what do I inject to never have the hiccups again bros

Can I bulk with tren

>>77503384
Depends on how you react to tren. Some guys lose their appetite and some guys get really hungry.

Doing a cycle soon anyone here tried yk-11?

Old thread died.
>>77503310
Yes you can these are called källargym (basement gyms) and are a popular hub for people who take gear.

Sadly the cops know this and have been known to camp them every once in a while... It all depends on where you live, some cities and towns are better than others as the "swedish jealousy" varies between them.
But even then regular ass (zoomalian) postal workers are now allowed to open & inspect packages as they see fit and report them.

So every step of the way could potentially fuck your normie life..
Ooh, and if you were to get caught, there are now several websites that automatically buy the sentence from tribunals and publish them for employers (or anyone who knows ur name n adress) to see.
So once you've gotten caught you're labelled a criminal for life, and it will be brought up at your next job interview.

>>77503376
Wish I could man but where would I go?

>>77503419
>So once you've gotten caught you're labelled a criminal for life, and it will be brought up at your next job interview.
Being a criminal is based

>>77503419

>>77503811

Its all a slippery slope, first i take Nigerian boner pills and now I am knee deep in organic chemistry concepts

>>77503540
I like pussy getting fucked by japanese east asian men

>>77504094
i like (non-black) pussy getting fucked by me

What’s fraud take on all the new peptides? Seems like not a bad deal? Kinda like cigs vs vapes. Peptides have less recorded side effects than anabolic steroids but no long term data. Not as good at muscle building but won’t fuck up your shit eh? What we thinkin fellas

>>77504258
Only peptide I use are glps for weight loss

>>77504258
>no long term data
This shit gonna give you cancer

>>77504258
SARMS =/= Peptides =/= Anabolics

>>77504258
I'd wait longer. In a decade's time we'll have abetter idea of whether they're actually safe and effective.

>>77504258
I was interested in Gonadorelin which is like an alternative to HCG but the half life is so short its useless

>>77504320
GnRH agonists are not new peptides, there are definitely ones with a greater half-life
They aren't a good replacement for hCG though
>>77504258
What new peptides other than GLP-1s?
>>77504301
>>77504307
Xhis

Bodybuilding forums are so fucking dogshit it’s just newfags talm bout what compounds they want to add after their first cycle and having 5 other newfags call them stupid and rehash what they heard 1 guy in another post say without sources to back up their claims and they argue for 3 pages before eachother stops responding with no conclusion.
I am adding EQ to my stack but I am not sold on a dosage yet due to the “AI” properties it exhibits. I aromatize low since I am on a low/mid dose (350mg) of test, but some retards saying “If you’re nipples are sensitive you’re E2 is high and can dose EQ 1:2 to your test dose without needing AI!” Fuck you I am just going to start low EQ around 150mg.

>can't sleep
>feel like shit
>suspicious of others
>on edge
>can barely think straight
>constant brain fog
>compulsively jacking off and watching porn
>ruin my relationships with the people I love
>constantly greasy
>lose the hair on my head
>get a bunch of new hair on by back and shoulders
>get acne and scarring all over my torso
>have outbursts at work
>resting hr >100 BPM
>lose my breath if I have a long conversation
>intermittent cheat pain
>GERD
>lose my appetite
>constantly need to pee due to enlarged prostate
>sweating constantly
>looking fucking awesome

so worth it brothers

>>77504607
I already can’t sleep
I already jack off all the time
I already have a RHR of 105
why shouldn’t I hop on

>>77504607
kek literally opened the thread to make a similar post but you nailed it, i just wish my arms weren't constantly in various stages of pain

>>77504598
EQ is dogshit.
It's a weaker testosterone with more side effects, highly unpredictable AI effects, causes both anxiety and hematopoesis through a hypoxia stress mechanism and metabolizes to horse estrogen invisible to standard LCMS testing.
Thats the most detailed explanation you're gonna get on bodybuilding forums as to why EQ is dogshit these days

>>77503337
>reddit
Go back.

>>77504650
I choose to not listen to you.

>>77504697
And I'll continue to shit on EQ on every bodybuilding site known to man. There won't be a single corner of the web you can crawl to to circlejerk about how EQ isn't low-rent garbage

>>77504719
ok I just started 200mg/wk i’ll let you know how it goes!

https://xcancel.com/GoogleDeepMind/status/2097325048109384166
>Google DeepMind announced AlphaGenome Atlas, a 1-petabyte map of predicted molecular effects for all 9 billion possible single-letter DNA changes in the human genome.
Fucking hell lads I need to move to China and get some new AI developed giga PEDs personalized for my DNA. This shit is definitely going to be abused hard by the 2028 Olympics and will probably trickle down from there, I genuinely believe this.

>>77504657
do you have autism

>>77504607
>>77504615
Wtf are u guys taking? I'm on 300 test (50/50 enth/cyp mix) living life.
No sides what so ever, steady gains cuz I'm not a greedy faggot

>>77505101
It's nattycels trying to act holier than thou. Yes there is downsides to steroids, but people only like to point out the dudes who die at 35 from taking 3g of compounds a week for 2 years straight and not managing their health.

>>77505101
>>77505124
troonposts

>>77505124
At the end of the say you're severely limited by muscle hyperplasia, aka the creation of new sketetal muscle fibers as opposed to the expansion of existing ones (hypertrophy). Androgens can only do so much and you Will hit diminishing returns after a certain dosage.

People would be much better off slicing their gear dosage and adding gh + slin, it would definitely be healthier for some lmao.

