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>>101492048
OP is spam.

First for 4090

>>101492061
hey retard, I know you're the previous OP, but you didn't even put any new products in it. you didn't update the PSU ranking list, you have the wrong video cards, and you have info about the 970 Plus which is severely outdated right now. I support this OP instead

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Intel lied, chips died just to keep the goyim terrified.

I have a 4090 and I never use it besides the occasional Triple AAA title that comes out once a year.

>>101492080
I think what intel meant to say was that all its chips had 10% of its circuitry oxidized

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>>101492048
What are /g/ thoughts on mice? I've been told that mice like the G502 Hero and a few others are still the go-to products, since they last 3-4 years before you need to buy another, being quite cheap as well. And that issues such as double-clicking for example are inevitable even with premium mice, so you might as well bite the bullet and cycle through the good cheap ones.

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4690k here, what should I get?

>>101492061
Your OP is shit

>>101492061
you spam here harder stupid faggot get banned

>>101492061
Stop being an eXtreme faggot now

>>101492143
Depends on your budget and location, hombre.

8gb vram is fine, evidence to the contrary is fake news. btw buy the 5060 8gb

>>101492194
Buy the 4090

>>101492061
OP is based

>>101492132
General rule of thumb is to replace your mouse every 5 years, replace it often if you are a highschool faggot who plays cod of duty and less when you reach midlife crisis because your wife is screaming at you for neglecting the kids often. If you were to dump $500 spread out until you die of cancer is plenty enough an investment for mouse assuming you grew up without mental illness.

>>101492232
This post was brought to you by Logitech.

>>101492194
Sir I play league of legends

>>101492246
One thing he is right about is if you like a mouse buy like ten of the fuckers because they will never make one like it again.

How do AMD cards hold up these days? Currently have a 2070 Super but it's starting to really struggle at 1440p. I'm torn between the 4070 super and the 7800XT. The 4070 super will run me around $600-$650, and the 7800XT around $470.

I use linux, so I know that AMD is going to be a better user experience but I'm concerned about losing out on CUDA for compute workloads (ML, video editing, etc.). It might just be worth it for me to use google colab for any ML I do though

>>101490270
Just lol with the 8GB GPUs holding back the industry title LMAO, with that same logic then we can consider the consoles and all AMD Radeon GPUs are holding back the industry as well because of their lack of Ray Tracing / Path Tracing performance and important features this generation such as much inferior Upscaling technology.

The title is obviously a clickbait and i am not failing for it, Seriously HUB's take on VRAM discussions is so unhinged and stupid, i think channels like Digital Foundry is one of the only few ones who gets it right. They think 8GB Vram or lower are already seeing limitations, and they even questions Nvidia's lower vram gpus such as the 4060 Ti etc.

>>101492289
For that price difference the 7800xt is the no-brainer choice.

if i have a 12700k am i effected by the oxidation issue? should i just get a 9000 series ryzen when they launch?

RAM - CMP64GX5M2B6000Z30

CPU - 7800 X3D

Board - ProArt X670E

Case - ProArt PA602

Cooler - DeepCool Mystique 360

Retained - Silent Wings 2 fans for upper exhaust, TX650M, RTX 3060Ti

Solid upgrade from an 8700, right bros? I love the 200mm intake fans on this ProArt and the lower side shielded shroud for holding 3 M.2 SSDs which is super convenient compared, and I need the 64GB meme because I'm keeping a dozen shit applications running in the background when working or gayming.

>>101492289
With AMD 1440p cards you get a small discount for not having DLSS and worse RT. Get AMD if you must penny pinch, Nvidia if you want decent quality products. Imo anyone in the middle class should get a Nvidia card.

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let me guess, you need more?
saying that you do is admitting that you consoom goyslop full of antiwhite propaganda
all good games run on this just fine

>>101492294
If you unironically believe what you wrote then you're too young to remember cards like the 5870, 7950, 970 and 1060

>>101492327
Imagine that, the 8GB card fails when settings are cranked to maximum/very high, RT is enabled, and resolution is set to 1440p instead of 1080p. HUB seems to think that entry-level cards are obligated to achieve 60 FPS at 1440p with unrealistic settings. The xx60 class of cards has been about 1080p-class gaming forever, so increasing expectations now is an awkward position to take.

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>>101492289
The 4070 Super is way faster in gaming (especially in practical situations where DLSS is available), and of course also in workloads like Stable Diffusion, Blender, etc.

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>>101492294
> their lack of Ray Tracing / Path Tracing
Based 24 FPS enjoyer
> Upscaling technology.
Native is much better to play

>>101492326
Palworld doesn't have any anti-white propaganda and needs a 4090 in 4K.

>>101492366
>black characters existing is anti white propagnada

>>101492365
>4k
Now try a resolution people actually use dumb amdrone.

>>101492384
If you play alone or with your white friends there aren't any black characters.

>>101492394
>2024
>he does not have a 4K screen yet
are you poor, stupid, or both

>>101492398
it was a sarcastic phrase you fucking racist

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the fan in my psu is acting up but the connector is glued with some weird fucking silicone glue shit can i just cut the cables and solder them to a new fan or will i create mustard gas OR SOMETHING

>>101492414
Do you have a question about building PC's, please?

>>101492072
Your website is shit. All it lists is Honggduo PSUs and nothing mainstream. Fucking slant

>>101492421
It is just a fan so unless you botch it such a replacement is fine.

>>101492422
dont come in her3e talking about " anti white propaganda" and then try to play all innocent

>>101492326
Shit card. Get a 4070 Super. Anything else at 1440P is lol.

>>101492394
>$2k+ GPU
>Please lower the resolution
Based

>>101492143
Depends where you are but I've seen pretty compelling deals on the Ryzen 5000 series chips.
I'm down south in the states for a few months and micro-center has a bundle deal on an AM4 mobo, 16GB ram and a 5800X for $350, for example.
Last time I was at Canada Computers they had the 5600X for something like CAD$120 (processor only).

>>101492306
Thanks anon I might just go for it. Nearly $200 less, 4GB more VRAM and comparable performance.

>>101492323
This has to be a shill post or a fanboy. Both cards have their pros and cons but your post sounds like it's out of a marketing handbook.

>>101492347
Yeah, ML stuff is a good reason - shame that it's all so tied up in CUDA and AMD doesn't try and properly compete. No horse in this race personally but I wish there was more competition in the market. AMD also has FSR, but I hear it isn't as good.

