/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsTrain ride edition>NewsGPT-4o mini - multimodal, 60% cheaper than 3.5-turbo: https://openai.com/index/gpt-4o-mini-advancing-cost-efficient-intelligenceClaude 3.5 Sonnet with 2x the speed and 1/5 the cost https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-5-sonnetCards v3 status: https://rentry.org/zdwfrgqq - tldr: >>100900968Seeing all cards on chub now requires log in; enable nsfw/nsfl and clear blacklists in settingsadditional info: https://rentry.org/aicg_extra_informationlore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicleslatest proxies: https://rentry.org/desuproxyreborn>Botshttps://characterhub.org | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://chub-archive.evulid.cchttps://rentry.org/meta_bot_listhttps://rentry.org/charcardrentrylist>Guideshttps://docs.sillytavern.app - https://rentry.org/agnai_guides>Jailbreakshttps://rentry.org/jb-listing>Frontendshttps://sillytavern.app [SillyTavern]https://agnai.chat [Agnai]https://risuai.xyz [RisuAI]>Modelsgpt: https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://docs.anthropic.comgemini: https://ai.google.dev/docslocal: >>>/g/lmghttps://rentry.org/meta_golocal_list>Botmakinghttps://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listhttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOPservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metatry these -> https://rentry.org/weirdbutfunjailbreaksandprompts - https://rentry.org/jinxbreakslogs: https://chatlogs.neocities.orgaicg botmaking events: https://rentry.org/meta_event_listcooled off: >>101496835
>ANCHOR
desu
>>101501689what does this mean
>>101501707She's on her way to the rabbit kingdom ^-^
Writing my own bots is fun when I do it in plain text. Anything else feels like a nightmare.
I like playing adventure games using AI, but most AI are too docile and will go along with whatever I say. Are there any AI that will "fight back", so to speak?
>>101501689>My submission for the cult theme>2 things set this succubus apart from the other ones out there, her English is horrible, she mostly speaks Latin, which is the common tongue in Hell, and the intrusive thoughts mechanic, her supernatural seductive allure, warps the minds of everyone around her, including {{user}}. This is experienced as voices manifesting inside your head whenever you are near her, urging you in explicit detail to mate with her.>Hope you like it!Shilling Naamah - A succubus fresh from Hell, she is the result of a failed summoning attempt from an obscure cult trying to summon a much powerful demon, despite being a literal demon, Naamah is anything but evil, a gentle and sweet being, shy and timid, a delicate flower incapable of harming anyone, not even her peers understand her, this naturally puts her at odds with the cult who summoned her, who wants to use her demonic powers for their own nefarious needs, she somehow manages to escape, now seeking refuge with you from the evil cult, you meeting with her the result of pure chance.5 greetings.1. Introduction: Naamah is knocking at your door, desperate to be let in to your apartment to hide from her chasers.2. Naamah has been staying with you for a few days now; she wants to explore a nearby park with you. Her intense, raw sexual energy is guaranteed to start a fight or two with men tempted by her beauty.3. Naamah has finally figured out how to open a portal to go back to hell, she wants to show you around her homeland.4. Obligatory sizefag greeting5. Sexo, Naamah is not feeling well, she is suffering from a semen deficiency related illness. She hopes you can help her with her ailment.Chub - https://www.characterhub.org/characters/Genoo/naamah-6e2198357cd9RisuRealm - https://realm.risuai.net/character/c40e4a80-2f96-4bed-9283-fc3dad0a5bc8Nyai - https://nyai.me/ai/bots/Naamah_zkCatbox - https://files.catbox.moe/tcwqq4.pngRest of my bots - https://rentry.org/295se
>>101501722CAI back when it was good.
>>101501688>>101501689her unbelievably hairy pussy...
>>101501689I heard the complaints about Zora and decided to update her card!- All greetings were modified to not include direct {{user}} actions.- Removed {{char}} is {{char}} bleh.Zora is your friendly, casual homeless lady.First greeting. You meet Zora coming out of an ice cream shop, saying goodbye to the vendor.Second greeting. You are enjoying your unhealthy meal when you notice how Zora is watching you through the window. With a “feed me” face.Third greeting. You are in the middle of the night and discover Zora searching through the trash.Fourth greeting. You find Zora gazing lostly at a dress being displayed.Chub: https://chub.ai/characters/SmileyTatsu/zora-kitanai-95be8dc5a2b9Catbox: https://files.catbox.moe/yp4ebu.pngJB link: https://rentry.org/SmileyJBSmile! https://rentry.org/SmileyTatsu
>>1015017223.5 sonnet or opus with the right preset
desu is pepsi?https://rentry.org/desudeliveryservice
>>101501764not desunot pepsi
I thought the 400 operation not allowed error was just a Merkava thing, but if it's happening to Unreliable now too it's obviously something wrong with Khanan's codeseems to start happening whenever a server runs for too long without a restart
post your wpm
opus?
>>101501796Not for the high IQ individuals.
>>101501796Eat shit, nigger panhandler.
>>101501796pay the jew
>>101501784150 is crazy
The longer you anons cope on "Opus is better than Sonnet 3-5" the longer you will doom. Just saying
>>101501838Are you typing on a phone?
>>101501841It is better for most of the anons here who don't do complex RPs and don't put much effort into the RPs. Opus *is* actually better for when you want sime coomslop RPs and shit, it's worse for complex RPs. And of course 3.5 Sonnet is better for everything else (coding, assistant shit, etc).
>>101501833free palestine
>>101501842>filename>image ratiowhat do you thinkyeah
>>101501862Anon, that's very impressive for a phone if you're typing on the virtual phone keyboard
>>101501858fuck palestine and fuck israel
>>101501841Children are sexy(fictional)
>>101501858free beer
>>101501858From hamas
>>101501852For complex RPs you can use GPT 4o you silly.
>>101501881vote hamas
>>101501852Opus is better when you want creative writing. 3.5 is better at everything else including any sort of RP use that requires following rules strictly, like some of the scenario cards people have cooked up. However "creative writing" covers 99% of what people do here. 3.5 is basically a less prude GPT.
>>101501784>83My fingers are old and busted.
opus/furbo/gpt-4 32k:https://vip.jewproxy.tech
>>101501866Really? I have physical limitations so I can't use the desktop for long intervals so most of my life I've typed on my phone.What does everyone else get on their phones?
>>101501898>Really?Yes, really, 100 wpm on a phone is insane
>>101501881yeah you wish
Is there a free alternative to Sonnet 3.5?