>>77505124
It's not even plural, it's one guy who jerks off to getting replies. He's also the guy who keeps pointing out plebbit in op because he requires constant validation from others by receiving reactions. This is all he has, please understand

>>77505134
i miss the one that posts the facepalm anime image (i think if im remembering right) i see it in different threads and always says something about fraudsters. gives me a chuckle each time i love him

>>77505209
yeah, the ones who put a bit of effort in and show comedic value are a step above

would a clinic give me reverse test?
I injected their sauce for 2 years and it practically did nothing beyond placebo.
So I stopped taking it and suddenly felt way higher test than before and had large ejacs and could finally gain muscle

>>77505312
did you at any point have your e2 checked

sounds like atomization issues

>>77505358
Even with high e2 you'd still make gains given you don't starve and train at least a little
>>77505312
Maybe they put you in an estrogen clinic because they assumed you wanted to become a tranny by your faggy appearance

>>77505312
What do you mean reverse test?
>>77505358
>>77505369
High estrogen doesn't make muscle building harder (it's actually anabolic, saturating quickly), you just need to eat more
It can make ejaculation worse though

>>77505358
They never did that, they promised tests all the time, scheduled them several months out and then just "forget" they were scheduled, wait another 3 months, etc.

>>77505375
I don't know. Some kind of test suppressing liquid. I noticed debris in a lot of the syringes and figured it had micro plastics (I'd tell the clinic this, they said don't use it but also refused to replace the bad doses)

>>77505391
There are plenty of meds that reduce test.
If you want to reduce your natural production: cyproterone acetate (CPA), estradiol (yeah), long-acting GnRH agonists like triptorelin
If your natural production is already suppressed: bicalutamide (check for liver toxicity though, it affects a few but is quickly fatal)

>>77505410
I don't want to change it. It's fine where it is. I'm just surprised I have permanently higher test after stopping testosterone injection

>>77505414
>I'm just surprised I have permanently higher test after stopping testosterone injection
Did you lose fat? What ester did you inject? Some esters can take a while to clear out. Did you change your lifestyle? Can have a huge impact on natural test levels.

>>77505417
The only things in the treatment was testosterone cyanogenate, and gonadorellin which was supposed to keep my testicals healthy.
Lifestyle changed somewhat. I focused a lot on nutrition and exercise when I was on the testosterone for best results, which might have increased my stress and counteracted the test.
Now the only exercise I get is because I have to crank out dozens of large cooms every day and eat very little

How long does bac water last when the vial is punctured

>>77505428
at least 2 months in the fridge
t. my wishful thinking

Can somebody explain “prep” for bodybuilders for me? Is it basically just a cutting phase? Is it possible to gain muscle or recomp during it?

If I didn’t build enough muscle as I wanted during the off season, can I really not recomp a couple weeks during prep to put on a couple more lb for a show?

Something like 400 test 300 mast 400 tren and posssibly some var or winstrol? I really wouldn’t build muscle on that even eating at a deficit?

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>>77505227
>it depends on bodyfat/sleep quality desu
oh i always thought it was mostly genetics and you couldn't change it much--in other words how strong the various enzyme expressions are

>>77505574
generally *if* the goal is to look as big and ripped as possible you have to build the muscle in the off season (as indicated by progress with reps and sets) and then try to retain it as the fat gets burned off during prep

you can absolutely relax in the off season and use prep to grow and lose fat at the same time but you won't be maximizing both size and condition

as far as dosages go, that's totally dependent on your body and goals.

>>77505428
it lasts forever imo... at least i've used pretty old shit and it was perfectly good

>>77505052
yes now go back to redd*t

>>77505733
make your own and we will use that one instead, or suggest an alternative
complaining doesnt solve the problem

>>77505830
Ok I am phonefagging rn, maybe when I am on my computer later

>>77505424
>Test cyp
Give it a month or two to clear out fully, it has a 1 week half life. Then allow a few more months for your natural production to properly resensitize. It's possible your dose was too low because it's a long-acting ester.
>Gonadorelin
Interesting

>>77503412
>yk-11
Causes brain damage
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37468001/

>>77503337
Ok, so I know you're not supposed to ask for sources here, but seriously, where should I even

>>77505954
Steroid source talk it's literally a website

>>77505975
this. don't believe any random fags solo selling shit on telegram that don't have a lab with reputation behind it either. some retard keeps trying to shill himself here. 9.8/10 these people are, if not outright scammers, just reselling what they buy from ugls on places like sst relabeled

>>77505954
eroids dot com and choose your global location.

>>77505926
>.gov
I ain't clicking that shit nigger

>>77505926
one paragraph about rats getting oxidative stress. right.

>>77505134
Lmao true

I got way too high and can’t tell if I feel like shit due to EQ crashing my E2 or being way too high.

>>77506524
>smoking weed on EQ
anon you are fucked take Dbol NOW

have any of you experienced tendinitis/golfers elbow/nerve pain or any other kind of persistent pain mid cycle and did you just lift through it to get most out of it or taper off and rest until it was healed?

Are test cyp and enanthate interchangeable?

>>77506863
cyp has a slightly longer half life but yes

>>77506557
Yes I used BPC157 to recover and lowered weight/training for that arm specifically and it got better.

>>77505428
I've used hospira vials for 6+ months after puncture, never refrigerated them. No issues whatsoever. just sterilize properly and you'll be fine
That is literally the entire point of bacteriostatic water, to inhibit bacterial growth.

Will cheap Chinese HGH ever come back?

>>77506981
>>77505428

Expiration date on mine is 2028

>>77506990
GOD I HOPE

>>77506990
200 for 360ius isn't cheap? What was it before?
>>77506991
I don't know if you're joking, but that expiration date is for unpunctured vials. When you do start using it they generally give it a 28 days life span after which you "should" throw it out.

Will roiding get me a gf

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Also check em
Probably not normal for a cruise dose

>>77507225
don't bother. when you roid it's a lot easier to just go to the gay bar for some bussy

>>77507397
Fuark. I just want to stop being a dyel

>>77507225
I got more pussy prior to roids, now I would rather focus on the gym than prioritizing a foid. Will hookup with one sporadically some times though.
>>77507411
Roid for yourself, not for others.

>>77507534
>Roid for yourself, not for others.
this

I mean, you're literally fucking with your entire endocrinological system. even though it's a calculated risk, it's a risk. no pussy is worth that. just work on getting pussy if that's what you want

>>77507569
I mean I can always do HCG and pct right

>>77507192
$0.35 an IU

>>77507192
2-3 months

>>77507584
These are not magic bullets
But yes, roid for yourself, not for others
Everyone else in this life is temporary, you are the only thing that is not

>>77507584
Just remember you are here forever. You can PCT but you will never fully be back to pre-gear.

