I'm tired of being a fat rooner.

>>75706821
Well, practice your fork put-downs. Or if you are gluttonous like me, eat only high nutrient foods to your heart's content but do 3 hours of zone 1 per day and brute force that weight loss.

>>75706821

If you're a fat rooner you either haven't run for long enough or you eat like crap. I've melted 5 lbs in like 3 weeks (and I'm a healthy weight) purely by barely running and eating clean. It's not that hard. Breakfast, eggs, milk, maybe a slice of good toast. Lunch, several cans of sardines in veggies. Dinner, pot raost (I have a steer in the freezer) with baked potatoes and more veggies. Heck, I can have home made bread and whole milk whenever I want and I still loose weight when I run for like 3 hours a week and hit the gym. You must be eating trash. Find some veggies man. Geez.

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when i'm doing sports hernia rehab exercises that I found on YT... are they supposed to hurt a little? Does that mean they're working?

>>75706975
Nta but I used to have a deficiency in my diet caused by excessive exercise because I would eat 5000+ calories every day and feel hungry all the time. I even switched to carnivore for a while, but still ended up eating 4+ pounds of meat a day easily and not getting lean.
Now things are fine and I am cutting fat easily but it's not necessarily that simple.

>>75706975
>lost only five pounds
>only running for three weeks
>not fat
>thinks his take matters

Wow feeling nothing a day after 10km, only the usual toe blisters.
Shall let them recover anyway, not even the toe anti-blister balm can stop them entirely

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pacing the gf to a 10km pb and first sub 60 this morning. she did good

>>75707621
Is she fat

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holy shit bros, is this really all I needed all of these years? It's almost incomprehensible what running has done for my mental health in just under 2 months

>>75707661
no but she has only been running a couple months

>>75707715
Yeah, running can do that. Just be sure to keep at it.

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After a 4-5 months break from running, I started running again 2 months ago. My best run was 14 miles @ 8 min/mile, and my longest run was 18.6 miles.
The recovery has not been as fast as I expected, the first month I was running only 5ks, and only now am I running 10ks with almost 8 min/mile. I hope I will be strong enough to become better than I was, and keep on improving.

>>75706211
That's good to hear. Running probably does the most for me, too. I was surprised though that I actually picked up hobbies I hated in the past. Never like cycling but after destroying my knee I had to pick it up. Now I am actually liking it.
Anyway, proper daily structure and sports are probably the best things to do during affective disorders.

>>75706778
I not rooning per day but I am training to complete the fandance ruck in wales

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_Dance_(exercise)

I'm booked for mid June, any advice for the training?

So sick and tired of winter weathers constantly changing on a whim. Why can't it be consistent cold? This constant thawing and re-freezing is just making everywhere ice up.

last day of base training today
we go thresholding next week
can't wait

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>>75706778
I bought a Polar H9 (Red line) HR monitor becacuse I wasn't sure how accurate my Huawei GT5 Pro watch (Green line) was and here's the HR charts from my first run with both.
I either put too much or too little water on the strap before starting, or maybe it just hadn't settled in the right spot until 10 mins in where it seems to start reflecting reality. After that, they're basically the same.

Should I just save $50 and return the H9 through Amazon?

I'm not a great runner but I'm training for my first marathon while working full time and just want to make sure I'm getting the most out of each session.

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>>75707621
Nice. I was aming for a 1hr 10k yesterday since 6min/km is my goal marathon time but I saw my average pace at 5:50 after 2k and spent the rest of the run working on getting it down to 5:30.
First time I've run a 10k with any kind of pace goal in the last couple of years. 5 mins from my old PB but still felt good

>>75708092
that up and down swing bullshit can also be the bluetooth connection fucking up. I get that sometimes between the gym equipment and the H10 I got, however I save the session on the actual H10 not via the app in my phone and when I download off the H10 and check the trend it is fine without the chop. maybe try that, if you give a fuck.

>>75708098
I'll give it a few more tries and keep comparing data. There's no storage on the H9 so if the connections fucked, the data's lost. Sensor's supposed to be pretty good though.
Best case is that I get some more runs where the data is functionally identical and I can send the montitor back and know my watch is pretty accurate.

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Took yesterday off

Today's run
10min 6kph
16min 7kph
4min 6kph

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>Been running 40-50+ miles a week since the summer
>Develop corn on foot
Anyone gotten one of these?
How do you get rid of it?
I’ve tried using a knife to slice it off when it’s not swollen (it has no nerves in it) but it’s too thick

>predicted high of 37F today
Toasty warm, can’t wait to roon

>>75708370
Dremel? Belt sander?

>>75706778
>killing your leg gains to roon in modern developed society

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>>75708412
I am sure you look great in skinny jeans.

I started by running 0.2 miles. My goal is 1 mile in 10 minutes. I don't see why I would want to run more than a mile. My last run was 0.56 miles in 7 minutes.

>>75708431
keep at it, plenty of reasons to run more than a mile

>>75708431
>I don't see why I would want to run more than a mile.
Longer run = conditions your body for running = body is able to run shorter distances (like the mile) faster

>>75708370
i did and i was wrong to disregard it for nearly two years during which symptoms worsened. the spot turned thicker and became too painful. i recommend you deny all silly oitments from dermatologist until prescribed cryosurgical treatment. one visit was probably enough but i insisted for another one because i prefered to overdo it just to make sure. you only disinfect with octenidine twice a day. it isnt even adviced to take a break but it took it easier than usual.

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3.02 miles in 28:16. Definitely a recovery run especially with the nicer climate. Quads sore from yesterday's sprint. Got the Chinese food cravings out of the way, back to the cut.

>>75708431
A mile a day is great, then you get to finishing it in less than 8 minutes. I actually plan on only doing one mile a day once I 'finish' cutting. Until then, I'm running 3 miles daily.

>>75708370
>>75708539
Appreciate the input, it would be nice to not have these damn things. Personally I've become mindful of where I strike each step and use my inner feet on recovery runs. I'm going slow anyways.

Started integrating interval roons into my schedule. Shit's better than I expected, overall my pace was about the same during my tempo roons.
How do I maximize gains if I wanna shave off a couple of seconds from my pace? Run faster or cut down on recovery time? I did a 1:1 ratio.

stuck on the treadmill so working on increasing cadence, trying to get from 165 spm to 175. how many roons until this feels more natural?

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mr consistent over here
8k every second day
and gym in between
simple as

>>75708833
Based. Impressive discipline. What do you do with your extra time? Family? Friends? Work? I'm going to do 3 hours of Zone 1 then a push day.

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On Thursday I ran three miles. ½ for warmup and cooldown. The middle 2 (8 laps) including going up and down the bleachers 2x/lap.

