>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUWeb browsing: 12100, 5600GGaming: 12400F, 7600, 7800X3DWorkstation: 12700K, 7900X, 7950XWARNING 13th/14th gen owners: Update your bios for the latest 0x129 microcode to prevent degradation>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer IIIDouble towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SEITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDAM5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57X2FygcqLE>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x48GB>SSD (OS drive)Low mid end: SN770Premium: SN850X, P41Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5>GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT, RX 6750 XT1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 GRE4K: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITORStandout:1080p: MSI G244F E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D2160p: Gigabyte M27/28/32Uhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/tBTGQP>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansBudget: Arctic P12/P14 Max (5-pack)High end: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, NF-A14x25r G2 PWMPrevious >>101964064
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Are PSUs with an 80PLUS above gold (i.e., platinum, titanium, idk) memes?
Since someone else was asking about monitors I might as well post in the new thread. I've been using the ASRock PG27QFT2A for a week now and despite the euro tax (cost me equivalent 266$) it's pretty good for my first 1440p. It came with a nifty cable fabric cable sleeve that I use for my mouse and keyboard. Setting it up was easy and it had no dead pixels. Colors are fine to me, at the very least they seem more vibrant than my laptop's (also IPS). Contrast is good for an IPS, haven't bothered to measure it yet. If you want to the screen gets really bright, I actually lowered the default brightness from 70 to 60 but not any lower to keep the contrast good to my eyes. Reflections are great and so are the viewing angles, I can view content at like 45 degrees perfectly fine, but this is not too important for me.A few issues: >The power cable is fairly short, 1,5 m. >It comes by default at max height, monitor being 18,5 cm from the desk, which is again a bit short for me.>VRR has a high minimal threshold of 48Hz, which is pretty bad if you're playing graphically intensive games at 60 fps and you WILL drop frames below that fairly frequently.>Minimal brightness is also mediocre at 94 nits, waaaay higher than my laptop's 3 nits.>The speakers sound pretty weak, weaker than my laptop's despite theoretically being double 5W just like it, but considering the other features and price I really like having SOME kind of additional audio, so this is more of a plus to me.Overall it's good enough for me but I guess I should've bought the Dell G2724D instead; if only it was cheaper.
>>101973781For your electricity bill even Gold is questionable. Unless you live in Germany maybe. A single computer, even a high-end one, just doesn't pull that much power in the grand scheme. With that said nobody makes "good" Bronze/Silver units any more so Gold is the standard.As for Plat/Titanium I'll say that they have a place in top end rigs and for users with high electricity prices where you might actually recoup the cost over time. Titanium in particular is valuable because it has a 10% load requirement which is important for idle or semi-idle draw i.e. the majority of your PC's use time.For your standard NA gaming rig, yeah, stick to Gold.
>>101973820*Correction, the speakers are 2x2W, same as my laptop's. Dunno why I thought they were 5W.
>>101973781If your plan is to save money with efficiency buying a more expensive, higher rated one then it'll take a while to recoup the cost, yesIf all you want is something that won't explode then ratings don't really have to do with it. The exploding gigabyte PSU that everyone joked about a couple years ago was gold rated
>>101973781Yes. Those ratings only signify how efficient they are, not if they're actually a quality PSU.My jome server used to originally run on a 80+ bronze PSU.
>>101973820>Dell G2724D instead; if only it was cheaper.I know right. Pricing of that thing is all over the place. Knowing that it was once $250 I am not willing to pay more than $300 for it
>>101974077Where do you live? It goes on sale pretty often. In Canada they're $350 but they often go on sale for $300. Back to school sale should happen soon, it might go on sale then. If not for sure on Cyber Monday or Black Friday.
>>101974077>spends $1.5k on a GPU but only $250 on a monitor>wastes terabytes of space for flac only to listen to it on $15 headphonesclassic /g/
>>101974248Sound is different but I refuse to believe anyone who spend money on a 4090 or even a 4080 doesn't use an OLED. I'll give you one more: your chair. If that doesn't cost at least 50% as much as your GPU then you fucked up.
I was looking at the Thermaltake CTE C750 for my new build, but I've seen some comments saying it was bad for their GPU. Is it user error or should I be looking at another case?I want a case that can fit E-ATX and 420mm aio for my cpu cooler.
>>101974248>he doesn't spend $3000 on a crystal encrusted IEC cable to prevent electrical infetterance when listening to his music
>>101974248>spends $1.5k on a GPU but only $250 on a monitorrtx 4070. Just a tiny, tiny bit cheaper.>wastes terabytes of space for flac only to listen to it on $15 headphonesI think they cost me $150.Ah my beloved /g/. Never change. Never stop exaggerating.
>>101974248>wastes terabytes of space for flac only to listen to it on $15 headphonesI'm happy with my $60 IEMs, thank you very much.
>>101974312My chair is $200-ish, but it's produced locally, made of steel and kevlar mesh, chairs like this cost $2k+ in US. So there are exceptions. Too bad they didn't go out to global market, very solid chairs.
>>101974325It's user error in the sense that one should know not to run an air-cooled card vertically. Indeed, TT makes extensive use of custom loops in their promotional materials.If you're going to run air on the card then I would suggest a different case. Plenty of good models out there with E-ATX support and a standard layout.
Why you keep saying that RT is a necessary feature for gaming? Idk, the difference isn’t that noticeable to justify such a drop in FPS….
>>101974248Yeah, because expensive headphones would surely show you the difference flac makes. Retard.
>>101973727Ok, what should i do to avoid this ?
>>101974542don't be fat
>>101974492other way around, cheap audio device won't make any difference between mp3 and flac, so why waste space? It's like pretending to hear bass when you never owned a subwoofer.
>>101974312>retard spends $1000 on his chair trying to fix his posture instead of doing a back workout once a weekmany such cases
This is pure speculation, but what can we expect from the Nvidia 50 series? Is it reasonable to expect a RTX 5060 to deliver approximately the performance of a 4070 or is that wishful thinking?Don't know if I should wait™
>>101974574Would this work? Also cheaper than a chair
>>101974485Depends on the game, the only good difference I know is Metro Exodus, 2077, and Tw3. Slav magics, other games make nearly no difference with RT on/off.
Got one of these for $220. Is this good enough for /g/'s standards?
>>101974581It's Nvidia. They are going to cripple the 5060 with just 8gb of Vram. You know this.
>>101974542dont spill the mountain dew onto your pc parts while building it
god i hope that Arrow Lake I/O is real and Intel doesn't cuck themselves fyi I've been and will be shilling Arrow Lake>t. former AMD fanboi
>>101974377Cool chair. That's an insane price considering I seem to find it double that on the manufacturer's website. Personally, I couldn't stand such a small backrest. I have an IKEA Markus which has served me well over the years for the same price as yours, assembly and delivery included. I still have 3 years of warranty left and the chair is perfectly functional, although the material is worn from daily usage.
>>101974248>>wastes terabytes of space for flac only to listen to it on $15 headphonesI'm still running the same HP HyperX Cloud II that I bought in 2019. I don't like spending money on stuff I don't need. Great headphones for the budget btw, although the fake leather has shed itself pretty quickly.
>>101974581>Don't know if I should wait™You should anyway, never buy GPU end of it's generation. Best time to buy is start of a generation and squish every juice out of it's performance cycle. Ideally you want to wait for all three sides of GPU market, what if intel pull a rabbit out of it's hat? RDNA4 should be fine, just fine, maybe huge gains in RT, but who cares if price is retarded again
>>101974377>>101974574>>101974655Bought this on sale for only $1000. My company also offers 50% off so that was how I got it for so cheap.I love it so far.It's in CAD so it's around ~$750USD
Day 501 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>101974683>Great headphones for the budget btwand how do you know that exactly? You have no reference frame, it's like a slave who knew only a bowl of potatoes start talking about caviar.
>>101973727love that reflection
>>101974581less ram, smaller die per sku
>>101974747>smaller die per skuis nvidia supposed to go 3nm?
>>101974737Audiophiles are mentally ill, so I don't listen to them. I've tried more premium headphones that I subsequently returned. The perceived quality wasn't worth it to my wallet.
>>101974581It doesn't matter. Nvidia will force you to spend at least 500$ if you want a somewhat decent gpu. So 5050, 5060 and 5060Ti are going to be shite. I'm not cynical, this is just Nvidia being Nvidia. Leather jacket man has you by the balls and he knows it
>>101974792>The perceived quality wasn't worth it to my wallet.Good job. Any IEM or headphone can be just as good as the top of the line brands with a bit of EQ-ing.The only reason I buy more expensive IEMs is to test comfort, not sound. I'm happy with my Kefine Delci and Simgot EA500LM. So comfy compared to cheaper ones.
