God I love fasting

not sure if longer fasting is for me bros

Dry fasting is a meme, you need water to live

>>75718971
>>75718972
>Addicts coping

Sad

>Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. No lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.

So how do I start lifting? I don't really have money for a gym and my friends told me that until I get my form correct and have a spotter/safety net that I should avoid lifting. What are some safe ways to lift by yourself? I've just about hit my current goal of 250 and I want to be proactive on getting fit.

>>75719015
>my friends told me that until I get my form correct and have a spotter/safety net that I should avoid lifting
You do not need to be a powerlifter, anyone can start on the machines or with dumbbells after watching a few tutorials
Find someone reselling a dumbbell set for cheap online
But if you can afford that then basic gym memberships for $10 a month are also not uncommon unless you live in a tiny town, that's the equivalent of one fast food meal not purchased per month which probably used to be many times a week for most fats

I’m down 0.3kg from a week ago

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>>75719015
>goal of 250

>>75719056
Im 350, thats 100 lbs lost. Seems like a reasonable and realistic goal. I have no delusion that I'll ever be thin and attractive, but I can at least be normal levels of fat.

>>75719056
I've been trying to get fit for a while and I kept failing. What I used to think was that you would just work out till you where tired every day like in the movies and so I kept getting discouraged since I couldn't really do anything and specially not for long. Then I learned what reps and sets where and not only did it make a lot more sense to break up everything in to chunks, but to also do it for other things as well. Instead of just purely focusing on getting to the average healthy weight or more, I've broken it up in to chunks as well. I was 310, so I set the goal to 250, which once I complete that to continue too 200 and so forth with each goal trying to add new things or pushing myself a bit more. I also did this for other parts of my life such as with chores and hobbies/skills I want to learn or do. It's been working out for me so much better and actually making progress.

I watch sumo wrestlers eat on youtube

I feel like Jack in this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jdw2Gi9Now

>>75719084
God speed anon. Once you hit 250, you can focus on hitting 200, then 180, until you're at a healthy weight for your height.

Keep it up I believe in you

>>75719084
I'm coming from not that much smaller at 410, 242 right now
You will definitely not be content with stopping at this point, there's really no reason to just go all the way

>>75719084
>but I can at least be normal levels of fat.
the hell does this even mean? i used to weight 390 and i'm currently 248. you're still going to be fat. you might as well work towards a healthy weight for whatever it is at your height

i know this doesn't answer your question because i too am looking for an answer to it, but i'm trying to understand this mindset

Literally can't cut. My body seems to have two modes. Adequately fuelled, where all work outs feel amazing, recovery feels amazing, I regularly hit PR's, I never get sick and my mood is great or inadequately fuelled where I mooch around the gym missing sets, missing reps, failing to complete my workouts, where I don't sleep, I get sick, I get depressed etc. I'm trying to ride this line where I eat enough calories and I eat enough good nutritious food, but I'm somehow going to magically recomp, just nothing seems to work. I'm at a point where I'd rather give up all exercise and just sleep my way through weight loss. Just fast most of the time and forget trying to make the gym work for me. I'm 290lb @ 6'2" so I could probably do with losing 60-70lb as well.

>>75718946
was at the hospital today for my tummy tuck or whatever its called in english, made the appointment, insurance is gonna cover it im excited yet also giga scared cuz following that up im gonna have the breast lift too so im gonna be out of the gym for a while. it will be worth it though, i can feel it
they gave me the choice between a "normal" or "classic" tummy tuck and a T-cut where more of the skin on the upper abs will get removed too but there will be an extra scar on my stomach so idk.
i asked the surgeon (young, fit woman) if that skin above my stomach below my chest isnt just fat and water and she said "you barely have any fat on you at this point" with a concerning look kek. i feel so flabby, watery and disgusting and she telling me this makes me think im fucking myself mentally a bit too much.
will post progress pics at some point, will def have before/after pics after the surgeries too

first surgery will be in 1.5 months already which makes me nervous AF and my mind keeps racing
t. 170+kg fatty who weighs 81/82kg now
/blog

I think I’m gonna have to find another cardboard box to dump my accumulated junk food into and find a homeless person to give it to.

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>>75719139
>losing 60-70lb
>I'm 290lb

>>75719139
You're probably cutting way too aggressively

>>75719139
Post diet.

>>75719154
>>75719139
>290lbs
>Cutting too aggressively
Really? Kek
>290lbs
>Recomp
Woah we got the natural Ronnie Coleman over here

What's actually happening is the ROM on his bench press went from 2 inches to 4 inches so he can't do as much weight

>>75719139
>I'm 290lb @ 6'2"
>where I eat enough calories

I think you're good on that front, mate

>>75719184
When guys can't perform at the gym as he described it'd usually due to lack of carbs. I see a lot of fatties eating mostly just protien and incidentally getting carbs and fats, something like 70%p,15%c,15%f@1200kcals because they get this idea that protien good, carbs/fats bad and bigger deficit is always better. When really it should be something like 40%p,30%c,30%f@1800kcals if they actually want to perform.

>>75719184
>>75719202
We're all recovering fatties, we know will power differs or we never would've gotten here
If the steep cut is pressing your will limits then just go slower so you don't become a perpetual yo-yoer

10 minutes jump rope

I'm so hungry

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I had a good day at work so I rewarded myself with 2 slices of buttered toast and a glass of milk
How sad my life has become

>>75719256
Stop doing that

>>75719265
I'm still under maintenance by a few hundred calories, it's fine. I'm not a food addict, just someone who slowly got chubby over the course of like 5 years.

>>75719139
Figure out your TDEE, aim to eat at TDEE - 500 calories each day.
Take supplements. You'd be surprised how much missing a few vitamins or micronutrients can ruin your shit. Daily multivitamin, Fish oil/Omega-3 capsules, Vitamin D. To get started.
Get your macros sorted out. Eat enough proteins, split the rest between fat and carbs. Lean toward fat if it helps you stick to eating less, lean toward carbs if you need more energy throughout the day.
Make sure you sleep enough every night.
That's it. Just try that for a while.

1500 kcal in a single plate of pasta with meat + mayo and ketchup in lardbrain amounts.
Feels nice to do that for the first time in a very while.
I'll have 420 kcal worth of masala tea later today and that'll be it.

Doing great.

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>>75719287
>pasta
>mayo and ketchup

>>75718946
That body fat calculator from the Navy is total dogshit. Fat people have fatter necks and do better than semi fat bros that are athletic. I was in the Navy and was a heavy lifter, and good at running. I squatted probably 600 and benched over 400. Have a 17 inch neck and a 42 inch waist. Says I'm 34% BF. Had a true fatty get measure had the same waist but a much fatter neck. Lower BF%. It's total shit. Also hips aren't factored in. They need to add chest measurements. I had a 42 inch waist but a 52 inch chest. The fat dude had a 42 inch waist but a 36 inch chest. Get calipers or do it in water bros, that test is absolute nigger tier.

