders
>>290255132see?>>290255045
>>290253506Nah it's あいつ and 彼 the whole episode
If we're lucky GiTS '26 will revive good, distinctive character design.
>>290233704Really funny to see yurifaggots getting filtered
>>290255197coming from who? If it's Aramaki and Nakamura they're still operating under the impression they're talking about some 1337 haxxor who is presumably a guy as in previous eps
>>290234170Fpbp
>>290238239I'm a time traveller from further yet in the future and let me tell you, y'all didn't stock up enough shotguns
>>290250404I had that idea too but I guess in a world where everyone with enough money could enhance their body you never can be sure if the supermodel you see just won the genetic lottery, helped a little with augmentation, sent ghost to a new body or is artificial as fuck. It would be highly inappropriate to go around and call people robots. But the lab worker is most likely a turbo nerd so we can neirher rely on their manners nor their ability to differentiate between levels of female attractiveness.I rather think because Motoko's body is state owned and made for battle and therefore needs limbs replaced etc they didn't give her the highest end model but a compromise of giving a human 2nd ranked in a special forces section something kinda worth living in that will also not bancrupt Japan when she fistfights a tank. I think they made her hot enough but something about hair yells cheaply manufactured or old parts. And because the robot on the run must be made with parts for battle androids that were just in stock when puppetmaster wanted to run fast you would argue puppetmaster had to make similar compromise
>>290242644>Remember it's because of 2501 that the peace talks with the new government of the Gavel republic went to shit. The new government, for which Aramaki was providing strategic aid.When do they say/imply this?
>>290255454"one of your subordinates provided tactical instruction"tactical, not strategic, my bad
>>290255454The puppetmaster is the one fucking everything up in the first 4 or so episodes (minus episode 1).
>>290255454
>>290254112Didn't think people who were not into Cyberpunk anyway had that many problems following the story
I still don't know how the fuck they're going to adapt the part where Motoko gets fucked over by the jews
>>290255627how did Aramaki get away with returning the gold to the Soviet Union?Realistically he would have been fired in two seconds
>>290255758he works for the prime minister directlybut yeah it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass
>>290251983Honestly, this version was still super cute.
designated shitpost thread:>>290255779designated Motoko thread:>>290255489designated Puppetmaster thread:>>290255760take yer pick
Motoko found a digimon.
>>290254631>Which is important because if you start anguishing about this shit, you can't function properly, and Motoko is a survivor.Except this is never fleshed out in previous episodes so even if that part wasnt a narrative failure the previous parts were What a trainwreck of a show
>>290254376The guy in a jameson type body is meant to just be hentai, I think. He's a prevert. He probably could get a normal body but he sticks to that one intentionally. The manga seems to express his thought process better? He loses one part of his original body at a time and replaces it to keep doing things like sky diving or mountain climbing. But then he loses his whole body. At which point he seem to crack and declare machine superiority. Since he can now do things a human body cannot.
>>290256071>Except this is never fleshed out in previous episodes what the fuck are you talking about, dude? She's introduced trying to find a new gig for her and her squad, and scolding a kid for not getting his shit together in this unforgiving world.It's established from the get-go that survival is one of her top priorities and she doesn't care about sentimental shit
>>290256104No that's a different guy I'm pretty sure, you're talking about the guy from Pandora
Why did motoko become whore? He fucked a guyDisgusting. Dropped
>>290256142Ah well, I think he's still supposed to be a prevert. There's not much more to it.
>>290255397SAC actually tackles this issue briefly. To make a truly unique appearance, you basically need a face artist to make you a unique and uniquely flawed face.I have a sub theory though that Motoko looks like Motoko, but her appearence was then used for general purposes. She lost her body young and has pretty much always been full cyborg. One of the first. The issue may be the other way around as such.
In the end, Mercerism from DADOES was made real by the inclusion of the basset hound.
>>290256342Motoko knows one such face artist in the mangaso it's not a bad theory you've got
>>290256418Well, I'm basing it a lot on SAC going in to why Motoko is a full combat cyborg owned by the gubbment. She only has a body as an experiment if such a thing is possible. Literally the first full cyborg, and funded fully as such. Otherwise she'd be dead. But that also means a lot of her identity would be owned by.. not her. Technically. Which is why she's fine with it but also kind of harshes on her sense of identity?
>>290256457More importantly it harshes on her sense of autonomy, in a very practical sense it's not good that you have to rely on a specific organization to not die.
>>290256490Yeah. It's not that she sold her self to the government. She's never been free. It's happenstance.Also, it plays in to questions of original versus copy well. Motoko is Motoko. If the general model only looks like that because of her.. it's still playing with the idea is the copy still a copy if only God can tell the difference? And yeah, how would she know she was ever human? She's been in a tin can so long.
>>290254631>Which is important because if you start anguishing about this shitIn Oshii's version they are talking about this as if it is all a novel concept to them. In Shirow's GitS, full prostatic is a mundane reality and the only thing special about he Major is that she is military grade. Like all the questions have probably in asked and debated upon a thousand times, you could probably by books or go to specific therapists who deal with cybernetic anxieties. It makes sense that the Major isn't all overly profound about it, it would be "what is the meaning of life?" tier question to them.
>>290255023WRONG! A GREAT adaptation changes the original material to fit a new art form. Copying a story word for word or scene for scene nore often than not fails because different mediums work in DIFFERENT WAYS!! The Shining? Stephen King is the epitome of human mediocrity but Stanley Kubrick elevated what was a mediocre novel into one of the greatest horror movies ever made.The Lord of the Rings? Peter Jackson took a dense epic fantasy and turned it into a concise trilogy. Those three movies are now considered one of the greatest film trilogies EVER.Shrek? More than half of the population probably doesn't even know that Shrek started off as an obscure children's book. And that movie is one of the greatest animated movies ever made PERIOD.Jurassic Park? The dialogue was robotic, and consisted of too many expository info dumps. Then came Steven Spielberg and he did his magic, and now that movie is considered one of the greatest movies ever made and birthed a multi billion dollar franchise, just like Oshii did with that mediocre technobabble manga by Shirow.Shirow owes his entire career to Oshii and thanks to him, he can retire and do what he likes doing most (like making blacked porn).