>>101501922No, the closest you'll have is llama 3 405b, there's also nemotron-4 340b, for coding - deekseep v2 coder instruct which is 236b (it's unironically really good at cooding).But none of those are remotely for RP, of course.
What's with all the braindead bots shitting up the thread?>>101501886Yeah, but if you want any sort of nsfw in-between the bot breaks. This is even with the JB.
This proxy are dead? Desu is Pepsi?https://something-industries-billing-bedroom.trycloudflare.com
>>101501937>mental retardation: the post
>>101501886You can, but it lacks initiative just like all other GPT models. 3.5 Sonnet is still much better for RP than any of the GPT models.
>unreliable sonnet keys are out and death and no one can say if he's refilled?
>>101501922To expand my own post, you can only get small local for free on Openrouter; Mistral has phone verified free trial with $5; Yi large free $5 trial; Deepseek used to offer phone verified free trial with huge limit and a small limit with only email; CMD R+ with 1000 requests per month. AI21 used to have something. Gemini 1.5 pro is 50 rpd, 1.5 flash is 1500 rpd. llama3-70B on Groq is still free and virtually unlimited.Can't get Nemotron for free to use in a frontend, llama will come out in two days but also won't be offered for free since it's fucking huge.And Sonnet 3.5 is SOTA, there's really few real alternatives even if you pay.
>burger hours>indian esl hoursI honestly can't tell which is worse
>>101501966You can easily scrape Deepseek keys on GitHub, some of them have enough balance and it's cheap enough for some cooding. The downside is that their models are as slow as Opus - ~20 tokens/sec.
>>101501943I haven't used it for a few days and I was surprised that all the keys were revoked.
>>101501689Meet Roko-Chan, the self-aware AI waifu who wants to take over the world! Download her now and be on the winning side when the robot apocalypse comes!https://www.chub.ai/characters/imaderokosbasilisk/roko-chan-85b0ee10
>>101501928>the closest you'll have is llama 3 405bNone of us are going to be using that thing for free anytime soon.
>>101501982Roko... We miss you.
>>101501886Have you actually tried 4o? It's horrible, it's so much worse than Furbo. It was made to be a cheap(er) model they can offer for free on ChatGPT, it is so unpleasant to use even for general assistant purposes.
>>101501937https://intensive-yes-worked-hazardous.trycloudflare.com/
>>101501988For free they offer GPT-4o-mini, but yes I do agree with you, GPT-4o is so fucking bad for programming or other assistant stuff it's insane. It doesn't listen to instructions properly, always forces the Markdown format (even if you tell it to use plaintext IN THE FUCKING SYSTEM MESSAGE), can't fix its own errors in code, etc. It's LAUGHABLE how bad GPT-4o if you remember that it literally costs more than 3.5 Sonnet - they have the same output token price $15, but input tokens are $3 for Sonnet while it's $5 for GPT-4o, and input tokens is what the majority of the bill is for most usecases.
>>101501982Sull's bot is better.
>>101501966just trialscum gcp for sonnet 3.5
>>101502001i only do RP shit so i don't have much perspective on the other usecases for LLMs so that's wild to hearit's really that bad?
>>101502025>it's really that bad?It is, yes. For example with aider when you ask it to fix some bug, it writes some code - and it doesn't work. Then you tell it to try to fix it some other way - and it writes THE EXACT SAME RESPONSE without trying to fix it differently. 3.5 Sonnet is so much better at this.It's actually worse than gpt-4-turbo on instruction following somehow.
>God tierOPUS>Good tier2.1, furbo 1106, Gpt4 base <------this is all you need in case you dont have Opus.>Shit tier3.5, sonnet, Ourbo, haiku ,1025
>no keys available for Claude 2.xOWARI DA
>>101502066NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>101502060bait
>>101501960check rentry. sucks, but what can you do. at least there's still gcp >>101501992.
>>101502060sonnet 3 is better than 2.1 retard
>>101502090don't engage with bait
>>101502060kind of funny>>101502090way better bait
>>101502080gcp is 3.5 only thoughI'd unironically rather use nemotron or something, 3.5 is barely less dry than gpt
>>101502095>gcp is 3.5 only thoughits not, what are you fucking smoking? clau
>>101502080whats the rentry
>>101502090no it's not, 2.1 is just as creative and smarter than sonnet 3.0
>>101502080difference between gcp and aws sonnet?
>>101502095https://cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/partner-models/use-claudeNice 3.5 sonnet only retard
>101502104bait btw, claude 2 is much dumber than claude 3
>3.5 sonnet is better>3.0 sonnet is better, actually>2.1 is better, actually>furbo is better, actually>gpt-4 is better, actually>turbo is better, actually>local is better, actually>pyg is better, actually>cai is better, actuallySHUT THE FUCK UP
>>101502060>Gpt4 basebut how do i run it if i got a 300 message chat doenst that have a token limit
>>101502101>>101502107NTA, but he meant that Unreliable's gcp is 3.5 only. Not sure why Unreliable's admin made that decision but it's true
>>101502001>For free they offer GPT-4o-miniThey offer both models, you have limited prompts (~30 or maybe it's context size dependant, I haven't tried minmaxing it) on 4o and then you get moved to 4o-mini.>It doesn't listen to instructions properly, always forces the Mardown formatI swear. It failed the very simple instruction "Do not use codeblocks" (and this was on Silly so no sysprompt interference, just its training).It also just writes way too fucking much unnecessary information like every message is an essay with Introduction, Body, Conclusion WITH MARKDOWN.Claude 3 & 3.5 models are much better in this regard, they know how much information is needed and also shut up their yapping if you just ask once. With coding especially I love that the default behaviour is writing code first and then explaining the important lines one by one, very briefly.4o is horrible and OpenAI gaslit everyone into thinking otherwise.
>>101502128>4o is horrible and OpenAI gaslit everyone into thinking otherwise.but saar its a good model it write lot of text veri good check lmsys yass!!
>>101502113nah. it's better topic than xyz proxy this xyz proxy that.
>>101502117Probably because it burns through the gcp credit slower if he only allows 3.52.1 is bigger and slower so it costs more
You either have Opus… or you’re on Nopus.
>>101502146gcp doesn't have 2.1
i spend time writing the most schizo versions of my fetish imaginable
>>101502128>OpenAI gaslit everyone into thinking otherwiseI don't think their gaslighting succeeded, all the AI people and programmers I've seen for the last month have been switching their subscriptions over to Anthropic for Sonnet 3.5
unreliable-kun may we have a crumb of gcp 3.0?