>>75719308
The only way to truly measure body fat is to do jumping jacks and see how much you jiggle

>>75719308
>42 inch waist. Says I'm 34% BF

Nigga that sounds accurate

ehm. fasting.

>>75719300
Yeah, you are completely right.
I usually eat the same exact dish without any of those but I had the idea since this morning to lather it in those kebab-style.
It wasn't "better" that way (and it was like 270 kcal extra) but it was different and I haven't had shit like that in probably a decade.

I'm at maintenance today but it feels like cheating. Still under calories for the week as yesterday was about 1000cal deficit because I just wasn't hungry and my dinner was fairly light.

Back to the gym on Friday, whether or not the thixie at work really is interested or not I'm getting cut as fuck by my birthday.

>>75719324
Genius

I'm so jealous of titless fat man

>>75719365
Better for fat to go to your tits than your belly, it's healthier

>>75719365
I'm actually kinda jealous of hairless fat men. I look like a gorilla.

>>75719387
based

Best friend sent me a fancy birthday invite for his 40th. He's having a big blowout party, we've already talked about it so it's no surprise but I probably can't go because of my weight.
Feels bad, I really wanted to, tried my best to lose enough but just didn't have enough time.
He's super cool about it and I told him as soon as I can travel I'm going to come visit but it would have been special to do it on his birthday. Wish I didn't let everyone down. Sometimes it feels like everyone in my life would be happier if I never existed.

>>75719409
how fucking fat are you that you cant go due to your weight? 400+ lbs?

are laxatives worth the trouble or should i just simply get my fiber goals for the day

>>75719409
Just go and don't eat, retard
Drink vodka instead of beer
I swear you simpletons

>>75719409
>I probably can't go because of my weight
Why, is it like a physical activity thing, are you so huge you can't fly at all?

I've missed out on friend group things because of my weight, couldn't go to a friend's wedding in Greece because I would not be able to be constantly walking everywhere (not to mention the price of a second seat for an international plane ticket). They also went on hiking and camping trips without ever telling me, don't blame them because it's obvious I would not be able to come. I'm just about fit enough to start joining in those things now, just keep going, you can always make it, it should fuel you not demoralize you

>>75719422
>>75719427
It's not that I don't want to it's that I literally can't. I'm 408 as of today. Started trying to lose last year was 515 at my highest. It's a lot of progress but I'm still almost as immobile, I can barely walk around my apartment building without feeling like a heart attack is coming on. He lives about 5 hours away, it would be unbearably uncomfortable making that trip and then standing around for hours with fancy strangers all night.
It's probably for the best, he hangs out with rich people and I look like a beast. I wouldn't mix well with that crowd.
I'm not giving up, still doing my best and I really want to go visit him but it's just not going to happen soon enough to make his party in march. Just feels bad because he sent me an invitation anyways just in case and now I'll have to turn it down.

>>75719442
Can you really not make a long drive or stand for a bit at 400 lbs? I thought that type of stuff didn't come until like 600 lbs. I started out at around there and could do that, it just wasn't comfortable and I'd get sweaty

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>lost 90 pounds over the last year or so
>sleep apnea all but gone
>feeling much better in general
>but have been stuck at 235 for months
shit man, walking and eating better aint cutting it anymore. i'd like to walk more but its freezing ass cold outside. been meaning to stop using my bench as a coat rack and get back to lifting so i guess its time to go pick up some heavy shit.

>>75719465
Just eat 1k calories a day, impossible not to lose weight on that.

>>75719465
You are no longer eating better, you are now eating at obesity maintenance

>>75719456
I have a lot of other physical injuries, can't even sit in a normal upright position for very long I spend almost all of my time in a recliner. I haven't even been in a car for longer than 30 minutes in over a decade.
I'm sure if I had a gun to my head I could do it but it would be so painful I just can't see it happening. I wouldn't want to make my friend feel bad if I had to bail early. It's going to be an all night thing with tons of physical activities. Most of it I would have to sit and watch anyways and sitting in normal chairs isn't something I can do right now.

>>75719442
Man fuck that
You can do it
You're making progress, fuck those people
Your friend wants you there that's what should matter
I think you will regret it if you don't
It's a challenge
Overcome it

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>>75719423
Eat those carb balance mission tortillas. 15g of fiber for each one at only 70kcals each, some anon pointed them out they're so much easier than any other way to get 30g of daily fiber. Just two of them 140 calories is enough for a day, and they don't taste anywhere near as bad as that psyllium husk shit.

>>75719471
I haven't told him no yet, I'm doing my best in these next two months. I just don't think another 30-40lbs is going to be enough but I'll try.

>>75719479
Brother I don't even have a friend that would invite me to their birthday
Appreciate what you got cuz it's more than fat

>>75719468
Kek obesity maintenance

>>75719476
There is two calories per G of fiber in that tortilla just fyi
https://youtu.be/2y7-VngHZ1E?feature=shared

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Taco Bell dickhead from >>75714157
This is tonights dinner (I also post in /pmg/ on /biz/ so that's what the silver is for)
Definitely going to just eat meat and veggies for dinner for the next few months.

Any other Obesity Class II but look like Obesity Class I Chads in here?

I'm down 50 lb and I'm on the home stretch, but I'm losing muscle as well so I'm trying to supplement my protein. The shakes are helping as is the additional Greek yogurt, but what about protein bars? Which ones don't taste like shit?

>>75719596
>so I'm trying to supplement my protein.
the rule of thumb is 1g per lb. of lean body mass, but realistically if you are at least .7g per lb that is sufficient. There is almost no benefit of eating more protein as far as muscle growth or even must maintenance. Increasing volume and intensity of your lifts might help you maintain or even grow muscle if you are still in the midst of a heavy cut (more than 800) or so calories per day deficit.

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>finally almost at normal looking body
>feet, thigh, chin all down
>except
>the giant belly
It's so tiring..

>>75719530
I wish I had good silverware, but I live with barbarians and they'd inevitably use those as improvised screwdrivers and can openers too, and I'm not ready for that kind of heartache.

>>75719622
The fuck, do you slam down like 40 beers a night or something?

>>75719143
hey congrats on losing the weight and double congrats on having the surgery covered by insurance. so what's the difference between the "classic" tummy tuck and the t-cut? does the classic tuck leave you with a weird shape in the upper abs?

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But bros... i like ice cream and is fucking summer here.

>>75719442
best of luck to you big guy. we're rooting for you.

>>75719707
Try different ice cream alternatives. I've heard there are some that get pretty close in taste.
If not just have a small scoop once or twice a week. It's not going to destroy your diet if you aren't eating an entire container in one sitting.

>>75719707
Halotop

>>75719643
I live by myself fortunately.

>>75719619
When you say lean body mass you mean the weight I'm shooting for? So if I'm shooting for 200 pounds I need 200 g of protein?

