we are going to die poor edition>Suicide HotlineHelp is availableSpeak with someone today988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline>Educational sites:https://www.investopedia.com/https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain>Charts/Screeners/Data:https://www.tradingview.comhttps://finviz.com/https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futureshttps://finance.yahoo.com/>Live Streams:https://www.newslive.com/american/cnbc.htmlhttps://www.livestreamy.net/bloomberg/https://tvpass.org/channel/fox-business>Options:https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.comhttps://optionstrat.com/https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices>Calendars:https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendarhttps://www.earningswhispers.com/calendarhttps://www.chabad.org/holidays/default_cdo/jewish/holidays.htmhttps://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html>Boomer Investing:https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_startedhttps://www.sec.gov/search-filings>Misc smg:https://www.portfoliovisualizer.comhttps://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickershttps://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculatorhttps://brokerchooser.com/Previously on /smg/ :>>60124911
Trump is based for doing a reset on the cringe american economy.
Trump please stop it hurts
>SOXL
Trump needs to triple tariffs so putGODS keep winning
I am financially EXCITED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vRZRZVDlqUThread theme.
If you're a trump supporter and you've lost a lot of money just rope now. Skip the hot lines
SOX being back to 2021 prices is absurd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rTafbQepg
Will the dollar plummet against other currencies? Or will it be ok since the fed doesn't want to print more?
Come on Dow just another 300 points!
>>60126252I'm a Trump supporter that has made a lot of money. They have been signalling that they were going to make the market dump for months now.
>>60126235it's as simple as that
>>60126229I saw an uber eats driver deliver one (1) 12oz coffee to somebody.I legitimately want the economy to crash
>>60126235I'm slurping SOXL while holding puts. surely it can't go wrong
When will Trump back away from all of this tariff nonsense?Clearly markets aren't liking it one bit
>>60126252Trump supporter and I had already sold everything last week and I'm holding cash right now.
>>60126292The catch is, he actually wants the tariffs. This is his goal. Has been for decades.
Reminder that if you try to fish at the bottom of the barrel, you'll be sleeping with the fishes come monday.t. Jim Cramer
>>60126292after I sell my puts
SOXLEIGHT (8) FUCKING DOLLARSAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>60126292It will be on internal pressure. Meaning no clear timeline and no way to follow any progress on that.
I have 2000 bucks to invest. What should I buy?
>>601263322 puts
>>60126332Tbills for your $1 return
>>60126292They aren't, at least not soon. They are driving down the ten year note at any cost.
>>60126319>internal pressureHis entire admin is filled with sycophants, nothing is gonna change. He's crashing this shit with no survivors.
>>60126332What anon suggests.
>>60126292>Clearly markets aren't liking it one bitHe doesn't care about markets and screen numbers. Biden cared and kept saying the economy was great and people voted his party out because the eggs were too expensive.
will we ever break this titanium support at 510?
>>60126332TZA
>>60126332DCA into tickers NI, G, GE, R, S, J, EW, and S
>>60126357Why don't you just roll over and die then? I never understood this defeatist mentality.
wonder how the SMA SOLAR anon is doing
>510
>>60126206>>60126054even if you might be right, if that happens it would arguably be a bigger disaster, since not only would it make all of this useless (reindustrialization would take years and more probably decades), and no one would trust the US policy's ever again, and no one will fall for it ever again so they can kiss good bye for any hopes of reindustrializationbut i think all of this is not just trump will, but it is the American regime will, so even if democrat's take power i doubt it would change, unless some majeur shit happen like massive interior instability/revolution/continued mass protests
CMON DUMP SOXL
>>60126289people don't seem to realize that we live in a dystopia. The market crashing can only make things better.
SPY -5% is crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
NINTENDO TO DELAY SWITCH 2 PRE-ORDERS IN U.S. AMID TARIFFS: CNBC
>>60126389are you implying you can't make money when you know the direction the line is going?
>>60126332shoulda bought SQQQ on tuesday
>>60126292It's about a economical reset. It's not about the stock market.
>>60126292Once countries come to negotiate and drop their tariffs. By countries I mean Europe and the Americas. Gooks are done. The Chinese and metal tariffs aren't going away.
STOP THE COUNT
>>60126332A time machine
>>60126376could happen later today. it's impossible to below 350 though, ever. THAT is not happening, believe me.
>>60126332Gold is guaranteed to go up after today. I'll even give you the exact ticker: SGOL
>>60126332food and ammo
>DOW DOWN 1,600 POINTS, NASDAQ DOWN 4.8%
I bought some Jan 16 SOXL Calls at $5 strike price that I bought for $525 per contractIt's my first ever options tradeGive it to me straight - on a scale of 1 to 10, how fucking stupid am I?(I'm betting that things will go back up by the end of the year)
>>60126452doomsday preppers are the gayest of retards.
IM GONNA FUCKING KILL MYSELFITS FUCKING JOEVER
>>60126450I don't understand why gold isn't pumping. It was always guaranteed at times like this.
>>60126306>officer officer! I was threatened by Jim Kramer on 4chan.org, I only took the necessary precautions!
>>60126432I hope you realize the tariff numbers used by Trump are utter nonsense
circuit breakers getting closer
>>60126466I dunno I had comfy innawoods trips with them.
>>60126458DOW now down 1,900 pointsIs this MAGA?
