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>>2863458
Impact drivers are a meme, impact wrenches like the one on your pic are not a meme. Idk maybe back in the day when cordless drills/normal drivers were weak as fuck an impact driver might of made sense. I must admit I fell for the meme myself, my very first cordless tool I bought was an m12 impact driver. Looking back if I could do it all over again I would get pic rel instead or just straight 18v Makitas as I am starting to feel 12v is a meme as well

>What am I missing?
Like you said, a use case for them. Or brains.
I'd say they are unnecessary for most home /diy/ers but come in very handy when working with any heavy machinery on even a semi-regular basis. Or any nuts and bolts bigger than your finger in general.

>>2863496
> use-case is heavy machinery
The use-case is for retards that don’t know or have a breaker and don’t know they have to torque it to a specific value. Basically, stupid, lazy and/or ignorant.
There are cases where you see impacts in factories with torque pre-sets but you can’t afford those. They also do shit like log the torque and the assy serial no. on the computer.
Nowadays, they exist in the homeowner space as the motors in the 3.7 V days were anaemic, and you’re wife will buy a kit with a drill and an impact for fathers day in the hopes you will fucking fix shit around the house without knowing that (a) you won’t be doing it with an impact, and (b) you probably won’t be doing it at all.

>>2863458
You're correct that average Joe doesn't need one, they are mainly for large bolts. One advantage of the impact driver for smaller (but not very small) bolts is that you don't get the same hand-twisting reverse torque that a combi drill has, so it's maybe more comfortable to use when you're driving a lot of screws or bolts at once. I only got an impact wrench when buying a small excavator, since even the smaller bolts on it were in the range of "twisting my hand hard with the drill", and the drill couldn't tighten the M12 bolt on the quick attach.

impact driver is the thinking mans tool

>>2863508
>they’re in every combination set
This is the irritating part. I’m trying to switch battery platforms, and the kits make too much sense, but why do they all include a drill AND an impact driver. It just makes no sense.

>>2863508
>Or brains.
you dont have this one
drill is for drilling holes, driver/wrench is for everything else

>>2863458
an impact gun is fastens screws faster than a drill does. time is money

>>2863458
Impact drivers are great at getting bolts loose, not at tightening them. If you're working on your car, chances are you're going to need one at some point. Though there's also hand-operated ones that you literally hit with a hammer, and 90% of the time, those are good enough.

>>2863458
impact wrenches are useful when you're dealing with rusted fasteners or fasteners under a considerable amount of torque. you're less likely to strip or break a fastener with careful application of an impact wrench than you are with a breaker bar. ive personally snapped wheel studs by mistake with just a tire iron.

impact drivers are very useful for driving big ass lag bolts into wood,

>>2863523
>some cunt repeats a line he read somewhere else
>act like he’s intelligent because of this
Sad, many such cases. Terminal redditor syndrome

>>2863458
The only time I ever use my drill to pre-drill screw holes is when the wood is likely to split. All other cases I use my impact.

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>>2863496
>Like you said, a use case for them. Or brains.
that's literally what the thread is asking, a use case for the typical buyer, that would justify the popularity, dipshit

I don't like how a drill feels

>>2863547
based

>>2863538
Have you never needed to drive some screws into wood?

>>2863555
no but i've wanted to fellate drill users

>>2863535
Sometimes it's easier to predrill and then use the impact to push the screw in, like with big structural screws going into places they weren't meant for.

I like my impact driver (Ridgid of some sort). I assumed a 1/4" impact would be shit, but works on a surprising number of nuts & bolts in a car engine with a flex shaft where a ratchet would be a bastard. And for woodworking, lets me keep my pilot hole and countersink bit on the drill and the driver on the impact driver so I don't have to switch bits. I haven't done sheetmetal work in a long while, but seems like the self-tapper setting could be nice when I do some more of it.

>>2863558
If I'm planning ahead well, I'll just by self drilling screws and use the impact, like if I'm screwing into thin metal

>>2863562
Not that I would make it a habit, but my impact driver has something like 260ft-lbs and was able to take off wheel lugs in a pinch. I was surprised, doubly so that the 1/4 to 1/2 adapter didn't snap on me.

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>>2863458
>I don't understand what the fucking point of impact drivers is
>post pic of impact wrench
Well first, you should get your definitions straight.

One of these is a drill that’s good for like 500in-lbs if torque. One of these is a small impact driver that’s good for >1000in-lbs of torque. One of these is a small impact wrench that will do 3000in-lbs.

There’s plenty of jobs where you want all that peak torque instead of a motor spinning at a constant speed with lower torque.

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>>2863547
>>2863512
The size difference is one if the nicest things, and that little one punches harder than the big drill because of the genius of the impacting mechanism.

>>2863458
Impact will loosen a lot of shitty bolts that would strip when using a wrench or spanner. Because it hammers at not exactly the same spot every time.

t. classic motorcycles guy

>>2863576
and the impact wont rape your wrist when it gets stuck or bottons out a nut

>>2863555
I have and I used one of the lower clutch settings, then increased it a bit until it would disengage at the point when the screw was nicely right under the surface of the wood, without any risk of overrilling it, all while ever using maybe 30% of the torque my battery powered drill has tops. impact drivers don't even have a clutch

Impact drivers are handy as hell for driving long wood screws or lag bolts. I don't do a ton of woodworking so mine have a 1/4 hex to 3/8 square adapter in them 95% of the time and get used as a small impact wrench around the shop. They are great with nut drivers for putting in self tapping screws and other hex headed metal screws. I use them for running taps with tap driver sockets. Hell I have even thrown a hex shank step bit in them and used them for drilling holes in steel where my drill wouldn't fit due to size constraints.

TLDR: do more than sit on your ass browsing 4chan and you'll find they are quite a useful tool.

drives in tek screws

>>2863589
> my wrists
drill/drivers have had clutches for 30 years.
…and things like the holehawg are generally for men.

