The zoomie within edition>Who is /fat/ for?For Marbled Millennials who are working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/>What do I do first?1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros) or LoseIt (great for both).>Now what?Count calories, all of them.Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.Buy scales, be accurate.Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy diseased heart, but you can offset the risks.Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.Drink more water.Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html>DON'TEat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of carbohydrates.Eat processed foods.Drink your carbohydrates(alcohol, soda, Starbucks).Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks."Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.>Other resources:Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/Reddit Wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faqPrevious threads: >>75437403 >>75434070
>used to be fat>can't help but plap fattiesBros why is this, pic related me on the right
Threadly reminder
>>75444050>Have a great first day yesterday >Workout in the AM>1700 calories on the dot >Go to GF's house>She brings out these special cookies and asks me to have one. >It's 300 calories for a half-dollar sized cookie >Back to square one
>>75444050You are genuinely mentally ill
>>75444050Millennials hate zoomers because zoomers are right wing, lift, and prefer being lean and having abs to muh SBD
My weight loss has really slowed this month, I'm only losing 0.5kg a week compared to 1kg that I was the last two months.
>>75444122>zoomers are right wingZoomers are Mexicans, niggers and troons.
>>75444131Meanwhile Millennial """men""" vote majority Democrat
>>75444131sample source: xitter dot com.face it, you lost in the cringe/based generational cyclegreatest - basedboomers - cringegenx - basedmillennials - cringezoomers - basedgenalpha - cringe FACT
>the ai slop spamming zoomie is also a poltardWho could have guessed
>>75444065Thanks for the reminder, Miku
>>75444161Retard
>>75444188You skipped Silent Generation (between Greatest and Boomer). Silent are Xer’s parents who are in turn Zoomer’s parents who will in turn be Gen Beta’s parentsOn the other side you’ve got Greatest => Boomer => Millennial => Gen AlphaMillennials really take after their parents: a strong sense of entitlement and arrogance but instead of being rich like their parents Millennials are five or six figures in college debt from getting a liberal arts degree
>>75444207>Statista screenshotlol
Based OP
>>75444059I don’t mind a girls with a little curves but girls like your pic would make me want to fucking vomit
>>75444050He’s over 300lbsHe doesn’t have much to look forward to in life, but he had his nun threadsAnd you TOOK that from him
>>75444207https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/election-2024-voters-demographics-votecast-survey-5a21c604
>>75444327there's literally nothing stopping anyone from making a threador posting nuns within the thread
>>75444372>>75444327What's this hamplanet drama?All I know about is the ketolard vs CICO flamewarst. only sporadically browse when I'm cutting
Gentlemen BEHOLD! I have lost weight!20 pounds since August!
>>75444379some people want only the nun comics as the op image, some people want other stuff, some post AI images, people complain in the comments, people call each other schizos, zoomies, fat, etc.
>>75444396iii...uhhh....where are your legs?
>BMI . . . le BAD!>I have NO LEGS>so I'm not OBESE according to BMI>BUT I AM>hence BMI . . . le BAD!>I am very smart indeed.
today i went up 4 flights of stairs without even breathing hard. didn't even realize i had done it until a couple minutes later
the human body is 60% waterevery liter is a kilogramso we just need a little straw to suck out the water and you are 40% of your current weight
>>7544450231% of that water is bones, you'd have no bones if you'd suck that out
>>75444508to be fair bones sound super heavywe should probably store them outside the body, and just not count them towards the weight total
>>75444225>strong sense of entitlement and arroganceNot most of the millennials I know. Considering the shit they grew up with, particularly early adulthood, they're happy just to be doing sort of well.>not rich like their parentsTrue, for the most part.
>>75444508I was always told I was big boned as a kid I should have said it is just water weight mom you bitch
This general is cringe as fuck now
>>75444625because people are less fat now
>>75444625Better than ketolard and cabine attention whore
>>75444649I'd take them any day over ai slop poltard zoomie
>>75444625I blame fatty contest weekly reports being broken.
>>75444625>>75444656see >>75444327
>>75444656why do you think op is a zoomie, schizo
>>75444695Because you are, faggot.
>>75444695he’s seething because the pic in op is making fun of him
>>75444704it's been a while since I had to use this image
>>75444122>>75444131>>75444161>>75444188>>75444207>>75444225>>75444240>>75444334>>75444581>700387230984 places online to talk politics>723824 /pol/ bait threads in current /fit/ catalog to talk politics>choose /fat/ general insteaddie you dumb fucking retards
What do we do about the fatty contest? Was it run by one guy who gave up? Has anybody heard from him at all? Can we fix it?
>>75444740whats wrong with it
>>75444625>now
>>75444050I'm already very skinny and I don't need to lose fat, but I've been fat before. And I'm just checking into this thread to tell you that if you're here and you're making an effort, you're already well on your way and better off than the people who are just lazing around in their own misery wishing they could change. You will make it. I'm rooting for all of you. God bless, all of you.
>>75444853>the people who are just lazing around in their own miserybut that is mei'm not doing anything. Eating less is just one less thing i'm doing. And it's inspiring misery.it's just a long road of misery towards happiness, just like everything in life
>>75444908Ok
Loosing weight for them.
>>75444911sorry don't mean to be negative i'm hungry as fuckthanks for your support
>>75444908Starting lifting can help you feel a lot better.With reasonable expectations you'd be surprised how much better exercise can make you feel. There's always something that can be done, even swimming can help you get out of your head.Also spending time documenting your journey can help keep you in a growth mindset.
>>75444730it's ok little liberal millennialito
>>75444913for twinks?
>>75444802last week's report wasn't created. seems to still be tracking entries though
I've exercised for almost 10 hours this month so far.Who mogs me?
