Moondropped Uoh ToT EditionHow to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference (basshead, female vocal, treble sensitive, etc.)>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio, Bloom Audio, MusicTeck, Elise Audio (UK)>Shopping Guide (IEMs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide>Frequency Response Graph Toolsquig.link>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tangzu Wan'er S.G (mild V) - $20• EPZ Q1 Pro (Harman) - $35• TRN Conch (bright V) - $35• Simgot EA500LM (bright V) - $90>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim Zero (bright neutral) - $15• Final E500 (dark) - $25• Tanchjim One DSP (neutral) - $30>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (warm) - $5• RY4S 32Ω mmcx Plus (V-shape) - $10• Yincrow X6 (warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• Moondrop Dawn Pro - $50• Tanchjim Space - $90• Tempotec Sonata BHD Pro - $90• Qudelix 5K - $110>PMPs:• Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120• Shanling M0 Pro - $130• HiBy M300 - $200• Hidizs AP80 Pro-X - $200• Tempotec V3 - $200Previous thread: >>101209718
>>101229333>I use upwards of like 2-3 narrow filters to reduce treble peaks and that's about it.That's enough to fix few the most distinguished peaks and scoops to generally improve the perceived FR. But to completely compensate the whole ear gain that's not enough. At the other hand it all depends on the desire to bother about.>The dude using 25 peak filters could easily be using less than 8 if he knew what was actually a peak.You're generally right. The amount of peaking filters could be strongly reduced using optimization algorithms. But when you're "drawing" the curve using sine sweep audio reference you have to find a general match for its form. The only way to do that is to create plenty of different filters and only then optionally optimize general curve shape.
Any advice on ear tips for these Spacetravels? Literally none of the tips I own fit on them without being smooshed against the body. Do they need a specific size?
>>101229472Moondropped!
Which slider do I move for the female poison again?
>>1012297844kHz
APPLE GIVE ME WAVELET ON IOS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!
you motherfuckers why did you stop shilling for thuthears? my gate didn't even arrive yet
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000868694813.htmlAre foam tips like these worth buying or are they complete dogshit that I'll throw away immediately?The Wyvern Abyss (with the SML Divinus Velvet card) comes to 26.12€ and if I go up to 29€, I get 3€ off due to the choice day coupons, so I can effectively spend 3€ for free and I'm not sure what to get.
>>101229878New FOTM dropped
Give it to me straight and fuck the recs in the OP What are the best IEMs currently?
>>101229973
>>101229973fox iems
>>101229878Mine did, and they ARE 20 dollar pos endgame. Albeit they're not the most comfortable cheap pos out there. Even my zero 2 are more comfortable for me at least.
>>101229906They're more comfortable than silicone but they aren't very durable.
>>101229918Like they were made for eachother
>>101230107>overshot foreskin
>>101229973Truthear Nova™.
>>101230057It's for a trip, so I don't really need them to last more than two weeks.Are there any that are noticeably better in a similar price range (below 5$) or will they all be pretty much identical? Also fuck I just realized they're for smaller nozzles than the Wyvern Abyss so I need to find others regardless, since I think I read they're 6mm and this says it's for 4.5-5mm
>>101229551>You're generally right. The amount of peaking filters could be strongly reduced using optimization algorithms. But when you're "drawing" the curve using sine sweep audio reference you have to find a general match for its form. The only way to do that is to create plenty of different filters and only then optionally optimize general curve shape.Thag will break stream isolation.
>>101230213I'm not sure what are you on about. The outcoming vdc file for Viper4Android essentially contains points coordinates and has nothing to do with parsing of each individual kind of filter separately. The similar thing is going to Equalizer APO preset at the time of processing.
>>101229973Iems that have godlike comfy shells like Kiwi Ears, Kinera Celest, Thieaudio, Aful, TKZK, etc.
>>101230199if you generally wear M size tips, look up Whizzer MM100 for foams. that nozzle size barely matters, most tips can stretch over most nozzles. other cheap silicone tip packs: Audiosense S400, 7Hz H-07, TRN T-Ear
>>101229472>be linux>married man with children>sees "children" in any anime picture>the "child" in question almost has hands as big as his when you compare to her holding the phonewestoid brainrot lol
>>101230769Sir, a woman is a child until she turns 25.
>>101230797urhm akshully its 35 their brains dont fully develop till then
>>101230128Anmericans not need apply
>>101230320I just export impulse responses directly from REW and they just work in jamesdsp/viper/APO. I can't be arsed to re-type the coefficients into a different program. I can even EQ left and right channels separately like that.
>>101229472what a retard, that's a phone, not a child
>>1012307698/10 times someone says that it's an actual pedo, 9/10 times if he's rich. The rest are just trolling.
still using my wankeranything worth upgrading to? or should i just keep using the wanker
>>101221384>Thieaudio GhostSub bass roll-off, warm midrange, treble emphasis pushing details. Wearing comfort is OK for headpos. Some plastic creakieness but build feels sturdy enough given the price. Includes zip carry case and decent cable. 6/10>EDA Balanced TrioI have multiple EDA Balanced from different orders. One day I'll measure to see if they differ. Drivers are patina'd lol. Balanced sounds fine. 5/10>Tripowin PiccoloCheap smoothed over warm sound, veiled and uneven tuning. 3/10>Tripowin KailuaComplaints regarding fit are valid, N5005-tier nozzle that refuses to seal stable. Final or Spinfit tips help. As I adjust it in ear, the drivers cut in and out from the venting. Sounds fine for a balanced V-shape. 5/10
>>101230698Got a link? Heard about them before but ali doesn't give me any results
>>101231154>Tripowin RhombusLeast pos Tripowin. Got it mostly for the looks, cool design reminiscent of KATO and OH10. Feels nice and fits well. Slow DD and single BA clash resulting in blatant timbre discrepancy. Besides that, bass dive is solid and no killer peaks. Lacks UHF extension and air. 300 mesh on nozzle better tames upper mids. Funny Tripowin stock cables are shit from audiofool perspective but are basically the same discrete thin type included with kilobuck "professional" pos. 6/10>Raptgo BridgePleasant surprise. Tactile bass, solid techs, engaging and musical across genres. Euphonic female vocals with well-managed sibilance. Cable lacks earhooks which I don't like, but once they're in it's fine. Fits good. Default nozzle is good, switches 00. No way to differentiate "silver" or "black" nozzles as far as I can tell. The nozzles and switches don't make huge differences anyways. 8/10>Onix Alpha Xl1Intuitive menus and funcitonality. Build is sexy. Unit gets slightly warm, not hot. Sound impressions on NOS filter: full bodied and rich. Haven't spent time on other filters.Tested with sensitive multi-drivers like Tea2, Orchestra Lite, Bravery AE, background noise floor is great. Imperceptable via 3.5mm, minimal and non-intrusive via 4.4mm. Both 3.5mm and 4.4mm have a short low volume pop & hiss delayed ~1 sec after inserting plug. It is acceptable for me. Although 100% pop-free would be ideal, it's not a disturbing prolonged noise, it's small. There is no noise when disconnecting plugs. There is no noise or hiccup when I play, pause, or skip tracks. 8/10
>>101231164https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805187581254.html
The truthear gate is the most obvious and dramatic example of an iem being designed to look cheap and feel uncomfortable so it doesn't compete with truthears more expensive products.
