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>>102069224
>it's another episode of op is so stupid he organizes graphics cards by vram instead of things that actually matter

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>>102069224
Any case similar to the good old Antec ISK 300/310 but with mini-DTX support ?
I will use a picoPSU so I don't need the extra room for PSU but I do need the two PCIE (low profile is fine), no riser bullshit.

>>102069283
No one cares, Nvidia shill.

>>102069283
How long until you run off defeated and claim you need your beauty sleep again?

>>102069283
So my $290 gpu gets 1/3 of the framerate of the $2000 flagship?
that's a major win in my book

>>102069283
your 8gb forced meme was never funny

For external HDD, is it better to have 4TB or 5TB? no I don't want any bigger.

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>>102069310
Radeon friends don't want to talk about image quality or performance
Or how poorly their cards age because they lack high quality upsampling
I'm just here doing public service, warning anons

>>102069433
There's no difference between them except for price.

>>102069439
>image quality
>DLSS

>>102069337
Typical amd

>>102069453
ok I'll get 5TB. only $12 price difference. need to store anime

>>102069472
Yeah, DLSS++ and DLSS+ are the most common image quality determinations over native for Unreal games, which constitute the largest segment of demanding games. Can you even read?

>>102069508
DLSS looks like shit and has nothing to do with image quality. It's an upscaler.

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>>102069224
>just finished building my second computer. Its not the prettiest but it works.
>Accidentally installed the AIO pump backwards.

Is it okay to run it like this or should I take it apart and redo it? I kind of fuck with how it looks and it gives me good clearance to work around the pump tubes. The temps are pretty normal so far. Pic related, the backwards AIO pump.

Also, how can I get my corsair ddr5 kit to run XMP 3.0 without shitting itself? Is this a voltage issue?

>>102069508
Yeah no one uses that dogshit. Unless your the same type of retard that would buy a 4090 your just gonna turn that shit off cause fsr dlss etc. looks like shit.

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>>102069513
>>102069604
You seem confused
DLSS Quality reconstruction at 1440p and 4K has better than or equivalent image quality to native, while being much faster than native, in 2/3s of the tested games in this table >>102064757

On top of that, new games are built around reconstruction. You'll have no choice, unless of course you're sticking to old games, in which case you don't need a new graphics card anyway

>There is no option for "no upscaling,"
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/senuas-saga-hellblade-2-benchmark/3.html
Black Myth Wukong is another example, and most UE5 titles will continue this trend.

>>102069634
>DLSS Quality reconstruction at 1440p and 4K has better than or equivalent image quality to native
Nope!
>On top of that, new games are built around reconstruction
They are not, a few games like RDR2 having graphical bugs doesn't count. You can turn temporal whatever the fuck off in the game's config files and the graphics look much better.

>>102069656
>Nope!

Indeed. It still needs sharpening. But it's not too bad.

>>102069283
I'm scared of going AMD for my next build now, if it makes me mentally ill I dont mind paying $200 more for a Nvidia equivalent.

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>>102069598
forgot specs

>>102069713
so true fellow Nvidiasister

>>102069598
its fine
>how to xmp
you turn it on in the bios, also have you updated your bios?

>>102069730
i was about to ask why are you using speecy but
>11home
>13600
i would love to tell (you) to read the op but maybe it was vandalized some time ago
good luck i guess

>>102069751
>how to turn on XMP
I know where the setting is,
I flashed it via USB when I was trying to get it to boot, seemed to be the latest version. Even after updating all drivers, windows, etc, it won't boot unless XMP is set to "auto".

I suspect maybe the motherboard might be fucked because I tried to fit the wrong kind of dimm into the slot (a ddr4 dimm, whoopsies).

Is there a way to tell if its fucked? Getting pretty solid performance without xmp.

>>102069795
I know speccy hasn't been updated in 6 months but it was right there when I needed it.
I know why /g/ hates windows 11 but what's wrong with a 13600k? I'm a poorfag and a casual. It's overkill for most games at 1080p.

>>102069730
>i5 13600K
Oh no no no

>>102069822
It was found out that Intel's 13th and 14th gen were killing themselves and it affects a substantial portion of people who have been getting crashes and stuff because of instability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHcrbT5D_Y

>>102069822
All Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs are either degrading rapidly soon after purchase or are at risk of degrading. The 13600 is one of the at risk ones, it just doesn't use as much electricity as the higher models so the fact that they haven't been shown to break it mass quantities so far might mean they're okay or might mean they're a time bomb that will blow up later than the others. The 13600 uses less electricity than the models that are all breaking, we can't tell if that makes the 13600 good or if it just makes the chip break slowly. There appear to be multiple causes for the issue, updating BIOS is basically mandatory to mitigate the problem, check if a recent BIOS update helps with that.

>>102069822
>/g/ hates windows 11
its not about that but picking >home without reading a little more into it
>>>/g/fwt
about the cpu, ctrl+f the word "warning" on the op and read what comes after it

>>102069868
I bought it used for cheap, tested to OEM specs I'm a fly by the seat of my pants kind of guy.
>>102069868
didn't this get patched very recently?
Everything besides XMP works perfectly.