In general when I do play games, it's usually either Counter-Strike, WoW or runescape. I will sometimes play new titles but not often. I'm considering upgrading only because I struggle to run CS2 at 144fps on 1440p now. The big upside for me on AMD is not having to deal with Nvidia driver BS on Linux - I've never not had problems either on Wayland or X11.

>>101492426
>its not my website
>im not even the OP
and there are plenty of PSU's for sale in the west on those graphs
also the website is made by aris which is the only relevant PSU reviewer because of his experience and his work with cybenetics

>>101492426
Fucking idiot

>>101492439
That wasn't even me lmao

>>101492440
shit card, overpriced, can't max out 1440p for your goyslop and it doesn't do anything better than a 3060 for the games that matter. it will also be cucked by the vram in the future so it will age badly as a 1440p card. you will play at 1080p in few years with that if you want to play new games

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>>101492451
AMD has literally no pros

>>101492477
I got mine for $417

i guess we know why Intel used the raptor lake codename. Like real raptors the chips will go extinct.

>>101492440
4070 Super is a 1080p card imo

>>101492490
actual insanity

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>>101492436
i could bocch it possibly
i really suck at soldering and i dont have heatshrinks

any idea why OP recs intel cpus?

like whats the advantage to buying 13th gen intels over am4 or am5 ones, arent you gonna spend like hundreds more on energy bills over the chips lifespan

>>101492486
Nvidiots coming out in droves in this thread. Are they paid shills or is it sunk cost fallacy?

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>>101492176
>>101492451

money is not a problem, but I'm not a coonsumer, I just want a new setup with a new processor so that I can upgrade again in about 3 years, I was thinking about getting a 9600x and in 3 years upgrading just the processor and get a 11600x

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Been eyeing this monitor for a while since I need a new one, it's going for a relatively decent price. Xiaomi A27i.
Question is though, should I believe the listed response time of 6ms? And if so, is that a good response time? I know that most 1ms response times are fake, but I'm scared that this one will be anywhere past 6ms.
IPS panel and 100hz btw

>>101492515
>like whats the advantage to buying 13th gen intel
It will die in a year so you can buy a new arrow lake chip! Based intel making sure you aren't stuck on old platforms.

>>101492525
>9600x
I don't think that's out yet. If you can spend however much you want and plan to keep it, then just wait for it to release and buy it

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Day 471 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>101492519
You have insulted their religion.

>>101492462
>>101492466
It lists obscure shit like thermalpower and rare editions of Strix PSUs and Segotek and BioForce and other chinky brands. Fuck Aris, I need consumer grade options not an exotic buffet of impossible-to-acquire products. I'll just get the first 750W Gold I see on Amazon.

>>101492509
A ~170Hz 1080p monitor is pretty standard these days and costs ~$120. Good luck maxing out a 1440p monitor with a 4070 Super, you can't do it in AA games

>>101492515
it certainly won't be hundreds more especially since OP is only recommanding i5 models bc i7 and i9 models literally fucking die after a few months now lmao

in my opinion am5 makes more sense for the future platform support alone

>>101492527
Seems overpriced, there are better monitors for that money at least in the US

>>101492512
>
>suck
>tranny pic sucking on fruit juice while blushing
post your setup queer make sure to photobomb it with rainbow socks

>>101492525
9600x should be out end of this month or next month I believe

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>>101492552
How is Thermaltake obscure, it's an old brand and gets good sales. And your premise is wrong in the first place, because it also lists Corsair PSU's for example.

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>>101492072
>you didn't update the PSU ranking list
It'll be changed the next time I post
>wrong video cards
No
>970 Plus
The 970 Evo Plus retards have definitely slowed down, and maybe it's time to remove that line, but I still see plenty of retards with them in build lists. The OP is designed to nip common problems in the bud

>>101492314
At this point, it doesn't seem so.

>>101492327
None of those cards had significant VRAM problems besides the 970 at launch, and that was quickly fixed by driver updates

>>101492556
yes you can wat, DLSS quality works great for 1440p

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>>101492561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw

i5s arent exactly spared

>>101492564
sadly not in the US, this is the cheapest I can go for that's not dogshit

>>101492566
5600g <25dB under full load connected to a trinitroon in a 25 year old open pc case (full of dust)
i wanted to get a gpu but there isn't a single AAA game made after like 2013 worth playing

>>101492515
Not OP, but currently the 13600K is $150 cheaper than the 7800X3D. The 7800X3D is now almost twice as expensive but does not give you that much increased performance. If you have a limited budget, say $1500, you're better off spending that $150 on your GPU and other parts. I agree the choice of 14600K is perhaps not optimal, though.

>>101492622
forgot to mention
running troonix with some autism wm

>>101492515
AM4 best CPU is 5800X3D. Intel 1700 best CPU is 14900K, which performs much better than a 5800X3D. AM4 is literally obsolete now unless you are upgrading an old system.

>>101492631
then get a R5 7600

>>101492647
The 13600KF is significantly better and not much more expensive, at least in the US currently. Why limit yourself to the 7600?

>>101492657
>Why limit yourself to the 7600?
better platform

>>101492622
Path of Exile (okay old but keeps getting updated), Palworld

>>101492622
Anno 1800

>>101492666
What's better about it?

>>101492598
Playing native is superior in most multiplayer games + your game has to support DLSS

>>101492646
Lga1700 best CPU is either 14600k or 12900k if you want something that lasts longer than 2 years

>>101492685
at least 2 generations with the possibility of another support meaning you can just sell your old cpu and pay a little bit more for a 9600x or 9800x3d down the line or better

>>101492552
He reviews more than enough PSU's with good availability

>>101492701
And the 14600K is almost as good as the 7800X3D and $80 cheaper. Sounds like a win to me

>>101492697
what modern titles don't support DLSS these days? and why would you want it off? at 1440p DLSS quality looks amazing and makes the game more responsive in combination with nvidia reflex

>>101492701
Yeah until Intel has the first DDR6 platform and then every AM5 idiot is going to upgrade to intel lol

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>>101492723
heres the chart

also no one recs intel cpus simply from the instability perspective

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>>101492451
>AMD also has FSR, but I hear it isn't as good
It's not even close. In fact if you use image quality as the point of comparison, Geforce cards are at least a tier above what you see in bar charts. DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is often better than the developer's default full resolution presentation, meaning Radeon would have to super sample (i.e., run at a higher resolution and then downsample) to have a chance at equivalent image quality

>>101492365
DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is better than or equivalent to native in 2/3s of the tested games, and of course it's substantially faster as well.

