New Death Battle Sunday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqVUqZxyw3cPreview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WJTcGqwCtINo G1 blog so have an Otto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLoOUVTlWg&t=21s
Does anyone else think that Dragon Ball and Capeshit have kinda ruined people's perception of normal stats?Like stuff like Supersonic speed or city busting attacks are often treated like a big deal in a lot of stories, but because of shit like the first big deal villain in DBZ being a planet buster or all the various bullshit powers acrued over 80+ years of capeshit it makes everyone think relevant stats start at like, starbusting and FTL speed.
OH NO !HE'S NOT GONNA GO 3 - 0
Mods are wall level.
>>146094901Yes.Still enjoy them for what they are though.
>>146094914/dbg/ are below average human
>>146094901Otto brought up in his prediction how speed calcs are so dumb nowadays he's not even bothering to look at them. I think he has a point.
Intermission post, @ me with normal costume requests, and I'll get back to them tomorrow
>>146095025I blame the attosecond panel.
>>146095034The Flash (Barry)
>>146094914Gold!>>146095002Mold…
>>146094901Nobody normal reads fiction for stats, you fucking autistic chump.
Everyone posting here is boundless and solos fiction
>>146095245Why hype up your favorite character to be the strongest ever when you're already stronger than all fictional characters by virtue of being real?
>>146095269My favorite character is real
>>146095269This is why stuff like WWE that employ IRL kayfabe are actually more powerful than normal fiction.You can crumple and burn the paper that Superman is illustrated on but Roman Reigns will kick your ass if you tried to fight him in person.
>>146094880Jannies going hard on these threads. Maybe they'll oust the local /dbs/ colony and there can be actual vs discussions for /co/ characters here again.
>>146095224It's just as Otto said, kinda weird to see character who use regular ass vehicles like trains or bikes to travel be given speed enough to circle the planet 4 times over in an hour.
>>146095279NikoCHAD...
>>146095279
>>146095311>Nikocado was playing a character all this time Cado solos fiction confirmed
>>146095311Reigns is a fucking pussy I'd beat his ass.JBL I'd stay the fuck away from, though.
Soloing fiction is easy for any nonfictional being.Come back when you're capable of soloing reality.
SpaceGodzilla needs a MU
>>146095458Quantum fluctuations solo nonfiction
>>146095483You mean entropy
>>146095508Humanity will body entropy, I believe!
>>146095529Quantum effects being dependent on observation proves nonfictional humans are casual passive reality warpers in base form btw
>>146094880Alright so what do you anons think on the verdict for this?
>>146095566Sportacus upscales Robbie who can survive being launched from Earth to the Moon within second, and can react to/hit an Apple traveling at relativistic speedsHe bodies.
>>146095576*seconds
>>146095576There is also catching Santa's Sleigh if you wanna assume that it's going FTL given how fast it has to be to go around the world to every house in 24 hours.
>>146095576>>146095590Homelander can not catch a fucking break in vs debates
>>146095620His best match is Captain America. Still loses.
>>146095553Humans have higher dimensional hax because they're made of superstrings btw
Type 4 Civilization Humans? Bodies Natural Law
>>146094605And then the two strongest members get instantly roasted on the surface of the sun in the final battle. If they are as fast at perception as their travel speed made them out to be, then they probably have even less heat resistance than humans.
>>146095620Put him up against Yujiro, he has an actual chance there.
HEE HOJOKERS GONNA GO1-0
>>146095553>>146095645>>146095752For real, if you tried to scale real humans using vsbw/csap retarded powerscaling logic, you can easily arrive at these absurd conclusions.
>>146095755If you mean Mark and Thragg then no, they weren’t on the surface of the sun, they were well within it. When they WERE on its surface they weren’t even sweating from the heat. Also please find me a human that can withstand 6K-10K degree heat.
Who can take them on?
I want more army vs army fighters. Not even full faction fights, just choice slices of two different fictional or not so fictional armies going up against each other.Name a Faction vs Faction war that tickles you fancy.
>>146094901Things broke down when Dragon Ball Super dropped. Prior to that point SSJ3 Goku was considered Galaxy Busting and Superman was one tier below. Back then the main argument for Superman was that he had a lot more weird abilities that would cinch him the win against Goku. We didn't really have any context for how strong SSJG and SSJB were other than seemingly stronger than SSJ Vegito.Once Goku was lined up as universal with the anime, things fell apart. Most of Goku's popular match ups turned into total stat stomps for Goku, so people started delving into the dark arts of Death Battle outlier methodology. VSBW started picking up steam too and introducing the tiering vocabulary we are saddled with today.
>>146095847Helldivers vs Galactic Empire.
>>146095842Bueno...
>>146095842My HERO… and RAPEking and PEDOphlosion are there too I guess.
>>146095859Planet and light speed used to be pretty good. Now they're nothing. I think the turning point was the Beerus shockwave stuff. That opened the door to applying similar methodology to other settings.
>>146095788and then he wakes up on a dirty mattress
>>146095799No, they were only on the surface. They stand on it for the majority of the brawl. Mark's skin was shown melting from having his back near the surface. As for the human withstanding of the heat, humans can survive it for a nanosecond because heat can't propogate that fast. If the Viltrumites have reaction times equivalent to their flight speed then they are burning up on the sun in a few dozen femtoseconds.
>>146095874I would still argue that at least inside the context of Dragon Ball it makes more sense as it is an escalating narrative for the most part (aside from Daima which is constraining things a bit more currently).
>>146096012Until someone kicks Beerus' ass all it really did was place a ceiling over everyone unless you apply dumbshit multipliers to make everyone worth a gazillion universes.
>>146096017Even in Xenoverse 2 everyone sucks off Beerus as being way above everyone else.
>>146095847The Alliance (Warcraft) vs the Legion of the Everchosen (Warhammer Fantasy)
>>146095859Adopting A>B>C logic for every series regardless of the context already ruined powerscaling. People think every setting works like DBZ where being a planet buster means you can automatically tank planet busting attacks
>>146096035Yeah, it only works in Dragon Ball because they have the "ki amplifies all aspects of the body" tucked up their sleeve.
>>146095998They were very visibly not just in the surface. The surface was where they started, and they were completely fine there. The only had an issue once they went deeper beyond it.
>>146095842I hate gen 4 so much it's unreal
>>146094880Its not possible to beat Giorno. He survived a universal reset. Joker is cool, and he was able to save Igor which is something no one else has accomplished, but he's not at that level.
>"Sukuna... I did it... I finally killed Andy...">"Gojo... That wasn't Andy, that was one of Fuuko's pubes that fell off Andy's mouth "
>>146096082What the hell is this?
>>146095566>>146095576>>146095585>>146095590Well. Time to watch Lazy TownI heard the guy doesn't use special effects for his aerobatics
>>146096080Technically everyone who didn’t die “survived” the reset but JJAGG puts GER above MIH anyways so whatever.
>>146096123I am also currently on a marathon of it. And it's true Magnus did all the stunts himself and he was 40 at the time. Now he's 60 and he's still capable of doing all the stunts he did back then.
>>146096082
>Johnathan (Part 1) got a fight>Jotaro (Part 3) got a fight>Giorno (Part 5) got a fightLooks like Johnny’s the next JoJo in line. Who can he fight?
>>146096180>Johnny's next in line>No love for Joseph who's the BEST Jojo
>>146096194Tough luck he should’ve debuted on an odd numbered Part.>best JoJoThat’s not…actually yeah I like Joseph a lot.
>>146095859>>146096035>>146096051True
>>146095481Ultraman Belial
>>146096060Iunno, this looks like the surface to me. They do dip into the very edge of the surface, but they never go deeper. Additionally, I was more trying to critique that the assigned (in accordance to their speed) reaction time would indicate that they are suffering damage much faster than reasonable.
>>146096247Better durability feat than any Dragonball character btw
>>146096180Alternate version of a heroic character that is initially super selfish and a dick that becomes a better person by the end. Anyone that matches up with that would probably be really thematic.
>>146096267What's funny was Gogeta and Broly were going to fight on the sun, but it got cut.https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dbs-broly-theatrical-program-tatsuya-nagamine/>We switched up the scenery for the fights in the second half; the magma scene in particular was added because if the background had remained as never-ending white ice, it would be hard to see the effects on blasts. The scenery needs to be darker in scenes with a lot of blast attacks. Furthermore, if the conditions of the battle stay the same the whole time, the audience will lose interest, so I felt it needed to be changed up somehow. So we did things like have magma spurt out due to the ferocity of their fight, and also had them end up in another dimension at one point. Then at the climax, we created the ideal conditions to see light-based attacks when Shenlong appeared, making the sky turn pitch black. I actually imagined including scenes of them fighting in space, and to make an homage to Broli disappearing into the sun by having them fight on the sun’s surface, or having them fight inside the Earth itself, but in the end there just wasn’t enough runtime! (laughs) Also, I made it my goal to show off Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan in the coolest way possible. I wanted to bestow it with the most befitting visuals and power. The transformation sequence was very carefully constructed as well, and I encourage you all to try imitating it yourselves!
>>146096267Well it is a better heat resistance feat than demonstrated by Dragon Ball characters, but only because Dragon Ball characters don't really engage with heat all that much.
>>146096281I think the reality shattering cosmic like sequence was cool enough. It might have been jarring to just have the environment shift so far too.
>>146094901Making a character that isn't a omnipotent God like being a planet buster is lame and I'm tired of pretending it isn't, I mean if you wanna say they can completely conquer a planet alone sure but destroying one? Dumb
>>146096284Kid Goku withstand a rocket engine to the face without nearly dying
The OUTERVERSALperor of Mankind? Solos your favorite verse
>>146096361Gaped by Mario.
The many Ws of CHADzilla
>>146096338Wouldn't the pressure at the rocket engines make it a bigger feat than surviving the photosphere of the sun?