Anons discussed this in one of the other threads, but I missed it.
Why is Framegen so shit compared to DLSS? Is it inherently easier for AI to just upscale shit than to extrapolate frames? Quality DLSS literally never made me question if it's native or not. FG on the other hand feels perma-motion blur with input lag and for some reason the image looks worse.

>>102069900
>didn't this get patched very recently?
The real answer to that is "maybe".
>>102069905
>I'll repost them here for the new thread to see
Go away.

>>102069901
framegen tries to predict how the entirely missing (nonexistent) frame should look like while DLSS tries to make an existing frame look better
its a different order of magnitude in difficulty between both tasks

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>>102069656
You can't argue with the facts
I'll repost them here for the new thread to see
2/3 of games in this table look better than or equivalent to 'native' when using DLSS Quality, and DLSS makes them run better too.
Watch the AMDumboxed video for yourself, and I think your eyes will be opened

>>102069916
Does this have any implications for why XMP won't let me boot into windows (11 home fag edition)

>>102069933
Are you doing something weird like mixing RAM kits or trying to run four dual rank sticks at the same time?

>>102069917
does DLSS really work by frames? I always thought it's lower in the process.

>>102069901
If you actually look at the frames in framegen one by one, half of the frames (we'll call these A frames) look incorrect because they're intentionally smudged a bit to make the other half of the frames (B frames) look good. Here's the thing. The A frames are the real frames, the B frames are the fake ones. The only real frames you get are smudged so that they blend better with the fake ones. You can't consciously feel that, but your brain does react to that.

is the debloated version of windows 11 worth switching to?
Besides saving on disk space do you notice an increased performance?

Need to update from a 1060 3gb. What's a good, inexpensive, card for 1080p use?

>>102069994
Used 3060 12GB

>>102069983
^this. A good example is like someone trying to deinterlace a video. Interpolation can be a bitch and actually make things look worse.

>>102069984
of you care about performance why are you using windows?

>>102069994
What's your budget? A good 2 fan 8gb pci 16x card can be found for less than $200. If you are on amazon, try to look for used or open boxes.

>>102069952
DLSS works by natively rendering a frame once in a while, and then rendering low res frames which it then upscales. When it can't tell what it should do, it looks at that one native rendered frame it made as a reference.

>>102069994
Define expensive. The Geforce 3060 12GB or the Radeon 6700XT or 6750XT are good choices. Do not buy other models of the 3060 or the 6700 without XT or some shit.

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Long story short, I'll sell my 10+ year old PC I had laying around to some shmuck and build a completely new one instead of upgrading some components since I doubt putting modern components on a +10yo motherbaord is gonna work well.
The problem is the video card is failing so I gotta replace that. But what the fuck would I even buy on a something that old. Need something good or decent to record it playing fornite or whatever at a good framerate to hook in a buyer. But I dunno how these things work, it has PCIE 2.0 slots so would it be better to buy an old ass PCI 2.0 card for as good of a deal I can get, or a 3.0 card and just ignore whatever performance loss there might be?

>>102070024
>>102070027
I'd like to keep it under $200, or even $150 preferably. Been thinking about a 6600 or 2060.

>>102070034
Nobody wants to buy your 10 year old computer.

>>102070051
Radeon 6600XT or Arc A750. Avoid Nvidia at your price range.

>>102070053
Nah I'm sure there are plenty of fools on facebook marketplace. I've sold useless crap on there before. They just look at the price and see it's lower than other listings of similar stuff and think it's a good deal. Or at least around my area they're dumb like that

>>102070051
I'm currently running a XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 6600 which is going for $199 on amazon right now.

It runs Helldivers 2 at nearly max settings. Very reliable and easy to use card.

You may be able to find it for less if you shop around or buy used (not much of a downside to doing so)

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>>102069994
>good
Depends on what you're doing with it. A use 2060 6GB or 2060 Super is pretty high value and will let you play most games except the most demanding

>>102069952
>I always thought it's lower in the process
It is. It replaces TAA in the rendering pipeline.

>>102070027
>DLSS works by natively rendering a frame once in a while, and then rendering low res frames which it then upscales
Wrong

>>102070077
>Avoid Nvidia at your price range
Except that upsampling is even more important in the low end

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>>102070098
forgot pic
Bestbuy tier card does fine for most games at 1080p.

>>102070099
>Except that upsampling is even more important in the low end
whoops your card doesn't support our super sicrit hyper boom boom tech anymore, get a new card goy!

>>102070099
>Wrong
Nope, what I posted was correct.

>>102070077
>>102070098
6600 and a580 have been my top two choices. Could've snagged a 2060SC for $85 on eBay earlier, but missed the auction ending and I'm kicking myself in the ass.

>>102070034
cut your losses

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>>102070126
>get a new card goy!
RTX 20 really aged better then RX 5000, didn't it? Especially because RX 5000 isn't even DX12 Ultimate capable

Has anyone bought a KTC monitor?

