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The Fragrance Groups 101 Chart

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The Fragrance Flowchart for Beginners

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Incense chart

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3 for high temperatures
3 for moderate temperatures
3 for low temperatures

Restrictions breed creativity

>>18786848
Yea but my goal is to have a couple of dozen options to pick from, so today I wanna wear one the next day the other, meaning I would have to open all bottles for this to work and they might go bad if I do this.
I guess I should have gotten 10ml samples instead of full bottles.

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a large collection is pointless. youre always gonna gravitate to the 5-10 you actually do like

>>18786861
not true at all. I have 25+ that I use regularly

>>18786804
>Frags eventually go bad even if you keep them in a dark and cool environment.
I have fragrances older than you and they all smell great. I'm pretty sure my fragrances will outlive me.

>>18786850
>High temp
Montabaco Intensivo
Acqua di Sale
Virgin Island Water
>Moderate temp
Naxos
Incense Extreme
BI Extrait
>Low temp
Byzantine Amber
LADDM
Ambre Levant

>>18786836
Arab cheapies don’t smell like alcohol.

>>18786861
I have 40+ fragrances I love in my collection and I wear them any chance I get. Of the remaining 25 only about 5 I do not enjoy wearing. The rest are good fragrances but very situational. Even the ones I don't love I still try them on and I actually learn a lot from them. I actually wear fragrances that are not my favorite very often to give them a chance. I have changed my mind on a couple fragrances because since I have the full bottle I get to try them on as much as I want. No pressure of making up my mind on a small amount.

>>18786898
is it because its haram?

>>18786888
I find Incense Extreme very intense, I would switch it with LADDM which is lighter and more forgiving.

>>18786898
Neither do good, non squiggle script cheapies. Strike three, you’re out.

>>18786910
>inb4 he asks me to spoon feed him examples
>IDontThinkIWill.jpg
But if you do ask, the thread will respond anyway, with a mix of both good AND bad cheapies, so have fun with that.

>>18786903
I actually heard the perfumer of Areej Le Dore talk about how he had to get the blessings of his Imam or someone because he thought using alcohol went against his religion but he was convinced it was ok as long as it cannot be used for drinking. The mind games religious people have to play with themselves is insane. Any time I hear some talk about religion I stop listening and refuse to buy their fragrance. Same for when I heard the guy from Les Abstraits start talking about being born again. I avoid brands from anybody who I hear talking about their religious fanaticism.

>>18786911
This is why I avoid Arab fragrance brands regardless of price. The people who shill them always sound deranged like they have 10 different people in their head. I've never heard an Arab or Jewish brand shill that was calm, balanced, or level headed. It always boils down to them raving something like: "everyone says this fragrance/brand sucks but everyone is wrong and I'm right".

My goal is to have 50 bottles that I like and maintain that number by adding and subtracting bottles that bore me. This quilt of scent that I maintain then becomes an aspect of my character like clothes and style I gravitate to, or books and movies and games. All together they compose an idea of me that is unique.

SOTE Tabacco Vanille

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>>18786850
Allow me to explain my autistic rotation system.
So my year-round signature scent is Imagination. The warm half of the year (april-september) Percival is part of the rotation. For the main summer months (may-august) Buongiorno is also part of the rotation. Now to the cold half (october-march). For that entire duration Pour Un Homme de Caron Parfum is part of the duration. For the main winter months (november-february) Tabac Exquis is also part of the rotation. For the months that act like bridges between the halves (march&april, september&october) Esencia EDP is also part of the rotation.
So you see, I have a year-round signature scent (12 months), I have two half-year signature scents (6 months each), and I have three "specialist" scents, one for high heat, one for freezing cold, one for conditions in the middle, each slotted in for 4 months. That means at any point throughout the year I can choose between three scents.

Now you could argue that september is definitely more of a summer month than may, and that march is definitely more of a winter month than november, but you see, that would ruin the symmetry of my rotation and my autism won't allow that. That symmetry starts between december and january, the transition between two years, so when you mirror that monthly split you get the same split between june and july.

I hope you enjoyed my little autistic display.

>>18786938
That is a cute ideal. I realized I'm simply a collector. I want a tiny museum with all the vintage fragrances I enjoy.

great now i'll never get rid of my sealed 2016 jules with the re-issue being out

>>18786944
I'll give you $99.99 for it.

Creed Aventus is nice but it's not $500 nice

>>18786910
>Strike three, you’re out.
I hope one day when you're 80 (and not 50 like you currently are) you look back and realize how extremely cringe you sound lmao

>>18786886
No you don't, and no they won't.
If you have bottles opened 40 years ago and think they still smell "great", your nose is too shite to be giving any opinions in this hobby.

need smell
pine tree smell
pls help me
must smell like forest

Imagination dupe (Sunrise on the Red Sand Dunes) or a Layton + Y EDP dupe (Encore I LuNiche) for a year-round daily office + weekend scent?

>>18786977
L'Eau Trois
Cerruti 1881
Mousse Illuminee
Fille en Aiguilles
Polo Green
Quorum
Pino Silvestre Original
1828
Fou d'Absinthe

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>sotd

>>18786907
Fair, I love incenses but it's hard to find any that aren't too heavy

>>18786942
Isn't Imagination too light for the winter?

>>18786999
No, that's just marketing bullshit.

>>18787001
I wouldn't wear a honey tobacco amber gourmand in summer because the notes would come off as sticky and syrupy
Similarly citruses in the cold don't really shine

>>18786977
Literally anything from Pineward. That is the guys entire fucking schtick. "How do I make tree and tree accessories fit into a bottle?" His shit is so natural that he doesn't even bother trying to filter the natural dyes since it isn't economical and reduces the organic nature of the brand, and so he just sells you a fragrance container to wear since there's very solid chance you're going to get your clothes/skin stained otherwise.

>>18787002
It's true for the heat but you can wear anything in the cold. The only reason not to wear light fragrances in the cold is because you could be wearing the fragrances that are too dense for the heat. Otherwise they smell fine.

>>18786971
That's why you buy Mont Blanc Explorer if you want to a much cheaper, woodier version. Or if you have a bit of money you but Bleu Satin by MDCI where they sub out the pineapple for melon.

>>18786942
Tabac Exquis is slept on, desu.

>>18787002
Imagination is only citrusy for the first 10 minutes. The drydown is pure tea.

Lavender is for toilet spray only

>>18787024
trvke

>>18786886
>>18786973
It depends on the scent/molecule. Citruses will definitely degrade in a (relatively) short period of time, it’s still years, but heart and base notes will stay stable for decades or longer.

Sunlight is the biggest factor, temperature changes will degrade weaker molecules, but only sunlight is going to degrade the more stable stuff, and even then only certain things, it’s not a universal cleanser.

Whether or not the fragrance itself still smells good is again another matter, but generally speaking they’ll still be good because top notes make up a relatively short lived portion of the frag.

So in short, >>18786973 you’re an idiot. There are plenty of deep vintage bottles from the 50’s and even earlier, stored in relatively BAD conditions, and they still smell good. The only debate here is what you think smells “good” versus others.

>>18786977
As >>18787008 said, you want Pineward, specifically I recommend Greymist as the most photorealistic pine scent in existence. Even better, it’s completely clear and white shirt safe, unlike some of his other compositions.

Or another trvke: fragrances are copes for people who normally smell like shit.

>>18786973
All my 40+ year old fragrances smell amazing. But keep believing they smell bad because someone lied to you on the internet. Maybe if more people believed that old fragrances go bad the prices wouldn't be so insane.

>>18787040
If the entire top notes are gone then the fragrance no longer smells the way it should, ergo it has "gone bad". If you still think it smells subjectively *pleasant* that's fine, but it's simply a matter of taste. However, you cannot claim that it's still "good" as a fragrance, because it objectively no longer smells like what the perfumer intended. And most of the time, it does actually smell funky or off if molecules have degraded into others entirely.
Also, what goes bad first has nothing to do with whether or not its a top note. Linalool typically contributes to heart notes and is famously unstable. So it's far from your claim of "well you won't miss the top notes much anyways lol!"
Also (pt. 2), degradation can happen even in the absence of sunlight. It's called terpene OXIDATION, the moment you introduce air into the bottle this begins to happen. Sunlight and heat just speed up the process.

