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First for laptop destruction. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-says-13th-and-14th-gen-mobile-cpus-are-crashing-but-not-due-to-the-same-bug-as-desktop-chips-chipmaker-blames-common-software-and-hardware-issues

>>101497668
Holy fucking spergout retard OP. RTX 2060 are you kidding me? Are we living in 2019?

i5 13500? CPU for retards?

7700 XT and 4070 Super on 1440p? Are we delusional? No we're not and no sane person would suggest this

Not buying a 4090? Are you kidding me? It's the best card

Avoid 970 Evo Plus? Lol product released in 2019, stop livigng in the past

No case recommendations? Kill yourself

Alienware AW3225QF? Outdated monitor for autists

Seriously, kill your fucking self, what a bad fucking OP, total garbage

>shill op rushed in to make his shitty OP
IGNORE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS AS USUAL

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How is it? Yes I know, the 7800x3d would be the same for gaming. But I'm also doing some video encoding and the 7950x3d will probably make the difference on that point (or maybe I'm just autistic)
PSU/Motherboard/SSD are (probably) fine, but I'm scared of fucking up everything with the ram and cpu cooler, just because I want white garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecvuRvR8Uls

one of the finest videos they've ever published specifically because it shows all the different limitations of cpu, pcie generations and vram very informative

>>101497850
It's fine, overspending on the motherboard

>>101497798
>rush in
The other thread was on page 8

>>101497765
>RTX 2060
It's one of the best value cards for the money on the used market, and it'll let you play all but the most recent, demanding games (think UE5) at good framerate and quality, and even then it's still be passable, depending on your standards
https://youtu.be/5PG91BA5g28?si=3Z8Qae-k0fmvHfV4&t=126

>i5 13500?
It's Alder Lake, so it doesn't have the same problems as Raptor Lake, like the 13600K

>Alienware AW3225QF? Outdated monitor for autists
Retard, it came out six months ago, and it's one of the best 4K 240 Hz OLED monitors available

>>101497850
Why not a kraken? Better deal imo.

>>101497850
If you are doing video work the 7950X3D is a major and necessary upgrade

>>101497798
This. OP is a fucking nigger

>>101497765
Aren't clowns supposed to be funny

Biult my PC today. First things first, just want to run memtest but should I run that at stock speeds or with XMP on or both? and which memtest? 86 or 86+?

Fucking retard OP ruining everything

>>101497921
86+, stock configuration if you want to determine if you ended up with faulty modules.
Memtest86/86+ isn't good enough to validate memory OC stability, including XMP/EXPO.

>>101497798
It's the mass reply fag

Look at his mass reply >>101497886

>>101497952
Ok, yeah I just want that to start then I'll get into the stress test stuff later. Cheers

>>101497921
Additional information regarding memory testing.
Run Prime95 Large FFT, HCI Memtest, Karhu RAM Test, and y-cruncher's IMC/memory stress tests (VST/VT3) for an extended time.
You need to set up HCI Memtest properly (one test for each CPU thread, without spilling over available physical memory).
https://sabrent.com/blogs/memory/memory-ram-inspection-testing

I think its gonna be the 7900 GRE

>>101497887
>kraken
I have a bad feeling about this LCD display.

>>101497886
>>101497890
Thanks!!

I've read that the x3D chips heat up more than usual even with a dual tower cooler. I'm thinking of upgrading to one in the future but I only have a single tower thermalright

>>101498025
Great thanks. I've read people asking the same stuff over and over but didn't note it down.

>>101498055
They run hot because the cache insulates the die. The actual power draw is low (~50W while gaming) so you don't need a big cooler to get good gaming performance. I'd suggest a cooler upgrade if you also do frequent multicore work but otherwise don't bother.

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>>101498038

>>101498044
What bad feeling?

>>101497886
>misinfo spreading troll
you should be in jail

So having massive VRAM makes games actually playable if you are on an ancient PCIE 2.0/3.0 mobo

>>101498075
You want to run at least Prime95 Large FFT or OCCT's memory tests and run y-cruncher VT3/VST afterward to stress the IMC.
HCI takes a longer time to catch errors than the above three apps.
Karhu is good from personal experience, but you'll need to pay a license for it.

You need to make sure the CPU is stable before you run these tests, just leave it on default BIOS settings or the Intel recommended power & current limits.
The CPU is involved in all memory stress tests. If your CPU is unstable, you're going to get unreliable memory test results.

>>101498145
In theory, yes.

Arrow Lake will fix everything
Trust

>>101498204
Yup. Gonna spend a while testing stuff. I noticed this Asus board has it set by default to an Asus OC profile and I can switch it back to Intel defaults. Played around for quite a while making sure XMP was enabled. One time switching it on it did fail due to instability.

Gonna take a while to see what this system can handle.

>>101498271
lol yes it will stop the rust

>>101497765
>Alienware AW3225QF? Outdated monitor for autists
Recommendation?

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>>101497882
The PCIe limitations are worth noting, as a lot of anons on a budget are upgrading PCIe 3.0 systems with RTX 4060s. One of the problems with the 4060 is the x8 lane PCIe bus, which is complicated by the VRAM config. I've been recently recommending the 3060 as an alternative to the 4060, now that FSR Frame Gen is decoupled from FSR upsampling. DLSS Frame Gen is the biggest advantage the 4060 has over the 3060, but considering the 3060 was designed around PCIe 3.0 and has a full x16 lanes, it's likely better for someone upgrading an older system.

But if we look at the games AMD Steve tested,
>DOOM Eternal
Only a problem if you're a retard and use Nightmare (which looks the same as lower texture cache settings) >>101491716
>The Calisto Protocol
Broken RT that requires a 12900K or equivalent to play at 60 FPS (not reasonable to pair with a 4060 / Ti)
>Resident Evil 4
AMD's RT lowers image quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHLeHN4kYg&t=465s
VRAM isn't a problem if RT not used
>Horizon Forbidden West
Legitimate problem with 8 GB VRAM, have to lower settings. Worth noting the game is barely playable on the 16 GB 4060 Ti variant with Steve's settings, as it's getting ~75 FPS with Frame Gen, which is only good enough for a controller
>The Last of Us Part I
High textures look the same as Ultra; High just fine on 8 GB cards. Non-issue
>Star Wars Jedi Survivor
FPS too low on either 4060 Ti variant to be playable
>Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty
FPS too low on either 4060 Ti variant to be playable
>Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Legitimate problem on 8 GB cards, have to turn down textures one notch

So of the games he tested, only two (Horizon and R&C) have legitimate problems with 8 GB cards. It's unfortunate that the low end cards suck so much (mostly talking about performance here) and cost so much, but other options in those price ranges have bigger issues than VRAM

>>101498145
It's more about the cut down lanes of the 4060. 3070 for instance fairs better.

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>>101497882
>>101498291
Also if we take AMD Steve's title at face value, that 8 GB cards are holding back video games, this is obviously false. Games should be scalable; that's like saying anyone not using a 4090 and being able to use path tracing is holding back gaming.

The real problem is retarded devs. 8 GB cards have plenty of VRAM available for high image quality.

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Its always about just pc parts but what about desks? I need a new desk too. A desk where my pc will get proper ventilation but also has protection on the ground as I do not wish to accidentally kick (im fidgety and move a lot on my chair) or drop something on it.

>>101498105
AIO totally overkill then huh?

>>101498378
Get some prefitted wood. Screw it to premade legs. Should cost somewhere between 300-500 and will last forever.

If you don't keep your tower on your desk get a separate stand for it to keep it off the ground. Can be just a couple inches high.

>>101498462
Depends how quiet you want your PC to be. I'd never say no to overkill cooling if the budget permits. With that said, even one of those cheapo dual towers can keep a 7800X3D from throttling at like 1200RPM so an AIO would only be necessary for a seriously quiet system. Or, to put it another way, don't bother with an AIO unless the rest of your components are super quiet.

>>101498366
>>The real problem is retarded devs.
they aren't going to get less retarded so the only option is to buy as much VRAM as you can afford

>>101498378
I got my uncle to help me plane some pallet boards and screw them all together. I think I spent like $100 on a 100-inch desk that's deeper than any pre-fab shit you could buy at the hardware store (and you're mom's snooch.)