>>77507708
Only sometimes true. People who only used for months/couple years can definitely rebound fully. Borge Fagerli did and managed to have higher natty levels in his 40s than his 30s after years of using high amounts (even 1g of test at times). He said it was a very 2 rough years, but eventually he rebounded. Obviously this is n=1 but it's more than what you provided (nothing).

>>77507584
your endocrinological system and the risks you take with it using steroids exceed "HCG and pct will always fix everything". it's not black and white clean cut how your body will respond compared to others, especially when you start adding compounds more complex than testosterone to the mix. for example, I destroyed my thyroid and I've only ever done moderate doses of the compounds I used. I have friends who after years of natty still are a little off brain chemically from years of tren. heart issues, BP, whatever. balding, gyno, so on. It all adds up over time and for some unlucky people sooner than later. people should be aware it can happen to them. I personally, still think it's worth it. but I sure as shit wouldn't have taken a single one of those potential risks or side effects for a wet hole to stick my dick in

>>77503337
Anyone else inject 10g of androgens weekly? Currently running 7.5g test and 2.5g tren.

When I started I could barely inject 2-3ml at a time. Now I can do 40ml a week with no problem.

>>77507913
Im 27 and virgin so might as well be like fuck it

>>77507913
The Tren brain paranoia is so overblown and has zero science backing. Obviously if you have shit mental health or mental issues untreated this stuff will make you feel worse. If you are managing your mental health well odds are you won’t experience any issues. Most of the mental side effects go away overtime the longer you stay on roids anyway.

>>77507984
it's not just paranoia. I personally experience no paranoia on tren, many do not. but pretending tren doesn't alter your brain chemicals/chemistry and can't cause long term depressive issues after use is both medically and anecdotally false. just because you have experienced otherwise doesn't change chemical reality or the experience of those who have had negative effects. the bottom line is that not everyone recovers equally and not everyone experiences sides equally and you are risking it when you use these substances

>>77507997
well when you are injecting a CNS stimulant that keeps you wired constantly and the lack of good REM sleep some people can’t handle tha

>>77507997
A lot of this gets into the Nocebo effect perpetuated by these anecdotes but again with zero scientific backing. Yes, androgens can enter the brain and our brain has androgen receptors, but we can’t really conclude much more than that.

Yes steroids are drugs and harmful, but I’m tired of the Tren paranoia in regards to the psychological side effects. If anything I believe Tren is one of the most overblown roids in my experience.

my titty hurts its time for ai right

>>77508020
Does it turn you on when you squeeze it.

>>77508022
no it hurts cunt can't you read

>>77508026
You’re probably just pressing on them too hard and making them sore or need to wear a softer fabric shirt.

>>77508032
never been sore before
start blasting
now sore

nah just coincidence u right

>>77508033
How long have you been blasting
This much Test are you running

>>77508010
yeah, it also alters dopamine, serotonin and gaba pathways in the brain. it can as well cause both temporary and long term emotional blunting, which may contribute to things (I notice this in myself with all steroids but particularly tren). I think most people experience paranoia from not just the sleep issues over time, but from blood saturation inconsistency and drops, which in turn messes with those brain chemicals. likewise, discontinued use after your body has adapted to these changes from long term use can reasonably lead to long term issues in users who don't adapt back as easily

>>77508014
just because human trials are presently illegal doesn't mean there is no scientific or medical backing. there have been many studies on mice/in vitro human cells and records of sides experienced by BBs before illegality. there are many things that can be attributed to placebo, but for you to claim a well documented side effect is bs simply because you do not experience it is off. if you never get gyno, will you say men are simply manifesting breast tissue with their minds? of course not. its all chemicals that effect our body, "mental" in this aspect is not some measure of the imagination, it is the direct impact of chemical changes and the body's individual response to them. some people get the short end of the stick with paranoia, we do not. that doesn't make their experience non-existent

but I do agree with you tren is incredibly overblown and people do often exaggerate. running it rn ironically

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>cruising on 200 test 100 deca 4iu hgh 5mg tadalafil
Holy shit I can't stop jerking off

>>77507963
No way in hell
I don't believe you
Based if real tho

>>77508097
why the tadalafil

>>77507913
What do you think the risks are for something like the following, 1 cycle only ever to help me hit my natural+ ceiling faster:
>6 months
>test 300-400/wk
>primo 100-400/wk (whatever dose to get estrogen in check)
>maybe 2-3iu HGH for 3-6 months
>maybe 1-2 runs of 6 weeks of 20-30mg anavar
And then PCT

>>77508185
>1 cycle only ever
Why would you ever do anything other than pure test? And maybe GH

>>77508112
nta but boners, vascularity, and pumps
also general cardiovascular health

>>77508221
normie company has a daily tad for heart health now. just saw a commercial for it a few days ago

>>77508190
Likely need to keep E2 in check with 300-400mg T and if I can do that with either an AI or primo, why not primo since it carries additional anabolic effects over an AI?

Anavar, yeah probably not necessary. But considered it for extra collagen synthesis. Maybe 2-3iu HGH would cover that by a long shot. Definitely the least defensible of the 4 mentioned

>>77508328
Because primo e may take weeks to take effect while your AI takes 24 hours. If you've never run test by itself you don't know how much you aromatize, and then you don't know much primo blocks your e2. Running test 400 primo 200 is a decent guess for most people but you should have AI on hand nonetheless.