>>101229973whatever makes you happy anon :)
PRESENTING:200 dorravs5 dorraThe IEM market is a joke.
>>101231224Fuck off tyvan.
>>101228654bumpIt's fucking with my actual physiological audio balance at the end of the day.
>>101231184tyty
>>101231293It's the cloth filters. You may try replacing them but might as well just get new IEMs, either way you'll need to order from ali again.
rate targt.
>>101231224i hope my shit arrives today squeek
>>101231349
>>1012297845kHz Q=1Well, try both and hear the timbre for yourself.
>>101231192truthear doesnt have any expensive products
>2.1$ for a pair of Abyss Wyverns & some foam Whizzer MM100 tipsGod I love this euro cup thing
>>101231154>>101231165Nice pos haul bro>>101231224Massive pos, wow
>>101231154>>101231165Good posts anon, how's the latency on the Onix dac, it is noticeable when gaming?
>>101229621Spinfit Superfine or Spinfit Omni will probably work. They aren't "cheap" but oh well. Yeah it's just a physical dimension thing, good chunk of TWS need shorter / smaller tips to fit in the case.
>>101231334fuck, that might indeed be it, there's some kind of scratch on itShould I just get tangzu waners again, or is there a significant upgrade for not much more?
>>101230797woman is a child entire life. All demands, no responsibility,
>>101231494I've never encountered significant latency with any wired DAC. Dunno if some people are more acutely aware, but I have a 240Hz monitor, play FPS and rhythm games, and have never felt latency via wired chain.
>>101231737>is there a significant upgradeMaybe in the fit. Its tuning is still unique. And if you EQ it doesn't matter anyway.
>>101231165You'll need to significantly reduce your budget if you want something without hiss.
>>101231165>Onix Alpha Xl1What's your previous dac/amp?
>>101231785how should i eq my wankers
>>101231406Gambling is awesome!
>>101231988wait what...how
>>101231988share!
>>101229472Need a TWS for 60 dollars at most.I'm planning on using it for listening to music.I've owned Sony Mh755, CCA CRA, 7hz Salnotes Zero and Moondrop Space Travel in the past and between them Sony Mh755 was my favorite.
>>101232161>>101232166Football gambling game on Aliexpress, betting soccer balls.
omg just shook my phone i won 9 million dolarsthank you chang
>>101232189thats equivalent to approximately 9 amerishart burgers, gweilo
>>101232169check scarbir or rtingsEQ the space travel or look into other chink brands redmi or soundpeats
>>101232169Soundcore A40 or Liberty 4 NC on sale.
>>101231384I hope it's rat poison.
>>101231405he said more expensive
*sqeak*
>>101232632nope just more cheese
Rip chopin..
>>101232903Rip tyvan. Choked on my dick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-KPH_sGDgnew schizo episode
>>101232963Become less brown and maybe I'll care. Maybe.
>>101232963>return of the king (etymotic) shut the fuck up faggot
>>101232963>neutral tuning>king of anything
>>101233176Those are some delicious 2DDs iykwim
>>101233176>DF>neutral
Thoughts on Sennheiser IE200?
>>101233236With cable mod and nozzle mod it's almost as good as $5 chink IEMs.
>>101231812Desktop: FiiO K7, Tempotec March IIIPortable: Hidizs AP80 Pro-X, Moondrop Dawn 4.4, Tempotec Sonata BHD Pro, 7Hz 71, Apple Dongle, a few chink CX31993
>>101233251Based source enjoyer
>>101232166>>101232161>they didn't gambleI could have waited until today's second game and tomorrow's games ended to buy this, but I was afraid of them going out of stock or the listing vanishing or something so I just bought it before I got two bucks moreI'm likely getting more money from this game since I bet on a single goal & it's 0-0 at 75 min
Damn that's how the Miad 01 performs? Looks like used LG phone + UAPP is still the goat.
>>101233251what's your choice on the portable ones?
>>101231011I didn't quite get how to create an impulse response wav file which can be used to create the one containing proper EQ preset using Equalizer APO's Benchmark.exe . Even after creating a wav file using Benchmark.exe it creates broken preset after merging with EQ. The same goes to REW, I don't know where I can find an impulse response wav file for it.
>>101233492To make an impulse response in REW:EQ window -> create your EQ -> Filter tasks -> generate measurement from filters -> main window -> File -> export -> export impulse response as wav. Optional: trim the impulse in audacity(I leave 3 samples before the main peak in the beginning and 100ms at the end) and bake in the preamp with the Amplify filter. With two-channel impulses it's not optional because REW will create them with different gains. Also I recommend saving the EQ itself in the REW format for future editing.To see what the impulse does(works with any impulse) import the FR and the impulse -> all SPL tab -> actions -> trace arithmetic -> A*B
If we didn't need by-ear filters we could just generate the impulse automatically by diving the target by the FR. We can still salvage this impulse by EQing the impulse itself but designing the entire EQ from scratch is not a big deal honestly.