>>101974706>what if intel pull a rabbit out of it's hat?I really, really hope so. But it may take more than one generation to close the gap
>>101974581Seeing as the 4070 is a 4060Ti die at best rebranded to charge $500 for it, a 5060 not outperforming that would mean that blackwell is garbage and the GPU market is fucked for the next 15 years
>>101974792headphones should be $200speaker setup should be with a sub and EQed to a room around ~$600that's not audiophile bullshit, it's plain measurements, there are physical limits.
>>101974820Yeah well that's the main reason I stuck to those so far. I live in a noisy city so closed-back are mandatory, and most closed-backs I tried have been inadequate for many different reasons. When my current ones wear out I'll probably switch to a newer HyperX or fall back on a pair DT 770 Pro.
is this a suitable upgrade if i'm coming from an intel i7 4790, 16gb ddr3 and gtx 1070 (which i'll continue using)?
>>101974755yes
>>1019745815060 will be same perf as 4060 but 20% more power efficient. thats the theme for next gen. same perf as last gen but less heat/power.
>>101974889Haswell is pretty performant considering its age, the jump is considerable but going Zen 4 will be better
>>101974889if you're a poorfag its fineif you're just wanting bare minimum but have more budget then go Zen4
>>101974859>GPU market is fucked for the next 15 yearsit is fucked anyway after 2nm goes mass production, unless they figure out how to replace silicon, GPU isn't CPU, getting smaller is all it's got, serial calculator is still the core feature
it's just a bunch of flip flops squished together
>>101974932>>101974944i'm not a poorfag but i'm stingy. i could drop 2k on a pc but i don't find the current market climate very attractive at the current pricing so i'm thinking i'll spend the absolute minimum possible for something that will be satisfactory at driving my 1440p 180hz monitor and 4k144hz tv. was thinking of maybe pairing this with a used 4060 or something on black friday.
>>101974883Have you actually tried IEMs? I find that it has better isolation than headphones. Much cheaper and actually sounds better than $400 headphones. Only caveat is that it's wired.
>>101974894Hm, I don't know. 4060 is pretty efficient already, 110w max I think. They probably give the high end cards the power treatment. We'll see 2 slot versions of the 5090 maybe.A 5060 with just 20% more power efficienty and no performance upgrade wouldn't sell I think. Then again, it's Nvidia so they could give customers who want a budget option the finger.
>>101973778It's not a girlfriend-robot I imagined we're going to have in future, but still would.
>>101975039I might, people I asked for advice were headphone purists and told me to not bother and I just instinctively assumed they were shit. Stability is probably the main issue, I surmise?
>>101974889Do you really trust aliexpress (which I am assuming the image shows) with pc components?
>>101974991what you've got is probably the best $ per fps then, Zen 4 would get you 20% more performance for double the price but would be more relevant for longer than Zen3
>>101975094NTA but as long as you use Common Sense™ I find it a great source of cheap components that's better than Ebay or what have you.t. fellow poorfag
>>101975074They're much better than headphones.I can wear them for long hours (16+ hours) before I can't stand them anymore and have to take them off. They only get uncomfortable to wear after the 9+ hours mark. I have to remove my headphones after only 3 hours of wearing them.Sound quality is better since it's playing the sound closer to your ear canal.You don't get headphone dent.And they're really not that expensive if you compare them to headphones. My $60 IEM sounds better than Senheisser Momentum 4 or Sony XM5.If you're willing to try it then get something between the $50-$100 range. If you don't like them you can always return it.Check /iemg/ for recommendations.
>>101974859When will this nightmare end?
>>101975168Oh, and actualy musicians that play on stage use IEMs. The noise isolation is way better than any ANC headphones. So they are worth checking out.
>>101975234when you faggots stop buying their cards
you just know they wont even announce RDNA4 specs, it will be>we have motherboards coming!https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-gaming-festival-2024-event-at-gamescom
>>101975120what's the best bang for buck rtx gpu right now? i've been itching to try dlss and the ray tracing stuff for a while now, but obviously my 1070 isn't capable. and considering i have a 4k tv i think dlss would be nice to have
>>101975262I'm not the one buying Nvidia. Still using a crappy Polaris right now.
>>101975314DLSS is a meme, try FSR its basically the same shit but six months behind
>>101975314I think a 4070. Could be wrong though.
>>101975341well with nvidia i have the option for both and can use whichever is better. i've seen videos showing fsr has more motion artefacts than dlss so for high resolution gaming on a big screen dlss is superior. i think more games support dlss too. could be wrong though but it does seem like dlss is the "market standard" if you will.
>>101975354thanks
>>101975063most 4060s are dual fan. expect to see 5060s to be single fan or maybe even passive cooled.
>>101975375>i think more games support dlss too.nope.
>>101975168>>101975235Thanks, anon will check them out. I've gotten used to my headphones so I can wear them basically all day, so IEMs will probably be very comfortable for me. As long as I can find some that can clip to my ear or something that sounds great.
>>101975094I'm not that anon and I've never bought from aliexpress myself, but in my country it's very common to buy AMD CPUs and accessories like coolers (which, in particular, are supposedly to be an insanely good value) from there. What I've always heard though is to buy from a store that seems legit and to avoid buying motherboards and that rams and ssd are low quality. Also I've heard some people saying that the CPUs sold in aliexpress are a bit of a lottery and you can get a b-stock, which may run hotter or may not perform as well as advertised, although they are still a good value if you find a good offer.
>>101974432This wouldn't be a problem if consumer tier blower cooled cards were still a thing beside tiny EU or Asia only production runs.
>>101974312Bro, I have a 3090 and my monitor isn't even full hd (1080p).
>>101975375its the marketing standard.trust me, you'll turn it on. then turn it back off. same with RT
>>101975530Not the resolution, the display type. OLED is objectively the best quality.
>>101975537I turn FSR on just because it removes TAA smear and I can play any game under 100w.Wonder if it's not as noticeable at 4k.TAA btw is the reason for "better than native" memes.
>>101975557>OLED is objectively the best qualityno it isn't. not for TV's at least.
>>101975580very expensive miniLED tvs can afford some magics, monitor sized miniLED has the glow and VA smear, IPS miniLED is just mehso OLED is objectively the best, except for text clarity
>>101974377Cool chair. I work for a European company and they sent me a work chair made by a doctor. Lol. No branding whatsoever, but its heavy as fuck and the most comfortable thing I've ever sat in. Vitra (swiss company) distributed it. Its 15 years old and still the best.We all dunk on Europeans, but they make some of the best quality shit in many cases. Pic is from a website, mine has a simpler color pallet.
>>101975666>very expensive miniLED tvs can afford some magicsi bought a QLED miniLED TV from costo for 600, to replace my OLED, and it shits on OLED. black levels are perceptibly the same but the brightness and consequently color saturation and vividness is completely next level. OLED will never be good till they fix the brightness issue.
>>101975717>OLED will never be good till they fix the brightness issue.it's different for monitors, 120cd/m2 is the standard, also stop shining sun at your screens>black levels are perceptibly the sameagain, different kind of scrutiny for monitors, the IPS/VA panel glow is way more noticeable on monitorsI can't see it on my cheap TCL VA tv, but it kills me on PC.
>>101975234What nightmare? What fucking game needs anything more than what we have right now? Jesus my 3080 12gb + 7800x3d plays everything tip top unless you are frame chasing for shit unoptimized games.You exaggerate so fucking bad. You can literally buy AAA graphics cards (3080 12gb) for under $300 on ebay right fucking NOW.Just because some spaz puts you need a 4070 super for 1080p in the sticky (rofl) doesn't make it true.
>>101975768>
5070 with 12gb ram?
>>101974952I'm hyped for the APU war that will start in the next few years. Performance may not increase that much, but the prices will be very competitive.
>>101975826>path tracing benchmarkshardware unboxed wasn't very bright to begin with, but damn
>>101975826>Disable Frame Generation and 4090 is barely above 60 fps>at 1080pThis is the sloppiest of slops
>>101975826>frame chasing for shit unoptimized games
>>101975837>I'm hyped for the APU war that will start in the next few years.Oh yeah, low end GPUs will finally go away. Nvidia going to lose a chunk of it's revenue. AMD and Intel will take the market there.
>>101975766i don't know why you'd want to use OLED for a monitor in the first place. you're just asking for burn-in or at the very least uniformity issues due to the degradation of the blue sub-pixel due to regular usage. PC's are usually on for a long time with static elements everywhere. personally i took the miniLED pill after taking the OLED pill and i can say the miniLED experience is better and without the constant anxiety of getting burn in.
