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>>60183531musk will be removed by july, screencap this
First for rate cuts.
>>60183527sex with yukarin
>>60183531Tesla will crash
Trump Advisor Peter Navarro moments ago ontalking about Elon Musk:Elon “is not a car manufacturer. He’s a car assembler.”Lol
Wait WTF!? He legit rejected a zero tariff on both sides deal with EU?? https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/08/cnbc-daily-open-trump-rejects-zero-tariffs-threatens-more-on-china.htmlHe wants them to become tribituary states instead or something and do monthly payments for the privilege?
the crash will come tomorrow when the tariffs will actually come into effect
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>>60183540Makes sense. The average EU tariff on US goods is under 2%. And trump went with 20%. So obviously a 0% for 0% deal is incredibly bad.
>>60183548oy vey....
>>60183527I wanna breed whatever this is, handholding french kissing and creampies
>>60183540Because he wants us to remove VAT so EU goods will be on a worse playing field than US ones (even though VAT applies to all goods sold in the EU regardless of domestic or foreign origin)Yea Trump is just trying to run a protection racket, the deal was just an offramp to check how serious he is and if he's trying to run an extortion racket or not.
>>60183569>remove VATkek
>>60183569The entire point of paying astronomical vat here is to pay for boomer retirement, its never being removed. Stock up on puts
Is there any indication of how the tariffs will be implemented? I have read the executive order, but there is no mention of when and how.
Ready to get some cheapies
>>601835879 april for usa and 12 for china
>>60183540>Implying this shit show is about fair trade in the first placeAmerica can't compete and wants to make the world pay for it
>>60183587hopes and dreams and a single customs agent processing 1 trillion packages a day
>>6018359310 for China (the 34% retaliatory tariff). Not clear when China will match the additional 50%
>>60183586VAT is mostly for general government things like roads, education, defense, etc. Retirement and healthcare come from the social security tax.
>>60183599also this“If China does not withdraw its 34% increase above their already long term trading abuses by tomorrow, April 8th, 2025, the United States will impose ADDITIONAL Tariffs on China of 50%, e
>greenIt's not gonna last is it?
>>60183630market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent
>>60183630nope lol it’s astonishing people are dumb enough to be buying right now tomorrow is going to be a bloodbath
One of you nerds tell me if this makes sense.
>>60183648people love to project their copes on politicians
>>60183648"Flight into treasury bonds" didn't materialize because market dumped and 10Y treasury yields are now higher than pre-tariff (very bad). Whether it's due to China selling or coordinated selling we don't know.
>>60183694>after 3 days of - 4%LETS FUCKING GOO
why the FUCK didn’t I sell during the mini pump just before american liberation day last week? it was the most obvious thing in the world what was coming
>>60183710Normies didn't think Trump would actually add tariffs lol
>>60183630The first big test will be Wednesday open.Everything so far has just been vibes-based trading when it comes to the tariffs.On Wednesday however, the vibes will give way to reality as the tariffs come into full effect.
>>60183665But the Yuan is down now, so I guess we'll see what happens.
>>60183648I don't understand what he's saying.Bessent sounds like a retard though the dollar is getting weaker
>>60183702I'm trying to find the Reuter news with brokers saying that there would be a rally after the big drops but it wouldn't last because the fundamentals haven't changed but there's too many articles released yesterday.>>60183725>fed says inflation will increase>shadowpres says we have NO INFLATION>dollar is getting weaker>shadowtreasury says we have THE BESTEST STRONGEST DOLLAR
>>60183540I don't know what he wants anymore, at first i thought the tariffs were going to be removed once everyone agreed to remove theirs. Only bad news today, it will reflect on the market so pull out while you can
>>60183710I thought hed do like a 5% flat tariff on everyone and the market would return to normal so I also didnt sell.That said if I bought spy puts at that time id be a milionaire
lolz
>>60183739There's just too many double negatives I can't understand at all.So the orange clown's administration wants to import less but have a strong dollar? How do they import stuff then?
>>60183742That's sadly not how the US markets work, The shittier the news the bigger the pump because everyone loads up on short and puts and the MM's simply can't resist the temptation knowing there won't be any consequences for market manipulation.
>>60183756Uh oh
>>60183540Zero tariff doesn't really matter as the EU's regulations are much higher than the United States, still posing a significant trade block with the EU.
>>60183766>buy our shitty chicken or pay up
>>60183762We saw that yesterday with the ""rumour""
>buy our shitty chicken or pay up
>>60183569VAT rebate manipulation is something you could change but choose not to
>>60183743I think 6% would be more effective.
Funny thing: Trump threatened 100% tariff on China if it moves on Taiwan.US tariff on China is at 104% now so there's no reason for China not to move on Taiwan now.
>>60183778Yes, pick one. It doesn't really matter which.
Are we just huffing hopium until tariffs go into effect tomorrow?
>>60183810He will not do it
>>60183810read the first reply to you for the copium
>>60183792>VAT rebate manipulation
As a european I would not mind the added economic struggle if it meant giving the middle finger to the US and responding with tariffs to US exports and digital services. Fuck those gangsters.
>>60183810People have realized that Trump is more rational than investors who moved a trillion dollars off of a fake tweet so Wall St isn't allowed to drive anymore narratives
>>60183758I'm not sure they do want a strong dollar, if you listened to his rambling today he said other countries should have strong currencies too, that they artificially keep theirs down. That makes it sound like he wants their currencies worth more.
>>60183849people have realized trump saw multiple laserpointers on his face when he woke up*
>>60183548how does accepting tariffs without retaliation give the US revenue?
>>60183866because US consumers will be paying the US tariffs to the US government
>>60183855China devalues its currency to pay for tariffs (it's literally doing that right now because that's the only thing it can do).
>>60183875the implication here is that the revenue is coming from the foreign countries
i bought weekly puts
>>60183882china doesn't pay tarrifs, us importers do
>>60183883economic illiterates can imply many things, it won't make them true
>>60183894They have to make their goods cheaper to get importers to buy despite the added cost of the tariffs so they devalue their currency.
>>60183900no they don't, american consumers don't have an alternative and will bare the costs themselves
>>60183792If VAT applies equally to everything in the EU including domestic goods, what good is removing it but to please people who extort you?
>>60183900Burgers will keep buying televisions and shitty crap from shein. They will pay the tariffs, not the foreign company.
>>60183900>Just go bankrupt so americans don't have to pay more for their stuffYou "people" are so entitled and self centered it's unreal
>>60183778>>buy our shitty chicken or pay upUnironically, yesThat's free trade and free markets. Let the people decideIf the people of europe really do agree with these regulations democratically, then they won't buy american chicken. Simple as.Now if they actually DO buy american chicken, or even prefer it, then doesn't that kinda mean that the EU regulations aren't in keeping with democracy and what their people actually want?You can't have it both ways. you can't screech about free trade, and then block your people from choosing goods or servicesSo yes, open up your markets and if the eurofags really believe in what their governments are doing with respect to regulations that keep out american goods, then they'll just buy european products and the american shit won't sell. Simple as
>>60183715All depends on what has been priced in already. If lots were expecting a last minute save, it could be a bloodbath.
>>60183903Exactly. There is no alternative. It's either pay the costs or not consume at all. trump is buttfucking the american citizen.
implement global 100% tariffs
>>60183903That is literally what their central bank is doing as we speak.
>>60183911So why are you putting up tariffs on the entire world? Let the american consumer decide
>>60183900No, they will simply raise prices or adjust to lower profit margins. If that's not enough then they'll just go bankrupt after consumers stop buying. Nobody ever in the history of forever lowers prices.>>60183911The people decided they don't want your shitty chicken. The people voted to keep american cancer out of our markets. I'd support a 500% tariff on all American trade just so this shitty continent finally wakes up.
>>60183911You can't let people decide some things, because the people are retarded. You have to protect them from themselves. This is the task of a strong government. If there were no regulations against asbestos people would still be using it.
>>60183648The Pound was over-valued for a long time, it didn't take much to devalue it and it largely went back to normal anyway. There aren't any lessons to take from it.