>>102070259
Your picture shows the 5700XT performing less than 5% worse than the 3060 and 2070, both of which were much more expensive cards.

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>>102070259
>DX12
lol the nvidia shill is a windows cuck

>>102070034
a $30 gtx970 might be good

>>102070259
>DLSS - higher image quality
Lol

>>102070273
no.

>>102070273
They are OEMs for most brands, the only difference is software support. I wouldn't get it for high end monitor, but mid range should be good, didn't see horror stories aobut it.

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>>102070279
>both of which were much more expensive cards
No, the 5700 XT was released with the RTX 20 Super refresh. It was a similar price as the 2060 Super, which was similar performance to the 2070. The 2070 Super was somewhat more expensive

>>102070368
That wasn't the price of those cards.

>>102070368
RDNA1 was shit it didn't have mesh shaders not to mention the hardware bug that caused black screens

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>>102070374
Yes, those were the prices.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/

>>102070378
>RDNA1 was shit it didn't have mesh shaders not to mention the hardware bug that caused black screens
Correct.

Its past your bedtime dude. Dont sacrifice your sleep for some corporate overlord.

>>102070398
lol no, those were not the prices for those cards. Most people paid very differently, at its worst during lockdown there was a $150 price differential between the 2060S and 5700XT.

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powers gone out for 4hrs could this little nigger power my 500w gaming rig? already powering the 500w htpc setup

>>102070398
I owned 5700xt pulse from 2019 to 2023, got it for $300 too. Not a single black screen, it's as always a skill issue. Served me true and well, big reason why I went 7900XT, no regrets.

>>102070441
Why would you spend the money to buy that thing if you can't even figure out how it works?

>>102069337
considering thats only 300w more than the 400w mine currently uses i say thats a win
nvidia massively sandbagged the 4090 power usage and memory
>>102070452
3kw pure sine so easy should work desu

>>102070441
sure, It can power whole house, the thing is 3.5kw.
but instead of going portable meme generator, get a chinese one for 1/4th of a price, it's bulkier but it works just as well.

>>102070482
i got it free with the house i bought their on special for 500usd 800aud rn

>>102070513
Still overpaid. It will work fine, do you guy have power outages often over there?

>>102070513
if you've got solar, get a battery setup, people used to get paid decent money for going solar but now its probably better to just run as an island and export minimally.

>>102070537
all states except QLD sold their power grids to chink firms

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>>102070407
>lockdown
Are you retarded? The RTX 2060 Super was released in July of 2019, the coronavirus pandemic started at the very end of 2019, and lockdowns didn't start until 2020. The real inflation didn't start until the release of RTX 30 and the ETH mining. RTX 20 was mostly available for MSRP, with the exception of the RTX 2080 Ti, which sold for around $1100

>>102070550
>if you've got solar, get a battery setup
1. vertical solar is cool, look it up
2. batteries suck, I would supplement the grid with solar and run generator at night if grid goes out

>>102070561
Nope, for most of the actual manufacture of the 2060, it cost over $600, and spent over a year around $700.

>>102070561
I remembeer 2019 well, 2060 super was considerably more expensive than 5700xt, that's why I got it, and 5700xt performed exactly at 2070S level
also you pic are so stupid, get a smarter material at least

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>>102070590
Absolute delusion
Or are you just maliciously lying? Hard to tell with AMDelusionals

>>102070615
>5700xt performed exactly at 2070S level
False >>102070368
Closer to a 2060 Super than a 2070 Super
Or maybe you let AMDumboxed shill you?

>>102070629
>Absolute delusion
Yes, you are, we know. We don't know why you keep talking. We don't care about MSRP plus your newegg compulsive buying habits. The real price people paid for those cards was different.

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Went to look at the G8 oled uhd at bestbuy. Was shocked have awful the picture looked? Was it just set wrong because I'd heard nothing but good things about it before.

>>102070721
probably set up wrong plus lighting conditions, but it's a meh monitor, somehow they made it worse than neo G7

>>102070721
>>102070768
wait, you mean the G80SD 32" OLED? Samsung naming scheme is terrible.
What exactly you didn't like? I'm thinking of getting it.
It's a little oversaturated on default and gamma is slightly off, but after adjusting settings it gives pretty great picture according to reviews.

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>>102070663
>We
Meds

>The real price people paid for those cards
I just showed you the real price, $300 for new 2060. But here's AMD Steve himself if you don't want to believe me

>typically the 5700 xt costs a little less
>availability [of both gpus] is currently excellent
https://youtu.be/45Q8TVmzHI8?si=XjP5xCFfsKZiHTr_&t=541

Really flies in the face of your claims
>for most of the actual manufacture of the 2060, it cost over $600, and spent over a year around $700. >>102070590
You're more off your meds than I've seen you in a while

>>102070801
You also need meds, that's true.