>>2863590
And an impact driver will do it faster and with less fatigue because you're not having to constantly counteract all the torque of driving the screw.

I use my m12 impact driver as a stubby impact wrench. I do a lot of ATV/SxS work as a side hustle because I live in a little village near a public lake where there are a lot of retirees and they passed an ordinance allowing those things on the public roads, and every fucking boomer has one. it's hella convenient to have one tool that can turn all my 3/8" and 1/4" sockets and also run down self-tappers, then also tighten or remove the recess hex screws all the cheap chinese accessories for these things come with.

>>2863467
Might they of? Drills used to not of much power, so there may of been a time when someone would of to of the two different tools.
You really do of some good points. I, for one, would very much like to hear more of what you of to say. Do you of a website? Or maybe you of a newsletter or a blog I can subscribe to?

>>2863602
> faster?
You’ve never used either, nor have you seen them being used.
A drill or driver is about 4 times faster than an impact.

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>>2863593
> handy as hell
> i don’t do a lot
Yeah. If you did, you sure as shit wouln’t be using an impact.

>>2863616
>>2863616
not to mention that after the first screw, you have the exact torque needed for the rest of the screws going into the piece of wood, furniture you're assemblying, etc. and you can just quickly push the trigger time after time without worrying about applying too much force. it makes the whole exercise not just 4 times, but probably an order of magnitude faster, you not more.

>>2863597
>>2863616
>>2863617
>>2863623
t. spends all day watching that fat angry boomer in his garage on Youtube drive lags into 4x4s with the most powerful Flex drill and lithium stack battery available while complaining that the impact driver is 0.2 seconds behind.

That fat fuck is so obnoxious. And the clutch isn’t an automatic depth stop on a drill, anybody whose driven a screw knows this. Your “depth setting” will be useless whem the 2nd or 3rd screw hits a knot in the wood.

>>2863629
Holy shit… buy an ad TTI/SB&D 25 cent army marketing dweeb. You’re embarrassing the company.

>>2863458
>Why do people get them?
I dunno, they just come in the tool combo packs I bought.
>What do you use them for?
Changing tires and jacking my car. I'm not doing that shit manually.

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>>2863633
My Ridgid tools with their Lifetime Service Agreement don’t need an ad. Their combination of performance and vakue sell themselves!

>>2863629
>And the clutch isn’t an automatic depth stop on a drill, anybody whose driven a screw knows this
no shit, can you even read you retarded strawmaning tripfaggot? are you even able to form your own thoughts without having some phantom eceleb to fall back on?

>>2863616
>>2863623
That must be why the people whose actual job is to drive screws into wood and do it quickly use drills. Oh wait.

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>>2863496
>>2863510
>>2863528
>tfw he doesn't know the difference between an impact "driver" and an impact "wrench"
kys dumbass faggots
>>2863529
>>2863593
>he doesn't pre drill lagbolts
ngmi kys, go use a nail gun if you like driving wedges so much faggot
>>2863562
>>2863567
You assumed correctly; 1/4" impact anything is shit, there's no power you can transmit through that little shaft of yours that a driver/drill can't do.
>>2863602
>faster
Lol lmao even
>getting fatigued driving drywall screws into wood
Maybe if you were a 3lb midget with anorexia
>>2863629
>muh depth stop
Just use your eyes dumb nigger and stop screwing into knots
>>2863650
They're not using impact drivers like retards that's for sure

>>2863656
> professional driver
…waitaminute… that doesn’t look like an impact. why not get the impact version?

>>2863467
That's not an impact though. It's just a drill/driver with interchangeable heads. I have the same one and it's handy for small projects and furniture work.

>>2863656
That's a screw gun for shit like drywall, which you could easily use a 12v drill for. I was talking about shit like construction, decking.

>>2863648
It’s not strawmanning when people claim the clutch as the main selling point of the drill. Meanwhile impacts have multiple speedd and sheet metal screw settings, and everything had a variable speed trigger these days which is about as useful as the clutch if you have any control of your digits.

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>>2863662
>That's not an impact though
That's the whole point
>>2863663
>a-ackchually
You mean like this? Same shit, nigger what are you talking about? Who's actual job is to drive screws in all day in a construction site besides drywallers? Everybody else is driving nails, shit even some drywallers don't even use screws.

>>2863575
>post pic of impact wrench
>Well first, you should get your definitions straight.
a picture is not a definition and it was literally the first pic I got when googling makita impact driver

>>2863508
>torque it to a specific value
Lmao

I got mine free with a battery.

I don't need it but it's nice to have a driver on one and a drill bit on the other, so I don't have to fiddle with the chuck

>>2863665
the strawman you made was about the imaginary claims of claims about the clutch being an automatic depth stop no one made, instead of being a torque stop, which is exactly what they are, and you're strawmaning again against an imaginary argument variable speed triggers existing. yeah, they exist and are probably as useful, but having an additional clutch that will always stop supplying power at a certain torque is just quicker and more consistent

>>2863673
>thats the point
He said he bought a 12v impact driver. That picture isn't of an impact.
>Who's actual job is to drive screws in all day in a construction site besides drywallers
Let's see
Guys putting up exterior sheet metal walls
HVAC
Electricians
Anyone working with that stupid metal stud framing that everyone loves using in commercial construction
There's more to "construction" than residential, faggot.

>>2863673
And do you notice how that thing requires a handle hanging off the side to counteract the torque so you don't break your wrist? No one's saying a drill can't drive a screw, it's just a subpar way of doing it. An impact will fit into smaller spaces and require just one hand.

>>2863458
>What am I missing?
a brain?
critical thinking?

I have a 1/4 inch impact driver because when I want to drive a 2, 3, or 4 inch screw I don't want any of this "uhhh I can't do it, I'm too weak".

also poor detected.

>>2863508
if all we ever had was a car that drove only the speed limit, we'd all be driving ladas. but we drive cars that have the power to pass, haul, and give us speed when we need it. you are and idiot.