>>60126467Why didnt you sell yesterday? You got stuck holding the bag.
less than 2% from a lvl 1 breakeri am posting this so that it pumps btwbreakers are bad for bears
I SAID I WOULDN'T SLURP BUT I SLUUUUURPED
>>60126487still have one more bounce before we break 500
>>60126487the first circuit is at -7%
>>60126467Bro I gain and lose more with a quarter your portfolio.
Holy shit the numbers are going down so fast it's unbelievable it just keeps going DOWN
>>60126480Bro everyone has known that since Wednesday.Everyone still supporting the tariffs knows and doesn't give a shit.Everyone against the tariffs knows and they were already against the tariffs.Move on already.
It's insane that the S&P is down ANOTHER 5% today, what is that orange nigger doing lmaoooo
the circuit breaker would be a mercy compared to bleeding out every day
>>60126487If we actually hit circuit breakers the next open will be down 10+ or something.
>>60126404>even if you might be right, if that happens it would arguably be a bigger disaster, since not only would it make all of this useless (reindustrialization would take years and more probably decades), and no one would trust the US policy's ever again, and no one will fall for it ever again so they can kiss good bye for any hopes of reindustrializationYes.>but i think all of this is not just trump will, but it is the American regime will, so even if democrat's take power i doubt it would change, unless some majeur shit happen like massive interior instability/revolution/continued mass protestsThere's schisms in the regime, it's not monolithic and most of the population(and even most of the elite) do not have a long enough time horizon to endure the pain required to reindustrialize. I'd also argue that there's no need to reindustrialize to the extent that they are attempting to even though some sectors definitely need to be brought back on shore.
Sold everything before the megadump, sitting pretty in cash & BTC. This is going to get a lot worse and I'm not getting rugged by this 30IQ oompa loompa.
>>60126467>>60126508>bitcoin holder who's portfolio has been swinging that much HOURLY this morning
>>60126480That doesn't matter. Most of those countries don't even matter. The only ones that do are eu, China and Japan. The rest are meaningless. I hope you realize this is all just inevitable. This has been in the playbook for about 10 years at least. Bretton woods is done, no more world police, no more international trade without other countries having giant navies. Everyone else gets to fight over the middle east and Africa
>>60126521It's down because he seems to be doubling down.
I pray we reach Monday with another -5%
>>60126516even tho im generally too the right, its insane to me to see retards on twitter defending the obviously fudged numbers for tariffs. actual dickriders.
>>60126471It's doing what it always does. Gold lags by a couple days. When trump first started talking about tariffs, Gold followed the stock market, but after a couple days, the stock market kept going down while gold started to rise.
Isn't this the global reset i've heard about?the illuminati theories and stuff
My bank's mobile app isn't working
>>60126534smart, markets are going to be fucked for atleast a couple of weeks.
VIX at 42 now too, amazing to see one person destroy the entire US stock market in a matter of 4 months because he can't stop shitting his pants over tariffs and some manufacturing jobs no one except illegals wants to do
GAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>60126537I don't think this will be beneficial to anyone but you do you
I lost 300€ from the S&P500
>>60126535What are you talking about? Bitcoin has been remarkably stable the last couple days.
New thread already? Hoping to close with a +20% day at least.
>>60126581It’s Joever
So the reason the market didn't crash as hard yesterday was because they were operating under the delusion that Trump would change his mind?
>>60126548Maybe don't hang out on bot websites? Shit dude you'd get better financial information watching anime.
surely it wont drop morepeople will buy the dip
>>60126571More like 3 months. There's a pretty clear line starting from his inauguration. Presidents usually don't have this big an impact on the economy. He's historically retarded.
this is my last chance for 5100 P @ 15 isn't it
BUCKLE UP BOYS THE TRAIN TO CIRCUIT BREAKER TOWN HAS NO BRAKES!
Sold all my American investments at market open.Lmao
I'm glad I started build a CD ladder last year. I'm seething boomer finances are winning right now though. I was comfy just holding VTI and QQQ for easy money.
>>60126601Yup. I really wanted to short, but I've been burned before.
>>60126601yesterday went as expectedtoday china announced retaliation tarrifs for the retaliation tariffs.
>>60126607Strap in sweet cakes it's gonna be a bumpy ride
>>60126534>BTCHonestly I'm fucking amazed at how steady it's been. For months now BTC has tracked QQQ almost to the dollar, but suddenly the markets take a shit and BTC immediately depegs.It's gonna pump so hard once this tariff bullshit is settled in. I'm ready to go all in on MSTR, maybe even MSTU.
>>60126601honestly yeah. the further we go into this shit the more chuddies will realize that it's not just a negotiating tactic and that he's really just that retarded.
>>60126292he is literally redistributing the last bit of money the working class has to the top 1%It's so fucking over
>trump is already begging for lower interest rates on his bloglol this retard is already starting to panic isn't he
I've turned 25k into 11k since deciding to get into the market late last year
>>60126206It all returns to nothing, it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down
>>60126645I've turned 40k into 40k in the same timespan, but at least I've learned a lot in the meantime.
>>60126626But China had already announced that they were going to retaliate. Just like the EU did too.Is the market going to crash with surprise when the EU announces their retaliatory tariffs as well EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S COMING?
