Was it a good outcome or was someone robbed?
>>146130048I think it was a good outcome but the fight itself felt narratively blad like they should have explored the whole "Giorno's heart is twisted" at least a little so Joker winning feel more climatic
>>146129971Who would Swan want to fight EOH Dio, anyways? What's the plan?
Happy Spooktober, everyone. Here's today's costume>>146123444>>146121000As always, the rules are simple, respond directly to the anchor post (i.e., this) with a costume request, and if you get trips/quads, you'll be featured for the next day. If multiple people land trips, that's fine, and if there's no trips/quads for the day, dubs can also get it. The selections only run till midnight (EST) of that day, so if you go over that, it's doneso. You'll need to reply to the next day's post to roll again. Also, do not make multiple requests in a single post. They must be separate posts for equal chances of rolls.Also, if you want to see the previous costumes and pieces by Art Anon, here's the mega https://mega.nz/folder/EcxVUI4a#60R6sJ_zsyuIwK_OHLNz0A
>>146130153Giorno and his stand doing Joker's laundry.
OH NO!HE'S NOT GONNA GO3 - 0
>>146130048Persona Q2 is somehow canon in spite of not having any impact on the timeline to any great extent. It is because of this that people invoke its version of the Omnipotent Orb, which has the flavor text describing it as being able to control the laws of the universe and then combining this with its in game effect of blocking all damage types except Almighty in order to define Almighty damage as above something that is above the laws of the universe. In this manner, unless something is two rungs above the laws of the universe, then nothing can prevent Almighty damage.This argument is aggravating of course since there are Almighty attacks at the lower levels that do not do enough raw damage to have an effect on a sufficiently leveled character or tough enemy. If it is unblockable damage, then why does it get reduced at all?Additionally, Death Battle did the thing where they equalized ability scale with both destructive capability and durability. Because Yaldobaoth could merge the realms, then Yaldobaoth could attack and withstand attacks with the power to destroy the universe. Joker and co defeated Yaldobaoth, so they are more powerful.This is faulty reasoning of course, but that's what you get in postB10vsGL Death Battle.
>>146129122 #I don't think so, Eggman hardly ever uses subterfuge (Knuckles, Amy hostage gambit, Unleashed, Trip, and thats it?) and usually loses to just raw straightforward assaults. Bowser on the other hand starts most of his schemes with subterfuge and does false alliances about as often as Ganondorf. In a tag game though, Eggman and Bowser would be the final boss together and probably wouldn't betray one another until things started falling apart.
>>146130153Joker raping Trish
>>146130153Joker from Batman dressed as Joker raping Trish.
>>146130153Alice (Black Souls) vs Alice (Touhou Project) vs Alice (Shin Megami Tensei) vs Alice (American McGee's Alice)
>>146130404imagine the daisy chain
>>146130253wouldn't RTZ also count as something above the laws of the universe?
>a day has passed>only 700k viewsDeath Battle has fallen.>>146130153Devilman
>>146130404this but instead of fighting they all kiss each other and I have sex with the winner
>>146130451GER losing is supposed to be like an Alien X losing tier upset too, lol
I really liked the episode. But all my friends told me giorno would win. They hadnt played persona which i find funny as they had only seen jojo which is why they wanted giorno to win. Also im still rather confused as to how giant gun couldnt be returned to sender.
>>146130153Gabe newell
>>146130488Because it just ignored it because it killed a being with an even more bullshit powerset
>>146130451Literal whos to normies. This is a battleboard matchup, and I always knew it would underperform.
>>146130429Yes, but it isn't above above the laws of the universe, so it gets beat by Almighty damage because Almighty damage beats something above the laws of the universe.
>>146130153Ripper Roo
>>146130569>Literal whos to normies.If P5 is literal who territory, the rest of the season is fucked.
>>146130048Giorno lost so the entirety of future death battle can be mogged. You don't understand. The usage of an AU of the original character as an antifeat to put limits effectively makes non-canon jobs to job in future death battles ""canonically"" (as per the rules of Death Battle). Sasuga, Swan-Sama. He ensured that by sacrificing Giorno as Bruno did, JoJo never loses a matchup ever again, and powerscalers get nuked in their asses by non-canon. I get it now. This is truly, justice. This is Requiem.
>>146130624Giorno sacrificed himself so that we can get really funny results in the future
>>146130624>>146130639All sources given life by Gold Experience desire to produce fun results. We really never took the time to understand his Gold Experience.
>>146130571Except when it doesn't.
>Character A won because....experience Is there a bigger copout?
>>146130709It makes sense, specially if they are really close in stats and. Either has a special ability that gives them the edge A war veteran will steamroll a Japanese highschool student any day of the week
if non canon material is allowed does that mean the superman issue covers are fair game
>>146130771It only go so far, pal.
This episode was a 8.5/10 for me.Omniman vs Bardock was a 6.5/10
>>146130781Sure, Experience alone shouldn't win a fight, but it is something that can break a stalemate in a very close MU
Fools, the lot of you. This "taking anti-feats from noncanon material" will not be the norm from now on. It will only be used when they feel like it.
>>146130088That girl from Tohou who Swank doesn’t like because she beats Dio.
People here think giorno getting negged by made in heaven is an anti feat?
>>146130805That's all their rules, really.
>>146130805Composites don't exist and they use em anyway.
>>146130805You're reading into this wrong. They aren't acclimating people to non-canon anti-feats. They are acclimating them to Eyes over Heaven specifically.This isn't even the first time they brought it up even though actual fans of JoJo take it even less seriously than Jorge Joestar. It's all set up.
>>146130805I see we’re in the denial phase of coping.
Made in heaven is a multiversal level opponent. If anything giorno being able to even swing at him boosts his stats greatly.
>>146130859They basically said just that in the episode.Don't be a dumb faggot and follow up your statement with "But it's the only way GER becomes faggotversal! Without it he's no match for Joker!" Bitch if you went back in time and raped Joker in prison his present self wouldn't be able to do a thing about it but cry at the new memory.
>>146130859It is in this context, it means you can't bank on no limits fallacy which is essentially the only reason people hype up GER over other end game Jojo stands.
Reminder that death battle’s editor has been scamming people by taking their money and blocking them.
>>146130857fight is too one sided for DIO and is pretty shit thematically, Infinity Ultron from What If would fit more
>>146130884>"But it's the only way GER becomes faggotversal! Without it he's no match for Joker!"How is this wrong?
>>146130899Based
>>146130903Keep reading dumbass. >Maruki changes Joker's history so that he never went to jail.Your retarded self: "That makes sense. Joker wouldn't be able to just cast megidoladyne and undo that.">GER changes Joker's history so that he never pulled the triggerYour retarded self: "No see he would shoot a bullet at it and make the time change go away."
>>146130927Troon child-grabbing hands typed this post.
>>146130048This was the first DB I watched in which I was actually very knowledgeable about the source material. The research these people did for SMT is laughable. Generalizing damage types and taking attack names literally (Nuclear damage type means that they are casually creating explosions with the power of an atomic bomb!!! Ice Age as a skill literally creates an ice age!!!) is unbelievably stupid and does not hold up to any form of scrutiny because it would mean that using any kind of spell on that level should instantly wipe out every enemy shadow in the palace instead of just the ones confined to the current random battle. The attempt to justify almighty (the damage type) as 'unstoppable extremely powerful and can rewrite the laws of the universe' is retarded as well since a ton of low level demons/shadows can use almighty element attacks as well AND there are canon abilities that can reflect almighty (I don't think Persona has them in any of the base games but since they are reaching through to fucking IF to pretend that the SMT games are all in a shared universe, any instance of canon reflect almighty ought to count).Putting Lucifer on the same level (or even the same order of magnitude) as GER is stupid as well. In game he is very powerful but never shown to be above causality or doing any genuine reality warping. I don't even like JoJo past part 2 but they did GER dirty. You need straight up 'fuck the rules of the universe' overpowered bullshit to stand a chance. It is the highest form of overpowerd bullshit and only actual Toon-Force masters like Bugs Bunny/Popeye or characters designed to win and be unbeatable to the most contrived, overpowered shit the author could imagine (Vampire Hunter D, TTGL) should be able to stand a chance.Joker is MAYBE planet level and even that is pushing it. He definitely jobs to Demifiend.
>would mog joker and giorno working together
>>146130937You're arguing with an IQ 75 Death Battle researcher. Most possibly Lousy.
>>146130153skibidi toilet
>>146130970Joker? Yes. Negged by Giorno. See >>146130969
>>146130899He's also a sick fuck that wants to put little kids on hormone blockers because it makes his mod hard.
>>146130153skibidi toilet again
>>146130969>planet level jokerThats the most dumb lowball statement ive ever heard for his power before.
>>146130969In a lot of cases you want to use elemental spells over almighty because while nothing blocks it, nothing is weak to it either. It's not the "reality nuke" element, it's the "colorless" element.I am 98% sure no one on the team has played the games outside P5 and maybe maybe Nocturne.>DemiNo need to bring him out. The DS kids would slap the shit out of the Phantom Thieves.>>146130899I miss my money, but more than that I miss thinking that Max was a decent person.
>>146130951You should stop grabbing children.