>>77508353
Makes sense thanks. Yeah I wasn't going to just sling primo in without first establishing my aromatization baseline. And I didnt know primo takes weeks, Ill def have an AI on hand in that case. I'm not planning on doing this for at least another year, so I still have a lot to learn. If I could establish an aromatization ratio and then work in primo, do you think that would be worth whatever time remained for the 6 months or just stick to T and AI? And generally, what's your take on running T at 300-400 for 6 months? It's a figure I heard from Kurt Havens, something about it being long enough to have a some level of a permanent effect on potential muscle ceiling. Thx

>>77508328
Why bother with primo? Estrogen isn't significantly anabolic compared to test anyways so an AI isn't going to hurt

>>77506557
It's eternal but it gets way better with isometrics

>>77507963
Post physique (I know you won't, zoomer)

>>77508422
My point was that primo can reduce e2 according to many, so instead of an AI, why not primo since it will have more anabolic effects than just taking an AI. But as other anon pointed out, it can take weeks but AI will be effective within a day or so. I think the smartest move rn is 300-400 T, AI as needed, 2-3iu HGH, anavar meh maybe if it's easy to get at the time

>>77508020
Do an e2 test it's one of the cheaper ones if you use an outside lab

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redpill me on hgh brothers. Worth spending over $1k for a cycle of it?

>>77508779
Bro planning to inject 100iu a day over here

>>77504650
You never even took EQ did you?

I fucking hate pigs.
Was omw to the gym but a FUCKING COP VAN stood parked right outside. I live in sweden where pinning gear is looked at as a capital crime and they can haul your ass in for testing just for looking buff.. not sure if it was one of their occasional controls (they raid gyms every so often), but talk about having ur day ruined....

ACAB

>>77508430
that's elon musk. you already know what he looks like

is there any additional test i should get now that im at the 4 week first cycle mark. this is the tests that I got prior to the cycle for baseline:

Complete Blood Count (CBC) with Differential/Platelet
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (CMP)
Testosterone, Free and Total, MS
Lipid Panel
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)
FSH and LH
Estradiol
PSA Total (Reflex To Free)
Prolactin

I probably dont need to take all of these again do I, and is there anything that you might add at this stage. 500 test and some hcg

>>77503372
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2299306/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7773651/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17431994/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27717586/

>>77509193
sorry you live in a totalitarian 3rd world shithole brother, but at least your women are tall and white and beautiful

>>77509592
and raped by somalians

Do I run HCG while on cycle or as pct when coming off

>>77509625
Most run hcg towards the end of their cycle and for a few weeks afterwards before they start their pct. But you can run hcg for the whole cycle if you want, some like to.

Can I blast test + deca without getting a puffy balloon face?

>>77509792
i do it but im better than you

>>77509812
nigga this aint about skill it is about knowledge
better at what?

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>>77509824
everything, anything

>>77508779
Amazing. I run 2iu indefinitely with TRT and its life changing...

1k for a cycle is retarded...

You can get legit Chinese HGH for like $200 for 360 iu... and its probably more like 400 iu because they always overfill. Right now there is a lot of bunk shit going around but find a good grey vendor and you'll be fine.

>>77509422
Get iron studies
Lipid panel useless, only triglycerides matter, get Apo A1, ApoB & trigs
FSH & LH useless
Progesterone & DHEA much more useful than prolactin if youre not on 19-nors

Optional tests IGF-1, CRP, hbA1C, aldosterone & renin, cortisol & thyroid

>>77504650
Agreed, EQ is a waste of rig space even at proper doses which is over a gram.

>>77505954
>>77505954
>>77507963
Boston Lloyd did.

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>>77509422
>shitload of tests
>4 weeks of 500 test and some hcg
you don't need all that wtf. you aren't even at steady state with your hormones yet
maybe wait until after week 8 and do estrogen, lipids, and cbc for building some idea of the changes
>>77509625
hcg increases estrogen so it's your call
>>77509878
the most i remember is he did 1g tren

I feel like as soon as I choose a compound to run niggas here flip the script from it being a godsend to being overhyped dogshit. Next cycle I’ll add Primo/HGH and then all of a sudden it will be a waste of money and I should’ve done Peepeepoopoo-1488.

>>77509998
there's no right answer. do all the pros run primo? no. lots of them actually love EQ. you need to try it for yourself.

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>>77509842
12 ius a day for 6 months is well over $1k.

>2iu indefinitely with TRT and its life changing

what benefits do you enjoy? I thought that was just a baby tier dose for women who want better skin and hair.

>>77510023
>>77509842

Anything less than 8iu a day is a waste

>>77510042
retard

>>77510009
This is what I have been saying for 13 years as a polysubstance abuser unironically

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>>77509998
He ran EQ?
Shit on it

I can’t seem to gain weight but can’t really eat more, should I add more fat macros to my bulk? I really like alfredo sauce I could eat half a jar a day with my chicken.

>>77510082
adding fat to meals *can* help by getting daily calories up, but it won't do much if your carb load is not high enough
insulin and IGF are the main top level signals for growth so you need those to be higher on a daily basis than what they currently are

>>77510106
I could be eating more carbs probably, I figured 270g was enough (potatoes, rice, rice crispies).

>>77510082
>can't eat more
100% number 1 bullshit
You can switch to calorie dense foods vs typical diet foods easily and hit a ton of calories without really pushing much volume
Don't eliminate veggies but trying to get 4k+ calories in chicken and broccoli is gonna be a bad time
>meat that isn't super lean
>whole milk (in a protein shake)
>peanut butter(you can do natty please if hfcs, sugar and onions lecithin is a problem or some other nut butter)
>add fruit like blueberries or bananas to shakes or to yogurt
>add granola to yogurt
Then you have combinations that easily can stack up 1500-2000 cals in a single meal
>ground beef, bell peppers, onions and carrots over rice with a couple fried eggs
Adding fats can work and still be relatively healthy too:
>salmon
>avocado
>full fat diary as mentioned prior
It's actually pretty easy to get a ton of calories if you aren't a faggot

>>77510147
Mainly its lean beef, chicken, potatoes, fat free cheese, greek yogurt, oats, milk, peanut butter, rice crispys, rice, with the occasional strawberry’s/bananas, honey. Could I eat a fuck ton more peanut butter? yeah of course but I am not trying to eat that much fat. Def need more Broccoli or veggies I miss my salads. I think just eating more is the idea but some days I have to stuff my face with my premade meals until I am full then put it away until I want a snack and repeat until I go to bed.

