what can we expect from Lunar Lake?
planning on migrating (part of) my home server to a NUC

>>101985259
I can try win an ebay bid for a rtx 3060 ti
otherwise I will just wait for a good deal/sale
I'm not in hurry to get a GPU since the 12700K has a igpu I can use in the meantime

I already have the monitor in this parts list, as well as an LG C1 that can do 4k/120 with g-sync or freesync. Is what I've got a good build, and what mobo should I get?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QFNFQP

>>101985410
fair.

>>101985410
looking at sold listings it's pretty mid, average at around $200.
honestly the seller is getting a better deal, they just bought a $400 GPU and sold it for $200, they probably spent that money to get a 4080 super.
do you really want to save $100 when a 4060 is $300 and the same speed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYSl_6kzJU4
If you care about how long the GPU lasts, and how big the GPU and CPU bottleneck is (a better CPU will help with compiling however), you might as well spend $600 on a 4070 because you spend 2x more than a 4060 for 2x more fps, and it better fits a i7 12700k, and it will be "future proofed".
But I suggest looking at facebook marketplace for a 1660 super or TI (if you live in a densely populated area), it's slightly better than a 3050 and 1650 TI, and I found mine for less than $100, and if you get scammed it's not much of a loss. Mid range (more like minimum requirement to run AAA games at lowest settings 1080p) gpu's like the 3060 ti are poorly priced because people don't actually want to sell them, and people are willing to buy them for 50% of the cost they paid + it's old as fuck so you are saving like maybe 30% in terms of cost per frame (divide the cost of the GPU with the FPS in a game you care about, but there are like 20 variables that affect FPS, so you need to compare numbers using exactly the same hardware + settings).

>>101985410
> But my models are low poly, I just don't want it to lag every time I zoom/rotate.
Take it for what it's worth, but I've got 7600 xt and zero lag issues in blender w/ ~23,000 poly count model I just threw in (vrm at that, too). It's all smooth.

>>101985552
I didn't even know the 40 series was an option
about the same price, performance, and better power efficiency
is right now somehow the best time to build a PC because prices look reasonable unlike previous few years when I followed this general

>>101985619
thanks to all anons who gave me advice, I will keep an eye on the rtx 3060/4060 atm and wait for a good deal

looking to buy a new monitor, maybe two.

needs : I play a lot of FPS video games
>144hz
>low response time
>1440p

want to avoid

>oled, I don't like burn in and I don't want to perform maintenance to avoid it.
>screen smearing when I'm scrolling shit online or watching movies
>curved monitors

whatever, it is what it is
>ultrawide.

>>101985659
prices don't tend to change unless there is a disturbance, which is usually caused by performance gaps (empty gap, other company fills it), or new GPU's (50 series will come out in 2025 I think, there is a chance the 5060 is a upgrade to the 4060 for the same price, but maybe not because new silicon is more expensive than historical cost).
Disturbances are bad for both nvidia and AMD because they both want the prices to be high, and ATM a lot of cards are well priced (the most you will be scammed on is a 3090 for $1000 or a 3050, and it's not unreasonable if you buy it for the right purpose).
don't expect more than a 10% discount (unless price history says otherwise), and usually the cheapest GPU will always be the cheapest GPU (either due to bad or loud cooling / scummier warranty / chinese who? brand). You can check the price history on pcpartpicker OR keepa for amazon.
right now is not bad but it has always been not bad, only peak covid silicon shortage have we seen prices go 1.5x higher for no reason.

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https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-HR-09-2280-Double-Sided-Soldering/dp/B09XM5X7K1
Does the black coating impact performance in any way compared to bare aluminum?

>>101985980
The paint gives it greater surface area. It says so right in your picture

>>101985993
it's not paint, the natural oxide layer is pigmented

is there any legitimate reason to build a windows XP retro machine? cant i just play all the games on windows 11 in one way or another?

>>101986006
Excuse me.
The pigmented natural oxide layer gives it greater surface area. It says so right in the picture.

>>101985762
dell g2724d

No bfi/backlight strobing but it's a good and cheap all-arounder.

>>101986017
The item description says they're the exact same size and weight

>>101985762
i need you to understand oled is easy to avoid just dont spend 800 plus on it

>>101985762
just get oled for $600 and get a new one in 4 years. KTC ones go for that. MSI ones go for $700
burn in issue is outdated from 6 years back

>>101986053
Here is a photo of tv where two dudes played 8000k hours of one single game ont it, idiots even disabled oled protection features. Think it was apex, but it took them 8k hours to burn that UI image in. Basically 2.5 years of non stop playing.

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>>101986209
and the photo

>>101986226
Lol the absolute state of OLED fags not even my plasma or older phone amoleds are this bad or my VR headset

>>101986276
you have to be very retarded to play one single game for eight thousand horus, it's not an issues to any midwit gamer

>>101986293
horus?

thoughts on thermal pads?
or just stick with whatever paste im given with a heatsink?

>>101986392
just use arctic MX series
but those pads are revolutionary desu

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How do I make this shit eat more vram? Is this an CPU issue?

>>101986434
put texture to cinematic, duh
also VRAM is directly proportional to resolution, when I tested it at 1440p it took about 7.2Gb everything on cinematic, game is well optimized if we exclude RT

>30 minutes to compile kernel

>>101986416
figured
but if we get to a point where a pad is included with a heatsink universally, i would not complain

>>101986392
amazing if you can get them(PTM7950), will last for a decade too, I'd have to find them to repaste my 7900 because of the thermal paste pumping issue due to how the chip is set up
in any other case >>101986416

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I also noticed this. Is my MB trying to explode my CPU but the cpu is too weak to blow? Or a bad sensor? (second hand MB)
>>101986456
Yeah I thought it wouldn't even launch. Either good job at optimizing or the 10 series is black magic. Or both.