>>146130969>there are canon abilities that can reflect almightySo? The characters who have them are that fucking strong.you mad cuz they didn't believe your "muh NLF GER that can almost beat popeye" lmao
>>146130989Sorry im not retarded enough to think giorno would even be fast enough to realize he was dead facing almost any high tier smt/persona character
I don't see why being above the laws of the universe would make almighty damage resistant to causality negation, wouldn't it only surpass things such as barriers and defence of that level, or more specific abilities like infinite distance? Being able to hit something with null all is different from just being made to not happen in the first place
>>146130998Joker simply lacks the ability to go beyond the scale of a planet. His ultimate persona (and remember, Persona =/= actual demons. The actual Metatron is more powerful than protag's Metatron Persona) is just a really powerful angel. The maximum destructive power from single moves in SMT outside of actual superbosses, is shit like Morning Star which can be compared to a biblical smiting a la Sodom and Gomorrah. You understand that actual human heroes like Masakado or Yoshitsune are top tier Persona/Demons right? Joker could not wipe out all life on the planet let alone destroy the planet itself. He has no real durability/defensive prowess other than healing spells and reflect spells and has no way to deal with time travel or retarded reality warping like 'your blood is now acid'. This is also being extremely generous by assuming that he is able to do shit outside of the metaverse to the same degree as inside it (which is retarded but necessary to make him even worth considering in MU discussions). He cannot materialize palaces at will and can only even interact with targets that the narrative decides are appropriate for him to do so. How the fuck do you think that translates to planet buster?
>>146130998It's a true statement that you come to if you actually play the games like "YHWH is sub-planet.">>146131059>They're just that strong!My dude, my earnest brother in Christ, Dubhe had null almighty and ate shit to a teenager driving a car into him. You have got to play these games instead of just reading vsbw.I'm not even going to tell you how Balder went down in DS 1. Look that one up yourself.>>146131088Reminder that Speedy had Phoenix job to time manipulation despite her being figuratively and literally above the laws of the universe. As in the abstracts metaphysically see her on a higher plane.
>>146131124My fellow actually-plays-the-games chad!You know something I personally hate about megaten in vs battles? They never assume characters get pierce. All sorts of demons have pierce and all sorts of weapons have it too. But like, if the Hulk came into Persona and punched Joker full force, they'd think null phys would catch it and that no amount of physical power equals having pierce.
You niggas sound like a tylearned debunk video I get it. Every verse that db scales is far weaker than you think. Shut up.
>>146131180>Weaker than they areFTFYTake the time to engage with media instead of skimming through wiki summaries. It's far more rewarding, I promise you.
>>146131059>The characters who have them are that fucking strongNot really. There are spells which function like Makarakarn except they also repel almighty and those show up on mid level demons. Even if I were to accept your [verifiably incorrect] premise that only strong demons can reflect almighty, by even acknowledging that Almighty is not some reality rewriting unstoppable element that no defense can stop, you have conceded that it was misinterpreted in DB.>>146131050You are generally right but almighty is really potent in certain situations (Holy Dance in Devil Survivor) and endgame bosses usually don't have weaknesses anyway. I think the real reason almighty is put on such a pedestal is because (1) it is a huge pain in the ass to deal with when bosses use it AGAINST the party since player character HP pools are usually low enough that doing 150 to everyone with a Megidoloan vs 200 damage to everyone with Maziodyne is not a huge deal compared to not being able to cheese the damage with N/D/R and (2) the unique signature skills of the strongest demons both player and enemy are often almighty making people think that it is the element rather than the skill itself that is busted.
>>146131202>joker loses to namek vegeta trust me bro i played the game
>>146131229But he does lose to Namek Vegeta.
>>146131059>>146131180https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTDueWhVfN0>Otto was rightHOLY KEK ALMIGHTY JOBBED TO A FUCKING TRUCK!!!!
>>146131229would people not from earth and not human even register in the metanav?would he be able to have a palace considering the metaverse is human collective unconscious
>>146131088This, I thought GER's return to zero occured before the attack occurs, not TO the attack. Non JoJo readers seem to think GER is some sort of reflective power. Which actually wanks it in an unintended way.
>>146131140multiverse level car
>>146131234Smt and persona are just a weak verse They can't even beat part 6 jotaro let alone giorno. Who btw gold experience requiem has no limits. It could solo the smt and persona verses by itself.
>>146131248NO! YOU CAN ONLY USE ANTI-FEATS FROM OTHER UNIVERSES IN THE MULTIVERSE WHEN IT COMES TO JOJO!
>>146131050>thinking you can meet decent people on the internetDecent people wouldn't live here, Otto.
>>146131248https://youtu.be/fTDueWhVfN0?t=726truck-kun confirmed for outerversal
Wow, I can't believe those bullets were going quadrillion times the speed of light
>>146130969>there are canon abilities that can reflect almighty (I don't think Persona has them in any of the base gamesArtemis has it in P2: Innocent Sin.
>>146131248BEEP BEEP FRAUD CHECK COMING THROUGH!
>>146130487People honestly overblow the whole “X FANBASE IS SEETHING” thing. DB fanboys seem to care more about making other fanbases angry than about the actual debate, or the episode itself. Which would be fine, but they always whine about other fanbases “toxic” to them, when they act just as toxic, if not worse.
>>146131304Almighty bros...we're not even truck level...
Power level debates would be a lot more entertaining if they were a race to the bottom with anti-feats, a question of which universe doesn't get knocked down to subplanet level
>>146130709The only time that has been convincing was TJ vs Balrog, because the stats there were basically dead-even
>>146131333That just favors characters with less and less content, just like VSBW and their current boundless criteria.
>>146131339Except TJ won because he could overclock and boost his stats.
>>146131256>why would curse energy even be able to affect makima Idk
Isn’t >Almighty can pierce anythingJust as much of an NLF as>GER can undo anything?
Who is a worse researcher Speedy or Lousy?
>>146131353Weird how they never mention that in the post analysis
>>146130887In fairness I legitimately do not know how you block Soft and Wet Go Beyond's Non Existent bubbles without being a Mad Jim Jaspers/Franklin Richards reality bender
>>146131365Yes it is but to undo an ability that sends you back in time so that you never moved would mean you can do time stuff. That's how you beat GER or any time altering power.
>>146131140>YHWY is sub-planetThat one I'm not sure about. I would be willing to chalk that one down to writer fiat when it comes to the games where you are actually able to fight him since he canonically rules and acts on a universal level. I don't accept that he is only as strong as he appears when you fight him in Last Bible 3 or whichever one he's a boss in. I understand the distinction between YHWH and Great Will but I think that YHWH is supposed to be universal while GW is multiversal. I don't think YHWH could wipe out a universe but I think that, in most continuities, if he really wanted to he could unmake a planet.>>146131175Yeah I agree that this is really stupid as well. Most powerful demons either have innate pierce or their signature skill has pierce baked in. In-universe my assumption is that N/D/R just means normal amounts of that element can be shrugged off. Sufficient strength can break through N/D/R and the game illustrates that through pierce. It's like arguing that because SMT is a turn based game they would be unable to outspeed an enemy because they would patiently stand and wait until it was their turn to act.
>>146131365>can pierce anything that cant tank it Its not that complicated Btw demi fiend would eat those bullets with ease
>>146131140>Baldur>lost his immunity to some magical artifact (that's a dumb cellphone strap) based on his mythological deathUm, that seems less absurd than the truck honestly. It's basically akin to a vampire being repelled by a cross. Also I doubt GE/GER's durability that it could tank the force of a truck being slammed into it without RTZ
>>146131384>>146131365It goes much beyond doing time-stuff, actually. It means you have complete control over the writing of reality and the universe itself. It means you have the power to rewrite cause and effect by your own. Reminder that GER prevents Fate getting to Giorno, which means it essentially shapes reality.>>146131395This truck? >>146131304 Outerversal btw.
>>146131365>Just as muchHell, It's more. Almighty attacks can actually be reflected in Persona. You have to use secondary fiction sources to define GER's limits.
Is there even a single Jojo stand that has done anything remotely physically impressive sans MiH (which jobbed with infinite speed to oxygen poisoning mind you)
>Why aren't people taking my lowballs seriously :(
>>146131430>I will just pretend D4C pulling out infinite mass out of the literal multiverse is not phisically impressive. This is not a trollpost!
>>146131400I believe the point is that saying "Only the strongest demons EVER can withstand Almighty damage!" is retarded because Beldur/Baldur is pretty pathetic offensively and is an early game boss that still completely nulls even the 'reality warping unstoppable' Almighty element. I had assumed that the Baldur/Dubhe comment was intended as a response to >>146131059 in which it was implied that only extremely powerful endgame level characters can reflect almighty.
>>146131248in the anime The truck did nothing because It missed its weak point (the soon-to-explode head)
>>146131453>implying this is all at onceIs there even a single stand that could in a single blow, break apart a really large building sans MiH?
Things I liked/agreed with:>Joker beats base Giorno/GE>the part where Giorno summons a forestAlso, I don't think GER was brought out too early, but that's just me.Things I didn't like/disagreed with:>the puppetry animation style looked really awkward in this fight>equating Persona with the whole of SMT>using gameplay to say GER can negate MiH>treating Almighty as the ultimate fuck you attackI don't like them using EoH, but I understand why they would feel like need to too.As much as I wanted Joker to win, I'm not sure I buy Velvet Room+Social Links saving him from RTZ.>>146130872Who would they even use it for? DIO vs 2hu girl so that Swan's rvenge could be complete? Have Jotaro rewrite reality against Kenshiro (still wouldn't work, Hokuto Shinken is invincible).>>146131286>can kill almighty deities>can teleport characters into alternate worlds>can accelerate indefinitelyFUCKING TRUCKS!
>>146131430No, JoJonigs intentionally ignore that everyone in JoJo has human durability and weaknesses but also have quirky powers. It’s why they get so butthurt when you bring up Jotaro getting hit by knives from Dio or shot by the rat because it breaks the “muh ftl” lie.
Giorno was robbed. I'm telling ya
>>146131490We should really talk about composite truck kun
SMT's truck solo's your verse and I'm tired of pretending this isn't the case.
>>146131476Does this count as a single strike?