STILL IN MY PRIME

>>75708097
nice work

>>75706778
How often do you guys go through shoes? Replacing my first pair after about 15 months

>>75709238
>between 300 and 500 miles
Shit no wonder my feet hurt

>>75709238
Lots of factors affect it. I know bigger people tend to go through a daily trainer every 300miles, I switch out around 500 miles (140lbs). super shoes tend to breakdown faster. And just looking at the treads and wear pattern can signal the need for a new shoe.

Just did my 12 mile long roon outside. It snowed last night. It was sleeting most of the time. My feet were soaked by mile 3, there was zero traction unless I ran in the middle of the road which I could only do part of the time.
I think I understand what it was like for POWs to be marched through Poland in the winter of 1945

>>75709516
>wear pattern
To expand on this: the foam midsole loses cushioning over time as it gets compressed, eventually going "flat." You can observe this if you take a new shoe, squeeze the sole and watch the midsole foam crinkle and crease under compression, then spring back to beautiful smoothness. You'll know a shoe is flat when those wrinkles and creases are present all the time without any squeezing.

We get so many 'what should I wear' questions, thoughts on adding something like this to the OP?
https://dressmyrun.com/

It all seems pretty common sense to me but maybe it would save us from trying to guess what the asker actually means by "cold".

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If anyone is looking to try new music to listen to while running, well some of us on /g/ /dmp/ - Digital Music Production made a 90s trance album. Nice and steady 130-140 bpm, perfect for running to. Come give it a try, we're having a listening party right now
>>>/g/103868576

>>75709792
I use this almost every day.

>>75709792
you'd have to be a proper simpleton to need that website
fucking hell do some people never leave the house or something

what next? tiemylaces.com?

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>>75709792
Fucking zoomers.

>>75709929
Honestly that might be useful to some people. I tried a few lace methods on ians shoelace site to get my shoes fitting better.

>dyel general

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cardio is improving

I ran 5 min on a cardio bike yesterday.
Am I a ROONER now?

>>75710490
About as much as this guy >>75710457.

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>>75710367
Hopefully you learned the proper way to tie laces and not that bunny ear shit. Also always double knot when running.

My groin has been sore all day because yesterday I did some PT exercises I found on YT... but I just sneezed and it didn't cause the sharp stabbing pain it usually does, so maybe i'm doing something right

I took week off running because my ankle has been killing me for months. I finally got to 10 reps of 225 on squat today.

>>75709238
I couldn't give you a distance but roughly every 6 months. I probably don't need to change that often though.
I also have a couple of old pairs of carbon plated shoes that are nice to wear occasionally, even though they're pretty fucked up now.

If I find a pair I like, I generally wait for a sale and buy 2-3 more pairs since my feet aren't changing size any time soon.

>>75710767
I had no idea these options/solutions were a thing. I'll have to fuck around with some of these. Vaporflys are lose as fuck around the front of my foot.

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Finally back to 15+ mile runs. Feels good to feel bad.

>>75710781
I can't seem to progress on squats. Not enough recovery space in my quads from running high mileage

>>75710977
I think for normal people it is probably very difficult. I imagine you would probably need to be eating at an insane surplus to do that

ok I haven't ran since summer
It's about 24f out tomorrow which isn't terrible
Last digit determines number of km i roon in the morning

>>75711000
xd

>>75711000
Kek

>7.5mph on treadmill
>smooth sailing z2 forever
>8.0mph on treadmill
>hit z5 within 20 minutes
WHY??????

>>75711092
this is a running thread. Maybe you can make a treadmill thread separate from this one?

>>75711103
Don't disrespect the troonmill.

>>75710767
corr garn save diss

some decent ideas

me?

i do a weird version of the heel slip which i do different for the outside vs the inside of the shoe

propa revelation it was

Zone 1 > Zone Troon (2)
Feel like I could "run" 140 mile weeks at Z1, maybe like 100 if I did the standard 2 workout + long run model. While feeling healthier. It's just slow and boring.

Welp, time to head out for a rooonn. Been having to do shorter runs mostly due to a lot of my usual routes not being available and reserved for skier use. Which I should also try when it crisps up again.

>>75711092
Godspeed troonmill anon. Winter running in the snow kinda fucking sucks. Would be lovely to watch Simpsons re-runs or something while on the ''mill''.

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10 mins 6kph
17mins 7kph
3mins 6kph


I post my shitty jog every day so I can check what I'm up to tomorrow.

>>75710767
this looks very fancy but I bet there is little if any difference between most of them.
luckily enough for myself I've never had any lace problems.

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>>75712503
13 runs until goal 1, jogging the whole 30 minutes

43 runs until mini goal of 4k in 30 min

103 runs until I get my first major goal, 5k in 30 mins

I hate rooning in winter. I've got a choice between rooning on roads that range from slippery enough to give shitty friction to legbreakingly icy and trails where I can get good friction on snow and leaves but am in danger of tripping over roots hidden beneath the snow.

>>75707604

do you use running socks?

Saw someone faceplant on the ice this morning. They walked away holding their shoulder. I think they broke something kek. Why the FUCK would you run on slippery surfaces?

where tf do you guys live that the roads and sidewalked aren't immediately salted / sanded when there are icy conditions? thought that was a standard thing

>>75713096
They are, I just don't go running on a sidewalk between buildings and shit.

>>75713096
Out where I live the roads and some sidewalks are salted, but the plowed snow makes the road really narrow and covers the entire shoulder. And the smaller rural roads don’t get done that frequently or thoroughly. I don’t fuck around with roads under those conditions, plenty of nice trails out here.

feel like i got tricked into strength-centric training as a natty lifter.
I got really strong and became an imposing figure at 220lbs @ 6'2". laughed at my bmi being "overweight" because i trained hard in the gym ~4 times a week. strongest guy in the gym 99% of the time.
looking back i was fluffy and my face looked fat. my handsome features hidden. now i roon every day. i'm lean and i feel more vitality than i ever had. lost around 30lbs and my lifts are way down but i really don't care at all.
rooning is the truth.

>>75713181
Finally realizing that only gay loser men care about your lifts is extremely freeing. Looksmaxxing is the only thing that matters in the real world (not just women, men respect you more as an ottermode in your career as well.)

>>75708002
Check out David Walton's books, they are for mutt SF selection but should probably carry over fine

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3.02mi in 29:32. Tried jogging to the start rather than driving there. It tired me out but at least I still got it done in under 30 minutes.

>>75708833
>>75710473
>>75712503
Cheers for consistency.

bros
i suck at rooning
maintaining 5min/km for a few km makes me feel like someone is waterboarding me

>>75713483
Learn to enjoy waterboarding

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>>75713483
that's the plan for today C-5K has me running for 10min twice with a 3min break between, and 5min/km has been my pace for longer stretches so far. Let the waterboarding begin

any wireless earbud recommendations? I've resisted for as long as possible but this dongle bullshit is getting to me.

>>75713483
>>75713539
Racing a 5k is like being waterboarded. That's why we love running.

