>>101055538
w > u > n (bud) > L > v > j

>>101055538
Me requesting advice:
>Budget
$150ish dollars
>Intended use
Producing, tracking vocals, and casual music listening while running
>Frequency response preference
Something neutral
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Moondrop Starfields were real good especially when EQ'd and using the foam tips. I just purchased some Truthear Novas but haven't received them yet, would they hold up being used for running or do I have to baby them?

>>101055671
Hexa, Etymotic

>>101055671
Novas have bellsings inside so no matter if you baby them, they'll shit themselves anyways

got Samdung FE twshit ass turd second-hand for half the price, of course I gave it a good rub with the alcohol, it's pretty decent
>replacing the batteries is pretty easy
>works with gadgetbridge = full (or at least near-full) functionality without official spyware
>2-3 usable EQ tunings, one called "clear" is pretty good
>ANC is decent, manages to cut off low noise well
>transparency is satisfactory
>the seal is almost good and I think after a bit of tip rolling it'd get better along with the ANC
>the fit in my conch is very good, best part: fins that lock the twpos securely in my ears
will test them while riding the bike, hope they'll serve me well

Copying from last bread.
Are there any PMPs that have adjustable storage with microSD cards that go up to at least 512GB or 1TB? Also with Opus support, an audio jack, and Bluetooth. My portable music folder's around 85GB large and that takes up a lot of space on my 128GB phone, so I'd like to get at least four times more space

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micro scratches 4U !

>>101055861
>adjustable
what do you mean by this?

>>101055861
Hiby M300, Tempotec V3, Hiby R4
dunno about opus decoding, probably

>>101055911
Where I could swap out different microSD cards to expand the storage.

Cumdrop maid phone sale when?

>>101055826
Fuck. Please explain, I can't find anything about this.
>>101055694
>Etymotic
Looks promising and violating at the same time, thanks.

>>101055954
most PMPs with Android should fit your requirements

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>>101055995
The pleasure-bringer, Yuki and Tanchy LOVE IT!

>>101055930
From what I could gather, M300 has "confirmed" opus decoding. Maybe not the V3 (also has the smallest expandable storage). Dunno about R4 and opus.

>>101055873
Use some Polywatch to fix that

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>>101055230
tl;dr $50 budget, picrel is $30, do I redeem? Is it usable as a main daily driver if I EQ? (pausing ~20min to get ~1h recharge doesn't bother me)
>He's an affiliate marketing shill.
Is he? From what I read it seems he gets free tws to review but isn't actually sponsored by anybody, which is why I gave extra credit to his reviews
But yeah, I just got home and was planning to post that exact same graph to try asking again for opinions
Use case is mostly anime stuff, so those mids look sad, but nothing a filter or two can't fix I guess?
And from reviews it seems the only downsides are no AAC and low battery life (but doesn't take long to get a significant recharge)
My first option was getting a Truthear Zero Red since $50 is my absolute limit, but I figured getting a TWS would be convenient so I almost ordered Gate + Space Travel until I found out the latter has no waterproof rating so it seemed pointless as somebody who goes to the gym daily
Edifier TWS1 Pro 2 seems to be several times better than Space Travel feature-wise at $30, so I'm wondering if I can get away with using it as a daily driver, or do I still have to order Gate alongside too for a wired option

>>101055861
Shanling M0 Pro.

>>101056428
It's fine. All TWS are compromised e-waste. Plenty of people are fine with a pair of wireless buds, it's your choice

EA500LM vs OG Olina?

Is it worth picking up a cheap EA500LM if I already have the Olina?

gato for $15, ye or ne

>>101056630
LM = more bass, easier nozzle adjustment / personalized dampening
If those are things you want, then sure. Otherwise your pos is fine enjoy it

>>101056428
Most of the problems of tws are not related to graphs so you won't be able to fix them. You'll still need to EQ, it just won't fix everything. If you're looking for more serious twshit look for something with ldac.

>>101056657
sounds like no then, thanks anon.

Is there a reliable way to test how high i can hear? I use audacity tone generator and i can hear up to 22khz but that shouldn't be possible.
I did an audiometry last year to excellent results, even the medic was surprised.
I want to brag about it to boomers on audio forums

>>101055861
What's your budget? Do you need balanced output and do you need power to drive headpos? Do you care about the size and weight? Android yay or nay?

>>101056727
If you hear something similarish to an old radio tuning above 15 kHz it is just aliasing artifacts and your DAC is dogshit.

>>101056643

Unironically yes. Truthear has problems but they are still some of the best because everyone else is shit

If you dont mind plastic and cheap build it's good and the cable is nice. I used to care but i really dont anymore, not likr you notice it in your ears. Might break maybe if you're super retard.

Better than epz q1 pro overall some design issues in my opinion and less incoherent chinky aesthetics

Better than the hola in this regard which sounds too dead for my liking. The pinna gain here is not too bad either where its overbearing

t.own both, don't use either so not a shill

>>101056727
Many DACs output garbage when you play above 20kHz. Setting system output to 96kHz+ should help with that. And use a tone generator with exlusive access to the sound card, not some browser bs. If the doc said it's fine then it's fine.

>>101056776
It isn't grainy, just a normal sinewave

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so you mean my yet-to arrive novas will break pretty quickly?

>>101056907
why did you buy that pos

>>101056854
you just sold me some pos. you better learn to live with this burden.

>>101056907
Its chifi pos, anon. If they last 2 years you can consider yourself a lucky man.

>>101056983
0 pos have broken on my.

Even my T2 from like 2018 work just fine.