>>146131490>DIO vs 2hu girlWould EOH Dio even beat the 2hu? I saw someone post the 2hu were multiverse level.
can Joker beat mid game smt demon encounter (enemy advantage)
>>146131471>>146131490>>146131506>>146131515Found it!https://youtu.be/GLJA7Y2bIrg 19:15You need to hit the head before it explodes.
>>146131496Most fans won't deny these guys are glass cannons. Their normal human bodies being the glass part. A lot of them just have good abilities for avoiding damage too.
>>146131496No one is arguing that the USERS are human-level. But the STANDS themselves have stats far higher than the user, and they’re just straight up immune to physical damage
>>146131544>Ghiaccio's voice is driving this truckAlmighty jobs to fucking WHITE ALBUM?
>>146130153joker gunning down giorno like a mafia member
>>146131557GE couldn't break White Album's armor btw
All this persona copeDeathbattle said what joker was only universe level with mftl+ speed? Hes actually complex multiversal and has immeasurable speed.
>>146131584>Hes actually [headcanon]
>>146131584BaitJoker is country level (japan) in the metaverse. outside of it, he is fodder
>>146131554Uh nigger, stands get injured physically all the time. Jolyne’s stand literally broke its hands punching the meteors and Kakyoin’s stand was going to tear itself in half trying to hold the car up.
Makoto is generally agreed to be the strongest of the modern persona protagonistsbut he had to sacrifice his soul to seal nyxpersona 1 cast beat the shit out of nyx without needing to do thatBoy with earring is thus high outerverse level
>>146131602>country levelIs there even a Jojo stand above large building level in Destructive Capability?
Da Bowsegg rulez have dropped.
>>146131619>"Obviously" no Archie or Kunobviously no eyes of heaven
>>146131616Bohemian Rhapsody?
The funniest part about omniversal truck is that GER probably can't actually output the kinetic energy of a truck exploding in one go
>>146131619Is no Archie really "obvious" when they explicitly used it twice before?
The fact that people were actually surprised about this outcome says a lot.
>>146131659I mean it's physical AP isn't why it's powerful or how it won against KC.
>>146131619>Paper Mario countsbut I thought the paper versions were another characters
So Bowser vs Eggman is just Mario vs Sonic 3
>>146131703They are except when they aren’t. As one does.
>>146131333antifeats?
>>146131714That rock would ONESHOT DC, Marvel AND Dragon Ball.
>>146131333Flash bros, I’m not feeling so good….
>>146131723P-PLEASE DONT SOLO MY VERSE B-BRANDED PEN-SAMA, WE DONT SCALE TO PLANETARY LIKE YOU!
BRING ME JENNY WAKEMAN
>>146131746>SMT universe gets nerfed to truck level>DC universe gets nerfed to bullet level>SCP multiverse gets nerfed to hydrochloric acid level
>>146131784Skibidi victim skibidi skibidi
>>146131476Part 8 Sheer Heart Attack could cause a level 3 earthquakes as a side effect of its explosions so probably
>>146131465>because Beldur/Baldur is pretty pathetic offensively and is an early game bossto be fair the plot of DS is that all Bel demons are fragment of the original Bel. the game suggests He would be a pain to the ass to the other Bels.He and other Bels return when you are about to take on Babel. You still need the Devil's Fuge.DS Beldr has an AOE curse Fractional Damage which 1/4 your life unless you resist curse. In Overclocked, the MC summons him along with Belial to attack Metatron so He is not pathetic
>>146131784Bend over. NOW.
I don’t know why people are acting shocked that death battle has arbitrary rules that are only used at random. They’ve been doing this for years.
>>146131872*which takes 1/4 your life for himself
>>146131703The earlier M&L games already have confirmed Paper Mario as a past adventure. So Paper jam was already a shitty retcon that Miyamoto double retconned by saying Every Mario is the same Mario afterwards (after PJ released). Nintendo already had pm characters show in 3d games before that game too.If you still want to include that game, think of the post-PJ Paper Mario as a comic book of your past events coming to life (kamek has said both worlds were exactly parallel in this shit game also too), that Mario then goes on to do the CS, and TOK games.
What happened with GalaxyVid Max?
>>146131904Randomly using EoH is really weird. It's not like a popular fiction on its own like Archie Sonic. I don't think there's anything comparible in DB before this, for anti-feats.Jotaro vs. Kenshiro literally had "Eyes over Heaven doesnt count, of course!"
>>146131904Because it went against years and years of GER gassing.Fact that it got put on fraudwatch on the big vs show ruffled the jimmies of many.
>>146131927>mods on his discord were pushing for HRT specifically for minors>it gets leaked here>Otto asks max to talk to their mod about making such statements>max blocks otto, taking the money that Otto prepaid him and running
>"AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEE IS THAT JACK FROST?!?!?! REQUIEM YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE!!!!"
>>146131939To be honest with the way they presented it, it felt like mentioning EoH was just the cherry ontop. Almighty shenanigans has bypassed stronger abilities from way stronger characters, if memory serves correct.They also gave Joker the Omnipotent Orb in the equipment section in his analysis section. They just felt nice and decided to not use it in the actual fight, I guess.
If GER has universal range, why didn’t he stop MiH?
>Stand Arrow lend me your power, this is BASE JACK FROST I’m up against…
>>146131979>>146131994The fact that Jack Frost was unironically about to kill Giorno there and forced Requiem is comical. If he was just a tiny bit slower on the arrow draw he would have just died right then and there.
>>146131980It does feel unneeded, which I think validates the theory of this being a trojan horse for eventual Dio wank.
>>146132010DIO has been pulling the strings all along. He’s holding them at gunpoint to make him beat What If Ultron.
>>146132029Is Swan just flat out using his name now?
>>146132003"HEE HO THIS DAGO HAS TO GO"
>>146132003It’s even better when you realize the reason why Joker summoned Jack Frost. Jack has ice absorb, making him completely immune to ice attacks, so any ice attacks damaged reflected by GE would just do nothing, essentially shutting it down.>>146132034Swan’s just DIO wearing a very convincing costume.
>>146131952never trust discord mods
>>146132003Base GE could’ve just reverted the trees back into normal floor bits so that they’d crush the ice. Ice fucks over GE in enclosed spaces especially because there’s not a lot to use.
>>146132003can Joker beat composite Jack Frost?
>>146132079Think if you go max SMT tomfoolery and keep him with the stats DB gave, probably?
>>146132079No one but the Messiahs and other demons can beat the composite demons due to their esoteric nature in the Expanse
>>146132137*he probably loses, is what I meant
>>146132137>>146132153>>146132154My fahking HERO
Who could composite Kirk Thornton beat?
>>146130048The fact that the power of friendship won the day is super gay.
>>146132441Composite Adam Sandler
This fight would’ve gotten JoJofags uppity when Part 5 was still airing or just done, now it doesn’t really matter when people are riding on Part 7 hype. All we get now are Personafags getting a reason to be more annoying
>>146132441>Don PatchIt's over. He solos fiction
>>146132481who could Johnny be matched up against?
>>146132498It's crazy that I got started with this when I watched this clip of Don and was like "wait a minute that's literally Yujiro" https://youtu.be/KgRRkrwqvXU?si=ZdvXJqYylpTqZOyI&t=61
>>146130805They don't even normally take actual canon anti-feats into account whenever they are doing things like max nonsensical wank on speed stats.
>>146132533Sherry Belmont, Richter Belmont, Carter Slade, Edward Elric, Altair (for some reason), take your pick
>>146131333>anti featsI present to you the winner
https://youtu.be/WpTDAow4XU8?si=Bt5AxtqMNCfyPaJzJoker's win in a nutshell
>>146130088Why did they ignore EOH for Jotaro/Kenshiro and DIO/Alucard, but felt it necessary to bring it up here
ASHBROS DISCORD EMERGENCY MEETING NOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
>>146130487Part 8 Josuke with Go Beyond will wreck some Persona character someday
>>146132611tbf, GER has literally one single appearance and thing it does before being gone, and unless you wanna NLF it, you kinda have to extend into the extra shit (I don't agree with it in any case, but I at least understand why they did it)
>>146130088who is Jorge Joestar novel DIO and Kars for
>>146132695>Novel DioCaliborn>Novel KarsDCAU Amazo
>>146132577>Joker got his second wind because Akechi promised to sodomize him that night and he didn't want to miss it
>>146130624I think Alucard should have beaten DIO. but then, now I guess they can say top Jojo characters are consistently 1,500x the speed of light and universe busters, but even that's not enough to deal with the high tiers of SMT/Persona
Reminder that Robotinik jobs to RapeManhattan.>Robotnik is fighting against Shadow the Hedgehog, Ryuko Matoi, Gambit, and the Comedian>He seems to be beating them with ease until Doctor Manhattan shrinks down and teleports into Eggman's butthole>He then shapeshifts into a dildo and begins vibrating at speeds so powerful that it causes Robotnik to orgasm so hard that he explodes in a fiery explosion bigger than Hiroshima>The Doctor then teleports away, knowing that he's done his part to help his community
>DIO Blanco Vs SakuyaI'm not going to sugarcoat it, DIO is fucked no matter what Not only she is one of the few 2hus with access to the full Catalogue of retarded Touhou wank, making it so she gets to Low complex multiversal in base (this is retarded but if we are going to do full wank vs Full wank it is possible that they eat the Multiversal arguments)And on top of that using His non canon form allows Sakuya to get Stuff from Touhou Lost word (the Gacha) and there's literally a "Sakuyaverse" she is one of the units with most alternative versions of herself.Sci-fi Sakuya can use machines to stop time without her output Vampire hunter Sakuya can affect Fate and abstract shit with her powers Phantom Tief Sakuya has Marisa's hakkero, can create illusions, and other shit I didn't bother to readAnd there's scarlet, winter, and another couple of Sakuyas I don't even remember because there's so many of themAnd we still have to get L80 Sakuya who's capable of surviving the Lost word incident (a literal multiverse erasing "thing" that makes shit become nothing by erasing their names from existence)
>>146132781skibidi toilet solos
>>146132611
>>146132794Amazing Digital Circus victim.