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I run for 30 minutes every other day. I cover around 5 to 6 km in that time on average. How do I cover more ground? I know I have to run faster but how do I do that consistently for 30 minutes? How do I up my pace? I can do it for like 30 seconds then want to go back to my normal pace.

Started wageslaving today and just did a run. It was horrible. NEET life did have lots of advantages

I want to get into marathon running so badly but I’m afraid of over-exerting my heart. I’ve dabbled in some cardio but not so much where I’m breathing heavily. Even then I feel my heart doing it’s stupid heart murmurs, and I’m barely breaking a sweat.

These heart murmurs/ heart palpitations mostly occur when I’m compressing my chest in tight positions. For example, sleeping on my side or slouching. I’m only 27 years old... High sodium intake diet, the results of drinking too much caffeine (1.5 litres of black coffee everyday for a year), or is it because I got the double dose of covid vaccine?

Too scared to do cardio, but I really want to start. I’m on the higher end of the healthy BMI but want to get slim again, except I’m nervous about my heart. I guess I’ll have to get it checked out at the doctors but the healthcare in my country sucks and they don’t care about your concerns, they chalk it up to you being a hypochondriac.

>>75713961
Easiest way is to start following a training plan, something that includes speed runs and long runs to make you practice different paces and up your weekly mileage.

>>75713961
Get familiar with how your body feels at different speeds. Warm quads? Slight burn in quads? Unbearable burn from waist down? Physically unable to continue?

>>75713972
>These heart murmurs/ heart palpitations
You need to get that shit checked out for real instead of asking randos on the internet. It could easily be shit diet+deconditioned but you need to rule out any structural or congenital cause and no one can check that over the internet.

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>>75713977
I'll look into this thanks.
>>75713983
At normal pace I just feel overall tired by the end of it. Faster pace I feel like I am gassed out and sometimes pains in calves. My quads are always fine. I feel if I pushed myself to keep running at a fast pace then I can only run for 5-10 minutes instead of 30.

it snowed last night. should i do my threshold run outside or on a troonmill?

>>75707010
its not
t. hashimotos haver.
i hold onto water like a mother fucker. It took me two months to lose 4 pounds

>>75708588
>Until then, I'm running 3 miles daily.
wont this fuck up your kness? i have max cushion shoes and i get knee pain on an every other day run

>>75714080
cushioning helps your knees?
cushioning only ever helped the bottom of my feet hurt less
and make my calves cramp up

>>75714116
yah the thicker sole. I was using minimalist shoes prior and i had to stop

>>75713576
done. didn't get the normal ecstatic feeling though, just felt relieved to finish. not sure why

>>75713999
Don’t worry anon I’ll get it checked out tomorrow, walk in clinic is closed for the night.
I’m anxious about the tests they’ll run, just hoping my anxiety won’t fuck up heart monitoring. I’m gonna faint if they’ll take blood from me.

>>75712738
I hate the winter because the cold air is brutal on my lungs

>>75713873
its funny because its true. I enjoy the pain

Lets hope for fatal heart arrhythmia / cardiac arrest at some point during this next run.

>>75714371
hey man do you wanna talk about some stuff

>>75706778
what do we know about caffeine and improving running performance?

>>75706778
zesty ah gait

>>75714396
it was on the PED list for a while. nuff said

>>75709238
i've been running on the same shoes for like 6 years
thousands of km's

Should I really buy new ones if it doesn't hurt? I hate having to pick and test send back uhgggg.

>want to lose weight to achieve better rooning times
>don't want to look like a skinny faggot

how do you guys manage

>>75709238
used to replace them every 600km
bought a saucony and put basically 800km on them

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1/8th mile indoor track. It’s not as bad as I thought it would be, but not sure if I could do a proper long run without going crazy. Got to move somewhere warmer.

>>75714987
What kind of times you talking about? I’ve seen sub 3 hour marathoners with good builds.

>>75714371
I hope for this too. I brought up to my therapist that I'm considering trying meds to help keep the thoughts of jumping off a bridge away and he said he'd try to find a rec for a good psychiatrist that takes my insurance. I'm not sure though, I'm nervous about side effects and I don't want to have to spend a year going through a bunch of shitty meds to try to find one that isn't shitty. I'm leaning towards not trying them. At least I had a nice pleasant roon today and the weather was good. As always thanks for reading my blog rooners.

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maybe you guys can help me
ill try to make this short
im recovering from what i think is exercise addiction
years
i used to run a lot but stopped being able to do that
switched to walking, stopped being able to do that
my feet are toast
its like theyre permanently not getting enough blood, and the littlest activity gets them hurting again
i know i got to be patient but
anyone know how long this shit takes to recover from?
im not going back to how i used to treat my body but im hoping i can get back to going to the gym regularly and going on long walks n runs and it feels very bleak rn

>>75714987
It's not really a problem for me as a manlet bonelet. I can have a good physique for running without looking like a cancer patient. But yeah like the other anon said, you can get to a respectable level by training smart, developing aerobic system and speed correctly.

>>75715127
Talk to a doctor you dumb nigger

>>75715339
already did goober
i figured that it was so blazingly obvious it wasnt worth mentioning

>>75714034
That all sounds perfectly normal. It does eventually become pleasant once your body adapts, but it takes time and practice.

>>75715344
Lemme guess, the doc didn’t give you the answer your addict mind wanted and you came here hoping we would “override” his advice?

>>75715688
tbf altho my docs know about my worst physical symptoms (fatigue, shriveled up nails, chronic pain) and had no advice to give me other than use moisturizer and "eat normal", i havent told them yet about the exercise addiction
but i follow my docs orders!!
and i didnt ask for advice i was asking for experiences
theres nothing you strangers you can tell me that i will follow, none of u r my doc and it will stay that way

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would it be better to try to get a running buddy at a running club or meetup or bumble bff? dont really do well socially in groups but also dont wanna get fucked in the ass.

>>75714069
konichwa for you too dude

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>>75713181
Great anon, you learned that bloatmaxxing is for fags. Now don't go and do the opposite like this >>75713312 fag. Lift AND run, be better than 99% of humanity.

>>75709792
>sun glasses
>identification
Don't need it. I wear a Merino base layer when it's around freezing temperature because my legs get really cold. Beans get too warm for me. That's why I use a headband to cover just my ears.

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Very easy morning run. It was absolutely freezing with -7°C but I was warmed up after the first km. Luckily there wasn't any snow or ice. Overall beautiful scenery, clear sky with a few purple clouds from the sunrise. I didn't have my phone with me so I couldn't take a picture :(

>>75713961
Run near your limit, and you will improve over time. Worked for me

>>75716535
That sounds very nice. I'm aboot to go on a roon with a mix of wet slush / ive on the ground so I just hope I don't slip.