>>146096361>The Emperor fought an armoured giant twice his height and breadth. Its skull was a vast, iron-helmed boulder with elephantine tusks and chisel-like teeth that gleamed dully. Its eyes were coal-red slits of such vicious intelligence that it stole Horus’s breath.>Horus had never seen its equal. No bestiary would include its description for fear of being ridiculed, no magos of the Mechanicum would accept such a specimen could exist.>Six clanking, mechanised limbs bolted through its flesh bore grinding, crackling, sawing, snapping, flame-belching weapons of murder. The Emperor’s armour was burning, the golden wreath now ashes around his neck.>40keks jerk off a guy who nearly jobbed to a generic Ork as being an all powerful god
>>146096383I wouldn't call nearly dying in the photosphere 'surviving' but okay
>>146096247This fight proves a viltrimite couldn't beat superman as being this close would power him up and being this close is killing Mark and thragg
>>146096380>Hulk GAPES Godzilla>Darkhold Iron ManBeats his gook knockoff >AMYes>GokuI don't give a fuck what wank you give him, Heisei jobs hard to Goku>BillYes, Ultima wins>Sonic.exeRED stomps that fucker>MCU ThorProbably >Gun DevilIt's a stalemate until Shin adapts>YoruGMK Godzilla wins but Yoru might get something
>>146096390He was just testing Horus btw, he would've killed the Ork right then and there if he really was in danger
>>146096380>Superman isn’t here even though Godzilla put him into a coma
>>146096410Superman can just sing really loud and weaken Nolan.Heck, even Kid Gohan did that in one of the DBZ movies. Mark would have the same problem in his MU.
>>146095034Lodestar
>>146096440>Mark when Kid Gohan whistles too loudly
Post YFW Giorno gets RAPED by Joker
>>146096377>Not even tier 1
>>146096180Spin?
>>146096478…. Poor Mark
>>146096429This makes Legendary Godzilla the strongest version of the character since he clearly surpasses outerversal limitless strength Superman all while in base form btw
Wishlists!!!>Ryuko Matoi vs Jotaro KujoNot much in the way of connections I'll admit but I fully believe if a fight is cool enough then it makes up for a lack of connections. Jotaro can take Ryuko pretty handedly as well which would make up for feeding him to Kenshiro>Iron Man vs Robot (Invincible)Getting to see all the Iron Man suits fight all the Robot suits would on its own make this fight for me. I think Robot is smarter and easily has the edge in force with his suits scaling to end series Invincible, his access to the reanimen, all this not even mentioning his access to multiverse portal technology that could teleport him inside Tony's suit. I'm not certain this ensures Robot wins however given Tony has plenty of tricks and can hack into systems written in alien coding languages.>Timmy Turner and Fairies vs Maxwell (Scribblenaughts)Juvenile wish masters who can alter reality on a whim. This one gets tricky because while Da Rulez exists its very inconsistent (IIRC) on if they are really binding or more like laws you can choose to ignore if you're craft or willing to face the consequences. If Timmy has some bullshit speed feat I'm sure he can take out Maxwell but Maxwell has much less redtape and a much stronger weapon.>Cain (WoD) vs StrahdVampire patriarchs of the classic TTRPG world. I don't think theres much Strahd can do here at all, Cain is basically a god whose level 10 powers are just "plot device" how do you even counter that?
>>146096338Oh that is a decent heat feat, probably about on par with the temps that Viltrumites are at their limit.
>>146095865Last thread the people going on about the empire fighting the IOM are huffing glitter. The empire could in a vacuum barely even survive 'itself.' The Galactic Empire was not a stable state. It -wants- to collapse, the rebelion was nature taking it's course as much as it was the vehicle of luke's defeating of palp. quality of life across the galaxy was getting worse and would continue to do so. Half of the Empire is only held in the nebulous order that it is by conscription for garrison forces. The Empire is only really held up through inertia and the lack of alternatives. The thing is little more then a pyramid scheme kept together by raw military power. The emperor had no succussion plans in old lore if he didn't life forever and Disney made operation cinder a thing in their version. And on a more more politic-philosohy-side of things, Star wars's writing across the many decades has never been at all keen on depicting the arch-fascist state of all mainstream fiction in anyway as redeemable. Imperials are never a beacon of competence, Their presence on a planet is with seldom exception shown for being a parasitic or a murderous affair.
>>146096383I don't know, what do you mean regarding the pressure?
>>146096511Because he's Tier 0.
>>146096708I would imagine surviving high temperature + high pressure is more formidable than surviving just high temperature
>>146096603There's a more fun fight for Cain
>>146096742The sun is pretty high pressure if you ask me
>>146096721...as in, his power level is 0.
>>146096247Why is he quipping in his thoughts?
>>146096412Is RED really that much stronger than Sonic.EXE? Cause depending on the version you are pulling from (presumably the original trilogy), EXE can actually just manifest in the real world and I think he exists as data on the net after the second story. That puts RED in a bit more precarious situation, right?
>>146096764Wikipedia gives the density of the photosphere as about 2×10−4 kg/m^3. That's about 1/6,000 of Earth's atmospheric density at the surface (1.2 kg/m^3).
>>146096776Oh the Viltrumites can't breathe in space, so they made telepathy tech to communicate.
>>146096775...and, for comparison, the second strongest character in fiction is -1.
>>146096478I like the conquest fights really makes mark fight in a feral rage
>>146096787Sunbros....we jobbed to Earthchads...
>>146096707Everything you said applies to the Imperium except even more so, the only thing holding the IoM together is the fact that everyone else in the galaxy wants humanity dead so they have no choice but to continue fighting for their corrupt dying empire.
>>146096586>this implies Titano solos the entire zillaverseGodzillasisters?! Why do we always job to literal APES?!?
>>146096440What if we do Mark vs Great Ape Kid Gohan? He's too stupid to whistle.
>>146096808I wouldn't worry. This is just surface level :D
Who's his match-up?
>>146096884Dr Gero.
>>146096884The Brain (Pinky & the Brain)
>>146096361We actually see GEOM's combat application of psychic power. it's enough to delay an invasion of the imperial palace (Himalayas) by chaos's psychic powers but not indefinitely. Horus plus Magnus are able to apply psychic pressures that overpower it.https://open.spotify.com/episode/55c6WjVJ1ruJ5yXse889zGI post that episode but really the whole Horus heresy series is about as solid of a primer as one can ask for and there's no goofy reekish rancid spunked wank involved in any of it. The Stuff about the geller fields and the emperor's webway project are probably the most impressive aspect of those 8 hours fat-wise for emps but there's a good analogy given that holding back the warp is more like holding back the crushing pressure of an ocean and that it's not literally the deadlifting the oceans.Also real talk these first 8 episode to of the lorecast gives as good of a read of what GEOM and the primarchs are able to do (and can't do) as anything short of actually reading warhammer novels irl. Highlight include Demon-form angron being disintegrated by an orbital cannon, Vulkan burning up in earth's atmosphere, Perturabo nearly being parasiticly soul sucked by a crystal that drains his soul. The imperials actually earnestly utting it out there that they make attempts to use Assassins because they could in theory kill Horus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-o53DPJ3Jg
>>146096361The fights would be boring if they just have him get stomped outside of the warp and then predictably stomp inside the warp
>>146096884Cortex
>magic power>demon realm gas>black magic wishes>all the leaks so far are trueGoku will get a temporary Demon realm SS4-like form, won't he?
>>146097176>hyper fixation on ear shapes and pointy ears>multiple Demon realm natives fixating on Goku's round ears>great ape form having pointy earsI guess Goku is going full Wukong again.
GODLORDEMPEROR'S Tri-beam would've EVISCERATED SS SHITdock.
>>146096194I’d want Joseph to fight Shikamaru, just to see them try to one-up each other in terms of how many steps ahead they are of the other’s plans, but I don’t think Death Battle’s smart enough to write that, so they’ll just have 1500x FTL Joseph throw an infinite mass punch at Shikamaru and atomize him out of existence.
>>146096478Holy fuark, Luke did THAT?
>>146094880Going to work sucks lads, good thing I get out at 1pm though on Sunday
>>146096478Holy FUARK, THAT'S what Mark DID to Luke?!?!?!
>>146097520Yes but Luke used FORCE DAMAGE REFLECTION resulting in the image you just saw
Why is this jobber so hyped up?>Jobbed to Vitiate at the first confrontation>got BETRAYED and TRAPPED by Malak>Jobbed again to Vitiate a second time>Jobbed to Vitiate's underlings>IGNORED by the emperor AGAIN as he resurrects and leaves Yavin 4.>Finally gets a pity win over Vitiate with the help of the Hero of Tython (who is basically The Chosen One and did all the thing Revan Should've done).Kekychooky!
>>146097565He's also a deadbat dad.
>>146095034Nikocado Avacado!!!
>>146097622Just like MY HEROES Goku and Superman...
>>146096380And he still gets one big fat L against Nikocado and the Ass Void!
Cado vs Godzilla in an eating contest
>>146097645Niko stomps.
>>146096884>toonfaggotryFuck off.
>>146095034The entire Green Lantern Corps.
>>146097645Cado would eat all of fiction
>>146095034Alien X portrayed by Jimmy Saville.
other villains >NOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T DIE!!GODpatine>Very Well, Then I must DIE!
>>146097670>I have come to prevent your transition.Why did they make Luke a chud?
>>146097657>even doe its funny for him to lose
Is the Death Battle Laundromat Outerversal?
>>146096884Mister Mind
>>146097639God bless and keep you, anon.
>>146095859>Superman was one tier belowNo he wasn't.
>>146097670>>146097692....*Sigh*...somehow palpatine is trans....
>>146095859People were wanking stuff above Goku/Superman even before Super.Hell, some of the wank (like Universe size scaling) was brought up by DBZfags to try to beat Supes only for it to make Capeshit even stronger.
>>146094880If Joker wins, i'm gonna be surprised, cause GER is so damn retarded, not even other broken stands can affect him
>>146098022The World Over Heaven stops him, tho
>>146097639>>146097887>RTH
>>146098045It would stop Joker too.
>>146098236Swanked Dio would solo all of SMT
>>146098236>It would stop Joker too- AIEEEEEE DURABILITY-BYPASSING PROJECTILES!? SPARE ME SMALL BUILDING-TIER-SAMA!
>>146096884Foo Fighters
>>146097670CHUDke...
>>146095576Robbie is superior to Sportacus he merely holds back out of laziness
>>146098374That may be but holding-back Robbie has those feats and Sportacus upscales from them.
Since Shadow's latest game gave him a ton of new abilities with the Doom Powers, do you think he beats Mewtwo or Vegeta now?
>>146098494>Mewtwoyes>Vegetalmao
>>146098045>The Stand that could reset the entire JoJo multiverse (something that’s confirmed to exist thanks to D4C, GER, and P7 and 8 in general since those’re different universes from the main P1-6 one) beat GER after an even clash>This is somehow a bad thing
>>146098494>MewtwoHow did he fucking lose in the first place?>BejitaIdk does he have hax to survive being one-shot and then one-shot him?