Uzi needs to be fraudchecked and raped on screen to shut dronefags up
>>146131927>>146131952>>146132073Do they deserve the Ass Void? Does Max deserve the Ass Void?
>>146132777>ReminderI am reminded that DC Comics made DocManhattan into an Alien X's expy
>>146132794Skibidi is for Murder TROONS.
>>146132814>>146132794>>146131885>>146131806>>146131784>>146131714When did the 15 year olds invade?
>>146132840let's see here>demonic entity trying to take over her body>wings>edgelordyepCHADow victim
>>146132843Do it, anon. Show them.
>>146132851>shittalking skibidi toilet>on MY threadSkibidiCHADs... KILL.
>>146132851>15 year oldsGreen's victims.
>>146132465Groomed outside help. Sad what Death Battle has become.
>>146131430Diavolo would like a word with you. he's still dying.
>>146132845Nope. It went like this:>Ben 10 is fighting Hal Jordan>Hal goes back in time and is about to cut off Ben's arm when suddenly, Doctor Manhattan enters, grabs Ben 10, and teleports away>Ben asks "why did you save me?>Manhattan responds, "so I could rape Alien X">Ben tries to run away but Manhattan teleports in front of Ben and forcibly turns him into Alien X>Doctor Manhattan then creates a condom the size of a black hole and puts it on his magnum dong before raping Alien X a bunch>All the while Green Lantern is crying while masturbating to this because he was secretly in love with Ben 10 and wished that it was him having sex with Alien X and not Doctor Manhattan>Manhattan then climaxes and says "stay in school, drink lots of milk, and listen to your parents" because he's the best role model ever before teleporting away
>>146132899Diavolo death #9475520365 - suicide after talking to vsdebater once.
Who can stop him?
>>146132922ENTER
>GER fucks up Joker>"Ugh... I lost my will... I can't use personas now...">"My teacher, all her grooming will go to waste... No">"I... I won't let all her hard work go to waste">"I WON'T LET YOU TAKE ME FROM MY GROOMER!">Joker BTFOs GiornoWeird ending, but okay...
>>146132814>CAINE-SAMA GIVE ME HRT AND BOTTOM SURGERY NOWWWWW THE WACKY AVATAR YOU BESTOWED UPON ME IS GIVING ME BODY DYSMORPHIA YOU BIGOT>ALSO CHEW ME UP WITH YOUR TEETH. IM REALLY INTO VORE
>>146132851I know how to get rid of them. Post lewd matchups.
>>146132441>Reiatsu Soul Crush>Infinite Cosmic Power Scaling Saix>>>>>Don PatchEveryone and its not even close.
>>146132843Absolutely.
>>146133039Ass vs Ass!
>Giorno has full control of GER>GER never activated instantlyso anyone with mindhax who outspeeds him beats himyeah Joker would win easily, Giorno's a Whimsicott-with-Taunt victim
>>146132441Wait when did he play Mephisto?
>>146132441Many I would assume.
I think Kenshiro vs Ryu actually can work as a DB>Both are Wandering Martial Artists who use fictional martial arts who unlocked a 'Nothingness' state and have rage powers as well.
>>146133150https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQXHdItgb7I
>>146133039
>>146133193It's my favorite Kenshiro matchup. I guess the problem is that I don't know Ryu has an answer to Ken's ToDs or if he just blows up like everyone else. Still, it's pretty cool.
>>146132611Because neither Jotaro nor DIO need an entire game to explain their powers and how far they scale or what their limitations are.
>>146130088Sakuya Izayoi probably since she mogs standard and Death Battle DIO
>>146130676Yeah, I agree it is stupid, but that's Death Battle for you.
>>146133193It sounds good on paper, but it doesn't help that Ryu is wildly outclassed in about every category (even Akuma island busting being contentious with Raoh's cloud splitting) and can quite literally be killed by any single touch, and he lacks any real way of keeping Kenshiro at a good distance like Jotaro with SP.On the other hand, Raoh vs Akuma would be good because of how much both like forgoing actual techniques in favor of brutalizing their opponents
>>146133151>who outspeedsscale me King Crimson's skipped time then we can talk about this
>>146130970Unironically yes. Pierce and Gaea Rage GG
>hehehehe I, DOH, am going to beat this faggot little girl!>ACK! SHE BROKE MY FUCKING ARMS! I'M JOBBING! I'M FUCKING JOBBING! SPARE ME!
>>146133262I THINK Power of Nothingness might have SOME healing properties since it brought Gouken back from getting hit by Raging Demon, otherwise yeah he's cooked.
>>146133315Anon, if moving in skipped time is equal to infinite speed, then that makes so many problems for the story that its not even funny.
>>146131668well the first time wasn't really archie (Sonic given based mach 1 speed or something for super early death battle and just had some archie flavor clips rather than the power) and the second time was very specific that it was Archie Sonic.
>>146133309A pretty cool alternative, and honestly what Akuma's comeback should've been. I might be mistaken, but I once heard that Akuma has a way to control his pressure points.>>146133321Again, I might be wrong, but I think that had more to do with protecting Gouken's soul rather than healing his body.
Give her a fight
>>146133315normal Jojo character very fast but not ftl speed lmao
>>146131946What would be a good matchup for the Limbus goober squad?
>>146133354My cock (she loses).
>>146133354What, so we need a strong butler/maid/elevator attendant? How about Valkenhayn from Blazblue? I'm sure you could wank him to multiversal.
>>146133354Rodin, both in santa costumes.
>>146132611EOH flat out gave those two new abilities they don't have in standard. For Giorno it was just giving more info on the power he had.
Easy kh win
>>146133193The problem is HSK is total bullshit with what it can do. If Kenny touches Ryu the fight's basically over.
>>146133349I mean Gouken also got enough blood splattered out of him to make Akuma's death symbol
>>146133426An Ansem/Vanitas/Xemnas army fight where they also get their Heartless/Unversed/Nobodies would be cool. Just need a good matchup.
>>146130597For normies it is. P5 sold less than 8 million copies, factoring in both regular and Royal. Call of Duty sells 30 million per year. College Football 25 had 5 million unique players in the first week, and has been staying high in the sales chart since it's release.So yes, the JRPG that took 8 years to be shy of 8 million(including people double dipping for regular and Royal) in sales is unknown to normies, as is JoJo. JoJo is actually more likely to be noticed because it was at least featured on Netflix and Adultswim.
What's the most even Kenshiro fight? Riki-Oh? Iron Fist?>>146133443Fair.
>>146133409You don’t get to pick and choose what counts and what doesn’t. If you’re going to treat the continuity that gives GER limits as accurate then you also have to include the part where Jotaro and Dio suddenly become reality warpers
>>146133470That would require consistency, and we know that all episodes must be taken in a vacuum, speedy said so!
>>146130969I'm not to familiar with smt but are these monsters like the real versions or just a reflection of human thoughts. Like if Dracula existed in the real world the one they'd encounter wouldn't be the real one? Also wouldn't Giorno be much stronger in this world too since he's already powerful in the real world and even regular people can get powers in this other world?
>>146133470>You don't get to pick and chooseDeath Battle does this all the time kek.
>>146133371There's a surprisingly thematic matchup for Papa Don in a game that just came out
>>146133488I could be wrong but I think in persona they are reflections while being the actual versions in SMT
>>146133488Short answer: yes.
>>146133377LelHorny bastards. They better not make some Ao3
>>146133371For the whole squad specifically, I got nothing but maybe Doctor Arknights and his main goobers, and even then that’s just kinda mid at best.Individual Sinners probably got better MU’s.>>146133496Go, my unbreakable coins.
>>146133496In fairness we don't really know the real levels of Donny's power since we fight a starved hyper nerfed version of him that may have also been holding back somewhat and he STILL mogged most of the gang and he was probably pulling his punches against Bani due to being intrigued
>>146133377Don't worry, Giorno turned his lips into jellyfish to take the kiss, hence only Joker is a fag
I don't know why I do this to myself. I keep looking at the Death Battle subreddit to try and give an even handed reason for the failures of Death Battle research but left right and center all you get is shilling. Then again, they are sold on the scale of effect = attack potency = durability bullshit Death Battle has been pushing for nonDragon Ball franchises.
>>146133377acting like Giorno wouldn't be the one on top
>>146133529Nerfed via starving for 200+ years, golden bough itself nerfing him, and also just holding back in-general. What a guy.
>>146133537because you're on /deathbattle, what did you expect? At least /whowouldwin is a little better with calling bullshit (or at least it used to be way back)
>>146133537>Then again, they are sold on the scale of effect = attack potency = durabilityThis is literally fucking insane to me.HOLY FUARK! SKELETOR MIND CONTROLLED A CITY!? HE'S FUARKING CITY LEVEL! WHAT A BEAST!!!
>>146133543Who’s the best opponent for Mista
>>146133559FTL Han Solo.
>>146133537What if there never was, or even could be, any science to this shit, because it's literally all made up?Ever think of that?
>>146133550That's what I am saying, I don't know why I do this to myself.