>>101975861It ran ~100fps 1440p on my underclocked 7900xt without RT. It's gameworks all over again, shit nvidia dlls going to spoil it for everyone.
>>101975845>>101975859>>101975861Poorfag cope
So with ASRock and ASUS demoing new mobos at gamescom, and an announcement on arrow lake probably coming out in October, bets on what else is going to be announced at gamescom?I hope AMD takes the opportunity to do 9000x3D and nV to do the 50 series, I don't want to wait until CES to decide if it's worth waitfagging for next gen
>>101975859Why can't developers code for shit anymore?Also console optimizations be damned, if this is the limit of what a 4090 can give what the hell settings/resolution are they using to not make their games a power point presentation in any other circumstance.
>>101975921AMD should announce 9000X3D and RDNA4 but you know they wont
>>101975921Damn I thought arrowlake was delayed to Q1Glad the rumors are wrong
>>101975887They wwouldn't give out 3 year warranty if they weren't sure. The glow, I want to get rid of the glow, 10 years of the GLOW.
>>101975878Nvidia is designing their own APU as well.
>>101975958nobody going to use ARM CPUs outside laptop space.
>>101975926anon, do you understand what path tracing does?it's calculation nightmare, just like ray tracing when it was first invented, no tricks, only bruteforcing works.Doesn't even look good.
>>101975926I think it's because their RT is Path Tracing, which is another level of demanding over the hybrid RT that they have been doing up until now
>>101975993>Doesn't even look good.
>>101975952https://www.techpowerup.com/325715/intel-core-ultra-arrow-lake-s-launches-in-octobersome/most are still in q1hope they're not rusty tho :^)
>>1019758594090 is for poorfags. It runs great in my 5090.
>wtf the latest game at max settings only gives me 30fps? UNOPTIMIZEDreddit pcmasterrace brainrot
>>101976002yeah because now that the RT gimmick is starting to be solved they've gotta go to the next tier of gimmick to keep selling cards.
>>101976019It looks amazing in one scene and mediocre in the other nine.
>>101976037What the fuck are those names.
that's what you get for having 10k polygon cubes in games along with lossless textures and audio
I am so out of the loop regarding GamingTM Laptops and i just bought a Lenovo Legion Slim 5 82YA001KGE(4070) for 1200€ (germany). How retarded am I?
I'm building my first Linux-only PC and I'm stuck on the first question: Intel or AMD? Make up my mind for me. It's supposed to be at least somewhat gaming capable but I'm more worried about Linux compatibility and stability than marginal gains in performance. I was thinking of the Ryzen 5 7600X but it uses the newer AM5 socket and Google finds many people complaining about it, although I'm too much of a brainlet to understand why it's shit exactly. Lots of people complaining about long boot times, and maybe compatibility issues with the motherboards? Intel has never done me wrong but apparently their latest generations of CPUs are crappy.I don't know how to choose the motherboard. What are the odds that a random one will Just Work with Linux? I will avoid buying the very latest releases at least. Last time I built a Windows/Linux dual boot was in 2008 and it was a total nightmare to even get the fucking sound to work on Linux.
>>101976071pretty fucking retardedlolbut hey, at least it's from an okay brand. lenovo makes great work laptops. gaming ones, not so much
>>101976071you got a gaming laptop, that's already sub 100 IQ move
>>101976110>uses the newer AM5 socket and Google finds many people complaining about it, although I'm too much of a brainlet to understand why it's shit exactly. Lots of people complaining about long boot times, noobs can't into ram training is all.
>>101975826>gaytracing very highyeah no, thanksI own a 3080Ti and in most of the games I own, the difference is so minute I don't even bother with shit like that.what about decent AA? decent LOD? fucking modern graphics suck ASS
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>>101976070That image is Infamous.The 6000 model is the original and then they just added more triangles to make the 60,000 model without adding more detail.
>>101974542He appears to have taped the power cables at extreme angles, do not ever do this. It's the same warning people with 4090's got.The mobo 24 pin is also taped to like a 120 degree angle.
>>101974542buy the budget cards
>>101976135 I kinda knew already that Gaming Laptops are retarded, but i am more or less moving between 3 different places because of work and sometimes I want to play a game(age4 or maybe spacemarine2j to chill out. From what I can See it was lets say a slighty less retarded choice, compared to other retarded choices in regard to the specs and the money spend?
>>101976303Better red circles
>>101976071Buying anything other than business laptops like lenovo stinkpads and Dell lats or crapple gaybook is fucking gey as fuck. I use a X1 Carbon gen 6 and its fine as fuck, I switched only because x230 started showing its age.
>>101976303>>101976342Okay, now I'm paranoid. Checked my wiring and while it's not as bad as that kid's it still kinda bent. There's around 1cm of cable before the bend though.Been running fine for a year now but fuck, this shit scares me.
actually mental how amd is selling both a cpu and a gpu named 7600 at the same time
>>101976110buy single ccd ryzen (5700x/5800x3d/7600x/7800x3d/etc)get a gigabyte b550 or b650 mobopair with navi 2 or navi 3 gpu (RX 6000 or 7000 from AMD)you now have the optimal linux machine
>>101973727>1.5k $ pc>stock 2$ cooler that will throttle the CPU like a motherfuckerretard phenotype is there for a reason
>>101976444Nice trips, you can buy matching cpu and gpu. 7800 and 7900 too.
>>101976425Thank you Sir
>>101976432>Been running fine for a yearIt's fine
>>101975709Cool looking chair.You got unlucky, tho, they could have sent you the Steelcase Please. Top-tip, unironically, I've tried the Gesture (which is more expensive) and its worse in terms of ergonomics.
Will we see hardware prices drop before Black Friday or should I just kms now?
>>101976277you know that you can fit up to a 170mm tall cooler in that case right? the peerless assassin is actually shorter than the NH-U12https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/q4sB28
>>101976664prices increase month before so you can get it in "sale" later
what CPU if I want max handbrake and compilation performance while consuming no more than 65W (undervolting and underclocking is acceptable)
>>101976719Life is pure suffering.Two months ago the hardware I wanted was 1400, now its 1500 and it doesnt seem its gonna go backand I didnt change shit
>>101976664Has blackfriday EVER been good for CPU/GPU? Every year I only see monitors and SSDs on sale and everything else is just on its regular price. I think last year there were decent prices on old RX6000 cards but meh
>>101974608hnggg
>>101975826Posts unopimtimized pre-release arbitrary benchmark to prove you need a new graphics card. Been around too long. Yeah, I don't get manipulated by the "better buy a new video card for this pre-rendered fake game review". Sorry man. Shill that shit to the rookies. You posted the same bullshit with Hogwarts Legacy getting sub 20 FPS on a 3090 when in fact the game was shit, looked like shit, and still looks like shit, and programmed by idiot Jeets. Witcher 2 from 10+ years ago still looks better than that garbage, and could be run with a 560ti easily. But some kids believed you and went out and bought an unneeded graphics card as a result. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJkunwVSNwPost hands btw.
geforce 5000 series unironically when now?
>ComputerWeb browsing: Macbook AirGaming: Xbox Series X, PS5Workstation: Macbook ProAVOID: PC
>>101976902Q4 or Q1
>>101976445Do NOT get cheap gigabyte AM5 mobo. Cheap AM5 from asus and gigabyte are trash.
>>101974645go back to r*ddit along with the other israel cocksuckers
>>101975826Do devs develop this shit on Quad 4090 or what?>our game runs smoothly on trannyfakeframedllsbbcr 76%
>>101977134ty
>>101974555>>101974638>>101976303>>101976308> skinny af> skip AIO because liquid near eletricity is no fucking way for me> didn't mean to tape anything, but gpu came without power cable, i will use one from psu, hope it's good enough> 4060 is in budget range, i'm fine, right ?>>101976701will dark rock 5 fit in 170mm case i'm waiting to be shipped>>101974655im sitting on that chair rn, 9/10 for the price it is
>>101977245off to /v/
>>101976297it isn't the best example, but diminishing returns is a real thingpic related is a bit better, but still not perfect since it's also demonstrating automatic reduction, while ideally the lower you go, the more manual work is required to prioritise what you keep and potentially reshape things to cut out unnecessary detail. back in the day a lot of detail was drawn into the textures instead to save on polygons, like in pic related under a certain amount you'd be turning "relatively expensive" elements like the gap around the bonnet and front grill into textures instead of keeping them as modeled features
>>101977144crapok tell me, i fucked it up bad or really bad bad ?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QVdb7Rwaiting for 140mm for top of the care exhoust, and will keep 2 stock fans
hey anons any suggestions or improvements on this build (don't change the gpu)https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L3bcJy
>>101976342>two 90° bendsxd
>>101977144>>101977437people will tell you all mobos are crap. people can never decide which is good.