>>146098494Doom Powers don't really give him that much.The only real thing is that his psuedo super from from the final fight gives him a stronger form that doesn't get fucked by Spirit Fission or Trick/Knock-Off/any other moves that fucks with items
>>146098513>How did he fucking lose in the first place?They ruled that Mewtwo could just mind-control Shadow and that reading his mind would just let it counter everything he doesEven though Shadow has broken out of mind-control in his games before>does he have hax to survive being one-shotNothing newChaos Control should work since Vegeta was vulnerable to other time stops but Shadow had that in the first fight and DB still gave him a loss
>Goku: *braps*>Supes:
>>146098494>>146098539
>>146098546
>>146098539The Mind Control Black Doom tried to use was based on hivemind bullshit rather than traditional psychic powers like Mewtwo (or Prof X for instance).
>>146098539Shadow should outstat Mewtwo so hard that it becomes irrelevent.Pokemon is not a strong verse.
>>146098564And Shadow is part Black Arms alien so honestly that should IMO make it more effective on him not less...but yeah, that's the opposite of what the writers went with for some reasonAlthough I believe in the Archie comics it actually DID work that way, and Shadow was more vulnerable to mind control than anyone else, but he still broke through it after hearing Maria's voice
>>146098045who's stronger, Novel Kars or Heaven Ascension Dio?
>>146097920
>>146098597DOH jobbed to D4C and Novel Kars has super D4C. He literally looks at Stands and just gains them. He's the Apex JoJo character.
>>146098584eh, 50/50Being based on hivemind shit might mean Doom's mind control is actually weaker than a traditional psychic who just doesn't care about stuff like that.If you count Chronicles, Shadow is actually taken over by the psychic alien jellyfish, only Big, Cream, and Omega are treated as having a base immunity to mind control (Big is too stupid and Omega is a robot, not sure why Cream was immune).
>>146098623>Big gapes MewtwoBig match-up when?
>>146098631BIG the chad SWEEPS FICTION
>>146097176Technically Super Saiyan Demon already happened considering Shin's race, the Glind, are originally from the demon realm's second world.I'm still expecting Goku to return to monke.
>>146098631Who would he even fight? Yajirobe?
>>146098569pokemon verse actually has onscreen feats of blowing up planetsthe only onscreen feats any sonic character has is jumping on toy robots or spindashing into aliens that have statement-only scalings
>>146098743It's Pokemon you retard planets don't explodeNidoking snaps telephone poles and that's impressiveIt's building level at best, so is Sonic
>>146098774>Nidoking snaps telephone poles and that's impressiveWhy’re you using a D tier Pokemon to power scale the verse? Regigigas could move continents, Dialga and Palkia were capable of destroying and recreating the universe, Deoxys would’ve destroyed the planet by ramming into it, Necrozma ate all of the light in its home dimension, Groudon and Kyogre would’ve life wiped the planet, and so on.
>>146098743Eggman can destroy stars with a cannon
>>146098599KEK could imagine this guy having to explain this to everyone.
>>146098872>D tierWith a higher attack stat than some legendaries>Regigigas could move continentsFlavor text>Dialga and Palkia were capable of destroying and recreating the universeI highly doubt they could actually do that, they have too many anti-feats>Deoxys would’ve destroyed the planet by ramming into itNo, a meteor it was riding in maybe could've>Necrozma ate all of the light in its home dimensionAnd then jobs to a fox that children can catch outside their houses>Groudon and Kyogre would’ve life wiped the planet, and so onAHHHHH THE MUSIC CHANGED I'M GOING INSANEFace it, Pokemon scaling is ridiculous at best. If any of that were actually true the games would look very different.
Has anyone tried to create a battleboarding wiki without wank yet? I think there's an audience for people who want to go back to focusing on feats, reliable statements and consistent showings over outliers whenever possible.
>>146098926You would have to discount 90% of verses.
>>146098926The downplay wiki
>>146098926The amount of work that a "non wanked" Vs wiki would be monumental, you would need a whole team of people to even come close to the amount of articles and calcs that VSBW has
>>146098925>Calls Regigigas moving continents flavor text>After relying entirely on the Pokédex to say that the verse is fucking telephone pole level>When the same Pokédex has mountain busters and star level mons What? I don’t care about what you doubt, you’re blatantly wrong because D&P being capable of destroying the universe is why Galactic went after them in the first place. The anime directly states that they would’ve recreated the universe. I can’t tell if you’re purposefully being retarded or not, you’re not even giving any actual counter arguments. >a meteor it was riding in maybe could'veFirstly, who do you think was piloting the thing? Secondly, there was no “maybe could’ve” it was a blatant “it would’ve destroyed the planet”. Thirdly, Deoxys proceeded to box the mon that destroyed the meteor in the first place.
>>146098926Come up with an entirely new separate tiering system while you're at it.
>>146094880>Still no Doomguy vs Chief 2>Old video still has 2016 Doomguy in the fucking thumbnail
>>146097035Basically like the Thanos vs Darkseid fight then?
>>146098926>who want to go back to focusing on feats, reliable statements and consistent showings over outliers Like 99% of VS sites do exactly that, stop being an ape.
>>146098925Special atk exists.Pokedex entries are CANON and Magmar is 2,200 degrees at all times.
>>146098957>Yeah Dialga and Palkia are totally capable of remaking realityWIGGLYTUFF USED MOONBLAST>Mega Rayquaza? Planet levelWEAVILE USED ICE SHARDPokemon fundamentally does not work if these things are true. You should consider the idea that either the crazy delusional people were crazy or Pokemon does not take itself seriously enough for it to be scaled in any realistic measure.
>>146099001>Anti featsSorry bud, those don't count
I'VE FUCKING HAD IT WITH THIS WORLDI'M GONNA END IT ALLSLAKING, USE BULK UP AND THEN USE GIGA IMPACT ON THE PLANET, I'M KILLING EVERYONE (+1 Atk Slaking mogs Mega Rayquaza btw)
>>146099001>Because typing and game mechanics exist the god tier Pokemon aren’t actually god tierI’m starting to lean towards you being retarded. Also you know that Dialga is a steel type right.>Pokemon fundamentally does not work if these things are true.Okay then, take that up with Gamefreak since they’re the ones who made the statements and feats that you’re blatantly ignoring. Dialga and Palkia being universal is consistent in both the anime and games, everything I stated previously is something that’s built up from the games. Just because you don’t get turbo stomped by them in a battle doesn’t change that. Get that hole in your brain fixed.
>>146098926>90% of all settings instantly get moved to building to city level
>>146099027>statements and feats that you’re blatantly ignoringJust statements lolCities don't get evacuated when a Trapinch uses Sword Dance. That should be enough to blow up a planet, right?
>>146099024>the Pokemon Earth is obliterated by this
>>146099027>Because "god tier" Pokemon job to my mom's pet cat they can't blow up the planetexactly right
>>146095865This is a slaughter, not a fight
>>146099027>Just because you don’t get turbo stomped by them in a battle doesn’t change that>actual feats, not statements, blatantly prove those statements wrong>doesn't countDo Poketards really?
>>146099046You’re the only person here taking the game mechanics at face value. >Just statements lolWho do you think made the statements in the first place? I didn’t just pull them out of thin air. And the creation trio fucking up the planet just by being awaken is explicitly shown, same with Dialga and Palkia on the verge of resetting everything.
>>146099068What feats? You mean winning the battle? Because Groudon, Dialga, Palkia, and Kyogre all explicitly want you to win and stop their rampage, that’s consistent between the remakes and OG titles. You fight Deoxys with a Pokemon that’s above Kyogre and Groudon, and Necrozma smacks Sun and Moon’s legendaries silly.
>>146099074>You’re the only person here taking the game mechanics at face value.Why would we not take the silly cartoon animal game's gameplay (main feature) as its defining factorThese "universal" threats canonically job to like a level 52 InfernapeThat's canon, that happens in the gamesYour trainer beats them up
>>146099068>CANONical statement about the game is actually wrong Surely no one believes this?
>>146099098>Because Groudon, Dialga, Palkia, and Kyogre all explicitly want you to win and stop their rampage,lmfaosevere copeand when they fully submit to the will of a 10 year old they are unable to do anything else while I trade them away to someone for a haunter with an everstone
BRING ME POKEMON
>>146099132H-Holy fuark... gun-sama, no! You'll obliterate them!
>>146099098>stats don't change between "rampaging" and not rampagingI don't care how badly god wants me to beat him, he's outmatched by my Gyarados and I've benched him because he's not cute enough.
>>146099102Funnily enough, job is the correct word for once. Because they literally want to lose since they don’t want to destroy shit. But you’re not just ignoring this to make your point, are you?>>146099117Cope? You can literally play the games and see it for yourself.https://youtu.be/18Yzk_U3NNI?t=18&si=-dzmqR6_KX5BRlxFDialga is being forced to exert its power and wants to be stopped.G&K can’t even be reached without them literally letting you into their domain.
>>146099105>canonical statement disproven by canonical featsYeah seems believable.
>>146099154>he thinks Gyarados is cute Fish fuckers out. That include Laprasfags.
>>146099164>Dialga is out of controlThat's literally what it says in your video. He can't try and hold back or whatever you're implying the same fucking character says this.Your god is pet cat tier.
>>146099166>canonical feats DISproved by canonical statementlooks like
>>146098638Heroes kinda cooked for some of the concepts.
>>146099164>Because they literally want to loseDoesn't mean they're limiting themselves lmaoYour cartoon animal children's game isn't impressive and is nonsense, stop being so weird about it
>>146099186>Feats What actually, factually, is shown to happen.>statementsJust something some guy said.Every character who says they're unbeatable? Yep, they're unbeatable.
Will Joker use demon personas or only arsene and satanael?
>>146098926That's pretty much impossible. Most verses rely on scaling and don't typically spam destructive DBZ like feats. The whole purpose of a wiki is to have a quick reference point for a character's power and relying on feats will probably place 99% of the characters in street or building tier. "Reliable" statements are a problem because that's going to contradict the focus on feats. In a verse that never destroys a planet, how serious are you going to take a statement saying a character would destroy the planet? It also contradicts with the "consistent showings over outliers" even if the narrator is reliable. You're just going back to the same problem where characters are tiered far higher than their showings.
>>146099214DB is lazy so the animation will only feature Arsene, they will also have Giorno win so they will only factor in Arsene with no inherited null skills.