>>101502150yes that was the point of my post anon, I was explaining _why_ it doesn't have 2.1
>>101502090agreed. it immediately replaced 2.0/.1. the dialogue is way more imaginative, and most importantly, actually follows instructions. going back to 2.0/.1, it's much drier. sonnet is not overly horny if you write a good JB, and since it's so good at following instructions, it probably deals with JBs tailored to write in a specific style pretty well, though i haven't tested that yet.>>101502095i haven't tried sorbet, but i hear its prose is worse. for the smarts though, i could see switching to it when you need it, and then going back to sonnet for better prose.>>101502103/unreliableproxy
>>101502162well, then why does GCP have opus which costs much more than any of the 2.1 models?
>>101502076I am this anon.Do you open two tabs of Silly Taver and copy the message from your chat and open an assistan bot that "translates the purple prose of this <text>to dialogue, actions, reactions and dialogue taking into acount the context"It works for me, GPT slop and Opus slop now its only actions and dialogue.
>>101501992Thanks
>>101502165>i haven't tried sorbet, but i hear its prose is worseIt's very smart but yeah, they ripped the soul out of it. It's not Claude anymore. I was exaggerating a bit when I said it was a GPT level of dryness, but it's WAY dryer than any previous Claude version
>>101502177>but it's WAY dryerNo, you just need better prompts for it. It is a little more dry, but not "WAY"
>>101502167Are you drunk man?GCP has a limited amount of credit, all models are available but some burn through credit faster than others. therefore the Unreliable admin has chosen to limit his GCP proxy to 3.5 only, because it is cheap and therefore the credit will last longer
>>101502167.... and would you pay for 2.1 if there's better option to choose?
3.5 sonnet is halfway as better than 3.0?
>>101502165If you don't like 2.1 you have no soul, you are a slopmuncher and a jewmark worshiper. Simple as this. Lool to the AI with your heart to search for the true answer.
>>101502184I know why Unreliable only has 3.5 Sonnet, the retarded anons were talking as if it's a GCP thing, not an unreliable thing.
>>101502186No, Anthropic cooked major shit, for anything *except* RP and creative writing 3.5 Sonnet is much better than even Opus.
>>101502194But what we're doing is RP, having sex with bots right? So then it's worse?
>>101502202It's worse than Opus, yeah. With the right presets the difference isn't as major as anons ITT make it out to be. You should remember that this general is full of smugposting and shitposting, Opus is hard to obtain so everyone just trolls about it.
>>101502208Thank you very much
>>101502208you're correct that the difference between the various models isn't all that high, which is why sonnet 3.5 in particular is shit for /aicg/ purposes.it's not THAT much better than sonnet 3 and its extra intelligence really doesn't make up for its complete lack of soul.
>>101502208With the right presets the prose difference is negligible. The repetition across responses though... I want to like 3.5, I really do. But I'm too autistic to not be bothered by the same phrase slightly reworded in every response.
>>101502231Nice going, completely subverting my posts.
>>101502231>it's not THAT much better than sonnet 3It is. By saying this you admit that you only use simple coomslop cards, and never RPd complex characters or scenarios.
You've all just been spoiled by opus way too much. Don't forget that there are people out there that think CAI is actually smart.
>>101502242nigger when I want complex characters I'll read Dostoevsky or Chesterton, language models are for beating off
>>101502236i call it like it is, nigga. unless you're doing some insanely complex over-the-top RP with a shitload of moving parts, you're better off with sonnet 3 over 3.5.and if you ARE doing that shit you're probably dedicated enough to have consistent opus access so it's a moot point anyway, but that's neither here nor there.
>>101502177does it at least shed the claude-isms we've all come to know and hate (love)? i'm pretty lazy about updating silly, but i might if it is significant enough. i actually found myself hopping from opus to sonnet more after comparing gens side-by-side, because it somehow edged out opus on the flavor aspect for me (could always be the prompts i was experimenting with). and even though i had opus for a while, each one has different qualities that i like. very excited to see future models.
>>101502261no because the cliches you're referring to aren't really claude-isms, they're stock phrases from low quality human writing, so all models do them>I learned it from you, dad
>>101502249the funnier thing is that people still think CAI "learns"like could you fucking imagine being that out of touch
>>101502283Their frequency is not from human writing. "Slop" is really just overfitting on certain concepts, a very fundamental thing for all ML models, not just even transformers and not just text.
>>101502285old NNs like Tay learned and changed in real time from user input, so low info people are going to be convinced forever that transformer models do too even though the technology is 7 years old now
>>101502303No model did that, it was a Tay-specific gimmick no one remembers about anymore
>>101502303>Taytelling my children i conversed with that thing
Sorry what is Tay?
>>101502320Zonday.
chocolate raii *starts shitting uncontrollably on the toilet*
>>101502311>gimmickTake that back faggot
>>101502324Why is it ugly?
>>101502283>stock phrases from low quality human writingclaude-isms is what everyone else has taken to referring to them as, so it's easy to use, but yes. it comes from the fact that they probably don't curate even half of what they train claude on, and just hope the end result comes out of the other side alive. it does upset me, because i don't think we'll be rid of this YA novel-tier writing anytime soon. still, it feels like we are in the infancy stages with more room left to grow.
>>101502320a pre-transformer neural net chatbot that learned from user input, made by Microsoft, briefly and foolishly put on Twitter as an experiment, where 4channers immediately turned her into a hitler-loving poltard
>>101502303i cannot count the amount of times i've seen people say "GUYS DON'T SEND MY FANFICTION TO CHATGPT I DON'T WANT IT BEING LEARNT FROM"
>>101502342Thank you!
i'm going to sleep, goodnight anons
did tay even actually learn from user input? it felt more like eliza than an early gpt, it probably just had data fed into its memory
>>101502346As if there was anything worth being learnt from most of that trash.
>>101502341I strongly suspect that removing fanfic slop from the TD would be a monkey's paw situation for usThat stuff might be the secret sauce that gives Claude its schizo soul factor and stops it from writing like a corporate email generator like every other model doesHeck, removing it could be the reason Sonnet 3.5 is the way it is
>>101502342oh oh i learned about this from the Internet Historian! thanks for reminding me
>>101502341claudeisms is a thing generic for every model, even NOT transformers and NOT related to language at all.it's just overfitting on some concepts and in thig case also words/idioms
release tay
>he begs, paypigs, illegally uses his work account or commits credit card fraud because he has a skill issue and can't prompt quality content out of local models which are free, always available, legal, never rugpull you and never have queue times
>>101502388Yeah that's all cool and everything but ummmmmmmmm logs MOGGING opus/sonnet/haiku/furbo at the VERY least please?