>>146133529That's fine since More's true level of power is also pretty unclear beyond levitating a city-sized chunk of rock
>>146133526>>146133496>Sancho, I have conceived an idea most ingenious! Today I shall take part in this funny little show called Death Battle and the humans with love us as we dazzle them with spectacle!>Don that's retarded
>>146133501Yes to them not being real or yes to them being fake? Or is it a joke about how it depends
>>146133488>I'm not to familiar with smt but are these monsters like the real versions or just a reflection of human thoughtsthere are three scalesThey all exist as one in the absolute.as formless beings below the absolute.and with form due to human perception.in Persona 3 to 5, humans thoughts are mixed with Nyx's psyche. this creates shadows. tamed shadows are Personas.>Like if Dracula existed in the real world the one they'd encounter wouldn't be the real one?both Draculas exist in the Absolute.In SMT it is possible to manifest x character with your thoughts by giving form to the formless.Real World Dravula would be the original Dracula for this real world
>>146133548Quixote was too pure for the sinful city
>>146133595>timeline where Bari is a vs debater and gets him into it Horrifying
>>146133614That kooky lady would totally do it too.
>>146133608Oh ok but it's different in 1 and 2?
>>146133623Immortal autism woman
>>146133309just give Ryu shit from Udon and give him Shin Ryu
>>146133453Myotismon might work.
>>146133548Not to mention he was staked thousands of times on top of it
>>146133670TRAPPED and BETRAYED in the Hyperbolic La Mancahaland for TWO HUNDRED PLUS YEARS
>>146133635>oh ok but it's different in 1 and 2?In Persona 1 and 2 You encounter the protagonist of the previous game (SMT IF) and due to the way levels were treated, they and the setting scale to her and SMT IF.Now here is the funny thing:Demons appear in P1 and P2. Philemon gave the party the power to wield Personas. In game, You negotiate with demons. Once you contracted them, you go to the Velvet Room to ask them to turn these demons into Personas. I think Persona Jack Frost gets dialogue when talking to a Demon Jack Frost but I'd have to verify.There is no real difference between COMP users and Persona users except that COMP users can become vulnerable when they lose their COMPs. Yes, this means You can summon your Persona anywhere unlike modern Persona. Literal Stand users
>>146133740>>146133740>I think Persona Jack Frost gets dialogue when talking to a Demon Jack Frost but I'd have to verify.Here it ishttps://youtu.be/5xD7YDjXox0 1:00Video has timestamps
Isee? Next DB Cast is something else.https://www.youtube.com/live/oPFvi4OnVeQ?si=HRDwMpv0NYpFHRxx
I want my Frost Family v Slime Family MU now.
>Turn Ice Age into grass>Turn grass into whatever or just to keep the temperature going>???Why did death battle overlook this?
>>146133835Rolfe defeated Bugs FUCKING Bunny, he clears zero diff.
>>146133844Giorno can't create life with ice around, that's one of the main reasons Mista fought White Album
>>146133844Giorno can't turn ice into life.
>>146133554Or let's just go directly with the latest Death Battle. Golden Experience Requiem isn't some universal tier monster, really all it does is change Giorno from Street Tier to Street Tier that is incredibly hard to kill. Joker? Without the crutch of a Metaverse environment he is just a dude capable of manipulating people. All his powers in the Metaverse are only super effective against things in the Metaverse because the Metaverse is manifested by the collective unconscious. Now these creatures are a threat to humans if they were unprotected in the Metaverse, so we can at least put them as Street Tier threats.
>>146133740Huh so after 2 the protagonists are just normal people in the real world so if Giorno cought them their they'd be powerless?
>>146133868>>146133875He turned bullets enclosed by ice into plants and he turned ice into tundra grass, and that wasnt peak GE Giorno like when they got enhanced by bodyswapping so his transformation limit is beyond this
>>146133918He only managed that because the bullets had heat from being fired to not be frozen over completely.
Thanos? The World's victim
Is there still noone who can defeat him?
>>146133844Giorno couldn't do shit against White Album, the best he could do was make moss/grass on the water to help get around after crashing the car (but surprise surprise Ghiaccio could freeze the water too). The grass wouldn't even be able to keep the temp up, anon. Literally just look at permafrost. Once Giorno was down, it was up to Mista to fight off Ghiaccio till he could get an advantage
>>146133953Gaped by Spongechad
>>146133918>he turned ice into tundra grassDid…did you read the fight? He turned the CAR into grass.
>>146133918whatever you say anon
>series its fans don't read vs series its fans don't playWhat a disaster of a matchup
I think Death Battle would generally cause less seethe if fights didn’t have to end in death unless it made sense to the character. If more fights ended like GVS3 (even though Goku did die) it would be cool.
>>146133997>tfw remember that someone here tried to tell me that MIH harmed humans because some guy with fake teeth had those teeth fall out (he literally says that they’re fakes)
>>146130048A rare time when giving a character non canon stuff actually made them weaker
>>146134007Then it wouldn't be called Death BattleIt would be called Jobber Battle
>>146134007Yeah, it's very obviously a relic that the team would obviously prefer the removal of but really can't due to brand recognition
Giorno had a pretty damn cool death desuIt was respectful and powerful attack.
>>146134043>EOH and ASB literally gives GER uni+ scaling from being able to neg MIH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>weakerWhat the fuck is wrong with you.
>>146134065I think this fight is a good example of one that didn’t need to end in death, it would’ve been funny if it cut to the real world where Giorno suddenly became a way nicer mob boss or quit altogether.
>>146133953Carl’s mom can survive him giving her cancer if she has that redindian treeroot
>>146131784She should fight someone from a series equally as edgy.
>>146134076According to the storyboard it technically didn't
>>146133835>For a split second I thought this was universal monsters BR with Rolfe as a guestWould have been kino in the screwattack days
>>146133897kinda
>>146134076>“Wow maybe being a mafia boss is bad. What’s the worse that could happen if I quit?”>Suddenly rival gangs from all over the world try to muscle in on the randomly vacant spot of Passione>Italy becomes a war zoneAs expected of Joker “Lover Of Rape and Suffering” Persona.
>>146134076I havent played persona but they were fighting in that mental world thing. Do people of they die in the metaverse die irl?
>>146133953“Ay ay ay ay…”
>>146134107Yes but GER could just revert Giorno’s mental death in the real world so it really didn’t matter.
>>146134076Did actually happen if you count the storyboard extra scene as canon.
>>146134137Also what happened in the storyboard extra scene. Fun times.
>>146134090>>146134141Why do the fights always leave out the best parts of the storyboard?
Theres several deathbattles that dont end in death actuallyFucking uh sigma? Is still alive i guess...Ganon will eventually just reincarnate as will discord
>Turn Ice surrounded floor or whatever object into grass (absolute 0 doesnt get fast on room temp objects)>Turn grass into pistol shrimps or whatever chem reaction animal>Melt iceNo sweat, even without peak enhanced body swapped GE giorno or GER, this can be managed. And still GER could just keep creating life on its own on other objects without Giorno because thermodynamics
>>146134092>description says James will actually guest starI got some good news for you champ
>>146134181Gee why didn't Giorno do that in the show
>>146133835>>146134193KINO
>>146134181oops fuck mobile>>146133996>>146133939>>146133956>>146133987
>>146134169Ganon doesn't necessarily have to reincarnate.There just has to be a dude who tries to fuck over Hyrule/Link/Zelda at some point.
>>146134169Link and Zelda as well.
>>146134181You realize that Ghiacco was going into negatives with his ice right?
>>146134198same reason ant man didnt go giant big inside thanoss ass
>>146133997I'm really curious about P5's trophy acquisition percentages and where they drop off.
>>146134236Abs 0 is -273.15 C.
>>146133835>6-D AVGN vs wall level guyswhat the fuck are they supposed to do if they're not composited?
>>146134242too stinky
>Josuke vs Yu>Stands are invisible>Yu just uses Orb of Sight to see Crazy Diamond
>>146134262Yes, I know, and at -100C Giorno couldn’t create any life from either the ice or the area in general. He might not even be able to transmutate water in the first place because it’s brimming with living microorganisms.
>>146134256About half reach the ending on PSN.
>>146131609Mai nigga.
https://youtu.be/PbSgl2PCJTc?si=6Y5_2vqr75VZBzJaWhich is the strongest deathbattle character that would die to a sinful shell?
>>146134236absolute zero cant even hit objects instantly it takes too long to get there, thats why he could still make life out of other objects enclosed by minus 100c
>>146134282That's actually an incredible playthrough rate, given the average game is approximately 30%.I'm inclined not to believe you, consequently.
>>146134304Realistically none cause it is just for fighting stuff from the collective unconscious, but it would probably kill Dan Hibiki because he'd think it would.
>>146134141>>146134155They should cut out the avatars and bring back the quick post fight clips
>>146134346Just google it then. P5 original is closer to 40% and Royale is closer to 55%.
>>146134388Thats stupid. It killed a god
Hold up, MegaTen on /co/. When did this board become based?
>>146134401>Post fight cuts to Giorno taking a plane to Florida with Mista and Trish to see his estranged family while Italy goes up in flames due to a gang war over the throne of Passione
>metaverse fuses with the real world >sinful shot still cant kill anybody above wall level because they wouldnt think that it couldSo why didnt the god of control just not think that it could kill him? Is he stupid?
>>146134406A being formed of the collective unconscious' feelings of sloth and apathy was defeated by a being of one person's unconscious self after being supercharged by the rebellious beliefs of the people in the world which in and of itself acted to weaken that former being.
>>146134462So is the god of control losing to dan hibiki? Dan would just gas himself up and surely overpower it
>>146134456Cause Yaldobaoth is literally made of the unconscious feelings and beliefs of mankind, specifically those of sloth and apathy.
>>146134486So this being made from the concepts of apathy and apathy is actually not that strong and niether is joker cause its really just about feelings? Is he losing to wargreymon?
>>146134485Magic A gets beaten by Magic B does not mean Magic A loses to Dan Hibiki.
>>146134508Wargreymon solos all of fiction so yes but that's not surprising.