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>>101496387
These webs were made on a 4090 build, my current build is on a 7900xtx

>>101498291
>>101498366
Maybe if leather jacket faggot spent as much on GDDR6 as he did on you, there wouldn't be a need to rationalize having too little memory on a midrange card.

>>101498025
No shit sherlock

Framechasers has been running Karhu for years

>>101498560
terrible game

>>101498571
intel will have the first DDR6 platform

pc case with integrated water cooling and radiator would be nice

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>>101498291
All of these are actual issues, because these issues don’t exist on a 16GB VRAM version, I understand that you paid for the 4070 meme with 12GB of VRAM which already struggles at 1440p, but that doesn’t mean everyone should struggle as you do, KEK

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My case has these 0.25"-0.5" holes drilled into the sheet metal to form a mesh for the fan intakes to breathe though. Some people have talked about using tin snips to cut holes through these to improve ventilation. Is this a good idea?

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>>101498521
>buy as much VRAM as you can afford
Not worth buying 3090 over a 3080 for gaming.
VRAM is tertiary to performance (as cards mostly run out of performance before they run out of VRAM, e.g., the 4060 needs to use DLSS Quality for a lot of UE5 games even at 1080p), and VRAM is secondary to upsampling quality.

which 4080 Super model is generally the best when it comes to noise/temperature compared to the price?
PNY XLR8 looks decent but I'm not sure about the brand, seems like low tier chinese shit

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>>101498611
>40 fps
Still better than your 7900 XTX
with higher image quality

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>>101498678
> higher image quality
>1080p
Based DLSS enjoyer gone blind, lmao

>>101498667
PNY is a huge OEM and one of the few US-based firms in this market (not that they manufacture in the US lol). You'll no doubt be told that they do the HSF for Quadro cards but don't put much stock in that; different departments. On the whole they're just another integrator in a ruthless commodity market. If the card benches well...

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>>101498726
Weep, DLSS is better than native in Hogwarts

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>>101498756
> DLSS is better than native
KEK, he’s at it again

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>>101498780
Oh no! My $600 card beats your $1000 card in performance >>101498678 and image quality >>101498756 in Hogwarts. How does that make you feel?

And also well known that DLSS is better than native in Cyberpunk 2077 >>101492985, despite your path tracing cherry picks. Too bad you're forced into FSR in all new demanding games. Or do you just play at console FPS?

I've a long running issue with random BSODs for a long time now and after reinstalling windows twice im pretty sure its a hardware issue. I went out an got a 5600x and a cheap B550M to see if it was a CPU issue or a Motherboard issue. I could get both mother boards running with the old 3600 chip but when attempting to use the new 5600x CPU i can't seem to get any sort of video output. BIOS was updated to the latest non beta version i could find for both motherboards. Am i just missing something obvious here? You guys have any suggestions to what my fuck up is?

>>101498892
Use only a single ram stick at jedec speeds and see if anything changes.

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>>101498852
> My $600 card beats your $1000 card in performance
Nope, not even close >>101498726
> and image quality
Nope, DLSS is very unstable during movement and sometimes in stills too >>101498780
>How does that make you feel?
Nothing, beating a 4070 is too easy, especially when it’s out of VRAM by the team we test 1440p
It feels cool when a 7900xtx beats a 4080S tho
> DLSS is better than native in Cyberpunk 2077
Nope, I can beat your spreadsheets over and over with in game footage

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>>101498667
TPU has a roundup. More about model than brand.

>>101498966
>blaming dlss for path tracing again
Out of arguments, I win. Enjoy your overpriced FSR machine

>>101498667
The cooler for the PNY XLR8, not their Verto model, is well-built.
But the vBIOS for that card is extremely tame with a maximum 320W power limit.
You'll need to find a compatible vBIOS from other AIB models like a Galax to be able to overclock it with respectable power limits, this will void the manufacturer's warranty.

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Yet another reason the VRAMemers lost big with RDNA2 and RDNA3. Even the AA Unreal 5 titles will be using Lumen, and pic related isn't even the hardware accelerated pathway

How good of a pc can I build with a $1,200 budget?

Is the RTX 5090 (500 watts) overkill for the Quest 3? Currently have a 4070 super (220 watts) and thinking of the upgrade. The rest of my system can handle the 5090 (7800x3d, 48gb ram, 1000 watt psu with 12+4 pci5 power connector upto 600 watts). Will sell my 4070 super.

>>101499070
Just save more and get a 4070 super / 7800x3d. You won't regret it. You will regret your $1200 system. I do suggest an aio water cooler for the 7800x3d.

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>>101499092
Built mine for about $2000.

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>>101498996
It’s a clear issue with DLSS, you can’t beat facts

>>101499102
In Euroland this would probably cost a $1000 more. The prices are so fucked here. I could have already built a decent PC if I were in the US.

>>101499135
Is it me or is the first pcie slot bracket bent?

>>101497687
>we don't know what's causing issues on 13/14th gen processors
>our laptop chips aren't crashing due to he same issues trust us
>but we totally still don't know what's causing issues in desktop processors
Part of me loves the shamelessness of immediately putting out a statement when it concerns one of your biggest markets (laptops,OEMs) but claiming you have no idea what's going on in a small market like the DIY space or game servers.

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>>101499078
Only you can answer this
Generally I'd say a 2x performance increase is the minimum for a new graphics card upgrade, which the 5090 will provide (at least approximately). You'd definitely have to confirm that you're GPU limited first before upgrading the graphics card

>>101499070
>$1,200 budget
Do you need a monitor? If you have some trash tier monitor, you definitely do.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/m2GJVn
To me, the above is the minimum buy in if you're already at a $1,200 budget. A few hundred more won't break the bank, and you'll have an upgrade path on AM5, which will save you money on the long run if you want to keep up with new hardware standards. If you're stretching the budget to hit $1,200, then an AM4 build will get you closer
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JJQrN6

>>101499110
>overdrive aka path tracing
Do I need to quote TPU again? >>101492985 DLSS is better than Cyberpunk 2077's TAA if you're not using path tracing (which has it's own problems), and you're not, because you bought an overpriced, off brand graphics card. How's that 'muh native' mantra working out for UE5 titles?

>>101499092
I don't think the extra $200 for a 7800X3D is necessary for someone on a budget, unless maybe he's mostly multiplayer gaming

My pc is ancient and entirely obsolete so I am planning on building from scratch for 1440p gaming only. I have decided I would like to build in a smaller more easily portable case like ncase m2 if/when it restocks and use mITX (or possibly mATX, but so far I have really only looked into mITX). So far this is what I have in mind

>Mobo: ASRock B650I Lightning WiFi
This seems to be the lowest risk of coil whine and the only complaint is a WiFi chip which I can easily replace
>CPU: AMD Ryzen 7800X3D
Seems a very good CPU and the low power/heat is a very good bonus
>GPU: unsure
After a very brief look it seems the 7900 GRE looks like good value but I haven't properly looked at all - open to AMD or Nvidia here
>PSU: Corsair SF750
Seems highly recommended and pcpartpicker tells me it will run comfortably
>RAM: 32GB, probably Corsair
Standard selection
>Storage
I'll just go by value
>Cooling
I'll need to look through a load of reviews for the best cooling once a case is definite

Would appreciate it if someone could tell me whether I am being retarded, and also more importantly send me towards some GPUs that will match to the build, bearing in mind heat/cooling will be something I will be focusing on due to size of case. I really don't know anything about the current offerings so even just general suggestions would be appreciated at this point

>>101499200
My thinking is $200 is nothing. Put the 7800x3d in now and a good power supply then later on get a better gpu. If I really only had $1200 that's what I would do. Spend under $300 for an AMD gpu and do good on the cpu.

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>>101499200
> >overdrive aka path tracing
Same issues with overdrive and without, it’s just that DLSS is getting worse over time. You can’t win this argument when both versions have issues, KEK

>>101499222
The 7900 GRE is $50 cheaper than the 4070 super and 15% faster but it can't do dlss so this is your preference. I also don't like AMD drivers myself.

>>101499222
>Seems a very good CPU and the low power/heat is a very good bonus
Mine was too hot on air so I quickly switched to aio. Maybe a better air cooler would be more effective. Mine was an off brand but it had a big metal heat sink.