>>146099182And then it also says “it seems to be trusting you to stop it”. As in, it doesn’t want to rampage and wants to be taken down. That’s why I highlighted that part.>>146099193>stop being so weird about itThis is a minor spat and I’m just giving basic explanations about games that I haven’t played in years. It’s really not that big of a deal.
>>146096247So basically, Viltrumites either have two modes of speed and their raw reaction time isn't as impressive as is assigned, or Viltrumites have a super human heat absorption weakness.
>>146099234Oh, that was supposed to be a “consider the following”. Guess I saved it wrong.
I haven't watched Jojo or played persona
>>146099234>As in, it doesn’t want to rampage and wants to be taken downSo? He's out of control. What he wants doesn't reflect on his fighting ability.
>>146099234>This is a minor spat and I’m just giving basic explanations you're wanking a jobberverse and ignoring antifeats because you can't accept it's a jobberverse
>>146099205>statementsThe ultimate word of the author. A work's very prose from which it derives substance and meaning. >featsJust something you saw on a screen.The screen was shaking? It might've been faked? An illusion? Doesn't matter. Bigfoot is real.
>>146099244You are missing out on nothing.
>>146099254Glad we agree that Tyranitar is literally invulnerable then, and the strongest character in fiction.
>>146098975>still no doomfags with reading comprhension
>>146099229Reliable statements probably means clear concise language that isn't flowery vague nonsense
>>146099253>ignoring antifeatsThe same ones that happen alongside the feats that I’m describing? You can’t just pick and choose what you want to count. Basically everything I’ve named happens on screen save for Regi.>>146099249It does actually, because despite rampaging it still was only testing the trainer.
What TRICK can Joker pull off to escape GER?
>>146099294Phys Null, GER only sent Diavolo into a loop after he punched him physically
>>146099303Giorno doesn’t need to touch Joker to disable his powers. GER did that automatically and JJAGG even states that Diavolo had all of his powers RTZ’d.
>>146099289>seems to beRowan's headcanon, he's not even sure if it is>challenging you to a testWhy would this stop Dialga from using its full powerReminder that Dialga has no stat decreases or anything
>>146099278So if a narrator plainly states "this guy can crush universes" with no flowery language, clearly and concise, it would be reliable even with no universal feats or anything close?
>>146099229I think that we could at least aim for making things more consistent. Like I know it is reddit, but r/respectthreads tends to separate feats into low showings/anti-feats, standard, and high-end/outliers. If we tried to be more honest to how characters are presented in their narratives, then maybe the battleboarding community could just be less shit?
>>146099318Depends on the context of if they can do it casually or as something they have to put extraordinary effort into
>>146099317I don’t know how to tell you this, but that’s the game telling you, the assumed child playing, what’s going on. I worry for you if you couldn’t figure this out on your own.
>>146099289none of that happend on screen lol, those are statementsy'know what does happen on screen?dialga and other rampaging uncontrollable legendaries jobbingwhy are you picking and choosing that antifeats don't count?
>>146099325>it's true because... it just is, ok? the game would never have a character be wrong or mistakenYou couldn't even refute the rest, you couldn't even refute the PREMISE, with the ONE (1) cherry-picked source you provided
>>146099313Idk what JJAGG is but GER was unable to stop the blood splatter so Joker has >9 but less than <10 seconds to kill Giorno before he gets nulledSo it depends if he can outstat Giorno enough
>>146099319>but r/respectthreads tends to separate feats into low showings/anti-feats, standard, and high-end/outliers. II almost never see that in respect threads>If we tried to be more honest to how characters are presented in their narrativesYou can just say let's stick to the low showings. Writers obviously aren't going to make their powerhouse characters turn the earth inhospitable every single fight.
>>146099354JoJo A GoGo is a guidebook. In it it’s also stated that Diavolo’s time erasure is planetary.>GER was unable to stop the blood splatterNo it wasn’t, it just didn’t bother stopping it because the RTZ was already in progress. Even if Joker kills Giorno it’ll mean literally nothing because Stands can survive after death long enough for them to still use their abilities, so GER can just turn back the clock and bring Giorno back while negating the attack.
>>146099379Mm, sorry. I don't take silly guidebooks seriously.
>>146099379Do you have a pdf of the guidebook?
>>146099270
>>146099400>I don’t take official author statements that expand upon the capabilities of the characters they’ve written seriously…what? You can’t even play the “it contradicts the original story” angle because even the manga states that King Crimson erased time for the entire planet.>>146099419It’s on the wiki. No English version as far as I can tell so most of it is fan translatedhttps://jojowiki.com/JOJO_A-GO!GO!#StandsWikihttps://jojo.fandom.com/f/t/JOJO%20A-GO!GO!Translation
>>146099454>angle because even the manga states that King Crimson erased time for the entire planet.that's so fucking stupid tho and makes no sense
>>146099454>fan translated>not even a link to any of the actual fan stuffSo it's just a whole bunch of conjecture
Calling it now. The track name for Joker V's Giorno will be something like "Phantom Wind" maybe spelled in Italian.
>>146099486>Official manga describes how the power works>“No that’s dumb”>Guidebook describes how the power works>“No that’s dumb”So what, should it just not count?>>146099499Oh shit my bad. I thought I linked it properlyhttps://jojo.fandom.com/f/t/JOJO%20A-GO!GO!
>>146099360Okay but it is still a better format than VSBW is.
>>146099624https://jojo.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000078662NOW it should work
>>146099624idc about the powerscaling shit or saying it doesn't count or whatever but based on how the show works that's really dumb and pretty stupid
>>146099654Even the anime has him erasing everything, that’s why he’s standing in a void. The range of the erasure is consistent basically everywhere.
>>146099636Do you have GER's?
>>146099662yea its dumb>people all over the world getting into car crashes when we see diavolo spam that shit all the time for the most basic stuffits silly
>>146099662I agree. I think range is specifically referring to just how far the stand can manifest from the user in a punch ghost form rather than the effective range of the ability. Like yes it is capable of starting its ability, but it isn't like it can enact any lethal attacks beyond its range.
>>146099662>>146099696Who gives a shitDiavolo's range doesn't matter at all
>>146095873Your "hero" canoinically assaulted two children.
>>146099681Herehttps://jojo.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000074442
>>146095873Gold!>>146099735Mold...
>>146099578we already know what it isRequiem For A Thiefretards on the reddit are tinfoiling over literally fucking nothing when the only reason that's the title is because they already used A Fool's Requiem for the commission
ONE HOUR until the track is released. It’s Therewolf so I’m expecting the ending to give away the winner.
>>146100006I don't think it's coming out before the episode. It'd be up in AU/NZ by now and no one's posted it.
>>146100040Oh, thanks for the heads up
>>146098597if HAD starts with erasure right away then he wins but if not then novel Kars wins doesn't matter since novel DIO stomps both
>>146099662Aren't all time-related abilities in fiction universal in range unless stated otherwise?
>>146099831Your hero like to assault children..Seek help.
>>146095873K, b, c.
who won
>>146100208Me
>>146100128it feels quite random most of the time
>>146100210LETSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>146095034Captain Atom.
>>146100152You sound like a woketard
http://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2024/10/death-battle-predictions-joker-vs-giorno.html
>>146100642Oh boy, wank.11 Joker1 Giorno
>>146100642>blog gives Joker the sloppiest toppy alive>completely misinterprets and ignores Giorno’s answers to his attacks, the fact that GER outright works above fate and JJAGG, and other basic abilities and powers (completely glossed over soul copying, RTZ being a touchless ability, GER working in something that didn’t exist)Hey I’ve seen this before.
>>146100775They also invented the idea that the stand arrow that caused GER was special. I do not believe that is actually indicated anywhere in the narrative.
>>146100845Because it’s never stated anywhere. The arrow was just another one that was bummed off Enya like anyone else. Are they retarded?
>>146100642I can already tell this will not align a lot with DB's reasoning, Joker winning or not
>>146100642>here's how joker's infinite multiversal>followed by Dio's SPACE RIPPER STINGY EYES featlmaoAlso good to see that that one feat people used to claim Joker is actually several billion times FTL was included, I couldn't find it for the Joker's FTL wank vs Giorno's FTL wank
>>146100871Trick question. Did they just not read Part 4? I also don’t even think they went into how GER upscales from MIH.
>>146100845The arrow looks special because Araki wanted it to stand out. Requiem as a concept wasn't fleshed out until Part 5, so it's retarded to claim shit that exists in your Persona fueled delusion.
>>146100949What? No I just meant that shouldn't the stand arrows in general be able to cause Requiem stands? Cause Kira kinda has the same thing happen with his stand evolution.Regardless, Requiem type stands aren't really just drawing out hidden power from a basic stand and more bestowing a power based upon the desires of the individual.
>>146100998I was agreeing with your point, and showing that Personafags who wrote this article forgot that Requiem was a thing in Part 4, just not fleshed out, and was granted with a regular arrow. "Special arrow" shit is never suggested, it's like saying that Holy Corpse from Part 7 has an even specialer version.
I think the most kino ending is GER putting Joker into the infinite deathloop and then Joker just breaks through them and shoots GER to death with Sinful Shell
>>146101044Oh okay, I thought you were calling me a Persona fueled delusioned person. Apologies.
THE G1 BLOG AGREESJOKER WINSTHE RAGS STAY ON!!!!!!!!!
>>146100642Giorno bros...m-maybe itll be like Bardock vs Omniman...
>>146100895What do you mean?
>>146100871>Are they retarded?What do you think?
>>146101106They got pretty basic stuff wrong, ignored how GER upscales majorly from every other stand, didn’t mention how Superfly, a stand with similar reflection abilities to base GE, could reflect erasure attacks from The Hand, ignored how stands persist after death, and a whole bunch of other stuff. If Giorno wins it’s just going to look bad on them simply because they did like zero research for him. They also glossed over how Giorno can bypass specific requirements to use abilities when he copies soul based powers. Clone Jumbo didn’t need a Key to use Mr.President
>>146101106It won't, because beneath all autism, Omnimanfags can actually claim that their character is a strong and fast flying brick, while Bardock is mostly featless and relies on scaling. Giorno has both feats and statements putting him above nearly everyone, but Joker wins because SMT community has been infested with truly retarded powerscalers.
>>146101197>Giorno has both feats and statements putting him above nearly everyoneDoes GER even have a SECOND feat? He did literally one thing and that's the entire crux of his argument
>>146101242That one thing consists of reverting erased time from the entire planet. Putting something back that no longer existed is big.