>>77504607
dude I think I posted this shit years ago. Crazy someone is still copy pasting this. I was on steroids when I posted it and still am btw

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>>77510152
It's easy to add more rice and sauce

>>77510219
I fucking HATE RICE

Why do gay people always hate rice

>>77508410
Not necessarily that primo takes weeks but the enanthate ester has a half-life of 5 days so you're not saturated until ~6 injections at least (if you're pinning e3.5 days). Point is that AI is fast for e2 control, primo is slow.

I'd run my first cycle for ~1/3 of the year (17 weeks) and run 400 test 200 primo like I said, if you can afford it, but you know nothing about me except that I'm bored and on 4chan so please keep lurking.

>>77509592
>your women are tall and white and beautiful
I've never been to Sweden but growing up in the Midwest all the chicks with Swedish ancestry were tall yes but stocky and muscular, maybe who you'd want for the mother of your future hockey playing sons but not your first choice of hot chicks to bang (Italians on the other hand). So to me to Sweden = hot chicks seems like a psy-op or something.

>>77510217
post physique

>>77510413
no I have ulcerative colitis and lost a bunch of weight shitting myself to death over the last couple of months. I look like ahit rn

>>77510431
yeah i wonder why

Need some advice, boys.
I'm thinking about doing my first cycle. I'm 36. I'm an MMA amateur fighter. Age is catching up. Lifting is not my focus and I don't want to gain huge muscles. I'm mainly interested in recovery. I thought about taking just testosterone or maybe something like anavar because they seem to have relatively low risk profiles. Shit like tren is out of the question for me. What do you think? Any advice?

>>77510436
ur right the tren made me shit my guts out

Why cant i just run 600 test indefinitely if i feel fine and dont have side effects? Why are people on cycles? lol

>>77510979
your bloodwork will eventually become out of whack even if you might feel "fine"
I would say up to 300 it is ok tho.

>>77510979
I see no big problem with it. The reason that you NEED cycles comes from when you're doing a different pattern of taking things which aren't that tolerable. Check labs and BP when you get to it and do what you need to do to control it. There are clearly cycles you could do where those numbers won't be controllable even with supplements and prescriptions and such.

>>77510431
Post toilet

>>77510979
No one has thought of this, you should do it

>>77511050
>>77511618

What do you think Sam Sulek is doing? He's probably blasting 3 years straight and he could stop tomorrow and im sure be fine.

>>77511635
Same dose 3 years straight? No I bet my left nut he isn't
Now his cruise very well could be 600 or higher
I just think what he considers a blast is double or more than that
That's in the ballpark for the typical pro bb dose including gh and slin at least

>>77511635
He has breathing issues despite only being in his early 20s

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6 month 240 blastcruise has produced great results with minimal sides. Anyone else done similar "cycles" before? I've put on more muscle than my previous 12 week 350 blasts and plan on doing 6 on 6 off for at least the next 2 years. Might add in some hgh for the next one.

>>77511759
I cruise at 350 pussy

I cruise at 160 like a responsible and healthy man

I cruise permablast like a suicidal middle aged man

>>77510322
Thanks man, I'll take this and keep digging

If you don’t permablast you’re permagay

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Based on most anons here "cycle" dosages my 200 test 100 deca is a permablast, so I guess it is a thing after all
The more you know, I thought I was going easy with it

>>77511875
lol
lmao

>>77511875
300mg of androgens is obviously not a blast. It’s baby/reddit tier.

>>77510979
Many stressors build up according to dose and duration.
Chronic oxidative stress - glutathione decrease, MDA/TBARS buildup, PRX 1/2
MMP-9, IL-8 & GDF-15 chronically elevated
TLR4 activation
NLRP3 inflammasome activation
Inflammatory pathways TNF-a, IL-6, IL-1b
Probably more I can't fucken remember

Theoretically if you offset all these stressors, you could blast forever and still be healthier than 99.9% of people

>>77508101
Problem is my gains have plateaued and adding more grams doesn’t seem to be fixing that.

But adding orals the past couple days? Game changing even if it’s mostly water/glucogen — I’m already more thick and I love it.

So yeah probably will go back down to just 5g test a week for health reasons but run 200mg orals daily (Anadrol/Dbol/Anavar)

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been cruising on 250 test for 6 months or so, up from my standard 200 because I got really lean and was just feeling off. 250 fixed it perfectly. ran bloods finally as I'm getting ready for a proper blast and my E2 is 99. I was going to titrate up to 400 or so and then add in primo or mast, but I think at this e2 I should probably start with primo. Something like 300 test, 75 primo run bloods and go from there? Or send it with test only and see how high of e2 I can handle? I have asin, dbol, and whatever else I might need.

>>77511759
dude thats TRT lmao

>>77503337
are bpc and tb500 placeboo?

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Adding 200mg mast to my 400mg test per week
Anyone have any interesting or insightful first time mast experiences? I am already bald.

400/400/400 test/mast/deca is almost as good as it gets right? I feel so good I want to double the mast.

>>77512071
They both work but I'd be worried about thinking that they're a "free lunch". BPC in particular seems to dramatically increase local blood vessel formation, both in mouse studies and anecdotally, beyond what is normal. Neither would be my go to for some minor issues but if you're having the same issue for months or years a small course wouldn't be irrational.

>>77512119
What is the most prestigious cycle for upper middle class fraudsters who have unlimited money?
Primo + Mast + HGH + Test?

>>77512201
Primo and anything I guess.

>>77512201
Let me come live and train with you so I can not be poor and I'll tell you everything you need to know

>>77512205
that isn’t exactly feasible but I counter offer with letting me come live with you instead? I won’t suck your dick or anything but I am a good roommate.

>>77512216
Hmm okay, I can probably live with that - maybe you could just put a cored grapefruit on my dick when I'm sleeping sometimes and I probably won't mind !

>>77512226
No I will never leave my room besides work or gym, but I have my own free weights I use at home currently in my boxers. I do kind of be loud at night but if you text me to keep it down I oblige. I keep my space tidy and clean and my cat is my problem not yours. We can do roids and workout and be friends I already am imagining us laughing around the couch sharing Anavar because our delivery got delayed and you can borrow my lifting straps because Chad stole yours. Don’t touch my fucking food though.