>>101976444Makes for a nice meme build, tho not quite as nice as Threadripper 1920x plus GTX 1080 (Ti).
>>101977437Eh, not bad. All CPU coolers comes with their own thermal paste. don't spend it on some other paste. Only buy it when you need to clean it, like after 2-3 years.All motherboards are shit. Just buy one that fits your needs and is cheap. People don't get that they don't need a lot of PCIe slots or NVMe slots or even SATA ports.Not a fan of the Corsair RAM but at least it's the non-RGB one. You would need to download their proprietary software to control the lights on the RGB which is a no for me.You could get cheaper case fans.
>>101977625I was thinking 'bout cheaper mobo
>>101976701It's actually about the width.I need access to the back plate of the GPU so I can use it to heat up syringes of medication. Yes I am completely serious.I'm not going to be doing any overclocking so I just want something that is effective and very quiet
>>101973727I just bought an intel gpu
>>101973727ok wtf happened here? like what did the retard do wrong?
>>101978878he used intel cpu
>>101978837And I was stung by a wasp just under my eye. Doesn't show up well on camera but the bag under my eye has now turned red...So basically I kind of understand the pain of buying an Intel GPU
>>101977437>4060No
>>101978884lmao
best gpu for a SFF optiplex?
>>101978949Low profile 4060
>>101978949>>101978971That 4060 needs external power. Dell puts their own PSU in the SFF optiplex. They are not that powerful. Also different connectors, you may need an adapter for 8-pin.
>>101979104That's what the Sata to 8 pin adapter is for
>>101978949If the PSU has a standard PCIe 6-pin: 4060If slot power only: 3050 6GB (beware some AIB cards with external power connectors)
>>101974312lose weight fatass, not everyone need a chair rated for 400lbs
What do you think about this build? But hear me out first, i need a PC when I'm visiting my parents over the weekend sometime for doing normal web stuff and some occasional gaming of old games while wanting to stream movies or such shit in 1080p but for a not high budget and not overextending with parts that wouldn't be really necessary. Laptops are shitty and wouldn't perform as well as building together something like this
>>101979170Because i tried it with my travel/college laptop and it would just overheat and stutter
>>101979170So what, you want to carry around a big case every time you go to your parent's house? Retard.
>>101979170It's fine I guess. Should handle web browsing and 1080p encoding no problem.I will say that the SSD looks way overpriced for 480GB. I'd expect to pay that for a 1TB model.
>>101979343no you retard it should stay therethis wouldn't be my main pc
>>101979373hm true, when i bought my 1TB for my main PC it was almost the same price, need to look for some alternative then i guess
>>1019791374060 got 8pin duh
I want to upgrade my>i7-8700k>32GB DDR 3 1600MHZ RAMwith>AMD RYZEN 9900X>48 GB DDR 5 8000 MHZ RAMhow much of an upgrade would this be and is it worth it waiting for the 9xxx X3D Versions to release if Im into gaming?`Good idea or turbo retarded idea?(new mobo is also a must)
Is the Dell G2724D at ~320 EUR directly from DELL still considered a good deal (guess so)? I didn't want to order for 235 before my holiday and now it costs more. Might find it a bit cheaper from some resellers.Currently have LG ultrafire 2k as main and a cheap office FHD one as 2nd monitor. I guess no point in upgrading to 4k with current machine. Might build a new one some time next yearps: this time with better memory setup
>>101979388SSD prices have gone up in the last year so don't expect to match it but €60 should get you more than a crappy SN350. Or not - you didn't post country so maybe they're under embargo or something.
>>101979406If you're going to whale on RAM, CL28 6000 MHz is better. Ryzen likes lower latencies more than higher frequencies.
>>101979406>9900X for gamingBad idea. Either buy the 7800X3D or wait for the 9800X3D. It's fine enough if this is primarily a workstation but the 79*0X is probably better value.>DDR5 8000Bad idea. 6000 is the highest speed for Ryzen auto-sync. Even on Intel you'd need a 99th %ile bin to get 8000 stable.
>>101979402Oh my bad but I hope you get the point.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ This is what I've whipped up, but I'm getting a bit lost.My current PC is around 12 years old now so I'm mostly looking to start fresh. I want to use it for gaming and storing movies, I use linux mint and (begrudgingly) windows 10. High end would be preferable as I tend to play Bethesda games with insane amounts of graphical mods and LAN server stuff from the main PC mostly MYSQL for WoW, hence the high RAM. Ideally, the computer should be up to date enough to last around 10 years like my last one, but I've kinda lost the plot on how computers work these days.My budget is ~1500$-2K max.What I want:>Minimum/No RBG but not important either way, I'll turn it off.>Max 128gb RAM.>Best bang/buck graphics card (Radeon)>Best bang/buck AMD CPU that'll last 10 years>Power efficiency, since it runs 24/7 with servers. Not sure if rating matters but as close to operating wattage as possible and titanium/plat would be best I think? I'm willing to go gold if the savings are negligent, it has a UPS.>Smallest case possible for ease of packing, I move a lot.>Inserts for optical drive/SD card reader.>1920x1080 monitor recommendation, cheapest, I have a 10lb dell U2410.If it can be made smaller, I would prefer something console sized since I intend to use NAS storage. What I don't get is cases. Do they even make ones with optical drives and SD card reader bays anymore? Built in SD reader at least? Should I just stack some kinda tape deck external system on top of it? I use SD cards very often.I'm open to all recommendations, as I'm very out of the loop and haven't actually fully built a pc from scratch before.
>>101979419>320 EUR>converted to 480 CADHell no.In Canada that thing is around $350CAD. Also which part of Europe are you from? The UK store has it for 280.
>>101979486alright, thank you anon.Will wait and get some 6000mhz RAM
>>101979463thank you too m8>>101979596
>>101979547You posted the generic link not your build.
>>101979629https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FB2fN6I am an absolute retard, sorry.
>>101979536NTA you answered, though you made me search for more info. Power that GPU can get:from board PCIe 75W, 6pin 75Wand 8pin 150Wywg2n
should i buy external ssd or hdd for long term storage? its meant for family pictures and videos so i will just put it in a drawer once i have moved everything. I was originally looking at cloud storage but the price is 99usd a year...
>>101979695>ywg2nnot a robot
>notice 12v on 4090 is starting to drop below 11.8v>push 12v back in even though it looked fine>12v goes back up to 11.9vcurious
>>101979695Yes that's all nominally correct. Given the stock 115W TDP they could have used a 6-pin but it's not uncommon for manufacturers to over-spec the connectors. Makes the card look more powerful I guess?Anyway, what I'm saying is that he/you should get the 4060 if you have some way to power it - be that a stock Mini Fit Jr connector or some sort of adapter. If the PSU is properly Dell-ified then the best slot power GPU available is the 3050 6GB.
>>101979713I'd go with something like the WD passport which are HDDs. Solid state drives and flash memory tend to leak their electrons over time.Not that something can't happen to an HDD too, but I just found they're more reliable.
>>101979586The A from DACHBut, amazon still has them for ~280 EUR
>>101979773heh, maybe nvidia got scared of bad publicity because of fire hazards (even it was very rare) and spread that heat on 2 more pins to be sure it's not happening in future
>>101979547>>101979660Don't buy Noctua.Don't buy extra thermal paste.Get a micro ATX instead of an ATX.Cheaper NVMe, but your original one works if you want to stick with that too.Cheaper case WITH fans included unlike your original case.Cheaper PSU. You don't need 80+ Platinum.Get an external CD/SD reader instead. Unfortunately no one sells those with cases anymore. Best you can get is a more expensive case with a 5.35" and an adapter which costs a lot more than an external USB device.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tp2nYN
>>101979547>>101979660>G.Skill Ripjaws V 128 GB (4 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 MemoryYou probably want a better board if you're going to run that much RAM. You're right at the limit with the B550 TOMAHAWK.https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B550-TOMAHAWK-MAX-WIFI/Specification>2DPC 2R max speed 3600 MHZ
>Get a micro ATXThe case seems to be the same size regardless, they're both kinda just double decker cubes. What factors into motherboard decision?>WITH fansThanks, I didn't catch that.Are the graphics and CPU fine? If I can dump a little more money into them or the mobo, I'd be alright with trending toward the top of my budget.