>>101056907
Sharur's pair died after 6 months. Not even typical chifi filter clogging bullshit, it's just straight up hardware failure.

>>101056907
https://youtu.be/3diu3KETZ6E

>>101056983
Average hifiman headphone experience

>>101057037
There is very little incentive to make long lasting products, especially in the fotm-driven budget pos market.
It needs to work just tolerably long enough and break as soon as possible.

>>101057085
>listening to anything but the novas is not worth it
Ordered another pair.

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>>101057051
stfu geez... sharur was dumb enough to use nova at the gym, and sweat/moisture got in killing the drivers. User error in his case.

>>101057198
>be outside in the summer
>get sweaty
>pos dies
Wow I guess using novas is indeed an error.

>>101055930
>>101056036
Thanks for mentioning that. The HiBy M300 looks like a good choice for my needs.

>>101056748
>What's your budget? Do you need balanced output and do you need power to drive headpos? Do you care about the size and weight? Android yay or nay?
$200, no, no, something close in size to a Pixel 7a would be nice, yay.

>>101057240
>>get sweaty
fat people problem

>>101057258
I do martial arts regularly and conditioning style exercises and yesterday my back was drenched

>>101056907
nah, just the turbo schizo having a meltdown and falseflagging because his poozu wanker shilling is not working

>>101056907
Moondrop perfected making self-destructing pos and their engineers went on to create truthear. One anon here had 3 defective hexas. Their only decent product is hola/gato and only because of its comfortable shell.

>>101057258
Anon if you don't sweat you have a testosterone deficiency.

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all my iemxistas are full of estrogen and kawaii!!

>>101057440
Now I know why the 4.4 output in my shio doesn't work if I plug the connector all the way in and only works properly if I connect the (tested in other dacs) cable in a very specific position... hopefully my upcoming pos (plural) function properly.

>>101056428
just get both edifier and gato, it fits your budget anyway
taking zero red or gato to the gym is a terrible idea, none of the truthears are made with gymrats in mind, their focus is the sound quality, shell are just a basic presentation with not waterproofing
gato indoors, edifier outdoors, this way both of them are going to last very long
yes if you go to the gym every day space travel is a hard skip
don't feel weirded out by your tws costing 2 times your iem, cheapening out on tws is a terrible mistake, by design they can't be cheap and good like iems such as gato, chu ii or wankers

>>101057198
>>101057240
>>101057258
nova problem
there are pos that are literally IP-certified such as Letshuoer S12

>>101058218
S12 Pro bros, we just can't stop winning

>>101058296
good pos, whether it's the Pro or a normal S12 modded into Pro with medium density foams

>>101058356
still too much treble

>>101058370
there's always the Glamdring mod by Shortbus Audio, but for me it makes the sound too dark

i use my zat in the hot summer at work for over 8hrs and not a single problem.
>8TND

>>101055538
7Hz x Crinacle Zero: 2 or Truthear x Crinacle Zero: Red?
I like bassy neutral

>>101058549
gaymousetrannysisters...

>>101058625
zero red if you like having your ear holes gaped
zero 2 if you like shallow fit and mcdonalds toy aesthetic

sharur is a fucking pajeet?
wtf

>>101058675
he's a honorary aryan

>>101058657
love me some ear dildo
but got any other (cheaper) iem?

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>>101058625
Zero: 2 if you're fat. Zero: Red if you're fat.

>>101058701
cronicles looks like THAT?

>>101058719
*coonicle

>>101058719
isn't it NGGAR?

>>101058675
Doctor Sean Olive would say that he's doing the needful

>>101058700
no

>>101058700
KZ EST with EST drivers*

*the cheapest Bellsing dynamic drivers

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So I've had the Tiandirenhe TD10MK2 for around a week now. Here are my first impressions, measurements, and more (it's blog time).
Why: I wanted a cheap yet somewhat well-built IEM that was semi-custom (ie secure fit in a small shell). Sound quality was a secondary concern.
I bought it for around $18 (no cable option). Included are the ear pieces, a small case, and a very unique selection of stubby little tips. They are very short, and relatively larger in diameter (still very small); they fit nicely with the set itself, and help make it fit much deeper. Very nice small tips, I'd buy this again just for them.
The IEM itself has a nice ergonomic shape. Faceplate is small and fits the concha nicely without having hotspots. For my smaller-than-average ear, the anti-helix being in contact with the IEM is a frequent issue, but not with this one. Isolation is also surprisingly good, and is above average than most.
Overall, the build quality and included accessories are very solid, especially taking the price into consideration, and despite the lack of cable.

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>>101059380
Initial sound quality impressions are fine. Treble is noticeably muted, and everything sounds very smoothed over without much detail, while upper mids sound a bit shouty. This also causes weird issues in soundstage and separation. Bass level was fine, nothing overpowering but not lacking either, and the transition to the mids is good, with a smooth glide. No major issue with leakage or channel balance.
Without any modification, I would not recommend the IEM. There is very little going for it, and the flaws in the treble are too much. Most modern IEMs around the price will be better sounding.

completely serious question: is there any anime or manga about pos?

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>increased aggression is linked with a preference for excessive bass
>despite making up only 13% of the population...

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>>101059617
From the stock FR, there are three major changes that are needed: the weird resonance at around 4kHz, the big hole at 6kHz, and overall treble level. The first issue is not a dealbreaker, and is not as noticeable as the other issues. Most of them were relatively easy to fix by using measurements and what I was hearing. The resulting sound is nice, smooth, and doesn't really pop out or offend in any way.
After that, EQ was necessary for resonances in the treble, but these were also easy to detect.
I have yet to take the time to properly fill out and completely fix the treble, but as they are, they offer a relaxed sound that is very cozy.