Nobody cares about the video you just posted, we all remember lockdown. Also why do you constantly post pictures and videos in all of your posts? Are you a bot? First you claim they are $400 cards, they weren't for virtually anybody, you get called out on that, then you claim they were $300 cards, actually by that point the 5700XT was cheaper, and then you try to handwave away the biggest price hike in graphics cards history as though we don't remember, at which point yes the Geforce 2060 was well over $600 and that was the biggest block of its sales.

You just seem to think spamming images and videos constantly while changing literally anything and everything you say is okay, so long as you can figure out a way to spin it pro-Nvidia.

I'm out

>>102070854
If you have a drug (including alcohol) problem, you can get help. Public and private entities offer help for mental disorders, often low cost or free of charge. I'm assuming you're male, so getting help will be somewhat more difficult than if you were female, but the resources are there.

>>102070801
Nvidia cards are wastes of money and there's a reason only the 60 series ones do somewhat well because 300-320$ is the max a gpu is worth and the max someone who isn't a retard is willing to pay. Anyway, the 2060 was more expensive nvidia shill. I bet you'll say the 4070 is cheaper than the 6800 or 7800 next.

What's the benefit of using windows 10 pro over home?

RX 7700 XT 12G or RX 6800 16G at the same price?

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I bought 6400 mhz RAM but the computer says it's 2400. Is there any reason for this or did someone fuck me over with return fraud

>>102071167
you need to enable xmp/expo
if you're on amd you need to set if to 2133 and see if it's stable. If it isn't go 6000/2000

>>102071167
6400mt/s is really 3200mhz
Since you're running at 2400mhz, your ram is running in its default 4800mt/s profile
Enable expo to get your 6400mt/s (3200mhz) speed

>>102071161
6800, its slightly faster and has more vram.

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>>102069224
We got too cocky intel bros

>>102071157
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions#Comparison_chart
Mainly features nobody would use on a home PC which makes sense.
If you're looking to avoid telemetry/botnet shit then I believe Education is the way to go. Ask >>>/g/fwt if you'd like more specifics.

>>102071217
They can replace them all for 78000X3D would cost only $100k.

>>102070537
first one ive had in 5 months but it was really windy

>>102071209
the AI accelerators not worth the VRAM? not even sure what they're supposed to do atm

>>102070550
wont be getting dcs batteries lol

>>102071266
kek zen 5 so bad everyone just collectively forgot it came out same with those 800 series boards with no good cpus to put in them LOL

>>102071309
everyone kept saying same thing when zen4 came out, but here we are

>>102071322
zen 4 at least has x3d
zen 5 has fuck all and 3xd wont save it

>>102071309
the only thing in Zen5 worth it is the 9950X if you need it for work to replace the 14900 DOA, that being said anyone who bought the 14900K to play games is a moron.

>>102071322
Zen4 was bad value until the prices dropped, I imagine once Zen4 sells through Zen5 will finally be viable.

>>102071338
>3xd wont save it
this is stupid.

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>>102069283
The issue here is that every GPU suffers, it isn’t just the 7900GRE getting out of VRAM or having other HW issues, but in case with VRAM overflow it’s pretty much exclusive to *this* 12GB GPU at 1440p and it will perform well below its expected performance.
That’s is why I agree with OP, people shouldn’t buy this GPU for modern 1440p gaming and you shouldn’t lure them into the same trap that you got with your 4070

>>102071299
something something china doing something that will be a pain in a couple of years

>>102071359
why would it save it? zen 4 is just as fast its not the first time amd cocked up like this like with bulldozer getting rekt by their own phenom

>>102071299
Buy Nvidia if you want to fuck around with AI.

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>>102071266
Using AMD would signal to your customers that you're poor and they're getting a 2nd rate experience. That would be the move to bankruptcy in a country that values face like China does

>>102071383
even if its worst case scenario and has a 5% uplift over the 7800X3D it will still be the fastest gaming cpu, however AMD made the bandwidth bottleneck worse, if anything there'll be a larger uplift than from Zen4 to Zen4X3D

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>>102071338
Zen5 will be good once the 24h2 update rolls out

>>102071412
jfc just when amd gets their shit togetther with zen 3/4 and rdna 2/3 they fuck it up with zen 5 and rnda 4 turds
>>102071421
x3d zen 4 still faster LOL

>>102071426
RDNA3 was the turd, we don't know if RDNA4 is a turd yet

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>>102071399
>intel is reliable in warranty and after-sales service

>>102071434
rdna 4 wont even get a big release its another polaris gcn tier radeon 7 wank
my 79xtx isnt a turd it runs great sips power ill wait til rdna 5 reguardless

>>102071421
oh, I thought people talked about some stupid bullshit like 7fps difference
uplift is pretty significant

>>102071426
Now look at the 1% lows
>>102071449
Yeah its actually a huge deal even for zen3/4 users

somehow it seems like prebuilt dell gaming outlet slop is hundreds of dollars less expensive than buying parts

>>102071383
Zen 5 is a terrible value at the moment, but it has one saving grace, and it's that it runs pretty cold, so even for the high end you can get away with a budget motherboard and cooler. I can imagine that in a few years that could make them a good value.