>"right wing" "republicans" arguing for a stronger government
>>60183907>Burgers will keep buying televisions and shitty crap from shein. They will pay the tariffs, not the foreign company.why would anyone buy cheap chinese crap, if it's not cheap anymore?Making it 104% more expensive is a big fucking deal
>>60183911If Americans actually believed this you would have completely de-regulated medicine so anyone could practice as a doctor regardless of their level of training.hey, if the PEOPLE actually do agree with the regulations on medicine, they just won't go to the fake doctors claiming to have all the same credentials.Right?Fucking burgertards I swear, you niggers don't understand democracy or free trade at all.
>>60183906Then the tariff schedule will remain as it is.>>60183907The Chinese central bank disagrees with your assessment.>>60183908Seething eurotrash.
>>60183935Because if not chinese, then from who? America doesn't have a manufacturing industry. Are americans willing to buy a tariffed chinese product at 40 usd inatead of 20 usd, or an all-american made product at 140 usd?
>>60183630They are really betting on some last minute change to policy that probably isn't going to happen.
>>60183923>So why are you putting up tariffs on the entire world? Let the american consumer decideBecause of the trade imbalance. It's essentially affirmative action to drive towards equal outcomes in trade deficits, to make trade deficits go away.It's based on an assumption that any difference in outcomes must be caused by a difference in the way the system is set up, and therefore we must be getting "cheated" by the other countries.I don't agree with that, and I don't think most people are cheating america on trade.That's not true, and it's because of the global reserve currency status. That's the problem.But outside of that, china has been cheating us on trade. And everyone else basically, because they are a bunch of liars and thieves. So the tariffs on china actually make sense.
>>60183911>Now if they actually DO buy american chicken, or even prefer it, then doesn't that kinda mean that the EU regulations aren't in keeping with democracy and what their people actually wantThe people who decide up top what the EU implements are from national governments chosen democraticallyAnd the EU parliament is decided on votingEU picks in the commission are not too different from minister picksPeople pretending like this isn't democratically chosen are dumbThey could also just push an EU Citizen's initiative and get the EU to consider chlorinated Chicken if they get 1 million signatures. The problem is that nobody wants to buy chlorinated chicken so those 1 million signatures will never happen, thereby disproving the idea that people want it.Also people are already boycotting the US over plenty of their retardation.
>>60183939Enjoy your added 2k (probably more) living costs per household
>>60183939>The Chinese central bank disagrees with your assessment.Clearly not. Xi knows what he is doing, way more than anyone in the White House right now. America is making a huge mistake.
>>60183924>The people decided they don't want your shitty chicken. The people voted to keep american cancer out of our markets. I'd support a 500% tariff on all American trade just so this shitty continent finally wakes up.I'm sorry what?If people don't actually want to buy american chicken... they can just not buy it. And then it won't sell. And the european grocery stores won't stock it because it costs money to stock it and if it doesn't sell then its taking up shelf space they could use on shit that actually does workThis is free market economics. If what you said was actually true, then there would be no need to regulate american chicken out of existence. If the european people really did feel that way, then they simply wouldn't buy it.
>>60183929>You can't let people decide some things, because the people are retarded. You have to protect them from themselves. This is the task of a strong government. If there were no regulations against asbestos people would still be using it.Yeah I think that's fair, but then don't pretend you want free market economics. Don't screech about free trade if you are fundamentally not capitalist societies and don't do free trade practices
>>60183939>Then the tariff schedule will remain as it isIf you don't wanna follow the same level rules that VAT give to all producers who sell in the EU you do not support free trade. It's just that simple. Can't wait for total tech death though, Faceberg and Shitter will be the easiest to replace. I hope it leads to a renaissance of smaller sites.
>>60183922That doesn't not offset 30%-50% tarrifs, genius
>>60183911No people are dumb
>>60183958No, the people did that but then CHEATING american sellers started pretending their SHITTY CHICKEN was actually BIG BEAUTIFUL EUROPEAN CHICKENNaturally we weren't going to let this MASSIVE CHEATING stand so we regulated the market
>>60183948I don't think most, even people in the EU would fault anyone for tariffing chinese shit since not doing it destroys jobs internationally.
>>60183911I can't see American chicken being cheap enough to make shipping it across the Atlantic worthwhile.Only meat product that comes a long distance here is NZ Lamb and that's because lamb is probably the most expensive "common" meat.
>>60183948But why are you guys seething so much about our food standards? You complain all the time about big food and yet throw a tantrum when europeans don't want that stuff dumped here >But outside of that, china has been cheating us on trade. And everyone else basically, because they are a bunch of liars and thieves. So the tariffs on china actually make sense.I don't like China because I think they are a big threat to European manufacturing but the cope of them only being able to win by cheating need to stop when they are already outcompeting by doing better stuff at lower costs thanks to western beancounters' hyper fixation on quarterly returns
>>60183531this has to be some new level of fell for it again lmao
>>60183938someone pretending to have credentials they don't actually have would be fraud anyway, which is a felony.That's a separate issue.We need to open up other schools, so people can become a doctor and not need 200k in student loans. And maybe the nurse practitioner, or the EMT or whatever is "good enough" for certain things like "hey doc I have a headache" as compared to "hey doc I have cancer">If Americans actually believed this you would have completely de-regulated medicine so anyone could practice as a doctor regardless of their level of training.A lot of people HAVE talked about deregulating or at least reducing how medical school worksYou seem to think we're in control of our own society, and the way the system works is actually what people wantEveryone knows the system is fucked. Med school costs too much, student debt is insane, doctors are paid way too much, they can get sued for insane amounts of money, so they need malpractice insurance for crazy amountsthe whole system is fucked. It's all funny money, and it's a racket.>hey, if the PEOPLE actually do agree with the regulations on medicine, they just won't go to the fake doctors claiming to have all the same credentials.Or you have different schools with different standards, and people can choose if they want to get medicine from a doctor who went to some kind of school, no school, or the really fancy schoolThat would be free market principles applied to doctors licensingI feel like you've never debated a libertarian? the professional licensing thing is not exactly a rare talking point and I'm not even a libertarian and remembered the comeback for "BUT what about fraud doctors with phony licenses!!! snake oil salesmen!!!"
>>60183962Free trade doesn't mean no rules. Everything has rules in life, including the economy. You have to play by the rules.
>>60183949>>Now if they actually DO buy american chicken, or even prefer it, then doesn't that kinda mean that the EU regulations aren't in keeping with democracy and what their people actually want>The people who decide up top what the EU implements are from national governments chosen democratically>And the EU parliament is decided on voting>EU picks in the commission are not too different from minister picks>People pretending like this isn't democratically chosen are dumboh I'm not saying it wasn't chosen democraticallyI'm just saying it's a total contradiction to say eurofags are all free market and don't have trade barriers, even when they won't let american chicken or whatever else in... and just let the people decideThat is literally the defintion of laissez faire capitalism.Let people decide. And if the european people really do agree with those regulations, then they won't buy american chicken.This really is just that simple.
>>60183966>No people are dumbYeah, I agree. And honestly I appreciate how blunt you are about it. You're not dressing it up in any moral claptrap.but then don't screech about free trade if you aren't doing capitalism yourself.Just admit you're a socialist and it's fine. Then whatever
>Source: China Poised to Unveil Six Major Countermeasures in Response to U.S. Tariff Threats>Niutanqin,aWeChataccountaffiliatedwithstatenewsagencyXinhua: According to sources, >China has prepared at least six major countermeasures against U.S. Tariffs:>1. Significant tariff increases on U.S. agricultural products such as basedbeans and sorghum.>2. Banning import of U.S. poultry into China.>3. Suspending Sino-U.S. cooperation on fentanyl-related issues.>4. Countermeasures in the service trade sector.>5. Banning the import of U.S. films into China.>6. Investigating the intellectual property benefits of U.S. companies operating in China (mktnews.com)5 could be big, although chinks do have a lot of clones of US services don´t they? Looks like a cuck too me though.
>Monday is going to be catastrophic >No I meant Tuesday>n-no I meant Wednesday yeah hahaBobo why are you like this?