So, in short, >>18787040 you're the idiot here, and it's pretty funny that you're so confidently wrong.

>>18787043
Your nose is too shite to be giving any opinions in this hobby.

>>18787024
shit take
>>18787041
good take

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A /frag/ oldfag yearly check in. Has there been any sightings of the hookeranon? Is the schizo gone for good? Funny to see /frag/ becoming what looks like the only really active thread on this dead board. Especially given how much it influenced the current perfume criticism and meme scene.

>>18787063
patrician tase

>inb4 getting called shill and/or trans for having more than 0 Nicolais

>>18786999
How much time do you spend indoors as opposed to outdoors? What's the average temperature indoors? Fresh scents always work. Dense, heavy scents don't always work. Plus Imagination is pretty substantial for a freshie.

>>18787063
>the schizo
There are at least 3 different posters that fit this bill to my memory kek
>given how much it influenced the current perfume criticism and meme scene
Did it? There was one time I saw a meme from here posted on the r/eaudejerks subreddit, I can't think of much else though.

>>18787061
Your train of thought is so rigid and exclusionary that it removes nearly all fragrance in existence as not “good”.

For example, Kouros when originally conceived was requested to be made more and more animalic by YSL, against Bourdon’s wishes. Bourdon complied because he was paid to do so, but that means every original bottle upon release was not “good” because they smelled “pleasant” but
>no longer smells like what the perfumer intended
correct? They’re your words.

Similarly, literally any reformulation, whether we’re talking vintages updated as trends change, the ban of oakmoss or any other plethora of banned materials, or even just modern companies cheaping out on materials, they’re all bad now. Not what the perfumer intended.

>And most of the time, it does actually smell funky or off
Subjective and fragrance specific. I’m sure you’d love to list your anecdotes, feel free, I’ll counter with my own anecdotal evidence and nothing will be proved by either of us, so spare me.

>what goes bad first has nothing to do with whether or not its a top note
It absolutely does. The whole reason they’re top notes is because they’re short lived and unstable. As such, citruses are always the first thing to go and are almost exclusively top notes. They’re also what most people are discussing when talking about fragrance degradation. Also, thank you for proving my point, as yes, linalool contributes to heart notes, *and citrus notes*.

Going back to your wildly exclusionary standards,
>the moment you introduce air into the bottle this begins to happen
so as soon as you spray your bottle for the first time it has started to degrade, right? No longer what the perfumer intended, or still good?
Oh wait, it wasn’t bottled in a vacuum or under argon gas? You’re saying it’s been degrading since the juice entered the bottle and even beforehand?

Just because a fragrance has a patina doesn’t mean it’s bad.

>>18787061
>And most of the time, it does actually smell funky or off if molecules have degraded into others entirely
You have no experience on the matter. The biggest difference is that the lighter notes become very fleeting. This whole "funky or off" is internet gossip from people who have no hands-on experience. Now I get why you keep blaming my nose and it's because you never get to use yours.

>>18787063
>hookeranon
Can’t say I recall this Anon…
>schizo gone for good
Sadly no, they still post regularly.
>the only really active thread on this dead board
Again, unfortunately, while there is still a small niche of genuine people who post regularly, you can tell it’s being buoyed by bots. A cursory glance through the last 2-3 threads you can see the regularly occurring “Fragrance for this feel?” with a generic picture or “What would he wear?” with a fictional character. Along with a ton of other “Asks generic opinion question without actually giving self opinion on asked topic” type stuff. ItsAllSoTiresome.jpg but here I am, still.
I will say there’s one Anon that has been posting off and on with vintage bottles he picks up and fairly in depth opinion pieces that are always enjoyable to read. (Pics of the bottles are always outside with some greenery in the background on a stone pedestal or wall, tasteful.)
Haven’t seen him in a little bit.

Also, nice collection, and display.

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What would he wear?

What do I need to know about fougere?

>>18787101
>against Bourdon’s wishes
There's the artist's intent, and then there's the publisher's. An oxidized fragrance is neither of these. Of course like I said, you are free to enjoy them - just like you are also free to enjoy eating moldy two week old bread against the chef's wishes.
>inb4 "well its more like blue cheese, and also stuff like wine is aged!"
Those are aged in a controlled environment using very specific set of parameters, and in the case of the cheese, a very specific combination of bacteria and fungi. The end result must be predictable and meet the maker's standards.
When your bottle of perfume is "aging" in your closet, nobody knows what it'll smell like in 30 years. You can serendipitously chance upon something that smells nice to you, but that's just luck.

>Similarly, literally any reformulation
Yes, reformulations which are famed to cause entire uproars in the frag community if they are noticeably different from the originals. Thanks for proving my point.

>It absolutely does (...) citruses are always the first thing to go and are almost exclusively top notes. They’re also what most people are discussing when talking about fragrance degradation. Also, linalool contributes to heart notes, *and citrus notes*.
You're thinking of limonene, retard. Linalool is more in florals like lavendar. And that was just one example. There are many other non-citrus compounds that are also known to be unstable, like eugenol. Similarly geraniol is the main contributer to rose, another common heart note. And that one is particularly funny because it oxidizes into citrol, which is actually lemony and sour (possibly what happened to my original example).

>so as soon as you spray your bottle for the first time it has started to degrade, right?
Technically yes, just like the moment food leaves the frying pan it starts to go bad. We both know what I mean here, you're just being purposefully obtuse now and desperately trying to construct a ridiculous strawman.

>>18787107
>You have no experience on the matter.
Nice projection. See the 2nd to last part of: >>18787129, specifically on geraniol oxidizing into olfactible citral. This isn't even the only example btw.

eurohours are worst hours

>>18787127
theyre sorta like getting a daring haircut. you need to looksmax to really pull them off. kinda like how brad pitts haircut in fury looks absolutely goofy on 95% of men.
thats why so many men in the 50s who dressed well wore fougeres. you really cant pull it off in a t shirt unless you want to come off as someone's uncle or dad unless youre fine with that

>>18787138
I'm tall and handsome - could it work?

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I got a partial tester of the old Dior Homme. Everyone here probably knows what it smells like but I wanted to try it for myself. I already have Eau for Men which is very similar. The lavender and cocoa give Homme a darker edge, I get a bit of a smoky scent too. I don't get leather but other people do. It's quite nice but just like the Eau for Men it loses its amazing opening quite fast before turning into a sweet ambery base. Homme retains more of its character into the base but it's still a poor performer. People really love the smell and compliment it often but you really have to spray down hoping to cling to some more of the performance. It's sweet but not cheap smelling. Funny that most people consider it a casual scent when to me it comes off as more elegant. It's quite friendly and welcoming.

>>18787141
of course. attractive people can pull off virtually any perfume

>>18787114
Sartorial

Do you guys feel naked when you leave your house fragless?

>>18787162
yes

>>18787114
Grand Soir

Anything that smells like OG old spice aftershave, but with more longevity?

>>18787162
Used to 100% feel this way, but I work in a hospital and was reprimanded a couple years back by a boomer pulmonologist for wearing scents so I've had to stop. Sucks, but I've gotten used to not wearing any scents (at least when I'm in scrubs).

>>18787129
Let me clarify something by asking you a question. What would *you* do with a vintage bottle of something where the top notes are gone? Not spoiled or rotten, faded. Pick something you like.
I ask because all your analogies imply they’re trash. Throw them away, they’re no good.
>enjoy eating moldy two week old bread
You’re equating age to spoilage, which are not the same.
Of course we’d all like our fragrances to last indefinitely, and of course that’s not the case, I’m not arguing that. But you seem to be arguing they’re not worth keeping which is what I disagree with. Changed with time, age, and yes even degradation doesn’t mean they’re not worth enjoying even if they are lessened for the process.