>>2863458
I use mine with a wire brush a lot. If I do light drilling, like putting a plastic anchor in a wall I would use it. I use it with 1/4 sockets(I wish mine had a clutch). I took lug nuts off with it once just for laughs.

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>>2863675
Do better.

>>2863738
I hate to break this to you, but there are different drills and drivers out there, with different capabilities and almost all of them have variable speed triggers.
You’re comparing ordinary cars to something like a cybertruck, over-priced and under-powered crap that nobody needs (the impact driver).

The impact driver is really only good for one thing: loosening (breaking) stuck, small-ish, nuts and bolts.

I admit, they look cool, especially the stubby ones, but I’ve never needed one. My only impact is a right-angle impact since I use both things rarely might as well put them both in one thing.

I tried using it on my car tires… with that little hex shank adapter to 3/8… lol… it wouldn’t budge them, but damaged the chrome plating. Probably good for things in the 1/4” #20 area. I think thats like m4 for the eu.

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>>2863683
Nigger I literally stated "I would get pic rel", you short attention span non-reading retard, kys
>>2863694
>And do you notice how that thing requires a handle hanging off the side to counteract the torque so you don't break your wrist?
Noooo lmfao, you're not going to break your wrist driving screws; that handle is there to guide the thing. Here's something similar
https://youtube.com/shorts/hqGw7ndJvGE?si=K8bi2YzeNVDQGnq2
What I'm saying is that impact drivers (yes the ones with the little collets that take 1/4" bits) are obsolete at best and a meme at worst. It's like a jack of all trades but it sucks at all of them, this is why I say they're for weekend warriors/homeowners that understandably don't give a fuck. Ideally you'll have the tool made for the job. Need to fit in small spaces? Right here >>2863467 Need it for big bolts? Get one like OP's pic or a 1 incher. Fixing cars? Get pic rel. Need to drive screws with one hand for real? Get this >>2863656 or a magnetic drive guide. You get the point

>>2863757
and what is the tool of choice for driving screws into metal?

>>2863597
and when was the last time you used it? other than pretending to mow down your coworker

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>>2863782
if you're going to drive 1000+ self tappers through sheet metal and steel tubing with a drill you are a time wasting moron and i'd kick you off my job site to get someone that knows what they're doing.

>>2863787
>t. retarded boomer
Drills/Drivers/Screwguns are all faster at screwing than your shitpact driver, decrepit old fool
>muh 1 gorillion self tappers
Just use one of these >>2863656 you dumb retarded crustheaded faggot, kys

>>2863793
mad because wrong

filtered

>>2863458
>the torque most drills have is already an overkill for every bolt or nut 99% of people buying these tools will come across in their lifetime.

You underestimate many DIYers self very much included. The time having both saved me over the years made them and my other cordless equipment a bargain. Multiple tools are a feature not a bug, for example the multiple angle grinders welders rock to avoid constant attachment swaps (I've cordless and corded grinders too.)

Not everyone is some troon hanging its first picture or a housewife who would be fine with a hand crank drill and screwdriver. An enormous number of DIYers wrench our vehicles including drivetrain swaps, suspension work and much more.

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>>2863757
>It's like a jack of all trades
Now you got it anon! Impact drivers are great! They will drive screws that would be difficult to handle, and you can stick a socket adapter in there and they become a compact impact wrench that will zip off every 10mm bolt on your Honda in no time, provided you can find a 10mm socket. And the great thing about impact drivers it that they’re like half the size of drills, so they will fit inside a cabinet to drive screws no problem, and they fit inside the closet with your air handler better than a drill for when you need to remove all those sheet metal screws. Plus once you use your impact driver for a few jobs, you get to know the torque and they’re very predictable with the variable speed trigger, like another half a second of uggas at half speed and that screw will be set just right. And if you have one if the newest impact drivers, the settings make it even easier!

>>2863814
I always shill the impact drivers when Anon’s getting his first kit because it makes sense financially snd when it comes to work. The time will always come where you want to drill a pilot hole and then send a screw into that hole… like I was doing with some Tapcons yesterday.

If you’re getting a starter setup, the sales are always like $99 for a drill and one battery, or $149 for a drill, impact driver, and two batteries. The extra $50 is worth it to get a second battery so you can have one on the charger if you have a job with tons of drilling, and the impact driver is a bonus.

If you only have used drills in the past, you will love an impact once you get it and start using it in tight and awkward spots.

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>>2863827
>provided you can find a 10mm socket.
Not a problem.
(also available in deep-well)

>>2863787
> time wasting
You took 4 times as long to strip every one of those 1000+ screws and would have suffered permanent hearing loss from all the impacting noise…

j/k… you’ve never seen a jobsite and are already deaf…

>>2863829
No! You have to make the sockets out of chinese pot metal, paint them black, and quadruple the price before the dumbass impacteers will re-buy them on the same subscription plan they buy their screw driving bits. One bit per screw, fuckulate both with your impact, use new bit and new screw on next fastening point. Have new guy work behind you to try and remove jammed bit stuck in every screw.

>>2863787
There's no way the drill isn't faster than the impact. The drill delivers full torque at near-maximum RPM, the impact slows down to a crawl when it's hitting with the hammer.