>>75719794
Retarded nigger read the sticky note one knows how tall you are or what bodyfat percentage you are

>>75719707
So does everyone else you fucking nigger shut your clam

>>75719830
Not really I don't care for sweet stuff much, the shit that was hard as hell for me to give up was chips

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>depressed for the past year
>now I'm morbidly obese and can't run without wheezing
it's over

>>75719810
Sorry

>>75719622
That is no moon

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>>75719707
https://www.reddit.com/r/Volumeeating/comments/x7d5vm/these_zero_calorie_popsicles_have_saved_my_life/
But im sure there are ones you can buy which are either zero calorie or low calorie

>>75719645
Used to but my gut fat is fighting for its life.

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Rate my 600 kcal dinner. I forgot to buy meat.

>>75719916
NGMI

>>75719530
Why is there a furry on that coin?

>>75719794
Body weight without fat. So if you want to be 180lb at 13% bodyfat 156.6lb lean body mass.
170lb at 10% bf = 153lb lbm
Take the lean body mass number then multiply by 0.72 and that should be your minimum target goal for protein.

>>75719916
Needs protein

>>75719947
There's a ball of low fat mozarella under that arugola. That's 30g of protein right there.

>>75719842
It's not over. Just fix it. Keep doing some cardio every day. Count those calories and macros.

>>75719916
>More Fries than salad
>Salad doused in dressing
>No protein source

What are we doing here? Replace the fries with a protein source. Measure your dressing. Keep the salad

>>75719984
Anon said he forgot to buy the meat, but in a pinch, beans are a perfectly acceptable source of protein, and would have been a good alternative to fries.

>>75719707
buy a ninja creami and you can make some really fucking good low-cal icecream from a ton of different sources, supposedly people really love using just protein powder and low-fat liquids which turn out great

My right foot goes ice cold for almost half the day on and off. How fucked am I? Is this the beginning of the bad betus? How much longer do I have before they have to chop it off?

>>75720017
go to the doctor you fucking moron.
cold extremities mean bad circulation, which might be the beetus, but not necessarily

>>75719530
what knife is that
never thought of getting anime ones

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>>75719900
I like these, they're super sweet and satisfying for 25 calories

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zanzibart… forgive me

>>75720126
Those things are evil, I don't know how it's even possible to pack so many calories into such a small amount of space. They are like satan's lembas bread.

>>75720126
at least eat ferrero rocher if you are gonna cheat

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>>75719530
I will never understand why some "people" boil or microwave their broccoli instead of roasting or sautéing it instead like god intended.

>Eating lots of veggies but sad because they taste bad
>My mom buys me some olive oil
>The veggies become extremely delicious
It's so caloric though...

>>75720249
You don't need to drown them in oil, try different veggies and roast them like the other poster said. Just some Mrs. Dash sprinkled over roasted veggies is good. If you want oil put some in a spray bottle and spray just a little mist of it over them.

>>75719476
THEY TASTE LIKE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>75720315
They're alright
Olé Xtreme Wellness ones mentioned earlier are much better but apparently not as widely distributed

>>75719476
i wish this was bigger

>>75719947
It's a werewolf.
>>75720042
Some Japanese knife from a set I got at a Homegoods store when I first bought my house.
>>75720211
It's steamed It's fine.

>>75720339
>It's steamed
Disgusting, do better.

>>75720315
Still better than a glass of psyllium husk powder. That shit makes me want to vomit.

Broccoli only taste good raw.

>>75720378
This, but carrots.

>>75719115
Not him but setting smaller goals can be useful as a motivation tool to keep going

>>75719036
Honestly, I recommend doing whatever you can to get a gym membership. Adjustable dumbbells are like $400 and they're the least expensive way to workout at home with weights.

About the safety stuff, don't worry too much about it for now, because for one, you're not nearly strong enough and I recommend mostly doing machine stuff at the start because squatting for example wouldn't be easy when you are this heavy.

>>75719115
>the hell does this even mean?
Obese class I instead of Obese class III

>>75720211
steaming = no calories

>>75720390
>spend $400 on adjustable dumbbells
as much as i want to do this, my track record with using home exercise equipment is dire.

>>75718567 #
>i quit drinking 6 years ago i just enjoy the company
Nahhh i know I'll be an active alcoholic the second I forget that it's constant work against my alcoholic (fatty) brain. I need to be reminded of what complete lack of control looks like, show others it's possible to make it, and help them where i can.
>if you eat grapes, grains or corn you're basically drinking, it's one step away from alcohol
More equivalent to say non-alcoholic beers, mocktails, sparkling grape juice. Unless you mean fastards

>>75720390
>Adjustable dumbbells are like $400
plate dumbbells are like 1/4 that

Is it ok to do jump rope every day

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>>75720510
Probably not good for your joints.

You can do LISS every day, walk 10k steps, ect. HIIT you want to do like 3 times a week with recovory periods between.

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>>75720495
Most olympic dumbbells are $50 and plates aren't exactly cheap. The best option is still going to the gym in my opinion, because having a bench for example is really nice.

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>>75720315
>>75720345
On that note, allow me to suggest Hero bakery products as an alternative.
Their stuff actually tastes like the real thing. My wife is diabetic and we've tried many shitty brands of keto breads over the years, ranging from eggy breads that have to be kept in the fridge to fraudulent breads that lied about being low carb, and all kinds of edible cardboard in between.
In contrast, those breads keep like bread, and have the taste and texture of bread. That's it. That's the selling point. Also, negligible blood sugar level response, a lot of soluble fiber, and they use olive oil.

>>75720583
That's also like 4x the price. Why does getting 30g of fiber a day have to be so hard?

>>75720595
you could just drink some psyllium husk.

>>75720595
It's more of a 2x if you match quantities, but yes, it certainly has a premium.

>>75720595
Ive stopped tracking my fiber since I make sure I get some more fat in my diet. First time cutting I avoided cheese and peanut butter, this time They are both in and pooping fine. A bit of melted cheese or some peanut butter on my granola and things move along much better. I also try and consume any of the edible fat on my meats. Especially corned beef or steak. Im not keto or anything weird like that, just eat everything.

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Just eat fucking beans guys it has a shit ton of fiber

>suffer from ibs or some shit
>eat something and immediately gives me crook stomach
>evacuate bowels
If I weight it can I subtract that from the calories of the meal I just ate? Surely I didn't absorb all of the calories right?

>>75720622
If you can do that more power to you. I can't, its like three heaping tablespoons to hit 30g and its clumpy and thick, and tastes terrible. The texure alone is awful, like drinking cold oatmeal, but the flavor is even worse.

I can eat two carb balance tortillas, thats something I can see myself doing everyday. It's not something I would indulge upon on my own, but its much better than subjecting myself to a glass of psyllium husk everyday.

>>75720655
if you're eating dinner, you're evacuating your breakfast, and probably yesterday's dinner and breakfast depending on how often you poop. Nothing flies through your digestive system in 5 minutes.

Its interesting how complicated ive made my diet as I went along. When I first started I had a bout 6 things in MFP each day, now the list is like 20-30 items.