>>60126645Just keep riding that tiger and you'll hit 5k in no time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8QokeCM21c
>>60126652congrats you're at breakeven
>>60126609Probably the biggest self own in history, he makes Joe Biden look fucking competent by comparison. At least with Biden I had a future, now we're fucked because his ego will never let him admit he made an error. I'm just going to DCA into this mess and hope and pray that somehow they impeach him or something and I can recover in another 3-4 years. If I get laid off from my job, I'm so fucked though. At that point I will probably just kill myself
Should I buy 600 dollars in soxl?
>>60126653>34% tariffs from china>its going to kill all farmers in usaBased
>>60126653well thats the delusion. we are going one step at a time and by default people assume the trump response is the last word until it isn't.
>>60126653i suppose it depends on the severity of the retaliation.
>>60126667NO
>>60126667Buy a LEAP nigga, ride that sucker to 70
>>60126590It stops being humble-bragging if I have to spell it out for you
>>60126653It's because of the extent. The extent of the tariffs weren't know and came out way worse than expected. Then China retaliated more strongly than anybody expected. The degree to which this ramped went way fucking past normal trade spat numbers.
I love fear porn I love being afraid
who the fuck wants to work in a factory anyways, why is he so insistent on bringing those shit jobs back lmao
>>60126653China's retaliation was bigger than expected. I read that people were expecting targeted tariffs at swing states.
>>60126660>they impeach himlmao,not going to happen,enjoy you ride to hell the next 3 and a half years.
>>60126571We NEED manufacturing jobs. Covid lockdowns exposed how fake our economy is. You can't have the whole thing running on officer managers and delivery boys. It's an unsustainable system
You have to admit Bitcoin is being impressively resilient
>>60126533>here's schisms in the regime, it's not monolithici doubt there is such a schism, both sides are fundamentally liberal and Jewish, and when you look at their actual actions they do not seem at conflict at all, and there are no new anti regime elite that is rising (people like Elon and Theil are a product of the regime and loyal to it)>it's not monolithic and most of the population(and even most of the elite) do not have a long enough time horizon to endure the pain required to reindustrialize.i agree with that to a certain point, but do the people have the back bone or the will or bravery to revolt and create the internal instability and pressure to change it, and i do not mean some gay ass temporary pacifist protest by some cucked democrat's, i mean a real revolt>I'd also argue that there's no need to reindustrialize to the extent that they are attempting to even though some sectors definitely need to be brought back on shore.wrong, reindustrialization is desperately need for the US elite so that they can keep their international and geopolitical power, without it the Chinese will crush them in a prolonged total war scenario
>Did you say "thank you" even once anons?
>>60126689tbqh the rush makes me feel more alive.
>>60126690many americans have forgotten what its like to slave away in the coal mines and factory floors.
>>60126689based horror connoisseur
>>60126695Maybe possible after main street feels a lot of pain. Still way too early.
>>60126693>>60126688Then these fucking analysts are retarded.I get the surprised over Trump going full retarded on 2nd of April but every response so far has been entirely predictable.Why wouldn't China retaliate at the same %? Why wouldn't the EU do the same?
>>60126689I love volatility!>>60126688I didn't expect this but I WAS hoping for it. I feel so much energy and excitement.
>>60126690people who want toHAVE HOMESandEAT
>>60126690From past experience before current salary job: would much rather work in a factory then service industry shit like all food and call center. One of my favorite jobs was farm work and retail/supply afterwards.
>>60126690The immigrants they are bringing in.
>>60126690maga retards will be lining up to work in sweatshops after nike brings production back from bangladesh
>>60126690funny you think people will be going to factories instead of a battlefield
I have analysis paralysis. I want to buy the fat dump
>>60126718The country will have become brazil by them
>Just got my draft notice in moscow>my us investments are crashingits so fucking over WHERES THE RELIEF RALLY
>>60126695>3 and a half yearsUnless there is a major course correction I really fail to see how he can survive the midterms. I get that democrats are now just sitting back and enjoying him destroying the Republican party for the next 2 decades but when they take over congress in 2026 they won't have any excuses not to act.
>>60126721Because they hurt themselves with these high tariffs as well. I guess Xi really wanted to send a strong message.
>KO and PEP pump yesterday>dumping todaySoda is weird.
>>60126704I don't disagree with that but tariffs will never create manufacturing jobs. Holding a gun to someone's head and telling them to move to a heavily regulated market economy like the US (while simultaneously penalizing them monetarily for not doing it)The simple fact is that the US cannot compete in manufacturing and tariffs don't fix that
SINK RATE SINK RATEAPPROACHING MINIMUMSBANK ANGLEPULL UPTOO LOW TERRAIN50403020RETARD RETARD
>>60126750All the "recession-proof" stocks are dumping too. Berkshire Hathaway is down 6% even though Buffett is holding $300 billion in cash.
>>60126749>Because they hurt themselves with these high tariffs as well.Not really since the US buys a lot more from them than they buy from the US.They can easily switch to buying from someone else the US can't since they LITERALLY TARIFFED THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD
NVDA needs to fill its gap at 30.5
>>60126690it's to fill a gap in our employment model. Right now You work in the service sector and then abruptly become a programmer. There is no middle step in an upwardly mobile path atm.