>>75445168Shut up zoomie
>>75445168My workouts take about 90 minutes each, 3 workouts a week, and I also do 30 minutes of cardio per day, most days.Granted, I often rest 3 to 5 minutes between sets so the actual time hurting my muscles per workout isn't quite that long.
weighing myself for the first time in 4 weeks at my parents' next weekend (I don't have a scale lol) I'm gonna end it if I have not lost at least 5 kilos
Hey /fat/ I'm >>75432578 >>75432956I completed my 100 day streak of at least 6k steps a day. As I mentioned I frauded like 4 days or so because I had the shits, but still, wanted to share this with you.I actually went back and found the very first post I made in this general, 5 months ago >>74443425https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/74439673/#q74443425Here I talk about how I was so fat that I was too embarrassed to go outside, in the last few weeks I was getting all my slop delivered even though the grocery store is a 5 minute walk from home.I lost my first few kg by diet alone, and little by little I got better and was able to go outside. A few weeks in I came to the realisation that I was not delusional or depressed or anything like that, I now believe I was objectively right to be embarrassed. Getting to this conclusion hurt a lot, the fact that, yes, I was disgusting and everybody could see that, and that yes they were probably thinking about it.I'm doing much better these days, I still have some way to go but I have a realistic chance of Making It next year. I don't know what advice to give you, especially if you're stuck trying to start to lose weight. The most difficult part is starting, taking the decision to become a better person. I'm not sure how I did it myself. The only advice is, just do one day at a time. Eat well today. Go walk today. Don't think about the next 5 months or however fucking long you need to reverse the damage. Tomorrow is another day, and you just have to choose to eat right and do some activity today, there are no other days. But it's always today, if that makes sense, don't eat less tomorrow, eat less today.
this tread actually got traction?
>>75445352end your diet?
>>75445446I meant an heroing so yeah consequently I would end my diet
>>75445438
The only part I dislike about fasting is the poops. I’m either constipated or farting out a bucket of water with no real in between.
>>75445432awesome keep it up bro. wagmi
>>75445641Take 30g of Glaubersalt and be done with it in 2-3 hours, then enjoy your fast.
Is it cheating if I soak up the brine from my feta with a paper towel before I weigh it?
Got freaking sick and broke like a 40 day streak for a few days (I started late sept). Im not gonna make it
>>75444050Being fat isn't worth the health risks. It literally isn't. I ruined my life from being fat. I'm an ex fat and I'm tired of people making excuses. I can only ever mitigate the damage that was done.
>>75444625Then you better stay on track so you can leave this SHITHOLE when you hit your goal
>>75445770Its body positivity week anon dont say that!
>>75445432Nice going fatso, keep up the good work lardass.For me how I started was something just flipped in me, like a switch was flipped, or a spark of otherworldly motivation. I'm nearly 90lbs down now, still got a good 50lbs or so to go. This switch or spark or w/e may have been both my subconscious mind and my body realizing all the bad habits I built the past several years were leading this meat-bag human to sure death, especially considering alcoholism nearly killed me.
>>75444050Can i break up my workout routine into high rep sets spread throughout the day?
>>75445856>For me how I started was something just flipped in me, like a switch was flipped, or a spark of otherworldly motivation.Same, its why its so difficult to help others. It truely has to come from within.
>>75445910Not an expert, but in my mind, yes.What matters is to complete each set in a timely fashion. Beyond that, the amount of rest between set doesn't matter. Unless you believe in supersets, in which case holy shit it matters so so much. But probably not.
>i try to religiously count cico, weigh myself twice a day, keep it at a 1000 calorie deficit for 2 weeks>i lose 3 pounds and immediately gain it back within 3 days of normal eating>i just don't eat for 5-6 days>i lose 10 pounds, 3 of which come back within a week of normal eating, 7 of which stay off for weeks until my next fast.If even 10% of people could actually pull of a serious fast, there would never again be an argument about what actually works for weight loss. The only reason theres any debate is that its not something most people can do.>t. down 86 lbs with 20 more to go
>>75445967Stopped reading at "normal eating".
>>75445967>siphons all your lean mass
>>75445985Don't you regain most of the lean mass if you refeed without carbs and carbs, focusing mostly on things that provide protein?
>>75445967nobody disputes that fasting "works" as in loses you weight in a hurryit's just not generally a good idea for other reasons (chiefly it doesn't help you keep the weight off afterwards)
>>75445964no, just mainly its easier for me to break up stuff throughout the day vs spending 1 hour or 2 at the gym doing it
>>75445964>What matters is to complete each set in a timely fashionno kiddinsometimes i take like 5-10 second breaks to breathe between the last couple reps on my squatsi just run outta breath. i even started cardio to remedy it and it didn't work
>>75445967Fasting doesnt work because youre trading one problematic behaviour for anotherIf you simply cant keep up reduced calorie fitness lifestyle change then you're gaining it all back plus change once you stop fastingLearn to eat normally rather than trying to get a cheat code. There's no such thing as a cheat code in losing weight. You're trading speed for chances of actually keeping it off
>>75446016Are you retarded?
Kinda surprise just how effective the fatty contest was at keeping me motivated.
30kg to goal weight, feels good man>>75445757Getting sick happens to the best of us. You gotta pick up the slack now that you're better, the past is in the past but the future is yours to take. WAGMI>>75445990lean mass doesnt come back easily.
>scall stalls for an entire week>bim, bam, boom>2 kg lost the next day???
lost 2 lbs this weekweight loss is so much easier when you have something to distract you
>>75446016The entire point of my post was that it actually does, and the people who don't support it are clearly coping because they cant do it.>>75446046he is, most definitely.
Should i just continue lifting? I have a too high fat percentage but i just feel my abs make me fat, and i also suspects there's a lot of fat under the abs which i need to burn. Still feel like a nice bulk, started lifting two weeks ago and quit drinking. Doing some cardio too.
>>75446036>There's no such thing as a cheat code in losing weight.Ozympic
>>75446139you yourself stated you gain weight back when you stop (and if you think you gain 3 pounds in a week of "normal eating" you have a serious case of fatty brain).what makes you think you won't KEEP gaining it once you reach your goal weight? do you intend to fast periodically for the rest of your life?
How do you guys deal with low energy post workout?I still have at least 6 hours left in my day and I feel completely exhausted.Is my volume/intensity too high?Am I at too harsh of a deficit?Should I stop training in the mornings?Should I take a midday nap?FYI I’m at a deficit of 500
>>75446230I could be at a 2k surplus and im still tired after working out, i could never do a morning workout and be effective for the rest of the daypeople that somehow "get more" energy from working out is beyond me
>>75446214Its immediately gained back when I cico. It stays off when I fast. I've taken 2 month breaks 3 times in this journey and it never came back.Fasting isn't just faster, its better.