>>75720661
Probably some of it, but it's clearly linked to what was just eaten, it's fast tracking it's way out of the system

>>75720583
>bread subscription

if you dont enjoy weightloss you are ngmi

>>75720661
I add corn to my meals from time to time simply to track my digestion time. Its usually a couple of days before I see it again

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>>75720678
I know bro crazy how anon post that like it's normal

I stopped my fast for two days, and number went right back up even though I didn't eat too much. Starting again today. Gonna try for 20 days this time, but make sure I keep my electrolytes up.

>>75720678
I could protest and tell you I've only ever bought this bread from a local store, but let's be honest, I have subscriptions for all kind of weird shit I could absolutely see myself starting a subscription for bread.

>>75720674
Eating can trigger bowel movements. Most of mine occur just after or during dinner.

fuck man, it's been two weeks and I've been of off non-diet soda, fast food, and sweets. and I'm down 2-3 kg.
wagmi

>>75719947
Thanks anonkun

>>75719465
You can eat better, but you still need to eat fewer calories. Either your goals are off or you’re not tracking correctly

I'm down to 83kg!

>>75720315
They’re so-so at worst.

>>75719476
These are the only way I can maintain a cut with a Mexican wife. Although I prefer the fajita size that are like 45 calories each

>>75720813
hell yeah! once you lose your sweet tooth it just doesn't come back.

>hate waking up at 6am to go to the gym, like it ruins my entire afternoon thinking about it
>gym is so busy after work that it takes an extra hour to get a workout done
i fucking hate this id just get a home gym if i wasnt in an apartment

>>75718971
If you break fast eat low calorie foods, such as soups or steaks.

my teeth are PROBABLY going to curse my out later in life but diet soda has been such a game changer

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>Start weight loss journey in October.
>Figuring things out but making good progress.
>Lose a lot of weight, have decent routine going.
>New year new me! Things are looking up for Milhouse!
>Everything instantly goes to shit.
>Trying to stay strong.
>It just keeps fucking happening and it's only 2 weeks in to the new year.
>Want to stress eat so fucking bad.
>Don't have any real outlets to vent or anyone to try and comfort me besides food.
>Things just keep getting worse.
>Urge to eat the pain away rising.

>>75720855
They are 100 calories. 15g of fiber equals 30 calories, it's the digestible fiber not the insoluble kind that's why it doesn't taste like shit.

i am going to jog tonight

>>75720915
Switch to tea and get antioxidants to boot.

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>modified wheat starch
>Wheat flour
>Wheat gluten
>Wheat gluten isolate

>2g net carbs

I can't believe people fall for jewish tricks like this

>Soluble fiber dissolves in water to form a thick gel-like substance in the stomach. It is broken down by bacteria in the large intestine and provides some calories. Insoluble fiber does not dissolve in water and passes through the gastrointestinal tract relatively intact and, therefore, is not a source of calories.

The reason it doesn't taste like sawdust shavings is because it's soluble fiber, therefore it contains roughly 2 calories per gram

>>75720999
Wtf did we get meme’d on

I need a fat butt on my face

>>75720999
Another quick tidbit about jewfoodlabels is the "protein" you see in foods like this and basically anything that isn't a fucking animal product is tested using the Kjeldahl method which is total bullshit and just measures nitrogen release as a proxy for protein content. You aren't actually getting protein from these foods. Don't count it towards your protein goals. DIAAS has a protein grading scale you can look at

>>75720915
drink with a straw

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>>75721022
Yes, those are somewhere between 100 and 130 calories each, basically the same as a regular tortilla

>>75721026
That plus even if it is actually high in protein they can still have tons of other garbage and sugars as well like with a lot of peanut butters.

>>75720622
There are more benefits to getting the 30g of daily fiber in than just pooping regularly. Helps with cholesterol, blood pressure, kidney and liver health, protects against cancer, helps keep your gut biome healthy, keeps you feeling fuller longer, curbs cravings.

fuck this diet shit i'm going to mcdonald's. anyone want anything?

>>75721071
Oreo mcflurry please and thank you

>>75720999
Okay so, it's still 17g of fiber for
17×2 = 34+70 = 104 calories, thats still really not that bad.

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>>75721065
>gut biome

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>>75721076
Or you could just get a regular tortilla that doesn't taste like ass

>>75721078
You'll care when you're older. Having a healthy gut biome means not shitting yourself or feeling bloated or gassy.

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>>75721092
I won't but thank you. I've never heard someone who isn't a fat woman talk about gut microbiome so I chose to ignore all that faggotry

>>75721084
>no fiber
What's the point? I'm not eating it because I want a tortilla, I'm eating it because I want a relatively low calorie way of getting 30g of fiber daily without having to choke down revolting glasses of psyllium husk powder.

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>>75721101
>relatively low calorie
Kek

You could try eating some vegetables anon, they are good for you I swear. Or keep doing what you are doing and logging 70 calories

>>75721104
I eat plenty of vegetables, its just you need 1500g of Brussels Sprouts or 1200g of Broccoli or 473g of artichokes to hit 30g of fiber daily. I'm not eating that fucking much and neither do you.

>>75721076
>just eating 1 tortilla
Yeah most of us who eat these are doing it because we have 2-3 per meal. That adds up over time

>a 5lbs cake and a gallon of soda? no problem!
>2 lbs of broccoli? what's wrong with you, nobody can eat that much

>>75721140
Assuming you only eat them for the fiber and it's your primary source of fiber you would have to eat 2 of them for 208kcals. That's a lot better than getting it from artichokes at 371kcals. Granted the artichokes get you more nutrients and will fill you up more, but the sheer amount you'd need to consume every day is daunting.

>>75720211
Same with Brussel sprouts

>>75721146
We're talking literally everyday, yeah I could eat 2lbs of broccoli for 420kcals if I forced myself but I'm not going to do that daily. Two tortillas at 208kcals? Easy, I can fit that in daily.

>decide do lose some body fat unbeknown to everybody else
>suddenly mom keeps offering me high carb meals and sweet buns

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>>75721071
20 piece chicken McNuggets, and don’t forget the Szechuan sauce, Morty

>>75721101
I drink metamucil, it tastes fine.
3 heaping spoonfuls in a glass of water before dinner. it also helps fill me up so I don't eat as much for my meal.

>>75721211
Women are gains goblins.
>complain to wife I feel like I’ve overate during Xmas and want to lose weight
>she starts making more meals with rice or potatoes

>>75721224
Rice and potatoes are perfectly fine while losing weight. Control your portion size.

>Fiber sperg still ranting about how he only eats tortillas for fiber

Sure brah, sure

>25 to 30 grams per day with about one-fourth — 6 to 8 grams per day — coming from soluble fiber.