>>101233658>>101233752Ok, I got it regarding to REW, You have to import a flat FR curve to REW firstly, then make an EQ preset and only then do an attempt of exporting impulse response wav file. It's just REW keeps crashing instantly whenever I open EQ window without any presets loaded. Thanks for explanation anyway.
>>101233791I just import the FR of my IEMs.
>>101229973under $100? Simgot LM from the recs for fun technical sound and Truthear Hexa, formerly in the recs, for neutral DF+RC/JM1 tuning for more critical listening
>>101233826That's an option. But you won't find ear gain differences without applying your filter WAV file every time you change something. You have to click billion times just to export equalization into wav file and then apply this to your system wide equalizer.
>>101233251What's the use case in having so many sources, do these dacs really sound different?
>>101233949You can design everything interactively in Peace and then use REW to generate the final result. REW uses some binary format to store EQs so you'll have to re-type everything, but maybe there is some kind of APO to REW converter, haven't checked. I start by fixing just the treble in Peace, re-type those filters in REW, design the rest of the EQ there, generate the first impulse, listen and make adjustments, generate the final impulse.
Even the pos that you measured yourself will need adjustments. That is the nature of the beast.
I have old salnotes iems, i think those are "original 7hz ones" or something like that. Due to age the glue went rip and turns out they had some foam-like shit in sound channel covered by some sort of protective layer. I tried glueing it back but everything sounds muffled as fuck and without it entirely everything sounds weird as fuck. Anyone knows what this foam shit is and if i can replace it with something so they stop sounding weird?inb4 buy new iems - i did but i would like to not throw away working stuff if it's not completely broken
>>101234202pic?
>>101234234of exactly what
>>101233427>what's your choice on the portable ones?Onix Alpha and Dawn 4.4. Dawn lacks functionality and doesn't match with black aesthetics. Most of them are fine and do the job.>>101233991>What's the use case in having so many sourcesFeatures and functionality I want. Onix has a display screen, multi-function button, independent volume, good driving power, on-the-fly adjustment, etc. in one package. K7 has a volume knob and sits on my desk.>do these dacs really sound different?At the micro level, yes I perceive differences. Does it really matter? No. $10 dongles play audio just fine.
>>101234136REW has restricted amount of filters. That's not enough for me. Just to design exact form of treble I need more than 20 peaking filters. Too bad. But the general idea of exporting EQ presets as impulse response is great though.
He’s lost it.https://youtu.be/-n-KPH_sGDg?si=dWt0A9Z26w0coKzM
>>101231494>>>/b/920686937>>101229472>>>/b/920695702>>>/b/920698441>>101233286>>>/b/920661928That is a child...
>>101234458Are you blind? It's a drawing.
>>101234460A drawing of what?
>>101234450If you need over 20 filters(you don't) you can just combine impulses.
>>101234499Fine then. Thanks. I need over 20 filters solely do to the reason I'm not a robot and can't calculate the exact parameters of filters needed to reduce their amount to get exactly the same result.
>>101234470of my dick and balls
What headphones/headset should I buy for gaming?I wear glasses and my head is probably slightly larger than average for a male. Maybe even slightly larger than slightly larger. For that reason I would lean towards getting IEM's, specifically kiwi ears orchestra lite based on a recommendation from art is war youtube channel, though I have concerns about "pressure" and possible damage to my ears. I am open to having to buy a separate mic.Would be nice to just get a headset with a mic but it doesn't seem like there are any good options. DROP + EPOS PC38X is suppose to be good but amazon only has the yellow options which I heard has a tighter fit then the black ones.I have also been looking at the beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro paired with a iFi Audio ZEN Air DAC but I am concerned about the headphones fitting too tight. Would be really nice to just walk into best buy and get a gaming headset off the shelf but apparently they're all a scam and you're massively overpaying for shit audio. Any suggestions? For reference I currently use an old Viper headset which fits me very comfortably but even I can tell the audio could be much better.
>>101234564Maybe it's because you use VDC and its filters don't produce the same result as APO.
>>101234639Honestly any IEMs will work for gaming if you find some that fit you. There are IEMs with boom mics like celest wyvern pro, the entire set will cost the same as getting a mic by itself. If you're lucky you can stop right here, if not you can use its cable with some other IEMs.
>>101230769Married men always like to show off that they're married, had sex and have kids.
>buy azla asmr eartips for the silicon mesh filter>actually makes asmr sound betterwtf. using aful p5 btw
i'm gonna give iems their last chance. if these TRN conch have the same crap quality build as the salnotes and the tanchjim i'm over it. i'm tired of the stiff chink cables and the shitty tips. the stupid salnotes tips gave me an allergic reaction
>>101234595in what
>>101234697seems too good to be true. ears and mic for 30 bucks? I thought I was going to have to spend hundreds of dollars.
>>101234746Conch is still one of the best value propositions in the whole market
>>101234748ToT
>>101234746>rates IEMs by the replaceable parts of the IEMs
>>101234815they fail to realize that techs aren't replaceable KEK
>Letshuoer SoloistGreat 1DD. Smol shell, big sound. Fits good. I'd wager this and Artti R2 share nearly identical shell. Stock cable is memory-kink'd cloth-covered crap. Organic timbre, good depth and layering. Deep sub bass extension, textured mid bass, rich mids, intimate forward female vocals, present treble with natural roll-off. Serious female poison, beautiful timbre even at elevated amplitude. No brittle, harsh, or metallic nature. Sounds good stock but applied 300 mesh on nozzle and the lower energy is better. 8/10>XINHS A04 7N OCC + Graphene cableLooks dope, ideal thickness to still handle well.
>>101234458Wrong, that is kani.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDsoaIhn2E
>>101234793>cunny: ToT>cunny (japanese): TOT
>>101234838>Soloist>15dB of eargain centered at 4khzkeep up the impressions bro, i love them
>>101234639>headposWrong neighborhood friend.>DT 990 ProTinnitus cannon. >iFi Audio ZEN Air DACYou probably don't need it.>iemsGaming is not demanding of high-quality gear. This comes from a gamer and consumer of lots of gear.>kiwi ears orchestra lite>concerns about "pressure"If pressure build-up is a concern, absolutely do not get Orchestra Lite (also don't listen to random jewtuber recs). It is a sealed BA unit with no venting, whereas most hybrids or single dynamic drivers have venting. Can start out with something simple like Kefine Delci or like other anon mentioned Celest Wyvern Pro is an option that includes a nifty boom mic cable. I'd just get Delci and a separate USB mic.