>>60184001>ven when they won't let american chicken or whatever else in... and just let the people decideThe EU allows citizens to push shit like this with a citizen's initiative but nobody's doing it. Speaks more than enough to me.
>>60183977>I can't see American chicken being cheap enough to make shipping it across the Atlantic worthwhile.>Only meat product that comes a long distance here is NZ Lamb and that's because lamb is probably the most expensive "common" meat..... Okay, then fine, but then it won't sellSo then why regulate it out of existence?If it won't be profitable then there's no reason to put trade barriers against it.Again, let the people decide. If this really is about capitalism and free trade then europe needs to open up, and let their own people decide if they want to buy shit or not.That's how free markets work.
>>60184001Free trade doesn't require laissez faire cspitalism. It just means what it says on the tin: there is no distinction made on foreign goods as local goods. It doesn't mean that there are no rules on goods, though, local or foreign.
>>60183980Honestly, I would be fine if we had less weird stuff put in our food but that's not the reason the EU doesn't let us sell there. There is no European country that has farmers that are as productive as like one medium sized American midwest state, and so they don't want those farmers to get put out of business by us. So, it's protectionism, which is fine, but we're going to do that too.
>>60183534depends how she sees you>>60183558you won't
>>60184021Because all the big supermarket chains switch to chicken half a euro cheaper for them and then you can either buy chlorinated chicken, normal chicken that now is suddenly more expensive or no chicken
>>60183980>But why are you guys seething so much about our food standards? You complain all the time about big food and yet throw a tantrum when europeans don't want that stuff dumped hereOh, I agree.The problem is that it's kinda silly for europeans to pretend they aren't getting in the way of free trade or free markets, and have no trade barriers.... when they clearly have trade barriers for let's say chicken.That is a trade barrier.If eurofags want to handicap their own industries and have higher regulations, that's totally fine. Great. That's totally great.And if the american cars or chicken or whatever enters the market, and europeans buy that instead, then that kinda proves the regulations were anti-democratic, then doesn't it?Europe needs to open up its markets and stop being just socialist fags, then whining about free trade when it suits them.>I don't like China because I think they are a big threat to European manufacturing but the cope of them only being able to win by cheating need to stopI don't know if they can only win by cheating, but they have been doing a LOT of cheating. Stealing, lying, cons, scams, etcThey get away with because their shit is cheap, but they are some scummy fuckwadsThe other countries honestly aren't so bad. Canada is not cheating us on trade. that's ridiculous
>>60184021>So then why regulate it out of existenceBecause the EU (including politicians) doesn't want to eat chlorinated chicken, so they prevent their own farmers from devolving into the same shit. The EU even allows lobbying (not bribery-lobbhing, just regular lobbying) and farmers have a lot of weight in the EU, despite this easy unhealthy way to go, nobody's managed to push this crap.Everyone in the EU from top to bottom aside from a few farmers who don't outweigh the rest don't want chlorinated chicken.
>>60184033sex with everyone on this pic
sex with dogs
>>60183968>No, the people did that but then CHEATING american sellers started pretending their SHITTY CHICKEN was actually BIG BEAUTIFUL EUROPEAN CHICKEN>Naturally we weren't going to let this MASSIVE CHEATING stand so we regulated the marketHow dare you insult our big beautiful american chicken.I'll punish you by stuffing our super healthy wonderful chicken mcnuggets down your mouth until you appreciate the true wonder and splendor of our chickenIt's the best, really, the best, folks.
>>60184058In the EU mcnuggets are made with Euro chicken though
>>60184008I’m a socialist definetly by US standards
>>60184032Yeah because they pump them with steroids, hormones and others shit. You can eat those mutant hens yourselves
>>60184065Then why are you in this thread?You people are just as retarded as Trump.
>>60184016>5. Banning the import of U.S. films into Chinawtf i want to live in china now
>>60183942>Because if not chinese, then from who? America doesn't have a manufacturing industry. Are americans willing to buy a tariffed chinese product at 40 usd inatead of 20 usd, or an all-american made product at 140 usd?you don't understand. It works the other way aroundIf america doesn't buy china's shit, then who will? We have a massive advantage here because we buy way way more of their shit, than they buy from usThe trade deficit is a huge advantage in any trade war.Americans not buying some cheap chinese crap for 6 months won't really mean much. Honestly, it might be an improvement.How is a TV factory in china going to survive with 6 months of little to no sales? Just build up a huge stockpile in a warehouse some where, costing you everything you needed to build that shit but not actually making you any money for the final sale? Lay off workers? How long can that last?americans can survive not buying cheap chinese crap for much longer than chinkland factory owners and workers can survive not having sales. and each month will only get more and more painful for them
>>60184016Yeah this is nothing.
>>60184045Again, laissez faire is not free trade. You are very mistaken. Europe has free trade with many countries, because foreign products are not discriminated on the basis of being foreign. Rules apply to ALL products the same.
>>60183993>Free trade doesn't mean no rules. Everything has rules in life, including the economy. You have to play by the rules.No, it really doesn't. Rules are the opposite of freedom. Having rules and restrictions is not freedom, it's the opposite of freedomNow I'm not advocating for anarcho capitalism or whatever. I agree with you. there do need to be some regulationsBut don't then go and do that, and then pretend you have totally unfettered free trade policies. That's not how it works.
>>60184077>If america doesn't buy china's shit, then who willThe rest of the world. The consumers of the rest of the world is salivating to buy consumer goods at cheap prices. All china has to do is lower prices a bit and the volume will outweight the diminished profit.
>>60184091Yes it really does. Sorry you don't know basic economy concepts. American education, I guess. See >>60184084
>>60184046>doesn't want to eat chlorinated chicken>>60184040>Because all the big supermarket chains switch to chicken half a euro cheaper for them and then you can either buy chlorinated chicken, normal chicken that now is suddenly more expensive or no chickenTo be fair, I think we should probably adopt the same practices, and we'd be on a similar playing fieldand then no one would have shitty chicken.And THEN you guys would have to accept our shit. assuming it meets the same standards you have. and then everyone wins, and no one has the right to complain
>>60184032They are more productive because they don't have to follow stricter health regulations>>60184045You can already sell american cars. I remember 20 years ago the Ford fiesta being everywhere. But now you only produce those retarded trucks that will never sell here because it's physically impossible to drive and, most importantly, park them hereAnd you can sell food, you just need to respect health regulations. We would've already a FTA a decade ago if you actually wanted to follow those regulations
>>60184091>need to be some regulations>But don't then go and do that, and then pretend you have totally unfettered free trade policiesThey apply to everyone with no exception which is free trade. Where is your line between "necessary regulation" and "abusive regulation" exactly? Not wanting weird shit in food seems like common sense.
>>60184063>In the EU mcnuggets are made with Euro chicken thoughoh, you will be forced to eat american mcnuggetsuntil you learn your lessonThe cancer nuggets will continue until your morale improves.
>>60184101If the chicken has no shit in it, then I'd be fine with that.
>>60184096>The rest of the world. The consumers of the rest of the world is salivating to buy consumer goods at cheap prices. All china has to do is lower prices a bit and the volume will outweight the diminished profit.Okay, so then why aren't they doing that already?America has the largest and most valuable consumer market in the world.Don't pretend that china losing access to that wouldn't hurt themIf that was the case, they would have already done it.
>>60184098>Yes it really does.Uh, no my dude. I know you maybe don't understand basic logic, but rules and restrictions are not freedom.If someone restricts or restrains you, that is limiting your freedom. It really is that simple.Just admit you don't want freedom. That's okayI want rules too. But I don't pretend I'm a super free market anarcho capitalist
>>60184128Cease the sophistry and accept that you are mistaken. I already posted proof that you are confounding concepts.>>60184121They are already doing it.
>>60184114>>60184115they mush the whole chicken into a paste and mold it into a nugget, that's how it works doesn't it?