Are Truthear iems actually good?

>>101059617
Yeah that kind of treble roll-off reminds me of EPZ Q1 (non-pro). Just too dark and lacking. Celest Wyvern hits a nice sweet spot of still being smoothed over but not as drastic.

>>101059768
yes
they're pretty much killers in every price range up to $150
you only find better options starting from $300, where audiofool zone begins

>>101059810
mogged by supermix 4

>>101059752
idk but there is this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfWwCfN8TO0

>>101059768
mid. internet shilling and confirmation bias = normie retards parrot that they are good. same thing as moondrop/kz/fiio (old guard of legacy Chi-Fi), which is why you will see so many videos of "LE BEST HECKIN GAYMER IEM UNDER $100 I'VE EVER HEARD?!?!" it's all shilling and poverty of choice. those who are adequately familiar with the VAST array of options from $15-$250 know that the offerings from truthear are simply nothing special. average, or even disappointingly poor depending on the kind of tuning you prefer.

>>101059767
Distortion is very uneventful, as expected with 1DDs. Nothing that will ever be heard or noticed, and this was measured at 105 dB (+/- 3 dB).

To summarize: the physical package that is included is excellent, with unique eartips and a nice resin build quality on the IEMs themselves. As for sound, it is one of few IEMs that would constantly remind me of how much better it could be. It necessitates EQ, and even then, it requires a lot of tweaking.
I would not recommend this for most people. It's one of those sets that are not aimed at perfect sound reproduction, but rather something that is inoffensive, and I'd only ever recommend it if you have a cable lying around and want a comfortable resin set for cheap.

>>101059779
Definitely, it's just unbearably dark and smoothed, and constantly detracts from the music.
In my case, the graph is somewhat exaggerated and I don't hear such an extreme lack of treble (for example I barely use a 3 dB shelf) apart from upper treble. The main issue really is that 6kHz dip that takes away any type of texture and timbral information.

This is kinda a dumbass question but…since my in ears work so well for the stage, even with silicon tips…
How well would something like the zero:red or even the gate do serving as gun pro? I’m talking like 9mm here not .50 cal or anything crazy.
would I go freaking deaf if I use those with foamies and insert deep? I’m thinking of doubling up with some earmuffs too I guess but I wanted to know if the isolation is acceptable I guess. I know sometimes they give you those cheapshit foamies that stick in like dildos but obviously I am more at home with IEMs
tldr; anyone ever use one of your daily drivers for legit earpro?

>>101059617
I was gonna ask if it was still worth it for the accessories but gate already has a cable and case so probably still not worth it.
>still looks better than HBB Hades

>>101059923
>anyone ever use one of your daily drivers for legit earpro?
Don't. Most IEMs block something like 12-20dB. Inadequate protection. Fine to combine with earmuffs

>>101059942
No, not worth it. As mentioned, if you're using it stock, it severely underperforms compared to most other sets in the price range.
It's only good for its accessories and fit/build.

>>101059844
sorry, still not buying wanker shit edition

i just use a blon bl-03, it just works and sounds fine to me

>>101059810
Are there any specific models you would recommended? I heard the Zeros and Hexa were good.

>>101059945
Figured. Ya I wouldn’t want to take a chance. I was impressed at how well my crapbuds like the chu and wan’er worked on stage though. When I’m in the crowd at church even sitting in the back, the PAs are loud AF. While playing guitar with them in I barely have to push the volume past maybe 75db-ish to get my instrument to be louder than the background.

Why does poorly mastered tracks sound piercing and peaky on my expensive iem/buds wtf my cheap vidos dont do this kind of things

>>101060412
more treble extension and better signal to noise ratio.

I just redeemed the temperament x10 and now have a sudden urge to search trashcans for rotting meat

>>101060561
Please tell me you got them for under $5.

>>101060584
About $12. It's so over for me

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>>101060684
Bro...

>>101060702
I must've missed out on the good coupons

what are the refresh rate, response time, brightness, contrast ratio, motion interpolation, etc... of audio measurements? Magnitude response is like the color accuracy/gamut but that won't tell you the techs

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>>101060851
right here you faggot, hit play and enkoy the music

hit pause and seethe about pos

I'll be going on a trip to Shenzhen in some weeks, anyone knows where can I get cheap HiFi shit there?

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Condom eartips don't slip out my ears. What are some other good eartips?

>>101061333
close enough, welcome back chuzo

>>101061358
I might be using the chu 2 and the condom eartips, but I'm not chuzo.

>>101061333
DDhifi standard tips, xelastics(these are very subjective), tangzu sancais. These are the 3 sets that I have been impressed the most by and I’ve tried a lot. It’s also just a very subjective topic, so many things to take into consideration for tips.

>>101055861
SHMCI C5S

>>101061333
nice triple trips. spinfit w1:extend nozzle insertion, spinfit omni:nozzle already penetrates deep, the dark grey-red stem 7hz h-07 (only med-large size). also just get moar faille condoms

>>101060851
if u want some unironic biting of the bait, then several of those "objective metrics" spill over into your DACAMP source: distortion, native lossless playback ability, jitter, noise floor, dynamic range, etc. then the iems distortion, magnitude response. breakup modes are more relevant in larger scale speakers but still happens at the micro level for iems (micro speakers). then there is FEA finite analysis or w/e that decent companies do during production and engineering of iems to help them achieve desired FR, minimize reflections&resonances, optimize airflow, etc. then at the analog stage of your output, crosstalk and impedance can be factors, albeit minimal.