>>101986497
enable pbo your cpu is begging to boost higher

>>101986497
It's a deliberate overclock by your board maker to try to get your CPU to boost higher
It won't kill itself because x3d CPUs have very strict hard coded limits anyway

>>101986549
Nvm just saw it's a 5600
That just means it's hitting one of the other limits that isn't PPT

>>101986566
it's pegged at 4.45 GHz
for some reason ryzens boost 50 MHz higher than the advertised boost clock. so with pbo you get +250 MHz for free

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>>101985278
>Which am4 processor has the sweet spot of performance/temperature(aka energy saving)?
I like the punch of the 9 5900x/5950 but it takes too much power and usually I put them to work in heat environments, so it is a plus for me this can be held with less temperature possible.
>What is the cheapest yet usable, graphic card right now?
since this is going to be to all except gaming, I don't mind to have 20GB VRAM.
This made me remember a question from a long time I have been roaming, if you don't have and iGPU and graphic card, you get a console type video?

>>101986497
What is it with AAA titles not having foreign dubs anymore?

>>101986828
>9 5900x
Patrician's choice

>>101986837
Everybody knows english

>>101986828
you can set your own power limit
and no you don't get any video output

I built my pc a few months ago and have been using cinnamon as the os, but I want to mod games on the side. I was told I needed to get windows. Is files.rg a reliable site?

Is "G-Sync compatible" as good nowadays as straight up having a G-Sync module? I noticed a lot of new monitors don't have the module and I'm not up-to-date enough to know if it's because the module has been deemed redundant or what.

>>101987016
you can mod games with linux
if you want windows download it from microsoft.com - it's free

>>101987016
Steamtinkerlaunch gives you option to install vortex mod manager, you can also just manually drag and drop files and do it your self if you can be fucked.

79xtx for 800usd posted just shipped may auspost bros bless mee

>>101987048
LFC is pretty much standard now
The only thing missing in most gsync compatible displays is variable overdrive, but this feature is only for LCDs and pointless for OLEDs anyway
So a good oled gsync compatible display is about as good as it gets until gsync pulsar picks up and we get more displays that support black frame insertion with VRR enabled

Is the 5700x3D still good for a new build or is the 7000 series the minimum nowadays. I'm trying to keep costs down as much as possible and I don't plan on upgrading the CPU and platform for at least 5 years. But I may upgrade the GPU in that time.

>>101987119
Guess I'll hold off on buying any new monitor then for now, since the only "issue" I have is that my main monitor won't accept Steam Deck's output for whatever reason.
Thanks for the answer!

>>101987234
go with 7500f/7600/7600x

>>101986011
Only as a passion project
If you're worrying about compatibility, just run a VM

>>101987268
Is 16gb system ram still good enough or is 32gb recommended

>>101987317
32gb

>>101986978
Guess so, but if you want to learn another language, it sucks.

please r8 my build: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gpDyjH
already have an rx 6600 so it's not included

>>101987317
I recommend 48, and I have 64.

>>101987317
oh, I have 64 because into ai. for games 32 is fine.

>>101987406
H610 doesnt support xmp so your capped at 3200 iirc

Is this a good value upgrade if I'm coming from an i5 8400 and gtx 1070 build? It's going to be hooked up to a 1440p monitor that I already have

https://www.palicomp.co.uk/pc_of_the_week_140423

>>101987490
oh no, he's going to lose 1% cpu performance when pretty much every single game will be gpu bottlenecked with the rx 6600...
A used prebuilt with a usable PSU is probably the best option if anon wants to save money (but maybe anon needs the CPU perf for something).

>>101987689
Anyone?

>>101987843
For £600 you'd be hard-pressed to do better but it's not something I'd build without that heavy discount.

>>101987865
I was thinking I could flog the 4060 to a friend who's strapped for cash for ~£200 and then add in a 4070 or something similar. Would that still be good value? Or would something like an upgrade bundle be better:

https://www.awd-it.co.uk/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-six-core-5-3ghz-msi-pro-b650m-p-motherboard-cpu-bundle.html

I already have a case so I'd need to buy ram, new PSU and an Nvme SSD

>>101987922
that's not good value, talking about the link
7600 with board is less than 300 euro, should be cheaper in pounds

>>101985278
Upgrading to 3080ti. Will 12gb of vram be enough for atleast 3 years at 1440p with DLSS quality?

>>101987946
According to PCPP it's actually a few pounds cheaper unless I'm retarded

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HMRQTn

>>101987966
Probably

>>101986011
As another anon mentioned you're going to have compatibility issues if you run old games on windows 10/11. You might try to build a retro PC for it, but you might have troubles finding proper old drivers for all your hardware. Somehow less painful way is to buy an old laptop for this purpose.
I would go with Linux, it has everything you need and nowadays tools like PlayOnLinux install all the stuff your games require automatically.

>>101987922
>I was thinking...
Yeah I guess it would be fine. You'd basically be paying £850 for a 4070 build which is still good value.

>would something like an upgrade bundle...
That kind of depends on your budget and performance targets. If you only have £600, or £850, to swing then the Palicomp bundle would offer far better performance than whatever you can put together piecemeal.
On the other hand, if you've got a £1200 budget then DIY could get you both better performance and higher quality components. My main problem, FWIW, with the Palicomp PC is that everything but the card is kind of crappy. Of course the price reflects that so it's up to you.

Basically you're asking two questions here:
1: Is the Palicomp PC good value?
Yes.
2: Should I buy it or DIY?
What's your budget?

>>101988047
thanks. my budget was ~£800.

>>101988200
>was
is*

Is there a single monitor that is not shit or has immense QC issues? You can find systemic problems for every single product if you search for it.
I just want a damn 4k 144hz monitor that I won't have to send back.

>>101986304
Formerly ours currently yours

>>101987317
64gb minimum wish I got 128gb

>>101988222
AW3225QF

>>101988222
My mi curved 34" has had zero issues

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>>101988002
>As another anon mentioned you're going to have compatibility issues if you run old games on windows 10/11
This is why Dege created our lord and saviour, dgvoodoo2. https://github.com/dege-diosg/dgVoodoo2/releases

>>101988200
Thanks. In that case you either need to get £250 for the 4060 or up your budget as the cheapest 4070 I can see is around £450.
If you can save another £100 then full DIY becomes viable (vs. the frankenPC) eg. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YXGML9
This build wouldn't perform much better but it does avoid the general crappiness of the Palicomp. Well worth the money IMO.
The next step up would be around £1100 (eg. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fJHjwg) where you're getting noticeably better performance /and/ some platform longevity. This option does blow the budget, however.
Please bear in mind these lists are just 5 minute examples - not fully optimized.