>>101492735
also 9000 series cpu's coming out in a month so AMD will just move even further ahead than they are now

>>101492750
fsr 3.1 has closed the gap a bit and at 1440p quality looks pretty good to me in combo with fsr 3 frame gen

>>101492730
It's simply greyed out for BF2042 multiplayer

>>101492781
that's an issue with your setup then

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>>101492697
>Playing native is superior in most multiplayer games
Considering DLSS is often better than TAA, this isn't true. For example, DLSS is better than TAA in R6: Siege. Also of course there's DLAA to think about, and it's almost always better than TAA unless there's some problem with the implementation

>>101492773
Slightly but the fundamental issues are still there

>>101492673
>>101492679
case in point

>>101492787
No, it's the developer that does that

>>101492800
>the developer turned off DLSS on your specific system

werks on my machine lel

>>101492788
You never know what odd game might have an annoying issue with its DLSS implementation.

For instance, RDR2 has this god awful shimmering on certain types of hair, especially white horse hair. Doesn’t sound like a big deal, but it looked so bad when you ran into it that I couldn’t use DLSS in that one.

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ok whats the point of this

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>>101492750
Based poor quality enjoyer

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>>101492788
ghost of Tsushima

Nvidia drivers are causing instability on my linux setup. I need 2-slot AMD gpu for light gaming and hobbyist production.

Currently looking at RX 6600 (200€) vs RX 7600 XT (325€). Any reason to avoid one of these? Or should I wait for next gen?

>>101492872
next gen is quite a few months away if you intend to upgrade to RDNA 4 ASAP then get the rx6600 if not then the 7600xt is fine

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>>101492477
>play at 1080p in few years
Especially on a VRAM basis, this is retarded. 12 GB cards will be just fine until the PS6. Keep in mind that the 4070 is already a 1080p card, so with any card of that performance level, you'll be using upsampling to hit 1440p.

>>101492809
>RDR2
Using an updated DLSS DLL really helped in RDR2 for me personally. Notice in the chart here >>101492750, DLSS got slammed against native. But little Timmy notes that replacing the DLL reverses the findings

>>101492839
Already debunked here >>101492259. Can't argue against the massive amount number of games in this chart >>101492788. Also keep in mind that in Metro Exodus, DLSS allows the use of faux PT in the Enhanced Edition

>>101492872
Those only have an x8 pcie interface so you'd need a gen4 motherboard and CPU to compensate for the narrow width or you'll lose lots of performance

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>>101492848
What about it?

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>>101492898
> Already debunked here
>shows TAA
Based NVshill, doesn’t know about native and lowers the image quality all the time

>>101492132
Double clicking only occurs on logishit mice. I had multiple shit tier cheap a4tech ones, never had double clicking. Also the two other brands I currently have also doesn't double click.

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>>101492947
Again, you're posting RT Overdrive as if it's a problem with DLSS. You really are tech illiterate. Well known that DLSS is better than native in Cyberpunk

>The in-game TAA solution has very poor rendering of small object detail—thin steel objects and power lines, tree leaves, and vegetation in general. The in-game TAA solution also has shimmering issues on the whole image, even when standing still, and it is especially visible at lower resolutions such as 1080p, for example. All of these issues with the in-game TAA solution are resolved when DLAA, DLSS or XeSS are enabled, due to the better quality of their built-in anti-aliasing solution. Also, the sharpening filters in the DLAA, DLSS and XeSS render path can help to improve overall image quality. With DLSS and XeSS you can expect an improved level of detail rendered in vegetation and tree leaves in comparison to the in-game TAA solution. Small details in the distance, such as wires or thin steel objects, are rendered more correctly and completely in all Quality modes. With DLAA enabled, the overall image quality improvement goes even higher, rendering additional details, such as higher fidelity hair for example, compared to the in-game TAA solution, DLSS and XeSS. Also, both DLSS 3.1 and XeSS 1.1 handle ghosting quite well, even at extreme angles.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-xess-1-1-vs-fsr-2-1-vs-dlss-3-comparison/

>>101492048
fishtank cases are so fucking cool

>>101492985
rt causes temporal ghosting?

>>101492347
>18 images per minute is absolutely unusable, but 37 is perfectly fine
Look at 37 aislop images in a minute and spot all the ai mistakes.

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>>101493003
Path tracing does. Sometimes Ray Reconstruction can help to speed up ray accumulation, which is the main culprit of that type of ghosting.
https://youtu.be/uJ_wpSHyi04?si=ywFqlIDl9-YSKjiW&t=70

TAA/DLSS type ghosting looks like pic related when it occurs, but DLSS generally handles it the best out of all the techniques

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>>101492823
>legacy
You were saying?

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>used my PC on the floor next to bed for two years
>gpu is inserted horizontally and covered in a lot of dust
>power supply is a typical box-shaped thing
>sprayed it with an air duster but dust is just dancing inside of it
Terrible design, right?
The reason it didn't catch fire was because I had a ventilation filter on the intake.

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>>101492985
> as if it's a problem with DLSS
Yes, you can clearly see in this webm that previous DLSS version was doing the same but less, it just got worse with the newer DLSS version.

>>101492985
>better than native
Imagine having this much corpslop brainrot.

I bought 7800X3D and Asus 7900XTX 6 months ago. Noise from fans while gaming varied but was pretty much so loud I couldn't drown it out with my speakers. I bought some Noctua fans to replace the ones on the PA SE120 but it didn't solve it. I fiddled with fan settings but it was always very loud after a few minutes with most games. Then I finally played Elden Ring and there was no noise suddenly, I thought it was because of 60fps lock but finally, at least noise wise, I had a comfortable time. Then started playing through RDR2 again and it was so loud immediately. I messed around with a fan curve in Adrenaline but it didn't respond or change anything. Than I tried MSI afterburner, setup a curve, and I worked. I got it stable for 20% fan speed under 80° in different games. The whole case is like 1/4th of the noise under load now even though it's 33° outside atm. And you know what the reason it was /g/? That for some fucking reason Arenaline takes GPU hotspot as the reference temp and that easily spikes to 100° with 4k/144hz. I'm so happy it's finally solved and love my new build.

>>101493127
>messed around with a fan curve in Adrenaline but it didn't respond or change anything.
How can someone be this stupid?