Do not forget that at the end of the day, it is music itself that is important, for which everything else is merely a conduit to it, an expression of things greater than reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDuOK_RGkbE

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>>101055538
>2nd pair of chinkbuds started losing sound in left ear about a month after receiving
>then started slowly losing sound in both ears
>have to wear them in the wrong ears to hear anything now
is this just an inevitability with this shit or is there anything i can buy that won't self destruct on me within the year?

>>101062366
depends on which pos you're using. most pos i have are still functioning

>>101061665
>i might be chuzo but im not chuzo
thats what a chuzo would say

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*Thieaudio Prestige LTD*

>>101062313
Music is not important. It sounds good on anything. Making pos sound good with synthetic tones is the real challenge.

>>101061858
>SHMCI C5S
is this thing actually any good?

>>101062366
stop sleeping on your pos

>>101061333
Penon liquer are grippy kb 07.
Wizzer 22 for short wide.
Audiosense/ flo gray-green for narrower bore

kill all trannies

huge newbie here. summer is coming and i'm postponing my headphone purchase. looking into iems/pos.
>budget
under 250 eddies preferable
occasionally MP.
>what i have right now
an extremely old pair of logitech G35's. yeah, pls dont bully.
>what do i do with em
daily drivers, really. music, games. so probably clarity and imaging? good hardware can be tuned, shit one cannot, right?

i have my eyes on MP145's. any other suggestions besides the guide on the OP?

>>101062756
>occasionally MP
pls ignore this

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>>101062756
It looks like a fucking mess, extremely bloated midrange and recessed vocals.
Just buy the epz Q1 pro for $25 and don't worry about it. Diminishing returns with iems kicks in at like $20

>>101062756
mp145 has a ridiculously large metal shell. probably one of the most uncomfortable iems you can jump headfirst into, would not be surprised in the least if you don't like the wear comfort. other planars basically have similar performance because they all come from the same OEM. could also look at Tin P1 MAX II, NiceHCK F1 Pro, Kefine Klanar, or Shozy P20. pick whatever looks cool

>>101062486
Yes, very neutral with 8 band custom eq. long battery life, it plays music well has both dac and amp inside. my iem is loud on 2 volume setting. Bad side is album art takes awhile to load, you get what you pay for, software also sucks but for the sound quality, is very good.

>>101062756
and just to add-on,
>any other suggestions
could literally go on and on and on. most things are side-grades of good. what determines "better" from "worse," is your preferences for fitment, sound, aesthetics, etc. all dependent on (You) and considering other people's subjective impressions is a fool's errand. most people can be happy with most options for all the uses you mention. and to anon's point, budget options can be more than satisfactory. i dont care to tell you how much you need to / should spend though. spend w/e you want, if you want a planar, sure

>>101062818
>other planars basically have similar performance because they all come from the same OEM
thanks for the heads up anon. i'm open to dynamics drivers and hybrids too.

>>101062803
>only 25 dollars
wtf. are "premium" iems a scam?

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>>101061993
HOLY

>>101062878
>wtf. are "premium" iems a scam?
no... that guy is just poor and coping

>>101062561
ok i admit i did that with the last ones but i didn't this time
well, since i'm buying new shit anyway may as well do the template
>budget
not willing to spend more than fiddy dollars
>use
just casual music listening and gaming at home
>frequency response
something warm
>the past
i had the faaeal rosemarys, was satisfied with the sound and shape but they were uncomfortable as fuck for some reason, maybe too big? i want something where i can barely feel it in my ears

>>101062963
kefine delci. prob barely around $50 with sales deal with it. or celest wyvern abyss

Just got the Chu 2 and the fit is perfect for me. Any other IEMs for people with tiny ears? I had the Galaxy Buds 2 Pro previously but they just wouldn't stay in.

>>101055538
Advice please..
>Budget
<$100 but flexible if there is something that is great value above that range
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Almost exclusively music from phone/computer
>Frequency response preference (basshead, female vocal, treble sensitive, etc.)
Warm/relaxed, listen to a very wide array of genres and a lot of music that isn't very well recorded so nothing too analytical and resolving
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
I use the hd560s as an all purpose headphone, which have been great for gaming, movies, and general use, but I'm not completely satisfied with them for music. Looking for something more musical that would compliment them.

>>101062999
kefine delci, artti r1, celest wyvern abyss
abyss will be the most relaxed
delci and r1 will have a bit more vocal presence and treble incisiveness, nothing over-the-top

>>101062999
hexa is the only neutral iem under $100. anything else is v-shaped

>>101063030
HE DIDN'T ASK FOR NEUTRAL FUCKHEAD. NOR DID HE ASK FOR GRAINY THIN-WEIGHT TREBLE PEAKS AND LIFELESS NO-BASS FUCKING SHIT ASS SOUND.

>>101062878
If you get the Q1 Pro you should really take advantage of the custom faceplates. I really adore mine.

>>101063036
he said "warm and relaxed". hexa is warm and relaxed. thats what neutral means

>>101063051
>hexa is warm and relaxed
NO, IT'S NOT AT ALL.

>>101063057
imagine being triggered this hard by the most inoffensive iem ever made

I see headpos users talking about how iems lacks in soundstage, but couldn't the same effect be achieve in iems with some FR tweaks? A classical music concert is recorded in X way, how can you hear different soundstages in different headphones with the SAME recording? Isn't that just a headpos simulating larger soundstages by just making some frequencies lower than the others?
I'm very new to this hobby, so i apologize for my lack of knowledge.

>>101063065
depending on the track, your perception of "depth, soundstage, wideness," etc. can be influenced by FR tweaks, yes.