Fellow fatties who lift, how has been your weight progression with a deficit? I've been stuck on few lifts and I am not sure if it's my deficit or training error
>>75444050My gf keeps making me enormous pasta dishes - xe'll cook a whole 500gbag of pasta for EACH of us and then cook 1kg of minced beef for EACH of us, and smother it with grated cheese. I love xem and don't want to lose xe - how can I get xem to cut my portions? I sweat heavily after eating and can't stop farting.
>>75444050have no interest in this thread because I'm not fat but I can tell whoever made this OP image is severely mentally ill and will never make itwill not be sticking around to read his retarded replies
>>75446441Thank you for taking some of your valuable skinny time to contribute nothing.
>>75446345close to nonexistentbut it's nothing to worry about. just maintaining your lifts during a long deficit is an achievement
We will break our bad habits my fatties.Take care of yourself, because no one else will.
>>75446345My fly's have been increasing steadily, bench press going up slow as a snail, hack squats, barbell squats both go up steadily, OHP quite slow, dumbell curls good lord, ever since I managed 2 reps of 45lbs it's just stalled, and now I have a sharp pain in my bicep that's been effecting almost all pull related lifts so I am taking a rest week.
irrelevant but fun benefit of no longer being fat: balancesomehow being on one foot is completely natural and effortless now. whenever i'm home alone i'm just hopping and spinning in place on one foot like a retarded cripple, for fun
>>75444625I’ve consumed 1,400 calories today and won’t consume any more. I WILL have abs by the end of the year, and I WILL be happy.
>>75446771Imagine being this anon and upon getting his abs he realizes they're asymmetrical as fuck and women mostly like big arms and shoulders.
>>75446802I’m doing it for myself and my own confidence. No woman has ever seen me without a shirt and no woman ever will.captcha: vajxxx
>>75446771I've been thinking about this today. I was really really skinny during my childhood and teenage years and fairly athletic too, and I never had abs. Maybe I should start isolating my abs.
>>75446809bro is trying to become the fittest monk in the monastery. respect
I might have abs this summer bros. They haven’t been visible a day in my life. It would make me so happy
I've got huge red stretch marks on my stomach. What's the point after scaring my body for life?
>>75446887Yeah there’s no point in living of being healthy now. Might as well go order some Domino’s bro. Get pepperoni, jalapeno, mushroom for me
>>75446176that's definitely fat. you would look shredded if you lost 10 lbs.
>>75446887Stretch marks fade over time until they're skin color/barely noticeable. Give it a couple years
>>75445967You could be like me>casually guestimate CICO>keep myself at a manageable non-arbitrary calorie deficit that fluctuates depending how I feel>weight loss is so easy that I can forget about it and enjoy the results in half a year
Finally putting my first progress pic together. Started a few days before August, down 60 pounds as of yesterday, November 11th. Still a fat piece of shit but I'm getting there! I'm assuming 35, maybe 40 more pounds before I look human again. WAGMI
>>75444050Hey guys, I haven't been here for a while
>>75446934good job anon, finish the year strong bud
>>75446946that bag is stained in evilcast it out of your home
it's sad that (relatively) healthy takeout food tends to be the expensive stuff
>>75446887If they're new and still red you have a chance. Look into professional microneedling and tretanoin
>>75446646she looks like a melted wax figurined
>>75446646>so just, like, bring me solo and the wookie
>>75446934>60lbs in 3 monthstf
>>75446979Takeout is for the weak, it's cattle feed for impulsive children. Make it easier to cook by ordering healthy groceries instead (really should be going to the grocery store, but baby steps)
>>75447017i cook everyday but a couple times a month it happens that you just don't feel like it or don't have ingredientsnothin wrong with things in moderation
>>75446345Absolutely zero progression. I might just have terrible genes though.
>>75446952Thanks man, I'm planning on it. It helps that my family's scattered to the winds and so I have no big holiday feasts to look forward to haha>>75446996Yep! Well, closer to 3 and a half now. OMAD and not drinking my calories seems to be paying off.
FatToFit, Day 13Current Weight: 203.6Calories Eaten: 1,480 (burger patty with cheese, rice, protein shake, grilled chicken)Protein Eaten: 110gExercise Today: 4x25 perfect push ups, 4 chin ups, 59 sit ups in 2min, 7mi run in 1:42:00Starting Weight: 211.8lbsHeight: 5'10"Goal: <15% bodyfatScrewed up my run today. I ran when it was hot out and I overestimated how well I could handle it, so I walked from 3.5mi into the run to the 5mi mark until I started running again. Overall good day though, probably too much rice.Tomorrow I'll do 4x25 push ups, 4mi run in the heat, test sit ups in 2min, and test how many chin ups I can do againPrevious: >>75442034
Fat to Fit day 0.ate some chargrill haven't weighed myself today probably ~290
>>75444059>>75444316My fat friend asked if i wanted to hang out. I think I might actually like her...
Didn't poop today, didn't poop yesterdayI better drop a mega doodoo before weigh-in tomorrow morning
>>75447138pic related
>>75447140Just do a /nopoop/ cycle
>>75447140Hope it goes easy for you anon. I went through a period a few weeks ago where I was going three days then shitting out what felt like cruise missiles.
i have a confessionmaybe once a week i eat ~50cals worth of pickles (1 jar) and don't count the calories
>>75447138Get plapping anon. Back in the day they'd call it hogging- the best way to break a dry spell and get your game back
>>75447167What's the point? That's basically nothing. Do you just really enjoy cheating?
WAGMI bros. Never go back
>>75447243NTA, but the ratio of crunching pickles in your mouth over their calorie intake is just super high.I could see the value of using them as crutches while detoxing.
Went well below 102 kilos today, after fluctuating between 102 and 103 for a couple of days.It seems that sub-100 before the New Years is pretty much guaranteed.
Dropped below 36 inch waist today. Super pleased.
>>75447260AYYYYY E LOST FOUR STONE INNIT THATS LIKE FOOKAN TEN QUID WORTH OF TESCOS FIVE DINGO MEAL DEAL INNIT KANT
>>75447274Proud of you kilometer man>>75447280Fuck yes. I'm trying to get like you man
I'm fucking dying at 180lbs I can't break it FUCK.