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>>101493106
>the same
You must need glasses. You're posting two different types of ghosting, one related to PT and the other related to reconstruction like TAA/DLSS. Again, DLSS generally handles ghosting better than TAA, and your nitpick doesn't change the fact that DLSS is better than native in Cyperpunk 2077

>>101493111
Imagine being this much of a luddite

>>101493149
But my feeble brain solved the problem. How was I supposed to know.

>>101493175
Did you forget to apply settings in adrenaline?

>>101493127
>Arenaline takes GPU hotspot as the reference temp

YUP this is why I use afterburner also it is fucking RETARDED

and their own default fan curves don't use hotspot temp either such a retarded move

>>101493180
Yeah, but what are you supposed to do if you can't set anything above 100° when it fucking starts there?

>>101493169
what about fsr 3.1 that fixed flickering alot

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>>101493169
> You're posting two different types of ghosting
It’s the same issue, one just gets more severe as DLSS gets more updates
Generally DLSS is way less stable than native and gets severe issues with image quality when you’re moving the camera
Currently we observe that it degrades with each new version, maybe they will start to fix it someday

>>101493215
I don't know what you are on, but it works for me.

>>101492898
>4070 is already a 1080p card
only shills like you think that because you are damage controlling already its inevitable demise that will happen sooner than what everyone thinks. you will lower settings and play with fake frames like you will with budget cards from generation ago.
it's simply useless as it isn't doing anything a 3060 will do since it will play all good games with decent performance just fine.
if you really cared about kosher goyslop you would've already just bought a 4090 and stfu about it.

>>101493075
Glad I never bothered with that shit then.

>>101493228
>rt overdrive
Thank you for proving my point. Not related to DLSS. Anyway I'm off to the gym. I'll continue educating you later

>RT is good because dlss makes it usable!
>Haha the bad quality is because of RT not because of dlss!
The mental gymnastics of low tier marketers.

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>>101493270
We are observing ghosting with both DLSS and RT versions, one just got worse, you can go wipe your tears

>>101492788
you dont use dlss in multiplayer since it adds significant amount of latency you fucking mongoloid

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>>101492132
>I've been told that mice like the G502 Hero and a few others are still the go-to products
That's what people who have no clue about mice say. G502 is nowhere near the go to product for any use case. That thing is heavy af, overly designed and the ergonomic is not that good. I've used it for nearly 10 years by the way.
>thoughts on mice?
The answer is, it depends on your grip and hand size. Let's assume medium to large hands and claw or palm grip :
>Claw grip
If you want the best wireless, have the money and medium to large sized hands (18x9cm at the very least I'd say) then it's the white Viper V3 Pro from Razer.
With the above criterias but don't want to spend that much money, Logitech G Pro X Superlight 1 or 2 is cheaper. It was the king of mice for 4 years after all, at least until Razer mogged them.
>Palm grip
Same perks but with an ergonomic shape (better for palm grip) Deathadder V3 Pro.
If smol hands Zowie EC series are good ergos with different sizes too.
>Wired
You probably don't know wireless is not a meme anymore. I'll give you that the cost is significantly higher to have a good product however.
Deathadder V3 and Zowie wired are probably the best bangs for the bucks.
>Office / Web browsing
Vertical mouse like Logitech MX Vertical. Carpal tunnel syndrome is no joke, no reason not to if you don't play games. I got both personally.
>Small hands and fingertip grip
Can't give advice on that. Haven't searched about it for my case.

>>101493350
only frame gen adds latency, upscaling actually reduces latency because you get higher fps

>>101493350
DLSS3 adds latency, DLSS2 is small if anything

>>101493374
you mean DLSS frame gen adds latency not DLSS 3 as a whole

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>shilling shit products (for free)

>>101493484
He bought the 4070 meme, please understand

>>101493370
Thanks for the detailed response. Mice are supposed to be heavy? I never had any issues with that, but I have large hands and a muscular build. G502 Hero is what I've been using for almost a year after I got tired of cycling through no-name 5$ mice. In fact, I would say it's still on the small side, so I wouldn't mind something bigger, maybe something that can also give my ring and little finger a surface to comfortably sit on. I do palm grip, and don't care if it's wired. Ergonomic mice are probably my only option, never used one before; I could probably do a combo where I switch between it and my G502 for gaming. Are there any comparable quality ones that are similar in price/cheaper than the Logitech MX Vertical?

>>101493530
The Speedlink Tarios is very wide, it has support for basically all your fingers. There's other brands that use the same outer shell as well but forgot which.

I have a 4k 144Hz screen and a GTX 1080
The 1080 doesn't support enough bandwidth to drive 4k @144Hz, it's limited to 90ish Hz.

I don't play any games except for 2D autism games, but I cannot even use the 144Hz in the Windows Desktop due to DisplayPort limitations which kind of pisses me off.

What's the best nvidia card that supports 4k144 that is also better than the 1080 but doesnt cost too much?

>>101493565
>The Speedlink Tarios
This one? https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SL-680012-BK/dp/B07KGQWWXK

It's actually smaller than the G502 hero.

>>101493614
It's wide though and supports your fingers on the right side. But it was just a recommendation. If something like that is still too small for you then lose some weight you fat fuck

AIO vs air cooler
Discuss.

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buy intel

>>101493669
aio is best for high wattage silicon, like the 4090 or 5090
air coolers are best for amd cpus since they're basically quiet while maintaining temps

>>101493657
I'm not fat though, my hands are just big.

>>101493370
I haven't looked into wireless mice/keyboards in like 7 years, are they actually good now? Not having to deal with 2 less cables would be nice, but I remember years ago they were kinda shit.

>>101493127
I prefer fancontrol over afterburner

>>101493674
>Still no avx512
>Worse boost clocks than 14900K
Things are not looking good intelsisters

>>101493674
isnt this essentially a 9900k?

>>101493774
>>Worse boost clocks than 14900K
wooow
wonder why?

>>101493685
It's okay bro, American website.

>>101493370
>>101493558
The original Logitech G5 had weights to adjust the weight of the mouse. I fucking loved that mouse man...

>>101493817
Good thing I'm not American.
>>101493850
Mine also has weights, it's cool.

>>101493597
Used 3080 or 3090?

>>101493674
>>101493793
>Intel Silently Intros 14th Gen Desktop CPUs Without E-Cores: Core i9-14901KE Flagship With 8 P-Cores, 5.8 GHz Clocks, 125W TDP
BASED

>>101494003
>Intel has listed that these new 14th Gen P-Core Only SKUs are "released" and since we haven't seen them on any retail outlet yet, it looks like these chips are indeed not designed for the DIY market.
What the fuck?!