>>101979997The motherboard is the part I understand the least. I just don't understand the form factor and power, I just picked the cheapest one that could run 4x32.My current is a Z97 MSI and it has served well, so I wanted to stick with MSI but I'm in the same 'bang for buck' hunt as everything else with it. The motherboard is the longest lasting component however, so I'm willing to push toward the 2k top if I can get some extra longevity.What do you think of >>101979910 's list?
>>101979999For motherboards I tend to pick what's good for the user described in their post. Most people here only use ONE PCIe slot. ATX tend to have more features that people don't even use. No one uses all 4 PCIe slots anymore. Or 6 SATA ports. Or 3 NVMes. All these features comes with a higher price tag. ATX boards also tends to draw more power if you care about that thing.If you're just gaming and browsing or watching videos then a motherboard with WiFi capabilities, 1 PCIe x16 slot, 1 NVMe slot is enough. You mentioned you have a NAS so you don't need that much storage ports anyways.As for CPU and GPU, I tend to leave those untouched since whatever money people save if they decide to switch components they can add into getting a new CPU or CPU.
Would I actually see a difference with a contact frame on my 12700k? I'm reseating my nhd15 soon, along with some other upgrades, and I'm thinking of putting one in. It actually has kinda just worked for the last two years, so I'm wondering if it could work better?
>>101980079>if I can get some extra longevity.I don't keep up with AMD, but aren't the new CPUs releasing needs a new socket? Once they release a new motherboard with a new socket your old motherboard is basically outdated since it will never get a better CPU to upgrade to.
>>101980079>What do you think of >>101979910 's list?I have an AORUS ELITE V2 and it hates 4 sticks, so I wouldn't buy that one either. G.Skill has a QVL here: https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/184/1571734430/F4-3600C18Q-128GVK-QVL
>>101980167You have to keep in mind that not all QVL are be all and end all list. Some manufacturers can't test out every single thing it is compatible with. But it is still a good idea to go through that list and see if your motherboard is compatible.
>>101980266Yeah, but this is quad rank RAM we're talking about. DDR4 only exists in 4 Gbit, 8 Gbit and 16 Gbit configurations so a 32 GB stick is always dual rank (= 128 GB is always 4x2R). That's hard to run so I wouldn't take the risk with a budget board.
>>101980105I see, in that case I should be more specific, and if what >>101980160 says is true (I have no idea) I will not want to be building a new PC in the future if I can get decent coverage now. I tend to put off upgrades as long as feasibly possible.Yes I intend to buy/can use my current pc as a NAS for my 4x8tb HDDs, I won't be wiring them directly to SATA, so 1-2 slots for the occasional swap is fine. I will not ever SLI, but I might dual-boot so linux compatibility is a must. I will use windows 10, most likely, since modern games require it. 128 RAM is necessary as my current setup uses 32 and it's not enough, and I know 64 won't be enough some day either. Other than that, I directly wire ethernet and would only use wifi in a pinch so 1 and 1 is also fine, it does not need fast wifi.I tried looking at slots but got a little lost, I guess as long as the gpu and processor fits, and it has enough usb headers for a mouse, keyboard, monitor, and an sd card reader which will likely also handle usbs, we're good.One question that does come to mind is, does the NAS need to be compatible with the mobo to wire them directly? Do they go by sata or is it a network cable?
>>101980336That is true. I don't have that much experience with consumer boards running with that many RAM sticks. I only know about server boards.
>>101980349>does the NAS need to be compatible with the mobo to wire them directly? Do they go by sata or is it a network cable?What do you mean by this? It doesn't make much sense
>>101980353Running 4 sticks means you have to use the "bad" slots on the motherboard. If you only run 2 sticks the manual always tells you to use the two "good" slots (usually A2 and B2) but you don't have a choice with 4 sticks. The memory controller should be able to handle 4x2R at 3600 MHz but you NEED a board with good signal integrity. You could always step down to a slower speed like 3200 MHz but Ryzen likes higher memory speeds because it speeds up the Infinity Fabric as well.
>>101980437You could always set the speed to default, can't you?That RAM has 2666 MT/s default speeds. Like you said, I do not recommend overclocking a 4 stick RAM but it should be stable at lower speeds. I don't think the guy needs fast RAM anyways and only want large amounts of it.
>>101980402My current setup is with the Z97 and 4 SATA slots in the NZXT phantom 820 I think? This computer was built ages ago. Let's say I repurpose this pc as a NAS or buy a NAS enclosure for these drives. I know it's network attached storage, but I'm not 100% sure if that means I need to put it on a network or if I can plug it in via USB or SATA into another computer, or if it HAS to go through the router. I just haven't read into it, I was going to buy a compatible enclosure once I build my new PC.These drives hold books, moves, and video game installers/"setup disks" so they're more of a lukewarm/cold storage solution than anything that needs to be connected 24/7, but ideally it would be directly wired into the PC.As for the RAM conversation, I just need capacity not necessarily speed. I won't be overclocking or putting any stress on the components, but the number of servers/programs I run will likely eat up the 128 quite quickly.
>>101980493>You could always set the speed to default, can't you?Yeah, but:>Ryzen likes higher memory speeds because it speeds up the Infinity Fabric as wellRunning at JEDEC speeds should always be your last resort. The sticks will work in a good board, G.Skill has already validated them on many X570 boards. Don't worry about it.
Anyone willing to help me figure out which pair of monitors I should get? I'm thinking 1440p, 27" tops since there won't be much distance between my screens and my eyes, IPS, and at least (but preferably more than) 120 Hz. I'd also really, really like to avoid flashy gamer shit like the pattern on the back of the PG27AQN.
>>101980546Ahh, okay. Cool. Learn something new everyday.
>>101980529Okay, strong suggestion to move this kind of questions to >>>/g/sqt/Anyways, let's start.A NAS is a computing device that shares its storage in a network, as easy as that.You can have a computer with a USB enclosure connected and sharing its content through the network, so, it HAS to be inside the network.That said,>buy a NAS enclosure for these drivesThere is no such thing as a "NAS enclosure", you could buy a prebuilt NAS device from QNAP or Synology and plug your drives and plug it to your network though, but then you won't be repurposing your PCFrom what you say, you're better off buying a SATA -> USB enclosure and use them in your new PC
>have the Acer predator XB273K monitor for a couple years now>Monitor starts flickering with a thin black stripe on the right side of the screen>turning the screen off and back on fixes it>after some time the monitor starts flickering again but worse>turn off the Gay Sync and the 144hz mode and HDR>somewhat fixes it>eventually starts flickering again after some time but even worse now>turning it off and back on several times somewhat fixes it but it always comes back>lower the brightness to 70%>flickering is goneso wtf does it mean?
>>101980717also forgot my second question.how much time do you dudes think this monitor will last until I have to buy a replacement?
why are glossy monitors so rare? I've only ever seen super expensive OLED monitors have glossy screens
>>101980807Finding a Good monitor is a pain the ass.>want a 4k Monitor as replacement for my shitty flickering one>its all crappy IPS panels>wants one in 27" but at that size they are rare for some reason>for some reason most of them are Free Sync and not Gay Sync>oled 4k monitors dont even exist at that size
>>101980699I see, I might've been loosely using the word to stand in as an 'external drive enclosure' type device. Really I just need to access the 4 drives but not all the time. In this case, I'm still open to suggestions on the mobo, graphics card, RAM sticks, etc and will be using the drives externally SOMEHOW. As long as there's no long term complications wtih that, I think I'll stick with this list; https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tp2nYNBut while I'm posting: Do you really not buy thermal paste anymore? I'm sure the sink comes with one but isn't it dogshit?
>>101980807You trade a lot of usability for not a lot of image quality. Don't get me wrong, it is nice but only if you can control the ambient lighting.
>>101980951The natural habit for a /g/entooman is a cave so ambient light should not be an issue.
>>101980916>Really I just need to access the 4 drives but not all the timeAlright, then you have to consider a NAS then it's a fun learning experience I'm telling you, plus, it's not practical to get 4x USB enclosures for each of your drives, and multi-drive enclosures are kinda expensive>Do you really not buy thermal paste anymore? I'm sure the sink comes with one but isn't it dogshit?It'll be fine with the bundled one
LGA 1700 has tons of motherboards with Wi-Fi 7 but I only found one AM5 board with it. What's the deal?
r8 my poorfag buildhttps://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9sxjwg
>>101978878looks like that new gpu power connector bursting into flames issue
>>101978971dual slot but dell puts x16 slot on outside>>101978949that amd one, wanna say like rx5300 or 5400
>>101979137needs to be single slot, unless you run the PSU externally
>>101981268LGA1700 motherboards had a refresh because of Raptor Lake Refresh.800 series motherboards for AM5 and Intels new socket will probably have it too.>>101978878>>101981324nah its standard 8 pin, I'm guessing that it's a modular PSU and he reused cables from another modular PSU
>>101979773see>>101981354
>>101981354>>101979137>>101979104
>>101981435>>101979104>>101979137
What GPU to pair with 7600 and 32GB RAM for 1080p(possibly 1440p in the future) gamingEverything in the recommendations bottlenecks it according to bottleneck calculator shit
How tf is a 3800x "too weak" for a 1660ti? Someone want to explain this to my smooth brain?