>>2863830
>you’ve never seen a jobsite and are already deaf…
kek
#shotsfired

>>2863596
Youre supposed to use a drill for Tek and self tapping screws

>>2863458
>impact driver
thats an impact wrench
>needs to handle screws rated at high torques
screws dont have torque rating? long screws are very easy to drive with an impact driver, or do you really mean an impact wrench?
>why buy one together with a combi drill
because long screws will twist your wrist a lot with a drill, so working on ladders screwing up to 200mm screws is a lot easier. if youre talking about an impact wrench, stuck bolts come off very well with impacts, because it slowly inches the bolt or nut loose, by kicking loose debri, and theyre very fast. using a combi drill to drive bolts regularly sounds like something a madman would do. the torque settings on the clutch are inaccurate and suitable for bolts less than 10mm head size, which are used rarely on most appliances. even though the drill has enough torque to drive up to 17mm head size bolts probably, youll need to use the drill setting, which means the drill will not have nearly enough lever arm to not break your wrist when the bolt snaps closed.
>or even with combi drill
see above, different purpose

well the rest of your mongering makes me think youre one of the resident tripfags trying to find out how your tools work and what work are they suitable for

>>2863508
Really not sure if this is some Engineering student kid who has completely distanced himself from normal work with machines or an elaborate troll. Or maybe youre the reason car repairs are so expensive now, this deadass hard worker keeps working dumb and pulls out the torque ratchet for every bolt.

>>2863737
>I have a 1/4 inch impact driver because when I want to drive a 2, 3, or 4 inch screw I don't want any of this "uhhh I can't do it, I'm too weak".
ok, so it's for DYELs who can't easily handle a 6'' 2 pound drill in their girly hands. it's funny it's always the dumbest faggots talking about critical thinking
>I'm gonna consoom
post car keys

>>2863458
Ever notice on a lot of hammer drills that there’s a switch or clutch ring position to turn off the hammer action?

On an impact they could do the same, but the motor… by itself with whatever gears they put in those things… is simply unable to drive a 1” #8 screw into a pre-drilled hole in soft, construction grade spruce lumber.

So, they got the chinese factories involved, and they’re like “we have lots of this molten slag from pig iron… maybe we could put it in the drill to make it heavy and noisy so the yanks would think it has more power, just like the little honda civics with loudeners instead of mufflers”

And thus the modern impact was born.

>>2863840
>mongering
take your meds, I'm literally asking a question and no shit I don't know how it works in practice, other than its mechanism of action, I thought I made it clear I've never owned one. why the fuck would I be making this thread otherwise?

>>2863843
A few companies make what you’re describing. It’s much slower spinning than an impact driver without all of the torque. It’s made for people with arthritis who have trouble holding a regular screwdriver and aren’t doing any real work that requires torque. It’s basically a drill missing all of the features that make modern cordless drills super useful, and it’s almost an impact driver but without the thing that puts the word “impact” in “impact driver”.

Also impact tools have been around for a long ass time. The people who don’t understand why they exist are ignorant.

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>>2863853
>>2863843

>>2863854
Ah I always wondered what the audience for this tool was.

>>2863855
I honestly wouldn’t mind the thing laying on the workbench, would be good for removing a bunch of little torx screws from electronics. I use my 12V impact driver for that a lot but there’s certain things where you want to make sure you don’t pull the trigger hard enough to hammer or the screw will be stripped in that recycled Chinese plastic real quick.

I’ll probably snag one of those Vessel battery screwdrivers one of these days since my arthritis isn’t too bad yet.

>>2863854
I guess if you gear something down enough…

>>2863458
That drill is for working on cars. You can rattle the wheel nuts off like your in the pit lane at Bathurst

>>2863842
drills are shit for driving screws. you'd know this if you diy.

>post car keys
to which car? I have 2 and a truck.

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>>2863756
>The impact driver is really only good for one thing: loosening (breaking) stuck, small-ish, nuts and bolts.
it also works great for driving screws and can drive them far easier than any drill. you can even drill with one. you really should stop talking.

>>2863829
that's only a five day supply.

>>2863830
the cope is strong with this one.

I'm starting to see a pattern. you can't handle an impact driver so you slunk back to a drill because babby couldn't get good.

>>2863836
but it keeps going when the drill stalls.

>>2863843
the high pitched squeal of the onions

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>>2863797
kys retard
>>2863827
Here's what you don't get, even though you've probably already done it yourself. Eventually you will end up buying all of the other power tools because you will run into a situation where the pos shitpact driver won't cut it or just doesn't feel right/optimal; and at the end off all this you're going get a compact screwdriver because now all of your bases are covered and you don't need a shitpact just to tighten some outlet screws. So you might as well skip the shitpact driver and start buying everything else.
>>2863828
>starter setup
That's exactly what they are and who they're marketed for—people who don't know any better, and once you've realized shitpact drivers are retarded you gain some wisdom and buy the other tools.

>>2863830
ever heard of ppe?

Pros:
>Smaller
>Lighter
>Doesn't strip screw heads as much -- see Wandel's video about it, also just see for yourself in the real world.

Cons:
>Loud

I build a lot of decks.
I have a tiny lil hilti impact driver that I use all the the time.
It drives screws. Even the lags for ledgers. No problem.
I've done it with a regular drill too. Counteracting the torque is annoying. Setting the clutch so it doesn't overtorque often doesn't work the way I want it to -- rough lumber isn't very consistent as far as how much torque it takes to drive a fastener, so that clutch means sometimes I'm overdriving and sometimes I'm underdriving. Much easier to just forget the clutch and use my own brain to decide when to let off the trigger.
I am not deaf, I wear my earmuffs. I would wear them even if I didn't use an impact driver because I am also using various noisy saws.

impact driver really is the great filter

>>2863953
>eventually you will become an adult and realize you would rather spend the money on the rignt tool for the right job than waste time and bust knuckles
What an interesting observation anon

>>2863847
Sorry, mixed you up with the ignorant retards claiming theyre useless, or worse some chinese conspiracy to sell bad steel. Resident tripfags get me on edge, such annoying bitches.

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>>2864282
I’m here all day!

>>2863458
Anything beyond a 3" screen needs a driver
They also take wayyyy less power to put screws in

Also, there are a lot of /diy/-adjacejt pros here

I'm a professional handyman myself and always have 1 drill and 2 drivers on the truck

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>>2863975
> Counteracting the torque is annoying
I agree. An impact ultimately needs to apply the same torque, but it does it in short bursts like ABS brakes.

The damage to your arms and wrists is the same, if not worse (assuming you have the sense to let go of a drill or use the vfd trigger if it grabs).