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>>101499242
Even with a 4070 Super, he'd be GPU limited in single player titles on a 7600 nearly 100% of the time (unless we're considering abominations like Dragon's Sugma 2, which performs like shit on any CPU). A Radeon GPU would be the worst mistake he could make.

>>101499244
No one said DLSS is perfect, only that it's often better than native (like in Cyberpunk 2077). You also can't seem to differentiate between types of ghosting or breakup. I love that this is too hard for you to understand. And what about DLAA? Unquestionably better than native, but you made the mistake of getting a Radeon card

Als iemand die is opgeleid in de elektrotechniek blijf ik mij verbazen over het gebrek aan innovatie bij het voorzien van de juiste voeding voor de steeds hongerigere gebruikers. Gedoe met connectoren die hoge amperages moeten overdragen… Ik zou zeggen stap eens over op 48Volt dan gaat je stroom een factor vier omlaag bij hetzelfde vermogen. Met als voordeel kleinere connectoren, dunnere kabels en minder verlies.

Basically waiting on my vertical mount for my GPU and my build is done, wont have to worry about anything new other than the wireless hub for my lian li accessories when it comes out and maybe 2 more fans.

>>101499357
And a nichts nochts to you too, hitler

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>>101497668
i9-10900T ES QTB0 1.5GHz 10C 35W For H410 B460 Z490 LGA1200

can someone please tell me if I am retarded or the world is for pricing this shit at 130 dollars?

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>>101499278
>The 7900 GRE is 15% faster than a 4070 Super
No it isn't, and the GRE is 30% slower when considering any DLSS title, probably 70% slower when considering the average demanding RT title

is an i3-9100 a good cpu?

>>101499326
He is a poor fag. Of course they are going to be gpu limited given they are the single most expensive component of the build. Like I said they should save more money. But people want it now! So getting a cheap gpu and a good cpu is the best option. Later upgrade the gpu when they get more money.

>>101499377
Literally the first hit when I googled it said it was 15% faster. If not then I yield.

>>101499408
Intel CPU's are literally rusting right now. Look at the other thread.

>>101499374
>>101499408
>>101484922

>>101485363
>>101484977
>for the current processors (13000 and 14000 series), yeah
>for older and future processors, it is not over.
>>101499434
so do you actually want to answer me or just seethe because you cant read that this is a 10th gen cpu?

>>101499408
>good
For what purpose? Not for any remotely recent, demanding games. If you're just looking for web browsing, look into a used Dell Optiplex 3080 Micro with an i7 7700, which is basically an i3 9100 with hyperthreading

>>101499422
>>101499434
Not relevant to a question about an i3 9100 or a 10900T. Only 13th and 14th gen chips above and including an i5 13600K have some systemic problem

>>101499278
Hmm I guess I'll have to compare prices here in bongistan and see, good to know they are comparative though so will do some reading on both, thank you.
>>101499305
Was it just gaming it got too hot for you on? What was the air cooler you had? Just so I can look at comparisons. Size inside the case could be a factor when it comes to choosing the cooling

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>>101499326
> only that it's often better than native
It’s way worse, even in your screenshot he says that they saw the muddy unstable image, but performance was enough to justify the poor image quality for them.
> can't seem to differentiate between types of ghosting
It’s the same ghosting, I understand that when you have to upscale you will be able to notice 1 gorillion issues, but for native users it’s just the usual ghosting
> And what about DLAA?
Still unstable during movement
> but you made the mistake of getting a Radeon card
Nah, I tested both GPUs and 7900xtx is a much better choice, especially for my Linux system where 4090 wasn’t able to run HW acceleration on Steam and I had to disable a bunch of stuff to even launch it, KEK, DLSS in some games was just unusable, I think that DLSS 3 is still unsupported to this day LMAO

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>>101499482
Your webm is an excellent advertisement for DLSS. An old version, basically no visual issues (at least that TAA doesn't already have, and in your webm, the ghosting is extremely minor), and a massive performance boost.

>It’s the same ghosting
No it isn't, retard. One is a repeated trail like in pic related, and the other is fuzzy. The repeated image is an artifact of temporal sampling, and the fuzziness is an artifact of the time it takes for rays to accumulate. You literally are blind if you can't tell the difference, which makes it even funnier that you don't like DLSS, since you already can't see. Maybe you're just imagining all the sour grapes problems you find with DLSS. Believing is seeing, amirte?

>gaming
>linux
This is a (You) problem

>>101499542
as i say to you two botniggers in every thread ALL OF THIS TRASH LOOKS BAD AND NO YOU DO NOT NEED ANY OF THIS

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>>101499092
>Just save more and get a 4070 super / 7800x3d. You won't regret it. You will regret your $1200 system. I do suggest an aio water cooler for the 7800x3d.

I don't need something super good. I got mine in 2019 and it wasn't anywhere near the top of the line then. I'm not trying to run games on ultra graphics settings, I just need something that will run newer games.

I have an intel i5-8400, a radeon RX 580 4gb, 8gb of ram, and a HDD.

>>101499200
>Do you need a monitor?

I have pic related and I have no issues with it.

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>>101499542
> basically no visual issues
>> 4 ghosting images
KEK
> TAA
Even TAA beats DLSS, native is way superior
> No it isn't
It is, I understand that when your monitor is filled with tons of instabilities you will be able to recognise different patterns and stuff, but as a native chad I really see the same ghosting getting more severe as DLSS receives updates and loses the ability to handle movement
> This is a (You) problem
For some reason AMD just werks for me while Nvidia was a nightmare, the funniest thing that FSR FG was delivered faster than the DLSS 3, LMAO

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We're not getting good GPUs again until 2029.
Zen 6 X3D will be peak CPU in 3 years.

>>101499702
>Zen 6 X3D will be peak CPU in 3 years.
Only if the 16 core ccd rumor is real, if true that shit will be good for years to come, also hopefully they can increase ether amount of cache they can glue to it. I'm imagining a 16 core with a 1-2gig of l3 added.

>>101499702
>We're not getting good GPUs again until 2029
Why?

>>101499746
AMD is not competing with nvidia so we'll get fucked in the top end with massively gimped shit from the green company. So 2025 will probably not be great for gaming.

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It's H2 of 2024, and people in this thread are still attaching images or clips of Cybershitstain, Last of Us Part Fuck Off, and Blackmanloop as visual references.
Where the FUCK are the newer, high-quality visual games (with RT) worth playing?
Hellblade 2 Senua's Walkathon doesn't count, the same goes for that Korean/Chang looter-shooter developed on the UE5 engine.

>Just wait® until GTA6! It's going to be amazing!
The single-player content will serve as a long-ass tutorial to ease people into their MTX-ridden online component.
Do not overpay to build a new gaming PC, the games out there are utter shit.

>>101499773
Last time AMD didn't (couldn't) compete we got Pascal which was like the best generation in the last 10-20 years.

>>101499746
The upcoming AMD ones will just be the same shit with lower prices. Nvidia won't have more memory, won't be cheaper.
In 2027 they'll scramble to just release something. Upscalers and meme tech will stop evolving.
In 2029 we'll get something functional.

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>>101499588
You seem confused
DLSS is clearly better than native in that screenshot

>>101499682
If you zoom way in, sure you can see a difference between DLSS Performance (1080p reconstruction) and 4K TAA in that scene. It's minor, and doesn't substantially outweigh TAA's other problems, especially if you're considering the massive performance boost that DLSS Performance provides.

1440p DLSS Quality is better than or equivalent to native in all Unreal games tested in >>101498756, and 4K DLSS Quality is better than native in 3/4. Multiple get ++, so we can say that DLSS Quality at 4K or 1440p is better than native on average in Unreal titles.

This means that Unreal titles (which is by far the most popular game engine, especially for AA titles) should be tested with DLSS On in all cases, while Radeon should be tested at full resolution. Technically, this is still favorable to Radeon, as I must remind you, DLSS in this case is literally BETTER THAN NATIVE. For Radeon to keep up, it would have to be supersampled for instance to 4K, destroying Radeon's performance even more. It's amazing to me that Geforce can provide higher image quality with with a base resolution of 2560x1440 = 3.69M pixels (4K DLSS Quality) than Radeon can do with 3840x2160 = 8.29M (4K TAA or FSR AA). The fact that retards don't understand that Geforce provides MASSIVELY better value is a never ending source of amusement to me

>>101499795
>Do not overpay to build a new gaming PC, the games out there are utter shit.
There are a few games worth playing. I just want to play ER on better settings but also some indie games that are way more demanding than they should be because of UE5 or some other bloated engine. My Steam Deck is not viable anymore for newer games and I'm forced to get a new PC. Sucks but what can you do.