+700 futuresThe gift, they fell for it
>>60184084>Again, laissez faire is not free trade. You are very mistaken. Europe has free trade with many countries, because foreign products are not discriminated on the basis of being foreign. Rules apply to ALL products the same.No, it really is.You can regulate your own industries as much as you want, and that's fine.But if europeans would rather buy american, if given the chance, then that means that's what europeans want actually. That's democracy, and that's freedom.You can't have it both ways. Either you have freedom, or you don't. Either this is what european citizens actually want, or they don't.And if they prefer to buy american if given the chance, then that's not freedom.You can try to separate free trade foreign policy from capitalist domestic policy, but they really are intertwined and you can't have one without the other.If you don't allow other country's goods into your countriy, with ZERO regulations, then you don't actually have free trade. End of story.Now I'm not saying that's a good idea. I don't believe in zero rules or zero regulations. But those regulations should only apply to eurofag companies.And again... if europeans ACTUALLY agreed with those regulations they would simply not buy the american product if it was allowed to enter the european market. If that's what they really wanted, and that's what they would really do if given the choice, then there would be no point to regulate it.They'd just not buy it, of their own accord. No need to regulate.
>>60184115RFK Jr is going to get all the chemicals out of our food and then we will sell you so many big BEAUTIFUL hens that you will not know what to do with them all
>>60184016>4US has a huge service trade surplus against ChinaConsulting, architecture/design, internet hosting, software etc. can all be getting hit
>>60184105>You can already sell american cars. I remember 20 years ago the Ford fiesta being everywhere. But now you only produce those retarded trucks that will never sell here because it's physically impossible to drive and, most importantly, park them hereThat's fair. All american car companies suck ass, and only some of our light trucks are good like the ford F150.Everything else is trashThat's not you cheating us, that's unironically us just making shitty carsSame thing with japanese cars taking over. They are just better, I'm sorry. toyota and honda just make better cars than ford or chevy.
big pump day glad that crash is behind us
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>>60184141>they mush the whole chicken into a paste and mold it into a nugget, that's how it works doesn't it?they also add cancer, just to be sureBig beautiful carcinogens. From chickens that died of cancer
>>60184157Time to go all in. Surely nothing will happen
>>60184140>They are already doing it.Uh, no nigger. Why didn't they ALREADY do it?If the american consumer market is so replaceable and has no value to the chinese, why have they been selling so much shit to us for the last 30 years?The american consumer market is still very valuable to them. Stop huffing copium over america's demise. Never bet against america. We are so insane and chaotic that we will make every single wrong choice and fight each other stupidly, until inevitably we make the right choice and then unify and win.
>>60184158bro laissez faire is just like my favourite game victoria 2 wow wow wow!!!
so we just keep pumping now
>>60184168>>60184178im hoping for four years of a crab market followed by a third term of crab markets
>>60184178>didn´t boughted dip>sidelined for lifebrutal
>>60184173>Never bet against americaStop huffing copium over america's demise
>>60184073Because I invest in stonks duh
>>60184178Yes, I conceded to the all mighty green
>>60184158Here you go again, since this seems to be what sinks your argument:>And again... if europeans ACTUALLY agreed with those regulations they would simply not buy the american product if it was allowed to enter the european market. If that's what they really wanted, and that's what they would really do if given the choice, then there would be no point to regulate it.>They'd just not buy it, of their own accord. No need to regulate.
the markets pumping now is bearish it means trump will think everyone wants the tariffs and see them as good so he will go full retard ahead
>>60184195See >>60184158You are again confounding economic concepts
>>60184195they wouldnt, since all chicken would be americhicken since it would be cheaperthe market would be flooded and normal chicken would get a +20% premium
>>60184201>the greatest bear trap in history
So.... the true tariffs hit tomorrow. Wtf is going to happen then?
>>60184190well betting against america hasn't worked so well for the eurofags, now has it?Since we took over our territory, from sea to shining sea, we were always going to be a super powerWe are the largest western country, by far. It's not even closeAnd western countries rule the world, and have done so for quite some timeSo it's only natural that the biggest white nation would be in chargeMaybe the euros can team up in the EU, and have more power than us. I admit thatBut you guys will just fight each other again. you know that.As long as america is the largest western nation, we kinda just win by default
>>60184205No, freedom is freedom my dude. They are intertwined. I don't care if you call them separate names or thus pretend they are separate concepts because there's multiple names.Also, here's this again since you seem to have no response to it. That means you know I'm right.>>And again... if europeans ACTUALLY agreed with those regulations they would simply not buy the american product if it was allowed to enter the european market. If that's what they really wanted, and that's what they would really do if given the choice, then there would be no point to regulate it.>>They'd just not buy it, of their own accord. No need to regulate.
>>60184228See >>60184158the answer is there. You keep being wrong
>>60184210>they wouldnt, since all chicken would be americhicken since it would be cheaper>the market would be flooded and normal chicken would get a +20% premiumRight. Exactly.Which is why the other guy is wrong.If europeans really do prefer the cheaper shitty cancer chicken, then they shouldn't regulate it on the government level.That means the people don't really agree with that regulation, and if they were allowed to buy the shitty cancer chicken, they would.By voting with their wallet, they prove what they actually want.And if they don't buy the cancer chicken, then that proves the regulation is actually in accordance with democracy. But then no regulation would be needed.
>>60184220as the saying goes it's priced in. on top of that it seems to be that reasonable tariffs from future US vs World (barring China probably) negotiations are also being priced in.
Yield chasers, MAIN ABRRITHMGOFare all waaaaaay down in the dumps, these firms have little to do with global trade, just recession risk dump.Thoughts?I need an extra 1000 per month in income due to my availability to work less overtime than I used to be able to
>>60184237My dude, just admit you're wrong. You have no answer and you keep reposting images.That's okay. You don't understand freedom or free markets, because you're a socialist eurofag. That's okay. Accept your education from your betters, and know your place.Now bow before your god.Also:>>>And again... if europeans ACTUALLY agreed with those regulations they would simply not buy the american product if it was allowed to enter the european market. If that's what they really wanted, and that's what they would really do if given the choice, then there would be no point to regulate it.>>>They'd just not buy it, of their own accord. No need to regulate.
>>60184201He's implementing the tariffs, dude. The stocks could be blood red tomorrow and it wouldn't matter.
>>60184241Y35LD... hmmmm
buy now or too early?
>>60184247See >>60184158No, free trade and laissez-faire are related but distinct economic concepts.Free trade specifically refers to international commerce without barriers like tariffs, quotas, or restrictions. It focuses on cross-border exchanges between nations.Laissez-faire is a broader economic philosophy advocating minimal government intervention in the economy as a whole - covering not just international trade but also domestic markets, labor regulations, business operations, and other economic activities.You could say free trade is one component or application of laissez-faire principles in the international sphere, but laissez-faire encompasses a much wider scope of economic freedom and minimal regulation.
>>60184249YEILD LONG... hmmmmm
>>60184238>the system thinks your post is spamkys mods
>still pumpingThis has gone past recovery, do they know something or are they betting on Trump blinking/taking his meds?
>>60184265What's pumping?And is it pumping my ass?
>>60184238We just don't prefer our bottomfeeders to crowd the healthcare system like they do in the US. How can we have them work till 80 if they die at 77?
lol
>>60183569We'll remove VAT when he removes sales taxes
>>60184189>>60184194i don't trust it yet. they might be letting retail dca morons pump so the big boys can dump from a better position
Buy puts, shorts or even naked shorting. Just short the market. Trump isn't backing down on his concessions with China and China doesn't want to back down and be humiliated by the US, leading to prolonged periods of uncertainties in the market and volatility remaining high. Unemployment is rising, bankruptcies rising and GDP for Q125 is forecasted to be negative. Earnings for Q1 will be affected by the tariff war, especially consumer defensive companies. Inflation remains persistent with Jerome Powell saying there won't be any rate cuts anytime soon to the odds of a rate cut before June rising above 50% and expectation of 3 rate cuts this year.
>>60184286my puts expire on friday, they better fucking crash this week
>>60184265No, they got the phone call saying they have to pump after that embarrassing display with the fake news tweet.
Yeah fuck that shit, I'm stockpilling on GFX cards, HDDd SSDs, RAM sticks and so on.Good luck all.