Winter rooning could be comfy if the weather stayed even halfway consistent but it doesn't so it freezes thaws and freezes a lot. Last year we had a pretty consistently snowy / cold winter at least.

>>75714903
>I hate having to pick and test send back
pick fucking anything. they will be better than 6 year old bangers. I bet you will be cursing yourself for not replacing them years ago.

>>75714987
Get with the times lad. It's a hybrid world now. 80kg lads run 17 minute 5k for fun.

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lets fuckn get fit. 3x10 mins in the park with 2 min break. small hills

there's no cardio threads so i ask here:
i want to know about experiences with morning vs afternoon cardio. does morning runs actually energize you or do they tire you out?

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>>75715757
I run better with someone else, a friend. Because if I ran alone the first sign of tiredness then I stop. When running with my friend I don't stop, we agree to do 5 miles or whatever and we do it. I don't want to be the first person to throw in the towel, neither does he. I will admit though, some of the roons are getting tough and I think he is better than me and I might be the first person to fail a roon. Been thinking about running in secret behind his back on off days to try and catch up.

>>75716835
Running in general boosts my mood and makes me feel good, which I guess makes me feel like I have more energy. If I can get a run in in the morning when I get up I'm carrying that boost with me throughout the day.

>>75716835
A short non-fasted morning roon energizes me and I think I focus better for the rest of the morning. You have to get enough sleep the night before though.

>>75716956
dont cheat on your running boyfriend bro

Best non roon exercises on non roon days to support and strengthen my roon?

>>75717315
leeft

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10 mins @ 6kph
18 mins @ 7kph
2 mins @ 6kph

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Chilled out long run. Went about 100% better than last week's (gels had me nauseous by 3/4 of the way through and the last few kilometers were suffering), with no significant suffering or, weirdly enough, hunger pangs despite no gels. Only issue was turning off my brain and taking a wrong turning and having to double back for about 400 m, but it's fine. Guess I'm finally over the illness I caught over Christmas.

>>75717334
Keep going king
>>75717352
Nice roon

>>75717327
Bit whiich ones?

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>>75716809
I did similar
3x8 min with 90s recovery

I fucked it up and went too hard. A good session nonetheless but meant to be threshold. Live and learn, next one is 4x6 min I'll do that slower for sure.

>>75717532
Speedy anon

>>75717315
Lifting to strengthen your legs/core and balance out your body
Any cardio (swimming, biking, etc) to keep on those cardio gainz

>>75717650
Biking is a scary one. I am worried I will waste hundreds on a bad bike and not use it(when warm enough to do so)

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3.02mi in 26:29, finally got to use my Brooks. Solid shoes, put them through a lot this run. Urban running so there were many turns, stops, and other bullshit. A good way to break them in I guess.

>>75716535
I love cinematic roons.

>>75716835
Runs are taxing for me, so they're the last physically hard thing I do in a day. So that means after work and a workout. But I'm also 200lbs+.

Beginner rooner
3,28km in 25:33 @ 7:47 pace
178cm 95kg
I feel like a piece of shit who can barely run
>>75717352
Can I do this in 2 years if I lose another 20kg and run consistently?

>>75717737
Just an indoor bike at the gym or home is enough for cross training. I think it’s good to have an emergency backup option for shitty weather days anyway.

>>75717754
Maybe in two years, definitely in three or four. I'm 66 kg right now (I'm going to lose 2 kg and get down to race weight again soon, I swear) and the same height; I picked up running in mid 2021 from being quite unfit but not fat. Stop caring about pace, get the run more -> get fitter -> run even more flywheel going, and then watch as magic happens.

If I am 80 20, does that mean every fifth run should be a run at gotta go fast pace?

>>75707715
Same.
I'm 31 and keep questioning myself why haven't I ever tried running before?
My biggest fear is getting over it but I hope it doesn't happen.

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>>75717754
i was similiar height but maybe 102kg fat as shit
first 5km was 40min
after like 2 years of like 1-2 runs a week I managed to reach under 26min 5k, but was still like 96kg
gained some weight and switched to biking cus I can bike 1 hour at 150+ average hr for days after days, but rooning no way
i think you wouldnt reach him cus its a fucking 2.5 hour run, 1 hour that pace easy

Can't believe I fell for the zone 2 meme. Did 50+ km of these gayass roons for 4 weeks, and literally nothing changed except that I feel slightly more comfortable running slow none (useless)
I WILL be doing lots of intervals and zone 3 from now on

>>75717754
get your shit together
just figure out

>>75718004
>50+ km
do you think that's a lot for a month?

>>75718004
>50km in 4 WEEKS

dude thats like 12km a week lmao

>>75718042
yeah... i can even imagine what his zone 3 looks like

>>75714903
>I hate having to pick and test send back
why?
is it really that hard and time consuming?
i buy all the shoes from a brand i think i will like, plus multiple sizes, and send back everything except the one
takes an hour tops
sometimes i end up doing a second round if i fucked up the first

>>75716835
morning runs help me wake up if my circadian rhythm is whack by forcing me outside
i also do them when i want bfast from a cafe
evening runs help with my sleep if i have too much energy by night fall

>>75717737
then buy a cheap used one
if you dont end up using it, resell it for the same that you bought it
if u end up using it a lot, youll be upset at its quality and sell it to buy a better one

I can't even stay in zone 2, as soon as I start running no matter how slow my heart rate jumps to 150 lmfaaaaao

>>75717813
>>75717883
Alright I'll just keep at it
>>75718037
Yeah I know

>>75718004
>I feel slightly more comfortable running slow
so you are complaining about getting fitter? some people don't deserve to make it

>>75718106
I do my easy runs around 150. yeah probably zone 3 if you follow that nerd bullshit to a tee.
but does it feel easy? yes
can I recovery easily from it? yes
that's all that matters

>>75718004
>50km in a month

Try to hit 200km in a month then come back here

boughted meself a rooning watch
guess I'm too invested to ever stop rooning now oh noo

>>75718137
Based

>>75718137
I remember being a beginner

>>75718185
which one you bought?

>>75718417
I'm doing alright for a beginner considering this was my run earlier today >>75717532
If only I followed the hrm like a zombie I could be at the olympics

>>75718475
it's possible. many such cases, wasted talent, unnecessary injuries.

heartrate training is useful because most people aren't honest with themselves about what "easy" running feels like.

if you do your easy running above 150hbpm (at the very bottom end of zone 3) you'll still get like 95% of the same benefit and injury prevention

your body doesn't suddenly go 'SAR I AM IN ZONE 3 I WILL NOT BE REDEEMING ANY RUNNING GAINS!' at 151 hbpm. people take shit way too literally

>>75718640
Why is my body Indian?

>>75718670
ever since 2 billion indians came online over the past couple years literally everybody online is indian other than me (white, 6'1")

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Garmin-sama says I can break 17

>>75718701
Well anon? You’re not going to disappoint the Garmin-san that believes in you, right?