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>>101499798
Pascal GPUs were manufactured on the last "cheap" process node (16nm).
All of NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel are remaining on refined 5nm processes (Radeon/Arc: "4nm", GeForce: N4, 4NP, etc.) because they don't want to absorb the cost of developing & manufacturing 3nm or better chips yet.
GPU prices and value proposition will never recover

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>>101499795
> high-quality visual games (with RT)
Here, path traced reflections, enjoy

>>101499852
>GPU prices and value proposition will never recover
There are rumors of AMD wprkong with Samsung, if their fab ever gets their shit together and releases a decent node we could see the return of cheaper cards.

>>101499846
>I just want to play ER
FromSoftware doesn't give a shit about performance optimizations or providing more meaningful visual enhancements appropriate for modern consoles & PCs anyway.
>That's why I need hardware to brute force its limitations!
Capped at 60FPS for online play anyway, with obviously dated visuals at all settings.

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>>101499832
> If you zoom way in
You don’t have to as when you play at native you immediately notice the issue with DLSS being unstable in games, it’s even worse than TAA.
> 1440p DLSS Quality is better than or equivalent to native in all Unreal
Nowhere close, all the same issues sometimes even more visible, DLSS is like lowering settings basically

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>>101499798
Technically the last time was RDNA1 (no Radeon high end), and the 2080 Ti had street pricing of over $1000

>>101499795
Senua's Saga only has software Lumen anyway AFAIK. There are a few UE5 games with the hardware accelerated Lumen coming out (e.g., Whatever Decendant, Black Monkey Wukong Virus, etc). Alan Wake 2 looked pretty good overall with path tracing, but I though it could have been more complete. Avatar uses RT, and so will Star Wars Outlaws. There are also likely to be some RTX Remix games popping up, like Half Life 2. Personally I'm mostly looking forward to 4A's next game in the Metro series, as Metro Exodus Enhanced was the first game with really good RT.

>>101499856
Remedy has perfect reflections in Alan Wake 2, so I think those mirrors are supposed to be artistic / dreamlike or something

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>>101499899
DLSS Quality at 4K or 1440p is better than native on average
Why did you waste your money on Radeon? Especially when you can't even run new games at full resolution >>101499200 >>101498852 and are forced to rely on the garbage that is FSR

>>101499919
>Technically the last time was RDNA1 (no Radeon high end), and the 2080 Ti had street pricing of over $1000
I mean, prices haven't gone down since then despite AMD presumably competing with the 3000 or 4000 series.

>>101499702
I want to fuck your windshield wipers

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Can I get the toughpower gf a3 850w? I love the way the cable details are illustrated here. It's also the only atx 3.0 spec PSU available here outside of gaymer loki that costs double or thor that costs triple.

>>101500008
why not go corsair for psu?

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>>101499951
> DLSS Quality at 4K or 1440p is better than native
Nah, it’s way worse and it even loses to TAA, it’s clearly visible how bad it is in my webms
> Why did you waste your money on Radeon?
Because it’s begetter than 4080S even and more stable
> Especially when you can't even run new games
The previous game was GoT and the current one is ER DLC, both work at native res, haven’t decided which one will be the next

Thoughts on my upgrade to Zen 4/5? Will likely just get a 9950X instead of a 7950X3D if current rumor prices are right. Need a new PSU as old one is starting to die and need to replace my 7 year old H110i because I don't think it will last much longer.

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more intel cpus, no e-cores!
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-introduces-14th-gen-core-skus-without-e-cores-125w-core-i9-14901ke-features-8-p-cores-16-threads

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>>101500102
Fuck forgot image.

>>101500121
14900KEK

Why are there four cpu female sockets in a 1000w psu but three on an 850w? motherboards dont use more than 2 four pin pcie cables anyway.

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>>101500081
>it’s way worse and it even loses to TAA
That's not what the data says >>101498756, little anon. No matter how many times you claim sour grapes, the only truth will be that DLSS is sour grapes to you

>more path tracing
>that you can't even use
Your future, pic related

>>101500034
Corsair is absolutely unavailable here for the RMx top tier lines, not even Shift. The GF3 1000W looks solid, it's on the top of the PSU list and also has retard-proof markings for me to plug in the cables.

>>101500121
I saw that this morning, then they took down the page for it and claimed it was for embedded systems only. We'll see if it comes to desktops and regular users.

7900 GRE or 4070 Super for 1440p?

nvm just found an RM1000e in stock fuck yes

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>>101500158
> That's not what the data says
Nah, the actual data shows how bad everything is, DLSS is unusable compared to native

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>>101500193
>more path tracing
You have no argument about DLSS. Regardless, a little smearing on far away objects is probably worth the substantially better lighting provided by path tracing

>>101500147
>What are dual socket mobos

>>101500193
first time i turned on dlss i thought my monitor was shit that it was smearing. turning it off fixed it.
i hate dlss

>>101500186
>RMa series
Lol!

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>>101500241
> You have no argument about DLSS
The issue is that you’re trying to defend and losing every time, so I guess both of us know the truth
> worth the substantially better lighting provided by path tracing
KEK

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>>101500174
you're right, according to the ark site. hope they unfuck their cpus before i ever need to upgrade

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>>101499468
PCVR was making it way too hot on air. Right now with an aio at 1% use it is 42c. Room temperature is 75f with the thermostat right above the pc. Here is a pic of the generic cooler without the fan mounted.

>>101500309
Mu friend told me that supposedly they took the page down because they're gonna change and sell it to the DIY market. I haven't looked it up because I can't be bothered and at this point I've basically crossed of Intel for my next PC.

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>>101500351
I have 23 games
You have one (1), and you can't even differentiate between artifacts from path tracing and super resolution in the one you cherrypick
Anyone who wants to see Ray Reconstruction (which is not Super Resolution) in action can look at the original video you're pulling your cherrypicks from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhAtN_rRuQo&t=1385s

It's ironic that the one game you cherrypick isn't even a case where DLSS is actually worse than native, as there are games where DLSS is worse, but one is not Cyberpunk 2077. It's also ironic that you try to argue that one of the best looking games of all time, Cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing, doesn't look good. Just looking at that video again reminds me of just how good looking it really is

>The in-game TAA solution has very poor rendering of small object detail—thin steel objects and power lines, tree leaves, and vegetation in general. The in-game TAA solution also has shimmering issues on the whole image, even when standing still, and it is especially visible at lower resolutions such as 1080p, for example. All of these issues with the in-game TAA solution are resolved when DLAA, DLSS or XeSS are enabled, due to the better quality of their built-in anti-aliasing solution. With DLSS and XeSS you can expect an improved level of detail rendered in vegetation and tree leaves in comparison to the in-game TAA solution. Small details in the distance, such as wires or thin steel objects, are rendered more correctly and completely in all Quality modes. With DLAA enabled, the overall image quality improvement goes even higher, rendering additional details, such as higher fidelity hair for example, compared to the in-game TAA solution, DLSS and XeSS. Also, both DLSS 3.1 and XeSS 1.1 handle ghosting quite well, even at extreme angles.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-xess-1-1-vs-fsr-2-1-vs-dlss-3-comparison/

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>>101498378
Buy something stylish.

>>101500252
alright I'll get the thor 850 its a rebadged seasonic anyway

Does anyone think the RTX 5080 is basically going to be a $1500 RTX 4090 and the RTX 5090 is going to be $1799 plus scalping tip?

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>>101500466
> I have 23 games
You have 1 spreadsheet, I have in game footage, KEK
> isn't even a case where DLSS
It is, as we can see

>>101500259
idk why they shill DLSS when cards are more powerful than before. I didn't need DLSS on my 1070Ti, it ran everything at native. I hate these dumb vaseline gimmicks

>>101498378
You know I've been trying to find a good L-shaped standing desk, but they all seem to have shit reviews. It's extra annoying trying to find one because I need a big one that's like 90 x 80 or something

>>101500526
I think the rtx 5080 will not reach 4090 performance but it will be better than the 4080. I agree with you on the pricing.