>>60184255>Free trade specifically refers to international commerce without barriers like tariffs, quotas, or restrictions. It focuses on cross-border exchanges between nations.Right. And if a country is placing restrictions on what goods can be imported from another country, then that's not free trade. That is restricted trade.Restrictions are the opposite of freedom. This is very simple.If I have laws, which let's say define a punishment for a certain crime, and then someone does the crime and throw them in prison for 20 years, which is a pretty damn big restriction on their life, that is not freedom!Prison is not freedom.Now I'm not advocating we get rid of laws, or police, or prison or whatever. We need laws and punishments for committing crimes.But I don't pretend that's freedom. Throwing someone in prison is not freedom at all.Don't put restriction on american exports to you, and then screech about tariffs.Non monetary barriers are even more powerful than tariffs, because at least you can just pay the 10% or 20% or whatever. If it's regulated out of existence, then you simply can't export to the country at allThat might as well be a 1000% tariff, or 5000% because it shuts it off completely.
>one of the worst 3 day runs in stock market history>everyone calling for black moneyyou should have learned your buy signals by now.
You should all buy the dip. Because then when it goes back up again you'll make money
>>60184300You are retarded.
If there will be another bloodbath happening tomorrow since the tariffs will go into effect, how much will the value of tech companies tank?
>>60184311they will pump 1.2% because the market is retarded
Good morning boys, market looking sensible today. What the fuck is this burger talking about
>>60184268Everything's green in my portfolio but it seems non-tech is doing best. That or there's fuckery with the currency markets.
>>60184300https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/free-tradeYou're still mixing up two fundamentally different concepts.Product regulations aren't trade barriers - they're standards that apply equally to all products regardless of origin. When the EU requires all cars to meet certain emissions standards, that's not discriminating against American cars - German, Japanese, and European cars all face identical requirements.True trade barriers specifically target foreign products through tariffs or quotas that domestic products don't face. If the EU charged a 25% tax only on American cars but not European ones, that would be a trade barrier.Your prison analogy misses the mark. A closer comparison would be:- Trade barrier: Only foreigners must obey certain laws- Regulation: Everyone follows the same rulesThe EU isn't "screeching about tariffs" while secretly using regulations as barriers. They're maintaining consistent standards for their market while advocating for equal treatment in foreign markets.If American companies choose not to adapt products to meet EU standards, that's a business decision, not a trade restriction. Many companies successfully modify their products to comply with different markets worldwide.
>>60184263>>the system thinks your post is spam>kys modswhat you had to take a screenshot and post it? lmao that's fucked upas far as your post goes, if more cancer chicken in the stores is "forcing" people to buy it, then that just means we win at capitalism. No one is forcing the stores to stock that chicken. And no one is forcing people to buy it.The stores will only do it if they think they'll make more money on it, or less cost, or more profit or whatever. But that only works if europeans actually buy the chicken.They can just not buy the american chicken.And if they do buy it, then whatever. That's just how capitalism worksIf you're saying america would take over 90% of chicken sales in eurofag grocery stores, then you're kinda admitting europeans would massively prefer our cheaper shittier chicken so much that we'd get 90% of the market share.So that means we win, because we have the better product (because it's cheaper), and that's just how it works.Sucks to suck, nerd. Now eat ze bug chicken.
>>60184323>non-tech is doing bestthat is the case yes
>>60184299Can't wait to scoop them up on the cheap. Sorry ameritards, good luck with the inevitable revolution when your wehraboos can't afford their bodypillows anymore.
>>60184315Dammit
>>60184304I'm glad that you've admitted you lost the argument.My FACTS and LOGIC were too much for your puny socialist mind. Better luck next time, kiddo.Heh.Nothing personnel!
I want to be leaf in this being a V shaped recoooovery but the last 24hr just looks like a massive bear flag
>>60184252Nigga, they’re gonna pull the rug tomorrow
>>60184325Are you retarded? Again consumer and seller goals are orthogonal. Sellers want cheap shit they can sell for high prices and consumers want good shit for low prices. By removing the mass negotiating power consumers have by voting for regulation to benefit them you are swinging to the seller side massively.>>60184334>29 posts by this retardI'm filtering you, enjoy being underaged
>>60184300Also, I love how people are stumbling over the basic idea that restrictions are the opposite of freedomIt's like... guys, just admit you don't want anarcho capitalism and absolute freedom.Admit you aren't doing absolutely unfettered free trade and free markets.And that's okay. I don't think it's a good idea to have no laws or restrictions either.And honestly, I would prefer our food standards met your levels, or even exceeded it. American food sucks and it's almost like it's designed you make you sick. It's not good.But don't go and do that, and then complain about free trade.Open up your markets, remove the non tariff barriers, and then it's great. Otherwise, stop pretending you want free trade. You don't. It's okay. You're not anarcho capitalists and that's probably a good thing.
>>60184343Day of the Bobo
>>60183935Bruh, even if there's a 100% US manufactured equivalent that was competitive with the chink product, what do you think will happen? The free market will make the US equivalent match the price of the now +100% chink product. Maybe not at +100%, so the US one remain competitive and the best offering people will buy, but definitely expect a +70% or some shit.
>>60184340The economic outlook has only gotten significantly worse since last week. There's no way this lasts
>>60184324they can however come off as such to lazy kikes that are used to getting away with selling crap. after that dodge thing usa has been all about profits and zero about anything else so naturally they are mad they would have to give up a little bit of profit to make quality products for export markets
>>60184324>Product regulations aren't trade barriers - they're standards that apply equally to all products regardless of origin.They are regulations which apply to all countries.... including foreign countries. Which mean they are a barrier or restriction to domestic companies just making shit in europe, but also a trade barrier to foreign companies who want to export to europe.It's a domestic restriction, and foreign restriction.... which means it's a trade barrier.Europeans should be allowed to make whatever laws they want, but that applies to europe.They should not apply those restrictions to american products. If european citizens are truly free people, citizens and not subjects, then they should be able to buy whatever the fuck they want.and if they choose to buy the american product then that proves what they really want, and that means the regulations are not in keeping with the will of people. That's not freedom, and that's not democracyAnd that's okay! But just admit you guys want to control people because you're a bunch of socialists. And that's not enough, you even want to extend that control to other countries.And that's okay too! I want to control who comes into america, or what products they sell or in what quantity. But if I'm restricting something from another country (regardless of if I also restrict myself) I don't pretend that's freedom.Restrictions are not freedom. It cannot get any simpler than that. And I accept that I'm not an anarcho capitalist who only cares about freedom.
>>60183958Yeah, and then get a fucking Xitter bot campaign spamming everyone with totally-not-paid studies about how cancer chicken are actually good for your health.
considering all the freefall this two day pump is very modest. if they were serious we could be up 5% now
signs of a bull market frfr
>>60184388thursday or friday will be a circuit breaker, then im deploying another 20% of my free cash,Iwent 100% cash in february LOL, i bought yesterday
I'm considering buying some NVDA on the open, my cock is bullish today
>>60184382Fuck off Amerilard we are not consuming your unhealthy shit. KYS MIGAtard!
>>60184346>Are you retarded? Again consumer and seller goals are orthogonal. Sellers want cheap shit they can sell for high prices and consumers want good shit for low prices. By removing the mass negotiating power consumers have by voting for regulation to benefit them you are swinging to the seller side massively.No, not reallyAny business that does that shit will go out of businessOf course, companies will try to get away with shit. So yeah that means you need regulationsIn any case, whatever your justification might be, those regulations are still not freedom.Regulations aren't freedom. Restrictions are not freedom. Putting people in prison is not freedom at all.And yet we still do that, because freedom is not the only important thing. And that's okayBut don't then go and complain about free trade and pretend you're perfect little capitalists who don't restrict any economic activityAdmit you're a bunch of socialist eurofags and it's okay.