>>102071473
do not buy stupid parts and it's cheaper, you don't need a motherboard for $300 or even 6000CL36 RAM

>>102071474
when is the last AM5 CPU? 2026? I want that one.

>>102071489
2027

>>102071489
2027. doomposters will tell you its only going to be refreshes however.

>>102071504
>>102071502
Nice, going to get nice milage from 7700x.
It can't be refreshes, because industry will move to 2nm by that time.
Wonder what year we will see glass substrate implemented.

>>102071399
first rate experience in bsods

>>102071482
Yes you should actively avoid samsung ddr5

>>102071607
is it still that bad? i only had a run in with it in late 2021 and it was dogshit back then

>>102071474
>it runs pretty cold
They moved the temperature sensors so they report as being colder than Zen 4, AMD themselves said this.
A Zen 4 CPU pulling 100watts will be just as hot as a Zen 5 CPU pulling 100watts, they changed sensor placement precisely because users don't like seeing high numbers for temperature. If Zen 4 is running too hot and degrading then Zen 5 will be as well. If Zen 5 is okay then Zen 4 will be as well.

>>102071615
It's not "bad" like Micron is bad but there's just no point in shaving off $10 when you're building a DDR5 rig. Buy DDR4 if you want to valuemaxx.

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Never obsolete™

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>>102070721
Why did you post VA G8 as a pic?

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BRVTAL MOG
https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ultra-7-268v-lunar-lake-even-better-new-cpu-gpu-benchmarks/
AYYMSISSIES... OUR RESPONSE?

>>102072312
it took them 2 years to match zen4? intel doa

>>102069634
>DLSS Quality reconstruction at 1440p and 4K has better than or equivalent image quality to native
It doesn't, it's just convenient marketing, by making the games as blurry and vaseline smeared as possible they can sell you a sharpening filter that was never needed in the first place, just remove all the fucking blur filters eating up 90% of the performance and make games clean and readable again. Oh wait...then they can't sell you the newest shitty GPU that gives you 5% extra performance for 200% the price.

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>>102069283
Don't care using fsr 3.1 at quality mode 1440p looks fine, cry about it

>>102072338
look at the power consumption

>>102072484
>single core
one zen core also doesn't eat more than 10w

I have a retarded question, does having no ground connection in my electric outlet create any risk for my computer?

>>102072338
I mean it took AMD 2 years to match zen4 too

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Bros, I'm looking at cases. I need a 5.25" bay, 4x 3.5" bays, and space for a full ATX mobo and the Sapphire Plus RX 7700 XT. Apparently the only modern options for me, i.e. released within the last 5 years, are the Phanteks Enthoo Pro and the Fractal Design Define 7, but are those two really my only options? Could anyone who has owned either vouch for them?

If I had to I'm leaning towards the Fractal because I prefer the aesthetics but knowing I'd need to buy additional drive sleds is retarded. My budget is really up to 200 but I'd prefer not to overspend - otherwise I'd just get something from be quiet! and be done with it.

>>102072484
single core doesnt use much power chud
65w 9600x scores 3350 and 170w 9950x scores 3400 in that test

>>102072670
I've been using a Fractal Define 5 (almost identical to 7) for about 7 years now and it's great, I still have no reason to upgrade. I installed 2x 3.5" hotswap racks in my 5.25" bays and removed the middle drive cage to install a fan there and get better airflow, since I only need 3 fixed 3.5" drives. It's certainly not the best as far as airflow is concerned, but it's quality and has room for lots of storage.

>>102072789
Thanks anon - I know Fractal has a good rep. The reason I need an 5.25" bay is because I myself have an IcyDock rack. Airflow isn't a huge concern for me since I'm not doing any overclocking or running at 4k; as long as it's good enough that's fine.

>>102072670
Why do you even need a 5.25'' in this day and age? At least the spinning discs of rust enjoyers I can understand somewhat.

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>>102072940
I have one of these bad boys. [spoiler]Packaging was damaged so I only paid £10 lmao[/spoiler]

>>102072969
Do you really need to hotswap HDDs that often?

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Best AM4 mobo's?

>>102072987
NTA, but I hotswap several 8TB drives around to do backups. I've been burned by USB HDD docks before so now I only use SATA.

The new generation nvidya will receive a rebranding (not 5090, but it will be different somewhat), it seems like only "5060s" will remain with its old name, it seems like it will be "new 1660s" (my opinion), it will be like the last RTX, and it will be released much later, it will be very somewhat upgraded 4060s. After the release of the new top-end and pre-top-end generation, the old RTX vydya will be discontinued immediately.

New cards will be more expensive in each segment.

The main thing about the release and rebranding is AI technology, the new name will be like AIGP, or something like that (I dont know). Nvidia is already finalizing the API for its RTX/scaling textures and other shit, such as NPC AI (dont know anything in details), some kind of nyPhysx.

All this shit will be a "boxed solution", all-in-one product for gaydev. A very important solution will be the AI anti-cheat in cards, a hardware anti-cheat, without which you will not be allowed to play some games/modes (maybe, I dont know much).