Anyone bought the KTC H27T22S? Displayninja seems to like it.https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-h27t22s-review/
>>101981395>>101981452Anyway, I guess you're looking at a 6400 eg. Pulse LP. Maybe there's a /csg/ 3050 out there that's both single slot and low profile too.
>>101981583Those calculators just make shit up.
You guys know those Asrock Rack boards, the m-itx boards with CPUs soldered on? Where do you actually shop for them?
could a 70w gpu run on a 180w psu?
Hi, could somebody have a look at my build.From Germany, monitor is Asus vg278, budget is 1300€. Less would be better. Gaming and programming mostly.https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RM9Xwg
>>101981608RX6400 is the one.I heard it doesnt do hardware encoding or something. whats that all about
>>101981452Whoops. So just 1 slot cards? Those Dell SFFs seem great at first glance. Compact and dirt cheap. But very limited for upgrading GPU
>>101981648you can run 2x 70W GPUs on a 180W PSU.But not 3
Will this save Israel?
>>101981669no, because the recommended psu for it is 300w, but it doesn't make sense that it can't run on lower than that
>>101981651No streaming. Unless you have a beefy CPU or an IGP.
>>101981652>So just 1 slot cards? for the little ITX/DTX sized ones, yeah.the low profile 4slot mATX sized ones can use dual slot
>>101981700Can't help but feel that Intel knew about the degradation and wanted to get ahead of it with this rebrand.
>>101981633I think Newegg is an official seller, try there.
>>101981701sounds like maybe youre trying to power other things than just a GPU. like a mainboard, CPU, RAM, SSD, etc.so add up all the wattages of everything else in your system. most likely the total of everything plus the GPU will be more than 180W. in which case you will need more than a 180W PSU
>>101981759you're wrong, this guy did it somehow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l25BAlsHubM
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tp2nYNDropping back in to ask one more time before I finalize.I have $1500 to burn, any of these components worth upgrading? Is the Ryzen 9 7950X worth it compared to the 5950? Is there a better graphics card that isn't double the price? Is there a motherboard with more longevity? Is higher end RAM worth it? Where should I dump another 300 bucks?Also, what 1920x1080 monitors on the cheap can you recommend?Thanks again for all the assistance and feedback.
>>101981785so somewhere in that vid he explicitly states the combined wattage of all the components exceeds 180W? cuz thats the only way id be wrongexceeding the wattage rating of your psu is pretty retarded
>>101981838Get RX 7700 XT. It's not that much more expensive. The rest of your money can go into upgrading your CPU or something, idk.
>>101981838>$1500 to spend>1920x1080
>>101981906On the computer as a whole. I don't need it to be a good screen just my current one is a U2410 so it weighs 10lb and is like 15 years old. I can't mount it to a stand because it fucking bends it, it's basically a crt. Something under 100 bucks is fine.
thank god i only play old as fuck games so i don't need top end gpus
>>101981962>mainly play old games>open roller coaster tycoon 2>open transport tycoon delux>dwarf fortress>still bought a 4090 and a 14900KSI have too much money and I am not financially responsible with it.
>>101982036i will never get this. just invest it?
>>101982061I already have investments.[spoiler]$300k in multiple stocks.[/spoiler]
>>101981962>>101982036Yeah I wish this was the case, somehow even CDDA runs like shit on old hardware or I'd probably just use my laptop. I don't want to wait 2 seconds a turn though.My issue is running too much shit at once, though. I'll have a movie on, a game of cdda and factorio, and several servers/p2p shit up.
>>101974312Speaking of OLED monitors, are there any 360Hz OLED monitors that support G-Sync (as opposed to being merely compatible)
What is the point in ever buying CPUs which come with iGPUs? Okay, not ever, since there might be a day where your GPU burns down and for some reason you still need to see what's on your PC for some reason. But for 99% of the cases isn't it utterly pointless?
>>101982076Yeah, that's the only upside with my setup. Old games but I have a lot of them open at the same time. I had a game of CDDA just minimized for a couple of days because I forgot about it. But this is more of a CPU thing than a GPU thing. I literally could have gone 4070 and still be fine with dual 1440p setup.
>>101982110I like it for troubleshooting. If you have a spare GPU you can easily plop in then an iGPU is dumb, but some building their first PC don't have spare parts they can just toss in to check.
why would you even want gsync isnt that adding a WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to your monitor for a placebo over freesync
>>101982071ah congrats then anon. that is a lot of money where im from. id also spend some of it on not so responsible/needful things. what do you do or how did you reach this state?
>>101981838Before you start buying make sure you double check and triple check clearances for that CPU cooler and GPU in that case. Small cases can sometimes be a bitch because not everything fits. PcPartPicker doesn't tell you that and you have to do it yourself.
>>101982036yah I'm this >>101981962>UT2004>UT3>NFS: Underground -> Most Wanted>Prince of Persia trilogy>GameCube & PS2 gamesThe only ~demanding games are:>Minecraft>Baldur's Gate 3However I do a lot of software testing/development and virtualization so I do require a multi-core CPU with decent amount of memory.>>101982110Well, you certainly don't know what you can do with a iGPU. Some examples:>Leverage video encoding/decoding to QuickSync>Extreme multi monitor setup (4+)>PCI passthrough dedicated GPU to a VM for gaming or other shit that uses it
>>101982150I did say "99% of cases". I don't believe there are that many people doing any of what you mentioned.
>>101981962you don't even need to play 'old as fuck' things, basically everything pre-2019 runs flawlessly at 1440p144 with a 3070
>>101982171well, you asked >What is the point in ever buying CPUs which come with iGPUs?and I answered you>I don't believe there are that many people doing any of what you mentioned.That's fair and true>>101982178I get away with a RX570 just fine
>>101982113>Minimize CDDA to do other shit for a while>Tab in>Forget wtf I was doing>run around>killed instantly due to poor management of my character because I forgot where I was/what I was doing.Every fucking time.I'm contemplating going for the R9 7 over the R9 5 but honestly I doubt it'll make a difference for 150 bucks.>>101982136>Be sure to check clearancesI can check the measurements, my other case was 38 liters and this one is like 50 so I'm sure it'll be enough, depends where everything fits. Granted idk what the fuck I'm doing so I appreciate any spoonfeeding obvious mistakes.>>101982150>>MinecraftJava is hungry. I dedicate 16gb to minecraft minimum especially with mods, even in 1.7.10 modpacks.
>>101982131This is monopoly money (CAD). I still live with my parents and we're renting. Our rent is $1,100 a month. Electricity and hydro is already included there. I've been working since I was 18, which was in 2010. I don't really spend money on ANYTHING. I always look to see if there's a free alternative for paid stuff, which is why I pirate a lot of stuff even now. I am very frugal.Like, my first computer I had for myself was a Dell laptop that I bought in 2009, I used that fucker up until 2020. I then bough a gaming laptop and regretted it. Gave it to my sister and bought and built my PC in 2023.So yeah, I just work and don't spend my money. It's actually not that much money if you think about it.Minimum wage is 30k/year. I've been working for 14 years and I only have 300k in investment and a bit in my savings. That means I've been working minimum wage for 14 years if you do the math.
>>101982201Fuckin game I hate that it is so fun to play with my buddies yet so demanding
>>101982209Similar situation but for me it was GNU/libre autism. Refuse to buy smartphones, refuse to buy anything 'marketed' as high end, hence being this is the first pc I've built in 10-11 years.Best investment I ever made was buying a house though. Easier said than done obviously, but renting is literally wasted money, doesn't build toward anything it's just an expense so I made it my top priority. It's a glorified trailer but tripled in value.Now pretty much everything over 500 bucks goes right into the bank.
>>101982209sounds like all is well for you anon. oh do i miss the days of having both parents. you never understand how much you can miss them until they are gone. dont ever take them for granted.
>>101982130gsync isnt placebo. it can do its vrr range down to 1hz. just dont buy a shitty display.