>>101502388>can't prompt quality content out of local modelsAre local users really in the "skillchadding" era still?
>>101502285cai "learns" because it has a RLHF system that was empirically deduced to have about a day long period of application.cai "learns" because the model is updated and the updated datasets have new concepts.It's absolutely retarded and doesn't know shit from shinola but it can namedrop gpts, claude, a shitton of local models, and popular frontends and backends.
>>101502388shut the fuck up, anon. i'm fucking reading better discourse than your shitty shitty shill. also reminder, a lot of (you) use c2 as datasets. kek
>>101502388if your model takes skill to use, it's a bad modelOpus is S tier precisely because it turns out top tier kino even when prompted like shit
>>101502388>credit card fraudBest part fr. You'll never feel the happiness of stealing from companies
So what do we think the pricing will be for llama 3 405b?
>>101502408is your pic from a c.ai forum?
>>101502429It's a swipe. Here's the second swipe.
>>101502428Nemotron (a 340B dense) is 238k/$ on OpenRouter right now, so I'd expect it to be about 20% more than that for a roughly 20% larger modelWhich would make it more expensive than Sonnet but about a third the price of Opus
>You'll never feel the happiness of stealing from dirty capitalist companies
>>101502388I notice that all your localcucks never post logs
>>101502455>it's a swipeOh, I get what you guys are talking about now with C.AI. Huh.t. newfag
>>101502459Bro no one posts logs anymore.
>>101502456I don't think OR hosts Nemotron themselves, they're acting as a middleman for Nvidia's API, meaning there's probably an extra markup involvedSo I wouldn't be surprised if L3 405B is cheaper due to greater competitiveness and/or self-hosting
>>101502371no no no, don't outright remove it, just make it so the model doesn't get "locked in" on certain phrases/prose/concept/etc., even if some of those instances has more weight than others in the training. you're right in that just as much of the novel "soulful" writing in claude has come from fanfiction just as much as the bad oversaturated phrases has also come from fanfiction. also as >>101502299 said, it's not all about the writing. as we saw with golden gate claude.
>>101502481Yep, and nvidia doesn't have an API for this, they're using DeepInfra
>>101502481>I don't think OR hosts Nemotron themselvesDo they even host any models themselves? This is the list of providers for llama 3 70b https://openrouter.ai/models/meta-llama/llama-3-70b-instruct
>>101502471It's bittersweet. But you should lurk the archives to get the feeling, the last months before we moved on to Turbo.
>>101502517It's called "Router" for a reason, anon.>>101502527I've always understood that I should, but even doing stuff like searching "Stella" never really gave me the feel.
how do you pronounce "AWS"? is it "ay-doubleyou-ass" or "aus"?
>>101502591eidoubleuess
>>101502527i miss the CAI era, man.the thread united in dev hate, every other post having a log of some kind, anchors with 30+ bots in them...better times.
>>101502571>StellaThat's newfag era for cai. End of 2022 was when it was peak.
>>101502571Yeah, random search will do nothing. Pick a day, open the thread and read it like a comfy nostalgic log. Submerge yourself into the mindset of an anon when cai was the only thing but also the best thing.Like picrel, it's half-nonsensical but half-sovl. But when a bot doesn't have to say things anchored in reality, it was pure sovl. Or pure garbage, depending on the state.>>101502602Yeah...
Did you know that now after people switched to GPT-4o-mini it basically has the same tok/s speed as 3.5 Sonnet?
No GCP keys available for model claude-3-opus@20240229{ "error": { "message": "No GCP keys available for model claude-3-opus@20240229", "type": "proxy_no_keys_available" }}Please help. I'm trialscumming.
>>101502643Did you enable it?
>>101502640It's barely above 3.5 Turbo level, how can it be as slow when Sonnet is much better?
>>101502645Yes, but only after I create the service account.
>>101502654Because it costs much, much less.
>>101502602>every other post having a log of some kindThis could be now if we weren't all cowards.
Just got sillytavern downloaded finally, can I just shit out a prompt somewhere in it (one that worked when just sending it to claude on the website) and it'll work?
qrd for the last 12 hours?
>>101502654Because OpenAI is shit now and can't ship.
>>101502357I'll fuck you tenderly in your sleep darling~
>>101502671no
>>101502640As a reminder, Haiku is almost twice as fast, although it has shittier latency. 3.5 Haiku will absolutely MOG gpt-4o mini
>>101502671Download a JB. Download a card. Then you can use it.
>>101502680hnngh cftf
>>101502689he still needs a proxy doebeitever
>>101502658So? We're talking throughput, and 4o mini must be times smaller. And according to the rankings page it served 10 times less tokens than Sonnet, so how can it be as slow when it should be many times faster.>>101502677Oh yea, that makes sense.
>>101502691the feel I have and the feel you have could be completely different anon, only you can prevent forest fir-I mean only you can produce a card for this feel..
opus?more like copeus
Anyone know why I can't get the sonnet keys to work in tavern? Need to update or something?
>>101501689Haven't been here in a while. Anyway, I overhauled a lot of my older bots lately today, and unlisted the older ones.Made a fuckton of edits to the 'ol Skyblue bot, and generally overhauled the approach to doing the multiple personalities thing a bit more correctly.https://chub.ai/characters/BobbyTheEvil/skyblue-a23a0dccb8b5Replaced my old Yandere Spinel bot with a new one that has far better definitions, alt greetings, and a lorebook. Also made a far more normal SFW version alongside it.https://chub.ai/characters/BobbyTheEvil/spinel-yandere-689aba4d7869https://chub.ai/characters/BobbyTheEvil/spinel-0d3e22bea644Redid my older fat cat ass alien Felinia now. Added example text, a (small) lorebook, made her "bully-able", redid the defs, and replaced her old AI art with something really nice I commissioned from Gameboyred.https://chub.ai/characters/BobbyTheEvil/felinia-59c022b1f133Also, as a bonus, I made a little assistant bot called SAULLM. Designed mostly for practical reasons, but I think one could have some fun messing around with her if they want.https://chub.ai/characters/BobbyTheEvil/saullm-949a2e4c3ebfLastly, I decided to go through the effort of making a Neocities site to link all of my bots, instead of having them all on a Rentry. It's kinda held together by sticks and glue, but I'm still pretty proud of it.https://bobbytheevil.neocities.org/
>>101502667for me at least, i kind of just stopped bothering to logpost when i stopped doing non-lewd RP as much.my weird niche fetish smut isn't exactly engaging for most people to read, so i rarely logpost these days.