>>101234650I'm aware that DDCToolbox and APO produce different results for the same present. I even found the way how to compare them. You just export txt file from DDCToolbox and open it using APO. The actual reason why I need so many filters is that I'm trying to even out everything higher than 3 kHz with slight slow decay using sine sweep. I'm also aware that there's no actual need of this. You can't hear slight variations of treble by listening music but overall tonality. I'm just wondering all the time what my ear gain looks like at the moment.
EQNON, FREE US FROM SAMSARA
>>101234944Remember to EQ.
>>101234912so are the kefine delci significantly better audio than the celest wyrven pro? the difference would have to be significant to outweigh not having a mic. and thanks for the input
>>101234996Delci will have more bass and bit crisper highs. If that's what you want rather than a flatter, smoother sound, then it's "better."
EQ to remember
>>101234760IEM gear prices are wack. You can get a $10 dongle that doesn't hiss and a $100 dongle that does. Basically around 2019 some chink companies figured out they can measure their shit and the quality rose to insane levels while the others kept on releasing junk. So now there's a huge disconnect between price and quality, some might even say the more you pay the worse stuff you get.
>>101235004I don't know what I want when it comes to sound. I barely recognize what you people are saying as english. but "flatter" doesn't sound good. "smoother" sounds goods. I don't fucking know. what do you think will be better for a game like hell let loose? i want more immersion into the battle but i'd also like to spot footsteps and gunfire direction with more ease and precision
>>10122947250> what do i getI read the abyss is pretty goodor do i just go safe with the zero red
>>101235028this is fucking crazy. glad someone linked me to this thread. i'm definitely going with IEM's now. do i need a dongle for gaming? also, wtf is the dongle?
>>101235030I personally like more bass in games. In the context of beyerdynamic-esque sound that many gaymers like, the Delci would be the better option. Wyvern can be perceived as "low-res" to noobs who are conditioned by typical consumer V-shaped gear
>>101235066>Wyvern can be perceived as "low-res" to noobs who are conditioned by typical consumer V-shaped gearis this refrencing the flatter and smoother sound you alluded to earlier? is v-shaped gear talking about more range in the audio?
>>101235048either are fine. red arguably has worse wearing ergonomics. can try reds from amazon if you want so you have ez return.if you go wyvern abyss then get this listing with the divinus velvet pack for only a few bucks more, worth it>https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807001181431.html
>>101235053Dongle is basically an external soundcard. Developed for phones without 3.5 first they're still useful if your PC's 3.5 is noisy. If you want one you'll have to make sure it supports mic input.
>>101235048Kefine Delci on saleendgame fit
>>101235135>Kefine Delci on salelink?
>>101234470irrelevant, if it doesn't exist you can't hurt it
>>101235098>is this refrencing the flatter and smoother sound you alluded to earlier? Yes.>is v-shaped gear talking about more range in the audio?Not necessarily range, but the emphasis put in particular regions of sound. "Dynamic," and "exciting," often go hand-in-hand with more V-shaped sound signatures that boost bass and treble. Gear that is less V-shaped can be perceived as "flat," or "boring," if the listener does not appreciate lower bass quantity and neutral mid-range.
>>101235167don't fucking know bought it for $49 last sale taxes included AND a set of tri clarion
>>101235194going to go with your rec, definitely sounds like it will be more immersive with artillery rounds popping off, explosions, and gunfire. will just have to bite the bullet and get a separate mic
HOLY FUCKING SHIT FINALLY
is this guy's advice any good
>>101235256FYI sales price usually goes down to ~$57 like here>https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806499268563.htmlAmazon listing has 20% off the MSRP (so ~$60 price) if you want to simply order from Amazon.
>>101235305>Amazon listing has 20% off the MSRP (so ~$60 price) if you want to simply order from Amazon.yeah I have that pulled up right now. think I might just pay the extra 15 bucks for 2 day shipping. I'm hyped as fuck for good quality audio. thanks for all the advice fren
>>101235279No, ignore any sound quality review part. He has no actual knowledge of audio.Only watch reviews for build quality, fit, and general use descriptions. Any sound quality impressions should be obtained from FR graphs.
>>101235279>QKZ HBB being objectively better than Zero 2uhhhhh, no.
>>10123487111.5dB of ear gain peaking at 3.5kHz with 500 mesh on nozzle. Sound great even with higher levels. You wouldn't understand the female poison gweilo.
>>101235671i...i kneel...
does anyone get sub-bass desensitation in IEMs? I listen for like an hour and I basically can't hear any subbass after i take like a break with headphones or somethign and put them back on and the sub-bass is super loud
It's been around 4 days since I received the Temperament X10. Time for blogposts.Unboxing:The packaging and unboxing experience were a pleasant surprise. The included accessories were also great (very soft pouch, full and donut foams in both white and black, and removable ear hooks) and the earbuds themselves are well made. The cable is a standout, and is among the best cables for earbuds with non-removable cables. Great handling with minimal memory (mostly in the thicker bottom half strand) and good hardware. My only complaint is with the earbuds; while made of lightweight metal, the lack of stem made it a bit harder to position and angle them in my ear. There is also a lack of L/R indicators which was confusing at first (the right one has the logo on the top). Overall very satisfied with the overall product and what it comes with.First impressions:After getting everything right in terms of placement, the first thing I notice is how warm it is. Very warm. Subbass is about average for earbuds, but there is a lot of midbass, somewhere in the 150-400 hz range. There's also a lack of energy and detail in a lot of vocals, which I attributed to the 3-10 khz range. Overall, the sound signature is definitely tilted clockwise, and while it is about as far as you can get from a harsh and unpleasant sound signature, it is a bit too warm and veiled for my taste.
>>101231293Might be the cable. Try swapping sides (left bud on right connector) or a different cable entirely. I got a cable last month that gets quieter and eventually cuts out completely on one side until I bend it a certain way.