>>75718701
mirin hard
nice times bro

>>75718045
>>75718042
>>75718144
Per week
>>75718129
Can't see how. My race pace is unaffected, I just got used to the new stimulus

How much does height and weight matter for rooning? Am I at a severe disadvantage by being 5'2"?

>>75718891
Being overweight hurts you more than being short

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>>75718701
Coros says I could do 17:20. Fuck Coros I'm going sub 17 this year.

>>75718640
exactly
and what rarely gets talked about is people often have a different running style when they are going at really slow paces. it turns into a low cadence plod that hurts the legs more and increases chances injury. they would be much better off going faster on easy days even if it brings them to zone 3

>>75718891
>Am I at a severe disadvantage by being 5'2"?
You’re at a disadvantage for being female. Less muscle, less efficient angle of the hips.

manual labor wagies, do you run before or after work?

>>75718891
fuck off whore

>>75719041
>>75719130
i'm a turbomanlet

>>75718891
Whatever mechanical disadvantages you have by having short legs is made up for by the fact that your body is very energy-efficient (if you are not fat, of course). Most great long distance runners are <5'9''

>>75719142
My condolences. At least you can learn to run fast and put the turbo in turbomanlet.

Damn, I definitely do a better job all around if I lift first, then run. But all I want to do when I get off work is go straight to running.

>rooning benefits
>increased bone density
>by compressing bones
>short king in progress

YOU FAGGOTS DIDN'T TELL ME RUNNING MAKES YOU SHORTER

>>75708092
This will sound weird but lick the strap instead of using water. The electrolytes in saliva are better for conductivity.

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>>75714903
Yes running shoe innovation speed is crazy
I took ten years off from running and when I walked back into a store for new shoes it felt like I was looking at astronaut gear

I just reached 5km recently but I can't keep myself awake during the day. Any recommendations? It's starting to affect my performance at work.
>t. already drink 1 cup of coffee a day

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>>75718701
>5k @ 16:59
How do I achieve this? I'm currently on 26 minutes.

>>75720853
how do you think this anon ended up being 5'2?>>75719142

If you run so much so hard frequently, is the sight of a prominent tibia at the forefront of your leg a sign of incoming injury? Or is that a sign of development/strength?

>>75706778
>ran up a hill
>left calf started hurting
>it is not better the next day

just end me now

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Fitlit in the gym!!!

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My nose runs like a tap when I go out for a run. How do I dry it out? I have to run with a tissue in my hand constantly blowing shit out every 2 minutes otherwise I can't breath through the snot.

>>75722179
what about not having such gigantic nose? maybe kill yourself and come back with a normal size nose

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10min 6kph
19min 7kph
1min 6kph

Looking forward to my next run, pace will be under 9min/k!

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>>75722270
Shit I never thought about that, brb.

>>75721460
Git gud

>my former marathon pace is now my zone 2 pace
fellas... i'm thinkin we're all gonna make it

>>75722273
>2 miles
Don't hurt yourself, cupcake.

>>75722316
Did it work?

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3.02 miles in 26:33 with the Brooks. I'll save them for better weather, solid shoes.

>>75721412
I just blast caffeine. It's probably not healthy, but I take 200mg every 4 hours of work and 200mg for both the workout and run. As an ex-powershitter I used to take 400mg+ alone for lifting so this is relatively low for me.

Also 1 cup of coffee is nothing. Either rest more or blast more caffeine.

>>75722132
>>75722273
Running outside sucks, can't wait to lose the weight then I can coast with treadmill runs.

>>75722826
>Running outside sucks
ngmi

>>75722631
That's the idea

Slow and steady improvement.

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>>75714080
To answer your question, I've built up to it. I've tested myself for 4 miles a day and that was too much for me even at 190lbs. Started with daily one miles until I could do it consistently under 8 minutes. Then two miles, and now three.

>>75714116
>>75714185
Cushions make running as a heavy person viable. I will keep shilling Ultraboosts since they're pretty easy to get cheap and they're made to fit many people but I would look into other brands/fits once you're constantly running.

>>75722908
I still run outside though, and probably still will just as a reminder of what once was when I eventually make it. WAGMI bros.

>>75718472
Huawei GT5 Pro

How come running on a threadmill feels so much better? Is it the better impact absorption?

>>75723146
Based and slowandsteady-pilled.

>>75723474
That plus no wind resistance

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>doing hard threshold run
>see 2 cute girls looking at me
>"hey anon we want to run with you"
>they start running next to me
>they're too slow
>too autistic to slow down and talk with them
>gotta keep rooning fast

>>75723675
didnt happen

>>75723685
It did about 50 minutes ago.

>>75723675
God fucking damnit, anon. I'm an autist but even I know how to play this to get that poontang and not have to compromise your run:
>"Oh, sorry, girls, I'm doing a hard workout right now. Why don't you give me your numbers and we can chat later?"

>>75723675
You probably made them wet. Women LOVE when you give them very little attention, when they're already trying to flirt with you. Were they hot? If so, then I'm 100% confident in saying that, they're used to guys fawning over them, so when you don't give them the time of day, well, now you seem unattainable, above them, and every single straight woman in the world wants a man who's above them in some way. Next time you see them, that's when you make your move. Good luck.

>>75721460
1. Build up mileage to 50+ miles/week consistently through easy zone troon running (if you're talented perhaps less, if not talented perhaps more)
2. After settling into mileage, introduce hard runs, starting with 1x/week, then 2x/week, perhaps eventually 3x/week. This is where you get injured, so be chill with them, don't ego run.
3. Race/Time trial every few months to see how you are progressing.
4. Don't get injured. Do some coocling or other gay cross-training if you feel sick or you feel shitty/beat up all the time.
5. Patience, time required.

>>75721460
>16:59
>26:00
Damn, my best time is still 37:00. I've done some maths and the pace I need for 30:00 or less is me literally half-sprinting. I can't keep that up for more than 1 minute kek.

>>75723889
Just gotta keep rooning. My 5k was 39 min around November and I just got below 33 last week.

/fit/ + /roon/ anons, what's your program?

I'm barely an intermediate rooner, had to give up weightlifting 1yr+ ago then picked it back up 3 months ago. Here's my schedule since:
Every 3 days
Day 1: Weightlifting, full upper body, 2hrs in the gym
Day 2 & 3: 1hr of running @ Zone 4, around 160-170bpm for me, usually means 5-5:30min/km (8-9min/mile)

I wish I could go to the gym twice a day, so I can get in cardio every day and weightlifting and split it so I don't have to run a full upper body split, but unfortunately I don't have the time.

I feel like I'm stagnating in both because of this program, like both are pulling each other down. What do I do?

>>75723959
Pick what you like better, and prioritize it. Nobody can be everything.