Ayo watch this
>>60126739>That dome at 0:34Kino. What a combat footage golden age.
i have $10k in tqqq (like 15% of portfolio) that i think i should probably ditch, but dont want to leave myself unhedged to the potential upside in the event of a deadcat bounce or trump reversing course. is the following plan retarded?>sell all tqqq>replace with aapl>buy 3 otm tqqq puts>buy 3 orm tqqq callsi dont want to risk holding actual tqqq even though i think a relief bounce is coming, but i also am very reluctant to panic sell the bottom of a back to back rape in the markets
>>60126721China reciprocating the equal 34% reciprocal was genuinely surprising even to the Hang Seng analysts, because it's not only large in scope it also impacts their pivot to opening more trade avenues away from the US. Unironically Xi's reciprocal tariff are more of a legit "negotiating tactic" tariff than Trump's are.
>>60126735the only upside here is if the orange retard bends the knee. otherwise there's a much more to come. not a buyable dip.
>>60126724>he thinks he will be able to afford a home by working in the sweatshopyou think these companies are going to bring manufacturing back to the usa and pay you more than the bare minimum? what are you gonna do, unionize like a filthy socialist?
>>60126778Why not sell half and sit on the cash?
>>60126778Why would you buy AAPL when they're chained to China?
Imagine the EU retaliates on Monday too and we go down another 10% on the S&P lmao
>>60126771Meanwhile BTC
>>60126571the point is not that you would want to do those jobs, the point is that you would be so much poorer that you would have no choice but to do them
>>60126778>replace with aaplngmi
>>60126798the hardest part is that those tariffs are gonna stay for a while even if trump is kicked out or dies,america is done lads.
>>60126798or another -30% on SOXL to bring it to $5
>>60126690labor unions. without the ability to simply export labor to cheaper countries, they can hold companies by the balls to force higher pay/better benefits while sitting on their ass being lazy do-nothings.of course, all of that will get passed onto the consumer and shit will just get 2x more expensive to cover those increases, and people will just stop buying any of those goods which will spiral into other sectors of the economy.
>>60126792>he thinks>he will still>be able to live>in single>family and person>homesu willbecomegroup room mateslike the mexisand guats
>>60126791I was gonna ask "not even something idiot proof like walmart" but then I realized China lmaoo
>>60126778Write INTC $19 puts expiring next monthIf you get assigned your break even is $17.50 per share which is far below book value.
>>60126772When they put up tariffs on US basedbeans, the price of Brazilian basedbeans rise as well. They still take some damage even if it's not as much because of how retarded the Trump tariffs are. The Chinese economy is still in a somewhat fragile situation, so I didn't think they would make such a risky move, but Trump isn't the only leader with a massive ego.
>>60126756WOOP WOOP
>>60126429This. You VILL eat ze bugs, and you VILL live in ze pod.
>>60126819True, I'm waiting for the layoffs to start in the next couple of months soon. All those good paying WFH jobs will be gone, replaced by Pajeets in India and I get to work in a coal mine. Thanks Trump!
>>60126739here’s the pitiful relief rally
>>60126834desu i'm sure there are plenty of relative winners you can find through stockpicking, i'm talking more on an index level
>>60126704My pet theory is that all the seemingly inexplicable moves are due to future defense concerns.The retarded shit about Greenland for example, that's purely a grab for Arctic exploitation rights because we're most likely going to have a Blue Ocean Event within the decade. It's laying the diplomatic groundwork to avoid/deter a resource war, or win it before one starts.The decoupling from China is anticipation of a future war as well. The massive deflation in China and inflation in the US a simple consequence of that.Same with this tariff shit nobody asked for. It seems like it came out of nowhere, but I think it's an ill-conceived attempt at achieving autarky in anticipation of future war. Think-tank recommendations about having a self-sufficient economy are finally being taken seriously and actually implemented, but the way they're trying to achieve it could charitably be described as a "fringe" idea. To say it more bluntly, they know where they ideally need to get within the next 20 years because the Pentagon has been saying it for years, but they have no idea what the fuck they're doing on the way there, and probably won't make it to the destination at all.
>>60126778>tqqqGet out now, you already fucked yourself holding a 3x ETF through a market correction. You know you're not supposed to even hold that overnight, right? It's meant for single day trading, otherwise you get murdered by decay (as you are now).
Still plenty of jobs out there. It would do some of you guys good to learn how to work.
I'm holding
>>60126831this. literally happened here with volkswagen a few months ago. a fucking golf is like 35-40+k nowadays. ofc no one is buying that crap and people get laid off. its always just a matter of time before that happens.
>>60126831>passed to the consumerGood, Shaniqua shouldn't be able to afford luxury goods
>>60126638His plan was reliant on the fed cutting rates
>>60126778>buying options, and calls in particular, with VIX at 42godspeed you fucking retard
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>>60126864I'm just trying to find something guaranteed to get propped up or recover similar to the casinos during covid. Honestly might go into casinos again
when bottom
Well is it time to panic sell everything that is in falling knife mode?Got a decent amount of bags right now
>>60126831pinkertons about to have a huge comeback with all the unionbusting.