>>101063063
i'm triggered by you rec'ing in the most ass-backwards context and to the wrong person who isn't asking for it.

>>101061993
And then there people who can hear everything from one random graph from uncerain source and unknown measurement methodology.

>>101063063
That's a perfect way to sum up Hexa. Inoffensive: no slam, no sparkle, no techs. Like eating a block of tofu straight from the package.

>>101063106
yeah well he didnt ask for a v-shaped iem did he?

>>101063075
I listen mostly to classical music and i play only single player games, so i like to get immersed when playing/listening.
I don't care about pinpoint accuracy since i don't play competitive games whatsoever.
Although i have never listened to some really good headpos on the soundstage department, i feel like it will work wonderfully on certain tracks and utterly shit on others.

>>101063167
soundstage is a misnomer meme only actually applicable in it's definition to speakers in a room. neither headpos nor iems technically have it even if people attribute certain qualities they perceive to """soundstage"""

>>101063182
That's exactly what i thought

>>101062969
got any recommends with a flathead design instead? never been too fond of silicone ear tips

>>101063134
He said warm and relaxed. Hexa isn't either of those things. Unless you are over 30 and your hearing is just completely gone.

>>101062803
it looks fine graphtard, no need to shit on everything you can't afford

>>101063182
t. HD600 and closed back owner

>>101063273
Check your eyes.

>>101063280
Why would I buy that pos.

>>101063065
That is true.
Openback Headphones inherently have more soundstage than ALL IEMs.

>>101063308
You never heard any headphones or IEMs.

>>101063252
yincrow x6, faaeal iris 2.0 / rosemary are good. unironically apple earpods wired are fine too

>>101063028
how would you compare the delci and r1? >>101063030
I was looking into the hexa for a while and was very close to purchasing but read that it is pretty analytical and leans bright, so I held off on it. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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>>101063288
Looks like Endgame to me

>>101063340
Hexa leans bright and does not respond to EQ so you can't even adjust bass to your preference.

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Simgot peaked with ew100 and it's all been downhill from here. Their inhouse drivers are not as good as LCP. Still a solid option, might get for backup.

>>101063380
I understand it's difficult for you but you must see what's written in >>101063288

>>101063390
Wait, seriously? Is this due to the inverted polarity thing that came up last thread?

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I'm looking for a new Admiral btw

>>101063318 #
But I have... and (yes I own some)

>>101063288
I don't listen with my eyes.

nigga has speakerpos hand distance away bit still hallucinates soundstage

>>101063519
$100 spos has real soundstage but $60000 headpos doesn't. Incredible value.

>>101063340
https://youtu.be/VPaB0eghsHg?si=sO-BIC1LbzxIkiz2&t=900

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>>101063340
Delci will likely fit more people better. Slimmer, more compact shell with arguably better nozzle ergonomics. Doesn't mean R1 is bad, just a bit shallow fitting, generic, and vertically tall shell. Delci has a bit more sub bass rumble, whereas R1 favors some extra lower mids warmth instead of deep sub dive. The uppers are very similar. I would need to do more extensive AB comparison to parse out finer details, but they are largely a similar sound. Good transparency, sweet vocals, balanced with robust bass.

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>>101063340
>>101063574
yeah i mean hexa is pretty laid back and you can see it on the graphs (assuming you can read graphs)

Should I bother getting something more expensive than some $20 overears?

They're just for work to drown out the faggots around me at work, for actual music listening I have HD600

>>101063589
whatever man depends on your disposable income. why not give pos a try

Finna buy me some more wankers fr

>>101063597
What's a pos?

>>101063581
Appreciate the detailed response! I think you’ve sold me on the delcis. Gonna sleep on it and see if I still want to purchase tomorrow.

>>101063380
>stealth revisions
>shills not reviewers
>false marketing regarding price
Hidizs? Not even once.

>>101063560
I up that with $3 earbuds.

>>101063627
peak of sonics

>>101062756
MP145 got revised like a fucking KZ, hidisz is a scummy company, avoid

Is there a chink company out there that can be verified to NOT stealth revise their iems?

>>101063695
Buds can't even play full-range audio.

>>101063910
So? They still usually do better mids, air and stage than iems. Iems do better bass and extension on both ends.

>>101063910
Neither can spos and you need a sub

>>101063930
Just because buds only play mids doesn't mean those mids are good.

>>101063891
actually measurements of most popular chink companies have proven to be pretty consistent, the main point of concern is unit variations due to insufficient QC, but stealth revisions are quite rare

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>blue vidos in
>eq on
>fiio bass boost on
im ready to listen

budchuds getting uppity again

>>101064048
But they are. And I don't give a fuck about your taste in overempathized sibilance regions in pos.

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my buds are like a $1000 speaker experience
literally can't feel them in my ear either

>>101064116
$1000 speakers are worse than $20 pos

>>101055538
tinnitus generator 2024

Iris 2.0 just came. They are like bit sharper, slightly less polished Rosemarys (I'm assuming worse driver quality).
So far for me overall: Rose (unmoded) >> Iris2 >= Yin X6 >(drawer) > EB2S (one trick pony) > Lotus 1.0 >> Vido
Driver quality/refinement I would say Rose > EB2S > X6 > Iris/Snow > Vido
[Like, subscribe, ring that bell]

>>101064268
Don't forget to eq

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>>101064268
I eq'd my snow lotus, it now sounds like my rosemary kek why did i waste money on my rosemary. also pic is the GOAT for me.

>>101064757
And for me tapemoded Rosemary sounds close to Iris lmao. For my taste Rosemary is peak soul (mud) with some tracks.