Luckily millwalkee makes special bits that eliminate all the extra torque that an impact delivers, when you’re driving phosphate drywall screws on copper pipe clamps so they deteriorate within a year for your callback due to galvanic action.

They do this with a dozen trademarked buzzwords that don’t mean anything hoping that the 4 fallout 76 players will think it’s cool.

Luckily those tips twist to absorb all the extra torque out of the impact rendering it useless so you go buy a non-impact driver and throw away those pot-metal bits.

>>2863458
Does anyone here even build anything? Impact driver with ball joint style adapters makes mechanic work much easier. You know the good ones have good triggers and you can even fasten delicate bolts with them? I do final tightening on important stuff by hand but still. I swear 4chan is becoming shittier on all boards every single day.

>>2863458
That's an impact wrench used to break off nuts. An impact driver is like a drill with a hammering force on it to help it turn screws. People like to say you can put in screws fine with a drill (And you can) but in my experience the quick change bit is nice and the hammer action turning the screw makes it go in easier and faster. Of course if you don't put a lot of screws in there's no point getting both, but I've rebuilt my whole house and I'm in the process of putting in a privacy fence and I can't imagine putting in thousands upon thousands of screws with only a drill.

>>2863597
>using the clutch
These chinese screws must conform to my will or be destroyed.

I use an impact driver to remove fasteners on boats. Very much less likely to round out than a regular drill (even with clutch) and very much less likely to break a fastener shaft. I like the drivers because of lower power over wrenches and you don't need a 1/4 adapter eating up your length. Remember though, I say less likely because more often than not you can't avoid it. However turning it from 60% of turned off heads to 30% turned off heads saves you hours in the sun dealing with the fasteners alone, not considering having to reglass some of the worst areas. The whole 10 minute job turning into a 10 hour job is not a meme when salt is involved.

I use my drills specifically for drilling. Rare occasions I would use for fastening is when fastening glass, ceramic or other brittle materials. Ideally you would do it by hand but speed it in with the clutch set near zero incase you bottom out, which you are careful to avoid in the first place.

Anyone else in here never use the clutch setting on their drill? I swear it pisses me off more than anything. Be drilling some steel and it will torque out on me, look down and the damn ring got turned to the clutch setting again... Fuck you clutch! I need to look at milwaukees offerings again. If they made a beefy low speed regular style drill (not right angle hole hawg style) with say a 2 or 3 speed transmission, no hammer function and no clutch then that would be perfect for what I use a drill for 98% of the time.

>>2864398
My drill has a trigger that spins the rotating chuck faster or slower depending on how much you press it. If i press it a tiny amount, i can get it to spin at, like, .1 rpm. Or, i can press it all the way in for full blast.

With this device, I’ve never needed a chuck.
My drill is a corded model (makita) about 45 years old noe. I’m guessing new cordlesses and impact thingies don’t have a trigger that does this???

I’ve seen them with 2 and 3 speed settings on the top, but that still seems like a step backward.

>>2864402
Practically every drill made has a variable speed trigger. If you run it real low speed while pushing hard it will just get hot. That is where the gearing comes into play.

>>2863611
>of
made me kek

My impact driver gets more use than my drill or impact wrench. Way better at driving screws than the drill.

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There is no need for the tripfags on this board

Genuine question, what would be good for the "every bolt or nut 99% of people buying these tools will come across in their lifetime" that isn't a manual tool?

>>2864389
> Very much less likely to round out than a regular drill
Physically impossible. The instantaneous torque applied is extremely good at rounding boltheads.
Ever try and break a bolt with an open ended wrench by hitting it with a hammer? What happened? It rounded the bolt head and the wrench either went flying or embedded itself in the bolt. Just like impacts do.
> However turning it from 60% of turned off heads
Again, it’s a well-known problem that impacts break screw/bolt heads with a much higher frequency.

It’s literally why impact rated sockets and bits exist… to prevent them from blowing out and/or cracking.

Non-impact drills feel weak and girly

Impacts are authoritative and masculine

>>2864498
>Ever try and break a bolt with an open ended wrench by hitting it with a hammer? What happened?
When I didn’t allow the wrench to get all crooked and slip, the shock from the hammer cracked loose the bolt that was stuck in place from years of heat and weather. It works great when you can’t get an impact in there.

>>2864477
I recommend getting a regular 1/4” hex impact driver and running it with a socket adapter for all of the small stuff. You can get like 200ft-lb rated 1/4” impact drivers in all sorts of kits for cheap, they drive screws like a champ, and they will do 90% of the jobs a mechanic would use a 3/8” or compact 1/2” impact wrench for.

If you have that covered, the best “cover it all” for automotive work and stuff, it would definitely be one of the newer model mid-torque brushless 1/2” impact wrenches. They’re getting so compact they’re about the size of a drill, and the newer mid-torques can do 500+ lbs now. The high torques are so heavy that they’re not fun to use all the time, and the >500lb mid torques will do almost everything you would come across on a passenger car unless it’s a complete rust bucket with a welded on axle nut.

>>2863458
The smaller impacts are critical for a lot of carpentry. They have a lot of overlap with standard drills, but there are specific advantages to either. The best impacts are extremely low profile, brushless, have speed and trigger controls. These things clean house on most assembly and install tasks while the drill is mostly important for accepting an index of bits and hole saws.

>>2864534
> The smaller impacts are critical for a lot of carpentry
yeah, sam maloof swore by them. that’s why carpentry only really started in like 2007 when the first cordless impacts became available.

>>2863843
> weak motor
This rings true, since I don’t see any corded impact drivers. It was probably to make up for the tiny motors and weak ni cd batteries of the time for cordless ones.

I’m not saying that corded impacts don’t exist, but I’ve never seen one.
And no, I’m not talkin about impact wrenches.