>>101987730
what games that are worth playing actually need better than an rx 6600? genuinely can't think of one

>he buyed radeon

>>101988385
>Her drivers aren't included in the kernel

which one for htpc
>fx-8350/4.4/2600/1730cl9
>i5-4590/1600cl8

>>101988415
i5 all day. HTPC is not the place to use vishera.

>buy $1k gpu
>still get shader cache stutter
enjoy wasting your money

>>101988428
it's for linux gaming
I might have to test both and see which one is faster in my games

>>101988449
The i5. It was faster in 2012 or so and is faster today. If you were clocking the 8350 near 5ghz maybe it would be useful but then you are dealing with nearly 200w.

>>101988459
have to test it in wreckfest, the game runs on only 2 threads
mind you my piledriver is tuned the reviewers ran the uncore slow

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>he buyed radeon

>>101988335
cheers, that pc looks good. how comes the 1200kf is so cheap despite having 10 cores when ryzen with 6 cores is more expensive or around the same price?

>>101988580
You're a faggot if you pay retail for that button masher.

>>101988585
Fake cores. It inflates the scores in MT benchmarks but actually makes the pc slower due to scheduling issues.

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I'm looking for a decent 1440p OLED monitor that doesn't cost as much as a used car. Is there a comprehensive list of which ones are the best? Which coating, OLED panel type, Displayport 2.1, good color calibration, how bad the burn-in is etc.

>>101988599
....so i shouldn't buy it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iorNGpBQczQ

this review makes it look really performant

>>101988634
i'm an amd "fanboy" but these alder lake cpus are actually good. you can disable the fake cores in bios

>>101988585
Hard to say with these older components. I'll shrug my shoulders and say market forces. You should note, however, that the 8-core 5700X performs about the same as the 12600K. If you wanted you could swap the 5700X in but I think the 12600KF offers a slightly better package overall.

>>101986916
>>101986997
That's it, thanks for your kind comments.

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Oh my gorn it's beautiful!

>>101988647
>>101988649
i watched a benchmark video of a 7500f vs the 12600kf and the 7500f was a good bit faster and i can get it for £88 w/discount (pre-import tax) on aliexpress. thoughts?

>>101988698
Going to AM5 would increase your BOM due to needing DDR5. Similar to my second build in >>101988335. It's a good deal, and I'd be happy to build it, but know you're up at £1k now.

>>101988743
what about this:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/d7b6kJ

using this bundle:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007474390040.html

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I have a retarded question. What the hell do people do on "work stations"?
I've seen people talk about how they need a thread ripper and 64GB of RAM but they don't mention what they use it for.

>>101988698
yes that's a better processor
intel is kind of a joke these days

Trying to find a gamepad/controller, looked at things like the 8bitdo but those have low polling rates. Anyone have experience with gamepads?

>>101988845
work I imagine

>>101988612
basically it comes down to how bright your room is, we have 7 months of winter, with darkness at around 4 PM here, so qd oled with matte is fine for example
There is a Asus XG27AQDMG with older LG panel, but it's glossy now. My only reservation about WOLED is newer qd-oled panels are given 3 year burn in warranty, so something is going on on samsung front that they are this sure.
MSI MAG 271QPX QD-OLED E2 is the cheapest, with good calibation, mentioned Asus gamma is shit btw, crushed blacks, needs adjusting.
You can also find Samsung G60SD cheap enough, 360hz compared to MSI MAG. Decent calibration out of box with slight OSD tuning.
>Displayport 2.1
not worth it.

I'd look at 32" panels, MSI MAG 321UP is alright. 4k though.

>>101988856
gamesir g7 se or gamesir g7 he, i think they're called. both have hall effect sticks and are capable of 1000hz polling. the he is like $5 more but comes with mechanical buttons and rubber hand grips.

do proper research though, i've seen a one off comment about the se not being able to use the headphone jack when you enable 1000hz but that might just be user error.

>>101988828
It's good. I'd take it over the Palicomp bundle or 12600KF build but I am a bit weary of the A620 board. It'll limit your upgrade options and might have trouble hitting DDR5-6000. I'd also definitely spend the extra £13 on the original CL30 kit since Hynix dies are easier to get stable. I do trust you're comfortable ordering off Aliexpress?

>>101988865
And what type of work consumes so much ram? all I have came across ram-hungry was solidworks, but it doesnt need cpu - just ram, NVME and workstation (so was said at my previous job) GPU.

>>101988907
thanks. the reddit reviews make it sound like a solid pairing with the 7500

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/12l6i6w/motherboard_msi_pro_a620me_am5_8499_newegg/

>>101988907
>>101988945
> I do trust you're comfortable ordering off Aliexpress?

i've ordered a few cheap things off there like replacement headphone cups and stuff like that with no issues. i also see quite a few budget pc builders on youtube using it for cheap parts.

>>101988945
The vrm isn't particularly good but it will handle the little 6 core. Just be wary if you want to get a bigger cpu later

>>101988982
I actually got a 7700x/ Kingston fury memory kit, and a B650 mortar off aliexpress, zero issues all you ahve to be careful about choosing a store to order from.

>>101988945
Sure it is but a) the IO is lacking (which might be fine for you) and b) might be late in getting BIOS updates for Zen5/6 X3D. Plus the VRM looks weak so an R9 upgrade is out of the picture. Probably not a big deal but it's there.
There's also no BIOS flash button so if you get a pre-06/23 production board you'll need some way to update it eg. local PC shop.

Hi, could somebody have a look at my build.
From Germany, monitor is Asus vg278, budget is 1300€. Less would be better. Gaming and programming mostly.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RM9Xwg

>>101988580
What AMD has to do with it?

>>101989043
do you still have the link?

how does AMDs 3D cache effect power efficiency, if at all

>>101989041
>>101989047
thanks for the info

>>101988876
>I'd look at 32" panels, MSI MAG 321UP is alright. 4k though.
Nah, 32" seems way too overkill. And I'm not entirely sold on 4k res for modern gaming.