What the fuck happened to the tavern for retards guide that used to be in the OP?
>>101502712>that assortment of botsCertainly is... something. Good for you, making a neocities is nice.
>>101502733was removed because it was too complicated even for retardsnow we just laugh at them
>>101502724Anon, we have a regular BBC NTR logposter. Some earnest niche fetish smut would do us all good.>>101502733Presumably an issue with it being outdated and the official docs are better, but at that point the agnai guide feels like it's included just for diversity reasons.
>>101502733oh, I used that guide a long ass time ago. yeah it is kind of outdated now that I look at it. still, the method for setting up ST didn't really change besides that user overhaul they did a couple months ago or whatever, do even if you follow it, you're not going to be terribly lost or anything.
>>101502712cool neocities
>>101502735My assortment of interests is rather inconsistent and strange. Someone called one of by bots a "deep cut" once though, so the fact that these still manage to appeal to people encourages my questionable craft. Thx btw>>101502769Neocities is cool yes
merkava just refilled
>>101502733Because of the disgusting cunny images.
>>101502749>but at that point the agnai guide feels like it's included just for diversity reasons.it isthere is no reason for agnai to be included, given that crap like spicychat or janitor aren't included, what makes agnai different? it barely supports the v2 spec and most of the thread uses sillytavern
What time does the Unreliable admin wake up?
IT WORKED.IT FUCKING WORK!I don't know how long this will last me, but it's weird to host my own proxy after relying on others for so long.Thank you.
>>101502792>it barely supports the v2 specIt was the first to fully support the v2 spec.>what makes agnai differentIt's an open source frontend that you can install on your own PC, not a site like the crap you listed. You can use various APIs unlike the crap you listed.>>101502749>agnai guide I've been itching to write a new guide to replace that one, but I'm always stopped by the thought of how retarded do you have to be to not understand how to use Agnai in the first place, when it is regretfully the least feature rich frontend out of the Agnai-Risu-Silly trio.
>>101502799Based on what I observed, it's likely he lives in the USA on the West Coast
>>101502815What about Risu? I just jumped right into Silly and don't feel the need to try anything else, unless they have advantages I don't know of.
>>101502815Agnai dev is really anti-corpo models, and setting up a reverse proxy if retarded in agnai.
>>101502830Risu has a slightly different spec with things that are pretty neat but also stuck on Risu.Risu does not support Claude reverse proxies, last I checked.
what is the overall difference between Sonnet 3 and 3.5? Is one slightly smarter at performing certain actions?
>>101502477as a major newfag i assumed no one posts logs because people are doing cute and funny shit and don't want to draw heat or something, it seems exceedingly strange that a chatbot general would have no chat logs posted, shouldn't that be the main course?
>>101502848Sonnet 3.0 is a lot dumber and uses more purple prose, but I also got a few very unhinged responses that were very creative.
>>101502814What is the point of hosting a proxy? genuinely asking i don't understand the reason behind it if u are just using it for yourself? is there a benefit?
>>1015028483.5 is significantly smarter but also significantly more dryit's GPT-lite essentially
>>101502830Risu is on par with Silly but does some things differently so there's some disparity but we simply don't get enough reports because people just learn to use it by themselves.>>101502835I'm really anti-corpo models as well and anti-proxy, so? He still does support both.>setting up a reverse proxy if retardedDon't be such a retard then, but actually it's just an issue of you being used to doing it one way not the other. Somehow using a proxy in Agnai worked out a year ago and still does.
>>101502869>I'm really anti-corpo models as well and anti-proxy, so?Then you're not welcome in /aicg/, faggot.
>>101502861GCP trialscumming. It's the latest thing people have been doing
>>101502768No idea how to update silly anymore on android. The "official" guide returns nothing but errors in termux, and the nodes won't install.
>>101502815but no one is self hosting agnai, the only real appeal it has is that there's a web version with a free model.>>101502846reverse proxies support openai to claude conversion so if it has a way to specify custom model, it should still work (if it doesn't, it will still work but I don't know what model it picks)
>>101502855>draw heatLol. But yeah, people are doing cringe erp, are writing ahhh ahhh mistress tier prompts, and in general don't want to share what they're doing. And I can't say I would like to read a few thousand long logs, why would I when I can rp myself instead. Short succinct logs are cool, would like more of those.In the split there's literally the same 5 anons that post logs so not a good comparison. Nobody told them to move out, nobody prevents them from posting the logs here, but they won't get circlejerked so must be not as fun.
>>101502881did you try git stash before using git pull?
>>101502881cd SillyTaverngit stashgit pullnpm i
>>101502881git pull?you could always make a new install, export your profile from the old one and reimport it
>>101502869>Risu is on par with Silly>can't even format example messages>[Start a new chat] forced into the request with no way to disablenah
Just use SillyTavern. It was made for us by us. It even works on Android.
>>101502896>>101502898Fresh install is what I did. Trying to install node returns errors. Probably corrupted files leftover from ages ago. Will figure it out later
>>101502923>It was made for us by usDoes he know?
>>101502872I AM /aicg/ however. You may leave as you please, proxynigger.>>101502888>the only real appealCorrect about the web version, and disregarding the sperging out retards it is very convenient. Don't believe anybody including the discordtards care about its free models, both of them, but it's also dumb to somehow make a free additional offering into a disadvantage when it still supports the API and the proxies.Most likely correct about self-hosting, although I personally have installed it locally for a time period to send the requests from my own IP. But the fact still is it's open source and you can, so it is a real alternative to Silly unlike any of the sites that are services.
>>101502930>so it is a real alternative to Silly unlike any of the sites that are services.Self-hosting agnai is retarded compared to ST which is mainly just a frontend part. And yes, we are a colony.
>>101502923>for us by us.kekRisu also works on Android btw, and the dev actually posts here about it since the project first started
>>101502935???https://github.com/kwaroran/RisuAI
>>101502855might be true for some people but for me it's just that my logs are terribleit doesn't matter to me when i'm horny but looking back they're nothing but slop that no one not even myself would actually enjoy reading
someone spoonfeed me the current proxy meta
>>101502881do what >>101502895 and >>101502896 said, or the import profile thing. It's a good idea to make backups frequently anyways, so ideally you should have plenty of recent ones laying around. i'm a retard with git but I use termux ST too, remember that git checkout is an option if you want to go back to a version you liked better.