>>77510979
you're going to develop heart failure in your 30s or 40s

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>>77511450
I literally moved into this apartment 3 days ago and my toilet is already covered in shit. I haven't grabbed my toilet brush from storage yet and I take 6-10 diarrhea shits a day so i guess that's life

>>77512229
I can't wait to eat macaroni cheese and pop anavar together while we listen to the Ten Minute Podcast together bro! Maybe once a month we should also take a zoomer from the gym back to our place and we can use him as a chair most days while he cries. I also thought this would be a really good way to save money on injecting because if we load the barrell up with double the steroids we can shoot half each with the same needle

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I started 250mg test about 9 days ago. injecting 125 twice a week and I've developed horrible insomnia. Will it go away eventually or should I lower my dosage or split the injections further. I feel like I'm going crazy unable to sleep.

>>77512293
Insomnia is a symptom of high esteogen

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>primo powder arrived
>theres 600mg more than I ordered

>>77512293
Lmao your not injecting test throw that shit out
>>77512340
You don't saturate enough in 9 days with this little a dose to get high e2

>>77512201
primo + hair transplant

>>77512023
Dose that puts me at 2,000 total test isn't trt

>>77510486
For your first cycle you'll want low-mid dose test to see how you respond and how it effects MMA training in particular. 200-400mg test E/C or Prop a week. Split the E twice a week, if doing Prop split it 3x a week minimum. Have aromasin on hand in case of high estrogen sides

If that works out and you want to keep going with PEDs for your fighting career, you'll graduate to the "superman stack". Low/mid dose test for strength, recovery and aggression, low dose nandrolone for joint support and revovery, mid/high dose EQ for insane cardio and performance gains. Depending on your size and weight class I'd run something like:
200-400mg test
300-600mg EQ
150-200 NPP/Deca

You can add orals eventually but that would be pretty superfluous with that injectable stack until you're very advanced. People would recommend anavar for training recover and halo for fight aggression but a lot of fighters are swapping those out for SARMS these days, Ostarine for Var and Rad140 for your agression/androgen. You could add Cardarine as well for unlimited endurance if you dont mind the (bogus) cancer studies.

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11 days on babbys first frauding,
Up about 6lbs of water (intramuscular not bloat),
Pumps are hitting differently now. No other effects yet, libido, skin, strength, etc etc

(280mg test c a week… 80mg eod schedule, plus 3.5iu hgh/day, 3850kcal)

What can I expect in the next 24 weeks?

>>77511973
That's the joke, anon

tren e week 8
went from constant masturbation/porn watching/endless hard ons to no erections and sexual apathy in the past few days

no other symptoms whatsoever so I'm not sure if it's prolactin, e2 or plain ol dopamine burn out yet

still feel pretty good in general so unless other symptoms arise I'll probably just ride out the last few weeks

>>77512600
nevermind. I recognize the issue. I've been looking at straight porn. just watched a reel of some dude flexing and got rock solid. it's just normal trengay, I'm fucking back baby

>>77512533
Right right right lmao
>>77512609
I have to admit my porn habits are turning more taboo after restarting my Nandrolone cycle up…

>>77512621
What do you mean right right right?

>>77512640
Right

>>77512621
you definitely fall down a porn rabbit hole eventually. fluctuates for me though. one day it's full on bestiality or some shit where you aren't even interested just jerking it, then it's the most vanilla ass woman "sensually" touches herself or something. keeps things interesting

>>77512515
Are E and C enanthate and cypionat?
What is Prop?
What are NPP and Deca?
What about bloodwork? I have heard I should do this before taking anything and regularly during a cycle.

>>77509998
dude i take 50mg of peepeepoopoo ed. shit's amazing! got me to 250 at 5%, fixed my hairline, and doubled all my lifts. made me straight though, so my boyfriend is pissed

>>77510082
2 cups whole milk, 2 scoop whey, 1 cup oats, 4tbsp peanut butter, 2tbsp olive oil, 2tbsp honey, 1 banana. blend and add water as desired for consistency. it's like 1800 calories and 100g protein

>>77511984
any recs boys??

>>77512727
right right right

>>77511984
You are in no man's land of AI control. Even if you nailed 300mg Test + x mg Primo, when you bump up to 400mg Test you're going to have to recalibrate it anyways, it's not just 4/3 more. Someone in the thread was even talking about 400 test 200 Primo, and on pl*bbit people talk about 500 test 300 primo as a luxury cycle. It varies per person but those seem to be reported tolerable numbers.

>>77512699
Yeah it has gone from woman fingering orgasms to just straight nasty shit (not scat yet but close). It does keep things interesting but man is it fluctuated.

how much hcg with trt to maintain fertility?

>>77511984
var + AI bitch nigga

>700 mg test/week
>still tired asf no matter how much sleep I get
>dont have extra motivation than when not pinning
It has to be high e right? I hate taking ai but i might have to

>>77513846
>get a $35 bloodtest
>ask 4chan

You really chose the latter?

>>77513846
How long have you been on 700mg? It does take a while for the effects of test to really become noticeable.

woke up with intense gut pain and started vomiting pure stomach acid

I am fucking sorry for daring to eat a donut earlier in the day tren

>>77514082
How long tren? I started getting that bile nausea/vomit after around 25wks of 250mg.

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I need a way to flexibility fraud, fast. Anything whatsoever. I need to be able to fix my flexibility to the point I can sit crosslegged like pic related. I could tell you my reasons but you'd likely laugh at me. Hardwork isn't getting me anywhere on my flexibility, my muscles are too tense.

blogpost inc
im gigafucked on so many levels. i have 2 huge scars hiding behind my balding ass head. im getting them treated atm with fraxel but will need some skin-like-camouflage tattooing.
so to not look dumb bald i thought of roiding. i feel like looking like a DYEL normie AND being bald is a death sentence
idk if im letting this shit fuck with me too much but its def on my mind alot.
also, no. i cant wear a hair-system (that looks good) and go to the gym.

>>77514354
Learn to type like a non-retard. How are you supposed to build the discipline to improve the body, if you can't have the discipline to improve your mind by not writing like a lazy nigger? I'm serious. Build better habits. Whether it's keeping your room clean, fixing your diet, or typing properly.