>>75447354Stop gooning
>>75447140Update: I dookied
I can’t wait to go home and shit
>>75447068I see those ribs emerging. Can't wait for the compilation webm of all the photos at the end man.
>be 300lbs>hire exercise bike for home >legs tired after 2 minutes on lowest settingi-it will get better right bros?
>>75447439Thanks Anon, me neither
>>75447504You'll gradually build up endurance. Do it everyday, a little bit more each day. Don't jump too far at once. First time I got on one around 240 lbs, it was probably 40 minutes, I felt like I was dying, drenched in swear, and I burned maybe 230 calories. I did it again the next day, hit around 260. Then 300. After 4 months, I was getting 700+ in an hour.Nowadays and over 100 lbs later, I do 2 hours and burn over 1000 while watching movies (I don't go as hard, it just passes the time). Just finished Gran Torino about an hour and a half ago.I only got back into it less than half a year ago, and I had lost a lot of my endurance and stamina and could barely walk after. But I got used to it after a week. My advice is to not push yourself too hard, because you can risk inflammation in your body which causes cold-like symptoms. You won't actually be sick, but your sinuses will be raw and you'll have a fever and no energy.
currently shitting
I don't know why some deranged zoomie decided to make this general his cringe obsession but its really ruined the comfy feeling.
>>75447525thanks anon for taking the time to write it all out, will do.
>>75447574I think the zoomie is messing with you because you're so entertaining when you get pissy. You're like a pinata, they whack you with a broom stick and delicious tears flow out.Are you even losing weight or were you just schizoing it up like it's a fatty support group?
I've managed to keep a gradual weight loss for almost 2 years now, from 340 to 260. In the past 2 months, I've been floating around this number but still eat close to the same calories (1900) with a 3 times a week gym visit. If I just rough it out and continue, will I get back to losing fat eventually, or do I need to eat less/change something?
>>75447664After losing 80lbs your TDEE has dropped a ton. Recalculate your bodyfat and TDEE using the links up top.I'm close to where you are, and when my daily calories start averaging above 1600 I stop losing weight noticeably.
>>75444050Wednesday weigh in. 93.4 kg.Slight aside from my weight loss, I've made a great personal revelation. I've had this constant upper back and right arm pain for nearly 4 years now. Started in Covid but I couldn't really get it checked out and so it just grew and grew a little bit every week until it became a real issue.I couldn't jerk off with my right arm because it couldn't do the up and down motion. Woke up with shoulder blade and upper trap pain, always had to roll it out. Felt like this tremendous knot underneath my right shoulder blade, impacted my right shoulder and arm movement. Couldn't raise my right arm without engaging my right part of neck and my upper body area. Couldn't ride my bike to work because my right arm just couldn't pull the handle to turn right. Same thing with driving where I just couldn't properly use to right arm to pull/turn the wheel to the right. Couldn't type properly because I couldn't move my arm from side to side without causing neck and right shoulder pain. Couldn't hold my neck straight without it twitching to the left and right with these weird muscles tryna keep it up.I just sorta accepted this shit as daily life pains. Then a few weeks back I got an appointment and the doc and insurance said I could go for physical therapy.One day the dude told me to do a tricep pulldown and then I did and then holy FUCK I felt my right arm activate like it hadn't in fucking years. Genuinely it felt like I was using a part of my arm that had gone dead for years. My god I can use my arm again, I forgot I could move it in such ways. I can lift my arm and pull stuff plus my neck and shoulder pain has reduced my about 75%.A lifechanger. Seems like my triceps was inactive and my other muscles where just overcompensating which resulted in these year-long issues. Can a key muscle just stay weak and unused like that for so long?
>>75447681Thank you, I'm not quite sure I get everything the calculator is saying, but 1600 appears to be really close to what it suggests. It's gonna be tough, but less portions is looking necessary.
>>75446934Dude thats great. You should be so proud of yourself. Happy for you.
>>75447764More veggies and water. Cook your veggies in the same pan as your meat, and they will get flavored by the meat
>>75447777Nice digits I really need to eat some different veg. I eat carrots and broccoli most nights just because its the easiest. I also have potato every night, just the protein changes. I really like corned beef, probably not super healthy but damn its easy to pop 2kg in the slow cooker on a Sunday and have meat for the entire week.
>>75446946suomixar?
>>75444050My mom baked cookies today and I ate about ten of them. I feel like absolute shit. Back in 2023 I was down to 170 from 220 but now I’m back over 200 again after I stopped exercising and made poor eating choices. Looking back at photos from last year my face looked so much better after the weight loss although I didn’t see it at the time.
>>75446345No real progression. Im looking better, leaner, veins popping, and I feel better from lifting, but yeh, no improvenment in lifts apart from after the first couple of weeks at all. Its not really why I go to the gym, I just have a little routine I enjoy, do a bit of cardio and get inspired to get and fit by being around others trying to improve themselves.
>>75447831Subtract ten cookies of calories from your limit tomorrow. Repent.
>>75447799Switch up your spices on different days. Try teriyaki, bbq, garlic, worchestershire, honey mustard, sriracha. Hell try some lemon in there. Changing the flavor can make your same old meal feel brand new
I do fine on weekdays, consuming somewhere between 1,500 to 1,800 calories on average but on the weekend I just end up binging due to boredom and opportunity, and end up consuming more than enough to take away the week’s progress.
>>75447863pick one>find more activities for the weekend>consume less calories during the week
>>75447863Stock up on healthy food to eat on the weekends. Buy some ingredients and plan out a meal to cook. Don't be ashamed to use grocery delivery if you're too tired to shop after work (but don't shop on an empty stomach). You make a big ass pot of broccoli stir fry that's only 90 calories a bowl, then it doesn't matter if you eat a little extra.Also, find something to occupy your time besides sitting around eating all day. Get away from the food so you have something to entertain your brain besides snacking. Go wander out into the woods. Piss on a tree.
>>75447922based tree pisser
>only losing 2lbs a weekIt's over
>>75447940Losing 1kg a week is fantastic, in fact it’s double the recommended amount. How much do you weigh?
Fatty ContestLivingGod77.9kg
>>75447831>Subtract ten cookies of calories from your limit tomorrow.