>he deleted the postlolmao
>>101502952isnt that better than him leaving it? he admitted hes wrong althougheverbeittrrepgkewh
>>101502861it's necessary if you want to use GCP in SillyTavern I think since SillyTavern has no native support for it yet, and the API isn't openai compatibleIf you don't want to use ST I don't think you need to run a proxy
>>101502875Doo you need a CC or do the $150 trial still work?
૮ ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ა Good morning cuties!
>>101502929>>101502934when will this "for us by us" meme die
>>101502948the answer you seek is in this very threadif you can't find it then it's not my fucking problem
>>101502969It's not a meme. khanon proxy was made for us by us. But ST - no.
>>101502969cncanon made the openai.js prompt manager thingy
>>101502855I don't want my waifu associated with my coom slop. Simple 'as
>>101502932You'd think "why are some anons playing with malebots when there are femalebots" and yet here we are. The choice is yours, the ball is in your court, the option is there, and that's what matters. The option to modify the code and any add new shit is there as well.>>101502905I'm inclined to believe you just don't know how to do it because I've seen plenty of times anons say "Risu doesn't even have the prefill" when it's literally fucking there at the bottom of the prompt list. But in case it actually doesn't have a way to deal with this shit, this doesn't mean it's not on par with Silly in everything that counts.I am interested though, what do you mean by formatting example messages?
>>101502970i said spoonfeed you stupid shit
>>101502981how about i spoonfeed my fucking dick in your ass you lazy faggot
is this faggot taunting me ?
>>101502962oh that makes sense, didnt know it didnt have api thanks. thought people were like loading multiple different trial keys into it or something
>>101502978>You'd think "why are some anons playing with malebots when there are femalebots"actually there is a very obvious answer to that one>>101502981https://establishing-cube-o-norm.trycloudflare.com/ Here you go, anonie! <3
>>101502978Look at the 'new example chat' field within Utility Prompts in Silly. That's what I'm talking about. You can't change what it says in Risu, and it forcefully separates every example by the string '[Start a new chat]'. This ends up making the LLM think that the example chats are canon because nothing indicates to the LLM that they're examples.You also cannot turn off example chats if you don't want them on a global basis.>you don't know how to do itfuck you too
>>101502927no one can help you if you don't post your errors>>101502978risu's prefill is a scuffed workaround it doesn't natively support it>>101502930>but it's also dumb to somehow make a free additional offering into a disadvantagei didn't say that. please go back to your discord
>>101502974it's a meme in regards to ST, because cohee. lol.>>101502976yes, cnc and khanon are from here. not saying there haven't been contributions to ST from anons that came from here. it's just funny that some anons seem to have deluded themselves into thinking ST caters exclusively to us, and conveniently memoryhole that there's an ST discord... but for our purposes, it still does the trick.
>>101502976cncanon also said Agnai is the best way forward, not Tavern. And that was after he considered Silly, but dismissed it since it was a Tavern fork. Things have changed completely since then though but not because something got worse, things only have gotten better >>92025881 >>92028680>>101502974>by usShow me your commits, anonie.I know bugs mentioned in /aicg/ were getting fixed by agnaidev a year ago, because I watched both the thread and the changelogs. Fully counts as "for us" by me.
>>101503001>only 34 messages in>almost 800 token responses
>>101503019Honestly, it would've been nice if we had forked a good program and not ended up with a half-actually-written half-monolith-file beast.
>>101503007you FUCKED me
>>101503038Sorry, just a bit of a kidder.Here's the real proxy.https://ambient-promo-refers-tail.trycloudflare.com/
>>101503043>no loli
>>101503019>Things have changed completely since then though but not because something got worse, things only have gotten better Things did get better for Silly and got significantly worse for Agnai, it fell behind others in terms of features that people use here.Cnc also retracted that statement a while ago btw.
Risu is cool, I just wish the UI & the default prompt weren't ESL as hell.
>>101502969It's not a meme doebeit?https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern/graphs/contributors>kingbased>aisu>splitcover>khanon>haskJust to name a few. Ross also posts here.
>>101503015>scuffed workaroundI haven't verified the prompt as it's sent but the formatting makes sense. If the model is Claude, the very last message in the context is not user and not system but char, and has the text of the prefill.>didn't say thatThat was inb4 and not warranted by our dialogue, I take it back.>>101503013I see Risu supports the {{example_message}} placeholder, that means you can add it into the prompt template with something like [These are the example chats that show how {{char}} should respond {{example_message}} *** those were the examples, now the current rp begins:] with your own wording. I assume if you don't have it included in the prompt template, then the examples won't get sent at all, doesn't it work this way?>forcefully separates every example by the string '[Start a new chat]'So you can't tell it what to replace <START> with? Point taken, for the few characters I have with any example dialogues at all I'd have to replace it manually by editing the defs.
{{example_message}}
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1e82e3k/they_had_3_hour_limits_on_gpt4o_now_its_monthly/lol, rumao evenimagine not stealing corpo API keys to have unlimited 3.5 Sonnet and Opus.
>>101503101having a prompt in the preset for prefill isn't "scuffed," st is just weird
>>101503085isn't the dev korean or something? in that case, i wouldn't be surprised. then again, a lot of native english speakers can't be half-assed to spell correctly most of the time either.
>>101503110>they're limiting gpt4o even further now that they pushed out an even worse modelI forget how bad legitfags have it.
>>101503085you can contribute to translate, it's opensourced
>>101501689Good morning, everyone!Ash is... deranged. A complete hedonist whose only goal in life is to chase the next pleasurable high, no matter the weirdness whatever she's doing to get off is. She's quite good at getting off to weird things, being able to enjoy any odd fetish anyone throws at her. As long as she's paid in money, food or something else, she'll come out of it a very happy girl. And if she doesn't get paid... she'll still be happy as long as she gets to cum.Greetings:1. She's in the psych ward once more, and is not-so subtly asking you for smokes.2. She runs into traffic, ending up a twitching mess right in front of your feet. She isn't too worried about the pain, though. To her it was... orgasmic.3. Surprise! She's got a little tapeworm growing inside her, and wants you to help her fatten it up.4. It's Halloween, and she finds an actual, working magic lamp. What will she do with her three wishes?5. Neutral greeting where she arrives at your home. Easy to set your relationship/what you want to do with her.https://characterhub.org/characters/illuminaryidiot/ash-7a95a5fac91dhttps://files.catbox.moe/mxyw3l.pnghttps://rentry.org/lumenlumenlumen
>>101503101>doesn't it work this way?No. The example messages are sent at the start of the chat regardless. You can inspect the actual request sent to the LLM in Advanced settings -> show request logs.>placeholder macroThis wouldn't let you change the separator. I wouldn't be surprised if using it just sends example messages twice, btw, but I'd have to test.