No more information, and I don't really know anything else. No information about anti-cheat and how it will implemented (or will it be at all) be in your favorite dota 2

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>>102069224
Have a bitfenix prodigy case that has been sitting for about a decade. The rubbery/plastic stands/framing has gone all sticky during that time.

What's the best way to clean that stuff off? I want to transfer old parts to it as a second PC but it feels really gross and seems like a shame to throw this out.

Or what are some makeshift stands to use if I were to remove the framing lol

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You vill be eating dlss. You vill be happy.

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>>102069224
why aren't you fags buying sapphire rapids es chips you can get 56c/112threads for like 300 dollars

>>102073023
Data hoarders are weird man. I can count on one hand the total number of HDDs I've ever owned (5 exactly) before moving onto SSDs, and all of them are still functional to this day with the oldest being 15 years old; maybe I got lucky. All my super important stuff related to my family & personal info has cloud and physical backups; I don't need more than 1-2 TB for that.

>>102069224
God I wish my PSU had a light bulb goddamn

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>this needs a 4090 to run

>>102072987
No but I need somewhere to put my drives. Most contemporary gaymer-catered cases don't support 6 2.5" drives in addition to 4 3.5" ones since all the bays are now meant to be multi-purpose, so you end up with fewer in total.

Besides, in theory I could have 12TBs of SSDs in there in RAID 10 and never need to care about storage again. It's a useful item to have - and 5.25" bays in general are objectively better to have than not because they are handy. Even Fractal's newer stuff like the Pop cases still has it, just at the bottom. More options you don't need is ALWAYS superior to not having the option at all unless you're doing some super sleek ITX build - but then those aren't for utility, but style. That's cool, but not what I want.

>>102069283
Not everything is about muh nintendos, tubby.

>>102073082
I do not care for the opinions of streamcucks

I want to build a PC for streaming, what is the quietest case/setup within say £1000 budget for just the pc?

>>102073143
The case doesn't matter in that department, just buy Noctua fans and get a decent AIO like the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III. You only really care about the case for its support (drive bays, max GPU length, etc.) and cable management.

>>102073168
If a budget is ever mentioned then Noctua is a terrible choice

>>102072312
>laptop cpu matches amd's 300w heater
the 290ks is going to be insane

>>102073203
If that's the case then you either buy something like the Arctic's 5-pack (P12 or P14) or invest a little more into a case with good fans like the Lancool 216.

>>102073143
>£1000 budget
These words do not compute with both "streaming" and "quiet". You're gonna need an AIO and good fans like >>102073168 said, and probably an Intel CPU as well. And don't forget the GPU and PSU aren't allowed to be noisy either, so you can't just get the cheapest shit. Is that sum a hard cap?

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Is it stupid to worry about monitor burn-in from static screen elements like the taskbar?

Apparently LCDs can suffer from burn-in

>>102073267
I ""can"" also win the lottery any day I go buy a ticket. Doesn't mean it's probable I will, ever.

>>102073264
>probably an Intel CPU as well
yes, get the hottest and hardest to cool processor...

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>>102073267
This is the problem of amoled displays.

>>102073264
if £1000 is too low, what sort of budget is good for mid tier streaming? PC games etc

>>102073299
Intel is unmatched when it comes to streaming, that's a fact. If he's gonna get an AIO anyway it won't matter.

>>102069433
2x 2TB in RAID-1

>>102073061
no motherboard anon, no motherboard

When is 15th gen from intel coming?
Gonna be any good?

>>102073267
jsut sue dark theme for everything and do not burn your eyes out with brightness higher than 120cd/m2. problem solved.

>>102073445
October
E-cores are massively improved.
P-cores, not so much and you lose hyper threading
The most exciting thing IMO would be the improved memory controller for supporting faster ddr5

>>102073478
I need muh 200 candela

>>102073567
stop shining sun at your monitor. sRGB standard is 120

>>102073594
>srgb
I need muh rec 2020

>>102073723
you are not using it for static elements

Intel did the equivalent of extreme overclocking with its main business, and now what it's left with is a dead core.

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My 2TB magnetic spinny disk is currently falling apart after using it as a Plex host and editing video on it constantly.
Is it a good idea to go for a big SSD to replace it? Either way, any recommendations for cheap but good SSD/HDD?

>>102071322
Zen 4 wasn't the smash success Zen 3 was, but it still sold decently well, and that considering it needed DDR5 and expensive motherboards. Zen 5 isn't selling at all.

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Reminder that Thermalright has always been better than Noctua.

https://www.hwcooling.net/en/gigantic-retrotest-of-80-cpu-coolers-2005-2015/

>>102073391
theres plenty of motherboards from them cheapest is £500 but you cant oc

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zbyTDnVcROr43S5d7mfQnLZwZpQ1DEQ2UGjU5qlWcqY/

>>102073944
sure, but noctua is easier to install, so it's an upgrade for same price

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>>102073979

SB-E Extreme mount

Easy as piss

>>102073060
Thankfully, nobody will be playing that shit

>>102074012
>open-world Star Wars game
>Ubisoft
>"lol no one wants to play this"

Gaymers really do live in an alternate reality to the rest of the world that doesn't give 2 fucks about the hardcore.