>>60126800I don't understand that either, but there has never been much rationale behind crypto.
sold my shit off this morning, i'm going all in on leveraged volatility if this faggot doesn't call off the reciprocal tariffs by tuesday
>>60126670>All the farmers dead>Factories coming backTrump is a Maoist isn't he
>>60126771>all the "recession-proof" stocks are dumping tooGME doing fine my friend
>>60126710>i doubt there is such a schism, both sides are fundamentally liberal and Jewish, and when you look at their actual actions they do not seem at conflict at all, and there are no new anti regime elite that is rising (people like Elon and Theil are a product of the regime and loyal to it)Jews aren't a monolith either, they overwhelmingly support Israel and think they should rule. They disagree on the best way to do that.>i agree with that to a certain point, but do the people have the back bone or the will or bravery to revolt and create the internal instability and pressure to change it, and i do not mean some gay ass temporary pacifist protest by some cucked democrat's, i mean a real revoltWhere we differ is that you think the push to change or stop it would need to come from the grassroots while I think rival power blocks will do it.>wrong, reindustrialization is desperately need for the US elite so that they can keep their international and geopolitical power, without it the Chinese will crush them in a prolonged total war scenarioDo targeted tariffs on China and continue to move where we import to places like Vietnam.
>>60126892
>"Panic selling in the stock market is starting to pick up," per CNBCS-S-STARTING????
>>60126892I am the normally bullish retail trader, can confirm I capitulated early EU hours.
>>60126798>EU>Prontitude As I know you are not European, hopefully within six months they will have agreed a roadmap for a comprehensive plan agreeing to a meeting to discuss tariff implementation, then another six months for Parliament to vote on it.
ok that was a fun bounce you can go back down now mr. SPY
>>60126916>GME
>>60126867>My pet theory is that all the seemingly inexplicable moves are due to future defense concerns.It 100 percent is. It's essentially the real discussion being had here. Both sides are preparing for war. The real threat here isn't economic, it's that America will most likely get the Nazi Germ treatment if this war gets hot. Which is why they're trying to get ahead of it now + the random autistic focus on Greenland. This is the only time a winning move can be made because after this, it's almost a guaranteed victory for China
so while ive taken a huge hit to the port, i was actually kinda lucky to be moving some money around and have like 30% cash, which i havent deployed yet.when do you actually buy this dip? i feel the excessive fear is probably a sign that it doesnt have much lower to go5-10% lower than this and ill start buying imo
>>60126916who told GME it was allowed to end greenthe ceo just bought more GME stock. big fucking whoop
>>60126937uh oh
>>60126867Go back and read defense policy think tank journals and Foreign Affairs as far back as the 90s. They've been talking about all this the whole time. Most presidents just ignored it for shinier jingle keys like terrorism, healthcare, media scandals, and being senile.
>>60126867this sounds convincing. very bad for stocks though. good bye globalization
>>60126955see what happens on monday. I think it's going to drop further.
>>60126955if you treat this not as "everything getting 20% more expensive" but rather "the us abandoning it's position as the trading powerhouse of the world" it's easy to see how we could fall much further.
>>60126795I am already mostly cash, i just want to reallocate this one position. i dont want to hold any tqqq through a correction>>60126797If theres one thing ive learned its that aapl will never die, mark my words, theyll find some way to absorb these tariffs while only hiking their prices moderately and goysumers will keep buying their trash. fundamentally i believe them to be sound>>60126821do you have any other suggestions? id prefer something unleveraged but fundamentally sound. id also prefer low share price so i can peddle CCs eventually. stuff like nvda ran up way too hard during the retard AI poomp>>60126835do you really believe in INTC? intcels never seem to learn. did they finally turn the corner?>>60126869Thats what im doing. I dont agree with the rest of your post though, havent we been over this?>>60126885Its a minuscule portion of my capital meant to be used as a hedge by utilizing leverage, thats literally theyre purpose
>>60126955the tariffs haven't even hit yet anon
>>60126955Look at individual stocks. P/E is historically around 15 for most industries. You would probably want to find something significantly below that for a nice discount.
>>60126798imagine all the money I'd makethat would be fucking hilarious
EU bros lets talk defense.Leonardo giga dumped today, think it can be good for a quick pump and dump come Monday? I don't have faith it will stay pumping with all the uncertainty.But for long term Leonardo, Thales, and Airbus is going to make that Starlink rival so they should be good for whenever this shit blows over.
>>60126908>I sold the bottom>I'm gonna BUY THE TOP!!!!
>>60126991its priced in.
>>60127012>the bottomlol
late friday dump incoming in ~1 hourbe prepared or be fuckedthis is not a drill
Just been daytrading PLTR by buying and selling then buying back ends of this puts spread. We moon on Monday boys
>>60127027why?
There's no way it's over already.
BOTTOM IS INREPEATBOTTOM IS IN
>oilfucking wew
>>60127027eh, it's more likely that late friday sees an exit liquidity pump from short sellers extracting profit on expireesthe majority of the dump today has happened
>>60127019It can't be, because I've minted on the same puts 4 different times now and I'm retarded.
>Almost shifted totally away from equities in Fe ruary when the administration kept openly stating they wanted to cause a recession to prevent a recession >Memed myself into believing institutional traders must know something I didn't since the market just wasn't reacting >Turns out they're all just retarded, the EMH isn't remotely real, and I could have made a ton of money Fuck it, I'm just riding the wave down now.
>>60126947Don't look
>>60127011All of EU def feels oversold. Tariffs shouldn't even affect them much, and govts will want to spend on defense during a recession because it is stimulus for the economy.
did jannies ban pink wojak posting? I was hoping to see more of it in the catalogue, maybe partake a bit
>they boughtriperoni to your financghetti.
WHO GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO GO UP
>>60127079Most of the board only has crypto.
>>60126899The time was a while ago, anon.The only thing holding back the market are sunk cost fallacy and knife enthusiasts.
bottom?