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Where even are these nvidia ray tracing and dlss settings? Are they only in the games that support them?

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>>101500531
I have in game footage as well, from multiple games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uON6kH3XTwI&t=208s

How AMDelusional do you have to be to try to claim that Cyberpunk 2077 with PT is ugly? It's just sour grapes, same with your DLSS comments that don't even apply to DLSS Super Resolution because you're too stupid to differentiate.

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>>101500597
> I have in game footage as well
Way less than I do, KEK

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>>101500569
>games that support them?
Yes, but nearly every game supports DLSS these days, and RT is in about half.

>>101500631
>that webm
I win, your nitpicks betray you as having contracted a severe case of sour grapes. I'm bored with you, so this is your last (You) on the topic. Refer to >>101500597 >>101500466 and >>101498756 if you have any further questions

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>>101500658
>post old webm
>he immediately remembers all of the shit he has been through
>concedes immediately
KEK, destroyed

>>101500526
The difference in performance will be huge and the in the price as well.

>>101500817
Sure, just like the massive difference in performance between the 4060 and the 3060.

>>101500837
Those are not flagship cards. They don't care about the lower end users. They want you to buy the xx90 card, so the 80 will be gimped.

>>101500177
7900 GRE if you don't plan to do any AI workloads

>>101501023
>They want you to buy the xx90 card, so the 80 will be gimped.
?
That was my point, that the 5080 will not be near the 5090 so people are forced to buy it, just like the 4080/4090 situation.

>>101501120
I mean the 5080 won't be a 4090 but cheaper. It will do much worse plus less memory. And we know the 5090 will be a huge leap compared to the 5080.

>>101501134
Yea, I don't know what happened but that's exactly the same thing I think will happen.

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>>101500124
You probably want an AIO for a dual 8-core CCD CPU.
I'm not sure if MSI has the better board BIOS, their AM5 boards were known for having (slightly) longer memory training times.
My Z690 Tomahawk WiFi board inconsistently recovers from Windows Sleep mode, even at stock CPU & memory (JEDEC) settings. It fails to recover once every 20 sleep modes.

There are other 64GB DDR5 memory kits with better timings, but I'm not sure if it's worth the premium (extra +$13).
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cMgrxr/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-su064gxlwu60afdesk
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6QcgXL/gskill-flare-x5-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-fx5

You're overpaying for that 750W RMe PSU, RMe units are serviceable at best given the competitive options near $100.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Yp9wrH/be-quiet-pure-power-12-m-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn504
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zF4Zxr/msi-mag-a850gl-pcie5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a850gl-pcie5
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4XsV3C/be-quiet-pure-power-12-m-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn505

>>101500526
>>101500551
NVIDIA already tried selling a $1200, -80 tier GeForce card with the RTX 4080.
It was one of the worst-selling GeForce -80 cards and prompted a discounted 4080 "Super" refresh.
People are mostly conditioned to a $900~1000 -80 tier card, they won't deviate too far from this price range unless there are significant (+50%) gen-over-gen gains which is unlikely.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/324682/watercool-announces-the-mo-ra-iv-radiators-for-200mm-fans#comments
So why don't they just make a PC case where one of the entire side panels is a radiator like this?

>>101497765
stfu retard, RTX 2060 is a great budget option for severely cash limited buyers and third worldies, not everyone is a trust fund baby like you

>>101501314
Get a job.

>>101495009
I'm back. So far, no IPS backlight bleed or dead pixels. It looks really nice compared to my old 60hz ASUS monitor from 2015. The motion is smooth. I'm not noticing any ghosting. The colors are quite vibrant, although the contrast on Counter-Strike Source was a bit jarring. This is really nice for only 110$. However, I encountered a little issue. Note that I am on Xubuntu 22.04. Whenever I set the refresh rate to 180hz in the display settings in Xubuntu, when I move the cursor, the screen goes black for 10 seconds. I don't know if I have not set the right settings in the OSD, it's a drivers issue, or I have the wrong display cable. It came with a Premium High Speed HDMI cable. It might be limited? I got the issue even when setting it to 144hz. I don't know if I will need to have a displayport cable. I am using an RX 6600 as my graphics card.

>>101501445
It's probably a driver issue, what kernel version are you running?

pls help, need advice. >>101499660

>>101501533
What is your budget?

>>101501553
$1,200

>>101501486
Shit. I actually don't know. Right now, I don't have access to that computer, but I am going to make an educated guess and say 6.2.

>>101501553
>>101501565
Come back to us after the Zen 5 launch happens on the 31st.

>>101501569
Updating to 24.04 will *probably* fix that issue. If that doesn't work it's something with xfce/X11.
It's definitely not the cable though, driving a 1080p panel is not hard at all.

>>101501585
What is that?

>>101501304
it looks ugly as shit and it's not needed
an 011 air or torrent would guaranteed cool as well, if not better, or at least within 5% of its performance, while looking 10000000x better.
Don't be a turbofaggot utilitarian, its the opposite of glass sandwich fishtank heatbox consoomers

>>101501595
Next gen of AMD CPUs
https://wccftech.com/alleged-amd-ryzen-9000-zen-5-desktop-cpu-prices-9950x-499-9900x-399-9700x-299-9600x-229/

>>101501594
Alright. Thanks for the help, anon.

>>101501625
I probably won't be buying anything till August anyway. But like I said, I'm not looking for top of the line stuff. The thing that's giving me the mos issues right now is my lack of a SSD.

>>101501565
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XXdyYN

>>101501533
just get a 13600k and the MSI PRO Z690-A, pair it with PVS416G400C6K (assuming 16gb ram is enough for you), and enjoy maximum gameplay at totally sane prices
dont skimp on the ram it makes quite a difference especially in online shooters ive seen it firsthand. alternatively get PVS416G400C9K and use the 3600mhz profile it'll show up in the xmp settings, but i reccy the 4000 one because ddr4 has matured fully and you should enjoy the best you can get at these cheap prices

just look up these prices its cheap af compared to AM5 no need for ddr5 memes just yet and the 13600k is a safe bet

>>101498667
you already had an answer for this question last thread, the XLR8 is good and its temps/noise are excellent.
I can vouch for this as I own the card, like >>101499044 said though if you want to overclock you'll want to flash another VBIOS (it's a 5% performance uplift if lucky silicon for 100w+ of power consumption).
>seems like low tier chinese shit
get a Strix and fuck off then

>>101501646
Understood. Will gaming be the most intensive thing you use this system for (i.e. no 3D modeling, 4K video editing, etc.)?
I STRONGLY recommend you aside ~$180 of that $1200 budget to upgrade your 24" 1080p@75Hz for a modern 27" 1440p High-Refresh Screen. After getting an SSD it's probably the single component that will improve your computing experience the most as you look at it 100% of the time and will appreciate the clarity bump and larger screen and resolution real estate + added animation smoothness/lower latency of going above 75Hz (it's night and day). Keep the 24" monitor as a side display for open tabs/chat/music playlists/etc. Currently the best price/perf displays are the Dell G2724D & AsRock Phantom Gaming PG27QFT2A.
Review: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/g2724d
Currently $180: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-gaming-monitor-g2724d/apd/210-bhxc/monitors-monitor-accessories

Review: https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asrock-phantom-gaming-pg27qft2a
Currently OoS but should come back at ~$160: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824028007

>>101501662
I should mention that my current motherboard is a B360M BAZOOKA (MS-7B24).

Have computer prices gone up? I got my current pc for ~$600. I was hoping that building one myself would save me money and also be a learning experience.

>>101501753
>Will gaming be the most intensive thing you use this system for (i.e. no 3D modeling, 4K video editing, etc.)?

Yeah and I don't even play games with max settings on. The main game that gives me issues is Crusader Kings 3, it takes 30 mins to start up and my disk goes to 100% for a half hour after a trun it off. Also it lags really bad in the late game because of all the extra characters making decisions, I think that's a processor issue.

>>101501757
>Have computer prices gone up?
Pretty much across the board. Storage is cheaper I guess. AI and buttcoin drove up gpus, motherboards are just silly, ram is almost twice what you would expect. CPUs are fairly decent feels like they are down a bit.