>>75723959
you are running zone 4 in 8 min mile? get your shit together

>Roon 40+ miles a week
>make consistent deadlift and squat gains
>Bench goes down the more I run
What gives?

>>75723959
>weightlifting
like weightlifting weightlifting? You jerk your snatch?

Anyone here on SSRIs? Did they effect your rooning at all?

>>75723675
I was at the gym walking to the weight room yesterday to do some diddling and a cute girl waved at me. I didn't know her so just walked by without waving back, assuming there was someone behind me. I get past her, looked back and there was nobody there.
I must have gotten below the magical bf% to where you start existing to women. I had to delete my online dating a few months ago because I was getting no matches and it was making me depressed.

>>75724224
I mean, all that matters is time + distance, right? Plus, I thought 7.5mph is a pretty fast pace for a 1hr run. I've been running for about 9 months.

>>75724237
No, not olympic weightlifting, maxing bench / ohp / squat / deadlift.

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I FUCKING HATE THE INDOOR TRACK IT NEEDS TO STOP BEING FUCKING 41 DEGREES OUT.
Nobody can run in the correct direction, nor the correct lane

>>75724718
41 degrees is fucking cozy, I would love to run outside in that

>blood in the mucus when cleaning my nose after running
It's so fucking over.

>>75724718
>41 DEGREES OUT
I wish it was 41

>>75724733
>>75724745
I live in a desert. It starts at 41 and drops to like <30 in an hour.
I also hate running in layers

>>75724756
>needing layers for 41 degrees
shiggy

>>75724756
>I also hate running in layers
More than you hate running indoors?
Also still better than having the whole damn day sub 30.

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>>75724762
Yeah, it's a rock and a hard on.
I hate the feeling of being simultaneously hot and hot. Hearing up like the sun under like 5 layers, then being cold on exposed skin on my face.
The good thing is that the winter is almost over here.

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dubs I go running now. singles I wait

>>75724944
Have fun!

>>75724944
get outta here scamp

>>75708370
>>75724236
>>75723852

>50 miles week
>40+miles weekly
how do you spreadout your runs?

>>75723959
>1h @ zone 4at 8-9min/mile
>thinks hes intermediate

man... you must be insufferable IRL
fucking retard

I've been running very casually for the past year or so. Basically only ever socially and in good weather. However I'm now planning on running a half marathon in July which means adhering to a more regular training schedule.

I have just discovered that my shoes (Brooks Ghost 15) are absolutely useless in the wet. The slightest amount of moisture on the ground makes walking difficult and running impossible - I only ever run on pavements and roads, but it feels like I'm running on ice. It's a consistent problem because I've tested 3 different pairs.

I have a pair of Adidas ultraboost that I wear casually and their grip is a lot better (I can run in the rain no problems) even though the sole is almost completely worn through. Only problem is my feet and ankles are absolutely fucked after running in them. I did some reading and it seems like Adidas Continental soles and Puma Pumagrip soles solve my problem - specific recommendations are for the Adidas Boston 12s and Puma Velocity nitros. However I have a wide foot and I can't find wide sizing for either option in Australia.

Any thoughts on grippy shoes available in a wide fit, or ways to fix the grip on my Ghost 15s

>>75725061
20-30 miles a week on two long runs (10-15 miles each).
6-10 miles on two shorter runs, often tempo runs (3-5 miles each)
One 6-8 mile easy or recovery run.

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This was a proper trail run.
You slip on ice in the shade, you slip on mud in the sun, certain trail sections turned into obstacle courses due to fallen trees, no trail markings, hell, no trail whatsoever due to snow at certain points - basically everything that makes running fun. I had to run the last third in dark without any lamp and it was glorious, minus me running into a branch at face level.
Fun.

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>>75725101
You can't do anything about it so get a new pair.
It could be that the soles have simply worn out, which again means replacing them. Since you are running on roads, pretty much anything with a more aggressive thread would do the job. Puma and Adidas never really caught on like some other brands with runners so I would go with Asics, NB or something similar.

>>75724743
Running in cold can do that. Get a gaiter or something similar.

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>>75725245

It's not the tread though - it seems to be the actual rubber compound that's not grippy. My newest pair of Ghosts have intact tread, albeit slightly worn down. They're completely fine on dry surfaces.

My ultraboosts are 3 years old and a huge chunk of the outsole have been completely worn through to the midsole. Despite that, they still have more traction in the wet than the Ghosts.

Seems like I'll need to get a new shoe regardless of what the underlying problem is anyway

i think the sports hernia exercises I found on YT are working, not ready to run yet though...

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Week 6 of c-5k done, damn these runs are starting to feel really good. It's so satisfying to see the progress I've made over a few weeks. Thank you for the help and support so far gentlemen

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>>75724944
>>75724954
>>75724964
got it done. rain was pretty refreshing tbqh

>>75725743
nice roon dood

>>75725336
are they Ghost 15's? mine wore down real quick. feels like wearing clouds though.

>>75725817

Yep, those are my 3rd pair. All 3 have had zero traction on wet ground from day one, but have been great otherwise. Have you had similar problems or am I just absurdly unlucky?

>>75725101
ASICS goretex models are nice

how can I outrun my crippling depression?

>>75721777
Re-asking

>>75725575
Keep on running king, you'll be running a lot more than 5k in no time

>>75725895
dunno about the wet ground as it rarely rains where I live and when it does it is typically lightening storms so not ideal for running.

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Nice (longish) morning run, the best way to start the day.
Why don't you take the morning run pill?

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>Do a treadmill session, try out one of its speed roon videos
>Treadmill's max speed is 16km/h
>Girl on the workout vid starts going at 80% intensity, treadmill also auto sets itself to 14km
>Override it to 16km since 14 wasn't too intense
>"Ok, we'll remember your settings" pop-up etc
>Auto slows down to a recovery jog before the next high intensity roon
>This time it adjusts to 16 instead of 13
>Girl on the workout vid says "Ok let's slow it down in 3... 2... 1..."
>Treadmill maintains full speed
>mfw

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>>75724718
I've done roons in -5'C to 0'Cs and it's gonna be like that for another 2 more months, that's around 20F-30F I think for burgers. There aren't any running tracks where I live, fuck there aren't any normal outdoor tracks where I live either, only forest and shitty towns.

Workout then I'll be on my way to get my run in. Tomorrow I'm back to the gym for the first proper workout in a while, today is just arms/abs/grip.

>>75725336
Ultraboost fren. :) But yes, do get new shoes. I found that even if I can run fine in old pairs they exacerbate my foot corns which are slowly receding. The 'retired' shoes are taken out on light/recovery runs.

>>75726851
Real. I swear it's colder after the snow especially with the wind. Just think of the springtime, we're only weeks away. Current worst run was in 9F, so it's definitely manageable.