>>146101253How do Stands that affect space-time even work anyway? Is there any confirmation of how big their area of effect is?Genuinely curious, because I never quite knew a good anwser for that
>>146101309The guidebook says that KC’s erasure range is the world, but the manga also says that he’s erasing time everywhere. Things like BTD, TW, and SP should also have planetary range, with the most obvious example being BTD since that’s Kira explicitly rewinding time for everyone by an hour.
>>146101253Yeah but that's a non fatal hax and not AP, he kinda needs to have something that can actually kill Joker
>>146101197I don’t get why “scaling” is so hated when it comes to Dragon Ball. Considering there is an objective metric to precisely measure each person’s strength in the form of power levels, and firm multipliers for each transformation, figuring out how strong someone is is pretty simple math.
>>146100642>G1 sided with Bardock>Omni-Man wins>G1 sides with JokerHmmmmmmmmmm…
>>146101386Mostly because it stopped being used after Namek with the last power level ever stated being Cooler's in a movie promotional pamphlet
>>146101400But all of Bardock’s scaling goes up to and including Namek, from his scaling to Goku, to the multiplier for SSJ
>>146101392Joker breaks the trend like the TRICKSTER he is!!!
>>146101364You can very easily scale GER’s ABILITY AP to KC’s erasure ABILITY, since ability strength is different from a stand’s physical strength. B.I.G’s physical strength was barely strong enough to destroy an airplane chair, but its ability strength was enough to consume half of a plane and sink entire ships.Killer Queen’s PHYSICAL strength was lower than Josuke’s and he couldn’t even really hurt CD, but its ABILITY strength was enough to one tap SP.What I’m getting at is that you can scale GER’s abilities AP to KC’s, and wouldn’t you know it, RTZ is an ability!
>>146101386Because in Bardock's case, it's not all that interesting. He has little in terms of fun techniques or tactics he can use, due to short screentime, and his power ranges from "10,000 because someone said so in the special", "star level due to power level and SSJ scaling" and "outversal giga beast because of schizophrenic non-canon content scaling".I honestly wouldn't mind if they scaled him to First Form Frieza and still gave Omniman his speed advantage (i don't know if his combat speed scales to his travel speed tho), but instead they flipped everything on it's head and gave both characters utterly retarded feats and explanations for another boring flying brick fight.
>>146101242no, all he did was fight a sub-planetary sub-street sub-wall level jobber. he's gonna lose there are NO feats lmao.
>>146101437>GER is PLANET levellmao
>>146101492>Proceeds to upscale from MiH (multiversal since it created a new world while pulling the other one to its end)I believe that this is what the kids call being, “Jokover”.>>146101520Would you like me to pull up the numerous claims stating that KC’s erasure is done on a planetary scale and how GER smacked that shit to the side?
>>146101197>Giorno has both feats and statements putting him above nearly everyone, but Joker wins because SMT community has been infested with truly retarded powerscalersPLANET LEVEL GER btw
>>146101165Wouldn't the Superfly thing be more of a point in favor of Joker's reflection? Stands also don't really scale much to each other in that fashion
So Giorno is going to fuck Kawakami just like Omniman's fucked Gine after killing Bardock?If Joker wins who will he fuck? Bruno? Narancia?
>>146101197>featsNigga GER was only on screen once barring EOH where it got btfo
>>146101790Trish
>>146101786Not really. Giorno doesn’t exactly have any erasure attacks that can be reflected, while Joker has plenty of instant death moves that can be.>Stands also don't really scale much to each other in that fashion…you mean the “if a stand with a similar ability as another stand can do something then that stand should also be able to do it” fashion? Something that’s been shown time and time again?
>>146101790>Joker scrolling through Giorno's contacts to fulfill his obligatory "cucking the loser" quota and finding nothing but a bunch of flamboyant men wearing strange clothing
DB tweeted this then deleted it... strange...
Anyone remember greasebeast? I wonder if he'll kill himself when Joker loses.
>>146102549haha i know I will!
>>146102179I can see it vividlyIs this a premonition of victory or a specter of defeat?
>>146102517source: my balls
>>146100275It's "woke" to not assault children?
>>146095025yep yep yep, im thinking massively faster than light
Any predictions of what the next match is? Think we'll be getting Eggman VS Bowser next or another?
>>146095847SKIBIDI TOILET VS CAMERAMEN!
>>146099951I always thought that would be the name for the track, long before the episode was announced.>>146102948Eggman vs Bowser. The last episode of the year will be The Grinch vs Jack Skellington.
>>146094880>literal who charactersno one will care
>>146102948Have a feeling it's going to be Kratos VS Asura next
>>146102948I think it'll be Bowser vs Eggman.Now that might be even more fucking annoying in the interim.
>>146102880Yes. Everyone knows that rightists love their kids.
Hope they don't drop the ball like they did with Omni-Man vs Bardock
>>146101197>SMT communityPersona community you mean
>>146101437Okay, that means nothing if the ability itself does no damage. Which it doesn't. It's only shown Anti Hax, meanwhile Joker has straight physical AP that killed a God fusing Earth with a realm made up of 8 billion concepts of Earth.
>>146103033Christ...the brainrot in that episode is gonna Omni-man vs Bardock look like a logical masterpiece.
>>146101165These mental gymnastics are crazy.>ignored how GER upscales majorly from every other standIt upscales from King Crimson's physicals>Superfly, a stand with similar reflection abilities to base GE, could reflect erasure attacks from The HandSuperfly is not GE. No, Stands with similar abilities do not have the same strength. Not every stand punches with the same strength. Not every stand who controls fire makes the same flames. Some Stands are straight better than others, this is known.>ignored how stands persist after deathUnless you destroy them?>They also glossed over how Giorno can bypass specific requirements to use abilities when he copies soul based powersHe can only make animals. He can't just grow a Joker head that copies his Personas.>>146101253But what does that MEAN? That's worthless.>>146101437>What I’m getting at is that you can scale GER’s abilities AP to KC’s, and wouldn’t you know it, RTZ is an ability!That's nonsense, and that ability has no offensive applications for it to matter anyway. Hermit Purple having continental ability AP doesn't mean someone who no-sold it can use their ability to destroy a continent.Giorno literally can't put Joker down because Joker just needs to have Phys Null up and Giorno can't do shit. RTZ is practically featless, it's all conjecture.
>>146103446>dragonBITCH still crying
>>146101546>>Would you like me to pull up the numerous claims stating that KC’s erasure is done on a planetary scale and how GER smacked that shit to the side?So what? Skipping forward in time 30 seconds doesn't scale to ap, durability or anything it's a hax. Doesn't matter on what scale it operates on.
>>146103500>DB says something stupid. Gets called stupid.>DRagONbITch still crying.Bro is Mindbroken
GER is such a stupid thing to battleboard with.Here's its feats:>ignored time hax>reverted time hax (took time to do this)>put someone in a time loopAnd then it has undefined for its stats.This thing is retarded to try and reason with, it's all just flowery statements that people try and extrapolate to mean it beats anything. This thing is the epitome of Dark Souls.
Hmmmm
>>146103444It means that GER’s ability potency is planetary. It’s really that simple. That’s more than enough for him to put Joker down with RTZ.>>146103489There are already direct statements that say GER is above the other stands in the series. It GOES BEYOND just scaling above P5 stuff. Unless you’re imply that SF is above base GE (lol), it’d still be an ability that GER can upscale from.
>>146103658Except RTZ only works on someone you kill with strikes, which GER doesn't have the AP for.
>>146103658No, it means his ability is planetary in range, at best. HOW would he put down Joker with RTZ btw?>There are already direct statements that say GER is above the other stands in the seriesEven if this statement is real it's meaningless. If GER really upscaled from every Stand ability in existence it wouldn't have waited in KC's time skip to kill it. It at least has an activation time.
>>146103535>dragonBITCH cries MOARAs expected of you.
I would like to remind everyone that the dude arguing for PLANET BUSTING GER also claimed that le 'single feat' GER has both feats and statements while Joker has only retarded powerscalers
>>146103658>vague statement scalingGoodie. Joker counters by being beyond infinity because of some Persona flavor text. Someone said there was a universal Persona, right? Yeah there we go.
>>146103658What's planet level hax potency mean? We know darn well GER RZ doesn't have planet level range otherwise the ending of part 6 would have never had happen with Giorno in Florida
>>146103715Nigga so mindbroken he think anyone who that DB was ass is a DragonBitch.Nigga thinks 70% of DeathBattle own fambase on dbwiki are DragonBitches
>>146103693Except RTZ activated immediately when Diavolo used his time skip, and the second GER gets a hit in he can negate someone’s abilities, powers, and stats to 0, making the whole “he doesn’t have the AP to kill” meaningless if Joker has a 0 in defense.>>146103711Except it didn’t wait? The power was already in motion.>>146103733Why would GER activate in response to MIH exactly? It wasn’t harming anyone, no one was in danger (well other than the people suddenly flying at 80 MPH). Even if you’re arguing that Giorno should’ve activated GER to stop the rewind, there’d be no reason to because it flubbed anyways. And besides that, KC’s range does explicitly reach the planet.
>>146103754>defensive babblingCry, dragonBITCH.
>>146103733NTA but for Part 6 GER could have also just reverted to GE. The Arrow melded into GE at the end and then was shown outside of it intact after the fight.
>>146102948It’ll be Invincible vs Luke Skywalker
>>146103785>It wasn’t harming anyone, no one was in dangerPeople were rapidly aging and breaking apart.
>>146103824Uh no, they weren’t. Living beings were not being impacted by the speed up. You’re thinking about the corpses, which were, you know, not living.
>>146103785>Except RTZ activated immediatelyIf it did, the bug would have never passed Diavolo and the blood splatter would have never touched Giorno.>and the second GER gets a hit in he can negate someone’s abilities, powers, and stats to 0This never happened. He also wouldn't get a hit in because phys null.>Except it didn’t wait? The power was already in motion.Then it sure does take a long time to get going.Anyway, we know that GER is finicky because it chose to not or was unable to stop the blood splatter. Joker uses a mindhax on GER and it does nothing while Giorno gets killed.
>>146103800Fair, it was in fact left ambiguous whether Giorno still is had GER at the end of part 5. So maybe he didn't have GER maybe GER can't do shit to non targeting City/planetary/universal scale hax like Bohemian Rhapsody/ made in Heaven etc. It's all debatable I'll admit.
>>146103869>It's all debatable I'll admit.Of course it will be debatable when you try and figure out the specifics of a character with 1 hard to define feat and like 10 pages total in its entire series
shouldn't all time based abilities by default be assumed to be universal unless stated otherwise?