>>60183756that goober theoretician just tries to save face among the other goober theoretician academics
>>60184382>Europeans should be allowed to make whatever laws they want, but that applies to europe. They should not apply those restrictions to american productsThat makes no sense. If Europeans don't want to eat chlorine-washed chicken then it's entirely reasonable for the EU to ban sales of it regardless of origin. For a long time the US had tighter restrictions on NOx emissions than the EU so a lot of European diesel cars couldn't be sold in America. Was that wrong?
>Australian beef is some of the best in the world >American beef is hands down some of the worst >Mutt farmers cry we don’t buy their beef in droves
>if Americans disliked the taste and health benefits of mixing formaldehyde into milk to extend the shelf life, they would stop buying it, the regulatory overreach from the 19th century US government should be repealed so that consumers can decide. Not like they’ll be coerced into buying it if it outcompetes unfixed milk dairies
recession CANCELLED
>>60184366>Bruh, even if there's a 100% US manufactured equivalent that was competitive with the chink product, what do you think will happen?well that's the thingthe american product will be higher quality probably. And made with a lot less poisonous shit and toxic chemicalsSo the question is the following: do you want the american product that is more expensive, but the shitty cheap chinese shitWe know how that has gone recently. China wins, china numba wan, made in china, rah rah rah china wins.Okay greatWhat if the chinese product is twice as expensive? What then? The best thing about the cheap chinese crap is that it's cheap.Can it really surive if it's twice as expensive? That's the question
>>60184412My anti-American sentiment... why, it's not fair...
>>60184408theres like 500billion cows in the usa, some great beef and some mcdonalds beef, go to rural Iowa and hit up a local steakhouse and you will cum your pants
>>60184382>>60184403You're fundamentally misunderstanding what "free trade" means in international economics. Free trade means non-discriminatory treatment of foreign goods - not the absence of all regulations.When the EU bans hormone-treated beef from all sources, including its own producers, that's not a trade barrier - it's a product standard. A real trade barrier would be if they banned only American beef while allowing hormone treatment in European beef.Your argument collapses when applied to the US itself. America has:- FDA regulations on food safety- EPA standards on emissions- CPSC rules on product safety- USDA inspections on meatBy your definition, these would all be "unfree trade" within America's own borders. Yet no economist would claim the US doesn't have a free internal market.Your "true freedom" argument is particularly weak. Should Americans be "free" to buy cars without seatbelts or medicines without safety testing? Should we eliminate building codes because they "restrict freedom"? That's not freedom - it's removing the protections that make meaningful choice possible.Democratic societies have always balanced individual choice with collective standards. That's not socialism - it's how functioning markets actually work in every developed economy on earth.
>>60184412The annoying part is that stocks are still grossly overvalued. This wasnt the market correction since it's a reaction to trade fear
>>60184386>Yeah, and then get a fucking Xitter bot campaign spamming everyone with totally-not-paid studies about how cancer chicken are actually good for your health.I will, and I will enjoy every second of that corrupt regulatory capture and special interest lobbying and the sweet sweet donor bucksIt's the american way!Don't you know, smoking is good for you. Lol I still think that's funny. We used to think smoking is good for you
>>60184407>That makes no sense. If Europeans don't want to eat chlorine-washed chicken then it's entirely reasonable for the EU to ban sales of it regardless of origin.Yeah, that's totally fine.But it should be unnecessary regulation.If european people really agreed with that law, and it wasn't just being forced on them from above, then they just wouldn't buy it.>For a long time the US had tighter restrictions on NOx emissions than the EU so a lot of European diesel cars couldn't be sold in America. Was that wrong?Uh, something something, uh... american exceptionalism? Eat shit socialist!!!haha
>>60184412Gme here. Welcome to swap hell. That was the whipsawing yeaterday, everyone setting up deals.
>>60184403free trade is harmful. what you gain in one area you lose somewhere else. perhaps you get to sell poisoned chicken but in return your car industry takes a hit
>>60184412yesterday you niggers were celebrating a Black Monday and futures were blood red, now it is the opposite
>>60184444I want it to crash, this is bad newsCRASH TO 400 YOU GAY NIGGERS
today is mumu day
>>60184410>>if Americans disliked the taste and health benefits of mixing formaldehyde into milk to extend the shelf life, they would stop buying it, the regulatory overreach from the 19th century US government should be repealed so that consumers can decide. Not like they’ll be coerced into buying it if it outcompetes unfixed milk dairiesSounds like someone doesn't like unfettered anarcho capitalismAnd that's not okay. How dare you bring your facts and logic into this debate?Look anyway, the point is, and this seems to be the major stumbling block here, is that such regulations are NOT freedom. Literally no restriction or regulation is freedom. That is the opposite of freedom.And that's fine.... but don't pretend you are doing unfettered absolutist capitalism. you're not.
>>60184427a correction like that will never come. we love to say its overvalued but honestly as long as people slurp it up its not
>>60184449*200
>>60184441>free trade is harmful. what you gain in one area you lose somewhere else. perhaps you get to sell poisoned chicken but in return your car industry takes a hitthen let's stop pretending we're doing free tradeLet's just admit we do trade barriers, and protect certain industries. That's okay.
>>60184454No, your definition of free trade is not the actual definition of free trade. Nobody cares about what you think freedom means, free trade is a technical term with specific connotations.
>>60184444Black Monday was canceled over some retard tweeting that Trump was walking back the tariffs. Now they have to act like they didn’t pump the market over a fucking tweet with a fake little pump today. It’s all downhill from here.
Whacky Wednesday coming soon.Until then, we rest in fields of green.
>>60184444checked. anyway the big players have secured short positions so they can let the US market (and thus everyone else) free fall once tariffs actually happen. It's amazing that the market is just sitting munching on grass nervously while the farmer is slowly walking up to it with a bolt gun saying "you're dead once I get to you you stupid fucking horse. on wednesday I am going to kill you with this gun"
>>60184470won't happen.
>>60184467it will pump on wednesday too, on belief he'll suspend tariffs on fridaythen on friday they'll say they'll be working on the weekend on deals and it will pump tooon monday it will be back to 580 and then... :3
>>60184454Oh is this what you guys are arguing about? Okay yeah who gives a fuck either way, please continue sorry to interrupt
>>60184417The best thing about Chinese shit is that it's cheaper and better, eg Chinese EVs, drones, 3D printers.They are catching up everywhere else btw.
>>60184474bet you 17 big ones it will
>>60184463>No, your definition of free trade is not the actual definition of free trade. Nobody cares about what you think freedom means, free trade is a technical term with specific connotations.Okay, then I am using the defintion of free trade that means "actually there is no restrictions, and there is absolute freedom with no barriers at all""free trade" shouldn't mean "well it's kinda free, but actually there are some restrictions, so it's not really free"And that's okay. But yeah. It ain't absolute freedom. We should admit that.there ARE trade barriers. THat's a fucking fact. And people should stop pretending that's free trade. and by "Free trade" I mean actual free trade, not "well it's kinda freedom, but actually with some restrictions so it's not really...."If that's the case, then that technical term is a weasel word. Very jewish kinda word game you got working there man.
china reciprocates with 34% and the market crashes, trump another 50% and it doesnt budgewas the initial crash pricing in all future tariffs or is it just being held up by hope right now?
>>60184462supposedly the thing being done was to not charge trade partners tariff for it but it never was about getting to dump your industrial waste in the nature for example which companies would absolutely do if there were no regulations
>>60184417Oh what happens is really simple. The cheap chinknshit will be twice as expensive at 100% tariffs. And the GOOD and BEAUTIFUL US manufactured one WITH CARE and LOVE will be 20% less expensive, sealing its sale, if the greedy CEO isn't feeling too greedy. Mission accomplished.And what happens regardless is the death of the consumer over double digits price increase overnight.
>>60184481>The best thing about Chinese shit is that it's cheaper and better, eg Chinese EVs, drones, 3D printers.They are catching up everywhere else btw.yes there are several areas where china has really taken the lead, and are just betterWe need to close that gapAnd probably sabotage their industries honestly. We need to stop playing fair, or playing by the rules. We need to destroy their economy and all their advantages
>>60183648All I know is that this is more than a trade war. If China comes out on top, it will be a humiliating defeat.>>601840165 will kill Disney. Remember when they paid journos to accuse China of being racist for not watching the Little Mermaid remake with the ugly black girl? I wonder if this has anything to do with that.