>>102073899
could try those 16tb gas filled HDDs but I bet editing on an SSD is comfier, but it won't last as long
if you do it semi pro and do not need speed go for HDD for longevity, if you do it as a pro get an m2 gen5 4Tb NVMe

>>102074043
>open-world
adhd corn syrups don't have patience
>ubisoft
brand of satan, tl;dr DoA

>>102073060
that's kinda fast, makes me think Ubi did something right with DXR implementation, should do 60fps without DLSS bullshit
>>102074012
I will be, man I love star wars games, I'm meh about movies but I'm in love with the games since JKO even bad ones, it got the vibes you cna't find in other spess games

>>102073944
>noctua has been making knock off thermalright coolers all along
how did they get away with it?

>>102074005
not really, do you even have that cooler?

>>102074044
I think maybe I could just split the difference and buy one of both. Any recs for a smaller SSD for plex and recs for HDDs in general? I haven't bought a PC since 2018 and I no longer know which brands are good.

>>102074090
Just market it as "German engineering" all the fools will buy your overpriced slop.

>>102073944
The fans on the SB-E extreme are known for being loud as thermalright brute forced performance by having them spin at a million rpm.

>>102074113
HGST is Toshiba now, enterprise line should be okay for any brand, don't cheap out, personally I'd choose between Toshiba and WD
SSD Samsung or WD, Kingston, price/perf/quality don't go lower in price if you gonna TBW the hell out of it
Basically if you asked to play games I'd recommend to research controllers and get some chinese brand cheapo SSD, but you need a degree of reliablity so it costs.

>>102074176
Thanks anon, glad this board is still useful unlike the rest.

>>102069224
Work at a thrift store

Would you recommend using 2nd hand hdd and SSD? Or is it risky?

What's the best type of HDD anyways these days? At least for media storage? I always kept music on either an SSD or 1tb wd blue HDD. Then had movies and tv shows on a 3tb wd green hdd.

The 1tb wd blue is still going strong but the 3tb wd green stopped being recognised after maybe 6 or 7 years. Have they gotten better? Or should I try a diff solution for movies/shows

Has anyone tried one of those chinese mobile ryzen ITX motherboards off aliexpress?
It's way cheaper than an equivalent machine in my part of the world, and I already have a case and PSU I could use with it. Can't find anything on it other that one guy on youtube using it as a NAS. I just have been looking for a decent and small PC. Mini PCs seem like a crapshoot and are way more expensive than this in my area. And with this I could use my own cooler which is a bonus.
Anyone got any info?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007277375878.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.19.3bb5iYvviYvvlU&algo_pvid=a8964cf6-dfc4-40cd-a20c-60806ab667b3&algo_exp_id=a8964cf6-dfc4-40cd-a20c-60806ab667b3-9&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%21887.52%21426.01%21%21%21638.00%21306.24%21%402103094c17245920465364598e79e2%2112000040039667849%21sea%21CA%210%21ABX&curPageLogUid=0Yl5pISz7YbV&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

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>>102071434
It was fine and sales aren't even bad. The 85% Nvidia domination is due to laptops and prebuilds.

>>102069224
Are the budget tier GPUs better than a 10 year old gtx970?

>>102070441
I want third world posters to leave

>>102074422
yes even the $100 used 2060s is twice as fast

>>102074176
>HGST is Toshiba
How do people get things so confidently wrong?
HGST was acquired by WD quite a few years ago

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Day 507 of waiting for next-gen GPUs

>>102074364
An OC 4080 Super is $1,000? I thought they started at $1,200?

only here for sexy mATX cases

>>102074846
4080 Supers are $1000
That tuf oc is $80 over a base model 4080S

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Why do prebuilders rip off people so harshly?

>>102074915
Why shouldn't they.

>>102074915
Stupid tax.
PC niggers brag about how they built their own PC and make it sound like it's the hardest thing ever when it's just adult Lego. The only critical failure you can make is not mounting the motherboard standoffs or not applying thermal paste.
Then normal people think it's magical and accept paying hundreds for someone else to POORLY assemble it for them.

>>102074915
people who can't figure out lego blocks but have money to waste deserve it.

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>>102074159

>>102074330
Don't have one, but from what I can see they're okay but the firmware is dicey.
You wouldn't know for sure what Chink backdoors they're installing.

>>102074915
that particular build is a mini pc. you're getting a mid size tower + larger components many retards dont think about this but the labor of putting all these parts in a small case without it overheating is why it costs so much.

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Got $3,000 ready for Arrow Lake/Blackwell.

>>102074915
You didn't price in the itx tax

>>102075160
If you wanted ITX get a Mac mini. What drooling retard would pay MORE to get worse thermals, performance, and noise for a smaller PC? The entire benefit of PC is having a big fat box on the floor with a bunch of shit in it.