I have a 13700kf and I haven't seen anything funky going on. Is this all just a way to dissuade shareholders into buying amd stocks?

userbenchmark

>>101494046
I have heard it is mostly i9 and some i7 chips particularly 14th gen

>>101493558
>Mice are supposed to be heavy?
Gaming mice tend to be as light as possible. You don't realize how significant that is until you hold one. When I first lifted my Viper V3 out of the box it blew my mind.
>In fact, I would say it's still on the small side, so I wouldn't mind something bigger
I'd say unless you have really big hands above 21x12cm it should be fine with the above mentioned. Unfortunately for actual giants there isn't really much choices but fully custom mouses (very expensive).
>maybe something that can also give my ring and little finger a surface to comfortably sit on
The only gaming mouse I know does that is Razer naga. Not a great mouse tho, wouldn't recommend.
>I do palm grip, and don't care if it's wired. Ergonomic mice are probably my only option, never used one before; I could probably do a combo where I switch between it and my G502 for gaming.
I'd suggest Deathadder V3 then. It's 50$ on Amazon and you can always send it back if it's not to your liking.
Just don't forget to lower the polling rate. It's at 8k and that's quite CPU intensive. Can just tweak in the Razer software along the DPI then uninstall that piece of shit.
You'll like the shape coming from G502 I think. I tried it and hesitated a lot but Viper is more flexible, better clicks, very well balanced and has a superior coating (in white).
>Are there any comparable quality ones that are similar in price/cheaper than the Logitech MX Vertical?
Idk honestly. I kind of bought this one on a whim lol. It was cheaper than their catalog on my amazon. There isn't many vertical mice yet and Logitech was the only reputable brand making them. They have the Lift too but it's more for smaller hands it seems and not as good quality overall.
I wouldn't worry about CTS too much if you have good form tho. Posture matters a lot btw. I fucked up for years while playing Dota and have early signs but it might no be the case for you.

>8 workout hyperthreading
They are going backwards lmao. 2 years and they will release 4 core cpus.

>>101494106
cpus have so many cores now that hyperthreading is more of a liability

>>101494003
>based
no its not you shiteating nigger cattle

>guise i have intel x, am i safe?? or should i get intel y???
literal cattle, they will get away with it, if shit gets serious gov will save them again

>>101494169
>>101494173
hivemind
but I don't disagree

>>101494144
V3 is wired, V3 pro is wireless.
If you actually consider the DAV3 Pro I'd suggest you try out the white Viper V3 Pro from Amazon and send back the one you don't like.
Two things important to note that are very misleading :
DAV3 Pro with dongle packaged (~180$) is a newer version of the DAV3 Pro (~120$) with better coating and quality control. I don't think you can buy the DAV3 package on Amazon so try the wired instead (that's what I did).
Viper V3 white has a special coating. The black has the same coating as DAV3 Pro with dongle.

>>101494282
Oh ye also the wired DAV3 has the same coating has the newest one. Really confusing shit I know.

>>101492018
Looks like vertical screen tearing, kek.

>>101494173
Other than i5 buyers who are buying for value, highend intel buyers are brand loyal boomers who won't touch AMD in this life

You guys are overblowing the intel issue like crazy. It's not even 10% of all CPUs. The ones affected will be RMA'd and that will be the end of it

>>101492194
Object Lod and texture quality changes are the optimizations used and you can observe these changes as you move towards an object in game, especially foliage.

I was hoping that this distance would be moved quite far out with the new consoles to the point it's not that observable, but that hasn't happened as much as I've liked. On PC, Far Cry 6 in its original state had impressive foliage in that it was hard to make out these transitions. But many 3080 users complained since it would run out of VRAM and reduced texture quality to keep up. So the distance got nerfed in a patch.

>>101493700
>I haven't looked into wireless mice/keyboards in like 7 years, are they actually good now?
Mice are completely there. It's literally the norm now for high end. You can get around 100 hours of use at 1k hz polling rate with good ones. Higher polling rate dries battery faster but can last 1-2 days easily. The price can easily double if not triple next to the exact same models wired however.
For keyboard, it's good too but not many offer that option especially custom ones. Bluetooth is still a bit trash so you'd have to look for ones with 2.4Ghz wireless dongles. They usually offer 1k polling rate wireless in that case which is more than fine.

>>101494492
10% in one year, 25% in two years...50% in 6 years

https://x.com/jaykihn0/status/1814489864185729199
some intealivfag posted his research and even i5s are being cooked alive

>>101494522
>Higher polling rate dries battery faster but can last 1-2 days easily.
By that I meant at 8k polling rate. Which is quite overkill even on a >400hz monitor.

>>101492048
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kM4zQP

hey all, I have a budget around 600 usd to upgrade this set up, I was thinking a new cooler, a 5700x3d and I had wanted a 6800 but i cant seem to find one from a reputable seller for a reasonable price today, any recomendations or anything? Ill be getting a 1440 monitor in a few months too.

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>>101494565
>mixed memory speeds

>>101492143
if you're a gaymer 7800x3d
if you need cores 9950x
if you are a gaymer/need cores but don't like amd but also now trust intel 14900k
>>101492194
>all features off
>textures low
yep, it's time to game
>>101492132
heavy fat mices are shit
>And that issues such as double-clicking for example are inevitable even with premium mice
only happens with shitty OMRON switches where now even logitech have updated their models and moved over to optical switches which are immune to this
so in short, check if the mice is either using optical switches or NOT OMRON switches and a good sensor and it's pretty much a good mice
>cycle through the good cheap ones.
or you can just buy a decent one or if you got even more time on your hands buy shit mice and solder new switches in which you can buy separately which they barely cost shit
>>101492326
can't run ER 1080p 60fps so yeah it's an obsolete gpu
so yes indeed you do in fact need more
this is my bare minimum benchmark for gpus in 2024
>>101492527
>100hz
nice office monitor
>>101492556
by this logic a 4090 prolly is not even a 1080p card either
>>101492622
ER
>>101492730
>and makes the game more responsive in combination with nvidia reflex
moving the mouse and waiting for the game to render making the game unplayable for competitive modes is not exactly an improvement
if DLSS behaves like that it's literally slop until they improve it
>>101493669
it's a good privilege to be able to get away with just an air cooler
>>101493674
no estrogen cores to get cheaper and compete with x3d is a good thing
>>101493774
all core only matters

>>101494549
Looks like a pretty standard high temperature test to me but it doesn't say how long it ran (500h? 1000h?)
Results are not alarming with 0.1-0.7% failure rates

>>101494604
Lol the x1KE lineup is for embedded systems only

>>101494586
yeah, it was free, ive actually since been given another set of 3000, but i cant get it physically click ito my motherboard, i dont know whats wrong with it but ill give it another go when i install the new cpu and such

>>101494622
>jewtel will continue forcing you to buy 18 estrogen cores to get all the cache
yep, it's over (again)

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>>101494604
Elden Ring is neither AAA nor worth playing.