>>101064116
ordered the vidos, I've heard pretty much every other relevant budget bud.

>>101064757
the girl looks like a traced ai gen

Which is the best looking pudbos tho?

>>101064268
>>101064757
no body mentions the YD30, is everyone sleeping on it? Did I hit chink qc lottery with them?

>>101064116
You should try the apple earpods if you want to experience true heaven

>>101065146
EB2S mindbroke me hard enough to never look at another Nicehck bud.

>>101065203
were they really that bad? I got the openheart ones first and they were shit, got the YD30s after and they are so much better. I don't plan on getting anymore buds until the YD30s break, maybe I should stock up on a few pairs.

>>101065388
For me they have 0 bass. Great for tracks that focus on mids and upper frequencies but as an allrounder - no chance in hell. Definition of specialized set.

>>101065388
>>101065446
Forgot to mention - along all comparisonsvof other NHCK buds I've seen they are listed as the warmer and bassier. So yeah, hard pass.

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they swoon

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why is the chinese so good at (audio) technology?

>>101065467
$400 is 12/512 Poco F6 + Onix on sale territory.

>>101065511
Cheap labor, big market, consoomerism boom.

>>101065514
ironically enough poco's qc situation is almost as bad as coomdrop if not worse

>>101065511
*are

>>101065458
Probably why I like them so much. They are warm but it doesn’t detract from tonality or balance. The openheart ones are way thinner in the low end yet somehow still muddier, they are just not good at all and especially for their price

>>101065597
Can you share some sample tracks that sound good on them?

>>101065511
only 1 is wired and soldered kek.

>>101065560
This model in particular? Don't scare me anon, I've ordered it few days back for a gift.

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My edifier p180 had stopped working and when I went online to buy a replacement I found that they don't sell them anymore. Wat do now? I don't like the shitty new style in ear earphones?

>>101065627
hopefully they addressed the qc issues in never varients, make sure to keep your warrenty

>>101065614
The world we knew - Frank Sinatra (the entire album) burgundy - Suicideboys. I have also listened to liquid dnb and enjoyed thoroughly.

Trying to replace my Jabra Elite 7 pro with something as neutral like it only wired because I keep losing them
Currently looking at the EPZ Q1 Pro, Artti TR1 and the Moondrop May.

New to IEMs so are any of those a good replacement?

>>101065967
Q1 Pro is a good choice, I would avoid the moondrop may because of the DSP aspect and because it’s moondrop

>>101065993
Thanks for the recc

What is the DSP aspect? And what is wrong with moondrop?

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What is better? Narrow bore, normal bore or wide bore. I want new ear tips but I dont know what type should I buy.

>>101066100
from my experience narrow bore
t. untrained listener

>whats dee ass pee
its basically a dac inside the usb-c compartment, which bypassing your phones internal dac which is usually inferior to dsp chips but in and itself brings a whole lot of other issues like audible hissing
>le coom...DROOP?
cumdrip has a history of poor qc like clogglable filters, paint chipping, cables literally disintegrating at warmer temps, etc
this is why it is generally discouraged to redeem their pos

>>101066134
>>101066093
quote fail

>>101066134
what's "qc", mr. spoonfeeder?

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another multi dd iem. is kz going to snap and have a "hold my beer" moment? surely they are watching, maybe this time they'll use different sized drivers.

>>101066134
Thanks for the info, I'll keep that in mind

>>101066152
quality control
better qc=you will less likely get anything that starts to fall apart or stops working after a few days
to put things into perspective my og chu's filters started clogging themselves because of how highly susceptible they are to humidity, I did get them replaced for free but thats pain in the ass honestly

>>101065628
Qian39

>>101056551
>>101056663
>>101057803
Thank you
I still didn't order it because of my indecisive disorder
It seems most of the praise goes to the strong ANC for the price
Researching for more reviews and it seems the other features aren't that highly regarded, many suggesting that W240TN is actually better, but sold out on Ali
Being poor sucks, I wish I could just blind buy without stressing about it

>>101063065
>ow can you hear different soundstages in different headphones with the SAME recording? Isn't that just a headpos simulating larger soundstages by just making some frequencies lower than the others?
no
"soundstage" comes from your brain processing the precise timings of the soundwaves as they enter your ears. this is influenced by the shape of your ears, ear canal and even your head, which is why IEMs lack soundstage, they bypass most of this and as a result your brain doesn't get enough information to distinguish sounds

>>101065511
ngl huge boner for this or the FD15.
>>101065467
what are your thoughts on it anon?

>>101066617
not me in the picrel, so cant comment on it
but from the looks of it feels like a everyday midranger but with better dac than your average midranger

>>101066100
Wide bore opens the sound up a little at the cost of a little treble. Narrow bore is exactly that, more “focused”, usually deeper insertion, more bass and usually bumps up 10khzish treble a bit.
Mind you these are very minor differences usually.

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just got this fake galaxy buds 2 pro, they sound pretty okay despite being Bluetooth chink shit

>>101063065
Sound localization is a complex topic, but in short, both headpos and IEMs will not exhibit noticeable sound localization. Everything is very much in your head.
Headpos have the advantage of being larger with a fit that can influence perception of sound field size. They also have the advantage, in certain cases, pinna contributions that can help with overall HRTF matching, and therefore better timbral accuracy and sound localization. In most cases, headpos and IEMs are the same. Sound localization in stereo recordings can vary, usually through the use of mic positioning or with software and FR tricks. In games, they usually use binaural software mixed with object-based recordings to achieve that effect of distance perception, and are usually using a population average HRTF.