Well guess you better eat 30 g soluble fiber then.
Stupid fuckin retard doesn't even know the difference or which one he is eating and is with un matched confidence giving out advice. Many such cases

>>75721140
>>75721239
Ignore him he's just some hamplanet idiot. Of course it adds up, since it's easier to justify eating multiple because you think they are way lower in calories than they are. Nutrition labels can be off by 20 percent, even 0 cal stuff has some calories. Add it up over a day and it could be a diffrence

>>75721247
>>75721239
Lol, you guys are still seething about this? Eat 1 or 2 a day and you won't need to eat 2lbs of broccoli or drink down 3 tablespoons of psyllium husk powder or whatever other retarded fiber source you've got (likely none).

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>>75721071
Can you go back in time and get me a mid 2000s 5 piece chicken selects meal? Before they went to shit and were discontinued.
Also I don't know how people are having fiber issues in 2000+25. This right here is my fiber problem solver.

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>>75721269
So two teaspoons in 8oz of water for 3g of fiber, you need to take 10 servings of this daily to get the recommended 30g of fiber, but it only recommends you take 3 servings a day so unless you ignore the label, you'd still need to add another 21g of fiber from some other sources. Metamucil is pretty much the same deal, its uses psyllium husk instead of wheat dextrin like Benefiber they just flavor it to mask how awful it usually tastes.

Still think those tortillas win as a fiber source. 30g of fiber a day is fucking absurd as a daily recommend value, I bet almost no one gets this shit regularly.

>>75721293
Well shit, guess I didn't realize how much 30g of fiber is. Ya that doesn't right. Why would you need that much fiber? Living off cold war MRE's and mountain dew?

>ketoschizo
>fiberschizo
>carbschizo
>fastingschizo

>schizoschizo

>>75720460
Try air frying, no calories if you don't add oil and they still get crispy as if you did.

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this is progress.

>>75721560
If you say so

>>75721560
>could only go one day without jerking his peanis

Morning /fat/. Anyone else getting their arm workout done trying to get the shit that stuck to the bottom of their protein shaker to mix properly?

>>75721560
Wanna explain the 11th?

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>>75721609
see
>>75707718

>>75718968
I swear if I weren't living with parents I would have abs already.

>>75720891
Are soups a good way to keep yourself full at low calories?

>>75720963
Try journaling

>>75721635
Parents are gains goblins. I don't know how my sister grew up skinny. Every time I go see my parents we have a huge Indian takeaway, then the rest of the night is beer, cider, brandy, packet of crisps, ice cream, yogurt, another packet of crisps...

>>75721636
Cabbage stew is great for that.

>ate nothing for almost 5 days
>relapsed on Monday
>ate reasonably
>ate again on Tuesday
>ate less reasonably but kept low cab
>stuffed face tonight, heavy on carbs because family ordered Chinese then I got a cheesesteak on my walk
It will take a miracle, like a two week fast, to put me back on track.
Luckily I consider myself somewhat of a miracle worker.

>>75721747
>stuffed face tonight
Are these heavy relapses common amongst fasters? I only do 3 day fast and never feel the urge to gorge on my off days. Never felt comfortable doing more than 3 days and this isn't helping.
Anyway you should be fine as long as you keep at it. Consistency is everything.

>hungry in the morning
>eat large breakfast
>dinner time
>not a lot of kcal left
>eat something small
>hungry in the morning

>>75721747
Lmao standard fastard behaviour

>>75721747
You need rules. Something like fasting 3 days and eating 1 day (below a threshold of course) etc. And then adjust if needed

>>75721259
>I was pretending to be retarded

>>75722009
>Still seething he was wrong.
Pretty sad dude.

i eat because im bored and im bored because i eat

Low carb diet is beating my ass, I've been awake for just 12 hours and already sleepy despite consuming 1,5k calories

>>75722112
carbs make me satisfied but really tired

>fucked up my poop cycle
>now I weigh more in the morning
Not enjoying this.

After losing 15kg my sex drive is getting normal again and my body is now producing sperm again. Crazy

>>75722164
I thought I was fat, but that never happened to me. What was your starting weight? How huge do you need to be for your libido to falter?

>>75722164
>body is now producing sperm again
That sou like more than just a weight problem...

>>75722176
Yeah, probably fat + shit diet + no exercise = my cum was all just clear and watery for years, now its all thick and milky again.

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Dont eat that shit

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>Day 2 of 0 food challenge
Yesterday I did eat a banana, and the day before that I ate a wafer. I guess I eased myself into this. At any rate, I need a workout I can do for a starvation regiment. Hmmmm... I'm thinking of just training the same thing I have been for a while now. I'm Dark Souls pull-up death challenge anon. Been getting a gut again, and I'm actually gonna try starvation dieting for once. I'm 6 ft ~205-210lbs right now. In other words, I train a lot of Army pull ups and lat pulldowns, as well as running. I've got 2x25lb dumbells and 2x7lb dumbells. One exercise I like is holding the dumbell with my feet as I do the pull up.

>how are my pullups
Pullups don't really help you lose weight, but they do allow you to handle your weight more effectively. I've been improving in form.

>how about running
I noticed that I was getting faster, but not really losing weight. I'm always hungry after running, so I gorge like a hungry wolf that just caught a caribou. Aside from that, there's a thread right now about jogging:
>>75722078
Basically, jogging puts stress on your joints. If you're fat/heavy, you're likelier to injure yourself jogging. Jogging on concrete and pushing yourself also causes injury. I stand on my feet all day at work now, so my legs are usually too exhausted to fucking run, which is kinda the main reason I'm fat. I'll still eat despite the fact that I haven't run in days, or even weeks. Recently, I've been on a routine to try and reclaim the high scores I set as a kid, so 5 min mile and 20 min 5k. Not too fast, but enough. There's another issue: running for speed and distance isn't the exact same as running for fat burn.

At any rate, do you have any workout recommendations for someone who's doing a 7 day starvation diet?

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>>75722255
>Dont eat that shit
I haven't eaten shit all day. The longer I go not eating shit the more fascinated I become with food. I often spend a lot of time on /cm/ torturing myself looking at all the food that gets posted there. Here's one of my favorite images from there.
>>75722277
>Day 2 of 0 food challenge
>Yesterday I did eat a banana
Bruh

>>75722285
>Smaug's Lair
This shit is funny as hell, anons post this on /tv/ all the time

>>75722173
Starting weight was 138kg

>>75722176
Probably because I had 0 T in my body because of obesity

>>75722277
I tried jogging for the first time in years went from 380 to 250 and decided to try jogging at this new weight and it felt amazing while I was doing it, but after... man, my legs, my feet, my knees, my hips, all of them were sore and hurt, then the next day they were even worse, like two days later they started feeling better, not doing that again until I'm at a healthy weight.

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>hungry
>eat something
>hungrier than before

>>75722300
running is hell on the joints if you're heavy. try cycling or swimming.

>>75722285
>100 calories
Doesn't make a difference. Starbucks Latte has more calories.

>>75722277
>Day 2 of 0 food challenge
>I ate a banana and a wafer over the last two days
Nigger please.