>>60127031retail panic + most analysts getting increasingly bearish, because anyone with half a brain understands tariff wars have no winnersthis isn't just a correction, this is fucked up big time
>>60126955at this point you have to think about how the market should be valued if the tariffs stick. we're still trading at high teen P/Es on an index level. these tariffs mean corporate profits will have to meaningfully come down, and that's before you consider retaliation from others. there's also the question of the US equity premium - should that remain under trump? personally i can't see the upside unless there's a change in policy from the retard in chief.
The fact that the market is still this high is evidence that people are still hard coping about this somehow getting reversed, or being a pure negotiation tactic. The economy is going to get raped and we only dropped another 5%. I've been saying for weeks that Trump actually doing what he literally fucking said he was going to do still wasn't priced in and somehow this is still true. I sold because I decided to take Trump at face value and believe that he means what he says. All the 4d chess memes from Trump 1 were in actuality just his advisors stopping him doing what he wanted to do and people rationalising it as intentional in hindsight, and those people are gone now. This time he is going to follow through on his promises, it's that simple, there is no secret plan.If you're coping about having missed the opportunity to get out, trust me you haven't.
>>60126899hope you have protective puts
>>60127114winning bigliest
>>60127106That's my gut feeling, but I'm worried about getting hit by a stray tweet.
>>60127114The last time we saw a straight the fuck down as hard as this was during covid lockdowns.
>>60126739>Just got my draft notice in moscowsorry bwo I hope your next respawn point is better than your last one
>>60126953>This is the only time a winning move can be made because after this, it's almost a guaranteed victory for ChinaI would go a step even beyond that, and say that the Americans are trying to get ahead of said victory, anticipating it will happen.The big push for domestic semiconductors was a bipartisan idea, not some flight of Trump fancy. They expect Taiwan will be lost and are preparing for that.They expect a future where the seas are no longer purely an American playground, which is where the strange fascination with the Panama canal came from, for instance. Chinese shipbuilding capacity rocketed past America's a long time ago and the trajectory remains the same.They're not just planning for a war, they're planning ahead of that, for a future where there isn't a war at all, China just gets what they want, but the US has already insulated itself from the consequences.
>>60127134funny because these have been the two worst days the market has seen since march 2020.
>>60127134Thats why I wanna buy. We will be back again in 5 years
>>60127117>The fact that the market is still this high is evidence that people are still hard coping about this somehow getting reversed, or being a pure negotiation tactic.Can you blame them? This has to be the most retarded shit a president have done,like by far.
>>60127097Dubs for bottom
>>60127055me and you brother, we're all fucked. the only winning move is to not play
>>60127143Trump hates the Chips Act.
>>60126739>draft notice>moscowdoubt.jpgmonke will only start drafting muscovites when he's scraping the bottom of the barrel, and I mean that genuinely like he'll draft 70 year old chechens before some 20 year old from moscow
>>60126739Just remember the first rule of war is to have fun :)
>>60127117>Trump can't be this retarded!WRONG
>>60127117yeah i'm increasingly leaning towards this. the broad market is still pricing in earnings growth this year... the flipside though is that trump can pivot and throw lutnick to the wolves at any given moment while claiming he made some yuge deals on tariffs with countries like vietnam. i'm not a buyer of the index, but i wouldn't dare to short it either.
>>60127059Why? is the squoozle here?
>>60127033>overit hasn't even started yet
relative to greenspan's "say nothing at all" tactic, i much prefer powell's "say nothing at all, but very calmly and relaxing"i was pacing the room chain smoking cigarettes all morning and didnt sleep a wink last night, but after hearing him speak im actually cool as a cucumber and might even take a nap now. really love this guy, hope trump keeps him around for another term
fuck
>>60127179Don't look especially if you have SOXL bags
DAMN
>>60127134we saw some straight downs in 2022 when inflation was near 10% lest ye forgetthen Saint Jerome saved us
>>60127150The thing that brought it back up after covid is missing this time around. The timeframe for a recovery will be much longer.
my puts are ruined againi declare jihad on slurpers
>>60127162Because it has someone else's name on it. That's pure tribal bullshit imo. He's saying how horrible it is while at the same time trying to onshore everything and setting up whole office to attract investment.
I want Trump to convey an emergency press conferenceDouble and triple down in his tariffsImpose further tariffs on China because of their retaliationSay he will mobilize the navy near Taiwan if China retaliates againReminds us why circuit breakers exist Donald
>>60127196That's true, but there will be industry winners somewhere and I should figure out which ones will win out in the end this time around
I WILL SLURP SLURP SLURP TO I CAN'T SLURP NO MOREMAX SLURP IS NOT EVEN CLOSE
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>MSTR up 3%
>>60127143>USA capitulates before the fight even startedFeels like such a common story nowadays. The sad thing is, China itself is fucked by its demographic pyramid, and won't have resources to be playing empire building for much longer.Nobody is taking away the role of US as the global hegemon, the country is just pissing it away by itself
>>60127209Trump doesn't even know what the CHIPS Act is. He just knows it's a Biden thing.
TOLD YA
>>60127097AI shlop
What are the odds that the market miraculously rebounds when I panic sell everything?It would truly be a legendary shakeout
Q-Schizos spent the last 5 years screaming about the Great Reset just to vote for the guy who is actually doing it. You will literally own nothing and (not) be happy lol.