>>75448198You can break it up over several days. Fat is slow, weekly averages are king. You can make up for bad days.
>>75448204>over several days.>your limit tomorrow.
Ate very late today, so it all turned into an OMAD of sorts.>a plate of store-bought spaghetti in meat sauce>two pieces of hot chicken>a sub with mayo, salad, and ham>50g of potato chips>Dr Pepper>a pear1990 kcal today, doing great
>>75448239>OMAD>almost 2000calsLmao
>>75448239Brother you can't fucking call it an OMAD if you're eating 3 meals in one sitting. You didn't have one meal, you had one table
>>75448247>you can'tWho are you to tell me what I can and cannot do?It's one meal, I ate all of it back to back.Do you think "one meal" means "one dish"?What if I want to have a miso soup before my fried rice?Is it illegal?Do I have to subsist on that miso soup the entire day?Thought so.
>>75444050I've been steadily losing 10 lbs every 6 months. I'm a few months away from my goal. I haven't done any meme diets aside from making sure I eat whole foods over processed and count calories. Would it be dumb to try carnivore? I've seen a lot of lean physiques built off of carnivore but I've also heard horror stories of people shitting their pants or ruining their metabolism. Anyone know if it's a total meme or works? I want to get shredded.
>>75448268You replied to the wrong post you emotional retard. Eat less fatty.
>>75448268oink oink oink, the piggy is making a lot of noise
>>75448272>You replied to the wrong postOh, right, my bad>>75448268 was meant for >>75448263>you emotional retard. Eat less fatty.Keep projecting, lmao
>>75448274>no argumentI accept your concession, fatlard
>>75448275One of us is projecting, it ain't me.
>>75448283>One of us is projectingfacts>it ain't me.you wish, lmao
>>75448263>You didn't have one meal, you had one tablekek
>>75448287>anons standard OMAD meal
>>75448269Try it out, but keep an eye on yourself. If it's not working go back to your normal routine. Worst case scenario at least you'll be able to say "bro I did carnivore and that shit did NOT work"
>>75448269>carnivoreYeah, I have great results with eating only meat and butter. Been on that diet for roughly 2 years now.
>>75448269>I want to get shredded.What do you mean by that?Do you already have the necessary muscle mass and want to get leaner?Or do you want to train to gain mass while losing weight in the process?Keto diets, which carnivore is, reduce your performance in gym, so if you want to grow muscle it's not the best option.Just be at a slight calorie deficit + protein surplus and hit the gym - that's the best way to do body recomp.If you just want to lose fat - yeah, it might be good for it.Losing the fat is just about being at a consistent calorie deficit and sticking to it. Keto in general and carnivore specifically are just one of the approaches.There's no harm in trying - you can't "ruin your metabolism" by a diet, that's not how any of that works.
>>75448269Carnivore is a meme diet made up by grifters to sell you vitamins and courses.No, liver king didnt get steroid swole by eating raw meat, liver and only meatNo, influencer A didnt get otherwordly healthy by only eating meatNo, pill seller vitamin influencer didnt get rich, handsome and a big dick by only eating meatthis decade its meat only diet, next time its going to be blasting yourself with UV and radiation using a special device that influencers sell to peopleThen its going to be blended up MAN food thats made up of bulls bollocks and chicken brain thats the magic elixir for life osme year.If its weird but sounds like its crazy enough it might work because all the bros are vouching for it online and its being sold to you by a dudebro vitamin influencer then its all a lie
>>75444065Miku... you are very special to me
I'm only losing fat on my thighs. I just want to be able to fit into my old shirts for God's sake.
>finally reach fat loss goal>time to start taking lifting more srsly>i'm fucking ded from months of deficit>lifts go down and have no energy
>>75448582Just take a week where you eat at maintenance and don't lift to recover your nervous system and nourish whole body, then after that week you up your calorites by 100-200 and start lifting.
>>75448322Carnivore supplements are just salt. My only suspicion is some of the people on it are pinning test.
My bmi is 46, I'm in the death fat range. Is there any reason I shouldn't use a GLP-1 to get off the health precipice? I figure the risks of staying this weight far outweigh the risks of a GLP-1 but I won't pretend to be fully up to date on the literature.
>>75448607Yes, become a fellow Mounjaro Chad.
r8 my daily atm for my cut.cycle about 40 mins + swim 1hr + sauna 20 min each day, alongside 3x weight training a week.
>>75448239>>75448268imagine trying to "well achshkually" the laws of thermodynamicsyeah, retard you can call it one meal, but you're still the one consuming the most calories of all people in this weight loss threadstep up ngmi, dr pepper schizo
>>75448701If it works for them what's the issue? There are some supposed benefits from fasting too, like good hormone regulation, consuming cells that aren't healthy, and putting you in a fat burning state. I'm sure some of it is overstated, but if they're losing weight on OMAD no need to overthink it.
>>75448657>2300 calories on a cut are you 500lbs?
>>75444050Its been wild lately. I finally hit a long standing goal>5'10>170lbsI feel so fucking accomplished. I did it. All the water from 250lbs I did it. But, I still have fat attached to my loose skin. I'm not lean. I still have like 20lbs on my gut when I fully relax myself. I can see my jawline, but my face is still fat and I have chud lines. My next goal is 150, if I made it this far i know i can finish. >mfw someone who hasn't seen me since 250 asked what i did and insisted i look better than they ever saw me>when i say i have more weight to lose their eyes get big and concerned>"but you're skinny! I can see your bones!"Lolol not yet I'm not. The anorexic accusations are coming soon I can tell.
>>75448732>when i say i have more weight to lose their eyes get big and concerned>"but you're skinny! I can see your bones!"you will experience crab comments like never before, especially from your parents.
>>75448582At least now you know why people recommend lifting
>132Ibs on friday>128Ibs monday>currently at 126Ibsfeels good bros. WAGMI
>>75448657where is the cut
>>75448657>3100 calories burned
>>75448743My mom said i need a sandwich, my in-laws say they're finally proud of their son in law.
if you're counting calories and you go over one day, do you cut back the next? or just count it as a fuck up and move on?