>>2864370
>You know the good ones have good triggers and you can even fasten delicate bolts with them?
ofcourse not, its fullspeed or no speed
t.drilltard

>>2863860
>Vessel battery screwdrivers
see that I can see owning, I wouldn't mind a precision small electric screwdriver.

>>2863623
This is such a stupid fucking post. Wood is not uniform. You're a true faggot posing as a knowledge broker. Imagine using the choke to drive fasteners. Pathetic. Just hand the tool to your wife's boyfriend.

>>2863458
Nobody drives screws with this tool you fucking retard.

>>2864573
Are you brain damaged anon?

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>>2863458
Nah, what you don’t get is that the retards that are consumers cannot the concept of a clutch or hammer drill. they may have barely grasped righty tighty as concrete abstraction. So then when the bit gets stuck in a work piece they feign surprise as a 5Ah lithium ion bricks them in the jaw at 600 RPM. Truth is, I like impacts because BRAPBRAPBRAP and with adjustable torque button even better, but if I had to choose obviously the drill is most utilitarian.

>>2864652
I do. A 1/2" impact wrench with a t30 impact socket for driving 2.5" metal to metal self tappers through trailer floors. An impact driver can do it but they're noticeably slower

>>2863528
>hit with a hammer, and 90% of the time, those are good enough.
Those are fucking impossible to use in tight areas and require 2 hands.

>>2864652
I have a 1/2" to 1/4" hex adapter specifically so I can drive and remove screws with my half inch impact. Saves having to haul an extra power tool with me on the job site.

>>2864674
>adjustable torque button
Isn’t this standard on like every modern cordless drill?

>>2863458
>God knows how much torque
Or you could just look it up. Torque ratings are not a state secret.

>>2864737
Yes, but not cordless impacts.

There was no torque to bother adjusting, it was always just full blast. Mainly, this is because the spring loaded impact hammers inside the head only work at a very specific frequency. Kind of like resonance.

The torque test channel does some impact head cutaways while running, so you you’d be able to see why impacts are only one speed (or, only work well at one specific speed).

>>2864783
>impacts are only one speed
Have you used an electric impact in the last 15 years?

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>>2864783
See >>2864791

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>>2864802
Nice software controlled buttons…

lol… oh, my sides... They forgot to change the firmware with the 1/2 version to pretend it has more power.

Also, “2” is about the same as “auto”
Just some buttons to play with, like those activity sets you strap to a play pen.

> foreman: hey fred, what are you doing there in the bathroom with your laptop and your little vibrating ridgid tool?
> fred: I’m modding the firmware on my impact wrench so I can more effectively drive 1 1/4” screws instead of the 1 1/2” screws I was driving yesterday. Be out in a few hours.

>>2864814
You clearly don’t understand how any of this works, right? There are tools where you can get the same size and power tool with different anvil sizes depending on which size sockets you want to use on it and what application you’re using it for.

And then sometimes there’s a smaller tool with a smaller anvil, and a larger tool with a larger anvil for larger sockets, and they look almost the same in pictures if you live behind a computer screen and never use them, but in the real world the 1/2” is actually much larger and heavier than the 3/8” version with a similar design and the larger motor in the 1/2” has a lot more power!

Also do a little reading about how the auto function works. And learn basic physics. A hammer blow at lower speed does a lot less work than a hammer blow at a higher speed, evem if both hammers are the same weight!

Because you factually need one to put self-tappers into metal framing.

Terms to make sure you are not conflating:
>Impact driver
>Impact wrench
>Hammer drill
>Rotary hammer
All of these are useful sometimes. Sometimes the sometimeses overlap but not usually.

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>>2864845
Don't forget
>Impact Drill

>>2863514
>but why do they all include a drill AND an impact driver

Why is a trifle so desperately intensely important? Prices are trivial and multiple tools mean fewer attachment swaps plus swappable anvils make impacts useful for 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drive sockets. Is there some odd world where more tools are not better than otherwise?

>>2863581
>t. classic motorcycles guy

As am I. For bikes the best tool for large, high torque fasteners that suck to remove like Harley compensator nuts is not an impact which is rough on bearings and other parts. I should have bought a manual torque multiplier forty years ago. I can remove a red Loctited compensator nut using one hand and a long ratchet or breaker bar (and the usual plastic primary chain stepped wedge or brass door hinge sprocket lock trick. You can also use them to precisely apply torque when building crankshafts.

https://www.x4tool.com/torque-multipliers/3-4-inch-torque-multipliers is the style. Neiko make decent tools so their cheaper version is probably good.


Mine was surp but had I known their awesomeness I'd gladly have shat the money for new. Some mechanics use them (and a press to hold the socket in place) to remove and install HD and other crankpin nuts. Since those are shallow I grind the chamfer off any socket I use on shallow nuts. Those chamfers exist to guide the broach during manufacturing when it cuts the internal flats.

>>2864850
That's fucked up

>>2864868
It's actually great for ship augers and large hole saws. Plenty of torque to drill through but doesn't grab and break your wrist.

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>>2864850
>>2864868
>>2864874
Anon is fucking up the terms again

They’re sold as “Impact wrenches” with a 7/16 hex.

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impact drivers are cool, they're better at driving screws. I was trying to drive 4" screws through weathered wood and my dewalt drill/driver just couldn't finish the job and left the screws sticking out just a tiny bit. my impact did however. it's nice because I don't have to predrill anymore, I just zip screws in unless I'm worried about splitting.

your pic however is an impact wrench. I just got pic rel after lusting after it for years and I can't wait to do my truck's suspension with it.

>>2864889
If you never owned an ugga dugga, it’s so nice for automotive stuff just because it knocks like 30min off the most simple job like a tire rotation or a brake job or anything that requires pulling all 4 wheels.

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>>2864845
>>Impact driver

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>>2864845
>>Impact wrench

>>2864845
>Hammer drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH_6QcW3d2Q

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>>2864845
>>Rotary hammer

>>2864902
This.