>>60127198tsmtthey should ban buying for investor safety
>>60126292when the mara-a-lago accords prove to be unattainable
>>60127209That's a big part of it but also there's quite a bit of bullshit in the CHIPS act that slows it down.https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/
I have 100k in USD to deployWhen should I buy?
ok, fine, since you guys were no help at all, im selling all my tqqq (-$14k) to save my remaining $17k, then dumping like $2-3k into tqqq 4/17 $52c we like to have fun here!
>>60127270tesla
>>60127256Only one way to find out, help us out anon and do it
>>60126867US identified Greenland as a strategic asset in the mid 1800s and has been trying to acquire it ever since, this isn't a new thing
>>60126292Why would he? He is using it as a negotiating tactic against other nations.Quit saying stupid shit retard.
>>60127270October 2025
2pm pump right on schedule
>>60127278Fuck off Elon
>>60127270putsbuy 100k spy puts and you'll be a millionaire by the end of the weekliterally can't go tits up
>>60127291bullshit
Saylor Always Wins
>>60126229This is basically how I feel. We were over due for a correction anyway, shit was way too overpriced. When I started seeing companies with p/e ratios nearing 60, I knew it was time for a reality check. Number can't just go up forever without going down at some point. Trump is doing us a favor, honestly.
>>60127270Retard is buying institutional’s bags LMAO. >https://www.reuters.com/markets/retail-bought-stocks-largest-level-over-past-decade-jpmorgan-says-2025-04-04/Btw they literally sold-off so orderly that it didn’t pop Vix over like 30 yesterday. They are slowly unloading their bags to you retards. You are exit liquidity.
>>60127305GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
This is great if you are 50 or younger. Sorry if you're 60+ but you should be in fixed income bonds etc. anyways.
>>60127291>negotiating tactic against other nationsEven if the vast majority of countries 100% capitulates to his whims all it takes is China and EU not doing for nothing to change. China already announced retaliatory tariffs and EU said they will too.How does this 'Art of Deal' bullshit going to work?
Guess the algos really learned to avoid breakers so now you can trade knowing it won't ever move past -5% on the index.
>>60127301What a retarded take by both you and unverified "staffers", because this is literally what is already unfolding.
>>60127341Companies will move production to the USA and employ Americans, probably.
>>60127287Denmark would've give concessions 100%, but the way Trump admin acts is the way a retarded wigger from Queens acts like. Europeans don't like that. I kind of hope USA seizes Greenland and all the Eskimo nıggers die because there's no permanent subsidy coming from Denmark anymore lol. Trump just thinks he's always the top dog, and that there is no politics in other countries, everything revolves around him. He's a retard in that way.
>TARIFF ALL TRANIME PICTURES
>>60127345Didn't Vietnam not even have that much tariffs? They calculated the "tariffs" based on exports versus imports. Trump is so full of shit, fucking orange nigger retard
>>60127345He also said he made a deal with china and leafland then they add 35% tariff on the us
a dead cat just started falling again
>>60127341Trade wars are a game of chicken. China and the EU still have their pride so we wait until either the US of one of them breaks.
>>60127345Saving face because his retarded plan to try and force rates down so he could lower his debt service on his CRE properties fucking failed when Powell said “fuck off retard”.
looks like more 1 pibbers have arrived
>>60127341Imagine what happens if China offers more open trade deals to countries that mirror back US tariffs :>
I sold today at a loss and feel like I’ve made a huge mistake please tell me it’s going down further
This is the only buying opportunity you will get for the next 4 years, dont be a pussy
>>60127345>if they are able to>meeting in the near future>>60127355why would companies move production to the US if this is just a negotiation tactic to cut tariffs?This doesn't make any sense.You guys need to decide whether he is doing this to remove tariffs on the US (most of which don't even exist) or to bring back production to the US.
American politicians are all so old
>>60127398it ist. bought puts
>>60127337It's only great if you assume the lost value comes entirely from the market thinking the tariffs are here to stay and Trump dumps them tomorrow. If the expected loss of discounted future profits ends up being a real loss of profits, then it's not beneficial because the market will perpetually be lower than it would have been without the trade war. e.g. the value of an asset going from 100 to 50 to 150 is worse than if you just had the value of that asset go from 100 to 300.
>>60127399I'm buying on monday or tuesday.
>>60127165This 100% putin would not draft from moscow unless all the mongoloids are dead
>>60126273Well, the stock market itself doesn't really have much of a role in dictating exchange rates. However, if there is flight from investment in America, it could result in less demand for the US dollar, which will cause it to depreciate. The plus side is that then American goods become cheaper on a relative basis, and our exports could increase, and higher demand for American exports will then cause the dollar to appreciate once again. It's just a giant economic circle jerk. Anyway, yeah, if the fed doesn't print any more money, which they have no reason to right now, the dollar could depreciate in the short term, but it will appreciate again.
>>60127345>Trump is able to bully a poor country who imports pretty much nothing from the US and lives on exports into submission with tariffsthat's pretty impressive ngl
>>60127345>zero tariffsI'm sure the 5.1 percent truthfully required a 46 percent tariff
>>60127375I heard talks broke down so tariffs were back on the menu.
>>60127410The tariffs actually go into effect on Wednesday, btw.
>>60127413https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dudda1SEG8
>>60127165>>60127413He posted a ukro drone video so it's 100 percent som Churka they found and decided to send to the front
>>60127426>talks broke down so tariffsSure bud
https://youtu.be/bbxjTzEbLmI?si=KYUrGnLrO2XU1-Hv
>from the previous threadKEK if true. Any source on this i want to see who reported it.