>GER undid a planetary hax>nuPersona's hax were caused by a sub planetary featI don't see how Joker wins this really
>>146103850https://youtu.be/_jU9zJbwQF0?t=66Oh look a living being being affected.
>>146103912Dude, those were fake teeth. He literally says they’re implants, they weren’t living.
>>146103910The nuclear bomb was created by a sub wall level man.
>>146103910>GER undid a planetary hax*planetary in rangeGiorno was blooddiffed moments before this
>>146103910>Jojo hax come from a sub town level meteor
>>146103854The blood didn’t hit him. It activated the second Diavolo used his power, everything that he experienced was the “reality that he wouldn’t arrive at”. That’s why his forecast showed something that never happened, because everything that took place didn’t happen. He got snuffed the second he tried to use time skip.>This never happenedIt did. Diavolo had his everything set to 0. No will, no stand, no nothing. After he got his ass beat he lost it all. Also in regards to the whole upscaling from everything, official excerpt from JoJo a GoGo!-全てを無に帰す究極のスタンド!! Lボルナレフのレクイエムを破壊後、「矢」を手にしたジョルノが自身のゴールド・エクスペリエンスを買いて発現。「矢」のパワーは完全にジョルノのコントロール下にある。能力は攻撃をしてくる相手の動作や意志を全て無に帰してしまうこと。さらに既存のスタンドを超えるほどの攻撃力をもっているため、「究極のスタンド」といえる存在だ。レクイエムに殴られた者は死んだことも無に帰してしまい、何度も死に続けることに。そのため自分の予知を信じて攻撃したディアボロは、永遠に死を体験し続けることになってしまった。「矢」によって化したレクイエムの能力は、職存のスタンドと同じ物差しで比べるのは不可能。あらゆる意志や力をぜロにしてしまう厳力は、本体のジョルノでさえも気いていないのだ
>>146103888Not help that all of GER's Non-canon appearance only serve to make it seem weaker. Like losing to The world over heaven in eyes over heaven. Or losing to heavens door in Jorge Joestar. (because apparently turning Giorno into a book before he bring out his stand Incapacitates before GER even factors in. )
>>146103988At this point GER is basically just Black Zetsu "beating" Madara
>>146103975>Jojo characters die to bullets so do nuPersona charactersI don't see how I am wrong really
>>146103789Totally Mindbroken love to see it.
>>146103927>bombsthat's using the enviroment to make an explosivePersonas come from Nyx's powers inside people's mindStands come from the user's will or from arrowsThey cannot be compared to bombs
So when are we going to see an actual interesting JoJo fight?>Star Platinum is just a punch ghost with time stop>See above for The World, though I guess vampire abilities made things more interesting>Jonathan is just hamon>Gold Experience powers would be interesting to discuss but GER is the crux of the whole argument
>>146103585source: my ballsjust accept Joker will win, girls.
>>146104144They should have used Bruno instead of Giorno desu
Jojo is pretty broken.
>>146104173Bruno has like zero good MU’s.>But what about Satsuk-No.
>>146104144
>>146104144Joseph could be interesting if they actually have him rely on his wits. >>146104194Satsuki vs Bruno is shit.Satsuki vs Henry Cooldown is the shit.
>>146104243If they made it stealthy instead of head on it would be kino. Though the question is how they would even begin to fight each other if it wasn't a direct 1v1
>>146104243>Kira tells a random passerby his full name and address>Runs into a corner>Adachi asks that person if they’ve seen some dude with blonde hair run by>“KIRA QUEEN DAISUKI BAKUDAN: BITEO DUSTO!”
>>146103980>The blood didn’t hit him. It activated the second Diavolo used his power, everything that he experienced was the “reality that he wouldn’t arrive at”. That’s why his forecast showed something that never happened, because everything that took place didn’t happen. He got snuffed the second he tried to use time skip.Wrong. The blood specifically did hit him. If it didn't, it wouldn't have been rewound. Reread the chapter. Diavolo used Epitaph on Giorno and was able to dodge his moves, and this literally wasn't even rewound. When you see Diavolo later when he's already been haxes, he's at the point where he is able to recognize what he said, and it was immediately AFTER he read Giorno's movements. So that happened and was never rewound.>That’s why his forecast showed something that never happenedHis forecast shows what WOULD happen. GER admits this. The blood was not part of that forecast, mind you.>He got snuffed the second he tried to use time skip.He did not. If he did, the blood would have never landed.After some time in time skip, where he lands his blood on Giorno's face, he is rewound to a former point in time. He notices this but is unable to prevent himself from saying the same things.So, here's what we can gleam from their encounter:>Giorno was touched by blood>Epitaph read GER's movements and this was never undone>Diavolo then needed to be touched by GiornoAs for the "set to 0">It did. Diavolo had his everything set to 0. No will, no stand, no nothingAll that happened in the manga was he was made deathly afraid. It's unclear if he even lost his Stand or not. Or if he really lost any will. We know that he was unable to move in some deaths, but able to move in others. This is entirely just unclear.>excerptIt says "offensive power" exceeds that of any other Stand. Nothing about hax.
>>146104262I would imagine that it has Kira being forced to go to Inaba for his work, putting him on high edge. While walking back to the place he's staying at for the night, he catches a glimpse of Adachi throwing someone into a tv. Kira minds his own business, but Adachi doesn't take any chances and pushes into the tv, However Kira pulls him in.
So, feat wise, all GER has is baseline power null? Does Joker have any feats of ignoring a power null?
>>146104339It's not as noticed but GER does also improve the live giving ability by making it happen much faster and in greater numbers.
>>146104298Reread what I said. I’m saying that it DIDN’T happen because everything that “took place” never transpired due to GER. What Diavolo experienced and saw was the reality that never came to fruition, meaning that GER ended it before it even got close to happening.>the blood wasn’t part of the forecastYeah…and? He only sees the end point of the seconds most times, that’s what happened against Risotto.>As for the "set to 0"There’s also a guidebook statement that says GER reverted Diavolo’s powers and abilities to 0 as well, I’ll find it later. Speaking of the guidebook, read the last part. It says that the other stands can’t compare to GER, period. Even if you split hairs and say that it somehow only applies to stats for some reason, that’s still letting him scale above MIH.
>>146104361Oh, I meant that it was his main win con.
>>146101456I'd argue that Viltrumites have good combat speed/reaction time but not even close to being reflective of their travel speed. Either that or they have an insane heat weakness with how little time it took for them to get melted on the sun.
>>146104389>because everything that “took place” never transpired due to GERWrong. Diavolo reading Giorno and barely dodging the rock fragment took place. Reread the chapter, he is rewound to after that point.>Yeah…and? He only sees the end point of the seconds most times, that’s what happened against Risotto.That's not how King Crimson works. That wasn't a vision of blood hitting Giorno. That WAS blood hitting Giorno. Blood that leaves Diavolo's body is no longer considered Diavolo, and can then touch things in skipped time.>It says that the other stands can’t compare to GER, periodIt says that the abilities of Requiem cannot be compared with those of a normal Stand. What does this mean? It certainly doesn't mean that GER has the ability of every other Stand. It also doesn't mean that every ability alone is superior; it could be the combination. It also could be that no other Stand has the same ability as GER.Also>applies to stats for some reason, that’s still letting him scale above MIHAnon... surely you realize the problem with what you said, right? MIH didn't exist when the guidebook was made.
WHO CAN OVERCOME OVERBEARING GUILT AND STOP HIM!?
>>146104576Prime Mike Tyson?
It's wild that Smash Bracket put Solid Snake as comptetitive with Joker and his entire team, but Death Battle is attempting to make him this planetary hax thing. It is wild because have you seen how much wank he gives Fire Emblem and StarFox?
Thoughts on this Match up?
>>146104660>RinneganNot looking good for ThanosHow many Stones does he have? MCU or comics?
>>146104485>Diavolo reading Giorno and barely dodging the rock fragment took place. Yes, because they happened BEFORE he skipped time. I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying here. >Diavolo tries to skip time>GER says no fuck off and stops it before it even happens>Diavolo experiences the reality that would’ve should’ve could’ve transpired if not for GER>Everything “goes back to normal” because nothing changed and no one moved, since GER canceled the skipGER outright states that what Dia saw is “real”, but it’s something that he won’t achieve ever. He stopped the skip and what was seen was in the prediction is a real that will not and has not occurred.>That's not how King Crimson worksAgain, I think you’re confused with what I’m saying. I was talking about Epitaph’s prediction. Against Risotto, Doppio only saw part of his head disappearing, but he didn’t know HOW it was going to happen. Sometimes we’re shown the full prediction, other times we’re not. Again against Risotto, he sees him moving towards him in the prediction. What I’m saying is that “we didn’t see him throw blood in Epitaph” isn’t a good argument.>It says that the abilities of Requiem cannot be compared with those of a normal Stand. What does this meanI think it’s very clearly stating that GER is superior to the other stands in the series. I don’t think it’s supposed to be much of a confusing statement.>MIH didn't exist when the guidebook was made.I doubt that Araki wasn’t making the guidebook around the same time that he was working on P6, but you have a point, but the thing is it ultimately doesn’t matter because B.I.G achieves the exact same result since it has infinite in speed anyhow. Also the quote I’m thinking about comes from JoJoveller
>>146104683>He stopped the skip and what was seen was in the prediction is a real that will not and has not occurred.Wow holy fuck I stroked out thereHe stopped the skip and what was seen in the prediction is a reality that will not and has not occurred.
>>146095783At what? Getting ass raped? Yujiro stopped a fucking earthquake with a punch.
>>146095847They're going to have the Helldivers fight the Roughnecks from Starship Troopers, and the Troopers will win if they're led by Rico.
>>146104339>all GER has is baseline power null?It's unclear if even that's the case or if GER specifically just hard counters King Crimson since ever Stand Arrow amped Stand just has plot convient power ups>Kira got Time Reversal/Looping to undo killing Hayato when his power so far had been bombs>Silver Chariot Swaps People's souls to keep the Stand Arrow away from Diavolo when his powers so far was being fast and having a rapier (also a weird invisible light behind you)>GER undoes King Crimson erasing time when so far it's power was turning inanimate objects into living objects (and reflecting damage)So we can't 100% say that it's a power null or just plot convenient hard counter
>Leave Joker to me.