>>101988612
>Is there a comprehensive list of which ones are the best? Which coating, OLED panel type, Displayport 2.1, good color calibration, how bad the burn-in is etc.
https://www.displayninja.com/best-oled-monitor/

>Which coating, OLED panel type
As a rule, all the QD-OLEDs (except for the Samsung models) are glossy, and all the WOLED ones (except the ROG Strix OLED XG27AQDMG) are matte. PCPP allows you to filter by OLED type under the panel sidebar:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/

In the 1440p class you want 2024 models and the surefire way to know other than using the above chart from DisplayNinja is if it's 240Hz it's current-gen WOLED, and if it's 360Hz it's current-gen QD-OLED. Any panels lower refresh than those are using older generations that have worse clarity and performance, but are also a few hundred dollars less on clearance. Beyond picking which overarching OLED type, the actual brand model-to-model differences are negligible and you should just go with the lowest cost option.

>good color calibration
All OLEDs of either type due to their color gamut and volume in the case of QD-OLED are piss-easy to calibrate even without a colorimeter.

>how bad the burn-in is etc.
Burn in is a concern if you use the display 24/7 on the static desktop which is why it's recommended to either keep your current LCD for non-gaming/video or buy a cheap office LCD for normie stuff/web browsing to pair with it. Keep in mind OLEDs come with a 3-year burn-in warranty these days and as long you run the refresh cycles diligently when prompted by the display it won't become a problem in all-likelihood for many years.

>>101989096
Basically not at all. The X3D versions do have a reduced power limit so they're more efficient stock-to-stock but not due to the cache itself. You might see a small benefit in cache intensive applications where the X3Ds would see lower IO die utilization but it'd be like 10W tops.

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>>101989096
They use like no power because of lower stock voltages
>https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-cpu-review/2

>>101989276
>AVX disabled

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>>101989281
Yes

>>101989208
>Any panels lower refresh than those are using older generations that have worse clarity and performance
MSI used 3rd gen Smasung QDs for it's 240 and 165hz monitors, I think it simply didn't make the cut for refresh rate OC, but in everything else it should be the same.

>>101989199
>32" seems way too overkill.
bigger is better ungaboonga
>And I'm not entirely sold on 4k res for modern gaming.
me neither, but TAA is a thing, and the higher your res is the less it blures

>>101989064
Hey can some of you faggots help me. Thanks.

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>>101989064
1. Saved €30 on the RAM
2. Swapped the 7600X for the 7600 non-X and just enable PBO and you get same performance for another ~€30 off
3. Save €4 for with the ARGB version of the Peerless Assassin. If you don't like RGB you can disable it in BIOS or just not plug in the LED power
4. The ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi has 1 more NVME slot, an extra USB 3.2 Gen 1 Header, and is €15 cheaper. If you really want a full-ATX mobo, then the Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX is basically equivalent to the MSI model but €23 cheaper (unless you really need 2.5 Gb/s LAN)
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qcbRsY,szfxFT,CvcgXL/
5. Saved €16 on your NVME. You won't notice any speed differences between PCIE Gen 3 vs Gen 4 drives in coding or gaming
6. The 6900 XT is actually a few % faster than the 7800 XT while being €12 cheaper
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/31.html
7. Saved you €13 off your PSU with the same spec unit from Thermaltake

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/mYsfN6
Total saved: €118

>>101989341
Huh that's interesting to know.

>>101989470
he needs 2tb anon, game devs are getting lazy these days

ff16:170 gb
cod warzone 200gb+
gow ragnarok 190gb
ubishit and ea games 90+gb

>>101989208
Very thorough post. Thanks, anon.

>>101989359
>bigger is better ungaboonga
Not really. Pixel density matters.
>me neither, but TAA is a thing,
>defending TAA
blind retarded faggot. Imagine wasting money on a 4k display then smearing the image with the shit TAA.

>>101989602
Fair point, he can also add another drive later if the 1TB model gets full. But if he'd like to spring for more capacity at the start then I'd recommend this for €75 (actually a better €/GB deal than 1TB models):
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/vLGhP6/western-digital-wd-blue-sn5000-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t4b0e

>>101989643
>Pixel density matters.
109 vs 140 PPI
>then smearing the image with the shit TAA
every single game right now has TAA that you can't disable.

Even going from a 27" 4k lcd to a 32" 4k oled the small drop in pixel density was noticeable, but well worth the tradeoff given the other benefits the oled brings.

>>101989697
>163 PPI vs 140 PPI
It's decently big drop. But 1440p 27" to 32" 4k is a bigger increase.

for some reason 55" 4K TV looks pin sharp but smaller 4K monitors look less sharp despite having way higher ppi. maybe TV's use a special layer to combat this or other sharpness tech. it's weird.

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>>101989732
>for some reason 55" 4K TV looks pin sharp but smaller 4K monitors look less sharp despite having way higher ppi. maybe TV's use a special layer to combat this or other sharpness tech. it's weird.
TVs tend to all be high gloss coated, while monitors outside of OLED tend to be matte finish. The matte finish causes internal light scattering of adjacent sub-pixels that can contribute to a hazy/non-sharp image.

>>101989470
Thanks. I'll think about it. Getting a last gen card seems gay though.
>>101989602
Yes, you are right. The troondevs make bloat software.

>>101986011
there are some features only available on XP and lower, like EAX for example

t. just built a retro XP w/ Phenom II, GTX 650 Ti and Sound Blaster Rx, fun

>>101989759
one thing that also confuses me is how much more 4k 144hz monitors are compared to 4k 144hz tv's, despite tv's being way bigger, having way more features and tech (way better HDR support and quality, dolby vision/atmos, smart TV features, image processor), more ports, and so on.

>>101988845
>Simulate production environments with myriads of Virtual Machines
>Design and render complex 3D projects
>Run AI models
>Edit 8k raw video footage
>Run many scraping bots for AI training

All of the above require a generous amount of processing power and memory, be it on CPU or GPU

>>101989828
The tl;dr is mass production is dictated by TVs - monitors are a significantly smaller market that often demand features TVs don't use often.