>>75721023
Gotta add a lot more specifics but if you mean
>female
>well shaped ass
>no ass-cne
>fresh out of the shower
>STI free squeaky clean
>white
>between 21-35 years old
>not mentally deranged
Then yeah man, me too.

I feel like I look like I've lost more weight than the scale says I have. Can't wait to take a massive shit.

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Am I doing good, /fat/?

>>75722318
>>75722285
>dude it's not real if you ate a tiny bit on each day
With my workout routine, the calories from a banana or a wafer are just barely enough to sustain my cognitive ability. A banana is 100 calories. I burned probably 5 of those bananas just going to work.

>>75721071
If you're already out and you don't mind could you get me a double order of cajun fries and an oreo mint milkshake? Make sure they hear the mint part and check the top for that green dye when they hand it to you, I'll tip you extra just to make sure it's the right shake. If it's too far out of you way uuuuuuuuhhhhhh can I get a chocolate chip cookie a 10 piece nugget and BBQ sauce?

>>75721071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6g0mPo-uJM

>>75721071
This is what my actual (non-breakfast) orders look like:
>20 piece mcNugget
>4 McChickens
>Crispy Chicken Deluxe Meal (Large) with Coke, which obviously includes L fries (previously known as M fries)
>Large coffee
>Large Caramel McFrappe

My stomach kinda hurts thinking about that shit though.

>>75721224
My sisters keep inviting me out and bringing home ice cream and asking me to bake specialty desserts, but I think it's also because they know I'm leaving soon and they genuinely like my cooking and baking and want to treat me in return. It's also pretty cold here, women get cold much easier despite physiologically carrying more fat, and meals have been heavier because of the cold.

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>>75722348
>Crispy Chicken Deluxe
My brother. Pretty much the only "burger" there worth eating.

>>75721596
For now.

>>75722277
>fasting

Retard

>>75722332
Are you saving people and catching criminals? No? Then you're doing WELL.

>>75722285
If i could just bring my own real maple syrup in... this would be cum.

>>75721599
>using protein shakes

>>75722332
Tap on the screen so it shows us every day's actual calories

>>75722348
>No beef
very good meal saar, pls continue doing the needful

>>75722348
>>75722362
This. Same goes for Chik-fil-A

I couldn't run Monday because I had shin splints because apparently while I run with perfect form and never had shin splints, I DONT walk properly. Because I still found the autism tippy toe walk when I'm comfortable and it's changed my natural gait. So I couldn't run Monday. Last night I was up until almost 1am after a nuclear fallout family shit many phone calls and crying so I couldn't wake up at 4:30 to run. I feel like shit now and idk if I can get a run in today but i feel desperate for it.

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>>75722382
Aye aye

>>75722385
I eat bacon though! And besides, I don't like McDonald's beef that much. They don't make a beef burger for me, like the Wendy's Jr. Bacon

>>75721158
I don’t eat them for fiber, I eat them as a replacement for higher calorie flour and corn tortillas.

>>75722306
My pool is like 39°F right now, swimming will have to wait.

>>75718946
hey fellow fatties, is there an online calculator that tells you how much calories a portion has when 100g has X amounts?

>>75722375
Kek

>>75722462
...any calculator can do that

>>75722462
That's what the nutrition apps are for.

>>75722462
Just use the calculator on your phone.

portion you’re eating / 100 x the calories in 100g

>counting calories

>>75722480
1982 kcal planned today after 420 kcal of milk tea.

>>75722480
Technically correct. You should be counting Calories (kcal)

>>75722480
we obey the laws of thermodynamics in this house

I lose 10kg/month without counting calories. Just git gud

>>75722506
chemo is cheating

>>75722277
>day 2 of 0 food
>yesterday I ate a banana
lol.

hey /fat/, wanna hear something sad?
last couple of years I got kinda fat while my family are all a reasonable weight. I probably gained a good 20-25 lbs. the family all got together for christmas and of course my grandpa wanted to take pictures of the cousins
we all get in front of the xmas tree and grandpa snaps a couple pictures. we crowd around him to take a look at the pics. the cousins get their eyefulls and leave the room, and I'm the last one to get a good look
my grandpa is getting older and his mind is starting to go a bit which means he's got way less of a filter. so he says, kind of to me and kind of to nobody at all
>anon looks overweight!

my dear old nearly-demented grandpa called me fat. what a fuckin wake up call
so I've been exercising daily and eating at a ~500 calorie deficit. scale said 189 today so I lost 2 lbs since the beginning of the year. that's within the margin of error for water wight but I'll take it. 170lbs is the goal
I ain't as fat as some of the fatties ITT but when old people start calling you fat you know it's time for a change

I went from 137kg to 122kg and literally no change in how I look

>>75722336
>wafer
lmao even.
>muh brain needs sugar!!! I need sugar!!!!!!
NGMI

>>75722555
das not possible.

>>75722555
If you take 15kg water out of a pool, it would literally look the same

Good progress but keep it up

>>75722555
This is why you should take body measurements. Tape measure can’t lie like a mirror

>>75722556
You do need sugar to survive, kek. A little bit is important for mental energy. If you understood brain chemistry, you'd know that you'd still want to drink your electrolytes if you want to progress on your gains during your fast. Otherwise, your body will crap out on you out in the wilderness jogging trail, as you collapse.

>>75722597
My pants keep falling thats the only measurement I have

>>75722541
Rip, but it's for the best.
>fat shaming doesn't work!!1!1
Only on the most retarded, the rest of us see it for the wakeup call it is. My sister works in a restaurant and ger supervisor had shared she had a slip and told a woman getting two large burgers and two orders of fries "Just for you? The bulk must be early." And she felt bad but she started seeing the woman in their gym and she's lost weight. Success. A wakeup call. But I'm sure plenty of others would've just gotten extremely upset and complained and kept eating.

>>75722566
anon that's over 10% of his body weight. he can not look the same.

>>75722601
bait

>why is sugar important
There's a point where your muscles are too exhausted to continue. Happens if you're like, a marathon runner or a distance hiker. This happens in any endurance sport. Eating a little bit of sugar, even if it's not many calories, can restore your muscles using your body's metabolism. Basically, if you're fasting, putting honey in your tea is what you should be doing.

>but anon, it's not real fasting if you also had a banana on one day and a wafer on another
I'm trying to do the healthiest thing here. For health, a hundred or two hundred calories a day can provide essential nutrients that I need to continue my workouts and job duties. Sorry, you do need sugar! If you can't eat it, then drink it.

>but no food no water diets
I don't need to drop weight categories so why would I do that right now?

>>75722619
Dude, if you're out on a distance hike, some of the best things to have are like sugar packets, honey packets, and peanut butter. Even a tiny bit can revive you after overexertion. Eating a little bit of sugar during a strenuous workout makes you recover. It literally regenerates HP.

>>75722555
>checked
That's because your BMI is still really high. Losing fat for real, like you, is hard. You gotta do all sorts of things. Stick to a workout regime, stop going to fast food, and try eating once a week only until you're skinny. Then when you are skinny, ensure you do your calorie burning exercise.