>if they are noticeably different from the originals
You’re creeping into gray areas when all your arguments are black and white. Modern Paco Rabanne pour Homme. Modern Azzaro pour Homme. Both trash because their oakmoss is gone? I say no, you seem to be saying yes. The Dreamer, L'Air du Désert Marocain, more recent releases that are now different due to bans. Trash? Again I say no, you seem to be saying yes.

>You're thinking of limonene, retard. Linalool is more in florals like lavendar.
Yes, it’s florals, and it also supports citruses. It can do more than one thing, like many aromachemicals. Google, Wikipedia, Fraterworks, BASF, take your pick. It goes, so do some of your supported top notes.

>purposefully obtuse
No more obtuse than you’re being inversely acute with your limitations. I’m giving an example of how unrealistic your expectations are.

>>18787110
>>18787148
>Haven’t seen him in a little bit.
Speak of the devil.
Nice post Anon, I take it the weather is beginning to turn where you’re at?

>>18787162
Absolutely. I rarely do it but always feel like I’m wasting opportunity.

>>18787183
RIP fren, my condolences. Thankfully I don’t have to interact with patients or I’d be unhappy.

Wearing TdH at the gym, don't care

>>18787196
It's extremely inoffensive though
I wear Byzantine Amber at the gym

Can you recommend me a winter frag that I can wear in the office?

>>18787191
>What would *you* do with a vintage bottle of something where the top notes are gone?
Gone, or oxidized into something else olfactible? It highly depends on how it smells. In the case of the latter, there's a good chance the new smells don't work well with the rest of the formula. If it's the former, I might keep it around but I'd still want a new bottle with all of the notes complete.

>You’re equating age to spoilage, which are not the same.
No, I'm equating spoilage to spoilage. I already explained to you why a perfume bottle sitting in closet is not the same thing as proper "aging" as you might find in a fine whiskey or wine.
And beyond just the scent itself, there's also the safety aspect of it, which again is directly analagous to spoiled food like I said. Many fragrance molecules like the aforementioned linalool and limonene oxidize into harmful compounds.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19125719/

>Both trash because their oakmoss is gone? I say no, you seem to be saying yes.
>I’m giving an example of how unrealistic your expectations are.
Trash, possibly not. Different from what I want, yes. When a customer buys "Prada Infusion d'Iris Cèdre" from the store, that customer wants exactly that - the scent they sampled in the store, or previously bought. Not "Infusion d'Cèdre with no Iris and half of the heart notes missing after 20 years". This is literally why so many fragheads chase specific batches and formulations, if the formula for that frag has changed significantly over time.
Very simple concept and not unrealistic whatsoever, considering the massive number of fragrances have either NOT been reformulated, or the reformulations were done well with synthetic alternatives that are basically indistinguishable.
I don't know how I can make it any simpler for you to understand.

Should I drop $400 on Beach Hut Man now that it's discontinued
Or should I be more reasonable and drop like $100 on a partial of Viking

>>18787205
Spiritueuse Double Vanille
Naxos
Vanille Havane
Thé Noir 29
Grand Soir
Jazz Club
The One EDT

>>18787215
Awesome - thanks so much.

>>18787205
Layton

>>18787215
Are there any affordable ones on that list?

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I’m positive one of you faggots likes Tyler the Creator enough to own this frag.
My Ross has it for cheap, should I grab a bottle? Should I get 2 and resell the second for when the price inevitably shoots up?

>>18787224
The One is reasonably priced
Jazz Club is priced a tier above it but it’s not outrageous on discounters

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>>18787226
>for when the price inevitably shoots up
>phoned in meme celebrity brand
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Actually on a second thought I might, after catching a whiff of that shit

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>>18787228
the one longevity is a no go for me.

>>18787199
based, alao digits
>>18787205
Chanel Egoiste

>>18787148
ive never smelled the og homme but dh original is one of my all time favorites in my collection. i get a solid 6-8 hours out of it which i think is plenty. i also find it extremely versatile which is why it can be a casual and elegant scent you either dress up or dress down

>>18787228
>Jazz Club
in an office ...

>>18787224
Define affordable
The only ones that are designer-priced are Jazz Club and The One
If you want cheaper options than the ones on the list: Dior Homme Intense, Eau d'Ombre Leather, Bois Imperial (not a winter frag but it's good for all seasons), Divine Vanille, Velvet Iris, BdC Parfum, Noir Extreme, Egoiste, Boss Bottled Elixir
>>18787238
Yeah, what of it? It's one of the most universally pleasing boozy-gourmand profiles there is and the performance is bad enough that you won't choke anyone out with it

>>18787237
I was going to recommend Dior Homme Original to someone who liked the tester I got but it seems discontinued as well. I can smell the smooth sweetness on my skin after 8 hours but the projection drops off massively in less than 2 hours.

>>18787235
what site is this? is it better than fragrantica?

>sotd: marinating overnight in the oil of 10x100ml Body Kouros, before an important business meeting

>>18787258
probably parfumo if i had to guess

>>18787258
parfumo and yes its 10000 times better

>>18787209
Gone or mostly gone.
>want a new bottle with all of the notes complete
Yes, there in lies part of the problem. Often they’re not produced anymore, if they are there’s a good chance something has been reformulated which you wouldn’t want since it may smell different, or you’re forced to roll the dice with the second hand market, not only on whether it’s genuine or not, but also whether it has been stored well and maintained better than the bottle you’re already wanting rid of.
It’s not impossible, but it’s very difficult and I would even say unlikely considering your self owned bottle has already “turned”.

>No, I'm equating spoilage to spoilage
You keep comparing it with food, which it is not. Chemicals can be harmful, sure, but they’re not bacteria which grow, reproduce, change, defend themselves, and fight back. It’s simply not the same.
And I never compared it to wine or whisky like you. If I tried to force this comparison as you are, chemical degradation is an order of magnitude more simple, and therefore the end product (smell) more predictable.
>Link
I’ll try and get access to the full text tomorrow at work. Without knowing the concentrations that started popping positive the conclusions have no perspective for this conversation and aren’t applicable.

>Trash, possibly not. Different from what I want, yes.
But that’s what you’ve been arguing. If it’s different from what you want, it’s trash.
>If the entire top notes are gone then the fragrance no longer smells the way it should, ergo it has "gone bad". …you cannot claim that it's still "good" as a fragrance
>you are free to enjoy them - just like you are also free to enjoy eating moldy two week old bread
You have repeatedly made it clear.

Gonna have to put this on two posts.

>>18787209
>>18787268
>Not "Infusion d'Cèdre with no Iris and half of the heart notes missing after 20 years"
You’d lose the orange and the neroli, and even then that’s with a lot of oxidation or poor storage, the other notes would be fine.

More importantly, you’re describing exactly what I’ve been saying. In 2035, it’s probably going to have been discontinued, anyone looking to source a bottle will be looking at something produced 5+ years ago, possibly longer. They’re either going to have to bite the bullet and enjoy their slightly diminished citrus and neroli, or move on to a new frag.

>chase specific batches and formulations
Call me pedantic but they chase batches due to ingredient variation. All the bottles of that batch are going to have the same degree of oxidation assuming they’re stored the same, so it’s a moot argument point, and see my earlier comment regarding the unreliability of the second hand market.
As for formulations, it’s very much the same argument. No one is worried about something being oxidized from a reformulation last year. The major reformulations are on things that spanned 20-30+ years old (it’s 2026) scratch that, 50-60+ years old, where even in the best case scenario, you’re buying a brand new bottle that is already losing/lost top notes.
Again, this isn’t really an argument in your favor.

>reformulations were done well with synthetic alternatives that are basically indistinguishable
lol, okay Anon, how are you gonna call anyone’s nose shite and type out this sentence?

>>18787226
>>18787230
Kek’d

>>18787258
>>18787262
>>18787266
>samefagging parfumo shill

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>>18787274

>>18787258
ymmv
Fragrantica is for the riff raff, Parfumo is for the ones just a step above it. It’s a lateral move really.
As a result the reviews are a lot gayer and much more long winded.
I think using both is the optimal move, you can tell some of the reviewers on parfumo get high on their own farts.