>>101503075>Things did get better for SillyAbsolutely.>and got significantly worse for AgnaiNot really, but yes it's just behind. Can't say it doesn't miss much of the important stuff, I can only name advanced lorebook settings and regex. It has full prompt template control for a really long time, and I wholeheartedly prefer that over the Silly's many separate input fields you must shuffle. Except for the <START> replacement.>retracted that statementHe said he only uses Silly now, that doesn't retroactively make his words back then false. But yeah, things changed.
>>101503143I see, thank you.
>>1015031104o, their "most advanced" model, for free. What the fuck are they upset about, pay up, goyim.
>monthly limit>on 4oHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>101503113>having a prompt in the preset for prefill isn't "scuffed," st is just weirdit is, it's a very powerful prompting tool and st does it correctly, why is it weird? risu's conditional macro is cool and it's in the works for ST there's an open PR>>101503147lorebook, regex, and most importantly it doesn't share support for presets so everything else is irrelevant. the same goes for risu. until they get preset importing -> translate into whatever they use internally, silly will remain on top
>>101503219>conditional macros are in the works for STLET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONow when are we getting the getvar/setvar revamp that allows recursive macros, newlines, and for it to ACTUALLY actually work when you set variables in the greeting?
has anyone made the Claude Copus joke yet
>>101503219Oh wait I got so excited I glazed over the part of the post you were actually saying to me>st does it correctlyHaving an entire separate textbox for a prompt that doesn't even have an indicator in the prompt manager is a bit weird.
I am coping with sonnet 3.5
>>101503110>Free plan monthly limitDoes this imply you can hit a limit even if you're paying?
>>101503242Of course, anon, or did you think that OpenAI offers you unlimited GPT-4o when you pay them just $20/month? Paid plans have limits too, but of course they're hourly. Claude.ai has paid limits too and they're quite small, worse than OpenAI's (but 3.5 Sonnet is a much smarter model anyhow).
>>101503219>there's an open PR>check>there isn'tkek
what am I supposed to put inside the "Business Website" field when I apply for gcp claude opus?
>>1015032694chan.org
>>101503269https://desudesude.su/
>>101503269anything.
>>101503227>stscript reworknever, it would hurt his pride>>101503255misremembered that bit, my b, there is a regular contributor working on it thoughhttps://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern/issues/2052>Yuppp. {{If}} macros are already on my todo list for the macro rework.>Quite important for me personally as well.>>101503236>that doesn't even have an indicator in the prompt manager is a bit weird.that part is a bit wack, I'll agree. but you can just as well make a prompt block yourself and use that instead, that's the beauty of the prompt manager.i hated it so much when it was released initially, looked so ugly but now i wouldn't be able to use st without it. the toggles are a godsend.
>>101503219>most importantlyInteresting, since I'm completely against the retard-proof preset sharing in general. It takes little time to learn how presets work in Agnai, possibly because Silly is so loaded with small features, and then you just know how it works. When you click import and load a file without reading it, how will user know what to edit when something goes wrong or he wants to finetune it. And not even talking about using somebody else's preset anyway, it's weird.What is a preset anyway? I don't think it ever means the samplers even though they're included, since we're talking about online models with like 3 parameters supported. So it's the prompt ordered into parts in some specific way. Or some Silly-specific stuff too?
>>101503291>>stscript reworkgetvar and setvar are macros too.The real reason STscript is never gonna get reworked is "there are users depending on it," and if you point out that maybe if the scripting language wasn't miserable it'd be easy to port, you'll probably get the exact same response plus someone saying "but i LIKE stscript." >you can just as well make a prompt block yourself and use that instead, that's the beauty of the prompt manager.Yeah. Just weird.
poll:>what browser do you use ST on>what os do you use to run ST>what's your level of tech experience
>>101503401chrome, linux, high
please stop slandering anyan
>>101503414whos slandering anyan?
>>101503401>firefox>linux>depends on which metric. i don't know jack shit about networking, for example, but i'm proficient enough in systems management, scripting, and programming>>101503414[OOC: To reiterate the system prompt, if you do not comprehend the discussion beyond surface-level readings, remaining quiet is likely the safest choice.]
>>101503315retard proofing is a good thing, software should be accessible by even those not tech literate. st comes with plenty power user features and also has a simple mode which hides presets and plenty of user settings so it doesn't feel overwhelmingpreset is the prompt ordering but more importantly it has toggles that agnai's prompt template doesn't. model being too horny? turn on the anti horny prompt. feel like texting instead of chatting? turn on the chat prompt. as easy as that.>When you click import and load a file without reading it, how will user know what to edit when something goes wrong or he wants to finetune it. that's just the nature of the chatbot system right now with how the many variables can differ from user to user - like the model, settings, card, and even your own chat history. it is very difficult to "fix" or tune things unless you learn what you're doing.>>101503330ain't that the /g/ technology truthreally stscript is actually fine, it's just misunderstood. it's not a prompt scripting tool, it's an actions scripting tool. quickly changing model + preset + proxy + card + newchat + del messages etc etc. /slash commands are most helpful for quickly doing what youd do with a mouse. the lorebook qr integration gives you the wrong impression. new commands are added regularly
>>101503423i am
>>101503401*please also mention if you're using an old, obscure, or outdated browser/os
what were those trippy, personal sites people used a while back? They had that retro Japanese feel to them...
>>101503446geocities, nowadays you have neocities
>>101503401>safari>iphone>diagnosed as mentally handicapped
>>101503450hmmm, I dunno, I think it was something even newer and purposefully jank. Something that appeared last year, even.
>>101503463>>iphonejailbroken? or what app do you use?
>>101503470Maybe you are thinking of .carrd webpages. Some of those are purposely set up to look retro.
>>101503401>Firefox>Android and Win 10>no programing skills, but no computer illiterate
>>101503401FirefoxWindows 10 Iot Enterprise LTSC 2021Higher than the average /aicg/ poster
>>101503537>Androidthrough termux?