>>60184496>then I am using the defintion of free tradeNo, you're using the definition of Laissez-faire, stop trying to twist language.>They are trade barriersWhat is the line between "good regulation" and "trade barrier" to you?
>>60184500the random tweet reversing the entire opening loss salvo strongly suggests that people are incredibly hopeful that this is a bad dream. people are also greedy and want to buy the dip. both these factors will lead to bull traps all the way down imo
>>60184500Delusion is the better word
>>60184470you also need to remember that big boy shorters are something else. they can afford to short ath even if it keeps pumping beyond a long time and putting them billions in red. they can sit on that shit for years if necessary while a tiny blip in the wrong direction gets you raped
>>60184504You think there was ever a "playing fair"? It's literally in the CIA mission statement to keep domestic companies competitive.
>>60184517this, us retail bobos are the true heroes bravely going bankrupt to aid price discovery
>>60184502>Oh what happens is really simple. The cheap chinknshit will be twice as expensive at 100% tariffs. And the GOOD and BEAUTIFUL US manufactured one WITH CARE and LOVE will be 20% less expensive, sealing its sale, if the greedy CEO isn't feeling too greedy. Mission accomplished.>And what happens regardless is the death of the consumer over double digits price increase overnight.Well the other thing is, some of that increased price will be absorbed by the chinaman companySo they will just eat into their own profits, but it won't actually cost more to the consumer.In other words, if we can get them to eat most or all of the tariff cost, then they eat it all and it won't increase prices for us at allNow of course that won't actually happen, but it will fuck them up totally at no cost to us. So that's the goal reallyhow much can we force them to eat the cost? hard to sayEither way, there's no way they can remain profitable at +100% priceEspecially when to compared to vietnam, or mexico. That's the real problem here for CHYNAit's not other american goods. And that's the real problem here.Those jobs aren't coming back. But they are leaving china, and going to mexico or whatever
>>60184508>What is the line between "good regulation" and "trade barrier" to you?Same lines as the 13 stripes and 50 stars. Freedom, something something freedomWe're quibbling here.THere is no difference between a regulation and a trade barrier. If you regulate your own industry, and the other guys too, then guess what you regulated the other guys. If that presents a significant barrier to their trade to you... that is a trade barrier.
>>60184530And that's nonsense but it does confirm you're just subscribing to Laissez-faire, which will not pass any nation with any interest (not even the US)So that is an "impossible free trade", a reasonable free trade is closer to the EU's, where everyone is on a level playing field.
>>60183766regulations apply equally to EU companies so it's not unfair competition, and there is no way in fuck they will lower standards because orange man said so, polls say people want blood, it would be political suicide
I'm seeing a lot of tariff talk but not enough stock discussion in /smg/Here is a chart of all apparel brand companies relying on the Asian market to produce their goods. If the proposed China tariff war escalates, expect these stocks to devalue over time
>tariffs announced>the stock market is going to crash>tariffs implemented>the stock market is fucking doomed black monday holy shit we're all going to be eating leather>tariffs worsened (104% on china)>stock market is up
>>60184580choice tariffs are tomorrow
>>60184568ultimately we are somehow almost as retardedly nationalistic as the burgers and will likewise act against out interests, it's just the based euro rootless cosmopolitans who run the show who are trying to defuse everything
>>60184580clown marketBut for real, people are really hoping orang will cuck out of the tariffs just before they are implemented like he did with Mexico and leafs
>>60184580tariffs go into force tomorrow and people think he will back down (he won't) you dum dum
>>60184580tariffs aren't implemented till tomorrow
>>60184580Probably people buying stocks in manufacturing in different places, but it's more like a dead cat bounce.
>>60184597>>60184598>>60184589i meant the flat 10%that was implemented no?>>60184594is there any indication of this besides the literally fake news
>>60184568Shitaly always so cucked. How is it possible to be number 1 Russia and USA dickrider simultaneously?
>>60184614the 10% isn't even that unreasonable if that was the only thingif only the 10% stuck then this would be as much as it would fall because that's priced in fully
>>60184614no, no tariffs are in yet
>>60184593I agree retaliating is stupid, tariffs are a tax on burgers not on us, if anything they should remove labor regulations and reduce taxes to make companies more competitive and promote investment is southern and eastern europe to increase consumption in those markets
What should I short? Im about to sell my bullish positions, Im going to buy long dated puts
>>60184593They're trying to give the burgers an off ramp from retardation but the American Education is too strong
>>60184580We're already at corona crash levels, how bad can things really get?
>>60184614yes, but that only applies to countries that don't export that much to america, the big exporters got higher tariffs and they go into force tomorrow
>>60184630The Trump Crash
>>60184594do they really not understand that china is different. in all talk china is the big evil enemy and was so even before trump
>>60184620the 10% is already being collected faggot>>60184623>retaliating is stupidRetaliating is the only sane thing, all retaliation should be double what the US tariffs.
>>60184630the governments spent a batrillion gorillion dollars during COVID to stop the bleeding by maintaining international logistics, which are now being deliberately destroyed >>60184623we'll see in six months when the eu does anything
>>60184620well my bad if truethough it going down a shitload off of pure announcements then going up after it being announced to be worse still makes 0 sense>>60184637ye i know>>60184638the trump dump
>>60184616They love double penetration, it's that simple
>>60184656the EU already announced the tariff timeline yesterday faggot
>>60184642no it isn't
>>60184642We buy almost nothing from the USA and they buy a lot from us, what matters is finding new markets for the produce they will no longer buy while playing for time and avoiding escalation in the meantime. China was already reducing dependence on exports to the USA but we weren't and we have to start from 0. Once you have new markets you can put a 100% tax on american tech and financial companies while subsidising a few home grown chosen alternatives, but until then it's suicide to retaliate
>>60184656How can we destroy supply lines with tariffs kek? We can have 200 tariffs on China and US and nothing would happen
>>60184630bad enough so you're gonna have to give up on owning the libs and instead lease them.
>>60184681everyone in america is a lib if you think about it
>>60184580The best part is how yesterday, today and tomorrow being green will make him feel validated in his decision.Being green is the worst thing that could have happened, and retail made sure it happened. It's hilarious.
>>60184664it was ridiculous, they even removed the bourbon thing to avoid the wine escalation, and some of the few tariffs remaining will go into force on december 1st I shit you not, but that's a good thing for us at the moment
>>60184300>you are cheating because your country has different rules than my country>you should make US imports exempt from taxes you charge your own products because uhh>because we’re bigger than you, yeah!Call it what it is, extortion plain and simple. This isn’t even bringing up the US trade surplus on services that you’re keeping as pure profit. You aren’t being cheated, you just want to win more. You might as well point rockets and tell us to buy your fucked up chicken or die. Fuck off.
>>60184620??? they are>>60184664did they? i watched the financial egghead meeting and nothing seemed very concrete, link? there's no need to call me a faggot about it cuh >>60184677i do not agree anon>>60184691i completely agree anon
>>60184691>Being green is the worst thing that could have happenedthat's what I'm sayingit will only embolden him
>>60184691im simply convinced this shit doesnt have to follow logical reasoningif everyone in america was a plan trusting qtard it would be green forever no matter trumps decisions
>>60184697Lol it's true, 200% tariffs, trade just stops but nobody loses money
>>60184668It literally is you dumb nigger it started on the weekend
>>60184691>retail made sure it happened.The fake tweet moved 5 trillion usd. That can't be retail, must be funds
>>60184693The EU is intelligent enough to talk with businesses in the EU and ask "what would be a good deadline to find new customers to replace this revenue" unlike Trump who just instanukes everything within a week or two.
kek
>>60184743>shut the fuck up navaro you retard based fake Kennedy
he needs to tweet something like BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS COMING TODAY so the market stops being delusional
Focus on the clock, Trump said more China tariffs come 12' clock
>>60184770Imagine there is something even slightly positive, the markets will absolutely pump hard
>>60184580I predict It's just one big market wide cope. Everyone just can't believe the orange retard will really do it, hence the yesterday's market spike for even a sight of positive news. Once the tariffs will really hit on Wednesday, the market will plummet to the depths of hell.