>>18787275
nice edit

>>18787274
I’ll jump in here and say I also prefer Parfumo. There are way less ads (if you’re on a phone/not using an ad blocker) and the ratings aren’t completely trashed by the masses like Fragrantica is. I do wish their… scent profiles? were a little more robust like fragrantica (as opposed to their limited “Fresh, Spicy, Sweet, Oriental, etc.) but it’s still not bad.

The whole… practicing creative writing ‘thing’ in the review section also seems to be a lot better. I still run into one occasionally, but it’s not like a couple years ago where half the full length reviews were people practicing their short story compositions.

>>18787268
>first paragraph
Okay? You just listed a bunch of hypotheticals. Sure, some frags get discontinued. Or you might get a fake on second-hand markets. Or maybe a fucking plane might crash into your closet and destroy your entire collection. I've never ran into any of these problems personally. Fakes aren't easy to come by if you don't purchase from shady sources with no reputation like a retard.

>chemical degradation is an order of magnitude more simple, and therefore the end product (smell) more predictable.
Lol you are not "predicting" anything with your fragrance bottle "aging".

>I’ll try and get access to the full text tomorrow at work. Without knowing the concentrations that started popping positive the conclusions have no perspective for this conversation and aren’t applicable.
Be sure to report back after realizing how wrong you were.
https://dermnetnz.org/topics/contact-allergy-to-limonene-and-linalool

>But that’s what you’ve been arguing. If it’s different from what you want, it’s trash.
You keep using the word trash, I never did.
If a fragrance no longer smells like what I originally purchased (thus it no longer smells like what I originally wanted), it has gone bad. Gone off. Deteriorated. Whatever you want to call it, since you seem to love arguing semantics. There are varying degrees of bad. If it's just slightly off, I might consider it close enough and keep using it. If it's very off, then sure it's "trash". This isn't fucking hard to understand, but like I said you're just being purposefully obtuse for the sake of arguing at this point.

Part 2 incoming

>>18787258
If you have a collection parfumo is great for organizing and tracking it. I still check fragrantica because they just have more users thus more reviews so you get more info about dominant notes and similar fragrances. It would be helpful is notes and similar fragrances were ever accurate. Written reviews are utterly useless on both but to the anon that said parfumo is pretentious they also have short statements which are more plentiful but then they start writing poems on them. Parfumo is more male and euro centered. Fragrantica is more popular so you get more women and US/India than parfumo. The again every profile on parfumo is gendered and you can filter out women.

TLDR: parfumo is a great organizing and search tool but fragrantica has more users and reviews

>>18787270
>You’d lose the orange and the neroli, and even then that’s with a lot of oxidation or poor storage, the other notes would be fine.
Okay, so nearly half the notes. Lmao.

>anyone looking to source a bottle will be looking at something produced 5+ years ago, possibly longer. They’re either going to have to bite the bullet and enjoy their slightly diminished citrus and neroli, or move on to a new frag.
Not if it's a sealed bottle, which is what I said from the very beginning. >>18786848 Also, that's another hypothetical. There are plenty of frags that have been continuously produced for many decades, especially if they are well-received.

>2nd paragraph
My comment on batches and formulations was directed at you bringing up reformulations, about the oakmoss being gone, and whether or not that makes a new formulation trash.
I brought up batch-seekers to show that to much of the community (not just me), yes indeed a new formulations is often considered trash. Or at least inferior.
I never said people chase specific batches for oxidization levels, that would be retarded.

>lol, okay Anon, how are you gonna call anyone’s nose shite and type out this sentence?
Many modern synthetics are indistinguishable even to trained noses. When people online say something smells "synthetic", they really have no clue what they're talking about.
The fact that you're still in the "muh naturals are better" phase only reveals your own inexperience. Feel free to email some professional noses and ask about it if you don't believe me.

>>18787274
i dont use parfumo i just recognized the UI and answered a simple question. stop being a schizo

>>18787266
>>18787274
>>18787303
Basenotes mogs both of them.
And before you say it, yes, I am personally paid by John Basenote himself.

>>18787308
>boomers blasting ai slop moggs both of them
haha ok retard

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>>18787312
>ai slop
Oh you mean what Fagrantica uses to upscale their bottle images now? Yeah, pretty sloppy indeed.

>>18787319
my phone does that too now

>>18787283
>Lol you are not "predicting" anything with your fragrance bottle "aging".
No, I’m not, but if you’re going to keep comparing them to food like whiskey, cheese, or wine, chemical degradation is more linear and reproducible than a microbe derived process.

>Be sure to report back after realizing how wrong you were.
In the meantime I’ll take a page from your book and say
“Don’t have such shite skin.”

>You keep using the word trash, I never did.
Now who’s being obtuse? lol You have been implying in every statement they are unusable. Or what would you do with moldy, two week old bread?

>>18787292
>Okay, so nearly half the notes
Again, being broadly obtuse. Laughably so. 2/7 notes isn’t even a third, and more importantly the remaining notes are still going to run you 8+ hours. You’ve lost maybe 30 minutes of unique scent profile.

>>18787292
>Not if it's a sealed bottle
They’re not bottled under argon or nitrogen. The clock starts upon production, spraying them just speeds it up.
>continuously produced for many decades
Complaining about hypotheticals and immediately answering with one seems like a poor choice, not to mention going back to the “They’ve probably been reformulated” discussion.

>I never said people chase specific batches for oxidization levels
Neither did I. What I was saying is they’re all going to be aging, after 20-30 years the original ones will be oxidizing while the modern ones will be reformulated and bad, which we agree on.
>new formulations is often considered trash

>muh naturals are better
I never said that, but out of curiosity why would reformulations be so trash with all of these indistinguishable materials, which smell exactly the same?

>>18787251
its still being made but dior only officially sells it in europe. you can rarely find the original on discounters but i got mine off ebay

>>18787325
>chemical degradation is more linear and reproducible than a microbe derived process
Then it seems you also have no clue how whiskey aging or cheesemaking works.
>“Don’t have such shite skin.”
Ah yes when you run of arguments, (inaccurately) call him brown. Classic.

>Again, being broadly obtuse. Laughably so. 2/7 notes isn’t even a third
Not quite, I just didn't bother correcting you because that frag is literally just a random one I named as an example, it doesn't matter which example we use.
But if you really want to be pedantic, Infusion d'Iris Cèdre only has 5 notes, 2 of which are easily degraded. 2/5 is indeed "nearly half". Surely this level of math is elementary enough for you?

>The clock starts upon production, spraying them just speeds it up.
Significantly. Enough that it often means the difference between keeping for 20 years vs only 7 years.
So yes, a bottle being sealed matters in the context of preservation. Obviously.

>What I was saying is they’re all going to be aging, after 20-30 years the original ones will be oxidizing while the modern ones will be reformulated and bad, which we agree on.
No. It seems you are as illiterate as you are stupid. I very clearly said that many frags are never reformulated at all, and some are reformulated in a way that makes them smell identical, or close to identical. Last paragraph here: >>18787209

>why would reformulations be so trash with all of these indistinguishable materials, which smell exactly the same?
Some are, some aren't. Not all reformulations are done to the same quality/accuracy standards. Spelled out enough for you, or do I need to break out the crayon drawings?

>>18787183
Fuck that pulmonologist. If grandma can stand the smell of her own shit and UTI, then she can deal with some cologne. Wear your frag king, just don’t overdo it with 10 sprays of some beastmode bullshit.

virgin here, which frag smells like vagina?

>>18787347
Freshly washed? Ghost in the Shell. Rub some defrosted salmon on your wrists otherwise.

>>18787367
>Ghost in the Shell.
NTA but this has convinced me to buy the ELDO discovery set

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>>18787335
Thanks for the valuable info.

>>18787343
>Then it seems you also have no clue how whiskey aging or cheesemaking works.
I majored in Biotech, I’m well versed. Just because we have an excellent understanding of how fermentation and other biological processes work doesn’t change that they’re more complex than chemical degradation. Chemistry is inherently more simple than biology. Try to refute this and you’ll only make yourself look foolish.

