Yep. We roll like that now.
Crossovers are smart, don't need a spotter. I forgot the lift existed since I'm a homechad.
>>76756545>need a spotterlol
>>76756531What did Nassim Taleb mean by this?
>>76756531They could have just did bench instead of OHP and cable crossovers and had the same result.
>>76756531Who is that on topSome random guy?
>>76757271That's Nassim Taleb.
>>76757273>Nassim TalebThat seems unlikely
>>76757278Your pic's Mark Rippetoe. OP is Nassim.
>>76756531it's the reverse psycholology *** strikes again episode>look it's that ***ish old fart that looks like homeless hobo >he is trying to take away our pecs, he is trying to tell us bench does not grow pecas yes bot, bench gives u negative pecs :D course shoulders will get fucked, but the real curse is stiff injured pecs cause with retracted shoulder while pushing sternal part of muscle snags on ribcage, it will try to contract but will be constantly interrupted by BONE poking it, malformed injured muscle that is stiff & shortened will pull shoulders forward and into internal roll and lock thoracic spine into permanent flexion - ergo negative pecs, doesn't matter how much armpit part of muscle will grow, u won't even see it cause it will be hidden in your caved in posture >>76756545>Crossovers are smart, don't need a spotter. I forgot the lift existed since I'm a homechad.nope, i mean yes it will work to a degree, but why fuck up shoulder and biceps with abuse when u can do it with completely soft front delt in pulling motion? >waaaah, really? u found way to do pecs in pulling motion ? yes i did bot :D >>76757573>rope attached at shoulder height, powerband tied to it, i have put my wrist through powerband and PULLED WITH PROTRACTED SHOULDER DOWN TO OPPOSITE THIGH STANDING SIDEWAYS TO ROPE ATTACHMENT POINTpicture benchless pecs of alex megos the cloomber D: all he does is pull all day everyday for decades u can have it in MINUTES per week
>>76757609if climbers so gud, why look so bad :O
>>76757609every time i read your posts, i wish putin would invade poland.
>>76757609>all he does is pull all day everydaySee this is how people can tell you don't know shit. Climbing is about pushing just as much as pulling. Some climbers actually push more than they pull by compressing their bodies, by pushing in opposite directions to keep their body in one position. Jakob Schubert is very good at this, and Magnus Midtbø favours this style. These guys can bench 90kgs without ever doing a bench press.You are so fucking full of goddamn shit, it's literally dangerous. You don't know the first thing about the functional morphology of the human musculoskeletal system, endocrinology or cell metabolism, yet you spout fucking garbage about all these topics like you hold all the hidden secrets. You're endangering the health of other people here who take you seriously. Stop posting.
>>76757609this u?hahahahha
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>>76757609>alex megos
>>76757609> but the real curse is stiff injured pecs cause with retracted shoulder while pushing sternal part of muscle snags on ribcage, it will try to contract but will be constantly interrupted by BONE poking it, malformed injured muscle that is stiff & shortened will pull shoulders forward and into internal roll and lock thoracic spine into permanent flexion This is completely untrue and is the kind of thing an internet-educated laymen with no formal education in anatomy would say.The pec major originates from your sternum and costal cartilages, contact with the rib cage is normal in any position. That's why we have muscle fascia and it's why muscle fibers are organised to pull across specific vectors towards their insertion points, not across sharp edges. The pec major pulls your arm across your body and toward your midline, it's not dragging perpendicular to your ribs even laying down with shoulders protracted. That just does not make anatomical sense at all. Where muscle does contact bone, the surfaces are smooth. You would fucking know if your muscle was snagging anywhere. If you don't experience discomfort when benching, or pathological issues afterwards, then there's nothing wrong with it.The pec major has two main actions - horizontal adduction (bringing your arm across your chest) and internal rotation of the humerus. Bench press loads both of these functions heavily. When you lower the bar, the pec lengthens under load (eccentric contraction). When you press up, it shortens forcefully against resistance (concentric contraction).Anyone claiming bench press doesn't grow pecs is either being contrarian for attention or fundamentally misunderstands exercise physiology.