>>60184770>market pumps 3% at open>trump tweets 30 minutes later "MARKETS LOVE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS, THEY LOVE MY TARIFFS SO MUCH I'M DOUBLING THEM!!!!">market gigadumps to all 3 breakers
>>60184784But we know the tarrifs are due Wednesday so it's priced in
>>60184770he can't stop dropping TRVKES (that stands for TRVMP NVKES for those of you not familiar new to "internet memes" lingo)
>>60184784the market will PUMP to 600 the moment tariffs go in place>>60184791>trump tweets 30 minutes later "MARKETS LOVE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS, THEY LOVE MY TARIFFS SO MUCH I'M DOUBLING THEM!!!!">market pumps again
Billionaires are losing millions and you people are laughing? You realize you'll have to foot the bill for it, right?
Today will close blood red, check my tripz
>>60184697Ye, you're right. What was announced was retaliation to steel/aluminum tariffs, not the timeline for retaliation to these new even more batshit tariffs.
>>60184829today will close at 800
>everyone thinks we will poomp todayperfect time for a doomp
Stinky green fucking day. Slurp and short while you can, friends. Wednesday is the day of reckoning.
actual market
>>60184799I don't fucking want to hear this fucking shitty ''priced in'' mantra anymore. Nothing was priced in.
>>60184859this comment has already been priced in.
>>60184859Well I've already priced them in, so everyone else should hurry the fuck up.
>>60184834the retail tards who think this is a good idea and everyone is already BTFO are buying, but I genuinely don't understand how big boy institutional money doesn't get that there's really only one way this is going to go for stock prices
>>60184859200% of tariffs on China are priced in bobo
>BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP DEPORTS OBAMA TO KENYA UNDER ALIEN ENEMIES ACT
>>60184885>kenya futures up 200%
>>60184880>but I genuinely don't understand how big boy institutional money doesn't get that there's really only one way this is going to go for stock pricesmaybe auto-trading algos aren't primed for annihilation events like this yet?
>>60183569eurokeks should remove VAT regardless of orange man's antics
just sell ITM puts bros there's no way it's going down just do it bros
>>60184880Well, stock prices are fake and gay, so if everyone just refuses to sell they won't go down. We'll just power the economy through WAAAGH energy.
>>60184467>fields of green
>>60184899won't happen because trump has destroyed the liberal movement in europe for a century
>>60184880UGANDA FOLDED!!!!! INDEXES PUMPING TO THE MOOOON!!!
>>60184892surely they calibrate these little metal niggas every day or something, it can't just be a "buy at this price regardless of fundamentals", right?...... >>60184915>market imagines what trump might say to improve conditions>behaves accordinglyI'm losing it gorg I don't fucking know anymore
Trump is going to wake up soon and post and make it dump isn't he?
I have lost generational wealth.
>BREAKING NEWS: HEALTHCHECK SHOWS TRUMP IS SENILE
People actually believe america is going to make all iphones on american soil and they like it, that's why the futures are pumping.Iphones will only be 300 dollars more, but that doesn't really matter because it was always a Luxury phone wasn't it?Then again there won't be an alternative, unless... Chinese are known for moving factories to America and then importing H1B visa workers from china to work in them for the same wages as china while living in company housing.Chinese factories along with chinese people can be moved to america, but first you have to believe the tariffs will stay for 20 years and won't be removed.
>>60184952america literally doesn't have enough people to reshore anything without either importing 1 billion immigrants or moving everyone from high margin industries like tech to low margin industries like manufacturing
>>60184909this but unironically, if nobody thinks trump is retarded enough to go through with this they wont sell even if economic annihilation is a certainty if he does
>>60184859thisnothing is priced inwhole fucking market is hanging on a string, and it will collapse if not tomorrow then a day laterfuck this shit I am selling everything
>Buffett still comes out on tophow the FUCK does he do it?
>>60184973because you picked a specific moment in timehe was behind until january
>>60184952Trump is going to fly the factories over to america you fuckin libtard it will take less than a few months
>>60184957You can always import single chinese guys who will get married due to the shortage of chinese women, and give them a work visa, then threaten with deportation if they don't accept the same salary as in china. But the issue is that trump is deporting white people with green cards right now, so basically setting up a factory in America is a risk for not only it's workers but also the owner. because trump will deport factory owners and their workers at will. You set up a factory and go bankrupt because ice arrested all your chinks yesterday night.There's no rule of law. Imagine that you go to america to invest and then get deported for trump critical messages on your phone.
truly brings a tear to my eyes seeing /smg/ filled with like minded intellectuals discussing the ongoing macroeconomic trends and geopolitical events
>>60184880cry
>>60184973I kneel, the man is a god.
>>60184899...On opposite day.Besides, he just wants VAT gone for American products, if we removed all VAT (retarded move) he'd whine anyway since it'd be a fair playing field.
>>60184973to be fair them other niggas cant exactly diversify or sell their shares, they have to schedule sell offs and if they sell too much they tank the stock and it becomes even worse off than beforethe only real outlier there is elon musk, and im super confused how he can lose 33% of his networth and still be that far in the lead -- what the fuck.
>>60184957with our college system getting obliterated, it'll be impossible to work in tech or anything requiring higher education and everyone will have no choice but to go to the factoriestrust the plan
bears are retarded, 900 EOY
>>60185010buy 700 calls bro
>>60184994I promise if green wednesday open I will anon
>>60185010you'll be lucky to see 700 by 2028
Was the collapse canceled? What happened? Yesterday was all doom and gloom, today the stock market is up. You guys get hoodwinked?
>>6018502310x the usual volume yesterday because hedgies were unloading their bags
>>60185023We're about at the mid-point now, either we drop another 20% if the tariffs go through or we return to 6000 in a matter of months if they're canceled.
>>60185008When everyone is losing equally the guy who was winning the most will still be winning the most
>>60184694>This isn’t even bringing up the US trade surplus on services that you’re keeping as pure profit. You aren’t being cheated, you just want to win more. You might as well point rockets and tell us to buy your fucked up chicken or die.How dare you mention the trade surplus of services and software we sell you. That is a separate issue!And yes, you will eat ze cancer chicken, or die. your choice eurofag. Eat the shitcken or eat lead. I feel like I'm being very reasonable here.
>>60185049nooooooooooooo, he'll lose his wealth and get btfo and gary deshawn from alabama will get a 200k job making tiny screw and finally have sex
>>60185049I mean he's still winning but they're completely different, Buffet isnt a guy who founded a company and has the majority of his networth in it as an insider. He can sell and buy as he pleases. The other people cant
>>60184791>"MARKETS LOVE MY BIG BEAUTIFUL TARIFFS, THEY LOVE MY TARIFFS SO MUCH I'M DOUBLING THEM!!!!"please no lmaothat would be hilarious, but probably crash the world economy
consolidationbros...
>>60185073that gigapump is so hilarious
>>60183756is this the phi=0.5 guy
>>60185080it literally reversed the perfect dump down to 470
515 putbros are probably defending that resistance
>>60185023>tariffs get billed friday
>>60185023Yesterday was unbelievably bullish
>>60185111if it pumps on wednesday how many bobos will suicide
>>60184982Yeah sure but not every factory worker is american and not every owner is american, therefore they're both subject to deportation. In my opinion his immigration policy is bearish, even if tariffs are bullish.
>>60185139>tariffs are bullishgeg
dubs is red today
600 pump today guaranteed
these people should be charged with treason
>>60185120>>60185120>>60185120Pan noveau
>>60185180I think it's the shared european ancestry that the EU is thinking about but trump wants favoritism for one race over another.Btw buy British stocks, they're bullish only 10% tariffs.
heh
>>60185236FAKE NEWS
>>60185023fun^10×int^40=Ir2
>>60184718Algos. Gme was right.
How the fuck does america do it, currently seething here as a russian, it was supposed to be our turn together with china.
I should have just gone on a luxury vacationClown market…