>>75722629
Then perhaps you shouldn't call your diet "0 food". It is more like "I eat a candy or banana whenever my brain screams >WHERE IS MUH SUGAR, I NEED MY HIT"

Your body converts your fat to glucose and you are intervening with this process. But sure, make excuses for your wafer.

>>75722612
>"Just for you? The bulk must be early."
SAVAGE
fat shaming absolutely works as long as you're not a touchy faggot. sometimes you just need someone to tell you the hard truth but you gotta accept it you know?
good on that girl, I hope she loses the weight

>>75722685
Yeah I know, you burn fat faster if you don't eat the candy or the wafer, but you'll also have less energy during your workouts, which means you burn less fat during workouts, and you build less muscle. As I said, I'm easing my way into 0 food. Realistically, it's day 2. I guess, my goal is 0 food, but my goal is also my workout goal. I wanna be able to still do 10 pull ups of good form by the end. During the fast, I'll be monitoring my maxes to see my progress/decline. I believe sugar helps me maintain physical power as well.

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>>75718946
its time to lock in
at least 20 kg in 6 months
PORCODDIO

>>75721462
i bought an air fryer and haven't taken it out of the box. it's been 4 months. may actually try it out now, thanks.

>>75722555
Try wearing a pair of trousers you'd written off because your legs got crushed by them. You might be shocked. You tend to lose weight from the arms and legs before your trunk. Also take shirtless pictures every week along with your weigh in. You're losing weight gradually and your mind isn't going to register all the small gradual changes without any frame of reference. This is the same with people getting fat, their brain doesn't register they're getting fat until someone else points it out.

>>75721609
woke up, took a shower, 12 hour goon session, ordered two pizzas, went to sleep.

>>75722755
I assumed you were a grill but two pizzas seems a bit too much. How manlet are you

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>>75722755
>12 hour goon session

>>75722748
People tell me they can see a change in my face

>>75722827
Exactly. There's a difference but someone who sees you maybe once a day, a week, a month is going to notice more drastic changes than you who probably looks at a mirror every day of your life.

>>75722827
Probably being nice

Losing weight is like having a pile of sand. And every day a man comes into your life and takes a single grain of sand from the pile. At first you might not notice it but give that man a year of taking grains and soon you may notice your life is much less sandy.

>>75722888
thanks, confucius

>>75722866
Nah they didnt know I was losing weight

>>75722612
>>75722541
>fat shaming works
i went out with a friend to get some food some years back. we sat down in the restaurant. i was just getting over a cold, so i just ordered a bowl of soup. the waitress said, "that's it?? are you sure i can't get you a double cheeseburger or something?" that was a wake up call (of course i lost a bunch of weight, felt good about myself, and gained most of it back, because this is the life of a fatty)

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>>75722827
ok so you're just fishing for validation here, or what's the deal?

>>75722888
>checked
It doesn't take years, if you have a good workout+diet, you can lose weight in a matter of weeks. If you can just mentally tolerate being hungry all the time, while still having the discipline to continue your gym routine.

>>75722901
I honestly dont see any change

>>75722900
Well it's more like the waitress knows that most people don't just order soup. She wasn't calling you fat. This is a normal NPC line when you order soup/salad as a full-grown man. She doesn't understand that you're sure.

>>75722907
well there's clearly a gap between what you see and what's going on because your pants are falling off and people tell you your face looks different. dumbass.

How do I stay focused and not get hungry for 6+ hours? I am trying to space my meals every 6 hours like 10 in the morning, 4 in the evening and then 10 at night... Is chewing gum a solution or does /fat/ disapprove?

>>75722900
If this occurred in America where tipping culture is a thing, there is no way she was fat shaming you. One offending a customer jeopardizes their tip and two getting you to order more food increases her tip. But it is good that you took that as a reason to change. I know in America it is part of the culture, but sitting down for lunch and eating a double cheeseburger is too large of a meal for anyone who doesn't do a physically demanding job where they are burning 3,500 calories plus a day.

>>75722909
>She wasn't calling you fat.
my entire life has been a lie. i'm not fat, i'm perfect just the way i am. thanks anon, i think i'll have a cheat day.

>>75722921
gum, coffee, tea...
also what helps me the most is waiting as late as I can for my first meal, usually around noon or 1pm

>>75722902
It's a flowery analogy bro.

>>75719154
>>75719184
>>75719167
>>75719202
>>75719212
I'm not so retarded that I think I should be 290lb. Also to maintain this weight with my current activity I need to eat close to 4,000kcal a day which is actually not enjoyable for me. The problem is if I drop down to instinctive eating I'll get roughly 2,000kcal and yes I prioritise protein and probably don't get enough carbs. Trying to exist like that is hell with my current activity so I'd rather just starve myself and stay inactive because it is actually easier to do that than deal with the gym being the absolute worst. Obviously the answer is to have a more gentle cut with more carbs, but yeah, that also kinda sucks because it takes forever and I'll be working my ass off to spin wheels for the next three years.

>>75722921
I do OMAD and do it at dinner. Basically I drink a lot of black coffee in the morning and early afternoon. I also eat a very big portion of salad at dinner. I do not feel hungry at all during the morning or throughout the day. It wasn't always like this but my appetite adjusted over time. I have found that going for a walk decrease my hunger. I suspect this light calorie burn, causes the body to elevate blood sugar from glycogen or fat stores until there is an insulin response which promotes satiety.

>>75722942
I'm just saying that it's 1,000% normal for a waitress to be like "huh, you sure?" when you just order soup/salad. In most places, it's an intro. A full meal is like soup, then salad, then entree+sides, then dessert

>>75722942
Bro, if everyone else is telling you, you are reading the situation the wrong way, it doesn't mean you definitely are, but you probably are.

>>75718946
Fatty Contest
ThirdTryDexa
78.4kg

Started at :79.8kg

>20k-30k steps a day
>feet hurt when wake up
>walk a lil bit
>feet don't hurt at all anymore, feel better
>knees are great and back is getting stronger and less stiff after walking everday

but why do my feet feel better after a little bit of walking? adrenaline or something?

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>>75723075
My peak week:
> min was17k steps
>max was 41k steps
>around 30km walked that day

the next week was nice, my feet was hurting so much but it felt so good... for this I bought a treadmil and I want to beat 50k steps while walking on it since last time I was walking just randomly around the city.

20k daily is pretty good and you will get better at them, so now the pain is the muscles repairing and gaining more endurance, enjoy the pain, eventually 20k steps will be easier

>>75723094
My highest this week was 28k and I average 21-22k a day.

It's nice if you have the time, I wanna get an incline treadmill to reduce the time needed to stay above a 3000cal tdee

Even once I reach my goal, I think keeping my tdee above 3000 is something I wanna keep doing until my body just csnt maintain is anymore.

Looking good and being able to eat almost anything I want within reason is the dream.