>>101989823
EAX can be supported on modern windows through various means. https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Glossary:Sound_card#Restore_legacy_audio_effects_on_newer_OS

>>101989881
they all suck compared to the real deal

>>101989886
Turns out nobody cares how games sound, only look. It is why EAX and trueaudio died for your sins.

>>101989902
yes, and?

>buy a brand new M2 SSD
>literally unseal it myself
>install it
>PC boots up into grub rescue
>???
>restart
>can't POST at all, no errors
>an hour of power cycling and clearing CMOS later, still nothing
Huh? Did the Mossad get me?

>>101989643
Who is this anon haha

>>101989947
>be retarded
>can't even install a m.2 correctly
>I bet jews did this

>rx 6650 xt $220 new
>rx 6700 (non-xt) $220 used
which one? It's just for 1080p. No, I will not spend more.

>>101990227
$220 is too much for a used 6700, get the 6650XT

>>101990243
Alright. How much should a used 6700 go for?

>>101990313
180-200, the 6700/6650XT and 7600 are all basically the same performance, the 6700 is the worst binned Navi 22 with 10gb of VRAM, the 6650XT is the best binned Navi 23 and the 7600 is regular binned Navi 33 and yet performance wise they're basically identical. so paying the same money for a used card makes no sense.

>>101990206
>never install Linux
>put in drive that's supposed to be empty
>see GRUB
Yeah I'm sure it was just a cosmic bitflip coincidence, retard.

>>101990393
Thanks m8. I'll get the 6650xt "SWFT" from bestbuy. I've read they can run a bit hot, if it does I might need to repaste it/put a PTM7950 pad on it (which adds to the price). Hopefully it's not too hard.

>>101990508
try doing an undervolt before anything

>>101989947
Supply chain attack?

>PTM
Kryosheet is better. Just kapton tape around the die if you're worried.

>>101991104
pcm pad > graphite pad
but theres new developments in making pcm graphite which may be the ultimate cpu/gpu thermal solution.

>>101991465
if only AiBs were using them instead of paste, they could for years and didn't

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Day 502 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

will RDNA4 be shit again?

>>101991624
next gen gpus from nvidia and amd will be same perf maybe 5-10% stronger at best. the real gains are powerdraw.

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poorfagbros, our time is coming

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20 years later and there's still not a monitor which has good contract, good motion clarity and good performance.

When is the expected release window for zen 5 apus?

>>101991717
I don't even know what this means

>>101991502
I consider AIBs at this point malicious entities.
They would rather degrade products and service to chase the pennies they do make rather than hurt Nvidia and stop being the sole suppliers in some areas

>>101991717
>CRTrannies
>play on crt because 'muh contrast and motion clarity'

>Counter strike pro players
>Play the game that most needs contrast and motion clarity at 600fps
>utterly autistic on their setups, disregard sponsors to play with familiar mouse keyboard and monitor
>even play at 800x600 so the perfect case scenario to play on an old CRT
>6 figure salaries on the line
>Millions of dollars on prizepools on the line
>play on TN panels

>>101991695
This kills the 7800X3D and the entire Zen 5 lineup (well not that it was ever truly alive to begin with).

What happened to the AMD 24.8.1 Drivers for Wukong?
Apparently they've been deleted and even the link on the announcement page links to 24.7.1.

>>101991695
>we paid for the entire wafer we're gonna sell the whole wafer
kek

How risky is it to continue using the same PSU I've been using for almost a decade now? I don't want to spend anything on a new PSU if I don't need to. My current PSU is

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/antec-hcg-620m/

>>101991865
gpu margins are already thin because of nvidia. thats the whole reason evga dropped out. the whole aib scam game is because nvidia is scamming them in the first place.

>>101991916
it got removed because it was listed as whql before it even got whql cert. instead you got this new beta driver.
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-24-10-37-01.html

>>101991954
>it got removed because it was listed as whql before it even got whql cert. instead you got this new beta driver.
REEEEEEEEEEE
Guess I have to wait ffs.

>>101991946
A quality PSU can last 15 years or more so long as it's got room to breath and isn't struck by lightning or something.

>>101991984
Will that PSU be enough to power a ryzen such as an R5 and a 4070/super?

>>101991942
It goes to show that CPUs are vastly overpriced and at least for AMD could be much saner values if they were purpose designed for the mainstream/budget market at the outset rather than being the tablescraps leftover after whatever they can feed the suckers in the DC/Server market.

>>101991954
>the whole aib scam game is because nvidia is scamming them in the first place
No shit, thought I made that clear.
But to put their name on bullshit rather than just cut ties just shows zero integrity.

>>101992041
Sad to say but integrity doesn't put food on the table.

>>101992041
they still got shareholders to pay

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>>101985278
Anything wrong with the galax 4060 1 click OC? Cheapest 4060 I could find.
Or should I go 3060 12G for a bit more expensive?

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>>101992017
It's a Seasonic unit rated for 620W continuous.
A 4070 Super runs ~218W under load when gaming:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/39.html
An R5 runs between 50-70W at max load in gaming.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/23.html
So total system draw if I'm being generous might be ~300W peak or half your rated PSU's output capacity, i.e. plenty of cushion.

>>101992124
Sweet. Whats the best bang for buck cpu to pair with a 4070/super between a 12400/12600 or r5 5600/r5 7600

>>101992084
4060 is 20% faster so dont bother with an overpriced 3060

>>101992056
>>101992061
So the situation must not be that bad then?
Why literally penny pinch?

>>101992210
The situation is pretty bad. All they need is one bad launch to ruin them like Intel's stock.

>>101991695
Binning will continue until the morale improves. Gluing the extra cache must not be that expensive.

>>101992261
7nm is a pretty old process by now, so the dies at least are cheap.

still rocking my R5-2600

why so many people shit on crucial's p3?

>>101992314
meanwhile, intel's 7nm alternative costs more than tsmc's 5nm

>>101991888
>this kills the 7800X3D
nah, AMD will price it so the 7800X3D is the better deal until the 9800X3D comes out.