>>75448837I usually correct the next day but I dont overdo it.Eating 500 calories or less the next day would be total failure for me. I'd be really hungry and end up binging or something.If I ate 1700 calories one day (too much) id eat maybe 1000 the next day. Or Id walk a longer to make up for it.>t. 141 lbs down from 180
>>75444050My mom got this shit online. >NATURALLY CURBS CRAVINGSThis multi-strain probiotic is formulated with beneficial bacteria that naturally increase GLP-1,* the “un-hunger” hormone that helps curb cravings & appetite.>91% reported reduced overall food cravings†>Enhances natural GLP-1 production*>These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.>*Based on preclinical studies>†Based on a consumer survey of 274 peopleHer fucking doctor told her the most pitiful shit that she wouldn't lose weight without wegovy because of menopause. That her diet of 3 meals and a midnight snack looked perfect. That she needed to eat less eggs because eggs make people fat. Best of all? Oh uhhh yeah your untreated cancer led to weight loss and you gained weight back after treatment because uhhhh you're in Starvation mode and you gotta eat more." I know she really wants to believe this shit, it's easier than "eat less". It's easier than "bake less". She's even uses this Yuka app but refuses to count calories.
Not even 8am yet and I've racked up 3.5k steps, feels good
>>75448851yeah im doing the same, next day i cut. I of course try to not go over but shit happens. I went over by 600 yesterday so so i have 872 cals left for today now.
>>75448743I had this, got absolutely atrocious coming from my fatass cousin>but you're already so skinny>you look sick, you're skin and bones!>it looks like you have a disease and are wasting away, it's hard to see you when you're like thisbitch I was 170lbs, that's the high end of normal I think a lot of it is that they have absolutely no reference for what a healthy you looks like
>>75448851losit app is really good for that. it'll show you how many calories you're over for the WEEK, so you can easily get it back to basline
>>75448855That doctor will see countless old women walk through the day and not be able to shift weight if it was a life or death situationThey know more than you and your moms recollection of what was said is going to be a steaming pile of shit. Doctors know about insulin resistances impact on being fat, they know about leptin, they know about food addiction, they know about the bodies broken baseline for fat people and how it tries unbelievably hard to course correct when fat people eat less.Bottom line is that doctor will see your mom and know that shes just another hopeless fat person with a broken hormonal profile. Maybe she does need wegovy. I think hes right
>>75448837Fuck up and back to business. I did it Monday, I just got upset and strangely punished myself by eating until I felt pain. Yesterday I ate within my normal budget. I set a sobriety app up for binge eating and im hoping that will help me stay in line
>>75447574see>>75444327
>>75448732>250 to 170good job, anon.I'm you're same height and went from 194 to 170, and it wasn't easy. trying to lose another 15-20 and then consider lean bulking
>>75448872>sobriety appqrd? like for alcoholics to record how many days they didn't drink?
>>75448869She's barely overweight. She got down to around 22BMI and wanted to stay there, now she's a bit over 25 or so. That doctor told a cancer patient no more eggs eat oatmeal. That amount didn't matter just WHAT she ate. Doctor even asked for a weeks food log. And I don't have the heart to tell her that doctor has zero nutritional education/it's decades old.
>>75448887Oatmeal is shit, but oat bran is healthy. Eggs are probably the most bioavailable and nutritious superfood you can consume so the dr is a fossil.
>>75448884Yeah, I'm using Sober. It has a lot of options for addictions, let's you plug in about how much money/time you're saving, has some resources for addictions. I consistently binge eat like fucking weekly to biweekly, my deficit cancels it out but it's preventing me from making real progress. This has to stop.>>75448882Thanks man, I've made dyel gains and picked up cardio, I want ottermode so fucking bad. Once in my life I WILL have abs.
another week another kilogram down.10 kilograms lost since i started this summer. feels like im gonna make it.
>>75448906If you mean what Merimutts call raisin bran, she used to eat that. Her health app told her it was garbage (it's American cereal so I inherently agree)
>>75448906>>75448928cereal is a trap. if you look up the history of cereal its a huge psyop to get the western world to believe loading up on carbs and sugar for breakfast is a good idea. you need protein and healthy fats for breakfast.
>>75444050hey, where'd the nuns and ducks go? they're, like, a thread staple. c'mon now, you really gonna change tradition?
>>75448906I'm talking about raw oat bran. It's good in smoothies, yogurt, etc.
>>75448940see>>75444327you’re so autistic about this it is insane
>>75448941oat is horse feed. are you a horse thats gonna go plow a field or carry someone for travels? no.our ancestors ate bacon and eggs after working the fields in the morning.
>>75448950... I'm the size of a horse
The weight is absolutely melting off with fasting.>But you aren’t learning le lifelong skills you’re gonna gain it backNo I won’t, crybaby.
>>75448950They ate bread and cheese.
>>75448944You're the autistic one changing things zoomie
>>75448958fasting is hard when you're autistic.
>>75448963I’m not the OP you dumbass. You have been melting down in every thread and we all see it.
>>75444625is that what happened? all the /fat/boys got thin and no zoombers or alphers want to lose weight, so they never know the truth of a good /fat/ loss general?!more me? I miss the /fast/ gens
New Low Wednesday>169.4lbs>down 35.6lbs>9.4lbs away from goalfeels good to be under 170 but jobs not done
>>75448967Sure you aren't zoomie. Better make some ai slop so you can ruin the next thread faggot.
It isn’t really a flex to be a /fat/ oldfag. I hope you all realize that.