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I can't stop watching tone deaf monk videos
im starting to believe he is slightly mentally retarded
guy is just a living joke about how retarded audiophiles are
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g4Tkmf-BLqE

>>101063065
Headpos imprints one direction on all audio. In tracks with simple mastering some sounds will sound like they're coming from a source close to your ear, like from a mosquito. But when audio has some real spatial info baked in, like in binaural tracks, games, tracks made specifically for IEMs/headphones, IEMs annihilate headphones. Because IEMs don't imprint any direction.

>>101066161
>4dd iem
>Brand that is maybe capable of making something not shit
>Hideous ugly design
Oh boy, can't wait for this to graph amazingly while being heavy and uncomfortable

>>101066161
Kz is going to put 5 drivers but only connect one of them.

>>101067770
good. less points of failure

>>101065560
That was only with the x3, which was ages ago

>>101067515
Bald frauds gonna fraud

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Redeem ASAP.

>>101063065
The very spacious effect inherent to headphones forms due to sound interference which appears because of relatively big drivers size. The sound interference leads to random phase shifts primarily at high frequencies. Roughly speaking headphones have additional distortion effects which create more natural sound at the expense of very frequent and sharp peaks and scoops in frequency response comparing to IEM.

The coupons? Never restocking. But at least I won a dollar discount off the shaking thing. What do I redeem?

>>101068395
>1dollar
you might as well give chang a tip

>>101066420
all tws are pos anon

>>101068131
Translator's note, "very spacious" means 1cm wide on susvara and stax lambdas, 0.5cm wide on hd800s and the same as IEMs on everything else.

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the difference between jm-1 with 5db bass boost vs. the typical 1dd v-shaped tuning
old tuning is more shouty and sibilant. adopt jm-1 if you want hifi

>>101069460
whats with the mid bump?

>>101069460
what are some jm-1 iems? app2, mega5est, dusk, hexa
unfortunately customers are still too dumb to buy iems with good tuning so companies are still churning out that old ief 2020 trash

>>101069460
Jm-1 is extremely lofi. All detail gone. All stereo effects gone. Use jm-1 if you want hd650 experience.

>>101068921
There's no noticeable interference for IEM as there's mostly 3 holes located almost at one tiny area. So there's no additional spacial effect for IEM, only the one recorded or reproduced in the soundtrack itself. So the IEM with EQ having ear gain perfectly compensated at high frequencies sounds subjectivity cleaner and in a "flat" way comparing to well equalised headphones. Additional constant phase shifts for headphones sound in a more natural way as sound interference occurs naturally and everywhere. Human always hears it. It also helps to differentiate the sound sources, but for headphones it is fixed in one state. Any speakers placed in a room create so much of additional sound interference that it's generally more appreciated.

>>101069608
>subjectively
Of course, spacial effect also contains specific frequency response similar to Harman, proper crossfeed. Phase shifts created by interference is just one component.

>>101065573
is
of course it's about Mr. Herbert Zheng

>>101068395
Nothing, stop buying garbage.

>>101068395
there are alternative codes

>>101070251
How am I supposed to criticize other's purchases if I don't already own what they bought? I must keep consuming all the garbage.

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>>101055930
NTA, but checked out the Hiby. It looks good, but what the fuck is this marketing? kek

Where can I redeem blue wankers?

>>101071261
this zoomie player be bussin frfr
>>101071491
blue wankers will only be sold in saarland (aryavarta), according to tanzu at least. If they change they mind then maybe you will see it on alix

>>101067515
He’s entertaining at least. I enjoyed his videos about cheap POS like hola, KZ ZVX, ew100p, etc.

Bros I feel like buying some complete fucking garbage iem right now. Any Truthear products on sale?

>>101069608
>3 holes located almost at one tiny area
But enough about your mom
>>101071640
>He’s entertaining at least
He is entertaining if you enjoy watching a slow in the head Canadian man say stupid things (i do)

>>101071740
Get the softears twilight

>>101071779
No I want garbage

>>101071789
Exactly

>>101071740
gato is pretty (lol) garbage

>>101071843
You mentioned Endgame though? I just want some fucking garbage dude.

>>101067515
Wasn't he working as audio retailer at one point?

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>>101071779
…close enough

>>101065738
That Sinatra is very nice with EB2S, even more with my other flathead, I admit. But that Suicideboys is something I would play with IEM to elevate bass even more. Thanks anon.

>>101071878
post pics or it didn’t happen

>>101072215
thats quite antisemitic of you, anon

>>101071757
Against what common sense are you fucking moms here? No one is accusing your beloved pos here. Quality IEM pos just cheaper than comparable headpos, but good headpos is also adorable with proper EQ.

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good news. finally headpos dot com can be more in consideration to shop from and have decent return policy

>>101072464
I’m still pissed at their absolute dishevelery regarding their damn database. Seriously get your shit together and post searchable 5128/GRAS measurements

>>101064268
I almost got disappointed in my eb2s pros because they were muddy but it was a fit issue as I tried to shove them in like pos, also it was my first flathead
Rolling for the right foams and very shallow and loose fit which causes the mud to leak and dissipate was the answer

I will get the ev2s just because it looks cool as compared to other budpos

>>101069460
Jm1 is just another attempt of headpos show to sabotage IEMs. They tried with 5128, they tried with their own 5128 target and now this. Harman with slightly less 5k is still undisputed champion.

>>101067515
>im starting to believe he is slightly mentally retarded
no shit
>40+ dude
>shit hearing because of age
>claims cables make a huge difference
>claims he can tell DAC chips apart
>shills shills shills
imagine wasting your life watching this shit

>>101072759
Although there is a class of people that do need this much 5kHz. Maybe even more.