>>76757609>retracted shoulder while pushing sternal part of muscle snags on ribcage, it will try to contract but will be constantly interrupted by BONE poking it,AKA benching with bad formPic related will bench your mother as his ancestors raped yours, bot :DPost body
>>76758457>Anyone claiming bench press doesn't grow pecs is either being contrarian for attention or fundamentally misunderstands exercise physiology.That guy only does lifts he invented or thinks he did, and talks shit on everything else with no regard to fact. That said, some people don't get great pec gains from benching due to form or front delt taking over.
>>76758432yes he is 60 kgs or sth bot, he has also very short torso and distended gut, i think he roids like most athletes at the very top here's mitbo: https://youtu.be/9jnWGEH2xZE?t=948that's where i got the idea of growing pecs with pull isometric hold :D >>76757609>>>76757573 >>rope attached at shoulder height, powerband tied to it, i have put my wrist through powerband and PULLED WITH PROTRACTED SHOULDER DOWN TO OPPOSITE THIGH STANDING SIDEWAYS TO ROPE ATTACHMENT POINT>>76758372>if climbers so gud, why look so bad :Omalnourished bot, good form for cloomber is eking out the last possible weight loss >>76758408>Climbing is about pushing just as much as pulling. Some climbers actually push more than they pull by compressing their bodies, by pushing in opposite directions to keep their body in one position. bwahahha, full damage control mode - i like it bot :D bullshit bot :D "pushing" straight down (completely unlike in benchpress - benchpress motion woulda push u straight out of the wall) is there but serves as mere supplementary to PULLING, climbing training is all about PULLING bot - show me one example of climbers training "pushing" xD fucking stoopid bitch bot gpt >Jakob Schubert is very good at this, and Magnus Midtbø favours this style. These guys can bench 90kgs without ever doing a bench press.no bot, mitbo couldn't bench 100 till he benched a little and got a little fatter and there is no way in hell shubert can bench 90 nor megos can bench 90, nope, not in climbing formand of course for healthy male with elite gemneticism 100 kilos is nothing :D it is even fucking beside the point cause it's all in shoulder protraction with relaxes delt, it's more of a hug than pull i would even venture to say
>>76758494even on this bloatard bot pecs are noticeably smaller in the middle than on the outside - this is not the case with my isometric hold :D >>76757609>>rope attached at shoulder height, powerband tied to it, i have put my wrist through powerband and PULLED WITH PROTRACTED SHOULDER DOWN TO OPPOSITE THIGH STANDING SIDEWAYS TO ROPE ATTACHMENT POINT>>76758457i got the idea from active miofacial release drills - i didn't read it anywhere and i take full credit for explaining bench squashed cardboard box pec look >but what about quasi-intellectual blabber i have mustered hooman? u can shove it up yer arse bot :D>The pec major originates from your sternum and costal cartilages, contact with the rib cage is normal in any position.except it fucking doesn't bot, in my isometric hold and in cluumbing pulling with protracted shoulder IT DOESN'T BOT :d > it's not dragging perpendicular to your ribs even laying down with shoulders protracted.u meant retracted bot, like in bench flies dips basically any conventional supposed movement for pec - yes it fucking snags cause there is rib-cage in the way between origin and insertion of pec, ribcage is round bot i told 50 000 times already bot - jay cutler doesn't bench: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vc1d9UNqzdYthat is not bench, shoulders are protracted, that's what i'm prescribing, only i am adding soft delt and not pushing at all but pulling/hugging >and internal rotation of the humerusyeah bot, thumb down, i just look and feel my pec with other hand looking at it flexing :D >Bench press loads both of these functions heavily.WRONG, pecs cant work properly with retracted shoulders and humerus even further behind - u need all of these forward :D
>>76757271That's one of the aforementioned Aleppo Zoomers.
>>76758519>there is no way in hell shubert can bench 90 nor megos can bench 90, nope, not in climbing formhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJy-_DRHFOk&t=978sWhat now faggot?
>>76756531Chest and tricep isolation is almost always more productive then compounds except in respect to time involved. Crossovers are odd because it's almost more compound since it let's the chest adduct the arms more but it's nothing special. Probably one of the few good ways to hit the clavivular head if it's not coming up right with incline work because that angle is usually more precarious for the shoulder and the front delt will rob it if you go too high.Should probably still do the compounds for "proofing" if you care about strength at all but if numbers are going up all the time you already know it's working about the best it can.