>Ah yes when you run of arguments, (inaccurately) call him brown
You’re again misquoting me. I didn’t call you brown, I said you have “shite skin,” referring to your inability to handle oxidized perfume. If you had any degree of pattern recognition, or if you simply understood the sentence “take a page from your book” you’d understand I was quoting you from the multiple times you’ve used the word “shite” to describe others noses.

>only has 5 notes
I suggest you start looking outside Fragrantica for your information, although it would explain a lot of your responses. Both Fragrantica and Basenotes only list 5, neither of which list the citrus, leaving you at 1/5. Parfumo lists 8. The official website lists 6 without explicitly naming citrus, so I was generous and gave you the 2/7.
No matter how you slice it, you’re wrong. Talk more about elementary math though.

>keeping for 20 years vs only 7 years
So by your example everything made prior to 2006 has aged out of… whatever you’re moving the goal post to now in regard to usability.

>many frags are never reformulated at all
>some are reformulated in a way that makes them smell identical
I can speak in non-provable generalities as well.
Many are never reformulated because they’re discontinued.
So few are convincingly reformulated to smell identical that it’s a moot argument.

>Not all reformulations are done to the same quality/accuracy standards
No shit, that’s what I’ve been saying, but then you try and turn that into an insult about things I never said.

>>18787390
>I majored in Biotech, I’m well versed.
ChatGPT is not a college degree, sorry to break it to you bud.
You specifically said "chemical degradation is more linear and reproducible". Alcohol aging and cheesemaking are both *very* reproducible, otherwise those markets would completely collapse and there would be no such thing as specific regional cheeses with rigid standards for naming and labeling rights.

>Both Fragrantica and Basenotes only list 5, Parfumo lists 8
That just tells me that parfumo is wrong then. And once again, the specific example doesn't matter. I could just as easily change the example to Infusion d'Iris (4/8 unstable notes according to your own wrong website) and now all of a sudden you're left with nothing but a foul odor in your room from the oxidized fragrance on your wrist. That's exactly half of the notes, btw. Since you obviously need me to do the math for you.

>So by your example everything made prior to 2006 has aged out of…
Those years are arbitrary, because oxidization and going bad is a sliding scale. There isn't a sudden shift from "perfectly good" to "unusable" at the 20 year mark.
Sorry, I forgot you're autistic and need me to spell out the obvious like this.

>I can speak in non-provable generalities as well.
Yes, such as "old oxidized bottles are still good even though they're missing half the notes!"
Or, "I have sunk cost fallacy with my collection full of vintage shitters that I already wasted my money on, and now desperately need to defend my fragrance purchasing honor on 4chan!"

But we both know you're just grasping at straws and muddying the waters at this point in hopes that I forget what the original contention was even about, since you already ran out of copes for that. It's okay, anon.

what's a good perfume that matches the vibe of this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fBE8A8R7z0

>>18787397
>Alcohol aging and cheesemaking are both *very* reproducible
“Just because we have an excellent understanding of how fermentation and other biological processes work doesn’t change that they’re more complex than chemical degradation”
Your failure to read continues to impress.

>That just tells me that parfumo is wrong then
Continues to completely ignore the actual website. lol Here’s a link, you like those.
https://www.prada.com/ww/en/pradasphere/fragrances/les-infusions/les-infusions-iris-cedre.html
>the specific example doesn't matter
Yes of course it doesn’t, I’m sure that’s what you’ll also say regarding the website which proves your note count wrong as well.

>Those years are arbitrary
>”Stop using my own examples against me!”
The more you talk the more you contort away from your original argument, which you should have seen coming when you start out with such an inflexible stance.
First they were all bad, now it’s a sliding scale, at least part of what you’re saying is working its way to truth.

>But we both know you're just grasping at straws and muddying the waters
No Anon, I’m using your own arguments against you, and slowly but surely you’re changing your tune from
>“If you have bottles opened 40 years ago and think they still smell "great", your nose is too shite to be giving any opinions in this hobby.”
To
>”Those years are arbitrary, because oxidization and going bad is a sliding scale.”
It’s progress, that’s a good thing.

>>18787417
>conveniently ignoring the new example and hoping I wouldn't notice
https://www.prada-beauty.com/fragrance/les-infusions/infusion-diris-eau-de-parfum/MPL01370.html
Exactly half of the notes. 50%. I wanna see you try to weasel your way around this one. What kind of cope are you gonna go with, vintage boy?

>First they were all bad, now it’s a sliding scale, at least part of what you’re saying is working its way to truth.
>and slowly but surely you’re changing your tune
It's a sliding scale that works towards them all being bad. At 40 years, if the bottle was already opened (my original claim), they're all bad. Or "trash", as you would put it. My stance hasn't changed one bit.

Again, if you weren't highly autistic, you would've been able to actually understand the words that you were (ostensibly) reading, instead of getting all mad because you felt that I personally attacked your vintage poopoo water collection or something. You are free to enjoy your silly oxidized oils, anon. Nobody is stopping you from eating the stale rotten bread.

I'm not reading all that

i would never read a post that has more than two sentences.

Concession accepted. Maybe think twice before saying something so stupid next time, and you won't have to subject yourself to such an embarrassing display again.

>>18787423
Kek, I’ll play your game, but you should realize that by saying
>I wanna see you try to weasel your way around this one
You’re throwing all pretense of arguing the original point out the window and just trying to save face by being right about -something-

Yeah, sure, for the specific example of Infusion d'Iris, it relies on more top notes and therefore is more susceptible to degradation. I have no problem meeting you there, just like if you were to list something that’s almost entirely top notes, like 4711, I also would have little to no interest in a vintage bottle because there will be little to no worthwhile fragrance left. I’ve never argued it doesn’t happen, it’s that a fragrance (most fragrances, anyway) is more than the short lived top notes, they can continue to exist and have value as just heart and base notes. You somehow have convinced yourself otherwise.

Are you even capable of admitting you were wrong regarding your original example of Infusion d'Iris Cèdre?

>you felt that I personally attacked your vintage poopoo water
It’s hilarious to me that you think that I’m some die hard vintage enthusiast. I have… 5? vintage frags in my collection, and one or two of them barely even qualify as vintage.
It goes without saying at this point that neither of us is going to convince the other, but for your sake I hope you can eventually come to see you can enjoy ‘incomplete’ things, including fragrances.

I like nail polish remover smell any frags that smell like it?

>>18787130
I'm wearing Derby right now and it smells amazing. It hasn't had its 40th birthday yet, probably only about 30. I have other stuff that is over 40 years old, Chamade, No. 5 Cologne, Ted Lapidus pour Homme, Patou pour Homme, etc.., and they all smell amazing. To be clear I'm not saying they smell ok or just good, they smell truly amazing. I have many others that are 30+, or 20+, and they also smell just as good. You know what I don't have? Anything that smells "funky" or "off". You can blame my nose all you want but you can see countless reviews from stuff that's over 40 years old and other than a tiny fraction that went through hell, none of it smells bad. I know you can't be convinced because you dug yourself a bottomless pit but you're dead wrong. If you don't trust my nose and you don't trust the countless reviews, anecdotally people love and complement these ancient perfumes I'm wearing. Even if you believe what you're saying I still would never wish that you would miss out on these vintage perfume. I'm not saying you have to own them but without hyperbole I consider it sinful to miss out on smelling at least some of them. They can't be made again and they haven't been able to make anything that smells like it yet.

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>>18787457
>You’re throwing all pretense of arguing the original point (...) trying to save face by being right about something
Literally and unironically: no you. Did you think that by accusing me of what you're doing, you could get away with it?

I'll break it down into easy chunks for you so
1. You can understand it
2. Any weaseling you continue to do will be particularly embarrassing.

Your claim:
>only the top notes tend to fade away, and those don't last long anyways!
Already addressed all the way back here: >>18787061 and here >>18787129

Just in case you're as blind as you are anosmic, I even screencapped the relevant parts for you, so your selective reading doesn't act up again. Consult picrel.