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>1DD generic tuning
>$160
>made in romania
DOA?

>>101072822
Problem with shartman are shartman retards jerking off to that one single line tucked bass shelf average despite their own research clearly showing variation among the audience
5khz is already addressed in the 2024 beta on 5128, maybe some more treble extension is also nice but it depends on the individual hearing as well

>>101072939
It’s better than their normal dogcrap and much cheaper to boot but they’re playing in a hyper competitive market…
They’ll sell some units simply because they’re meze and they’re good at marketing. I mean it’s literally not a bad IEM if it was $30-$50 it’d probably be a top rec.

>>101072978
>that one single line tucked bass shelf average despite their own research clearly showing variation among the audience
The frequency and the level of the shelf was variable but a slope universally tanked the score when compared to a shelf.
>5khz is already addressed in the 2024 beta on 5128,
Beta scored worse than 2019 so I wouldn't worry about it for now.

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>>101072978
my biggest issue with shartman retards is how they arrived at the IE model being more shouty in the treble than OE with basically fuck all real evidence or testing. On a slightly unrelated note, this is why Banbeucmas was basically a genius. He combined all the positive aspects of Harman in his target curve with basically none of the negatives
>banbeuc bass shelf accounts for IEM lower mid bleed off
>banbeuc has less shouty mids than harman IE almost matching OE identically in the 4-8khz region.
>he even added some extra upper treble with not as much of a dip closely simulating diffuse field rolloff slope

If you really want to nitpick you can say his 1.5khz is boosted but really?…who gives a crap.

>>101073065
How many degrees of freedom of the curve were variable?
>Beta scored worse than 2019
Show me the statistics.

>>101072939
Wanted to say you normalized the graph wrong but then I saw the target and understood why you normalized it wrong.

>>101073146
>>101073065
My issue with simply stating
>”hurr durr our curve scored highestzzz” is…how long and how loud are the listening sessions?
I have no doubt that Harman 2019ie on the surface level is very impressive with a big wow factor…but how quickly will that get on the “average listener” or even a trained listener’s nerves?
how close does that sound to real life? how colored is it?
none of this is accounted for in their “research” it’s all just a case of who has the shiniest balls to suck off before you realize you’re sucking on a pair of thin, shouty, unnatural balls

>>101073226
Real life sounds bright af so they nailed that part.

Either way I would be very cautious with shartman pushing their agenda and about their data, like their "there is no price/performance ratio in headpos" statement showing very low correlation.
But they also include esoteric tuning boomer headpos worth a few kilobucks with abyssmal scores which understandably skews the results in the way they want to, limiting it to 500$ would show other results

>>101072939
It looks like absolute endgame, especially with it coming with a usb-c dac and them adopting the 2-pin connectivity. I am pretty biased though because I've listened to the 109 Pro before and really liked the sound of it.

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>>101073146
Anon is dumb. N=13 and they are statistically tied.

>>101073074
Pre obsoleted by precog's GOD target

>>101073359
Literal joke target. Even assuming he genuinely liked u12t other IEMs won't sound like that with this target since it's all BA pos.

>>101073340
>N=13 and they are statistically tied.
Sigh... Okaaay let me get this straight:
Which statistical test was used? Does it follow gaussian distribution? Can you show me the actual data points to see the distribution? What do the error bars show - means, mode or median? Are the error bars SD or SEM? Why are they identical in all groups in cluster 1 and 2?

>>101073393
his is the only target that was crafted with ears and not eyes

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>>101073359
>someone genuinely thought it was a good idea to literally copypasta a U12t without even smoothing the presence hole
i-its not a bug it’s a feature

>>101073411
>crafted
Anon...

>>101073424
He is bold. Unapologetic. Unlike these other shitheads cucking to big soience aka shartman. Precog is a true visionary.

>>101056854
>Not much better sounding than the complimentary earplugs you get on an airplane flight. Little bass, hissing, scratchy treble that overwhelms vocals.
The worst thing is how smeared the loud treble is... no definition. No sound stage.

>I replaced the included tips with foam ear tips and the audio quality went up quite a bit ! Still a bit sibulent and a little hollow in the vocals, but much more enjoyable overall.

This is a review i found on amazon.

>>101074004
>same as delta free in ears
nigga what. This person either had the shittiest seal ever or they’ve never heard actual airline phones. I have a freaking pair. They’re hilariously bad. I’ll actually take them to work tomorrow to have a giggle. Unironically makes $20 wankers sound like you’ve died and gone to heaven by comparison.
If cheap POS is at about 90% of available sound quality then freebuds are no joke at about 15-20%

>>101073074
barbecue target is pretty much a DF with harmanish room curve

>>101074166
what is the room curve and what does it suggests as opposed to shartman?

>>101074216
bass + tilt
shartman also has shout which DF lacks

>>101074358
is the tilt towards treble or backward?

>>101074385
clockwise, making the sound darker

>>101066093
DSP is digital signal processing. Moondrop is making you rely on an app for the may to sound good. DSP is basically just EQ which you can do for free. So they sell you an IEM that sounds mid and then EQ it and sell it to you as some type of novelty.

People hate moondrop because they are a massive company riddled with QC issues that they could easily avoid but they don’t.

>>101074572
this, the iron rule is that if a pos sounds bad on the 3.5mm input, it's a shitty pos, simple as that

>>101072138
You’re welcome, I do agree with you about Burgundy, the YD30s have bass but you really miss out on the deep rumble and fullness in the low end that an IEM will give you

new bread >>101075025