>>101991946
just run it until you can afford to replace it.

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>>101992084
>Anything wrong with the galax 4060 1 click OC? Cheapest 4060 I could find.
>Or should I go 3060 12G for a bit more expensive?
If its the 8GB 4060 run away. That was a trap card set up Nvidia to scam buyers that automatically assumed newer gen card = better card. 8GB is not sufficient in 2024 IMO. What is your budget? Best bet at the lower is buying used.

>>101992191
>4060 is 20% faster so dont bother with an overpriced 3060
More like 6% faster with half the VRAM.

>>101992155
>Sweet. Whats the best bang for buck cpu to pair with a 4070/super between a 12400/12600 or r5 5600/r5 7600
This depends on the platform you are already on and if you need a new Mobo/RAM.
Right now the 12600 is about the same price as the 12400 rendering the latter irrelevant. It's slightly behind in games compared to the 7600 in gaming and equal to in applications but can use cheaper DDR4 RAM which makes it better than the 7600 in platform price/performance (the CPU is also $40 less expensive by itself). If you are JUST gaming however, the smart play is to pickup the 5700X3D off AliExpress which is about the 12600's price but with the performance of the 7600 (essentially it's a 5800X3D but minus 2 cores and little games are that well threaded in the first place):
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806921974699.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/27.html
AM4 + 32GB of DDR4 is still the price/performance champ below the enthusiast level for gaming.

>>101992449
>More like 6% faster with half the VRAM.
43/37 = 1.162 so its 16.2% faster
did you even go to school?

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>>101992449
LUL try again

>>101991888
I think that 8 cores will be quite useful in a number of scenarios still

>>101992539
>>101992569
43 - 37 = 6.
2 is 100% more than 1 but in absolute difference still only 1 more than 1. The 4060 and 3060 are too weak for large differences in their relative performance levels to mean much in effective nominal terms.

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China wins again

>>101992449
>5700X3D
How long will this last? Will it handle a RTX 6 series in 3 years time?

>>101992678
Huh, so 2 is 1% higher than 1

Will any 2tb nvme drive do for games?

>>101991886
Yeah they have shit taste. They play Counter Strike

>>101992792
Yes. NVME drives are a commodity like RAM.

>>101992692
Enjoy your hardware bugs
I rather use a a modern Pentium 2C/4T + Gigabyte motherboard than that chink X99

>>101992728
>How long will this last?
forever
if haswell cpus are still capable nowadays, imagine 8 cores with obese cache

>>101992862
>hardware bugs
you're just typing words that dont mean anything

>>101992959
alright don't complain afterwards when suddenly your mem slots stop workin
you've been warned

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are the next gen graphic cards out yet

>>101993087
this but ironically

>>101993087
7900xtx is out friend.

>>101993087
no not for 4 months or so

Would it be worth upgrading from a 5700X to a 5800X3D or should I just wait to get an entirely new platform on the next CPU cycle and drop my 4080 into it

>>101993145
No, and unless Arrow Lake is earth shattering you are better off waiting for the next cycle.

>>101993087
No and they weren't expected to be

>>101993145
5800X3D is very nice and will net you some big gains, the 9800X3D (whenever it comes out) should be at least 25% faster

>>101985980
Well, either they coated it with :
1. A substance which has a thermal transference rating that creates a significant negative impact on the product.
2. A substance which has a thermal transference rating that creates a negligible impact on the product.
3. A substance which has a thermal transference rating that creates a significant positive impact on the product.

It's probably not number 1, considering they are in the cooling game.

But, as a builder, you should always pick things that provide a generous buffer zone of power and cooling and performance so you don't get frustrated in a few months or a year and have to upgrade.

So with that buffer zone, the potential negative impact of black coating should not matter. An extra fan in your box will lower every component temp regardless.

Does anyone have any experience with Fractal Ridge?

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>>101991946
I've been using the PSU in picrel for at least 15 years now.

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Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4060 Eagle OC 8G
or
Palit GeForce RTX 4060 Dual OC

same prices

Do people actually spend $300 on a brand new 4060 instead of buying a used last gen card that will run circles around it in performance

>>101986293
I have an LG OLED TV that's developing pixel rot. It's not just burn-in.

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>>101992329
Based. Just replaced picrel with a 3800x last week. Just need to replace my 1060 3gb now.

>>101993660
in mordor (where i live) there is no used goods market
> $300
~400

>>101993621
>4060

You shouldn't be building a pc if you're this poor. Get a job faggot

>>101993749
my month salary at facroty is1200 rubles ($375)
fuck you, firstwolders

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Anyone have a recommendation for a supplemental PCI express video card with composite video output? An old model is fine so long as it works with Windows 10/11. I already have an Nvidia GPU but I'd like to have a second card to send a signal to an old TV.

>>101991718
Nobody knows?

>>101993200
However, by that time you should be able to build 2 5700x3d systems for the price of whatever 9___x3d amd releases, counting all components even (but I plead the 5th on gpu).

>>101993883
GTX 200
HD 4000
I'm telling you beforehand image will be shit, depending on your usecase there might be better alternatives

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>>101993621
>>101993621
>https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-4060-dual/38.html
Palit is better

Is the kfa2/galax 4080 Super ST good? Very few information online for this card

>>101993883
honestly, avoid nvidia. low quality stuff, just recognize you're on borrowed time.

My specs:
>5600
>16gb 3600 ddr4 ram
>1TB NVME
>3060 12GB

what could I upgrade that would let me gayme at at least 1080p

>>101993660
if you buy a used 3080, the person probably bought the GPU for $700 and now sold it for half the price to justify buying an even better GPU.
This would be reasonable if we lived in a world where GPU's did not improve over time (like how the engineering of car engines don't improve much over time in terms of miles per gallon and repairability).
But GPU's are the fastest improving part of your PC, and a 3080 for $300 on release would have been a steal, but today a 3080 is equal to a 4070 which is $550.
You are not saving 50% buying used, you are only saving around 30% in terms of cost per frame.
also the 3080 and 4070 is not a 2x improvement in fps over the 4060, it's more like 1.5x on average on 1080p and within vram limits (vram goes down with lower settings, including dlss).
If you want to buy used, go ahead, just remember the amount of money you save is MID at best, buy a used 1660 super/ti for $80 if you want a GPU that gives you 3x more cost per frame than a 4060 (even 3x better cost per frame sounds kind of mid when you are getting 80fps in cyberpunk and would have gotten 120fps with a 4060).