>>101235854Yeah I know what you mean. Has to do with our ability to hear sub bass. In a room or car with subwoofers we feel it in our whole body, whereas with IEMs we are left to perceive loudness with inner ear. Humans are not reliable measurement tools, and sub bass is often mixed to be in the background of a track anyways, not be the dominant sound. IEMs can take a lot of sub bass and still sound relatively normal unless a track really brings it out. And simple adaptation, "brain burn-in."
Any recommended ear tips for the salnotes 7hz zero v1? I can buy some spinfit w1 from Amazon for $9
>>101235937cool impressions budbro. kinda sounds like a pass as far as sound. i like warm stuff but yeah a certain balance needs to be struck with enough top end energy to overcome mid bass
>>101236476will probably work well but it's not easy to predict correct size. wish you best of luck picking right size. can also try other cheap packs from Aliexpress like Audiosense S400 or 7Hz H-07 where you could get all-sizes packs of both for about the same price as a single pair of W1s
>>101235671>500 mesh literally smooths out the treble in every conceivable waywhy tf does KZ not do this?
>>101235937Now for what you've been hopefully waiting for, here is the measurement of the earbud itself as I usually do it. As per usual, the main driver resonance is situated around 3 khz, in this case being exactly on it, as well as other resonances around 6-7 khz. The bass levels are also noticeably higher than some earbuds; even with the least amount of seal, the bass to mids transition is very much tilted and not flat as is commonly seen on other earbuds.The measurements only show sealing changes and very broad FR, as the method I'm using doesn't account for angle, positioning, etc. I do however think that most of my observations do correlate decently well with the FR.
>>101236779And here is the distortion profile for the X10 at 96dB +/- 5dB. The noise floor was moderate; below 500 hz and above 2 khz, it is an order of magnitude lower. I didn't post these for my previous earbud posts (and I don't plan on continuing) but I figured some of you might be interested. As expected, distortion is mostly concentrated in the bass region as the driver has to compensate for leakage. There's also a spike at 6-7 khz which might correspond to the weird stuff happening in the FR.
>>101236499Yeah, I'm not super fond of its stock tuning. I do think it's somewhat easy to fix, but I wouldn't get this again for the price it's currently going at.I'll post another series of similar posts for the YDX if I ever get the time, but that one seems to be a better value overall.
This is not the best place to ask this question, but since it's music related:>have mpv installed on ubuntu server laptop>have MALP installed on android device>everything almost works out, MALP shows me the music/albums on my server (with album art)But I can't hear the audio when I hit play. The seek is moving, just no audio. Yes, I know that I have to set up an audio output, but what's an audio output for an Android phone? I tried SLES and ALSA. Not working.
>>101236891I meant to say that I have MPD (music player daemon) installed on the ubuntu server
What is the cheapest option with similar tuning to tea 2 so I can wear them as beaters for running?
>>101237009EQ
>>101237093/discussion
did any of you get it
>>101237575>>101233343Performs the same as an Apple dongle.
hey guys, new to these kinds of threads but i'm a music producer that just got a new thinkpad and has no prior experience with in-ears besides airpod pros that i want to give to my family member and stop using foreveri currently mix on regular audiotechnica ath-m50x's, budget isn't a concern to me but really i'm just looking for general reccs on best in slot in ears for producing (specifically things that are more bass and low-end heavy)
Bwos, I think they stealth retuned the Hydro. Wtf is that lower-mids.
good for the price?https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005255963252.html
>>101237827k...z'd!>>101237828no.
>>101237867wheres the bad in this fr
>>101237871from 20hz-20khz
>>101237867>no.why
>>101237718>i currently mix on regular audiotechnica ath-m50xholy fuck>general reccs on best in slot in ears for producing (specifically things that are more bass and low-end heavy)just get whatever is bassy/bassy-neutral in the rentry guide, and use good reference tracks bro
>>101237878undampened rollercoaster of peaks
>>101237718Simgot Supermix4, Pula PA02 / CKLVX D41, Thieaudio Hype4I'm pretty sure all can be ordered from Amazon. Get whatever looks aesthetically cool to you and try it out. Fit comfort is important, so if that or the sound doesn't work for you, return it and try something else.
>>101237575>Fails as a $400 phone and fails as a $400 dap>memedropAnd why would I be interested in it?
>>101237827PK 280Hz 8dB Q0.9>>101237867LSQ 40Hz –15dB Q0.3PK 250Hz –6dB Q0.6
>>101238073Anon, CCA Hydro is a $120 pos. Why would you buy >$20 pos if you're going to EQ it anyway?
>>101238085Techs = $$$
>>101234458>suddenly
>>101238061The child. That's why people buy moondrop.
>>101238117I have pixiv, boorus and panda for that.
Where can I buy a replacement cable for the Crinacle Zero 2? I don't even know how they are called technically. Do random electronics stores carry them?
Why do you guys stick pieces of shit in your ear?Isn't sticking feces in the ear an infection risk?
>>1012367791 eabud tons of tuning, very economical.
>>101238137I use a cheap trn 4.4 mm cable that I bought in ali with my zero 2. Get whatever brand you like and buy the 2 pin 0.78 mm version of it. It should look something like this.
>>101238141It's only a piece of shit when someone else buys it. Everything I've bought is top tier.
I push/readjust my iems into my ear where the cable attaches to the iem. However, this makes the iems randomly fucking disconnect from the cable sometimes, which I'm not even sure how the fuck it's happening when I'm pushing IN but whatever. How can I stop this? Are the two prong connectors just garbage? I normally twist my IEMS in by grabbing onto the cable, I genuinely don't know how to actually put them in my ears without doing it that way
>>101238294some connections can loosen over time. it's a bad mix between thin pins and loose slot. i'd get new stuff. also stop adjusting them by the cable, use the shell body
>>1012381370.78mm 2-pin cable. no, unfortunately average electronics store don't carry them
>>101236534Do you think the price of the W1 is worth it?
>>101238141What the fuck is wrong with her eyes. Is this the eyes of someone who spent 10 years of their lives staring at FR graphs
>>101238362bigger factor then the eartip itself is the size like i mentioned. if you choose the incorrect size and it doesn't fit you well, it's money wasted. basically no, one pair of tiny silicone caps is not worth $10
>>101229472What do you call these that have this three layer things for their earbuds
>>101238424The eyes of someone who has seen too many pig disgusting tittymonsters commit sexual battery against her man.