>>101494085
13700KF is an i7 anon

>>101494169
more products is always good for the consumer

>>101494604
>moving the mouse and waiting for the game to render making the game unplayable for competitive modes is not exactly an improvement
>if DLSS behaves like that it's literally slop until they improve it

you don't understand how DLSS upscaling works, it makes the game more responsive by default because it increases your frame rate, reflex just makes it even more responsive

DLSS frame gen increases latency

>>101494679
take note as to how I said "some i7's" and "particularly 14th gen"

>>101494046
Most i9s aren't affected. Even fewer i7s are affected.
Its fine if you think it's a psyop, but it's a very real event that affects the few unlucky people who have these unstable CPUs

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>>101494604
>nvidiot shill is retarded and spreading false information
yeah figures, as usual. you don't need more. keep coping though.

>>101494703
Take note of how it's an i7

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>>101494723
>affects the few

>>101494738
Note the use of the word potential

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I built this a few days ago

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ITT

>>101494747
not bad.
specs?
grab handle?

>>101494765
This but with Nvidia

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Do emulator such as rpcs3 benefit from the extra cache of an x3d CPU?

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>>101494805
Yeah.

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>>101494765
>laughs in American subsidy
too big to fail™

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>>101494650
it's pretty good, better than everything else released recently
>>101494689
>play competitive game
>already at cpu limited settings
>want to use dlss to get even higher res possibly
>all it introduces is a laggy image that takes time to render every time you move your mouse
I don't think you understand that a blurry image is not competitively viable
you are free to prove me wrong by stating what competitive games you play that use dlss in and what place you are in in top 500
>>101494727
>sub 60fps 1% dps in screenshot
>not dlc
>not tested in graphically demanding situation
pic related, not a 60fps gpu, you need more
this is no raytracing also obviously
try again

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>>101494784

>>101494780
>grab handle
yeah

Case: Aerocool CS-109
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7600
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6600
Mobo: ASUS Prime B650M-A Wi-Fi II
RAM: G.Skill Flare X5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz
SSD: Crucial T700 1TB

Its to replace my aging i7 7700k GTX 1080 PC

>>101494747
Why in God's name are you putting the PSU there??

>>101494736
refer to previous answer

>>101494818
Damn, it's literally a 40% improvement over the non vcache 7700x
Amd really hit a gold mine reusing this cowos technology TSMC developed for another company for vcache

>>101494853
Why is that a problem? The case only allows for a top mounted PSW anyway

>>101494853
It was all the rage back in 97.

>>101494853
That's where the PSU goes in the original ATX spec
God I feel old having to type that out

>>101494862
be weary of screenshots and the jewish tactic known as "average fps", it's no longer a viable metric
x3d hits high averages consistently but the dip is what you should be weary of and look at lows if anything
while x3d might indeed just be better across the board regardless, you must double check

>>101494747
I love it, very clean no bullshit faggot lights or anything, utilitarian chad

>>101494604
literally right now i'm playing ds1 so by the time i get to ER i might as well just upgrade to the new APU

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>>101493219
I'm not saying FSR 3.1 isn't better, but it's still not good from what I've seen. It's not really that different from FSR 2.2, except that the sharpening has been improved somewhat, which leads to less flickering and pixelation

>>101494870
>>101494876
>>101494884
Whelp, that's what I get for being zoomer.
t. I built my first PC in 2016

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>buy 2200€ gpu
>get 50fps in 1080p max settings
yep, it might be over

Receiving MSI G244F E2. Will report back later.

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>>101493350
>dlss adds significant amount of latency
Moron

>>101493597
Any RTX graphics card can run 4K 144Hz with DSC

>>101494046
There's definitely some type of degradation happening. Could be related to a variety of things. Just because you anecdotally haven't seen any issues doesn't mean there aren't

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Is this PSU worth getting? It's on a pretty big sale down from ~$204. Platinum 1000W, Japanese capacitors, ATX 3.0/PCIe 5.0 compatible and has a 12vhpwr cable ready with 7 year warranty.

The problem is, I can't really find anything on it, but the company itself is quite reputable.

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>>101493291
Want better lighting? You'll have to deal with lower temporal stability for the time being. RT is often (not always, especially when AMD is involved) better that pure rasterization

>>101493345
You're too stupid to differentiate. Probably why you bought Radeon

Do cases tend to have rubber feet? I want to put my upcoming build on my desk instead of the floor but am scared of it being knocked off.

>>101495063
why do you hate having desk space

JUST GIVE ME THE FUCKING 5090 ALREADY

>>101494890
Hello Mr. UserBenchmark, what do you think of the recent reports of 13 and 14th gen Intel CPUs being absolute self destructing garbage?

Are cheap deals on new parts mostly a local instore thing? Saw someone say they got a 12600 for 79 but pcpartpicker history never shows it that low. My city only has best buy for tech so I mostly browse amazon/online stores and I never see the steep discounts people talk about. Also thoughts on the crucial brand? Bought some cheap ram and ssds from them but I still have time to change it out

>>101495071
I've got a very wide desk anyway, enough room for two monitors, mouse and keyboard, and misc objects PLUS space for a tower. I hear keeping computers on the floor is bad for them.

>>101495091
its not particularly bad
they have dust filters, you prob dont want them to stand on a carpet I guess and if you live in a dusty environment geologically or you smoke then it would be worse regardless of where its positioned

>>101495081
lashing out over reality is a not a good luck or valid, do better

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>>101494955
The 4090 is currently $1700 in the USA
4K DLSS Performance != 1080p
Full RT is pretty much the last bastion of graphics. It's actually amazing that RT works in real time at all, but it's got a long way to go. 1440p input for 4K DLSS Quality is pretty much all you need, but that's still like 2x 4090 performance unless Nvidia can come up with substantial RT breakthroughs. And 2x 4090 performance will take two generations at least (so RTX 6090), and that's assuming that games won't get more demanding, which they will.