>>2864819
Holy fuck… the cordless guys are going for buying individual tools for each shank size…

I’m gonna get one of those… you know… adapter thingies.

Next it will be a separate cordless tool for every (built-in, non-replacable) socket size. Then they’ll display and post all 30 of their sae impact wrenches believing it’s the measure of a man.

>>2864889
> dewalt couln’t finish the job

My small old dewalt ni cd drill can drive a 6” screw head all the way through a 2x4 leaving a clean hole.
Give yours to someone that can fix it and/or knows how to use it.

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>>2864929
Nah bro, no adapters, they kill the torque of impact tools. And don’t even think about using an extension, it’s the same deal. You’re going to need the extended anvil version!

>>2864930
>tfw the drill will never drive a screw as deep as the impact driver
Poor anon can’t get anything right.

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>>2864935
Here’s my set-up. These are milwaulkie adapters made of Fecal78™®©, and according to the marketing, each one doubles the torque and also the RPM.

>>2863458
impacts are useful for lug nuts on car tires, rusted threads etc. the main benefit is that they don't strain your wrist very hard but beat the shit out of some bolts.if you're not a little girl and doing fewer than 100 or so of them impacts are probably not for you. for the ones you can't get with a drill just get a breaker bar, or put a pipe on a regular wrench.

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>>2864884
It's a 7/16" hex for use as a drill, because it's a common shank for large augers. There are adapters to use regular sockets, as well as specialty sockets for utility fasteners (large square nuts), but the adapters break all the fucking time.
>>2864903
Thats a slam or knock wrench.

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>>2864938
Pathetic

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>>2864968
Pathetic. I was able to get bellhousing bolts off with the impact at the tailhousing of the transmission with this sweet setup.

>>2864938
>Fecal78™®©
Kek

>>2864930
>Give yours to someone that can fix it and/or knows how to use it.
nah, I'll keep using it to drill holes and use my impact to drive screws and you can seethe all you want about it

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>>2863458
I use them with these all the time on the farm

>>2865340
YOU USE DRILLS FOR SELF DRILLING SCREWS.

>>2865352
They should need nothing if they are truly self-drilling. Just set it where you want it to drill itself and go about your business...

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>>2865374
>>2865406

any recomendations on pneumatic ones? a really compact one will be nice to have

>>2863643
i remember craftsman's lifetime warranty too.
I remember alot of lifetime warranties from companies that either changed product line or stopped production.

I rather be able to get parts and repair it myself.

>>2866274
I’ve exchanged Sears Craftsman tools at Lowe’s.

Also Ridgid has been selling 18V tools for quite some time. I don’t expect to get free lithium batteries for the next 40 years, or maybe 6 years with how I live, but at least I can beat the 3 year warranty on most other brands. Better chances with Ridgid than buying some long warranty power tools at Harbor Freight and getting Lynx’d or Earthquake’d

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impact guns are mostly for automotive, you dont use one to make a porch.

>>2866286
You sure as hell want one for yard work though!

Me watching my boomer neighbors strugging to remove the blade on an edger for half an hour, cuts on their hands, I walk across the street with the babby 3/8” ugga dugga and the blade is off in 2 seconds.

>>2864498
Well, in theory at least because of flow stress impacts can impart a higher torque before bolt head giving in. In reality the difference is minimal, the same socket from a ratchet/breakbar gives the same torque before rounding the nut. Imagine shooting a steel plate with a high-speed bullet. If you pressed the bullet to the plate with a press, it would leave no mark. But since its moving 900m/s it can displace a material significantly harder than itself. Open ended wrench and hammer is a bad explanation. Open ended wrenches generally cant even apply as high a torque as ring spanner. And 6 sided sockets? Not even a competition. The reason sockets break from impacts, is because of a couple thing. First off theyre hardened chrome-vanadium steel. Which is necessary for them to be strong. It also makes them brittle. Bolts and nuts are that hard only in special cases what you will never witness, massive ship engine block head screws and such. Now an impact pushes an enormous force through the socket, which is not as big and chunky, or plastically or elastically deformable as the bolt, which absorbs maximum impulse force. Now you add fatigue to the mix, how many bolts does a socket break loose before breaking? How many times does the socket go from 0 force to maximum force applied by impact when breaking loose a bolt.
Now go ahead and google fatigue, elastic and plastic deformation, since I know your stubborn ass wont believe me.

>>2863458
bro literally just put your drill bit in and screw shit. why are you reading so deep into this? we buy them bc they're the fucking bomb for sinking zip screws into sheet metal or quickly swapping out the 8 different types of bits with hex shanks you need in for that job in that tight crawlspace filled with spiders

>>2866445
> that tight crawlspace filled with spiders
good point.

New ones come with a ring light so you can see shit underneath that crawlspace. It’s worth it for the spotlight alone. Also use for lighting your twitch stream so you can see the wardrobe malfunctions when the power goes out.

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>>2866452
Don’t forget picrel so you can keep your modem powered for that twitch stream!

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>>2866441
> google stuff
I already know about those things. I actually whatever, and assume most impact sockets are actually made in china and just spray-painted black.
A real impact socket is likely case-hardened.

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>>2866458
Real impact sockets are chrome-moly steel, at least the better ones. And then chrome sockets are typically chrome-vanadium I think. The cheaper chinesium impact sockets are still cr-v like the non-impact sockets but they make the walls on the impacts a lot thicker and don’t harden them as much.

You can often tell just by looking at them, the cheaper CR-V sockets, at least the smaller ones in the set, will have that taper right by the fastener end so it’s a ton of softer steel trying to survive those impacts. The better cr-mo impact sockets will have a more typical taper so the wall is thinner for more of the socket like this 3/8 drive 9mm socket.
,

>>2866462
There is no possible way I can remove my wheels with that fat-ass socket on the left. The wheel nuts are in 1” deep cavities with no clearance. I have to power wash them to get any grains of sand out or my thin walled socket I use for them won’t fit.