I'm considering taking cabergoline before sexual activity. Is this a sane thing to do?

>>77514518
Im taking it for a pituitary tumor, i think you need to take it for like 6 weeks+ to really notice a difference. I kind of notice a reduction in the refractory period, but not really motivation to go more than once even though i technically could.

Higher doses might be different idk, im just on 250mcg a week.

>>77512714
Im a big chungus

>>77514562
Would I kill you in a fist fight? Yes. Would I fist fight you in the first place? Also yes. You're fucking dead.

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>>77514082
there's something wrong with your bile flow or pancreas since those get worked hard trying to break down fried shit
at least for me taking anything like tudca/udca, ox bile, digestive enzymes, etc really helped prevent problems

>>77514320
Sorry to say but the secret has always been to slurp semen.
Why? The hormone called relaxin, which is responsible for lengthening tendons and ligaments, is only produced by men in the prostate and gets released into seminal fluid.
That's why gay men always end up so flexible.

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>>77514562
your a big guy

>>77514518
It will significantly reduce your refractory period. In layman terms you can fuck right after fucking

>>77514093
25 weeks of tren is quite the commitment. How is it treating you!

>>77515109
I stopped because it was harsh, cycled off now it's Nandrolone time which I will cycle off in like 4 weeks once I run out of this vial; my body does NOT like 19nors...

>>77515103
I can already fuck after fucking. I just don't like that my orgasms only last one second and I feel terrible afterwards too.

>>77515299
There are supps you can take to make it feel better/longer but this is the first time I have heard caber makes you recoup faster after cooming, I just want my prolactin down.

Whats the appeal of roids? I mog kids half my age that play football natty.

>>77515327
>I have been lifting for 15 years natty and mog kids who have been lifting 5 months!
lol I guarantee you are a DYEL balding freak

>>77513287
i think it was 350 twice a week is fine. doesnt take much

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>>77503337

I am going to start Estrogen and become a beautiful varbie with a huge clit (my tiny white penis).

>>77515699
why not save some steps and skip directly to suicide

>>77515699
based

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Are poststerone, kaladasterone, and dacryhainansterone the most deranged Chinese bug steroid out there? They all seem even less-researched than calonysterone.

>>77516170
show actual bug steroid results and then we can decide

>>77516208
>show actual bug steroid results and then we can decide
You asked for it...
>Liu, et al. "Zhengan Xifeng Decoction Improves Hypertension by Regulating the Bile Acid Profile and the FXR/NLRP3 Signaling Pathway: An Integrated Targeted Metabolomics and Network Pharmacology study"
>SSRN preprint, 18 Aug 2026
>https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=7267521

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The AUDACITY of these STEROID PUNKS, acting like they are the only ones that lift weights! So what that you lift weights who cares, people that don't use STEROIDS lift weights too!

I dare the STEROID PUNKS to lift weights WITHOUT STEROIDS like a real man!

Stay natural buddy!

>>77516257
no

>>77503337
Is Enclomiphene still the best option for PCT?

>>77510219
>vineggar
I hate everything with/that contains vinegar. Vinegar is the most disgusting and repulsive thing in the world. It's literally a cleaning product.

>>77512515
That's a good advice

>>77512715
Is it the 14/88 version or not

>>77510082
>I can’t seem to gain weight
I never understood people with this problem. Even on a high dose of Tirz I have to watch what I eat or I'll balloon up. Like how hard is eating high calorie foods you fucking pussy? It's so delicious

Has anyone of you niggers realized that taking glp1s is actually free because you safe the money for the drugs by not spending so much on food in the weeks following.
If you got the cheap stuff from china directly you'd actually be making money from this.

>>77516384
>Ahhh I can eat goyslop McShitters and 3 pizzas a day and gain weight so easily, why can't you just eat 3x portions of lean calories like chicken and potatoes as easily?

>>77515699
welcome home

>>77516512
fuck, right? that shit is nasty. so many garbage restaurants out there

Dont think im ever shooting my delt again. I cant move my arm.

>>77516628
are you another shallow IM guy

>>77516655
I dont know. It's a 1" needle.

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wtf is an oral suspension

>>77516793
You are not smart enough for this game, anon
That's actually impressive in a way
You might need a full time chaperone though

>>77516793
>wtf is an oral suspension
It's when I'm too mean to my gf and she won't lick my peener until I apologize to her.

>>77516384
This. I guess they are just gay.

>>77516793
nigger.... water. or vodka or 151, if it's something that doesn't dissolve well

>>77516793
it's a way to dose raw powder because measuring it out into clear caps fucking sucks

Wanting to get on 300mg of test a week. Got all the stuff for it with pct and emergency ancillaries in case of gyno.
However, I have alwasy tended to have high blood pressure and am prescribed 10 mg lisinopril daily. What does fraud think? Resting heart rate is always high forties low fifties, BP i check daily and is always in range.

>>77517597
Nigga if you have conditional high BP and are prescribed meds already you are fine. I have a RHR of like 70 and awake casually playing games it is consistently 130. I shower and it hits 157. You won't die immediately but keep up cardio and donate blood.

>>77517632
I am thinking the same. I already do my stair master 30 mins every morning and have for a while. go on at least 2 mile runs at least 4 times a week as well.

the only thing I have ever been weary about is blood donation. From all the research I have done, I have never really understood when you are supposed to do that during the cycle. After first blood test? if RBC/hematocrit is too high?

>>77517637
It's not necessary, it depends on compounds you run, how long you run it, your hematocrit your rbc count you dont NEED to do it but you CAN. It won't solve your problems but it will delay the dangerous outcome.

Any experiences with ipamorelin?
I’d like to try it, but I’ve never used anything before

>>77503337
Is it worth running a cycle if I'm going to do no weightlifting?
I've gotten to a good point in my physique, but I'm having a surgery soon where I won't be able to do any weightlifting/body work whatsoever for a month, possibly a little more.
Will it help to limit muscle loss or am I fucked regardless?

>>77517690
Good stuff, stack it with cjc-1295 no dac for a much bigger effect. Works like a low dose of GH with a shorter, sharper pulse which is arguably superior to sustained GH elevation.