I feel like max fear really is over. Yesterday I could say that today would 100% be a crazy dump, but today I can't say that next week will be as crazy as yesterday.
>>60127430My theory is that those tariffs will be nothingburgers and all I'm waiting for is for some cash I'll be getting and for the market to go lower so I can buy it for cheap.
I remember learning in international economics in college that tariffs don't actually fix trade deficits. They are more related to savings and investment. Trump's fiscal policy of massive budget deficits itself is helping drive the phenomenon of the twin deficits lmao
>>60127457mumu you look a little different today
>>60127425Well it got MSM and it's followers to actually report real tariff rates other nations impose on the US. Other than that I think they just wanted a big scary number to push nations to the negotiating table.
>>60127451this is the source articlehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/04/trump-tariffs-reason-advisers/
>>60127457monday will be worse
>>60127408I reinvest my divvies and I'm not selling til the 2060s so idk
is the invasion of greenland bullish or bearish ?
>>60127457people are still coping that this will just last a 1 week amximun,if by next wenesday he hasn’t retreated the tariffs we are DOOM
>>60127487>greenland>Anything but bullish
>>60127471in paradox games the meta is to use tariffs on a 1-2 year span in order to get enough money to build an army though
>>60126739>Trump said he would save Americans >Trump said he would save Russians/Ukrainians>Ends up screwing over all three of them simultaneously
Since we broke through 5500 and 5200, what is the next level of support? 4800?
I got two 401k accounts, should I move them all into IRAs and leave them as cash?Looks like 401ks have also been dumping
>>60127478Thanks anon
>>60127471Tariffs cause deflationary pressure. The less you need a product the more pressure. America actually doesn't need much of any(or any at all) products internationally. This is an extremely big tool I’m surprised the FED. hasnt tried to take over. Its been the biggest tool for inflation we have and we never use it to tamper inflation/trade deficits.
>>601275105000,if it break it it will drop all the way to 3000
>>60127487>is the invasion of greenland bullish or bearishits in the name dummy, bullish ofc
>>60127494yeah the market is still pricing in trump bending the knee
>>60127496too bad we real life isn't like Vicky
newe thread?
>>60127444Use your eyes anon.
>>60127523>still believe in the Fibonacci meme
>>60127525But he will be destroying Green-land
>>601275105100 is technically a support right nowA tenuous one, but a support nonetheless
>>60127531trump used chatgpt for his tariffs, you think he doesnt have a hoi4 nerd to tell him the best strats nigga?
>>60126732as opposed to working doordash?
held onto these puts for a bit too longfinally im able to offload my TSLA putsnice
>>60127512To late anon.I sold my 401k and put it in a traditional ira on robinhood and got the bonus. Think they just ended it this month. Went 100% ko and covered calls.Surprised this crash in the green. Now I’ll make a soxl gamble…If i have my 401k i would just keep it. Maybe inverse it in trading account to hedge it
>>60127523Nah. Bottom is ~4400
>161 to goHurry up I'm gonna cum
Just so you all know, the announcement of Elon stepping out has occurred because he has the money DOGE scraped together and is preparing to send it to Americans. Trump is going to give Americans a bone at the cost of the bone factory.
>>60127583>sp 500 is alredy 1 years downuffff
>>60127546chatgpt would provide smarter suggestions than these tariffs tbqhwyfam.everyone deserves a hoi nerd telling him about strats though, I'll give you that
>>60127597more likely that it happened because he bombed in wisconsin and is polling like radioactive waste
DUMP DUMP DUMP DUMP DUMP
SLURP SLURP SLURP SLURP
It is so fucking over
even earlier than I expected
STOP SLURPING YOU FAGGOTS
>>60127546he needs a vicky nerd, not a hoi nerd.someone needs to tell this dude to conquer silesia if he is planning on investing in manufacturing.
>>60126892KEKEKEKKKBUYTHADIPARINOLIKE (((WE))) TRAINED UNIGGERSLINEGOOOP
>>60127544we're getting close to testing that support again feels like
>>60127617He acts like the spergs at my LGS. Brilliant and rich, but would never be put in front of a mic.
i still dont get why companies and countries dont just ignore the orange nigger and carry on. if they all do it then nothing happens
what the fuck is wrong with NVDAsome jew really wants it to stay above 94
>999
>>60127649Ignore what you dumb nigger? If you import shit you have to pay more. That's all there is too it
>>60127675>>60127675>>60127675new bread
>>60127671so just dont pay?? is drumpf and his nigger gang gonna hang at the ports 24/7 to make sure they get tarriffs
>>60127687Yeah just get fucked by DHS
>CNBC typing headlines in all fucking caps nowPANIC
>>60126943Good, that's how democracies work. Sounds crazy in this clown tier world, but that's actually a good thing.
>>60127635If he had a vicky nerd he'd be announcing a $2T investment in new liquor factories, a flat tax rate of 100%, and a completely defunding of the US military.
>>60127687>so just dont payfucking retard
>>60127191And people say trump is a billionaire's president lol
>>60127457There are magatards and bulls still hoping this is some 7D chess negotiation maneuver and tariffs will be removed in a few weeks, wait this these people fall in despair too.
>>60128795this isvery accuratethe bottomwill be ~4600in julyand christmaswill endat ~5100as it stands
