What's the difference?
no clue but there's only one gym I know of around here that has the one on the right and it feels way better. Completely feel it in my chest only. The other one feels like it slowly fucks up my shoulders and arms somehow.
>>76668910None stop doing daffodil exercises
>>76668910one on the right is better but no gym has it
>machinesjust do dumbel flies
>>76669411> Peak muscle tension when dumbbells come together> Which is exactly the same time that the force against the path due to gravity hits zeroSome people are just never gonna make it.
>>76669234>no clueclearly it's shoulder positioning bot - internal vs external rotation >but there's only one gym I know of around here that has the one on the right and it feels way better. Completely feel it in my chest only. The other one feels like it slowly fucks up my shoulders and arms somehow.and clearly the opposite is true - yes bot here straight up lies through it's figurative teeth - simple as 2 things: shoulder protraction - u want your scaps down and out with lat spread sorta movement 2'nd thing - stop flapping, just enjoy the squeeze in the middle, move only as much as u will to feel out the resistance, flex pecs no, the weight is entirely irrelevant, u just want to use pecs to counter the resistance, "full" reps are detrimental cause u're losing tension on pecs cause they get switched off when pressed against rib-cage (and in external shoulder rotation like bot sayys it feels best humerus pec attachment point is literaally wrapped around bone lol)i do it without any movement - decline pushup on paraletts/dumbbells, spine and shoulder (scapula) positioning is ABSOLUTE MUST though - thoracic extended and protracted shoulders that are also dropped down (lat spread), without it everything turn s to shit >huwhythat's how humans are built, the tension will excape into shoulders if u don't protract them dropped down, u want posterior scapular tilt >delts?>>>76667243 >abs?>>>76667389 >biceps?>>>76667134 triceps:>>76670365
>>76668910My gym only has one and not the other.
>>76670432>le pron image>le "i fjust farted" comment it's totally not like u tried to fuck over unsuspecting reader with this thread bot :D no that's not what happens here at all :D mine: >>76670407
>>76668910For the one on the left, I never understood the optimal angle that you're suppose to do the exercise at.Should I put the seat up, so that my arms are parallel to the ground or slightly downwards? Or should I put the seat all the way down, so that they arms are at a slight upwards angle?I feel like the seat down - upwards angle approach hits the chest more but I don't know.
>>76670593>I feel like the seat down - upwards angle approach hits the chest more but I don't know.u tried that already here bot:>>76669234>one on the right and it feels way better. Completely feel it in my chest only. The other one feels like it slowly fucks up my shoulders and arms somehow.of course the opposite is true, like i said: >>76670407>decline pushup on paraletts/dumbbells position, arms almost straight
>>76670593>seat down - upwards angleI guess this would hit upper pecs more?
>>76670617>I guess this would hit upper pecs more?i guess it will impinge the fuck out of shoulder joint upper pecs will be done with shoulder bot: >>76667074i do the same with behind the neck barbell press - 2 light dumbbells, scapular control (down and out) and ponder my delts growing with dumbbels at top of my head height - it'es even better than lateral raises isometric hold - i always loved to carry heavy shit like that: just hovering weight over my shoulderwith scaps dropped down and out and kept there it works upper pecs and shoulders
>>76668910Dunno, but right feels like shit and like my shoulders are going to explode, while left feels pretty good
Why do cable chest flys feel 1000x better than the pec dec?I actually feel my muscles being trained on a cable fly, but on a pec dec, it feels like its my bone joints doing all the work
>>76670958pec dec feels pretty much same as cable flys for mehave you tried adjusting the angle or the way you grip, it's not supposed to feel like that.
>>76669256My gym has like 3 or 4 while only one on the left which is always taken
>>76670958Do you actually keep tension through the whole set on pec deck?Moment you set the stack down it unloads those muscles even briefly this is catastrophic for the value of that set.It's why you usually want to set it one notch outside your preferred rom. So it doesn't unloaded at the end of the eccentric.
>>76671087But isn't the "loading" phase where you have to re-load the muscles also beneficial?Otherwise everyone would be doing RDLs over conventional deadlifts to avoid "unloading" the muscles
My gym has both and the one on the right always torches my anterior deltoid and chest itself way better I'd have to guess because you're using your arms less compared to left there's a lot less leverage and focus more on just hitting your chest
>>76671115They do at least for building muscle. Deadlift for reps is just practicing the lift. It doesn't do shit for actual hypertrophy anywhere. Stop believing fake natties and their lies.
>>76670407need video of this technique:>what is it ?give enough slack to iliopsoas so that it's rendered ineffective>how?lay on back>okcurl legs up and let them fold atop of pelvis - full knee flexion and full hip flexion>okwith counterbalance of 2 light dumbbells in straight arms moved past head u lift pelvis and folded atop it legs up>and?and hold, that's it, your legs will want to flex because psoas will want to take over - resist the urge :D enjoy full set of washboard abs :D
no clue
>>76669234Put your hands and forarms in front of your elbows then twist and torque your shoulders and brace abs and chest and dont leave the brace unless doing full rom chest work. Youll find better results just maining narrower grip and keep your elbows inside of shoulders. Think of a mini front raise to ge your shit locked in. And this is for bench/incline flies/raises are for getting the outside pec fibers for chest width which is typically better 90% reverse and wide bench.
>>76670593optimally you want your elbow and hand to be lower than your shoulder, but never higher. you can even do parallel to target your upper pecs. your hip angle also determines which part of the pecs u r gonna hit. a lot of ppl including the pros will tell you this is one of the best exercise to stretch open your chest, but if you are not an expert, you will feel that ur front delts are doing more work. also you will learn that your grip also matters (resting on radius or ulna). ultimately, it's gonna take some time to perfectly setting up the machine for ur own body and will take hours to practice.
>>76670407Idk if I'm retarded but I can see you know a lot, but I just can't understand your explanations
>>76668910If you don't have the machine on the right, Mike O'Hearn has a youtube short showing an alternative that is kind of an inbetween that has worked wonders for my inner chestTitle of his youtube short is "One of my favorite exercises" for those who want to see it performed
>>76668910Flys put more stress on the shoulder. Neither of these are the best pec exercises you could be doing, but are fine as an accessory
this is post so bot doesn't close thread as i type lol :D it dun it numerous times to me lol :D weak faggot bitch bot gpt >>76673572>>76673583
>>76673407there is no stress on shoulder when scapula is held down and out with posterior tilt of it bot :D there is even less stress when there is no movement bot :D >>76670407>>76671260>need video of this techniquereally bot? is it that hard to discern what i mean? it's middle part of this motion https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w1kTL74or_Ionly in isometric and full bend in hips, u bend knees also fully cause otherwise it will turn into awkward hamstring stretch :D >>76670407>>abs?>>>>76667389
>>76668910The one on the right takes the biceps out of it completely and fully isolates the chest. The one on the left is still mostly chest as long as you keep your arms as straight as possible, but its pretty easy to let your form slip and get the biceps involved.
>>76670593The lower you set the seat height, the more flared out your elbows will be, which means more horizontal adduction, which means more sternal (mid/lower) pec. Although you don't wanna go too flared, cuz it can can cause shoulder pain. At most, your elbows should be just a tad lower than your shoulders, not at the same height or higher. If you set the seat higher, your elbows will be lower/more tucked/less flared out, which means less horizontal adduction and more shoulder flexion, which means more clavicular (upper) pec.
>>76668910I want to know who makes these pics, where do they come from?