>>101501023
If this was true then why didn't they make enough 4090 cards. Obviously many people couldn't get a 4090 and had to settle for the 4080.

>>101501887
So they can jack up the prices.

>>101501887
Because they had to choose between making $2k 4090s or a workstation card that retails at $10k

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>>101501780
This is my example build for you:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cyTG9c

Keep in mind you are probably best served checking the price crawler rankings on:
https://bestvaluegpu.com/
When you get closer to ordering time as prices flucuate majorly daily and for new GPUs are typically throwing you in a tier below what you can get use (but you can filter by both new and used separately). Also the prices for CPUs may shake up after Zen 5 launches at the end of the month.

As a general rule of thumb if you are principally gaming you want to throw at least half of your total system budget (excluding peripherals like the display) at the GPU as games are almost completely GPU-bound and then use the remainder to just build a system around it that just won't bottleneck the GPU's power. The 12600K is older but still won't bottleneck the 7900 GRE which is perfect for 1440p gaming, and importantly it can be run on a cheap motherboard with cheap DDR4 RAM. You can Min-Max off $50-100 if needed by only getting a 1TB SSD, cheaper cooler, cheaper case, etc.

Again just save this as a guideline and see how prices shake up in August when you are ready to pull the trigger.

I snagged a secondhand 3050 from a friend who used it for a month for $120. Was it a good purchase? I keep seeing people dunk on the card. I just need it to play Dota

>>101502074
8gb ram? an okay buy.
6gb ram? eh could have gotten one cheaper.
>dota
sure, it'll work.

>>101499165
>>101497687
Intelaviv does what it does best
Deflecting

>>101502129
It was the 6gb version.
>Could have gotten cheaper
I guess it's not all that bad, it'll be a great replacement for my 1030
Thanks anon.

>>101501989
Thank you.

>>101501304
because only idiots buy intel and waste electricity like that.

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MSI B550M Pro-VDH - $109
ASRock B550M Phantom Gaming 4 ~$109
ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 ~112

Which one should i buy for 5 5600(X)?

Advanced Features
None
Use LVM
use LVM and encryption
Erase disk and use ZFS (experimental)
Erase disk and use ZFS with encryption (experimental)
Enable hardware-backed full disk encryption (experimental) *I will have to reboot and enter the bios to enable SECURE BOOT

help me choose.

>>101502593
i got the asrock x570 phantom gaming 4, for my Dad's machine, got the same cpu as you for him.

>>101501984
But nothing has changed. It is still the same decision.

>>101502732
I also got this board for my own 5900x and rx6950xt build.

The only negative so far is the wifi modules are stupid, so I am getting pci ones, and there is no usbc, so my Antec 416L will have a useless usbc port on top, unless I get a pcie card for it, and I probably won't.

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>>101502732
>asrock x570 phantom gaming 4
200 dollars :(

>>101502764
:(

I got it on Prime day for $130

Is it possible to have one PC control another via direct connection over ethernet or some other physical link? I'm used moonlight to do this over wifi/internet, but I'm interested in having one main PC be able to do it to others without internet/wifi.

>>101502593
Is this a replacement board? If not, the only AM4 chip worth considering right now is the 5700X3D off Aliexpress. I wouldn't start a new build with a non-X3D AM4 chip. Alder Lake gives more all-around performance for a budget/DDR4 build if gaming isn't the sole concern.
That said, of those SKUs you have listed:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=9SIAN0MJ9R0795%2C9SIADFRKB00990%2C13-157-935
The Phantom Gaming 4 non-MATX ($112) has a higher-end audio chipset and 6xSATA ports (vs 4 on the others).

>>101502784
well, vnc???

>>101502784
Of course you can use remote desktop on your own LAN.

zfs with encryption. is this a bad idea?

>>101497765
>7700 XT and 4070 Super on 1440p? Are we delusional? No we're not and no sane person would suggest this
I have a 6700 XT and a 1440p monitor and it runs games very well. I expect it to last for at least 5 more years. You're just a faggot consoomer who needs to buy product and get excited for more products.

Is there any issue with getting an I7 12700 in current year? Are there meaningfully better options for the price? I guess I'd like to avoid post gen12 intel.

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>>101502811
> Is this a replacement board?
it's my first build ever
> Aliexpress
my cuntry has been sanctioned. only local overpriced grey market is possible

>>101502868
Dang that sucks dude

>>101499702
>2029
I don't think my Polaris system can hold out that long though.

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Do you guys know what the fastest DDR4 ram is (2 x 16gb) ? I just know Samsung b-die is good, but theres like 1000 variants, don't care about the price.

>>101502856
unless you are doing 1080p with a 4070, you don't need more than a 12100f, but you will get like 30% more fps in certain AAA games like cyberpunk or dogma 2 if you get a CPU with 6 cores, but you could get a chinese xeon + mobo + ram for $70 with like 20 cores that runs similar to the 12100f in those very specific games, but worse in other single threaded games.

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Newfag here, what's a good ssd heatsink? In my haste to build a new pc I forgot to buy one.

>>101503008
3600 cl14 for Ryzen
4800cl17 for rocket lake

>>101503035
The one which goes with your motherboard, dude. Don't buy something else.

>>101503059
you serioualy use a heat sink with your m.2?

>>101503183
I don't use m2 at all. They both just stay in the box since I am fine with sata speeds.

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Is the PSU overkill for this build? First time builder so very clueless. And is the Intel stock cooler sufficient for a 12400F?

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Can you recommend a minimum PC configuration that will allow me to play Total War Warhammer 3 smoothly and without melting, at 1440p/60hz (if the game engine allows it at all)?

>>101503035
>>101503059
>>101503183
Depends on which mobos and which SSDs. Some PCI-E 4.0 and definitely 5.0 drives run massively hot. If you have a higher end mobo, it may come with heatsink covers for many M.2 slots that may be fine, but keep in mind you will probably need to use some sort of thermal pad that is usually included with said mobo. There seems to be different opinions if you need to
>A) remove the thin label like the pic there on the front of the SSD, and/or remove any labels on the back especially on a single sided (ie chips only on one side of the PCB - most of them)
>B) use different types of thermal pads in thickness depending on single or double sided SSDs etc
so 'm curious which anons find favorable.

As far as aftermarket SSD heatsinks, look into the particular SSD you're using to see if it runs hot or not, and where it will be mounted on your board and its loc or coooling etc...and if you decide its a good idea to get a heatsink, they're pretty cheap. You probably want either
>Arctic Cooling (a couple variants that are effective and low profile
>Thermalright (quite a few options, active and passive, all relatively cheap)
and are both on Amazon and the like . One other thing you want to keep in mind is
>thermal pads
Either coming with your mobo or if you buy an aftermarket heatsink, you'll need to have some sort of TIM between yourSSD and the heatsink. most default pads aren't that great but are good enough, but if you have the cash you may want to think about either
>Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad Extreme Expensive as fuck, but high performance. I would not suggest it for SSDs for the most part because the cost makes it not worthwhile
>Arctic Cooling TP-3
Almost or equal to MinusPad Extreme, but a lot cheaper and more accessible. This is the one I suggest

In any case, it will be cut-to-size, so make sure you have an Xacto-style knife or similar to make accurate sizing for your SSDs. Good luck!

Realistically, when will the next mid to high range GPUs be released?

I thought my GPU dying would be a good thing letting me quit gayming but after two months I'm starting to miss it hard.

>>101503359
5080 should launch in late 2024

>>101497668
Has anyone ever messed with lenovo mini computers with like the M920? I'm curious about one to use for media server stuff, but I have to wonder if a tiny box with a 6 or 8 core I7 couldn't run hot as hell.

>>101503364
Can you give Jensen a call and ask him to bring it forward?

>>101503376
gaming is actually a massive waste of time so you could see what other things you can do in the meanwhile
like read books, finish that anime series in your backlog

>>101503305
Excellent, thank you.

Recent and upcoming laptop iGPUs are actually good aren't they? For 1080p that is.

>>101503381
>gaming is a waste of time
>have you tried watching tranime instead?

>>101503381
>Enjoying yourself is a waste of time
Playing every waking hour or using all your leisure time on gaming is bad yes but there is nothing wrong with switching off your brain to enjoy simple entertainment sometimes. That helps people relax and reboot.