>>101495085
Crucial as a brand is decent, but as always, depends more on the model than brand for SSD

https://x.com/tekwendell/status/1814329015773086069
ayy lmao

>>101495207
>The 4090 is currently $1700 in the USA
and
>4K DLSS Performance != 1080p
1080p render, therefore meaning the top card can't even render a modern game at the top settings at 60fps, this is the value of current gpu/gaming
>Full RT is pretty much the last bastion of graphics. It's actually amazing that RT works in real time at all, but it's got a long way to go. 1440p input for 4K DLSS Quality is pretty much all you need, but that's still like 2x 4090 performance unless Nvidia can come up with substantial RT breakthroughs. And 2x 4090 performance will take two generations at least (so RTX 6090), and that's assuming that games won't get more demanding, which they will.
2k for a gpu, can't play game at maxed settings in 1080p at a stable 60fps
the rest is not my problem
that is all, the absolute state of gaymen
brutal

>>101495207
>4K DLSS Performance != 1080p
Why do you fill these threads with misinformation?

>>101495243
Holy fuck, that's 7 times more power than it's rated for.
Are all motherboard vendors doing this or just Asus being shit like usual?

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>>101495243

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>>101494840
no monitor upgrade?

>>101495263
Stop noticing things, keep buying Nvidia products.

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>>101495243
W680 != stock power settings
Motherboard vendors go crazy with power

>>101495263
>>101495299
Why do you disbelieve your own eyes? I've heard seeing is believing, but you're taking believing is seeing to a whole new level

>>101495291
>Good enough for an extra goonscreen
lmfao

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>>101495058
I can spank you with PT too, even after owning you with DLSS, KEK

>>101495321
turn off AA

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>>101495348
>oh no, a sign disappeared
>so pt is worthless because i have a radeon card and can't use it
Poor you

>>101495291
Sticking with the same 3 24 inch cheapo 1080p monitors, they are fine

>>101495321
not him but point is not if 4k performance looks better than native 1080p or not, it's to highlight how pathetic shit have gotten
but I guess native is a dead meme and the way forward is to upres from 720p to 8k plus enable frame gen now just to get playable shit on a 3k gpu
back in my day you could render native

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>>101495388
Yes, PT is kinda worthless at the moment with any card

>>101495388
top: 164fps
bottom: 48fps

>>101492525
If money isn't a problem and your main thing is gaming then get a 7800X3D. There really isn't another CPU worth even debating.

>>101492515
Biased ass advice. Zen 4 has horrible igpu and flawed drivers that don’t work well along dGPU. If you like to watch videos or streams on your second monitor while gaming intel quick sync is way better than amd. I bought am5 last year and regret it to this day. Will go back to intel with arrow lake

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>>101495370
You can't be serious
https://youtu.be/WG8w9Yg5B3g?si=_PIgqUMN-3dkEpJQ&t=1046

>>101495402
>back in my day you could render native
Native has been more than dead for about five years, since the launch of DLSS2. TAA killed native long before that. Modern rendering doesn't care about native, and most new games will have reconstruction by default
>There is no option for "no upscaling,"
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/senuas-saga-hellblade-2-benchmark/3.html

I agree that prices (and 450W cards) are absolutely insane. That's one reason that DLSS should be leveraged; if you're focused on muh native, you'll need a 4090. If you're not, you don't, and you'll have 99% as good image quality at a much lower cost

>>101495425
This is what Radeonfriends actually believe

>>101492143
Zen 5

>>101495520
wow AA makes it look so blurry

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>>101495520
We don’t believe it, we literally see how bad it is

Likelihood of an RTX 4070 before the end of the year?

Intel shill...where are you? I bought an i7-14700K because of your fault, I hope you are happy you cunt.

>>101495575
100%, sadly

>>101495520
That FSR 3.1 mod for 2077 is pretty great though. It lets a XTX play with PT on and get good FPS.

Its kinda funny how modders make better FSR implementations then the actual game devs.

>>101495506
> Zen 4 has horrible igpu and flawed drivers that don’t work well along dGPU. If you like to watch videos or streams on your second monitor while gaming intel quick sync is way better than amd. I bought am5 last year and regret it to this day. Will go back to intel with arrow lake

ah so people on amd systems cant watch videos
that sounds terrible

>>101495575
I mean 5070

>>101495594
CDPR small indie dev plz understand.

>>101492115
So AAAAAA?

>>101495601
Yes they can't actually. I'm not the only one. See:
https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/19ef0cn/cant_watch_youtube_videos_while_gaming_on_ryzen_7/

>>101495588
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>101495506
why can't dgpu just decode that stream at the same time?
disable poozen igpu
>>101495520
I just find it odd the top card can't even push 1080p60 on max settings
the 4090 might hit 60fps on 720p render
think about that in 2024 you have to run 720p on the top card to get playable fps

>>101495675
Well Im not an expert on those 3 guys systems
streamed video doesnt take much to decode and various things can be the issue from the browser to ram to bios etc.

>>101495058
The top one looks much better

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>he boughted AMD

>>101495746
Moving the goalposts. First it was
>you're the only one and you just made an error
Now it's
>oh those guys have it too b-but uhh i'm not an export

Fucking off man, you're so dishonest

>>101495838
I own amd cpu and I can watch streamed video
maybe you're just stupid?

>>101495588
So?

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any other small micro-atx cases like the lian li a3?

Hi guys, I've got H1101 Pro with i3 - 6100 that I scrapped from a Dell workstation PC, and I've been thinking of upgrading it with rx 590 8gb and replacing i3-6100 with i5-6600. Will there still be some bottleneck on the gpu?

>>101495853
Asus AP 201
Fractal Terra (expensive)

>>101495608
before end of this year? 0

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>>101495575
If you mean 5070, almost none. It'll likely be released first quarter of next

>>101495566
The definition of sour grapes: can't use it, so nitpick and pretend it's bad

>>101495594
>It lets a XTX play with PT on and get good FPS
Doubt it, in pic related the 7900 XTX is rendering at ~835p before upsampling
>the 4090 might hit 60fps on 720p render
Probably more like 960p, but yeah pretty low. Again, it's amazing that PT runs in real time at all. PT has historically been relegated to animated movies, where each frame is slowly rendered and then compiled

>>101495825
Delusional

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>mfw noob waitfags are not realizing they have to wait for 5070 super, not 5070
be smarter, anon, you should have bought a 2080 Ti for $300 to wait, don't be stuck with your archaic rx 480 or whatever you're usinng

>>101492048
On my local amazon there's a RX6800xt that's currently selling for 380 euros. Is it a better option compared to a rx770xt (which I can get for 420 euros) ?