Overwhelming stomp in Joker's favor in terms of abilities. Not even fair desu
>>146134508It isn't made of the concepts of apathy and sloth, it is made of the existing degrees of apathy and sloth in the collective unconscious. And yeah probably does lose to WarGreymon.
>>146134513Ok but when i asked what sinful shot could kill against another deathbattle character I was told dan hibiki. Dan the dude who can barely destroy a car might die to sinful shot.
>>146134517This. GER gets wanked because people have never heard of basic ass power null apparently. Mutants from MHA because they have power null resist from no-selling Aizawa. They beat Giorno.
>>146134539Good. WarGreymon is on the same level anyway that being complex multiversal. He also has immeasurable speed just like that god. It would probably go either way.
>>146134541Yeah. Dan could probably be killed by Sinful Shot since Shadows are described as dangerous to humans without Personas. In the world of Persona that would just be normal humans, Dan Hibiki is basically the closest to regular human of the Death Battle roster, so he'd probably die.
Bring me a real megami tensei fight
>>146134583Okay
>>146134583Lucemon gets gaped.The literal only challenge that exists for SMT Lucifer is the DC version, and they're basically the strongest versions of the Devil ever in fiction.
>>146134580>probably not even most likely definitely dieDan should've killed hercule he's fucking universal plus according to /co/
>>146134615But if he's so strong why does joker collect him like a pokemon?
>>146134562Nah it wouldn't be an either way kind of thing. WarGreymon is city tier in terms of destructive aptitude. Yaldobaoth is probably fairly tough in the merged world, but we never really see anyone try anything on it. Joker and co basically just use kryptonite weapons on it after it was deprieved of at least some of its main power source.
>>146134615Smt lucifer needs to fight an actual ugly ass mofo imo not that pretty boy from dc
>>146134645Joker gapes Lucifer, duh
>>146134645Well no the SMT Lucifer and Persona Lucifer are different things. Persona Lucifer is basically just the idea as it exists inside of the human background radiation field known as the collective unconscious.
>>146134652>wargreymon is city tier >the same season that some random brain dude created a galaxy btw
>>146134673Yeah if you aren't wanking things, WarGreymon is city tier.
Giritina probably wins this. Beelzebub is a sub street level bitch just like joker.
>>146134694If we aren't wanking things SMTverse is large building tier so we don't do that here
>>146134694>muh wank Bro the final boss of season one was gonna destroy both the digital world and human universes because he was feeling edgy. Lemme guess apoclymon wasnt actually gonna do that because hes simply city level?
what tier is the hospital in SMT3 since it survives the conception completely unscathed
Why didn't i see any of you niggas downplaying wargreymon killing charizard?They had wargreymon easily killing the mountain level charizardBut now you're telling me he would lose because he's city level? Mmhmm curious
Dreamy Bowser and Time Eater confirmed.
>>146134724Generally yes he is only city tier, but his self destruction attack I don't really have any doubts about it destroying the human and digital worlds. Thank goodness it was stopped by their Digivices.
>>146134821you're late>>146131619
>>146134825You are beyond retarded don't even attempt to scale digimon ever again bro.
>>146134812Okay that's fair. WarGreymon and Apocalypmon are probably closer to Mountain/Island and Continental tiers respectively. So I am revising my statement from here: >>146134825 to be that Apoclypmon is Continental at his functional power level but that it jumps up to World Ending with his self destruction. That feels more natural in growth too.
>>146134821More than that is Fury Bowser, Vaccuum Shroom, Star Rod, and the Grand Stars.
>the thing that is bigger than actual large cities is only city level bro trust me nevermind that there's the fact that its the concept of death
>>146134883Oh is the size comparison a program? Or is this just an illustration designed to look like a screen shot?
Given that they have Joker resisting GER enough to not be killed by it and their bullshit around the omnipotent orb being disproven by a basic wiki search it feels like the episode was intended to be a draw but a personafag on the team got mad
>>146134821Bruh I cannot CONCEIVE the amount of wank they'll need to give Eggdunce to have him win if they're giving Bowser Galaxy and Dreamy feats.
>>146134830in my defence i searched "Bowser" and "Eggman" and missed it.
>>146134957Since they're giving him Time Eater all they need to do is quote the official Tails vtuber clip that explicitly calls it a multiverse buster.That said Ultrafag openly mocked the idea of Eggman winning so GG Mario Bros.
>Wargreymon is city level>Goku is mountain-level>Thor is slower than WolverineAny other retarded downplays common on this board?
>>146134957It's gonna be Time Eater and Infinite wank hardcarrying
>>146134982your OC loses to my OC
>>146134982the Walmart one
>>146134979>>146134984How will they bullshit their way out of explaining why Dreamy Bowser couldn’t just wish Time Eater away?
>>146135017He doesn't even need Dreamy BowserHe can just punch it really hard lmao, he has like 15 Impostor Bowsers that share his physical strength on hand at any timeKamek can probably just turn it into a goomba
So with these big forms like Time Eater, Infinity, Chaos Ruby (or whatever its called), Dream Bowser, can someone actually explain what any of this shit is and what it means for Eggman and Bowser
>>146131476Off the top of my head: High Priestess, Cream, Killer Queen (maybe), and that one jail guard's stand that summoned meteors. There's probably someone in Jojolion who could, but I haven't read it yet.
>>146134998ImpossibleMy OC has the power increase in strength based on the autism of his opponent
>>146135017Something about Chaos Emeralds being empowered by wishes and needing two Super Sonics to beat, scaling above things made of wishes like Maginaryworld or the Power of the StarsNot that I necessarily believe any of this either way but they do have options.
>>146135017Why didn't Dreamy Bowser just wish Mario and Luigi away? Is he stupid?
>>146135092>Dreamy Bowser just wish Mario and Luigi awayHe was about to do that with the Dream Stone before, then got interrupted, then just wanted to fight them head on after being angered.
>>146130153Jack Skellington.
>>146135080Needing two Super Sonics is equivalent to needing Super Sonic and Super Shadow.
>>146134821>Both characters can have anyone that formally has worked or would be willing to work for them.ENTERTHE TALLEST OF MOUNTAINSTHE ROUGHEST OF WAVESTHE TOUGHEST OF TERRORSTHE DARKEST OF DAYSTHE SHARPEST OF BLADES
>>146135112>one offDamn.
So when is Kirito getting fraudchecked?
Also, from what I’ve heard apparently the reason why Giorno has a palace is because his heart was getting distorted by Pucci for being a son of DIO.So Jonkler stopped Giorno from going over to nuke Jolyne in Florida.
>>146135199One day
>>146135213There’s basically a 0% chance that Giorno would get warped by Pucci’s gay waves, but I like this explanation since it means that DIO’s homosexuality literally got beaten out of Giorno.
>>146131609I like P1. but let's not forget the P2 was able to defy the manifestations of man kind's collective perceptions. Also, they killed Hitler a 2nd time.
>>146134952It honestly could’ve been a draw. RTZ could always save Giorno but that doesn’t necessarily mean GER can kill Joker.
>>146135247Hitler's a bitch. My hero the Fuhrer would never job so easily.>>146135199They had an opportunity to do Neo vs Kirito back when the 4th Matrix film released.
>>146135280If you go off of EOH (you should because GER literally only has DEFENSIVE showcasings of RTZ and not OFFENSIVE in official canon but EOH and ASB solves that issue) then GER would potentially be able to rewind Almighty attacks since it can work against things that exist outside of reality and time like Diavolo’s attacks, but if he tried to channel RTZ into his fists like he did against DIOH to strike an Almighty attack or physically block it he’d get killed instantly since offensive showcasings have RTZ being able to beat out widespread reality alteration but not warping and negation, which is what TWOH has.
I dread the day this shitshow starts to use creepypasta garbage like sonic.exe
>>146135280If Joker mindhaxs GER he won't do anything because he's under Giorno's complete control, then he can kill Giorno and GER without resistance.
>>146135381you just spoke it into existence
>>146135390There is unironically a world out there where Joker used a skill that inflicts Charm and win via that.
>>146135381We're getting Sans vs The Judge (literally who the fuck is that) so Sonic.exe will be in Death Battle '26.
>>146135390>GER>Giorno's complete control
>>146135428Judge is from an indie rpg called Off, I think
>>146130048No
>>146135162>"AAAIIIIIIEEEEE SH-SHADOW-SAMA IS TOO COOL"
>>146135428>We're getting Sans vs The JudgeAccording to who?
>>146135457He (as in GER) literally says he follows Giorno's will. Giorno just doesn't know what he does.
>>146135092same reason why Bowser didn't wish away Mario from existence with the Star Rod, yes
>>146135481It got far in the ballot so its guaranteed.
>>146135459Yes>>146135428Sans should fight Ness but I think people are too hung up on Ness vs Raz
>>146135390Stands are immune to physical/mental manipulation like that. Crazy Diamond wasn’t under Surface’s control in P4, just Josuke’s physical body, and Enya couldn’t control Star Platinum despite gouging a hole in Jotaro’s leg. The issue is SOUL manipulation, since SCR could control other stands if they got close to it.
>>146135514Good. It's time for OFFtrannies to get fraudchecked
>>146135381https://vsbattles.com/tags/fcoc-vs-battles-SonicEXE/
>>146135521But he can just mindhax GiornoKakyoin was controlled by Dio's bud and his stand got WEAKER
>>146135518>Ness Vs RazI think you mean Ness Vs Frisk.>>146135539GER can act independently of Giorno and pretty much just unwind the control, that’s the thing.
>>146135521>just Josuke's physical bodyNo, just his muscles. His mind was unaffected.