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>>101994224
>galax 4080 Super ST
The STD is literally the SG but without rgb. The SG is a decent card
>https://www.techpowerup.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-4080-super-sg/40.html

>>101985443
Pls help. Will be used for gaymen and work. In US, would like to keep it under $2500.

>>101994160
Windforce != Eagle
also, OC (overclocked) should be more hot

>>101994268
>1080p

Literally nothing should be giving you much of an issue. What are you trying to run

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>>101994268
if a 3060 isnt enough for you at 1080p that means you want to run modern slop at max settings so a 4090

>>101994365
>7900 XTX easily BTFO by a fucking 3070

Yikes… no wonder AMD continue to lose market share

>RT Overdrive
ok

>>101992884
>if haswell cpus are still capable nowadays
if you really stretch the definition of capable

>>101994365
who plays this game anyway?

Remember when they said 5800X3D was the swan song for AM4 and the last CPU it was going to get

>>101994470
I mean tell me something Haswell can't do besides gayming

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>AMD sponsored FUD continues

I'm yet to see any valid reason why AMD 9000 CPUs aren't hand down the best CPUs on the planet right now

>>101994522
why would you buy x3d for anything except gaymen

>>101994522
Don't let these people tell you Haswell is anything other than amazing. I just went to a 7800x3d from a 4790K and could not be more unimpressed. Sure it's much """""faster"""""" but it feels like the same faster as pushing your timings really hard.

>>101994696
well 4core intel to 8core amd is always a sidegrade

>>101994662
when you live underground in a 45C shithole and need to cut power draw wherever its possible

>>101994485
its the most modded game on nexus mods thats not a bethesda game.

>>101994752
does it fix how boring it is or is it attempting to do so?

>>101994563
the game (not the benchmark) starts with a heavy shader compilation screen. intel cpus crash on that.

>>101994662
Fast single core performance?
I develop browser automation scripts that heavily rely on it

>>101994696
Yup, had the same feeling when I went from a R7-5700G to a Xeon E3-1245v3.

>>101994365
The problem with nvidia is that it looks kind of ugly compared to amd, unless you use rt, which is the comparison FEW make - you have to compare nvidia rt to amd no rt, and play with settings to max the looks, and also match perf.

>>101994268
you need to embrace the low spec to use a 3060.
priority #1 is use a gsync monitor (it's possible your monitor is not gsync certified and you need to use displayport cable AND manually enable it)
#2 is set the settings to the absolute lowest.
#3 is use a frame limiter, keep on lowering the FPS until the game stops stuttering. Lower smooth fps is better higher fps stutter (high end GPU's have the same problem, unless your game runs at the max fps of the monitor which acts like a frame limiter, or you just don't notice the stutter, it also helps make your GPU and CPU quieter if it's low enough).
last chance: enable DLSS/FSR performance mode or just set the resolution to 720p.

>>101994795
non 3D chips have better ST silly

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>>101994563
I read a couple of reviews and saw 2 who unironically recommended against buying the game and recommending waiting for a game patch because it crashed on their intel 13600k and 14900k

>>101994785
Depends on what the hell are you asking about exactly. There are full out scripting frameworks and mod tools like Fallout. You can make your own Cyberpunk New Vegas if you & a team wanted to.

>>101994836
so did I and those reviews still gave it a 10/10

>>101994842
or i could just mod New Vegas to make it even better?

>>101994866
New Vegas is DX9 abandonware.

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>>101994410
I agree, rt has the buzz. the press, which is basically stupid, gushes on rt.

THIS IS A GOOD THING.

Get your amd gpu at a cut price soon.

>but rt is realistic
Real raytracing is, but gpu realtime rt ain't real raytracing, and it's obvious if you compare an rt scene in whatever rt engine you prefer to a humble POV-ray render even made 20 years ago.

>>101993672
how do people with 4+ old OLEDs don't have it?

>>101994878
With proton version archives, nothing is abandonware.

Would you rather 1440p 480Hz or 4K 240Hz for OLED endgame?

>>101994886
https://youtu.be/XWeYmim3IFk
https://youtu.be/J1k0lUq1pVY
majority of games look worse with RT than without it though.
I know of four games that look better DL2, 2077, TW3 and Metro Exodus. Everything else makes it look worse.

>>101994951
4k 240hz, I'm not insane e sports faggot

>>101994826
how do you manually enable gsync

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>>101994835
no they don't

>captcha

>>101994989
nvidia control panel

>>101994951
>endgame
only 16k vr 1000hz with full motion tracking smellovision and touch simulation will do thank you very much

>>101994996
my monitor is freesync compatible, if i don't enable gsync manually in nvidia control panel, does the gpu just not use it?

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>>101994999
Based coomer trips, chkd

>>101994878
>he can't run dx9 games
wrong board

Help a retarded poorfag out.
Built a system out of second hand parts and I'm seeing all kinds of weird shit.
>RAM only has one XMP profile (3000) and it doesn't work (stuck at 2133)
>Shows 16GB memory in BIOS and, in some sense, in Windows, but only 7.9GB is usable (rest is "hardware reserved" but I don't even have an iGPU)
>when an M.2 drive is installed mobo shows VGA error for about 3 minutes but display works and system boots after some time

Ruled out the GPU and RAM in another system, how can I narrow it down further? Also how the fuck do you remove M.2 drive stands?

>>101994966
You're comparing rtx without rt to rtx with rt.

Gotta compare rx without rt to rtx with rt.

>>101995078
trash ram, next question.

(ram dies, sorry if it was expensive new, it dies, next question)

>>101995079
what? are you, by chance, retarded?

>>101995093
You will notice nobody does xor between amd and nvidia, and there's a very good reason why (ignoring that sych is kind of hard).