So no, it's not "just the top notes". It's very commonly also the heart notes that fade away. Or worse, oxidize into something else that also has a scent of its own.
If all of the top notes and half of the heart notes of a fragrance have faded away or changed in smell, nobody in good conscience can say that fragrance is still as good as new. If someone tried to sell you ANY product with 10-50% of its advertised ingredients either missing, undetectable, or downright different, you'd throw a fit.

Your follow-up claim:
>well fine, those notes fade away, but the frag can continue to exist and have value
Already addressed multiple times. I've been saying since my first post, you are free to enjoy your degraded base-notes-only fragrances. Or stale bread. Or flat soda. Nobody can tell you what to enjoy. One man's trash is another man's treasure, yadda yadda.
But if Kroger or Walmart tries to sell flat soda or stale bread, see how well that goes over with their customers.
And if Macy's or Kohl's ever starts selling fragrances with all of the advertised top notes missing, let me know and I'll retract everthing I said. To YOU and a few autistic collectors online, these things might have value. To the vast majority of buyers including me, they've simply just "gone bad".

>>18787471
Acetone

>>18787479
>my anecdotes are better than your anecdotes because...they just are mmm'kay?
Lol.
Also, do you understand there is a difference between smells "amazing" and smells "accurate"?
Take two bottles from the same formulation or batch. Keep one sealed for 20 years, while spraying the other one and leaving it out on the countertop or whatever. Unfortunately there is no time machine to instantly test the results, but I've had very similar scenarios happen with my own collection. Let me tell you: they do not smell the same.
You just don't remember how your bottle smelled 40 years ago, or more likely you weren't even the first owner of that bottle so you never even smelled the original sprays.

>>18787471
Fischersund no.54
become the lacquerman

winter - la nuit de l'homme edt 2009/2010 only
summer - allure homme sport edt

>>18787482
>still can’t admit he was wrong about anything
hopeless

>>18787487
You said they "go bad", you said "funky" or "off" and neither of those things are true. You were wrong. In my anecdotes, and as previously stated in the countless reviews, they smell great. You're in the minority. In my experience with buying multiple vintage bottles of random provenance I have 1) two 17 year old partials from adjacent batches that smell slightly different but neither is bad 2) two 30+ year old partials that smell the same 3) two 15+ year old partials that smell the same 4) a 9 year old partial that smells slightly different to a brand new bottle but not bad.

I honestly stopped buying backups because they either smell the same or very close. I've seen more variance in new fragrances from sample to new bottle or from store tester to new bottles than I have seen in random vintage bottles.

TLDR: Vintage fragrances don't magically all go bad other than the few that were in terrible conditions. You get accuracy issues in modern fragrances just like you do in vintage bottles.

>>18787487
>>18787548
just so you know, you aren't "trolling" anybody because nobody's reading your posts.

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>SOTD: Nicolai Musc Intense
clean musk+pear frag, unisex (a bit feminine leaning), smells a lot like the classic Nivea hand cream, very comfy

>>18787502
Sorry I can't smell anything the performance is too poor

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Would you say LDDM is a good signature fragrance? Or are there better ones in the same vein?

>>18787588
>cumin
I wouldn't

>>18787590
Why?

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Thoughts?

>>18787545
>non-response
Consult: >>18787441

>>18787548
>they don't go bad because I said so
Nice argument.
>>18787549
>I'm not reading
Yes, you've already made that quite evident lmao. I accept your concession.

Guys I like the clean twink aesthetic. Sweet but masculine fragrances, think baccarat rouge 540, another 13, bleecker st, etc. can you give me some recs?

Got a Bottled Beyond EdP sample. What do I think of it? I smells really nice.

>>18787588
it's decent, but just about everyone likes au coeur more. If someone gave me a bottle of LDDM I would ues it, but wouldn't buy it myself. I've tested both LDDM and ACDD. It has relatively strong performance, not sure you wanna have that everywhere every day you go. It gets annoying quick in the gym and in the office

>>18787601
dior homme, any variant, is the absolute most effeminate twink fragrance for "men" you can get

>>18787609
I hate iris and I hate dior homme.

>>18787591
Cumin unironically smells like body odor to me, can’t stand the smell. Happy for the people that do enjoy it but it’s not something I want any part of

>>18787593
Get a triumph of bacchus decant
>>18787601
Musk Therapy, Toy Boy, Gentle Fluidity Silver, Lazy Sunday Morning

>>18787607
ACDD is less spices, more amber right? Isn't it less versatile?
>strong performance
I don't mind loud scents, though I'm worried about the summer

>>18787607
Weird, I liked LDDM quite a bit more since it is more airy and aromatic. ACDD was too resinous and balsamic.

>>18787614
Tried musk therapy and gfs. Liked em ok. Never tried toy boy but I don't like cheap fragrances they have this artificiality about them like the aftertaste of soda or candy. What does lazy Sunday morning compare to?

I like Iris but dior homme is too lipsticky for me

>>18787622
Consult: >>18786846
L'Homme is one of my all time favs, but probably try a sample first to be safe.

>>18787599
I said so, my experience says so, the people around me say so, the experiences random strangers says so. Your argument went from "they all go bad" to "it's your nose" to "they get funky" to "they're not the exact same". Meanwhile, I'm wearing vintage Romance for Men today and it smells amazing even if it's only 20+ years old.

I need you to know all the time you've spent wriggling around like a worm that touched salt I've been enjoying these ancient relics. I have yet to find anything bad about them.

>>18787626
>my anecdotes said so
Yes, keep enjoying your moldy bread like I said.

I do like how you finally stopped attempting to weasel out of the argument convincingly and simply resorted to "well I'm enjoying my oxidized frags".
Had you pegged correctly from the very beginning lmao

>>18787617
That is the consensus. Most people like LADDM better.

>>18787627
Nice projection when you're the one that said they all go bad then wriggled around until you landed on "accuracy". They don't go bad, they smell great and everyone enjoys them. You're the only one that's wrong.

>>18787632
Keep coping.

>>18787621
It’s another Musky Clean Laundry scent, your local Sephora will have a bottle you can sample. Smells like freshly laundered sheets.

>>18787601
Go back a couple threads, there were some graphs posted for this.

>>18787622
Try Valentino Uomo (not the BiR series, it sucks)

>>18787588
>>18787590
While >>18787612 is accurate for a fair number of people (myself included), just because a fragrance lists a cumin note doesn’t mean the fragrance will carry the body odor scent. A great example is Spicebomb Extreme, lists cumin but is wildly popular and I personally have never seen anyone describe it as having a body odor scent, and I don’t register it either. LADDM is the same, I get no body odor. Eau d’Hermes on the other hand, listed cumin note and it smells like a 2 week unwashed armpit. It’s very fragrance dependent.

>>18787641
Fuck u

>>18787588
won't this make me smell like an Arab in a spice market?

>>18787664
Fuck you, I was trying to be helpful

>>18787621
Toy Boy punches far above its weight for the price.

>>18787678
no

>>18787678
a market offers variety, this fragrance is basically just cumin

>>18787622
give gris charnel a whirl. its not my favorite iris because i prefer the lipstick vibe but its definitely good

>>18787679
Bitch

thoughts on Roja Dove/London perfumes?

>>18787696
lol roger bird
overpriced sloppa ofc

>>18787655
Hmmm, I’ll go to Sephora and give Spicebomb Extreme a sniff just so I’m less ignorant

>>18787678
It will make you smell like a european sex tourist waking up at dawn after a night of debaucherous homosex and looking out of your balcony at the Arabian 3-star hotel you're staying at and smelling the warm desert air.

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>>18787593
>Enclave
patchouli and mint; fresh AND dirty. interesting fragrance, that I enjoy more in the spring and summer.
>Maracuja
Good luck. All of those Crivelli frags are chemical warfare. Maracuja is oud and THICCC jammy sweetness.
>Decision
Wisemen notes (myrrh and frankincense). I really enjoy it ,but I still think Meander is the best of the house.
>Ombre Leather
It's ombre leather. The core of the smell is still that soft leather, and frankly I think the original EdP that was leather and floral was the best composition.
>Dorval
I smelled it at the mall a few weeks ago and it was so 'okay' that I don't remember it at all. It's another designer frag for $450

Can you guys recommend me a perfumer documentary? I'd like to learn more about the profession.