>>101982261I do have siblings and we could afford a down payment for a house. But no one wants to move and no one wants to pay more in mortgages. That $1,100 is split 4 ways. I only pay ~$300 a month. That is fucking cheap considering rent or mortgages can reach up to 2k a month. Still though, I really do want a house.>>101982278Yeah, as I got older I realize this. My dad isn't young anymore. I want him to retire and let me and my siblings take care of my mom and dad but he refuses. Says he still has bills to pay even though we're all willing to pay for him. I can easily wipe of the $50k debt that he has but he refuses. Atually most of my spending goes to buying whatever my parents want. Siblings and I bought my mom a 3rd iPad just a couple of months ago and a $400 headphone.
>>101982130Another shill AI post
>>101982377It's not the price that's bad, it's the fact that it's housing. A mortgage is rent to buy at least, but renting doesn't even build good credit or qualify you FOR a mortgage. I'm american though and our housing situation is notorious. Really though you could burn 300 bucks a month on a lot of shit so yeah it's not that bad.
>>101982421Canadian housing is also just as bad. Fucking Trudeau can't fix it because he made the problem in the first place by accepting immigrants when we weren't equipped to deal with them. Not to mention he made it possible for non-citizens to buy houses here so imagine trying to bid for a house and some chink overseas outbidding you because he works for a big company.I hate it. I really do. I really want a house but man, it is almost impossible to buy one here.
>>101982036>3080 12 gb and 13700k>just web browse, emailing, light photoshop/clip studio paint and playing some simple roguelike, or age of empires IIeven i don't understand it myselfonly reason i didn't get more powerful equipment was because of availability at the time and my disdain for high heat generating parts, but these days im even more financially free to just go full retard since a) i now have a dedicated office in my home so heating up the room is no longer a factor and b) better job
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9900x-sees-immediate-7-price-cut-in-germany-post-launchOH NO.. WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS?
>>101982459>some chink overseas outbidding you because he works for a big company.Xi proves to be a robust and shrewd negotiator. Outsources all of his rich to live in the west and builds galvanized steel coffins back home (with eco-friendly wood veneer of course)I want to sell my house and move but I don't think I'll be able to afford a house anywhere else.
>>101974581I mean, what do you have now? If you don't have a GPU or have a really old one that's holding you back then obviously waiting is retarded and you should just buy current gen.We already know that AMD's goal next gen is to fix perf around the level of the 7900 XT for ~$400 which means nvidia doesn't have much reason to push perf higher.
My 7900x gets to maximally 83C under 100% continuous load with a Noctua nh-d15, open case. Is that ok? I am kind of worried that I was too brutal with the mounting screws and used too much torque.
>>101983131that's very good (though the open case helps)remember that AMD said these CPUs are designed to run at 95 C 24/7
>>101983176Thanks, was kind of worried but suspected it was ok from some benchmarks I found online! I just wasn't sure cause my last cpu, a 3900x, with the same cooler got up to maximally 75C. Well, since I'm kind of deaf anyway all my cases are open so guess there are no worries. Tried the Thermalright se 120 first on the 7900x, but that one definitely wasn't enough.
Hello. I am conflicted. This will be a long-ish post.So I was a big PC gamer for a good decade until around 2020 when I moved into my own place and just got busy with life. I bought a big TV (4k, 120hz, freesync, etc) and a console (xbox, because it's what 90% of my friends play) and I'll say I've been generally very satisfied with the gaming performance with games like diablo, cyberpunk, starfield, forza horizon, call of duty, fifa, hogwarts legacy and so on. HDR gaming is great and as I play a lot with friends and the social experience has been great. No issues there. However I feel like returning to PC gaming due to the simple fact of consoles being walled gardens and the increasing mandatory subscription costs, among other things. But the one thing stopping me is the shear price of PC hardware. For me to have a worthwhile noticeable upgrade (keeping in mind I'm already very satisfied with the console performance and quality) I'll have to spend probably 2-2.5x more on the PC with the graphics card alone probably being the same price as the console. And then there's the fact that upcoming hype games like GTA 6 won't be on PC at launch so I'll end up spending a significant time on console again this time next year. So tldr I WANT to move from console back to PC but I don't really NEED to especially with the prices nowadays. I'll appreciate some opinions on this seeing as I'd want to make a decision quickly as the next few months will be the cheapest PC prices will be this year albeit still rather expensive.
>>101983228>I just wasn't sure cause my last cpu, a 3900x, with the same cooler got up to maximally 75Cit's easy to understand if you compare TDP, AMD is pushing the new chips harderhttps://www.amd.com/en/product/8436>AMD Ryzen™ 9 3900X>Default TDP 105Whttps://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/7000-series/amd-ryzen-9-7900x.html>AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X>Default TDP 170W
>>101983266PC is very cheap if you pirate everything.if you pirate enough, you could justify buying a 5090 TITAN with all the money you save with piracy.
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I have an i7 4790k with a 3060ti and 16 gigs of DDR3 ram. I'm running ArcGIS pro and some other RAM heavy software. I am needing more ram and would like to run 64 gigs. I am curious if the new ram and CPU tech would be worthwhile to upgrade to or if it's not worth it yet.
>>101982261>Refuse to buy smartphonesFound you the perfect phone - https://thenophone.com/
>>101983266maybe check out black friday sales for a cheap 7800x3d bundle with any luck, 9000x3d might push prices down a bit furtherif you're not in a rush and can wait, you can wait for 5000 series nvidia to drive down 4000 series prices, or just go with AMD when they release their equivalent if you don't care about RT or whatever features you won't use
>>101983414it was worthwhile a long time agomaybe you don't need DDR5 but at least upgrade to DDR4
>>101983331My main issue is that when I built my PC back in the day the components were super cheap relative to now with the nvidia x70 series being around $350 whereas now you have the gimped 4070 for around $500 and then the decent 4070 super for ~$650-700ish. It's just stupid pricing to me. At least on the CPU front there are several cheap options but the GPU market is completely fucked and the main reason putting me off. An $800 PC even as recent as 2016 was basically high end and would last you just fine up to now assuming you're sensible with your settings. An $800 PC now feels like it'd last a couple of years max especially if you buy one of these gimped cards with only 8gb vram. And the additional features like RT acceleration and kinda pointless because it's not viable at playable framerates outside of the uber extreme end of the market. The entire GPU market just sucks based on my research.
>>101983414It will, just grab AM4 motherboard with 4 mem slots and Zen 3 CPU that ajusts to your needs, for ArcGIS you might want a decent one (Ryzen 5+) as it is CPU heavy as well
>>101983414a microcenter bundle might be a good option if possible
>>101974728I got a 79xtx cheap coming soon >>101974889Not bad i had a 5600x you'll be very happy
>>101983437CPU isn't really the issue. Ryzen is cheap which is actually a positive compared to back in the day when intel was selling 4 core processors for $250. GPU is the main issue for me. Even the used offerings suck like the rtx 3000 series. I guess the radeon 6000 series can be found for cheap but if I want to be stuck with feature-lacking graphics hardware then I may as well stick with the console in that case. Nvidia GPUs and their features like RTX HDR is a nice selling point.
>>101983490in 2016 you would have gotten a 1060 with 3gb for $200 and it's as good as a 6gb 3050 for $150.buy a 4060 for $300 and it has 2x the fps.I would admit the speed of progress is slower, and I don't have high hopes of 3nm and below, but I think in the future we are going to stack chips for more performance, but I don't think GPU's are going to get cheaper, we will just unlock more performance paying more.So in my prediction, I think if you buy a 4090 it will take 10 years before $1600 (+ inflation) will double the performance of the 4090, and that 4090 will last for many years after (unless 3nm and 2nm end up being better than expected and no stacking is needed).Also vram doesn't matter, I use a 1660 TI 6gb (I got it last year for $70) and the only games I can't run is dragons dogma 2 (because my CPU is too slow, and I don't want to play it). But I would need a better GPU if I didn't have a 165hz 1080p monitor (and frame limiters are required to give stable framerates). When you use lower settings and lower resolution, vram does not matter. 1440p is weird for watching movies and 4k forces you to buy a 4x more expensive GPU.I don't suggest buying USED GPU's unless you are buying a 1660 super/ti or whatever you find for cheap, used 4060's and above are terrible value, and mid at best (a 3080 for $300 is as good as a 4070 but still mid and you deserve to be scammed with random crashes for paying so much), a 4070 tends to give 2x more fps than a 4060 and that's good value.
>>101983344>18 fps lmao what
>>101983344>Frame Generation: On>Super Resolution: 75What a cucked state we are in for GPUs, relying on fake resolution and fake frames in order to make a game playable.