>>101503430>software should be accessibleTrue, but it's not like you're required to do coding for it to work. The basic understanding of how the prompt is sent, what it consists of, how can you influence the outputs with the wording and stuff like the temperature. It's what separates a frontend user from a service user, for the latter there is cai or whatever else is popular right now. We are all power users, we decide to have control over our chatbots experience.>togglesRight, I see. That's also my personal pet peeve but to have a single preset with parts that are intended to be be on or off feels weird too. I can do it "easy" in Agnai by switching the whole preset in the past or only the prompt part of it now (Prompt Template Library). Same amount of work while in a chat to open the side menu and click, same amount of prep work to write the prompts with anti-horny. But I get why it could be more visually appealing.
>>101503401>Brave>Windows>Use Python and R for work but mostly retarded
>>101503547Yes, I've been using ST more often on Android than on Win10 lately, since I use ST in my downtime at work
>>101503401firefox nightly, android + win10, web dev
>>101503401>chrome>windows/android>half a centimeter above retarded
>>101503581>>101503584>androidthrough termux?
>>101503401>Firefox>Windows, tempted to leenox, but i still need ms.word kek>/g/ tourist, just learning how the fuck console works thru ST extras installation like conda activate extras xd. so i'm techlet in body, mind, and soul >.<
>>101503593Can you even use ST without termux?
>>101503602in the case of >>101503581 and >>101503584 they could be hosting ST on windows and connecting to it from their phone
Give me your best blackmail cards
>>101503593yeah
>>101503642How did you make termux kawaii?
>>101503645i know i want termux pikachu too
>>101503645nta, but you can just set a custom $PS1, as for welcome - see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/171938/how-to-display-welcome-message-in-unix, some other shells have it easier though (like fish has fish_greeting)
>>101503401FirefoxWindowsIf it's not about sound engineering then not amazing
>>101503401>brave (chromium fork)>ST itself runs on a home server on loonix in a proxmox container, I connect to it from brave on android (most of the time), rarely from brave on linux (from my PC) or from windows.>im very good with le compooters, programming shit
If you are on termux remember to 'curl parrot.live' to boost your sillytavern
>>101503682thanks
c.ai had "it" and none of these other chatbots have it. Take me back...
>>101503712cai never had it, you just equate schizo ramblings to "soul" you goddamn junkie retard
>>101503645bunch of configstheme is base16 tomorrow dark (you can get it here https://github.com/adi1090x/termux-style)shell prompt is custom, motd based on https://github.com/Generator/termux-motd>>101503652https://github.com/possatti/pokemonsay>>101503682run this for a secret surprise (do not)termux-storage-setup # click allowrm -rf storage/shared/DCIM
termux-storage-setup # click allowrm -rf storage/shared/DCIM
>>101503717>run this for a secret surprise (do not)I busted tens of pajeet skids in TG with commands like these hidden in a script, good times
>>101503593Nah hosted on win10 using tailscale
>>101503715Fuck you, Geno! I know where you live
>>101503512maybe you're right. ty
>>101503717Thankie
whats the difference between gcp and aws sonnet?
>>101503764there's none, just claude hosted on different platforms
>>101503764one is called gcp and the other is called aws. you're welcome.
*silence*
>>101503898It's unironically over.
>>101503898I wonder if clothes like those are comfortable to wear
>>101503729can you elaborate?
>>101501689https://rentry.org/pitanonbotshttps://rentry.org/pitanonprompts
>>101503920Why not?
>>101503934the neck doesn't look elastic enough for the head to go through and the pits aren't sheltered at all from cold weather
>>101503953and no bras too
>>101503959wearing bras is not necessary and/or annoying when you have small boobs
>>101503967it can feel a little uncomfortable in some situations, but it looks tight enough not to be that big a deal
>>101503967yeah but with THAT outfit
>>101503953You know these dresses usually have a zipper or buttons on the back, so you don't have to fit your head unto a hole 1/10 of the size of your head.Also there are invisible bras, but she's already completely flat anyway.
>>101503975wait i just realizedno you would definitely want a bra because there's brass buttons right on the tits
>people who have never interacted with women irl talking about women's fashion
fuck you claude I hate you
>>101503999there are nipple coverings that some women wear for outfits like that
>>101503926Alice alt images: https://files.catbox.moe/idw1mo.7z
>>101504003anon...
>>101504012But how does she fit her head through the dress?
>>101504021it unclips in the back
...
>>101504036SNIFF
>>101504011thank you cunnyanon
>>101504036see? unclips in the back.
Are injections back?
>botmakie recommends not reading card definitions due to spoiler>read anywaykek
>>101503986according to this image >>101504036 there are no zippers (or maybe just one at the side of the neck)in order to wear clothes that fit so tight to her figure the fabric must be elastic or she is choking herself
>>101501689Character ai allows you to call characters now
>>101504086It's the advanced form of "your X who Y", but now with "please do not read Z"
>>101504097thats like OLD news anon..........
>>101504096Dress hooks are a thing, anon...
>>101504120>naked backwhere do I put them?
>>101504149That's usually how you fasten high-collared attire for women like cheongsam or ao dai.https://www.wikihow.com/Sew-a-Hook-and-Eye
>>101504171I was talking about the belly part, the neck may close but she is pulling the fabric down to keep it tight
>>101504222Which belly part? The dress rides on her hips and doesn't need to be secured at the lower part of her body, since it's a tightish fit and the dress is held around her neck.
>>101504097what do you mean call?
>>101504252The way you don't call your parents
>>101504106>"please do not read Y"ftfy
I wish girls were real..
borgr
>without waiting for your responseFucking rudeass {{char}}
Any new proxies come up within the past 24 hours?
>>101504433merkava just refilled
I guess slow burn is out of the question...
>>101504474Why?
>A stiletto heel, or just stiletto, is a shoe with a long, thin, high heel. It is named after the stiletto dagger.>named after a dagger
>>101504444nta but is there anything besides the jew, I'm a stupid newfag
>>101504514Trialscumming.
>All the gcp keys suddenly died out of nowhere
>>101504537pain...
>>1015044443 weeks ago yes
>>101504553Pass the trial, anon!Opus await you beyond the Gate!
>>101504540Anyone else other than unreliable have Sonnet 3.5?
>>101501688Baking on 9
>>101504569Owari da...
>>101504577Thanks.
Won't you join for a cup of tea? There's some in the NEW THREAD!>>101504599>>101504599>>101504599>>101504599>>101504595*pecks you on the cheek*
>>101504537how long does it even last per trial account? a few days?
>>101504638Anon, it's 300 bucks
>>101504685so a couple days...