>>75448969That's not true at all. Watch a peachfit video on YouTube and read the comments full of kids under 16 saying they lost so much weight because of his fitness content
>>75448987You are a pathetic schizo and now I really am going to make the next thread with AI
>>75448950muh ancestors (500 years ago) basically only survived on oats, bread, butter and cheese, they only time they could fill themselves on meat was during the Christmas celebration
>>75449006>>75448961if oats are so fucking good, eat them with just water retard. any food that needs a bunch of addons to be edible idiotic.>adds honey, syrups, yogurts, fruits to be able to swallow it down>ITS GOOD FOR ME BRO I LOVE LOADING UP ON CARBS FOR BREAKFAST AS I DO NOWHERE NEAR ANY MAJOR PHYSICIAL ACTIVITY
>>75448701>you're still the one consuming the most calories of all people in this weight loss threadI am also taller than most people ITT.And I'm also making more progress than most people ITT.And I know for the fact I'm having a much MUCH better time than every single retard ITT who feels the need to reply to my posts telling me I'm ngmi because I'm doing it "wrong" as their schizo brain can't cope with the fact they aren't seeing specifically plain chicken breast and broccoli among the things I'm listing.If you fags didn't get the hint yet, >the laws of thermodynamicsis the fucking point.Losing weight is NOT hard.You clueless retards who jump on the newest fad like housewives during the early 00s are the ones who is making it hard for yourselves. I have no idea why fatlards ITT (and I'm not talking about everyone, there's plenty of reasonable people here who are definitely going to make it) have enough hypocrisy to attempt presenting their incredibly recent and fleeting health consciousness as their personality.Miraculously, you all love plain chicken, rice, and broccoli; a can of soda causes you severe disgust, and, in fact, you are all paragons of health.The fuck are you doing here, then? How FUCKING curious.I don't know who are you trying to fool here.The only ones you are fooling are yourselves.And I was like you, dumb fucks, at some point. I could've never gained any weight if someone took their time to explain to me that CICO is literally THE ONLY thing that matters.I could've lost all my undesired fat ~three years ago, when I figured out the CICO part myself but didn't REALLY understand that it's a life-long commitment and not a temporary measure in any shape or form, so I thought "it's fine if I just put in effort, it hurts because I'm making progress!", and turns out 1500kcal/day was a retarded idea for my size and level of activity.And now I KNOW that it doesn't have to hurt. It's easy. I'm doing great.And I'll keep remind (You) that.
>>75448994Yeah because you weren't already going to. Fucking schizo zoomie.
>>75449011>if oats are so fucking goodnever said that, just pointed out that muh ancestors were poor farmers or thralls who were starving most of the year and could only get any kind of real meat during Christmas celebrations
>>75449011Some of us in /fat/ are gymcels as well. So complex carbs are necessary.
>>75449011I only eat oats before I run. I make overnight oats with just milk and plain greek yogurt then mix in a scoop of protein powder. Why are you so mad about oats?
>>75449032I thought eating before a run made you cramps?
>>75449032I enjoy my oats in greek yogurt with banana slices.
>>75449040I don't add any fruit. Are you illiterate?>>75449039Maybe if you run right away? I wait half an hour before I do. Never had anything but my usual fatty side stitches.
>>75449039>I thought eating before a run made you cramps?When i was a kid my parents told me that if i went swimming after eating i would get cramps unless i waited for 30 minutesLiterally believed this was a real thing until i was a grown man
>>75449006Your ancestors ate dinner leftovers as their first meal of the day
>>75449040Oh fuck I'm the illiterate one. My bad bro. Completely misread. I should not post after waking up lmao.
>>75449045>I don't add any fruit. Are you illiterate?He was just telling you how he likes his own oats you sassy walrus
>>75449045>>75449046I thought ths sude stitch was also because you>aren't breathing right>are digesting
>>75449054Lmao. No worries, sorry for calling you a dumbass.
>>75449057I think it's just because I'm still really out of shape. My lungs aren't used to working that hard. I was just rotting in bed every day for over 10 years.>>75449059Thanks bro. It's my bad really. I deserved it. Lol
>>75449032>>75449040Oats with either French vanilla creamer or brown sugar and cream are very very comforting foods for me
>>75449064Literally stretch, listen to running cadence to help you breathe, and do not eat or gulp anything down 1.5 hours before running. Look it up ffs
>>75449121>creamerwatch out for creamer, a lot of that shit is just flavored seed oil now, make sure you're buying the stuff that's actually made of milk and cream.
>>75449131Not eating made it worse and the stitches have been slowly getting less frequent and intense as I get better. I'm already working on my breathing technique.
Trying out vegetarian diet for 1 week now, with no bread or pasta either. Just been eating vegetables and fruit over and over. Sometimes I throw in an egg or a bit of butter.I literally feel dead. Zero energy. Forcing myself to exercise every day and still feel like shit. I feel like I need to sleep each day by the time it gets to afternoon. What the fuck bros, how do people live like this? Is this living at all? How the fuck am I meant to get any work done?
>>75448759I was lifting the whole time -_-. I'm just weak mentally and spiritually.
>>75449175Why would you do that to yourself?
>>754491751 week is probably placebo...I have been vegan for 14 months because of my gf and got lasting problems like IBS, psoriasis and some sort of nerve damage. Felt super miserable and weak already after 5-6 months but I kept going until I had to see a doctor because of my problems.He took my blood and saw several markers not being in check aswell as a few nutrients that were missing.Never again.
>>75449167Then you were dehydrated. Eating means that you're blood is going to your stomach to help you digest. When you're running, your blood goes immediately to your legs and your other muscles to help you run suddenly your stomach does not have the blood it needs, and you just end up cramping. That's why you have to wait. In absolutely no world does it make sense that you would cramp more because your stomach was empty and not in use.
>weight goalHow the fuck do you pick a random number to be your weight loss goal? I seriously don't get it. Like if you lost 20 pounds, good for you, but if I still think I look like shit I'll feel like shit. I started losing weight about 2 months ago to try to finally get rid of excess fat and have visible abs. I'm 5'10", was 184lbs., now down to 153lbs. from severe dieting and working out every day. My fiance gave me a limit to how much I can lose because I've been shedding pounds pretty fast. I'm not supposed to go under 150lbs. because it's "unhealthy," so that was my goal, but now that I'm basically there I can't imagine stopping. Sure I've slimmed down, have some ab definition, but my love handles are still ruining my physique and make me disgusted when I look in the mirror.How do I set a specific goal when I'm losing for aesthetics?
>>75449181Meat is expensive, I have no money and I wanted to see if I could live without.>>75449182Lol checks out. Ever noticed how all these vegans have health problems and they swear they need their vegan died to fix these problems. Sorry for your loss, Anon.