>>146135064>time eatertime creature that can destroy time >infinitesome dude Eggman convinced to join him that was given a duplicate of the phantom ruby to power him up>chaos rubyruby that can project physical illusions onto reality and can create shit with your mind>dreamy Bowsera power-up Bowser obtains after sucking up the shattered dream stone, with it he's powered by dreams themselves which are entire universes
>>146135561>pretty much just unwind the controlHe can act independent but he's not independent of Giorno's will. If Giorno doesn't WANT to be reset to non-mindhaxed, he won't be. That's why charm will beat him.
Imagine they scale both Bowser and Eggman higher than Goku
>>146135619As they should.
>>146130048>>146130048>Eyes in Heaven was written by the Jojo creatorFalse.>Big Bang Burger is a universal level attackFalse.>Maruki is equivalent to GERFalse.>Joker is 8,000,000,000 times the speed of lightFalse.Who are they hiring for """"""""""""""""""research"""""""""""""""""?
>>146135422Mitsuru would be proud.
>>146135562That’s what I said yeah. Josuke’s body was getting controlled but CD was fine.>>146135595Two issues with that. 1. RTZ activates BEFORE an attack or attempt at harming Giorno is made, and it can work against things that have been erased. Charm, unless it’s Almighty, wouldn’t work in the first place because it would be preemptively blocked, and 2. On the off chance that it does work, GER having an independent will of Giorno like Spice Girl means that it can detect what’s the best course of action to keep his user safe. If they suddenly decide to share the enemy’s gun in the face willingly then that’s not going to fly.
>>146135650We got Trillions times faster than light Base Bardock (not even Xenoverse and Heroes amps). Nothing makes sense anymore. I think Death Battle just likes Big Numbers to wow viewers./
>>146135561Ness can't beat Frisk and Ness vs Raz is a legacy matchup
>>146135694Why’re people pretending as if Bardockfags here in these very threads weren’t parading around scaling him to Namek saga speed feats from the very beginning and were suddenly a new development made by Death Battle?
>>146135650>Researchlol lmao they just say big numbers to justify who they want to win and ignore said numbers when doesn't suit them even if the official canon has hard numbers.
>>146131703Different versions of the same character.
>>146135673>That’s what I said yeah. Josuke’s body was getting controlled but CD was fine.Not his mind, though. That's a key difference.>Two issues with that. 1. RTZ activates BEFORE an attack or attempt at harming Giorno is made, and it can work against things that have been erased.King Crimson splashed blood on Giorno, remember? He also read his movements via Epitaph.>GER having an independent will of Giorno like Spice Girl means that it can detect what’s the best course of action to keep his user safeThat's not true. Once again, he is BOUND to Giorno's will. He is capable of independent action, not thoughts. If Giorno wants to die, GER wants to die.
>>146135619Virginku is city tier.
>>146135825And GER made it so that action never occurred in the first place without Giorno needing to be aware of it, and the actions that he read were from a reality that was fated to never be reached because of RTZ. Also what do you mean that isn’t true? Spice Girl literally constantly acts on her own to keep Trish safe automatically without her needing to say or do anything and constantly gives her advice on the best ways to stay safe, and GER is on the same conscious plane as her with the added bonus of being fully independent.
>>146133950Za Warudo?
>>146135162Kylo Ren fodder
>>146135199Guts is aboutta get his apology match…
>>146134821I feel like Bowser could easily counter the Time Eater.
>>146135897Kirito has like five different arguments for city level how does that constitute as an apology match?>uhhh Guts beats him up irl doe!!!Kirito shows that ape a flashlight and his brain explodes.
>>146135866>And GER made it so that action never occurred in the first placeAnd being charmed would mean he would never negate the charming in the first place, because he would like it.>and the actions that he read were from a reality that was fated to never be reached because of RTZNo, before that. He read GER firing the pebble at him and barely dodged. When he's rewround, it's after that happened.>Spice Girl literally constantly acts on her own to keep Trish safe automatically without her needing to say or do anything and constantly gives her advice on the best ways to stay safeSpice Girl isn't GER. Plenty of Stands have varying level of thought. If Giorno's will is killing himself or letting him be killed, GER, who explicitly says he's bound to Giorno's will, would allow it to happen.
>Eggman's IQ is just 300
>>146135904>>146135942MY HEROMY LIEGEMY BEAST
>>146135904Is this shit ever explained or are we supposed to assume Bowser can just spontaneously do this??
>>146130153>>146135112Jack Skellington reroll.
>>146135982It's literally never explained.For all we know Infinite Bowsers could show up at any time.
>>146134821Chaos and Zavok work for him in forces. Think they'll be part of this?
>>146135914No, the act of charming Giorno, or rather the act of trying to charm him, would be negated before it could even happen, like what went down with Diavolo. From Diavolo’s perspective, he did a perfect attack against Giorno and was about to kill him before everything suddenly went back to normal, but what actually HAPPENED was that nothing happened, because GER stopped it from occurring from the very beginning.>When he's rewround, it's after that happened.Yeah. And? He didn’t stage an attack until the moment he declared he was going to do so, and when he showed the intent to attack he got GER’d. The same would happen to Joker if he tried to charm Giorno, since that would be an attack against him.>Spice Girl isn’t GERThis is a consistent thing with automatic/conscious stands. Koichi wanted Yukako to go away but didn’t explicitly tell Echoes to do something to keep her back, but it still acted based on his desire for safety and used whooosh to blow her back (out).Spice Girl literally makes an entire plan for Trish to follow so that she’ll be safe from B.I.G.Other solo stands are also capable of automatic defense without the need for being told to explicitly do so, like Green Baby. There’s no reason to assume that GER somehow has a lower mental capacity than an infant.
>>146136004Those guys were Infinite Ruby Chaos and Zavok so they should be there.Real Chaos and Zavok probably won't be.
>>146136000Technically there is even an extra stupid way of making it happen via Bowser's brain being able to create stronger replicas of himself.https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Bowser_X
>>146136017Actually Eggman should have the Conch for controlling the Zetis as part of his kit, but it is a weird gray area.
>>146135518>>146135696Isn’t this a complete shitstomp? Unless Raz going into Ness’ mind is a huge trump card or something.
>>146135982I mean, I assume he used magic, but the circumstances of said magic are never explained.
>>146135942I want this to be the factor how Bowser beats Eggman, not his mcguffinsLike he hacks into the tech controlling the Time EaterImagine
>>146130153Louise (Touhou)
>>146135904>“I DID IT! I FINALLY KILLED THAT BLASTED TURTLE!! SAGE, METAL, GET THE CHAMPAGNE!”>Suddenly…
Sportacus bros....we're chest level?
>>146136140>Robbie Rotten versal object. When robbie rotten isn't lazy he outscales everyone, even him in a lazy state is practically invulnerable.
>>146136013>From Diavolo’s perspective, he did a perfect attack against Giorno and was about to kill him before everything suddenly went back to normal, but what actually HAPPENED was that nothing happened, because GER stopped it from occurring from the very beginning.That's not what happened though? Diavolo really DID throw blood at Giorno, Mista fired bullets, and the bee flew past Diavolo. Before he was able to donut Giorno, he started getting rewound. If that was true, Diavolo would have noticed the "illusion" immediately, but he didn't. Diavolo also REMEMBERS that he saw it. He never would have had deja vu if it never happened.>Yeah. And?It shows GER does not immediately reset any neutral/negative action.>Koichi wanted Yukako to go awayThat's the key issue. Their stands aligned with their interests, remember? GER negating Giorno being charmed would not align with his interests.
If Eggman's super form is used, he should be able to time travel without machines
Eggman (bitch ass name) or Bowser (Elegant name, big name, pure kingshipmanship)? Uh, this is not easy
>>146136189superforms can’t timetravel
>>146135999Noice
>>146136165>When robbie rotten isn't lazy he outscales everyoneI don't think so:https://imgur.com/1mUQEqi
>>146135999>>146136222>999>222N A N I ? ! ?
>>146136214Super forms can use chaos control by default and anyone using chaos control can time travel, that's how silver does it
>>146134007As a DragonBall fan,watching Goku getting killed and sodomized by Superman repeatedly makes me happy. As overcoming that will give him another mountain to climb.
>>146136223>robbieversal anchorMade out of neutron star matter btw
What if Bowser pays 350 coins to a Boo to steal the Chaos Emeralds?
>>146136239....in your headcanon.
>>146136234That’s not how silver does it, it used to be but the current running explanation is he gets randomly zapped back to the past and he doesn’t know whyAlso other characters using chaos control explicitly cannot use it and require assistance to even undo time travel (Sonic 06)
>>146136234Why doesn't Shadow use that to save Maria, then?
>>146136255That's the explanation on Silver's sonic channel profile
>>146136252…which is canon (the creator told me himself)
>>146136240King Boo is on his side, he'll let Bowser use a Boo for free. Maybe we'll even see Boolossus.
>>146136262That’s the old explanation on his profileIt was since replaced with the new explanationAnd like i said even before, only Silver could do it, noone else
>>146136111I sincerely hope tnanon imposes a rule next year about not being able to request the same series/IP back to back every day. It's fucking ridiculous that nearly every day of this month has been Ben 10 and Touhou (who suspiciously never seem to fucking miss their mark either)
>>146136259Because sega writes him as a retarded jobber This is the same guy who lost to Sonic and Knuckles in Rivals 2
>>146136266>Boolossus fuses with Atomic Boo to become Atomic Boolossus
>>146134673You didn't create galaxies. In the episode , he only created small planets.... But in that same episode Megakabutarimon Did destroy a universe but that universe was being contained inside a small mountain so I don't know...
>>146136281>SonkekLmao, who even does that?>My hero Chadklesunderstandable
>>146136287>Atomic Boolossus fuses with Boohemoth to become Atomic Boolosshemoth
>>146136266I wonder if King Boom-Boo counts as one of Eggman's allies.