I don’t see why they bother selling those, or chrome ones any more if real cr-mo is just all-around better.

>>2866493
Well you probably wouldn’t remove your wheels with that. And assuming they’re like 19mm lug nuts, you would be using a 1”+ drive wrench, so you won’t have an issue. But yea, those style impact sockets aren’t ideal, which is why the more expensive ones made of the proper steel aren’t like that

>>2866462
I doubt there is an actual material properties difference between Cr-V and Cr-M, its mostly about production quality. Its a sales gimmick, which apparently works very well. Self-fulfilling prophecy type.

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>>2866510
>I doubt there is an actual material properties difference between different materials
Absolutely retarded.

There’s a reason why impact sockets made using cheaper Cr-V are always thicker. If the chinesium company making cheap impact sockets could get away with making thinner impact sockets and using less material to save money, they definitely would. Adding a couple points of different metals here and there to iron makes a huge difference in its properties. Go ask the knoife fags about that.

>>2863458
As a tool and diemaker these thing are godsend.
Save a lot of time unscrewing a dozen of M10 bolts.

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I need to have as many tools as possible to maximize effectiveness at homesteading. And when you need something, that’s a responsibility.

I can always justify buying tools if it will saves me money or time in any fashion. Avoiding fucking my body needlessly, or avoiding dicking around with some bullshit cheapskate “alternative solution” is also worth it.

I use this medium sized impacto mainly to get Toyota oil filters off, because fucking stupid mechanics always crank the shit out of them and it’s hard to undo it underneath your car with a breaker bar or other bullshit method. One $90 purchase and I can do stuck bolts and filter caps off instantly every time with no hassle for the rest of my life. I’ve paid for the tool and now I can do all the lighter modifications I want for free

My favourite tool is definitely the subcompact impact driver because they will drive any fucking screw anywhere into your deck, tapcons into cement, you name it. You get 100 foot-pounds in that little package. My next tool purchase may be a micro impact because small tools fit more places

>>2864286
Do it

>>2866577
The impact I end up using 99% of the time is the right angle impact on my jobmax.
The reason being is that it gets into awkward positions like where you have to hold it, reaching in, blind, with one hand, in a ceiling or in the engine compartment somewhere.
I use a standard corded big-ass Bosch hammer drill for everything else. You can just turn the hammer off, and drill baby drill.
Also, I found out you can get regular drill bits in SDS. Eventually, I’m going to get a SDS chuck and/or hex adapter for this beast.

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>>2866577
>Do it
It has been did
>>2864281

>zoomies don't know what it was like when we only had Philips head drywall screws and drills

>>2863458
>I don't understand what the fucking point of impact drivers is
because you are stupid.

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>>2863458
>i don't understand
Jewtube a video demonstrating how the impacting mechanism works; the uses become self-explanatory from there because physics.
>clutch number one feature
The number one feature is the gearbox ratio selector, and the number two feature is hammer mode for predrilling the occasional TapCon. I regularly use both a drill and an impact driver and have never found a use for the drill's clutch; if stripping or splitting is a concern I predrill.
>what makes them think they can't do it with a drill
I do a lot of work with decking and vehicle repair among other fields. An impact driver saves me a lot of wrist fatigue running literally hundreds of screws compared to using a drill, and an impact wrench make quick and easy work of major nuts+bolts in vehicles such as those in the suspension, and especially if there's nonzero corrosion. Even outside these applications I usually reach for the impact driver before the drill because it's just more convenient.
>i still don't want an impact
That's fine nobody is twisting your tits to make you get one; if a drill does everything you want it to do then just use a drill.

>>2866601
>philips
I thank whatever god will listen every hour of every day for the proliferation of T25.

>>2866741
> saves me a lot of wrist fatigue
That is the effect of this thing called “work” and “exercise” my little zoomie.

If you do it enough, it’s no problem, since your body adapts. I suggest a sheetrocking intership for 6 months, and you’ll drive 10,000 screws in a day.

>>2866754
>That is the effect of this thing called “work” and “exercise” my little zoomie.
Work smarter, not harder.

>>2866754
This is spoken like a zoomer whose work experience is limited to half a summer in middle school with his uncle who owns a small general contracting company.

Most of the dudes I see in the real world who drop $200 on a Ti hammer aren’t doing it to post on Reddit like many people here. They buy them because their wrists sound like concrete mixers and they’re trying to keep swiging that hammer a couple more years until their entitled daughter graduates from that state university that costs a ton.

That little shit takes a toll on your body if you do it longer than half a summer when you’re 15.

>>2866779
I disagree.
I think if, in your teen years, you play video games and shit, then go into construction, yeah… your body will wear out quickly.

If you start early, while you’re still growing, your body will adapt. Your discs in your back will be stronger, your knee joints will be more durable, etc.

Of course, you also need some off time to heal. I sent my kids off to help the bricklayers in their teens and they’d come home and curl up in a fetal position and cry themselves to sleep. They felt stiff in the morning but stuck it out and went back day after day. No complaints.

People that have gym membership are hilarious to me,

>>2866807
You’ve never talked to any blue collar dudes, have you?

>>2866807
>Of course, you also need some off time to heal.
Lol. Time off? What is that?

>>2863467
>>2863458
Op, it's not all about static torque.

The drill driver will cam out and strip screws. It will spin you around instead of breaking loose a 10mm bolt off a car, if it doesn't just break your wrist.

Not everything is about that mamcy little torque clutch adjustment either, these days they're all electric and will not stop fast enough to save your work, they are there so the drill doesn't break your wrist or kill you.
Yea, impact driver can fuck your work up too, but at least you don't need a grownans weight on the bot to just to stop it from camming out.

If you work on cars, it's almost a must.
I couldn't gety impact wrench into the back side of a rotor, but the impact driver fit. The driver will also click it's little heart out to break free a 10mm or a stuck Phillips screw in metal, the impact wrench will just remove the head. I've had weel studs get ripped in half