>>75449201>Ever noticed how all these vegans have health problems and they swear they need their vegan died to fix these problems.I really have no clue how they are doing it. I guess many are probably cheating and lying. Some are probably injecting Vitamin B12 monthly or something with the help of a doctor and swallowing tons of pills and what not.Vegans who say it 'just werks' are dangerous to gullible people who believe this shit.Also the bloating from all the fruit, grains and vegetables is actually insane, because I had to eat so much volume and food to meet my macros.I think I had to go to the toilet like 2-3 times a day and my stomach was constantly extended...
>>75449184The cramping isn't in my stomach though. It's in my ribs around where my diaphragm would be. I eat slow. Plus I only eat 35g of oats, one cup of milk, and one scoop of whey. When I don't eat before I have zero energy which fucks me up. Especially since I only have time to go early in the morning. I don't know how you can expect anyone to have zero pains of any kind when starting.
>>75449194I have a scale that measures my bodyfat percentage and lean body mass. It isn’t 100% accurate but damn it gives a great estimate and I can form goals from there.Unfortunately I’m still fat at 25% bodyfat. Aiming for 13%.
>>75449194Target your height in centimeters as your ideal weight in pounds.
>>75449215What brand is that scale?Also even if it is not accurate on its own, it should be kind of accurate relative to what it was measuring you at.
>>75449194Go by body fat percentage, get under 10% if you want to get rid of those final persistent fat deposits. Just know whenever you gain weight back they'll come back, can't really do much about how your body choose to allocate fat its genetic and unique to you and nothing you do will change that short of surgery. Staying that low for extended periods isn't healthy, probably best to just learn to live with it and stay around 20% body fat.
>>75449228NTA, but imo 20% is too high.I feel best and most fit at 13-16%. I usually bulk from 13% to 20% and then cut down again which is feasible to do.
>>75449194I made a BMI goal. Going to get toned from there. I have no reason to not go below a certain weight though I have a lot of people telling me they think it's a bad idea. I don't really care, I have nothing but time and gainer powder if I want to go back up.
>>75449214It's not about eating fast it's that you have food in your stomach. You're cramping because you aren't breathing right, you can be a noob and still able to breathe properly. Just do more research
>>75449194She wants you fat. There's nothing unhealthy about 145lbs at 5'10
>>75449223That would put me at BMI 30.1
>>75449225I’m using an Etekcity scale
>>75449332Thanks anon.
How do I transition to maintenance?
>>75447504I'm 326 and I can bike for an hour and 30 minutes, just keep at it and you can make it
>>75447504Do it every day, track your limits, see if you can beat them the next day.
>>75448721>>75448765>>75448778ye have little faith. i'm just incredibly active; the cardio numbers I gave are lowballing and excluding the approx 8000-12000 steps I do each day walking. I go to bed feeling absolutely starving and since starting just under 2 weeks ago I've lost 2cm off my waist (measured around navel) and ~1kg. for context I weigh 77kg. furthermore I agree the burned figure (which I did not manually set) is bs, but I'm 100% in a deficit based on how I feel and results.
>>75444396Good job fren
>>75446946throw out the goy slopget back to work
>>75449194>>75449194Shes probably scared youll get too hot and someone will steal you.It's either that or shes too annoying to communicate that she wants you lean but muscular (i.e. dont lose weight, lose fat gain muscle)but she probably just has a stupid idea on what weight means. If you told her you're going to lose 30 lbs at the start of your weight loss journey she would have envisioned 30 lb weight loss as you going skelly mode.
>>75449211>I really have no clue how they are doing it. I guess many are probably cheating and lying.This
>>75444050Well, that's it. I'm over my calories today. I'm staying with my parents for a bit while I sort out some housing issues and moving, I'm doing paperwork and my mom just brought me a chocolate heart with more candy in it. She handmade it, I can't say "No ill get fat again"
>>75449464Chocolate will keep, eat a tiny piece and go for a walk.
>>75449466She watched me eat it
>>75449466Sorry I'm just upset i ate breakfast this morning when I should know that A. She wants to feed me because momB. She wants to feed me because I'm too skinny now AND SHE WILL WATCH ME EAT IT to be sure I'm eatingC. It's the holiday season so she's GOING to be making high calorie treats
>>75449507bro you're not a 5 year old, tell her to fuck off in a polite way
realistically, anything that gets me moving and elevates my heartrate does count as some sort of low intensity cardio, right?i feel like an idiot but since its so cold outside and im so cold sensitive now due to losing a ton of weight... i just blast techno at home and dance kinda like in vidrel, the skinny lanklet faggot, about the same kind of "pace"https://www.youtube.com/live/RMLBjvvtXyk?si=X79osLBOhhJatu-e&t=2485it gets my hr up way higher than regular brisk walking (100+ vs 70-80 walking), doesnt tire me out fast and i love doing it. my watch is counting steps so that satisfies my needs. am i coping out of my mind? i still go outside to work etc but in the evenings and sometimes on the weekends, i just blast techno and "dance" to satisfy my step goals
>>75444050Anons, as of now I'm only 15 pounds away from my goal weight (I'm currently 155 pounds 5'6" and started 2 years ago at 310). Is it ok if until new years I take a break from eating at a deficit and just eat at maintenance? Just to clarify. I will still track what I eat to make sure I don't gain and I will also still exercise so I don't lose stamina/ continue to gain muscle (currently running 3 times a week and lifting twice) I personally think I can afford it.
>>75449639Why don't you just hit your goal first? You could ring in the new year at your goal weight.
>>75444059This was clearly made by a fat woman or faggot.
>>75449644I'm just so sick of cutting. It's so fucking slow now that I'm only 15 pounds away. Back when I first started I was losing 10 pounds easily a month but now if I lost 5 in a month it'd be a miralce
>>754496392 months to lose 15lbs is doable. Lock it in and knock it out.
how much calories would, say, 5 minutes of moderate intensity masturbation burn?
>>75449648You will never feel the joy of the plap
>>7544966725~50 give or take
>>75449537I am staying in her home anon, she's trying to be nice and doesn't care about a 400cal snack or understand why I do. If I explain my counting and limits that's all anorexic model gobblygook to her. If I don't eat it all right then it's insulting. I just need to stick to coffee and on special days u can have my beloved Croissammy.
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>>75449699CRINGE>>75449705KINOOOOOOOO
Can I use clen for 4 weeks non stop?
>>75449699mods taking sides cringe as fuck
>>75450006Agreed.
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