>>146104339Debatably Almighty attacks / Sinful Shell. There's also the argument of his reflect / null physical interacting with GER since it still relies on contact (would GER ignore it or would the effect of GER get flipped back on itself and Giorno)
>>146104683>Yes, because they happened BEFORE he skipped time. I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying here.AKA, GER was unable to or unwilling to prevent that from occuring.>GER outright states that what Dia saw is “real”He's talking about Diavolo punching Giorno in the chest. The blood splatter did happen until it was erased.Diavolo CAN "see" in the skip. He isn't entirely reliant on Epitaph. He didn't just see that he touched Giorno with his blood, he actually did.>What I’m saying is that “we didn’t see him throw blood in Epitaph” isn’t a good argument.But we saw him throw blood. The blood then rewound and came off of Giorno's face. I don't know how you can think that the blood never happened, when its very clearly portrayed as having happened.>I think it’s very clearly stating that GER is superior to the other stands in the seriesIn what way is it superior? And what proof do you have to support that explanation?>inb4 "what proof do you have to support that the blood actually touched Giorno"The fact we saw it happen and didn't just see a vision of it.>I doubt that Araki wasn’t making the guidebook around the same time that he was working on P6, but you have a point, but the thing is it ultimately doesn’t matter because B.I.G achieves the exact same result since it has infinite in speed anyhowOnce again, you have to prove that it refers to stats. The statement could very easily mean that his abilities are unlike any other, and he would win a straight battle against any other Stand User. Not to mention, BIG has no upper limit on speed. Being "superior" to that is meaningless, as GER very clearly does not have infinite speed. Diavolo dodged its attack.
>>146104793Is this the guy who got Blacked and went back in time to get blacked again?
>>146104676I assume anon means MCU because that's the one he usesAnd if it's as he was when he fought Tony, Strange, Peter and the Guardians he bodies because he had the Soul Stone and given that's Edo Madara he loses the moment his soul gets removed from the Edo. Plus Reality Stone so he could think he's genjutsu'ing Thanos but really it's just a rock he made think was Thanos.
>>146095847Tenno vs. Guardians>>146104793Weird little baby arms
>>146104632They didn't really. They just said that if not for the status effect immunity Snake theoretically could maybe find a way to tranq him to get the incap win.Even then, the speed and power gap were too much.>Fire Emblem and Star FoxThey just benefit a lot from the fact that they have simple ass direct feats that beat out a lot of series when they don't get weird cosmic bullshit wank (Grima being super large and general space sci-fi setting bloat for Star Fox).
>>146104796WOH was able to overwrite GER despite making contact, so if we take EOH as canon presumably if the contact never happens (via Phys Null) Joker should be fine.Also, can Joker status GER? Since it clearly needs to activate its ability, could he sleep/para/stun it and ignore it?
Can anyone possibly beat Eren Jaeger?
>>146104865>as canonAnd I mean canon as "those interactions would really work like thatl
>>146104872Like 80% of fiction does.
>>146104820Edo Madara should be way faster tho, Thanos needs to close his hand to do his stuff. If we use the argument that Thanos is genjutsu immune because he has no chakra or whatever then I still think Edo just can outspeed and rip his soul out or something. Thanos wasn't particularly fast in his fight against the Avengers.
>>146104872Anyone with a penis solos by fucking his wife
Sasuke is fucked if he fights Uryu. Antithesis was already broken, but Uryu can just rape him with overwhelming power. Kubo told anime team to go hard.
>>146104872
Were Hulk vs Doomsday and Ganon vs Bowser the only instances of Death Battle just straight up making shit up (Headcanon about Hulk's Regeneration and Ganon having a Killing Curse ability), like not overinflating or swanking feats or statements but just flat out making shit up with complete headcanon theories
>>146104872Can he mindhax people into titans via his Founding Titan or like rewind time until he wins or something? If not then like Senator Armstrong probably beats him lmao
>>146104920skbidi toilet solos the guy in this image
>>146104918Holy fuark... I can't believe Sasuke got reiatsu crushed from being in the mere PRESENCE of Chadyu...
>>146104905>Thanos uses Reality Stone to make Trick Room
>>146104922>Straight up making shit upThat's happened plenty>Android 18 have energy absorb>Dio Brando being able to somehow hypnotize a vampire centuries his senior that was able to come back from dividing by zero>Composite Broly having both Z and Super stuff simultaneously when they are entirely different charactersJust a few off the cuff
>>146104922Ryu vs Scorpion was pretty whack with the Scorpion in Hell NLF.
>>146104954I get it but he would need to close his hand to do that and Madara probably statues him
>>146104922Muh universal Chosen Undead who can auto revive in the exact same spot instantaneously
>>146104958>>146104979>Muh universal Chosen Undead who can auto revive in the exact same spot instantaneously>>Android 18 have energy absorb>>Composite Broly having both Z and Super stuff simultaneously when they are entirely different charactersThese are just completely insane to me.How the FUCK does anyone come to these conclusions?
>>146104964The idea that Ryu would survive long enough to require that, even then, was comical.
>>146104872Apparently even fucking Bayverse Prime beats him.
>>146104977First off Madara wouldn't have inherent knowledge of the gauntlet so if Thanos was taking it seriously he just need one closeSecond pretty sure you could scale Thanos above Thor and Hela who can have a fight while in the Bifrost which has shown to travel people FTL
>>146104922Ganondorf death curse is kind of them overthinking Ganondorf sending a parasite into the Deku Tree.
>>146104818Why would GER prevent his OWN attack from occurring? What? I am asking you genuinely here if you’re confused or if we’re just talking about two different things.>He didn't just see that he touched Giorno with his blood, he actually did.Dude. Everything that happened in Epitaph’s prediction, did not happen. Diavolo can see the entire 5-10 seconds where looking at his hair. He didn’t just see that Giorno was donuted, he would’ve seen everything, and none of it took place, because it was all negated BEFORE it could take place, which is why Diavolo “experienced” nothing but the reality that would never be. I seriously feel like we’re talking about two different things here.>I don't know how you can think that the blood never happenedAgain I feel like you don’t understand what I’m saying. TLDR; What Diavolo experienced was never going to happen/ didn’t actually happen because it was being negated. That’s why GER says that he’ll never occur at that reality. The blood that splattered onto Giorno never actually touched him because from the getgo KC was being canceled.>The statement could very easily mean that his abilities are unlike any other, and he would win a straight battle against any other Stand UserBased on what? The statement is clear as day. There isn’t exactly much room for interpretation here. It says plain as day that it’s superior to the other stands, I don’t know why you’re trying to pretend that it might mean he’s actually better at Mario Kart than the others.
>>146104958I found it kinda disappointing they didn't composite the three incarnations of 2003 Shredder together, it would have been funny to me, and actually kinda cool.>oh yeah Shredder is a demon god with an alien at the centre and is also possessing a cybernetic body because why not
>>146105038Bro I can't take FTL MCU Spiderman seriously.
COUNTDOWN TO JOKER ANNIHILATION
>>146105058>Why would GER prevent his OWN attack from occurring? What? I am asking you genuinely here if you’re confused or if we’re just talking about two different things....No, he didn't prevent Diavolo reading the future or dodging the attack.>Dude. Everything that happened in Epitaph’s prediction, did not happen. Diavolo can see the entire 5-10 seconds where looking at his hair. He didn’t just see that Giorno was donuted, he would’ve seen everything, and none of it took place, because it was all negated BEFORE it could take place, which is why Diavolo “experienced” nothing but the reality that would never be. I seriously feel like we’re talking about two different things here.That WASN'T Epitaph's prediction. Read the panels, he touched Giorno with his blood.>Again I feel like you don’t understand what I’m saying. TLDR; What Diavolo experienced was never going to happen/ didn’t actually happen because it was being negated. That’s why GER says that he’ll never occur at that reality. The blood that splattered onto Giorno never actually touched him because He's talking about KC killing Giorno. The blood that splattered DID touch him.>from the getgo KC was being canceled.It was not. If you were to actually see the scene, there is a clear difference in "reversing" and "not reversing". It was clearly only being returned to zero just before Diavolo was about to kill Giorno.>Based on what?The vagueness of the statement lmaoAre you just going to ignore every possibility I brought up for what the phase could mean, that you have not disproven? In detail, what does superior to other stands actually mean to you?
>>146105038He wouldn't but he's so much faster than Thanos he would probably just kill him with his first attack. Thanos won't immediately turn him into a rock either, like he does with every character he fights except the Guardians in that one scene.And no, FTL Thanos is most certainly not a thing. That's 1000x FTL Dio nonsense right there.
>>146104920>>146104941Nikocado solos both with The Ass Void!
>>146105038>FTL Thanos
What are Joker's feats and abilities?
>>146104958if he doesn't resist it then he doesn't resist it
>>146105130Why would he prevent either of these things? Why would he need to? Neither of them are deathly dangerous events.>That WASN'T Epitaph's prediction.Oh my God I know I’m saying that nothing that Epitaph saw didn’t happen, just like how the events Diavolo thought were transpiring didn’t occur.>He's talking about KC killing GiornoNo, he’s talking in general. Nothing that he believes occurred took place. That’s why he would never reach that reality.>It was clearly only being returned to zero just before Please. I am begging you to read what is actually being said in my posts. I am not saying that the blood didn’t touch Giorno, I’m saying that the entirety of what occurred was never going to actually impact Giorno because it was a reality that was not. It was something that did not. It was canceled. Null’d, if you will.>Are you just going to ignore every possibility I brought up for what the phase could meanYes because it’s a silly assumption to think that it means anything other than what’s being plainly stated. Why would I need to disprove it? You’re dancing around the fact that it says that GER surpasses the other stands in general and that none can compare to its power.
>>146105238his anus resisted the 3 dick style for 1 minute
>>146105238Don't listen to anyone tell you he's multiversal. He's building tier with a lot of hax.
>>146105107JOKERS ANNIHILATION OF GIORNO?! HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
>>146105254*nothing that Epitah saw happened
I kinda want Death Battle to say both are building level and not even supersonic, but have a wide variety of abilities and do the comparison there
>>146104820>that's Edo Madara he loses the moment his soul gets removed from the EdoIf Aizen didn't do it neither will Thanos. Just Death Battle things.
>>146104865>if the contact never happens (via Phys Null) Joker should be fine.That's not how it should work. if anything, EOH should get Pierce Physical.