>>101503404
check out geforce now

AMD GPU prices are insane here in eastern EU
all the advantage of RX is out the window because every tier is basically 50-100 euros too expensive
I can get a new 4070 super for ~660 for somewhat decent model or a 7900 GRE for 645 for nitro+, but they're on par with pure rast performance and nvidia has all the other advantages of all that proprietary bullshit they got going
also I'm scared of GRE for the extremely high power usage at idle/video playing
how shit would a 3070 rtx 8gb be for 1440p gayming? I can get a used for up to 300 euros, which is less than half of what I'd pay for a new 4070 super 12gb
is the 8gb ram from 3070 a no go for QHD?

>>101503461
If you can't tell the difference bwtween nvidia ht&l frames and nvidia, nvidia is the clear winner. Lots of shitty frames. Like Golden Corral, lots of unimoressive foodn

>>101496896
nothing to do with shilling nvidia as it was not even mentioned, simply mentioning that it can't run ER 1080p 60fps locked as you can tell by my pic, it's not even running 60fps average
as such it's an obsolete gpu
sorry your gpu is old, bro
>>101497078
it's 1080p gaming, that was the point, in case you don't understand 1080p DLSS performance renders from a 1080p native, frame gen adds 50% fake frames, 4090 running at maxed settings at 1080p gets 50 real fps
this was the point
sorry I had to spoonfeed your iq, bro
>>101496213
>Probably more like 960p, but yeah pretty low. Again, it's amazing that PT runs in real time at all. PT has historically been relegated to animated movies, where each frame is slowly rendered and then compiled
since you missed the reply chain here I will reply
the fact that DF said that full RT even looks worse in some places in the game while tanking FPS truly makes this a meme setting at this point
experimental crysis maxed settings

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>>101503461
>eastern EU
pic is prices in belarus 1000 = ~310$

1440p buttery smooth Neverputt

>>101503500
similar prices to what I see in Lithuania, the radeon cards that should be competing with respective nvidia cards by offering same pure performance for 50-100 cheaper without the dlss and other supports, now cost the same if not more, and not provide anything extra except extra watts in your bill
born to built, forced to nvidia :(

>>101503499
loooots of unremarkable food, golden corral

I'm building a completely fanless, passive cooled open case set up to play high end emulation. Why? Because it would be cool.

I've been looking at the intergrated Ryzen CPUs, mainly the 8700G. The performance seems adequate up to Xbox 360 emulation via Xenia, which is what I need it to do.

I don't know if this will be the most cost effective way for performance. But less parts are very appealing to the build because passive heat sinks are massive blocks of metal, and minimalism is also appealing.

What I am unsure off is where to go from here. Single thread CPU performance is the main requirement of the build. But an APU also requires a good bit of RAM and maybe up to 8000hz DDR5. This is not that cost effective. Do I need to rethink the APU route? I am not against a dedicated GPU.

Also what motherboard should I use? I will also need a passive cooled power supply. Any kind of input or advice would be welcome. Thanks.

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>>101497886
>X670E
>It's fine, overspending on the motherboard
I've just replaced it with this one. Is it still okay?

Gamdias a good brand? It's them or Montech.

>>101503591
That all sounds fine in context. I wouldn't personally go all the way up to 8GT/s on the RAM since you're very much at the mercy of the silicon lottery at that point. Something in the 6400-7000 region would do fine. Running a dedicated card would also be tricky since they don't make strong fanless cards - basically you'd need to replace the cooler with one of those aftermarket ones (Morpheus, Accelero) and tune it to run fanless.

>>101503681
I mean, Is overclocking possible?

Do windowed 1600x900 games looks fine on a 1440p monitor ?

splitgate is 22.9 gb installed

why

>>101503798
Montech has a good track record as far as reviews go, unsure about Gamdias

>>101503958
well it will use a bit more than 1/3 of your screen space

>>101503218
it's not even worth buying lower end psu as there is barely any cost savings going outside the sweet spot of psus and it's not overkill if u want better gpus later

any cooler is pretty much fine all thats gonna happen is throttling if anything, stock coolers are annoying because small fans and noise, but shittier performance too obviously

but consider the following, for a 8% increase in price (60£) you can swap to a B760 riptide mobo and 2x16 ddr5 6000 ram, the mobo has a clock gen which can oc the 12400f from 4.0 all core to 5.2ghz all core (it now beats a 12900k some times), a 30% minimum performance increase
you should prolly buy a dual tower air cooler for this too
this is the actual value of buying a 12400f right now, but anyway

>>101503958
>windowed
fine and tiny
>stretched
shit and wide

>>101503387
can't even outperform a shit end dgpu but kind of impressive while still being shit

>>101503681
That looks like an expensive cooler for the task

>>101503958
I tried playing like that, it looked like complete shit even with upscaling

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Looking to buy a cheap keyboard for my PC, and I'm about to pull the trigger on a Dell KB216. Anything else that's better at this price range that I should consider?

>>101504030
>I tried playing like that, it looked like complete shit even with upscaling
Doesn't that depend on your GPU?

>>101498366
yes indeed anon 8GB has been fine since *checks notes* 2017! after all why should technology improve? just use the good ol reliable stuff!

>>101504115
For me, anything with standard travel keys would be better but that's personal preference. Really there's not much difference between those cheapo rubberdome boards. Go ahead and buy it if it has the features you want - if it breaks in 6 months, well, you're only out 20 bucks. Hell, if you're flat broke you might even try getting one for free from a recycling centre or tech club. Mine had a whole crate of the things that they'd thank you for taking off their hands.

>>101504125
oh wait my bad didnt see the windowed bit, I was playing it full screen
Whether it is playable or not would depend entirely on the genre. Don't see how the GPU might affect it.

>>101504158
I've been on laptops for many years now, so I'm going for a slim-type to get used to using a keyboard again. I'll be happy if it's serviceable for a year, then I'll look for something higher quality with my experience.

>>101504178
Don't newer GPUs have better upscaling? I thought it was supposed to be a very important feature.

>>101504115
>I love cheap keyboar-
>pressed multiple keys while gamin- *BEEP*
>oh it doesnt have full nkro
>was*BEEP*
>I love cheap keybo*BEEP*
yeeeeeeeah

>>101504191
If it's windowed it's still a tiny window on a 27", possibly even a 32" monitor

Are you sure you mean "windowed"?

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New Cards fucking when, do we really have to wait for 2025?

>>101498204
>>101498282
Ran memtest86+ over night, about 6 passes. All good. Currently running Prime95 large FFT with intel defaults and stock DDR5 4800.

I guess after that I'll switch on the Asus OC profile and test again, then switch on XMP. Or should I just switch both on and test?

>>101504191
as long as you have RX 6000 series or RTX 20 series or above you have access to the latest upscaling DLSS for nvidia FSR 3.1 or AMD

>>101504242
yep, although 5090 in October maybe

Can we expect Zen 6 to have it's flagship 16-core CPU to have a single CCD rather than dual/split CCD's?

>>101504242
do you own a 4090? are you waiting for a 5090? in this case it makes sense
if not, you are a fucking retard
>>101498204
>>101504245
Jewfus says the only legit ddr5 mem test is karhu since all other stress tests can pass but karhu will crash unstable ddr5 while all other remain stable in comparision

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>>101504115

might find cheaper

>>101504288
Oh yeah, it's half as cheap, thanks. But is it worse than the Dell?

>>101502593

msi has vga connector if you go amd g processor

>>101504278
>karhu
yeah I'll get to that eventaully, but I think it requires a license. I'm gonna run the machine through a whole bunch of stuff I'm just starting here.

>>101504298

is poor, leg fell of like the minute it was placed on desk

>>101504242
amd is releasing the non-xt 7700, 7800 and 7900 before that

>>101504242
It looks like it with rumors of 5080 and maaaaaaybe 5090 later in the year. Fucking suffering here.

>tfw have a 1080
>figured I'd buy a 4090 after a few months once the price drops
>it doesn't drop

>>101504298
my k120 survived over a decade before my nephew destroyed it last year trying to grab onto it when he slipped

So having lots of case fans is really only necessary if you want a quieter build, right? Since more fans can push more air at lower rpm? Otherwise 2 intake and 1 exhaust is enough?