>>75722896
They probably figured it out by fewer of mars wrappings and pizza boxes in the trash

>>75723117
The one I got is magnetic so it has to be inclined to be able to use it, and also pretty cheap compared to the electric ones. Also pliable so it doesnt waste too much place when I am not using it. It needed to be lubricated pretty much the first time I used it, I'll see if I need to do it too many times but so far it's pretty good.

>>75719704
ye its just an extra scar, picrel
could make the difference between seeing my abs at low enough bf% and not seeing them

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>>75723177
im retarded

>>75723185
>large incisions in abdomen
fuck, this is terrifying to me. i think i'm just gonna live with my loose skin.

>>75723208
that's fair. Skin can naturally tighten over time too. Just make sure you get plenty of vitamin C and protein to make collagen. It can also help if you try some intermittent fasting so you have periods of autophagy so your body breaks down some of that unnecessary skin.

>>75723215
im this guy >>75723177
theres no coming back from being 170+kg, at least not for my stomach skin
>>75723208
you wouldnt if you were in my shoes it looks ROUGH, my belly popping out under shirts when i extend my arms or under properly fitting tshirts is the worst shit ever
when i told my mom about it she wasnt very happy either but idc, she cant know what its like

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>got a 35 pound kettlbell after being able to do like 6x10 reps with a 20 pound
>can barely do 10
>arms are sore the next day

>>75723264
>almost double the weight
>wtf this is heavier????

>>75723094
How do you commit so much time to walking???

>>75723243
>tfw NHS will pay for troons to kill themselves with hormones but if I ask for a tummy tuck they'll tell me to fuck off
I hate this country man.

>>75718946
Finally turned the corner on this fat loss shit since my birthday (late november). Rapidly approaching 200lbs and I feel pretty confident about my hitting my goal weight by July. What has worked for me:
>Caloric deficit
>Allocating 200 calories a day to fruit, very filling and nice snack to have
>Upped protein to 170+g a day; doing it by eating more cottage cheese, eggs, yogurt, lean cuts of steak, chicken, and unique applications of protein powder (some of these foods have a great protein to calorie ratio but some of it is just good for keeping me full).
>Weights 3-4x a week, cardio 4-6x a week. My favorite type of cardio is skipping rope but I know it's not great for the joints so I do that twice a week and then do incline treadmill walking for the rest.

>>75723361
They also don't pay for Mounjaro/WeGovy despite knowing full well how harmful obesity is and that it is the primary driver behind T2D.

>>75723177
>>75723185
Yeah i think the right might be the best call for me also, my big fear is them telling me i need my melted hip skin cut off too and my thighs and my arms. I don't want so much crippling pain and so many scars. I don't want the risk of lymph damage from a thighplasty.

>>75723370
>rapidly approaching
I'll call you cannonball

>>75723371
I mean they're planning to, Wes Streeting wants to withhold benefits from fat people who don't take Mounjarou. But the roll out is going to take like 5 years and I don't have time for that shit so I've just bought my own from some shady online supplier. It's funny because now we pay for troons' titty skittles because the places online you could easily buy cheap estrogen got shut down after an exposé by the Daily Mail.

>>75723386
Lol, I might steal that for the fatty contest

Any nerds in the house?

Is it possible to temporarily abuse the inefficiency of de novo lipogenesis for a carb refeed by eating only protein and carbs that use the DNL to store fat? If we remove stuff like dietary fat and carbs that use other mechanisms for fat conversions we could rev up the calories, maximize the gains and minimize fat gain for a period.

I could not find any studies where they have 1. caloric surplus 2. no fat 3. only glucose, starch and protein and lastly 4. dexascan or some modern shit to actually measure fat gain.

This shit could be the holy grail of anabolism

>>75723395
Zava provides a prescription for ~200€ a month if you order 10-15mg and take half a dose.

>>75723352
I am in recovery and medicines made me from skinny to obese, and now I am trying to lose weight and I can't beat the apettite from the medications but I can at least burn more calories to lose or at least maintain my weight. So my job now is to lose weight, and I try to put all my free time to cardio and walking is the best as far for me to burn as many calories as possible daily. Other time is me just waiting my brain to work again to be able to get a normal job, it's been 2 years already...and maybe 2 more to be normal again

>>75723442
There are some drugs that either minimize food absorption (acarbose, SGLT2i, orlistat) or increase metabolism (DNP). The former increase hunger to compensate and the latter is too dangerous for human consumption. Really the only thing that works are GLP1s.

Just eat fewer calories

>>75723482
That is exactly what GLP1s are making you do.

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>>75723482
ghrelin would have a word with you if you have the time

>>75722541
Fat shaming works for people with like 28 bmi
You get well into the 30s and beyond and there's some serious mental shit going on that a few comments are not going to scratch the surface of

>>75723512
Fat shaming never works because the mind can't win against 4 billion years of evolution, hence 3/4 of Americans are either overweight or obese.
>>75723503
Mounjaro would like to have a word with ghrelin.

>>75723454
I don't have issues with hunger or fat loss that I need to take drugs for.

I just want to know if +2000kcal carb refeeds to boost leptin through roof with minimal fat gain are possible from biochemical POV if they are set up like I explained.

>>75723543
The best way to find out would be to experiment on yourself because mechanistic reasoning fails to account the bazillions of compensatory mechanisms the body has.

>>75723521
We don't really fat shame in America. Only Asians do that.

>>75723512
>>75723521
The human brain always puts comfort and pleasure in the first place over anything else and once you are too deep and still not sick enough to lose weight to save your life...then you stay fat until you die from a random heart attack.

>>75723521
Also Mounjaro can be as good as it wants, but most fat people can lie to themselves that they can lose weight without any pills/vials or just the tought of being shamed for using medications to lose weight is enough for them to avoid them. And what happens after you stop using it? you stay slim or you need to take it for the rest of your life?

>>75723580
>And what happens after you stop using it? you stay slim or you need to take it for the rest of your life?
I don't see the issue with taking them forever? In a few years the patent expires and they get much more affordable. There are no magical solutions that you only have to do once and then work forever. Maybe CRISPR but that currently costs millions.

>>75723588
>injectables for life to stay slim...
doesn't sound good for most people now but who knows... maybe in the future that will be the norm to have a 'normal weight'

>>75723412
Tsunami might also work

>>75723615
It sounds good to me because I don't have the willpower left for dieting.

>>75723571
>We don't really fat shame in America.
we used to be a proper country

>>75723632
>for me
well that doesn't mean everything works the same for others.

For me? my pills who keep me alive are the ones who are fucking my hormones and I have a huge apettite after I take them. Taking another medicine that cancels the apettite maybe that could affect how my medicine is already working. So my solution to lose weight is either "explore" long time other medicines that cancels my hunger signals or...just walk daily, do cardio and even my craves win over my will, I eat like a pig salads or other vegetables. To manage both hunger signals and not too many calories. I have huge water retention but that goes off easy with a diuretic 1 or 2 times per week to not get addicted to them.