>>101238450Eardildos
>>101238190>comparing drawings to peopleseek help before it's too late
>>101238450triple flange
>>101238511Thank you sir
>>101238511Triple flange eardildos, to be specific.
>>101238486?I pick my daughter from there
>>101238635>ACKesl tranny
>>101238141We don't live in India.
>>101237604So what you're saying is it's audibly transparent?
>>101237827You're 2 years late to be mad at KZ stealth revising stuff and 4 years late to care about KZ at all. They're obsolete in all but sub $10 budget.
>>101237893so is not worth for the price?
>>101238800>Thinking Apple dongle is on the rentry because of inherent sound quality and not because it does the bare minimum of playing back music without an audible noise floor and clicking in the background.Pfft lmao
>>101238951>playing back music without an audible noise floor and clicking in the backgroundThat is inherent sound quality.
>>101235937>the first thing I notice is how warm it is. Very warmNot my experience with them, to me these are very mid-focussed neutral earbuds with just enough bass to keep things a little interesting, but definitely needs EQ to shine a bit more. i boost the bass alot with these, but they respond very well to that. To me these don't sound very warm. not bright, just very neutral.
>>101239116>Not my experience with themIt's almost like the 25dB difference from the fit is real.
>>101238980That is called a product functioning, Mr. Pedantic Faggot. Never mind that in order to actually get the most from an Apple Dongle, you'd need an app like UAPP to bypass Android's bullshit.
>>101239164>That is called a product functioning, Mr. Pedantic Faggot.We got non-functioning products right here >>101231165
>>101239134yeah fit is not the best on x10.
>>101239187Are you illiterate by chance.
>>101239233No.
>>101239187Seems like an amazing Dac/Amp. I think I'll buy it.
>>101239266Enjoy your hiss and pops.
>it's not a disturbing prolonged noise, it's small. There is no noise when disconnecting plugs. There is no noise or hiccup when I play, pause, or skip tracks. 8/10
>>101239266Nooo Saar you need to redeem Apple dongle I made it myself saar
>>101239311You can buy whatever garbage you want. I'll stick to products that don't hiss and pop under any circumstances.
>8/10>Saar it's garbage saar buy apple dongleShould I believe the person who actually has the item they're reviewing? Or should I trust the residential seething thirdie? Hmm... such a hard choice.
>>101239345If the person that owns the item says it pops and hisses I'm inclined to believe that person.
Yet this retard thinks it's not up to his standards despite never owning it lmfao.
>>101239386The owner's comprehensive review convinced me this product is not up to my standards.
>Basically, it was revealed to me in a dream that it will not be up to my standards.
>>101239460No, it was revealed to me in this thread.
>>101239469Is the thread in the room with us right now?
>>101239493Yes, it's right in front of me.
>>101239499I see... *quickly jots down "patient seems to be suffering from hallucinations"
>>101239523What do you mean suffering. Seeing people using a sharting and farting product just because it's not apple brings me immense joy.
>>101239555It only braps for second please understand...
>Tested my friend's 300 dollar iem pos.Wtf it is only a little bit different than my 20 dollah slop, good thing i didnt wasteba a single dime on scams. u lied /iemg/
>>101239896You aren't meant to buy $300 IEMs, you're meant to buy 10 $30 IEMs to collect all the coolest box art.
>>101239896we've been saying this though
>>101237718I only recc things I actually own, cklvx/monarch mkIII both have great low end resolution and balanced overall sound IMO two very different price options, diminishing returns beyond 200-300 poorfags will seethe at this and claim diminishing returns beyond $5
>>101239896If he's got some bellsing 3 coomdrop slop, 20$ pos is unironically better
these girls on the train kept looking at me and my tangzu waner jade green editions, i heard them whispering about how cool i looked with them
whats the best iem in the 30-40$ range on aliexpress?
>>101238450>>101238477>>101238511>>101238516how far are you supposed to shove thwm into your ear?
>>101240278all the way in
>>101240210get the new fotm IEMs, Wyvern Abyss or Truthear Gatos
>>101240302the abyss graph is fucking nasty!
>>101240173Should've winked and spoke some mandarin
>>101240329good nasty or bad nasty
>>101240392bad bro
>>101240416looks better up to 3-4k to me, bropeople already say these are pretty warm & the mh755 adds even more niggerbass
>>101240416Holy, these 10$ snoys from 6 years ago still mercilessly dab on chinkshit
>>101240515the mids are crazy shoutyis there anything wrong with the chu 2's? they look epic
>>101240544>the mids are crazy shoutyit's called them being good>is there anything wrong with the chu 2'suncomfortable due to the small size for a lot of peoplepaint bubbling for a lot of peoplelook at q1 pro
NiceHck vs Faaeal vs Ve Monks whoose better for flathead earbuds? (nice hck manufactures the vidos)
It's here.
>>101241105GRAPH.
are Galaxy Buds2 Pro any good? or should I just buy Creative Outlier Pro
>>101241155yes if samsung
>>101240173>train>hear>whisperSnoys XM5's don't have this issue
>>101241105why do they look crusty as fuck
>>101240173r/ThatHappened
>>101243404>reddit
>>101233306I'm not installing the aliexpress app lmao.
When has the espionage situation with Bluetooth headphones become so blatant? I tried Anker earbuds which require my GPS to be turned on in order to connect them to the app initially, and JBL earbuds which require GPS for the app to run at all time. Obviously, requiring pinpoint satellite tracking access in order to adjust headphone settings is completely beyond the pale, and they use Google's "BLE" bullshit as an excuse. How is this shit all over the market? Does no one actually care? These companies should all be under investigation and have their servers raided, but instead they remain popular and all their products get 4 to 5 star reviews on large storefronts.
>>101243700OkayNot like your data isn getting shared around more than your mother regardless or anything
>>101241105so do they come with the double flange tips? The fact that the cable is 1.4m is kind of interesting desu.
>>101241105
>>101241105redeemed
>>101243840Actual tupperware driver, damn.