>>101983344>a top of the line gpu that barely gets triple digit fpsthese dogshit retarded pisslow game devs should be held accountable for the unoptimized garbage they keep sellingyet you faggots still keep buying and gobbling up all the shit they push out
>>101975234Stop buying their dogshit I haven't touched nvidia since 2018 when the 2080ti cost over 800usd because nobody bought one at least i got it cheap and rocked it for 5yrsAmd and intel gpus are fine my a770 oc is quite capable and the 6900xt is a great gpu its around 4070-4080 speed for 1/3 the price when you oc it and uv + tweaks it's a no brainer only sold mine to get a 79xtx
Now that I have a server rack I'm thinking of switching from a desktop case to a rack case. Anyone know some good ones?
>>101975284Dont care rdna 2 and 3 are good enough everyone's sick of nvidoit pushing ai and rt for a decade now im happy to go back to raster zen 5 is a dud guess ill wait for Zen 8 or whatever is after am5 because its also a dud memory and interconnection layer if fabric cucked bottlenecks
>>101982417gsync monitors all have fans in them
>>10197531422gb 2080t on Ali express or 3090 used take your pick bare in mind all nvidia cards after 1000 series are all memory and bandwidth starved
>>101975926Because weve gone back to brute force die shrinkage has basically stopped>>101975833The titan xp had that almost a decade ago wtf are nvidia doing even my 68xt and a770 had 16gb 3yrs ago
>>101976071The 4090 laptop is barely 4070 tier on desktop just get a fucking pc
>>101983414 this >>101983516. Get a 3700x or 3800x. You can snag one on eBay for less than $75 (just bought one of each). I run 32gb of 3200 and find that's sufficient and hardly use more than about 65% of total RAM.
>>101980566Enjoy eye strain from smaller screens glued to your noseI've had 30"+ monitors and 60" tvs for over a decade now
>>101982110I like mine for extra HDMI dp dp alt and usb c
>>101983833a 3090 is essentially a 4070 in FPS (half in terms of memory bandwidth).a 2080 TI is inbetween a 4060 and 4060 TI (about the same bandwidth as a 4070).memory bandwidth only matters for LLM AI's (not for stable diffusion), or you don't want to enable DLSS for 4k for some reason (run 1440p or 1080 upscaled).
>>101983930>(half in terms of memory bandwidth)*a 3090 has 2x more bandwidth than a 2080 TI.it's a really good GPU for a dual GPU setup for LLM's, most GPU's are poor choices for dual GPU because the speed of the LLM is divided in half every time you double the vram used, a 3090 would run at around 30-40 tokens per second when all 24gb are filled, if you had 48gb with 2 gpu's it would run at 15 tokens per second.
>>101983627>I got a 79xtx cheap coming soontempted.
>>101983717NTA, but for someone with a 1060 3gb and only about $100-150 to spend, is a 1660ti, 6600 or a580 worth it for 1080p? CPU is 3800x, use is for some light gaming, photo and 1080p video editing.
>>101984133save more money instead of buying deprecated shit that you need to upgrade in less than half a year again
>>101974608I can tell you from personal experience that sitting in that posture all the people in this picture are farting
>>101984133not really, I think your GPU is fine because the settings that I run barely use 1gb of vram for the games I play.if you wanted to play a AAA game, I would just buy a 4060. 5060 might not be bad if it's $300.
>>101984396*and I went from a 970 to a 1660 ti, and my 970 had a minor hardware problem (freezes when walking up from sleep), and I got gsync (gtx 970 supports high end gsync monitors, but not budget freesync + gsync compatible monitors).The FPS improvement was mid, but for $70 I got what I paid for.A 4060 is like 2x the FPS of a 1660 TI, and 2.5x a 1060 3gb, it's a no brainer, I can reach 120fps, but I typically limit the FPS down to 80 so the fans are not spinning at 100% because the GPU is 3 feet away from my face (on my desk, open case).But the 1660 TI is one of the more quiet GPU's, a 4060 isn't going to be much more quiet but it will be more quiet if you limit it down to the same fps of the 1660 ti.
Is it worth buying dust filters for my PC? It didn't come with one. It's apparently on sale for $5 but shipping costs $20. That's the cheapest I can find it for. Amazon sells them for $60.
Thinking about getting a corsair rm850x shift for my 6700 xt build, which I know is excessive, but it should run super quiet (under 10db under normal load) and last if I ever need that extra headroom. Does this make sense, or am I wasting money.
>>101984795Why Shift specifically?And most PSU with fans don't even have the fans on unless it's during heavy load. Any PSU fan will be 0db at normal load.
>>101981700the 285K will be worse than the 9950X for production, the 9800X3D will be king of games, Intel will have Stans that get the 285K because it offers similar performance to the 14900k but it will be more expensive than the 9950X.The ultra 5 line-up might end up being the budget gaming kings depending on how retardedly priced AMD wants to keep the 9600X>>101981723Stop being anti semitic
Hello anons, I'm building a workstation PC for 3d modeling, EE school, and game dev. I used a i7 lenovo yoga with the igpu so this is huge for me.Reason for upgrade is I can no longer play counter strike, since cs2 is way too demanding than csgo so I sold my entire inventory and put a $900 budget for PC.Can someone recommend me a budget GPU to make the workflow comfortable in Blender and Unreal? I no longer care for gaming performance. Here are my current specs:i7-12700KThermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE CPU Air CoolerMSI PRO Z790-P (bundled with cpu)TEAMGROUP Elite DDR5 2x8GB 4800MHzCorsair RM750e (2023) fully modularMontech AIR 903 BaseSAMSUNG 990 EVO SSD 1TB + whatever I rip from my laptopI'm considering the gtx 1650 super or something similar price, I don't want to spend more than $150-200 if I can help it.
>>101984965forgot picrel
>>101983891>>101983471>>101983516>>101983617https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006815/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-48gb-ddr5-5200-kit,-computer-build-bundleIs this a pretty good microcenter deal then?
>>1019849654060 any lower you might as well stick to 480p FSR upscale of cs2 using the 12700k IGPU, use a frame limiter might help with stutters
>>101985026yup that's even a bigger jump in perf
>>101984965> I'm considering the gtx 1650 super or something similar price, I don't want to spend more than $150-200 if I can help it.you can get 6650 xt for $200it'll work just fine + decent for gaming. definitely better than 1650 super
what would YOU personally change?budget in range of 1500-1700 eur. i dont care about locale or prices for that matter. im just talking about the build in general.go intel instead?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BsKKWt
>>101985039but I don't need it for gaming anymore, I used money I got from csgo to buy PC and pocket the rest. Also the igpu in my laptop ran cs2 at 80fps 4:3 1280×960 all low perfectly fine. I'm just looking for GPU to speed up my workflow in Blender and Unreal.
>>101985077>1500-1700 eur.also that isnt set in stone so it doesnt need to exactly fall into that range. im just not looking to get a 4090 or something else that has that poor $/fps ratio
>>101976466I did lol
>>101985073>6650 xt for $200wow that's is impressive card, looking at amazon there is one for $209 and it's on par with rtx 3060 12gb on gpu passmarkas aside, is there a reason why the rtx 3060 is now ~$285 in the US I thought they were a lot more expensive.unfortunately blender doesn't support AMD cards
>>101985081you want an nvidia GPU for blender.but for game development you don't need a beefy gpu for blender since you are just making models, and I think it's a bad idea to go for a 1650 super if you want to support low spec gamers, it will force you to optimize :)If you would rather buy new, a 3050 6gb would be the same fps.
>>101985118I haven't checked the scene in a while but HIP RT is now available (experimental) and it's way faster than before
>>101985144>I think it's a bad idea to go for a 1650 super if you want to support low spec gamers*not a bad idea
>>101985144thanks anon, the 3050 6gb is cheaper than the 1650 super and has the same performance so I think I will go with that>>101985145I began looking for parts at start of August and I couldn't find a clear answer if AMD was decent or not, recent reddit posts still show that NVIDIA is better for Blender atm. But my models are low poly, I just don't want it to lag every time I zoom/rotate.
>>101985144the 3050 and 1650 are so shit even the RX6600 are better.https://www.guru3d.com/review/msi-rtx-3050-gaming-x-8g-review/page-25/>>101985242hold up, don't waste your money
>>101985242I should warn you the 3050 6gb is garbage, it is the worst GPU you could possibly buy than barely does better than the IGPU from ryzen (the 8700g). It's like a steamdeck (but it's like 8x the fps of your IGPU, so like 10fps in cyberpunk -> 80fps on 1080p lowest low settings).
>>101985278>>101985278>>101985278
>>101984832The shift is what they have in stock near me and my case is compatible with it. Comparing it to other models it appears to run quieter. The rm750e for comparison says to run at 20-25db upt to ~330W.
>>101985004>bluevomited