>>77517747
Nope, AAS are for gym veterans with their training and diet dialed in to the max. Without that, you'll just end up with trashed bloodwork.

Roids would maintain sarcoplasm and probably some extra contractile protein, but you won't lose myonuclei detraining for a month or two without roids.

>>77517773
>Good stuff, stack it with cjc-1295 no dac for a much bigger effect. Works like a low dose of GH with a shorter, sharper pulse which is arguably superior to sustained GH elevation
Thanks for the reply.
It seems like a good option for someone like me who just wanted a little push without any consequences

>>77517747
Yeah thats one of the legit medical uses of steroids, to prevent muscle wasting/loss. It's not a regular cycle though, usually much less I think, so look up dosing to be sure.
Other anon is trolling, retarded or both

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>>77517637
you can go above range but you don't want to go too much above. at some point it does actually cause you to get blood clots way too easily

>>77518323
fingers crossed! hct 56

>>77517747
I would cruise. Blasting would be a waste because you're fucking up your bloods for minimal muscle gain.

Should I run tirz if I only want to lose like 10 lbs maybe less?

>>77518562
Nigger just diet for 2 weeks…

If I start a blast (test+deca) how long will it take until the initial water weight gain stops?
Figure I should only track my bodyweight after the initial water gain phase is over so I don't get confused.

>>77518692
that's backwards. you're looking for ways to not track things when the solution is to track everything

>>77518876
yea but how do I know if it is water that im gaining or fat or muscle during that initial start of the bulk phase?
ill look at the scale get up too quickly and feel bad

>>77519010
if you are logging your workouts then you can figure out how well muscle growth is going

>>77518323
The work around is donate whole blood every 56 days. You can drop your hemoglobin in one or two donations significantly. My hemoglobin dropped from 19 to 14 in two donations.

>>77503337
Does anyone have a good link to somewhere I can procure anavar and cialis?

>>77519298
yes I do

>>77519308
would you be willing to share it with me?

>>77519298
Yes @SP1_tbot on tele is legit

>>77519336
no

>>77519343
ok thank you

>>77518562
I'm using it for a mini-cut right now, trying to lose 10-15 lbs before the holiday season. I'm running it at below the nominal starting dose (2mg vs 2.5mg weekly) and the hunger suppression is nice. Experienced minor constipation immediately after my first two pins and night-time heartburn if I ate too close to bed, so you have to nail your meal timings and really spread your calories throughout the day (probably not a problem for us lifting autismo's). Next scheduled dose increase is 5mg at 4 weeks but I'll probably stick with 2 or bump it up to 3 or 3.5 if I feel it's wearing off. So far it's been an 8.5/10 don't plan on ever not using this shit again for a cut.

>>77519498
Yeah I used reta for my pre summer cut and it made life so much better. I did a mini blast and I figure it will be nice to get back into the single digits before I bulk again. There's just something especially torturous about cutting once you reach like 8% body fat. It's like your body is screaming at you to eat 24x7.

I had to switch tests mid-cycle and i've gotten weak. It must be bunk. I stopped anavar and hgh though i dont know if that has something to do with it. Would it be obvious if my test tanks?

>>77519978
Depending on how much var you're taking that could be a significant drop in androgens. It's impossible to say how obvious bunk test would be since people react differently to crashed hormones.

i am taking 500 test per week and 700iu HCG per week, split into daily, small doses. this is my first cycle. is has been almost 4 weeks since the beginning, and i am experiencing slightly spicy nips already. is the daily HCG giving me too much extra estrogen, I am going to get a blood test very soon but some people are saying I should wait until week 6. I ahve also heard people talk about how i should take 3 and a half days off from pinning before I go in to get the bloodwork done as it will make the measurement against the established metrics wrong, or something. do you agree with this? I have anastrozole ready to go but nothing like raloxifene, i am afraid of gyno appearing early, it has been maybe 1 week of slightly spicy nips already and so early on. please advise me!

>>77520191
>500mg test
Usually requires AI
>HCG
Usually requires AI
>AI in hand but not taking it
...

>>77520275
>>77520275
youre supposed to wait to start it until you feel symptoms right, i have no other high estrogen sides but i have noticed the nips, ive only really been sure about it the last 2 days or so it was kinda hard to tell at first. so im good to start the AI?

>>77520191
You can see/feel gyno easily. It is a mass under your nipple, if you press your nip into itself you would feel it. I like to do the two finger wiggle flat on top and below my nip tip on my areola alternating each finger press which moves the mass a bit so you can feel it more and gauge its size. NORMAL MALE NIPS HAVE NO MASS UNDER IT JUST FEELS HOLLOW, my gyno is slight but can tell there is something there, hope its cancer though since it's only one side.

you gays got any hot tips on reducing wastage during a brew? last one went okay, but today was a shit show. i must have dumped 2 grams on the fucking floor. most of that was me being a clumsy shit though. i didn't put a second pin in this time for whatever reason, fumbled the caulking gun, pin slid off filter (why is 1 side of whataman not leur???), knocked a vial over with the pin still in it, and the pressure spat half a nearly full vial out. feck

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>>77503337
Yo

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>>77503337 .
Yo

>>77519343
who's this? i found nothing about them, aside from news articles about the dude being thrown in prison

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>>77503337
Bonnie blue gangbang
https://onlyjerk.net/bonnie-blue-sextape-she-fucks-an-lucky-asian-guy/

Is frauding worth it for someone who spends 6 months out of the year working on a ship with questionable access to roids?

>>77520191
get your shbg tested too. if you're natural low, you'll aromitize fast, and you'll need an ai even at 500mg. mine hangs around a five, and my e2 will be 3x top normal range on 160mg/week tc. fml. the usual ai doses are fine though. was it 0.25mg adex or 6mg asin, twice a week. ultimately though all this shit is so hyper specific to each person that anything you'll find is just a starting point. try it out, get your bloods, see how YOU respond, and adjust. repeat until you're dead. and, yeah, you can take your ai anytime you feel like it. as with all self directed things, start small, and titrate up