>>101243966yes but it's abstractly minimalistic, you just don't get that from contemporary pos
>>101243438It's where I get all my information to make my iem purchasing decisions! u/Legate_Invicticus if you wanna follow ;)
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DketG1tnicehck store has a $20 off coupon for the tinhifi dudu (another planar pos)
>>101244287They really named an IEM doodoo.
>last update on my novapos order was 7 days ago>last known localizacion: Netherlands>order placed 26 days ago>planar pos order hasn't been updated either since FridayFUCK YOU SHIPPING SERVICE!
>>101229472So I got my NIceHCK F1 Pro and I love them, but the slight electric noise I'm getting from my fiio E10K is starting to annoy me. Is there a good dac/amp for these that won't break the bank? It'd be cool if I could use something that'd work with my phone and PC, but it's not a necessity.
>>101244460Turd...EARED!
>>101244618if you want something right now, the apple dongle is goodif you can wait, anyof the dongles in the OP. the fiio ja11 also looks interesting for its PEQ
Can I use an apple dongle with a C to A converter?
>30$~>everyday use>twscan someone suggest?
>>101244460my libra arrived today, just got the notification. anyways, enjoy your wait. you could probably order the libra right and get it before your no-va. (no va means "doesn't go" in spanish)
Kinera Celest Pandamon 2, is this a good planar? It's suspiciously cheap and measures fine.
This is the kind of consumer tech advancement I was promised 20 years ago. Exponential gains in capabilities with a descending price tag. That alone makes me want to get into this hobby. Though I'm not eve sure exactly what you people are doing. Just listening to music while on the quest for best audio at lowest price point? Is there a video explaining how this even happened? The birth of high quality audio for dirt cheap prices I mean
>>101244791it's a square dd, like solobaric subwoofers.
>>101244618Can recommend: cs46l41, jcally jm40, jcally ap7, ddhifi tc44c e2, qudelix.Can somewhat recommend: apple dongle(volume issues on android), sonata bhd pro(loud pop when you disconnect it).Can't recommend: cx31993(hiss, occasional distortion from bass), e1da 9039s(sometimes clicks on play/pause, needed Y cable and external power supply to work on my phone. Extreme power and no hiss though), fiio ka17(doesn't work with my phone at all), meizu hifi pro(noise from LTE, can't buy it anymore anyway), hiby fc4(hiss), shanling ua4(hiss, pop noise on play/pause), jcally jm80e(very long startup time), simgot dew1(extremely long fade in/fade out effect, nukes notification sounds)Haven't tried dawn pro and space, might be fine.
>>101244866You order one of these Chifi electro trash things, it breaks in 2 weeks, retailer ghosts you. I think these threads are being kept up by paid Chinese posters / bots.
>>101244702Yes.
>>101244618>fiio E10Ki get the same with my wankers
>>101245093zero chance. unless the chinese have some white boys on the payroll. or maybe AI has just gotten that good
>>101244866it happens to basically anything that the chinese can get their hands to, they're way more capitalistic than americans that are more about worshipping prestigious brands
>>101244866>Though I'm not eve sure exactly what you people are doing. Just listening to music while on the quest for best audio at lowest price point?Collecting boxes with cute girls on them and arguing with poorfags and paypigs about their purchases. Some also do some shilling (unpaid).
>>101244866iems have peaked, there's nothing more to dobuds are the final frontier of audio since nobody has managed to make one that doesn't sound like shit yet and we can't even properly measure them
>https://a.co/d/0fUP3ZckIs this a good dac?
>>101244866We only listen to real musichttps://soundcloud.com/syzymusic/chop-you-up
>eCommerce platforms spam coupons and credits>Use them to redeem eartips>End up with 100+ pairs>Buy more pos so as not to "waste" those eartipsI might be too retarded for this hobby
I have two more coming in.
>>101245557If you feel stupid remember the rat and you won't feel as stupid.
>>101244866I don't really get these "hobbies" eitherI spend some time in this thread, study up on things, order some & then vanish until 6 years later when I need some new onessame goes for the watch thread on /fa/, the pcbg thread, /hpg/ and /mkg/
>>101240539it really is fucking hilarious. sony could have an absolute chokehold on these iem chinks but they just refuse to. someone needs to teach them basic economics that volume > price
>>101245648>no q39sigh
>>101244732redmi buds or moondrop space travel, some on-sale soundpeats / soundcorecheck scarbir and rtings
>>101245557>anime posterino>retardedzoim shocked
>>101245648Redeem the moondrop paperclip.
>>101244866>Is there a video explaining how this even happened?Not afaik but here is the rundown:Shenzhen Guangdong (where most of these Chinese IEM companies reside) is a tech industry hotbed. Over time there have been advancements across the various processes involved in manufacturing IEMs which improves their quality and reduces the cost. >5 axis CNC machining, precision 3-D printing, sputter deposition, consistency of manipulating plastics, etc. Such large-scale factories are "democratized," so that different brands/companies can "rent," them and develop products efficiently rather than incur the heavy cost of in-house manufacturing from the ground-up. Driver technology also improved over time, taking lessons from big R&D and trickle-down applying them en masse. In a specific case, chinks literally stole trade secrets of Knowles company to copy their balanced armature drivers and undercut them. It would be no surprise if similar copying of trade secrets occurred over time when Western companies used Chinese factories to manufacture parts. Thus, we have chinks making equivalent quality acoustic components as overpriced Western brands. In Asian culture it is still a norm to use wired IEMs as opposed to the large shift towards wireless in Western markets, so Asian brands continue to develop new products. In the last decade, distribution channels and export of Chinese IEMs to other countries increased, and so too their profits increased. A few legacy brands in particular were able to realize profound success, and this led to greater competition and upstart brands/companies wanting in on the profits. So here we are. Democratized manufacturing, with many flavors of presentation/sound from the various brands, often racing to the bottom of price brackets to entice consumers with the best bang for their buck. Still, the focus is not solely on the budget segment. This is audiophilia after all, a "hobby" which is often associated with exorbitant cost.