>>18787737
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer (2006)

>>18787741
hurr durr

Help I read the links and tried to filter shit on fragrance net but I am deeply retarded.
Looking for WOOD. Not PINE. I wanna smell like PAPER and SALT and SANDALWOOD. I have never worn cologne in my life. I am homosexual.
Preferably under 50 dollarydoos.

>>18787747
I also don't want it to smell (too) sweet.

>>18787747
Commodity Book
Bois de Balincourt

>>18787041
Hurts, but you’re right

>>18787750
Thank you very much

>>18787710
>Wisemen notes (myrrh and frankincense).
Anything in that vein with good performance but that doesn't cost 400?

>>18787754
>Anything in that vein with good performance but that doesn't cost 400?
encre noire a l'extreme or serge lutens amre sultan

Best tobacco frags for winter and for summer?
For winter I'm looking for something like jazz club (rum, tobacco, vanilla) but better
For summer I'll go with montabaco intensivo unless something better exists

Still haven't found a better cherry than Stronger With You Powerfully

>>18787691
How's the Extrait

>>18787767
nta but i like the extrait. feels thicker and creamier which works well when it's slightly colder out

any anons have an opinion on Strange Heavens Out of the Blue?

>>18787767
never actually tried it desu. it looks more like a dense cold weather iris fragrance which theres nothing wrong with but i prefer iris scents i can pull off all year round

>>18787622
This might be a case where the new L’Exclusif BdC has some merit. It’s still overpriced for what it is, but it definitely has an unlisted iris note - which I normally hate but this one is minor enough to be acceptable in my book.

>>18787700
Respect to those willing to experience things.

>>18787737
There’s a British video broken up into three different chapters somewhere on YouTube. One of them is titled… “Something New” I think? Honestly I can’t remember but it was a rather interesting documentary. Covers perfumers, different houses, bringing a fragrance to market and different tactics. Also, honestly, >>18787741 isn’t the worst suggestion. It’s more entertainment than informative, but if you know nothing or very little the cursory things mentioned like steam distillation and enfleurage can be somewhat informative as well.

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Gonna try some originals and their dupes, how's the selection? Thinking of ditching Vento Impetuoso but I like atmospheric marine scents
>>18787762
It's bretty good indeed, didn't really enjoy base SWY because it seemed uninspired but at least Powerfully has character

How does Prada L'Homme compare to the Intense version?

>>18787873
Pretty good, although I dunno if you need 2 vials of the Aventus to get a feel for it. It's also one of the most cloned frags in existence

>>18787482
For the record, I’m back, and >>18787457 was the last thing I posted before going to bed last night. So every(one?) that you’ve responded to since then has been someone else, and the fact that you think it was still me, despite the wildly different posting style, just shows a complete lack of intelligence, similar to how you didn’t recognize me quoting your use of the word “shite”.

That said, >>18787545 pretty much sums up all that needs to be said. You are clearly incapable of admitting you’re wrong, even when I have proved it so beyond a doubt (see >>18787457 third “paragraph”/sentence). When you can’t even admit that, there’s no point in continuing.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and presume neither >18787441 nor >18787599 were actually you, and was just someone attempting to troll and agitate us both, as the responses seem too cringe to be you, but honestly your posts got increasingly more ad hominem as they went on, so it’s not out of the question.

Regardless, I won’t be responding beyond this. I would advise everyone else to do the same but I’m certain some will anyways. Feel free to get in your last word or whatever you’d like to feel you’ve won and/or are superior.

>Also, sorry, no, I didn’t have time to read that paper while I was at work today. Perhaps another day.

>>18787737
>>18787866
You can search “BBC Perfume Documentary Part 1” and it should come up, first one is Something Old, Something New. Each of them is about an hour long, so fair bit to watch.

>>18787754
The wisemen notes tend to feel like alcohol evaporating (cooling from evaporation, but quite strong). That said, Decision is particularly "clean", as in: NOT soapy, dark, woody, juicy, sweet. it's just clean evaporation with some berry shit in the back. so here's my recommendation

H24: clean with berry shit in the back, but a different approach on the designer side; not the same effect, but same 'vibe'
This is him! (less close) / This is Really him! (more close): a clean incense (kinda) designer with metallic vanilla instead of berries. closer to Decision, and generally unknown, but very nice.
Fahrenheit: This is a stretch, but the evaporating chemical smell is similar, otherwise they're almost opposites (I recommend Fahrenheit Parfum because it's easier to actually wear)

Actually similar, but fucking expensive, and not particularly appealing: Dior New Look 2024. Kurkdijan said it's supposed to be the steam that presses fresh clothes. I think it smells like the Sun cooking comets in space into complete sterility. Either way it's fucking strong, 'clean' (or sterile), evaporating, with a wiseman note at the heart. The rating is ass and it sold like dogshit so you may be able to pick it up on the cheap on mercari or ebay.

>>18787737
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09SFaCl49qg

>>18787878
I don't keep track of "writing styles" in a juice sniffing general on the deadest board of the site lol. And it doesn't really matter who's replying anyways, since my contention remains the same with anyone.

>even when I have proved it so beyond a doubt
You have proved nothing. You still haven't made even an attempt at a rebuttal to my currently standing argument >>18787482 because we both know you are unable to.
I'm glad you finally dropped the act, but I must admit it was pretty funny to watch you squirm and try every trick in the book to avoid addressing the actual argument.

>your posts got increasingly more ad hominem
Any ad homs I posted were either accompanied by actual substance elsewhere in the post, or they were replies to complete non-responses and simply returning their same energy.

>Feel free to get in your last word or whatever you’d like to feel you’ve won and/or are superior.
It's not something I feel, it's something I know. When one party stops addressing the actual argument, the other wins. That's how debates work.

>>18787876
I've only ever tried the Intense, but I've seen people say that it's just a more leathery version of the base, which makes is more mature but also a better all-rounder for the night instead of just a clean work scent. If you like intense, the regular should just be a lighter/softer version of it.

>>18787873
What site are you using

i tried on some dior fahrenheit today and i didn't smell gasoline at all. it does smell good nonetheless

>>18787759
Versace The Dreamer

>>18786987
Please responge.

>>18787951
Neither get game of spades full house

imagine going schizo over smelly water

How big is your bottle collection

>>18788019
220

>>18788019
around 30

>>18786987
for something you're going to wear year round... don't buy a dupe. just save your money and buy Imaginatio

>>18787973
I'm sure your hobby's and interests aren't stupid at all anon...

>>18786987
I enjoy SOTRSD a lot, own the Intense but I consider the regular version the most accurate version. If you enjoy citric juicy ginger frags I'd say go for it, but a Layton/Y EDP dupe would be more versatile for day and night wear and suitable for most climates as well. Get the one you enjoy most.
>>18788043
>just save your money and buy Imaginatio
In the time he's saving money for imagination, he could buy both of those dupes 10 times. Alternatively he could probably get 6 good designer frags and complete a collection. Or even get 3 good designers, one dupe and a niche.

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Idk if anyone cares about Boucheron's premium line, but this and the Ambre one are pretty snice. More or less just a smoother and slightly sweet version of Oud Malaki, or a Halfeti without florals.

>>18787876
way more powdery but still easier to wear for any occasion
>>18787873
l'eau is great. probably my favorite freshie of all time because its not just another blue or fruity musk

Is there a convenient place for me to track all the new fragrance releases of major brands or do I just have to rely on fragrantica articles

>>18787879
Thanks is there a hd version all I can find are low res 480 rips

>>18788096
Fragrantica only has articles for paid news copy and the editor's lates AI fever dream. Their search is clunky. You can sort by new releases on parfumo: https://par.fm/eML6j

Do I need to be cleanly shaved to wear a fougere?