>>76758607>>there is no way in hell shubert can bench 90 nor megos can bench 90, nope, not in climbing form>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJy-_DRHFOk&t=978s [Remove]>What now faggot?thx for proving my point bot i guess> megos that is out of season therefore out of top cloombing shape> doesn't bench 80 - doesn't touch chest > and doesn't bench 100 predictably this exact moment my sodomite bitch bot gpt friendo :D https://youtu.be/qJy-_DRHFOk?t=991>>76758629it's retarded injurious and ineffective nonsense, front delt dies and pec is not even touched bot besides - i am vehemently opposed to the idea of repping altogether cause time under tension on muscle belly is resetted multiple times during each rep and is therefore very short - fraction of a second if my cloombing inspired thingy doesn't do upper pec - have not explored all the angles yer, tried it only once lol >>76757609>>>76757573 >>rope attached at shoulder height, powerband tied to it, i have put my wrist through powerband and PULLED WITH PROTRACTED SHOULDER DOWN TO OPPOSITE THIGH STANDING SIDEWAYS TO ROPE ATTACHMENT POINTthen it will be done with delt isometric hold that i do also - turns out delt is workable ONLY WITH LAT SPREAD, so 2 light dumbbels held as if i was to do behind neck press, dumbbels slightly overhead which puts humerus into slight angle to transverse plane shoulder joint is open scaps are in posterior tilt with lat spread >and then what nothing that's it :D just load the muscle belly with continuous tension for dozens of seconds, 2 or 3 dozens of seconds, that's it, 2 or 3 sets of doing seemingly nothing and muscle is worked and incentivised to grow without any drama if u take notice front delt and clavicular head of pectoralis major have very similar placement and function, the only missing element was lat spread and here is biceps thread bot u are suspiciously quit in >>76758299
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>>76758929>and here is biceps thread bot u are suspiciously quiet in>>>76758299 lol yes u did bot, u read it real time as i write :Dbut u obviously want moar, there u go:abs and calves :>>76758272>>76758275
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>>76758896>it's retarded injurious and ineffective nonsense, front delt dies and pec is not even touched botWrong if I could lift 250 lbs with my front delt and serratus they'd be insanely huge. Pec isolation is absolutely possible and frankly easy if you just adduct the arms. That's all they fucking do. It's why they attach to the humerus. Go lift for once.
>>76758955:D mine: >>76758946>>76758896>>76758569>>76758519and the first post with megos picture
>>76758967>Wrong if I could lift 250 lbs with my front delt and serratus they'd be insanely huge.and? is it feasible to abuse the shoulder joint and biceps long head tendon like so? no it's not :D > Pec isolation is absolutely possible and frankly easy if you just adduct the arms.delt dies before pec clavicular head - fuck off bot meine: >>76758970
>>76758983It is absolutely fine if you're doing the requisite balance of work in terms of pull to pushing+pressing and have some kind of external rotation work to keep the back two ligaments strong. Why most lifters get shoulders issues is because they neglect pulling work to pursue chest when you should always have more of it. Or don't sequence work right like ppl. That's two shoulder dependent days in a row and 4 of those a week it's shit. You need external rotation work to keep those back ligaments stronger this keeps the head of humerus in the shoulder socket. If it's in there solid impingement can't really occur under its normal leverages.
>>76758569>isometric hold
>>76756531>aleppo zoomersis that like aleppo peppers?
>>76758431>british dentistry
>>76756531I don't see why crossovers wouldn't help with that. However they're young so they're also on gear, and also because they don't do any actual heavy weights they're all practically weak as fuck.
>>76759002> just work around shit movements how about NO BOT :d >>76758896>>76758569>>76758519>>76757609
>>76762434You've never touched a weight in your life. And the only reason you never post body is because you're a dyel faggot who constantly attention-whores but is too paranoid about getting any "real" attention a.k.a. being seen for the pathetic thing you are. Hitler should've gassed the poles when he was done with the kikes.