>>101245458>buds are the final frontier of audio since nobody has managed to make one that doesn't sound like shit yetthese all sound like shit? the only reason I am here is because I thought they were superior to the alternative. I was under the impression I would have to spend 3k on headphones to get the equivalent audio of a $300 IEM
>>101246054Sorry...>>101246075No.>>101246443Pretty good as far as the manufacturing side of things go. The audiophile hobby itself is also just as interesting and condensed. I will say that we are now in the best period, having seen actual improvements and technology innovation and implementation in real time. We are about to enter - or arguably already in - a period of stagnation not in terms of product release, but rather in terms of actual measurable audio performance.>>101246487They're talking about earbuds that don't seal (see pic above). I'll actually agree, they definitely aren't good when it comes to accurate sound reproduction. Their main benefit is the comfort.>inb4 blue vido enjoyerhaha yeah blue vido real kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLxfef2MwVche actually went insane
apologize
OH NO NO NO... shartur-sisters... how do we respond?
>>101246805>obsessed with sound reproduction>can't even reproduce a woman's voicejeetrur sisters...
>>101246443Also, consumers became more aware, which keeps companies (that care) on their toes. We have access to low-cost methods of measuring characteristics like frequency response and distortion. Plenty of companies remain opaque and try to sell products based on appeal to emotion, differentiating as "luxury premium," with fanciful marketing images and promotion, but the strength of such branding has diminished. People can easily find frequency response graphs and arrive at their own conclusion of whether or not a product is worth it. As a consequence, it can even be criticized that at this point, new releases are often too similar. Companies have a vague awareness that popular targets like "Harman," are sought by the average consumer, thus they pump out "Harman"-ish IEMs one after another. Luckily, there are still releases across the board that cover the spectrum of preferences.>>101246487>have to spend 3k on headphones to get the equivalent audio of a $300 IEMJust... don't think of things in those terms. Headphones and IEMs are different form factors and not comparable 1:1. To make a good-faith argument, you need to talk specifics. Some people like headphones and don't like things plugged in their ears. How to convince them of such an argument then, and how to invalidate their experience? You can't. If you compare singular measurement like distortion, IEMs often beat headphones. Is this 100% of what constitutes the audio / music listening experience? Not really. Generally speaking, the objective performance metrics of closed-back headphones are fairly poor, whereas IEMs are fairly good. Open-back planar magnetic headphones have a leg to stand on, and so it's not entirely unreasonable to want a good pair of them (although their trade-off is fairly substantial weight).
>>101246857Open back planars are theoretically good but most manufacturers are absolute trash, like worse than KZ bad. Ironically the best cheap options are actually the moondrops. Even poodeze has questionable QC, let alone the lowest dogeater tier chinkshit hifiman.
>brownskin lolcowwgaf/myboys/ twink jordan and daddy akros dropped vids>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzl8HAwGTQ>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nuu0xH9ul8
Is space travel still the number one <$40 tws?Also what are the best cheap IEMs that come with a DSP USB C cable?
>>101246912Can confirm, Hifiman isn't all that. These NiceHCK IEMs are exactly what I was looking for in a Planar set though. And I haven't even done the 100 hour burn in.
>>101247173see >>101246059
>>101247173tanchjim one dsp
>>101247183>>101247210Thanks anon, basically the same as a few months ago then. I'm looking for a gift for a non audiophile, I'll look at which ones are more comfortable for small ears and convenient to use, without sounding like trash.
>>101247173I don't like the Space Travel.There I said it.It's the quietest TWS I've ever heard. There is literally no way to make them loud.
>>101247326That's good to hear now, I also read they have bad battery life. I think I'll skip those then.I'll have a look at the redmi buds and see if there's some soundpeats or soundcore buds on sale, otherwise I'll grab a tanchjim one dsp and add a usb c to usb a adapter.
>>101246857>Just... don't think of things in those terms.why not? if I can get the same quality audio or better for a fraction of the price then obviously that is what I am going to do. also IEM is much more comfortable. only thing I am concerned about is damage to my hearing
>>101247403>why not?Because talking specifics, if you pick a crappy $300 IEM and take the best $3,000 headphones around, the comparison is invalid. Crappy $300 do exist. >damage to my hearingDon't listen loud.
holy squeek these are good
>>101247456
>>101247183Buds 4 look good, but they're almost 50 euros
>>101247489lol seen it coming
>>101247523What version of the Libras?If it's the balanced, I can post my measurement file if you or anybody needs it.
>>101247548balanced, i need my bass.
>>101247523Can you share a picture of the libra shell from both angles?
>>101247560Nice, let me know if you need the measurement. I can also re-measure with different filters if you want.
>>101247437>Don't listen loud.then what is the point?
>>101247456GOOD LUCK ANOn!!!>>101247489BASED
>>101247580ill keep it as it for now, it's a very good versatile tune that doesnt really need physical eq. thanks dude.>>101247641i lost
>>101247659
Are planars the only drivers that can go up to 40khz?
>>101247659>it's a very good versatile tune that doesnt really need physical eqAgreed, and the shell is actually thinner than usual. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
>>101247706ESTs and BA, quality DDs too. Horn drivers.
>>101247706it looks that way due to measurements but anything past 10k on a coupler is inaccurate. most iems fall off before 20khz but there's no way to know if the same decay will happen within your ears. not that you would be able to hear it anyway
>>101247706Are you a bat?
im in endgame phase.how do i know?im color matching my pos + cable + case + tips now.
>>101247456Where did you get the scratch thingy?
>>101247763>there's no way to know if the same decay will happen within your earscan't i just use a tone generator?
>>101247811They came with the first 200 orders of the Libra.
>>101247798>color marching tipsnoob
>>101247727i only heard like 10 seconds of it in one ear, will give better impression much later. this shell is like the cca duo.
>>101247849mad because i can color match my tips without sacrificing comfort or seal lol
sup my fellow dolphins. enjoying that ultrasonic air from planar
new bread >>101248010
>>101247815>came終わりだ。
>>101237718Etymotic ER4SR, the studio reference IEM, you either have it or have nothingthat said, among those nothings Truthear Hexa is very nice and less than a third the Ety's price
>>101247774seconding this but unironically
is it me or is flat bass actually better than harman 10dB boost? the bloat free and fast bass experience is addicting