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>>101496213
> can't use it
But I used it to make these webm to show how awful this is

>>101492048
for $600, whats the best GPU you could buy and not completely bottleneck on a 2600x thats overclocked.?

>>101496303
Damn that LOD being set so close sure looks great. If only we knew the reason why the game might be set like that.......

>>101496286
yes, much

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>>101495833
he purchoowsed amdes

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>>101496303
I'm not saying you don't have an ostensibly RT capable card; I'm saying you don't have a good enough card to actually play with it on. You have a 6800 XT, right?

>>101496347
>LOD: High
Based DLSS equal to native enjoyer

>>101496387
6800xt cannot run path tracing as well as shown in the webm it would be like 10-5fps

>>101496404
It can at 360p

>>101495851
It is going to fucking die

>>101495243
So we're back to blaming high power limits

who is >we?

When are the Zen 5 X3D's coming out?

>>101496345
7900 gre or 4070 super
>>101496588
should be around november but nothing certain

>>101496632
I've never actually tried to buy CPU/GPUs on release, how hard is it to actually get your hands on a just released CPU+compatible mobo? Wanted to upgrade soon, I can wait 4ish months, but if it's a PITA to get the CPU for a while then I'll just get current series

>>101496532
Me and you baby ;-)

>>101496695
mobo doesnt change with zen5. depends on launch, but it seems like amd prepares decent stockpile before release, so it shouldnt be hard. you could probably gauge from the non-3d launch at the end of this month.

>>101496695
>how hard is it to actually get your hands on
Not hard these days. Easily obtainable on launch day

Which is the better 4080 Super: Aorus Master or Suprim X?

I want a reliable computer that will last my entire life. Is it achievable with the modern market? I seek no computing power, I'm still using a gaming rig from 2010.

>>101496746
>>101496747
Sweet, thanks anons.

[spoiler]10[/spoiler]90ti super

>>101496764
Yes, just don't buy Intel 13/14th gen CPUs

>>101494828
>gpu utilization 60% while maintaining a 60fps lock
literally doesn't matter if it drops to 55 in a famously unoptimized game while having settings at max. holy fucking christ nvidiot shills are retarded. disable some bloat gfx settings and you will stay at locked 70fps

KYS

>>101496764
Your entire life? So what, 50 more years? 70? Components as a whole have never been reliable enough for that.
Having every part in your computer survive against time alone for a decade is unlikely, let alone half a century. Fans are notorious for their short lifespans, AIO coolers are supposed to be replaced every 5-8 years, HDDs have a failure rate of 10% per year.
If you want a working computer, it's going to be a ship of theseus in at least 15-20 years.

>>101496695
It's not worth buying a CPU & motherboard (new platform) on/near the release date.
You want to wait for more stable BIOS versions with microcode improvements and reliable memory compatibility. Those first three months or so are paid beta testing.
New video cards are usually safe to buy on release date if you know how to fully seat the power cables.

>>101496812
>>101496912
Well, there's the military market though I doubt the modern ones are really meant to 'last'.
I wonder if it's possible to get some industrial hardware they use at factories and critical systems, but they're not likely to be x86.

>>101494955
>4k
>gaming

LMAO

>>101496751
They're both rip-offs, I'd get one of the mid-range SKUs or even go with the Windforce V2.
Suprim & AORUS both have a 400W power limit, additional VRM component is irrelevant at that power draw because the card is more likely to be voltage limited @ 1.075V (1.1V max).
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/265177/265177
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/265169/265169

Saner options are the Gaming X Trio or Slim (370W limits), Gaming OC, or Windforce OC V2 (385W).
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/265661/265661
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/265036/265036
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/265780/265780
https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N408SWF3V2-16GD#kf

It makes more sense to buy one of the better base-tier 4090 instead of buying a high-end 4080 Super.

>>101497128
The price difference between e.g. Gigabyte Gaming OC and Aorus Master is not that big where I live. On the other hand, the 4090 costs nearly twice as much. Not really comparable.

>>101497249
You might as well get the AORUS.
I'm not impressed with the cooling design of most Gigabyte cards, they just build larger heatsinks and have the fans run at higher RPMs.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4080-super-gaming-oc/39.html

The board component difference between the Suprim and Gaming X probably isn't significant enough to recommend the Suprim in your situation.
ASUS designs good card coolers, but there are QC issues with their automated thermal paste applicator.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-tuf-gaming-with-serial-error-built-in-hotspot-ex-works-material-analysis-and-the-rescue/4/

>>101496632
i think im going to go with the gre and upgrade my while ram-cpu-mb-psu in like, a year.


i was planning on buying a 6800 and a 5700x3d which ive now decided against.

>>101492606
so the lead-free solder isn't absorbing oxygen leading oxygen to enter the further components?

AM5
7800X3D
4080 Super
A single M.2 drive
2 dimms
Will probably keep these parts for at least 5 years

850W or 1000W?

>>101497431
>'m not impressed with the cooling design of most Gigabyte cards, they just build larger heatsinks and have the fans run at higher RPMs.
That's one of the things that makes me hesitate. The Aorus Master is fucking xbox hueg, and I've heard some reports of jet engine-like fan revving on Gigabyte cards that's still not fixed to this day.
Fucking hell, there's not a single good brand making NVIDIA cards, it seems.

>>101497539
850w will be enough.

>>101497539
850W is fine, get a 1000W unit if you plan to carry the PSU over in a new build.
The power draw for higher-end cards is likely to stay @ 400~500W.
https://videocardz.com/newz/seasonic-lists-geforce-rtx-5090-with-500w-tdp-and-rtx-5080-with-350w-16-pin-connector-for-all-rtx-50-models

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>>101497578
>>101497580
thanks bros

>>101497565
Then get the MSI Suprim or Gaming X, avoid Slim if you want to minimize fan noise.
ASUS is an option if you don't mind repasting the card with PTM7950, the coil whine happens to other cards too.
I have a 4080 Super FE and it will emit a noticeable coil whine near max utilization (RT core utilized stress loads).

>>101497668
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>>101497631
Yeah, I'll probably get the Suprim. The temperatures are worse than the other models but are still relatively decent, and it's supposedly one of the most quiet ones.

>>101495630
No, AAAAAAAAA