>>75713972
Almost all marathon training is at a pretty low heart rate. Most of the training is just running slow and getting used to being on your feet for 3-5 hours

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>>75726920
>Just think of the springtime
While I am thinking about that, how does running in the end of spring/summer work? Temps will average 12'C-35'C (53F-95'F) and it can have high humidity too. I only started running in Autumn when it got cold so I wear a tshirt and hoodie for now. I guess I won't need the hoodie in summer. I might need to buy some long sleeve shirts suitable for running and sunscreen so I don't burn.

>>75720881
I managed to get it pretty consistent with just shifting it slighty to one side and more water. But I'll test licking it because I constant;ly walk outside holding it and then realise it's still dry.
My watch has been with 1-2bpm the whole time though so I think Amazon can have it back.

>>75726627
Jeez, I wish I could run 16km at that pace.

is it okay to roon 3 times in one day ofc these hardly qualify as runs, as im essentially a beginner, coming off my bulk so it's a glorified walk just bored and feel like i could

>>75726977
I guess if they're all short and easy and you don't mind showering 3x in a day.

>>75721777
I am healthy and I can't imagine a leg without a prominent tibia, so I guess it's a good thing

>>75725101
Wet roads and pavements are slick, no way around it. You can adjust your form or you can run on the grassy shoulder, but you can't remove the slickness from wet concrete or asphalt.

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>>75726990
>don't mind showering 3x in a day.
hearty kek sir.

>>75726851
We're currently having march weather in january. Mildly cold and it goes back and forth between snowing freezing and thawing so can't really go skiing or running and even walking is kind of sussy. Did a 7km run regardless but I hate it so much when the weather is inconsistent

When does running "more" enter injury territory? I run 3 times a week and cover about 20 km. I'm gonna start running 4 times a week where I will run twice in 2 days instead of there being a 1 day rest inbetween. I think I can do this now but maybe later I'll want to run 5 times a week and while my runs have gone great and without issue. I don't want to end up injuring myself and having down time. So far I have been making progress slowly and increasing everything slowly but surely I will get to a point where I probably shouldn't risk going further, how do I know where that is?

>>75725101
I had Adidas ones with Continental rubber before. The grip was unreal to be fair. Noticeably better than any other shoe I've had. Never bought them just because I don't need that much grip

>>75727091
Depends on the person. Keep doing small increases, recover well, do your strength work and listen to your body.
You are only doing 20km now so you could safely double that if done over along period. 40km is a solid week of running but it's something anyone should be able to do injury free if they build up to it slowly and are recovering well and not overtraining

>>75726851
forest sounds comfy. wish I had some forest near me. although I do have many parks which allow me do pretty much all my runs on grass.
buy some cheap winter running clothes from Decathlon or somewhere. cold weather is not bad if you're dressed for it

>>75727154
>40km is a solid week
How do you do this then, 4x10km per week? I can run 6-7km right now, not at fast pace. I don't think I can run 10km yet. So if I build up to 40km a week then I need to increase the distance of my runs that way I am still running 3 or 4 times a week and not 5 or 6 to cover 40km.

>>75706778
>start with 15 minutes, increase mileage at most 10% per week
Retard with anemia here, does increasing mileage mean increasing the time of running?

>>75722179
Just blow your snot directly on the ground

>>75723474
Feels way worse for me. Like I'm overstriding and falling off the treadmill. Also gave me shin splints

>>75727228
Don't get overwhelmed thinking about distances you might be running in the future, just take your current distance and keep increasing it by 10% each week until you're running as much as you want. Instead of a bunch of identical runs people usually do a mix of easy, fast, and long runs like >>75725149

>>75727229
Increase the mileage means increasing the distance run, which is probably going to take you more time. If you run 1k one week, next week run 1.1k, then 1.21k, then 1.3k, etc. Do it at whatever time and pace you need to reach the goal distance.

>>75726851
Forest is cool when not muddy. Don't you have some walkways along a river or something like that? That's where I do my runs. No cars, bikes have their own lane. Would love a beach front nearby

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10 minutes @ 6kph
20 minutes @ 7kph

It's amazing how much "harder" running makes you
>muh dick
I mean my whole body. Jiggly bits get a lot less jiggly

>>75727257
>Increase the mileage means increasing the distance run, which is probably going to take you more time. If you run 1k one week, next week run 1.1k, then 1.21k, then 1.3k, etc. Do it at whatever time and pace you need to reach the goal distance.
makes sense, thanks.

/fit/ running threads are far better than reddit running pages.

Reddit is full of people overcomplicated beginner running. The guy cant do a 30 minute 5k, he doesn't need periodization, weekly long runs, sprint days etc.

Every month there are like 3 variations of c25k posted that all call c25k tainted by racism or sexism. At least once a month someone posts the anime c25k and calls it pedophilia.

They all push people to do 5k as their starting runs, mate this guys longest run in the last 5 years are when the airfyer dings and his pizza rolls are ready! Him running 250m would be a struggle.

Pushing people new to Running into buying $200 series and 500 dollars worth of gear is common.

Incredibly submediocre people who think their 25 minute 5k park run is a massive achievement getting their dicks sucked constantly. They are around 25 and started running when they were in middle school or something. And want people to pay them for programming


/fit/ has continued to get more knowledgeable every year as people are encouraged to argue about things we don't have moderators shut down threads and redirect to some Wiki that has been updated in a decade and it's filled with information that is completely wrong

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>>75725061
lol why is that word triggering anons. Maybe my zones are wrong but I run ~7 miles in 1hr with some discomfort, ran a half-marathon just shy of 2hrs and a 10k in 45m best time. I run 30+ miles per week and ~150 per month. Although I never attempted one, I could probably easily finish a marathon in 4hrs and a 5k in 20m if I were to guess. Not to mention all that with sub 1 year of training.
Most people ITT and on running subreddits and forums and such post two digit min/mi paces all the time, I'm using that as reference.
How is it not above average / intermediate? Get real.

>>75727442
>Every month there are like 3 variations of c25k posted that all call c25k tainted by racism or sexism.
lol wut. Do they think joggers and women can’t run 5k?

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3.02 miles in 25:41 in the winter beaters. No wind made the cold bearable.

>>75726939
Light clothing and eventually shirtless runs. Personally I go with cheap sunscreen for the body and better creams for the face on top of the daily moisturizing.

>>75726977
Why not just do one run that's three times as long?

>>75727442
Yep. Just run. There is no one-size-fits-all. Some people want to marathon, some people just want to keep to one mile. Shoe recs don't matter until you start putting on some actual mileage, just about any sporty sneaker will get you going for a start.

>>75727228
there is a thousand different ways you could run 40km in a week and none of them are wrong.
don't worry about it for now. just get the miles in with a mix of easy and faster runs.

>>75727442
Pretty sure asics took over the sub ~6 years ago. It used to be nothing but marathons, fartleks, race pr's, and gel reviews. Posting about c25k progress could catch a temp ban and new runners were generally ignored.