>>101504411
same boat here. ive already built a 7800x3d system and just slapped the 1080 in it until the 5080 releases.
cbf trying to jew it up this time.

>>101504411
We told you to fucking buy last summer when the 4090 was 1499. And guess what, they still didn't depreciate in value. LMAO, sad!

>>101504443
this depends on case. Better ones will get by with 2 intake 1 exhaust even in high-watt conditions, as long as they are 140mm

>>101504443
the airflow depends on the cases front door design, if its open the fans will get more cool air to the components. 2 x 140mm fans wont be an issue unless the door limits the airflow

>>101504443
>>101504456
basically just try it out, if you feel you need more you can usually add a 4th fan later (again depending on case)

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>>101504195

>>101504411
>it doesn't drop
People found that you can put 4x 4090s in a case with NVlink and they'll perform just like those expensive Pro GPUs.

>>101504470
nothing to do with fat fingering, have you ever used a keyboard that can't handle keypresses while trying to play fps?
it's the worst part about bottom end office keyboards that are inherently shit
it's actually retarded

>>101503499
as you can see from my pic, it can run it 1080p locked 60fps easily. sorry you bought overpriced gpu and need to justify your purchase by shilling it 24/7

>>101504499
>>101504432
that was me and i used it to play everything from cs 1.5 and starcraft to wow and path of exile and hundreds of other games without any wonky shit happening

I think you just have to worry about nkro?
Starcraft pros with 600APM were playing with the cheapest samsung membrane keyboards that were $5 each

>>101504523
https://www.mechanical-keyboard.org/key-rollover-test/

AM I A GOON

>>101504523
Riven is now a vr game. and they are calling 3d "2d". yes actually.

I would play sideacroller Riven, actually

"shopping" on yt is a bunch of fat women in lingerie on my new machine

>>101504542
nta but yeah it's somewhat overrated. Nice to have, and should be expected on any gaming board over $50, but it'll seldom make the difference on its own.

>>101504592
Dont look up shopping see through clothing anon

>>101504550
i have a ducky mechanical now so its moot
the k120 was 6kro

>>101504574
:10bux:

>>101504614
:toxic:

democracy now is surely the shittiest show ever. I can't even get mad, they are an automated parody system

You guys should give LSFG 2.2 a try it's pretty awesome. I was a non believer at first but it actually works. I now use it all the time for YouTube and Helldivers2.

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>>101504721

>>101504819
it's on youtube, that old dating app

>>101503018
Absolutely disgusting. 12100F will never in a million years compare to a 13600K, regardless of resolution.

>>101503500
At this point just drive to Germany and buy something there. Or use a service for international packages.
https://www.mailboxde.com/

>>101502593
None, fuck B550

>>101502593

What this >>101504893 anon said. B650 motherboards are just as expensive as B550 now, so what's the point? And you get DDR5

Get with the fucking times

>>101504513
false, it can't hit 60avg or 1% lows
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Elden-Ring-Spiel-67687/Specials/DLC-Shadow-of-the-Erdtree-Technik-Test-Hands-on-Benchmark-1449840/2/

>>101504523
it all comes down to the keyboard if it's retarded or not, price not related
I accidentally bought a shit one ages ago and was quite suprised that actual shit ones like that still exist, caught me by suprise

>>101504542
nothing to do with price, I bought a mechanical with cherry reds and it did not even have sufficient nkro and start beeping at limited keypresses, literal fucking shit, suprised shit like that still exist
we are not even talking about full nkro here, you can survive with just some more keypresses, but not even that, start beeping at limited keypresses

>>101504594
>it's somewhat overrated
you have never used an actual SHIT keyboard to hold this opinion

>>101504605
>the k120 was 6kro
I have a keyboard with supposed 14NKRO and it starts beeping and locking up keys at way less, it's the shittiest keyboard ever
and it also died during a power outage
literal false marketing and total shit

Is a used 3 month old G2724D for 200 EUR good?

Changing jobs and old work doesn't let me keep or buy the dull HP FHD office monitor I use as 2nd to my LG 27GL83A? The Dell will take the 1st place and will have the LG as 2nd one. I don't really care to have completely the same colors and everything.

>>101502868
MAILBOXDE SHIPS TO BELARUSSSSS

>>101504940
Of course not, a new one costs €235 in Germany.
https://www.dell.com/de-de/shop/dell-27-gamingmonitor-g2724d/apd/210-bhtk/monitore-und-monitorzubeh%C3%B6r

>>101504986
You could tell them a million times, people here are stupid and poor. They will never do it

>>101504605
I tested the supposed "UP TO" 14NKRO keyboard again, Since I have a copy of it
and it's actually just a 6NKRO in reality
and 6NKRO is simply not enough for gayming, it's a a beeping piece of shit
that's all

>>101505015
Interesting, will try to order from there.
Where I am at (Austria) new ones start from 290 EUR on first search

>>101505026
>>101504470

>>101505042
Yeah this monitor is one of the few products you can buy cheaper on the manufacturer's website, or in some cases it is not available at all from other sellers.

I just bought new msi 4070 super card and it has arrived today. The seal on the box wasn't present but the seal on the antistic bag is intact but the bag seems off to me as there isn't any msi logo or anything. Is it possible someone could replace the bag and tamper with it?

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7900 XT at $669, shipped and sold by Amazon. Am I missing something here, or it seems like it's actually really worth it now?

>>101505079
>>101505079
>>101505079

>>101505068
Thank you kind anon, think this solves my problem.

Are the prices of 7800x3d going to go down soon with the 9000 series coming out? I'm looking to build my first pc and I'm a NEET so the budget is tight

>>101504605
one more thing to add, I test my current gaymen laptop on the nkro test and its idk how much 16+ easily and lo and behold, I've never had a single retarded beep or lock up in comparision
>>101505066
never ever buy a shit tier 6 NKRO keyboard, it's fucking useless garbage
literally not even for typing

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I figure someone might get a kick out of this.
>building second PC, last was ~10 years ago
>familiar with all the parts and how they fit together
>no idea where to start
>everything goes to the mobo, so put mobo in first
>non-magnetic screwdriver, so it's a pain
>PSU gotta power it
>RAM's easy. Click, Click.
>CPU next, right in the socket
>now for the water cooler...
>What's this bracket?
>unscrew and remove 9 mobo screws without a magnetic screwdriver
>attach bracket behind mobo
>rescrew mobo
>3-fan water cooler radiator is a bitch to top-mount by myself
>one hand holding up radiator, other hand carefully balancing tiny screw into hole before switching to screwdriver
>thermal paste, mount WC to CPU
>start wiring things to mobo
>...where does the fan go on the mobo?
>check mobo manual again
>DIRECTLY under the wc radiator, both ports blocked completely
It's been 5 hours and I'm taking a break. On the plus side, I think I know how the rest goes and there shouldn't be anymore setbacks. But man, there's been a slew of dumb problems, like my WC having all the labeled baggies being wrong letters and then missing a baggie (turns out that bag's screws were pre-installed, despite keeping the step in the manual), my PSU failing the power test before I installed it (turns out the "Hybrid Mode" button has ON meaning off and OFF meaning on), my dumb brain seeing the front USB 3.0 plug's notch doesn't match the mobo's USB 3.1 plug and thinking they can't work together, trying to figure out which side of the power switch plug is + and which is -. But I'm feeling confident now. Apart from unmounting and remounting the radiator, the last bits should be easy.

>>101505088
Its probably gonna go up as amd shifts production to zen5 and zen4 stock dries up because zen5 (70.6mm2) costs as much or slightly less to make than zen4 (71mm2)

Hello every1
(°ᵔܫᵔ°)

Here is my Australian build - would ideally like to keep it around the $2k mark (monitor inc.) so any tips would be appreciated. All prices are in AUS $ and inc. shipping. Primary uses are productivity and reasonable FPS gaming.

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K ($296.10)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Edge 69 CFM Liquid ($137)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 PG Riptide ATX LGA1700 ($249)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 ($95)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($197)
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB ($595)
Case: Montech AIR 903 MAX ($125)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650BN 650 W 80+ Bronze ATX ($78)

Wireless Network Adapter: Intel AX200 M.2 ($40)
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ3A 27.0" 180 Hz ($369)


Total: ~$2182

First build so any tips, shoot. Thank you.