>>146105254>Why would he prevent either of these things? Why would he need to? Neither of them are deathly dangerous events.Neither was a bug flying or Mista shooting and hitting nothing. He never had to rewind Diavolo to where he did, but he did.>Oh my God I know I’m saying that nothing that Epitaph saw didn’t happen, just like how the events Diavolo thought were transpiring didn’t occur.They DID happen. GER was NOT talking about the entire time skip. He was talking about KC killing Giorno. THAT'S the reality he would never reach. What's the point of letting Diavolo splatter blood around if he was never going to reach that reality?>No, he’s talking in general. Nothing that he believes occurred took place.See my above statement. There is no proof that confirms that, and instead proof to the contrary.> I’m saying that the entirety of what occurred was never going to actually impact Giorno because it was a reality that was notAnd I'm saying that you're wrong.>Yes because it’s a silly assumption to think that it means anything other than what’s being plainly stated. Why would I need to disprove it? You’re dancing around the fact that it says that GER surpasses the other stands in general and that none can compare to its power.You're forgetting multiple things.What IS being plainly stated? HOW is that being plainly stated? WHY would the definitions I provided not fit? By the definition of the words that make up that statement, every single one I provided fits.>You’re dancing around the fact that it says that GER surpasses the other stands in general and that none can compare to its power.It does not actually say that. That's what you think it says. Refer to prior posts.
>>146105238while in the Metaverse, He is like a green latern that uses stands instead of constructsOutside of it, He is fodder
>>146105327Why?It seems to me that if contact never occurs via Null Phys, no nullification could possibly happen. This is also ignoring something like Tetrakarn reflecting Giorno's damage, or even Reflect Phys.And what does Eyes of Heaven getting Pierce Physical even mean??? Joker's not fighting a video game.
>>146104918Sasuke is fighting that literally who?
>>146104660Thanos does with a single power stone what Madara does with his eye, without needing to sacrifice it. What an utter and massive stomp.
>>146105312There's a (literal) world of difference in power between Aizen and one of the Stones.Also Aizen was fighting Alive Six Paths Madara, not Edo
>>146105366>if contact never occurs via Null PhysNull phys does not mean that contact never occurs. It simply means that skills that have a Phys affinity have their damage and effects nullified according to the turn (action). Missing and getting your attack null/absorbed/repelled make you lose your actions. however if the skill starts with an effect first then an attack, then only the attack gets nullified/etc. the effects goes through and no turns are lost.On affinities, They can be reduced. Flynn has an almighty attack that reduces a random resistence, the gacha has a lot of demons that lower resistences too down to negative (weak). so Giorno should be able to reduce Joker's resistances to 0 (neutral.)
I can’t wait for them to have Giorno win, and then downplay all of his hax and just go>Giorno has infinite speed, strength, and durability because his stand stats go off the charts!
>>146105535Aizen solos the MCUHe comes from a verse where death and life did not exist until they were forcefully separated in a system that includes three dimensionsHe threathens life and death by just existing. He may even get away with making Comic Thanos give away the Comic Gauntlet.
>>146105617>if the skill starts with an effect first then an attackSo where's your proof GER starts with an effect and then an attack? From how he works it seems to be the other way around.Also>characters in series can reduce resistances so that means a character in another series has the means to do soOther than the poorly defined nature of his ability, Giorno doesn't have much to prove he can do this. I'll concede that it definitely seems like it could happen, however.Also, what if he uses Phys Repel? Would the effects get repelled or just the damage? Not to mention, Auto-Tetrakarn is a thing iirc. That's specifically a barrier so no contact will be made.And how would the Insta-Heal interaction work? I'd assume that RTZ is a "status ailment" but it would prevent Insta-Heal from curing it by nullifying passives, right?
Weebs, as always, are fucking PATHETIC.
>>146104872>>146104903Isn't Eren Jaeger busted? Like doesn't he have timeline mind hax where he can corrupt and force you to do something at any point in time? That's how his whole AoT plan came to be. If that's wanked he probably could solo 80% of fiction by forcing them to not reach their full potential as teens or something.
>>146105796>Eren has budget AlmightyHoly fuarkaroony...
Here's something I noticed from the SMT wiki.>Insta-Heal also allows the user to instantly recover from otherwise non-curable special ailments, such as being painted, turned into a mouse, Lustful, Wrathful and Envious.>When a character is inflicted with Mouse, their model is replaced with their mouse form. Combatants inflicted with Mouse cannot act and will take more damage, although Passive Skills and traits still function as usual.Is this a feat for Passive Skills ignoring Power Neg considering how the metaverse functions? If so, I think Joker might just shake off RTZ.
>>146105796>Like doesn't he have timeline mind hax where he can corrupt and force you to do something at any point in time?No? The whole point of the story was that Eren was never free and anyone with the Attack Titan power was subjected to a closed time loop. He never did shit because every one of his choices had already occured.
>>146104958>>146105012With Broly They said they were compositing the character. It with Android 18.They were using abilities from some of the dragon ball games.While I agree it's stupid that's not just making it up out thin air.
HEE HOLETS GOJOKERS GONNA GO1-0
>>146105361I dunno about that. Aren't the physical feats like him jumping builds and the grappling hook stuff all him? He does go and get /fit/ throughout the story
>>146105865>Giorno proceeds to turn Insta-Heals capabilities to 0Your response?
AnimeGODS, as always, are fucking CHADS.
>>146105244So same applies to Dio then. Either way its pure headcanon bs with too much logic against Dio using that avenue based on other feats, willpower, and just operating on basic vampirism rules
>>146105769>So where's your proof GER starts with an effect and then an attack? From how he works it seems to be the other way around.that's the death loopGER nullified KC during the resolving of KC's effects. No one but Diavolo should be able to take an actionWOH iirc explicity uses his punches to alter reality. I see it as altering the nullification powers of GER. So I guess GER cannot alter other altering reality powers. King Crimson doesn't alter shit. It just give Diavolo a free life.Didn't this DIO get his hands chopped by a DC4's assist anyway?
>>146105941Batman is fodder in these halls
>"Billy Alfred. Unfair Negator from Undead Unluck">"Yuta Okkotsu! Sorcerer bound by love from Jujutsu Kaisen!">"That's right folks! Today we have a battle of copycats!">"These two are willing to steal, corrupt themselves, and become monsters for the sake of their loved ones. Who will win this battle of wills?">"He's Wiz and I'm Boomstick!">AND it's our job to analyze their weapons armor and skills to find out who would win a Death Battle!"
>parrotingPATHETIC
>despite the overwhelming stat advantage and bunch of crazy shit Joker has this fight is still somehow debatedBravo Araki
>>146105666Aizen can't do shit to Dormammu, and he became a jobber to a single time stone.
>>146105865There are three types of skills in SMT (similar to yugioh effects desu)Active, Passives and Chain Effects.>Is this a feat for Passive Skills ignoring Power NegIn Persona? Yes. But if you wank persona to SMT then no because Passive Skills can get Power Neg by other skills that can reduce their capabilities. And It's legit as there are skills (gacha) that help prevent Power Neg... that or this shit is high dimensional. lol
>>146106094>Araki suddenly deciding to give his characters hax builds and universe resets after four parts of punchy ghosts
>CHADrrotingBASED
>>146106177Gotta keep things bizarre
>>146106177Two parts. Giorno was Part 5 and Stands started in Part 3
>>146106107>Aizen can't do shit to DormammuHe shits on MCU Dormammu. Aizen killed a being of reason that cannot be destroyed by reiatsu.>But Dormammu lives in a dimensionSo do Souls in Bleach (Soul Society, matter cannot enter it) and Aizen resides in Muken (an infinite prison).Yamamoto was power was said to endanger Soul Society and Muken. It would be a joke to find Aizen would be endangered.
>>146106265I’m counting P1 and 2 since they technically had stands but you’re right *punchy men>>146106191True. That’s why trees have stands now.
>>146105504Ben would totally jump on a chance to send Sasuke to the oxygen club
>Sauce vs Bejita>Sauce vs Uryu>Sauce vs Riku he will join KWABku in the biggest loser club
>>146106352Do people actually want to see Sauce fight Bejita? Didn't Jiraiya vs Roshi establish the pecking order?
>>146106140>then no because Passive Skills can get Power Neg by other skills that can reduce their capabilitiesOther than the dubiousness of conflating SMT and Persona when they have different mechanics across different games, I feel that it should at least be baseline Power Neg resist for Passive Skills, right?
>>146106352>Sasuke Vs Riku>Sasuke vs Bejita At that point you’re just bullying the poor edgelord. At least let him fight like, someone from HxH
>>146105867>No? The whole point of the story was that Eren was never free and anyone with the Attack Titan power was subjected to a closed time loop. He never did shit because every one of his choices had already occured.Eren literally made his own mother get killed along with other things. He confirmed it.
>>146106021>GER nullified KC during the resolving of KC's effects. No one but Diavolo should be able to take an actionThat's good power neg and some sort of acasuality/time/mindhax res depending on how you want to put it but that was a seperate action from the death loop, which GER made contact with him first.Also, WOH needs to make contact so he punched GER and overwrote RTZ before it activated.And yeah, WOH is a jobber who lost to a durability bypassing attack that he punched DIRECTLY it was hilarious.
>>146106441Sauce vs Kurapika is pretty thematic
Sasuke is Bruno's match-up, duh.
>G1 all in on JokerThey’re going to lose to Otto again aren’t they?
>>146106495I thought that loss was so demoralizing they'd give up, good to see them take another whack at it
>>146106454Yeah that was predetermined. Eren as a child literally saw his mother get killed and at the same time was the one who did it. Attack Titan users are in a closed time loop, that's what made Eren such an ironic character talking about freedom this freedom that. He was never free, every thing he did was preordained, that was his realization when he touched Historia's hand and when he went to Marley for the first time, he broke down because he realized he could not change shit.
>>146106530How does this work in the context of a crossover fight
>>146106494Can we PLEASE get Bruno into the “no good MU’s” club. He needs therapy alongside Gohan and Cell.
>>146106543He knows the outcome of the match but can't change it lol so functionally there's no change
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>>146106388I dunno. These Skills are useless outside the Metaverse.Perhaps It just transform their bodies in such a state they cannot think like humans unlike from Polnareff in Part 5 (His soul was swapped to a turtle and he still could think and communicate) or Vegito's candy formResisting Power Neg would be like that time Yhwach was power neg'd by Ichibei
>>146106605>Perhaps It just transform their bodies in such a state they cannot think like humansNope, Mouse leaves their minds in tact. It's body only, and restricts Persona usage, but it gets ignored and shaken off via Insta-Heal
Joker wins this whole thread is POINTLESS
>>146096082andy from toy story?
>>146100210based