>>75727442
advancedrunning is ok and runningshoegeeks is helpful imo, but yeah /run/ is nicer than reddit

>>75723959
Decide whether you want to be a runner who also lifts or a weightlifter who also runs. I am the latter and my current 3-day split is lift upper body, lift lower body, roon, then repeat, then weekly rest day on Sunday. In the past I've tried splits that aimed to maximize both hard lifting and hard cardio but that eventually just held me back in both areas too.

I would not personally do two days of back-to-back hour long zone 4 cardio sessions. Your body probably needs a day to recover-- consider adjusting the intensity to maybe two hard running days per week, with the other days being easier zone 2 days. I would also consider adding leg lifts to your split as this would help both with upper body lifting and running. You could do some of the zone 2 cardio on the lifting days after the weights are done, e.g. 60-90 minutes of lifting followed by 30 minutes of easy jogging.

>>75728150
Thanks anon. I think my zones are wrong, I've had really uncomfortable runs in the past but I wouldn't say I do that every 2/3 days. Maybe it's more like upper zone 3. Or if this helps more, on a discomfort scale 1-10 where 10 is that feeling you get when you sprint and are out of oxygen, my runs start at around a 5/10 and end usually at an around 7/10.

As for lower body training, I have a torn ACL. Next month I'm getting a surgeon to look at it and hopefully I'm getting the surgery soon. I'll start training legs after that. How is running after leg day? Isn't it harder due to the soreness?

>>75728185
you should be using LTHR% for ur heartrate zones which puts the vast majority of people in zone 2 around 150hbpm and below

strongly recommend doing some base building at sub 150hbpm. it will feel very slow but it's worth it.

Consider that you can already run fast (in other words, you can run 3:30/min literally right now) you just can't hold the pace because ur endurance is bad. Building endurance will help you more.

ur basically just doing tempo/threshold days over and over, which is fine, it's just not going to build your endurance very fast.

I run after leg day without issue but it took me a while to build up to it (similarly come from a weightlifting background). sometimes i do leg day and then run immediately - it's like preexhausting your legs and emulates the back end of a longer run.

>>75728185
I haven't had any issues running the day after leg day, but I have been lifting legs for years and am only doing gentler runs. If I were to start adding in hard runs I would probably do them right after lifting legs on the same day, and if running the next day only doing a very gentle recovery pace.

>>75726649
I love it when normies use the treadmill to "sprint" when it only goes up to 12mph. Nigga, you're not even going 15min 5k pace. Go outside to sprint.

>>75727629
Reddit is absurdly elitist, but their elites are deeply mediocre.

>>75726977
>Beginner, already running triples
Gmi, just don't overdo it, replace one with coocle or roo if your feet start feeling sensitive.

>>75727827
runningshoegeeks is alright but then i see the pictures they take of their feet with incredibly disgusting looking legs and reddit socks and i say to myself "are these the people i want the opinion of?"

>buy shoe online
>its too tight
uuuGGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>75727442
>Every month there are like 3 variations of c25k posted that all call c25k tainted by racism or sexism
kek I need to see this

>>75728404
send it back for replacement you goof

>>75725245
>cold
It was like 5C so not that bad

>>75728298
> you just can't hold the pace because ur endurance is bad. Building endurance will help you more.
Yeah, that must explain why I start every run fast and end it slow. I guess this is a very normal complaint but I don't really like the slow runs, it feels very unathletic and boring. Would doing it on a fitness bike while watching something be the same? (I don't see why not in theory, but Idk).

>>75728547
rowing is cooler/more athletic movement than cycling. there are options that will carry over more to running like elliptical/incline walk/stairclimber.
But yes, just go easy and chill, not hard enough to mess up your hard runs.

>>75728547
it's all mindset. every run has a purpose, and the purpose is never to stroke your ego. if you really want to improve and not faff about indefinitely.

if you're bored running inside then go outside. running outside is unironically incredible in any kind of weather as long as you have the right gear.

>>75728547
>it feels very unathletic and boring
It won’t once you see how you rack up big fat mileage totals every week

>>75706778
>Wake up
>Check watch
>Recommended workout: threshold
Fuck it's gonna be one of those days

>>75728817
also your zone 2 pace will eventually improve so you're not plodding along like an old man and rather doing a somewhat uptempo jog

How hard is it to go from a 10:30 mile and a half to a 9:22?

I'm in ROTC and last semester I ran 10:30 but didn't follow the most consistent training plan, I did some long runs and hills throughout the semester and a fuckton of stairmaster the few weeks leading up to the test, but it wasn't really specific. I also wasn't that lean, maybe 16% bodyfat.

>>75728847
sounds like ur gonna have to run more chief

>>75728859
I guess what I'm asking is it something that can feasibly reached in 12 weeks of consistent training

>>75728874
Very big ask. Would say not, unless you hadn't been properly training before or pushing hard enough on race day.

is the whole building mileage thing a meme

am i really going to get hurt if i start running 20 miles a week off the bat if i'm not a fatass

>>75728892
Do it and report results :^)

>>75728847
Someone young who hasn’t trained purposefully before will definitely see good gainz but it’s hard to say exactly how much

>>75728874
may as well try chief. the 12 weeks is gonna pass either way. the solution is to run more.

>>75728892
there's probably around 85-95% chance you'll get injured

meant to do a session today but no motivation. finally dragged my ass out for an easy run after dinner. full curry in me belly bleugh.
legs feel good though. usually I don't run two days in a row but I think I'll do that session tomorrow anyway. 4x6 minutes

>>75728892
you probably won't crash your car if you go a little over the speed limit. but it increases the chances of a crash.

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2 days above 30° in the middle of a negative/single digit stretch. Gotta get the roons in. Mix of paved/unpaved/snow/packed snow terrain.

>tempo, long, rest
>tempo, long, rest
>tempo, long, rest

FUCK HIIT

>>75728892
it's a meme. in fact you should start with 50 miles

>>75728547
>it feels very unathletic and boring
Concentrate on form. High chin, high chest, high hands, stacked hips, high heels.
If you're still bored, you can try to hold an ab flex, stomach vacuum, or even hold your breath for time.

>>75727040
The alternative is to become stink, which should not be encouraged. I take long showers, so that would be an obstacle for me.

wonder how much better at rooning i would be if i had a rooners bmi

last time i checked mine was like 24

good rooning bmi is like 18 - 20

>>75728892
It's true, even if your general fitness is ok running is a completely different beast, you need to build up to significant mileage or you'll 95% get injured.

>>75729705
I used to wonder this but I reckon I would lose too much muscle in the cut
t. 17 minute 5k, 25 BMI

>>75729749
yeah i am assuming loss of muscle
impossible for me to go from 24 to 20 without that.

i saw pics of rooners on other rooning thread. their muscles relative to the size of their bodies are tiny

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>>75729749
FAT