Thanks for the help, my /frag/ies
>>18787877
I know, I just want to get a sense of how Creed does both Aventus and at least one other flanker, chose Absolu because I enjoy Supremacy Collectors
>>18787913
It's a brazilian decant store, Heinzen Decants
>>18788095
I'm trying all of L'homme versions because I love Intense and need to find at least one flanker that's close enough to it since the availability of that frag is a issue here for now. That or a dupe that has some good iris, that's why Obsidian is in there too
>SOTD Yatagan

>>18788078
Getting a sample of Ambre d’Alexandrie, looks bretty gud

>>18788104
>I enjoy supremacy collectors
Nta
I bought a bottle months ago and found it lack luster. Could you tell me what you enjoy about it. I’m going to revisit it and see if my opinion has changed

What's the difference between Torino21 and XJ 1861 Renaissance?
They both smell like minty lemon to me

>>18788104
>I know, I just want to get a sense of how Creed does both Aventus and at least one other flanker
Oh I meant just normal Aventus. In your image you seem to have added 2 vials of that to your cart.

Tfw I kinda miss jeremy before he got his lobotomy.

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Which one?

What are some other candidates for the role of clean, inoffensive everyday year-round office scent?

>>18788185
>clean, inoffensive everyday year-round office scent?
Bois Imperial
Another 13
GIT
Imagination
Montabaco Intensivo

>>18788185
Prada L'Homme
Colonia and any of its flankers

Thoughts on Chergui?

also i know im out of season, but what are some good fresh Green and herbaceous perfumes you'd recommend?
i own H24 EDP but it feels a little thick

>>18788185
MYSLF L’Absolu

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what perfume will calm me down from weed paranoia

>>18788212
Doesn't matter. They are already onto you. Some of them are even in your walls.

>>18788185
paradigme

What kind of scents do 18 year old girls like on men?

>>18788223
At that age they are just glad if you don't smell like a gym locker.

>>18788224
what about 30 year olds? or 50 year old ladies?

>>18788224
>>18788225
Honest question. What kind of scents do women find attractive in men when they age?

>>18788232
women hate post-twink death men

>>18788234
>women hate post-twink death men
Could you write that in a sentence I understand?

>>18788232
That’s like asking what women’s favorite food is. There is no one right answer
(The answer for both of those Sushi and Stronger With You btw)

>>18788238
>Stronger With You
Could I wear this at work?

>>18788241
If you aren’t a bitch, yeah.
Also in case it wasn’t clear go for one of the flankers you like, not the OG. The popular vote is Intensely but imo Powerfully is the best

Stronger with You Respectfully

>>18788244
>go for one of the flankers you like, not the OG
why?

>>18788254
They’re just better, simple as that.
>>18788249
Don’t give them any ideas, if I see this released in a year I’m blaming you

>>18788238
>tfw everyone loves SWY but I can't stand it
that candied chestnut note just annoys me

>>18788249
Stronger With You Consensually

>>18788274
Stronger with You M'lady

>>18788276
kek

>>18788249
>Weaker with You
what would it smell like

>>18788278
top: metallic notes, bergamot
middle: patchouli, cumin
base: hedione, civet, styrax

>>18788283
Wouldn't this smell bad? Like not even interesting bad just bad

>>18788185
>Percival
just get platinum egoiste. its cheaper, higher quality and the bottle looks better

>>18788232
whatever scent the guy with the most money is wearing

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>>18788185
Percival is based on Fierce
Speed Legends is an entirely new 'sports' fragrance smell that I think competes with Aventus. A crystal clear crisp slightly insense-y frag. Btw I think Speed has two flankers at this point. I don't think Speed is an office frag.

Actually nice Office scents:
1) Prada L'Homme (already mentioned; the original not intense)
2) D&G The One EdT (the very first original, not the EdP)
3) Guerlain - L'Homme Ideal Edt (The entire line, but the EdT is safest and most universal 9.5/10)
4) Eau de Guerlain - Platonic ideal of a cologne
5) Bleu de Chanel - It has worked, it works, it will work. The edt; lighter easier fresher most universal.
6) Boss Bottled - The original from 1998. Incredibly pleasant and nice and safe
7) Essential Parfums - Fig Infusion ; slightly dirty fig. Fig is lightly juicy and sweet. Very nice
8) Boss bottled infinite - sportier lavender and rosemary; moving and grooving office scent
9 ) Boss bottled Beyond - Easy approachable ginger + leather. Boss bottled line is 50% office safe and the other 50% is middle east experiments (elixir, absolu, triumpth, parfum.)
10) Montblanc Individual - Really nice and easy cooling sandalwood
11) Geo F Trumper Sandalwood cologne - Really nice and easy warming sandalwood with a citrus mist above
12) Acqua de Parma Colonia Intensa; Alberto Morillas + Francois Demanchy. Platonic ideal of an office scent. citruses with a very smooooooth landing. cooling vibe. nice and clean. low projection good sillage.
13) For Hermes I'll skip Terre cuz everyone knows that one and say Eau d'Orange Verte
14) For Caron instead of Pour un homme de Caron I'll say Le 3E. very interesting dirty (old school) yuzu
15) Givenchy Gentleman (2017) EdT - A fucking highlight that's completely forgotten. The Iris + pear + sandalwood is one of the best things i've ever smelled, and no one knows or cares. The rest of Givenchy hasn't hooked me.

>>18788121
I enjoy how it's a fruity citric that actually stays with you, evolving into this soft but bright scent. First frag that I can actually feel the juicy pineapple and woods blended really well.
>>18788147
Oh yeah but that's because for this decant I have to order 2 0.5 ml one to get one 1ml. Should be enough to try a couple times
>>18788204
>MYSLF L’Absolu
Can vouch for that one, actually surprised me when I tried it at Sephora. Kinda stupid price point though

>edt in the office
Lol beta bitch, I want Stacy to smell me

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>>18788363
>indirect seethe reply calling anyone a beta bitch

>>18788019
35

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>>18788318
wtf, a good collection of frags on /fa/, in this economy?

>sotd: Nicolai Amber Oud

oud sucks and im sick of pretending it doesn't

Thoughts on Mizensir?

>>18788019
66 units are ready, with millions more well on the way.

>>18788212
Chamade

>>18788398
No shit dumbass. It was used to cover up the intense body odor from middle eastern men who don't shower

Am I gay if I prefer perfume aimed at women?

>>18788454
yeah

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I blind bought a bottle of this. What am I in for?

>>18788462
meh, generic slop marketed as "old timey" apothecary perfume.

>>18788454
Some of my favorite perfumes are for women. They're not gay, now "unisex" perfume, that's real homo. I also have a schizo theory that women's fragrances are the only real perfumery.

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This just arrived and it smells like sprite with coriander and carnation. Kinda like Kouros but aldehydes swapped with sprite, I guess. And the coriander is stronger.

>>18788398
it's just an ingredient, it's just that it's currently overhyped and the perfumes that make it a centerpiece suck.

>>18788506
Ok it settled and yes it's now a more animalic kouros to the point where the clean-dirty tension is gone. Still fun.

Both Hawas Ice & Fire are good

valentino uomo intense > dior homme intense

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>>18788318
Good list.

>>18788398
why you gae?

>>18788540
Tell me about Le 3e Homme. How do you like it?

>>18788454
yes anon the moment you spray the perfume, you have an insatiable lust for cocks you didnt have before

>>18788454
When one is hungry one thinks of sandwiches

>>18788454
I don't like girls perfume and I hate girls. Not sexually attracted to them at all. If you smell like a girl I won't fuck you. Simple as.

>>18788526
I’ll buy a lot middle eastern shit but I will not buy hawas, those bottles look like shit

>>18788555
trips confirm

>been curious about egoiste for awhile now
>dont really want to blind buy considering its profile isnt something i know i'd probably like
>it's not even carried in stores either except maybe at chanel boutiques but even then probably not
Chanel pisses me off sometimes. Wouldnt be an issue if they'd at least sell samples.

Speaking of blind buys what was your best one and worst? Did /frag/ ever trick you?

>>18788684
>worst
Cèdre Encens/Eau des Baux (L'Occitane en Provence); headache inducing bugspray