>>146136262It was changed. Now he goes through mysterious portals that just appear
>>146136291>You didn't create galaxiestoo personal, chill out.
>>146136308He mentions this in IDW too, he just gets isekaiied to the past randomly
>>146134821Unless there's some way to scale something of Eggman's to at least Solaris, I think Bowser's gonna stomp
>>146130153Big Chill
>>146136293Chadow fucked Rouge btw
>>146136335…in my wet dreams, which i have nightly because like all shadowvirgins no woman would ever touch me due to my stench
>>146136335*watched Omega fuck Rouge from the cuck chair
>>146133953The doctor said I have cancer
>>146131339That shit was retarded because they based TJ’s strength off the standardized bounce height from an in game punch not anything from any lore.
>>146131256So you're telling me Buu's human extinction attack would wipe out the metaverse and solo Persona?
>>146130048One of the worst.Its funny Jojo lost, its not funny that it was due to stroking personafaggotry again.
>Heartless Tubba Blubba is point man and just tanks literally everything
>>146130063FPBPNarrative and direction was shit, based on clap/spectacle rather than being interesting
>>146130969>Joker is MAYBE planet level and even that is pushing it.Planet level? That seems overshooting it
>>146136418>L-Lord B-Bowser, Tubba was put in cage, what shall we do!?>Deploy the Tox-Boxes.
>>146136403Also thisI want to see SMT in general get fraud checked, but given how much wank Death Battle runs on, I doubt it
They will wank SMT even harder by having them beat a capeshit character
>>146136178No, GER was already activated once Diavolo started his attack. That’s why what he saw with Epitath didn’t happen. He didn’t attack when GER flicked that pebble at him, which is why he saw a true reality. GER didn’t just decide to start fucking with Diavolo the second he was about to kill Giorno. Even its stand sheet says that any ACTION against Giorno is set to 0, not any death threat.>but then why did he see himself killing Giorno in his hair?Because the fate of him killing Giorno was interrupted the minute he tried to stage an attack against him. That’s also why nothing that occurred in the reality Diavolo was meant to win in actually happened when everything went back to normal. Mista didn’t shoot his gun, the leaves didn’t fall, the blood didn’t fly, nothing. The only thing that happened in reality and Diavolo’s Epitaph was Giorno moving and punching his teeth in.>Diavolo would’ve noticed immediately No he wouldn’t. Part of GER’s thing is ignoring fate. >It shows GER does not immediately reset any neutral/negative action.No it doesn’t. It just shows that Diavolo went back to when he was shit talking.
>>146136453>SMT and Godzilla will replace DC and Marvel as the strongest verses
>>146136453Persona isnt even really SMT, a bunch of SMTfags hate persona more than anything.and Personafags dont even care about SMT is the salt in the wound.
What a fun thread. The seethe is palpable.
>>146136381>Buu kills all humanity thus not p5's metaversemakes sense
>>146130970>mogs them all
>>146136533Swan will take out his anger on simon
>>146136533Still couldn't mog Nia's death
Bowser and Eggman will destroy reality
>>146136562Nigga Simon literally admits he could do it but didn't want to play God.
>>146136467>No, GER was already activated once Diavolo started his attack.How do you know this? We saw things reverse after Diavolo started his attack.>Even its stand sheet says that any ACTION against Giorno is set to 0, not any death threat.That's contradicted by the manga. We saw Diavolo splatter blood on Giorno, and read his future.>The only thing that happened in reality and Diavolo’s Epitaph was Giorno moving and punching his teeth in.Why did Diavolo remember those things? He knew things weren't right. It doesn't matter if they were undone, they still happened.>No he wouldn’t. Part of GER’s thing is ignoring fate.Huh? Why wouldn't he notice his afterimages immediately, like he did part way, if they were there the whole time?>No it doesn't.It literally does. That was a neutral/negative reaction against Giorno and it wasn't reversed.Please give any source for the RTZ being in effect the entire time, that's the crux of your argument and there's no proof of it. The manga shows things contrary to what you say. We know that Diavolo splattered his blood, and he only noticed his afterimages until part way through. They're extremely clear, as well. He also had a deja vu effect. WHY would he see the blood reversing when it never actually happened in the first place? That wasn't part of his vision. Neither was Mista firing the bullets.
I hope Eggman has a bunch of cheesy and hammy quotes.>"NO WAY! I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!"
>>146133467Violence Jack? I’ll admit I haven’t finished it yet but Jack basically just seems to be a walking plot convenience.
why is there so much buthurt in this Thread when Joker outclasses Giorno in literally everything?
>Black Doom in Death Battle>He keeps sending the opponent to Radical Highway
>>146136574What a faggot, I’d bring my dead wife back.
>>146136585And Bowser says shit like>I'M THE KING OF AWESOME
>>146136617>"I mean you grind up the suspension cables like fswhhhh."
>>146136624Congratulations you just caused the Spiral Nemesis.
>>146136608Because years upon years of people gassing GER up failed on the big vs show. Just can’t really handle or comprehend it, I guess.>>146136617I find it funny how like, the first Radical Highway level happened BEFOFE Time Eater did his thing. Black Doom can just do that lol
>>146136474If they wanked Doctor Who to the same extent it could surpass them too
>>146136652Bowser said this to Eggman after he made Sage his new wife btw
>>146136665Bowser is a pedophile?
>>146135982How else do you think he keeps getting to Peach in the first place?
>Wonder Power>Dream Stone>Grand Stars>Star Rod>Jr's Paint>Sometimes he just randomly warps reality when boredBowser has so many different reality warping tools and Eggman doesn't even get his Archie stuffThis shit ain't fair
Sportacusbros.....we're frauds? Jokes? Homelander victims?https://imgur.com/2owPpzT
>>146136693That MY HERO Robbie Rotten, he is number 1Homelander couldn't move him either
>>146136693Why is Sportacus removing Robbie Rotten from that 100 year old great oak so he can cut it down? Is he evil?
>>146135215I don’t know much about Kirito but I’m curious if he even has a remote chance against Haseo
>>146136453Raidou vs Constantine is pretty popular. Maybe they'll have Demi-fiend fight Spectre or Etrigan (Spawn's comeback is for Ghost Rider).>>146136588I've only seen the OVAs, but I do know a bit more beyond that. Without getting too heavy into spoilers VJ is connected to the Devilman series, and from what I hear the power levels in that get crazy>>146136585You're getting Real Time Fandub quotes and you'll like it.
>giorno can turn teeth into jellyfishwhat if he punched Joker and turned his teeth into a box jellyfish
>>146136744Oh god they're gonna say >I'VE COME TO MAKE LE ANNOUNCEMENT at least once, aren't they
>>146136757It's already confirmed. That's the first line we hear from Eggman in the kickstarter video. Let's just hope that's the only reference. Maybe one more in his analysis part.
>>146135422>you take the ones on the right, I'll take the ones on the leftBut who's supposed to fight Morgana in this arrangement?
>>146136582>Mista firing his gun wasn’t part of his vision…what? Why do you think he dodged the gunshots in the first place? He saw them in his vision. Epitaph isn’t just a single screenshot, it’s an entire vision of the next ten seconds. He literally states that he can see everything that’s going to occur, including being shot at. >How do you know this?Because he literally didn’t move a step from where he was standing at once he showed the intent of attacking Giorno. His attack got negged before it could even begin.>they still happened.Let me spell it out for you. The big revelation that Diavolo has isn’t that his attack was rewound, it was that he didn’t do anything in the first place. You realize that Epitaph didn’t show everything rewinding right? If it was a basic rewind, Epitaph would’ve showed something completely different when Diavolo returned to his position, but it didn’t. It showed the same non existent thing that he thought happened.>Why did Diavolo remember those things?GER literally explains that what he saw/sees with Epitaph are actions that will happen, but WON’T because of RTZ. He still SAW them, but they never occurred in the first place.>that's the crux of your argument and there's no proof of it.You mean other than GER’s own words and the fact that what Diavolo saw with Epitaph/experienced was completely different from what ended up happening? If he simply rewound everything before Giorno got merked then why did Mista not fire his gun? That’s something that was both predicted by Epitaph and took place in the false reality while also happening around the same time as Giorno’s stand rush, and yet it just never occurred.
>>146136639If he's so powerful why can't he make a universe where the spiral nemesis doesn't happen but spiral power can still be used
>>146136234I think the generations remake retconned that, you need two people using chaos control to time travel now
>>146136710I don't think so:https://imgur.com/3nvYaJ2https://imgur.com/ctDLLEA
>>146136945That hole?ONESHOTS Omni-Man
>>146136710Robbie can barely move himself:https://imgur.com/fAZBgJb
>>146136965Robbie FRAUDren can't breathe in space:https://imgur.com/PRkSL6I
>>146136744I know about that connection, frankly though, at least in the main Devilman things don’t seem to get too crazy, Grimoire seems to get kinda nuts though but I haven’t finished it yet
>>146136970He's training under x1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times Earth's gravity btw>>146136994Photoshop
>>146130048it feels like the most divisive matchups they have are ones where one side definitively statstomps but the other character has access to some ridiculously busted hax or ability that makes people ask "yeah but can they even get through X" so DB pulls an answer out of their ass for the sake of spectacle even if it's technically dubious to anyone familiar with source material
>>146137006>He's training under x1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times Earth's gravity btwHeadcanon. >>146136994Cope.
>>146136994>ren>can't even spell his name rightThis is a anti-lazy town spy, he won't even post the robbie rotten cannon ball tank feat.
new thread?
>>146137072sorry we're out of new threadsthis is the last one
>>146137049>Robbie rotted Jobs to random pits.
>>146137074Finally... we're free...