>>101995033
if it's not enabled it won't use it.
gsync is useful if your monitor is 120fps, because the frame stutter is amplified due to waiting 6ms intervals, so enabling gsync removes a 0-6ms stutter when a frame takes too long to draw, I would argue it's harder to notice the benefits if you are at 160fps or higher, but it's still nice to have.

>>101994920
no its still abandonware just under a translation layer. like running prey 2006 under vulkan using glove.

>>101995069
dx9 is a terrible api when you can always be using dxvk. but it doesn't make a project any less abandoned. cyberpunk at least still gets patches (fsr3 soon)

>>101995111
you are clearly retarded, DXR is only one library
it runs the same on compatible hardware.

>>101994878
The New Vegas reloaded team has reached a pretty impressive point for the tech, it’s fun to see how they incorporate (semi) modern rendering techniques in the engine that actually look quite solid.

>>101993660
4060 is best low profile card

>7600X3D
>"Exciting" RDNA4 news

Damn, maybe waiting was the good idea.

>>101995289
When?

>>101995313
We are supposed to get news very soon.

>>101995289
Waiting for exciting Radeon news is the local sport. Never knows what is going to happen, but always prepared for disappointment.
Nvidia and Intel are always boring with their corpo news.

>>101995313
Friday, August 23, 2024. Hall 8, starting at 12pm.

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>>101995148
hardware transform and lighting are proprietary.

Here we see rt off.

>>101995131
you brag about mods and then use the word "abandonware", are you retarded?
patches break mods.

Should I get a 4080 Super?

It feels kinda dumb when we're half a year away from RTX 5000. But, I only play weeb shit and the only game that taxes my 3070 rn is the FFXVI demo.

I imagine a 4080 Super will last me probably 5+ years(if the port issues don't kill it). But the RTX 5000 might improve on the ports?

>>101994511
slower cpus dont negate that statement

>>101995354
I seriously don't see your point, give me proper comparison then. I gave you recent DXR on/off exmaple that look like shit with DXR on.

do X3D chips suffer from stutter on multi CCD CPUs? If so, is it any better or worse compared to non-X3D chips?

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>>101995428
Check these out. rt baby.

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>>101995527
Yes but not enough to stress over, especially given their performance, 7800X3D literally being the best gaming CPU in the world and such. I think you might be able to disable one of them if it really bothers you. Use ParkControl and Process Lasso.

>>101995375
when a new cyberpunk patch comes out, all the mod extensions required are fixed within 24 hours.

bethesda shitty patches breaking their games doesn't apply to everyone.

>>101995386

4070TiS is better value.

>>101991695
>>101995289
Does this mean the market will get flooded with 5600x3d and 5700x3d chips from people upgrading to AM5?

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If I buy an Intel™ CPU with Estrogen™ cores, will it run natively on Linux? Windows 11 is required for these new oxidizers.

>>101994992
3D cpus have lower clocks

>>101995833
u need to pump 100% pure oxygen over the IHS to ensure sufficient oxidation levels

>>101995602
I still don't see your point, all Jedi Survivor does is DXR AO and Reflections. There is no GI or shadows.
Also it's different frames at different timings, and I played that game with RT on, lighting depends on the angle you look at things.

>>101995866
lol

>>101995692
I game at 4K native and don't use DLSS, is that still a good idea?

>>101992449
>budget
400 dollars, I managed to find a cheaper tray mpk cpu after posting that I instantly grabbed it so my budget is $50 more now.
t. asian gaymer, every dollar counts

>>101995844
lower clocks don't mean lower st perf

>>101995833
estrogen cores run natively on looniks no worries

>>101995386
Yes. 4080 Super is great. Don’t regret mine at all and it runs everything. It’s basically 4090 performance if you’re willing to knock the DLSS setting down a peg but otherwise it’ll handle any non path traced game even at native 4K

What are my options for a sub 100 watt gaming pc?
Doesn't have to play the latest AAA crap.

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here are some from some guy

>Error: Maximum file size allowed is 4 MB
retarded. can't even post a 1440 screenshot, stupid isn't the start.

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>>101996155

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Anti RTX sisters… it’s over

Has anyone here tried the Kryosheet to be used instead of regular thermal paste? If so, how does it compare to the Honeywell's PTM 7950? Honeywell's pads supposedly beat thermal paste in every way, meaning they are a degree or couple cooler, with the added benefit of never drying*. Wondering if this is the same. Why I'm even looking at the "Kryosheet" is because I can go out and get them tomorrow, instead of ordering the PTM7950 from a shady site and not knowing what I'll get.

>>101996422
kek. pretty much

>>101996290
I'm not much of a gaymer, but I'm sure someone will post a game from 2015 or so with equal or better water.

>>101996524
The funniest part is once you enable rt it messes up other stuff.

>>101996181
see the hard shadows? Real shadows aren't hard.
https://youtu.be/n4PCJbuJlyY?t=466

It's fine to like videocard rt, but videocard rt is unrealistic.

>>101996290
>x666
nice try, stan.

>>101996002
neither does extra cache

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>>101996607
on the right, with rt on, we see the 4090 has stupid black rocks. rt on with both sides, it's not a universal rt problem.

>>101996732
Scene on the right is overall darker, where glob Illuminati?

>>101996732
...what? schizo amdfag moment?

>>101996732
Ray Reconstruction causing problems i suppose

>>101996732
the amd side is literally missing shadows. there are no black rocks. just what you made up to cope with buying a shit video card desu.
i encourage anyone not to believe this bait. go watch the video. amd card sucks ass (about 70-80fps slower with same settings) plus is missing shadows. there are no "stupid black rocks" on nvidia side.

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>>101996952
>nvidia literally just draws a black blob
>wow so performant

>>101996732
both cards improve with rt off.

>>101996952
>plus is missing shadows
which one?

>>101997157
ok schizoid. circle it for me since you have the eye of an eagle. there isnt a "black blob" anywhere

Finally my 7800x3d is here, tomorrow I will assemble everything

>>101997625
look on the right. the rock in the river that looks kind of like a pyramid, a black one. It's black. on the right it's not, so amd rt is much more sophisticated, which is why its slower.

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