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>>102075126
I don't think you'll get anything better than 5080, by the way, Intel is probably still crap. Take 7800x3d and 5900 (if you have enough money).

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>>102074915
>2.4K for 4070S
rur

>>102074915
It's funny that there is almost no prebuild market in Russia, more precisely, it exists in the form of commercial/business solutions and obvious overprise things in stores for boomers.

>>102075287
>obvious overprise things in stores for boomers
So like any other prebuild?

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>>102075222
I hope so because that's the goal.
I could get more for $3,000 if I focus on CPU/GPU but I wanted the other parts to be good too.
Interested in the 9800X3D if Arrow Lake isn't the revolution Intel™ claims.

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>>102075360
>14th gen

Let's talk fans

There are so many different fans to choose from when it comes to case fans. Does it really matter, especially with cheaper fans?

I'm interested in testing the be quiet Shadow wings, arctic p12s, silverstone penatrator quiet. And arctic p12 Max's.

All of these fans are quite cheap and quiet. The p12 max is an outlier because it has significantly higher air flow, well the rest of the fans are just quiet low speed fans. And most importantly they are relatively cheap.

The Arctic fans are just under $10 each, the Silverstone fan is $7 but isn't PWM, and the bequiet fans are $20 each.

My first experiment will be with a Silverstone PS 15 with a 1080ti and cheap cpu cooler. Currently it has two 140 mm fans in the front and the basic fan in the back.

I want to see how these different combinations of fans would perform. This is a typical positive pressure based case so it would be reflective of most cases people use.

Good idea?


1. I have a PS 15 Silverstone case. It has a cheap CPU heatsink and a 1080 TI that runs very hot.
I will buy

>>102075322
not like that, we have pre built office machines for cheap in stores, they barely works bu do the thing
small stores in provincial towns buy components for you, making a list etc, and take small commission, it's not as overpriced as earlier example, like 5-10% tops
It's basically a delegated personal build.

>>102075360
>14700
>noctua
Why do you need this?

>>102075457
speedrunning blue screen

I want to get rid of a few second gen and forth gen i7 intel system that has been collecting dust for a while. Its too bad they are currently at their absolute price floor right now. Should I take my loss and sell them locally or wait a 5+ years for the price to slowly rise up again as more parts ends up in a landfill?

>>102073495
> lose hyper threading
good, hyperthreading is trash

what will perform better at 65W, a $400 AMD or a $400 Intel?

>>102075360
> $2.8k build
> 1tb os drive + 4 tb hdd
> cpu cooler costs 67% more than os drive
This isn't 2015, just get a 4TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe.

>>102075433
arctic, be quiet, noctua.
literally all the fans you need, cover literally every option except for esoteric needs like 80mm argb.

I need a low profile GPU simply for display but I refuse to buy used or a 1030, what should I get

>>102073766
such a shame cuz 12th gen was great. they went and fucked up a good thing

>>102075570
a CPU with iGPU

>>102075570
1650
don't forget the nomodeset flag

>>102075570
Quadro

>>102073933
>Zen 5 isn't selling at all.

>averages 7% better performance than previous gen
>while using 2/3 the power
in what retarded world is this a bad thing?

>>102075570
low profile 4060 or 3050

>>102074005
>those shitty undersized philips head screws
horrible

I'm in leafland can I touch on 1440p gaming with a 2.4k budget? Kinda want to see what the hype is all about

Dismantle and sell each piece for 15% over the lowest eBay listing. If people haggle then you still split even.

>>102074114
noctua isnt german

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>1440p
>IPS
>at least 240hz
>HDMI 2.1
>AMD freesync
>flat screen

Recommendations for monitors that meet these requirements? Some basic research seems to recommend the LG UltraGear 27GR93U, but that could just be reviewer/marketer shilling. Current monitor so some older 60hz 1440p Dell, which I will keep as a secondary monitor.

>>102075670 for >>102075519

>>102075637
pcpartpicker.com

>>102075598
7% better performance at the same power
24H2 might change things for the better or it may not >>102071421

>>102074330
learn how to post links

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>>102075322
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WZfHwg

Better.

>>102074915
you didnt even get the case right even tho gn clearly tells you what case it is

>>102075204
itx only has worse thermals, performance, and noise if youre too retarded to build it properly

>>102075433
what ever you do make sure no 2 fans are the same model

>>102075550
Intel will have the node and advanced packaging advantage.
But I'm not sure whether that's enough to beat AMD's 3d vcache which makes their CPUs crazy fast even at 65w

>>102075673
I have ug27gp850 and it's good.

In arrowlake we trust

>>102075884
the leaks are very promising
Interested to see how it stacks up in gaming

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will going from 3200mhz 16Gb to 4000mhz 32Gb ram make a noticeable difference?
Mostly in terms of gayming and 3d work.

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>>102075782
I don't understand what you mean.

The point is to buy two fans of each of these different ones and put them in the front of a Silverstone ps15 case.

Then I will block the top of the case where it has ventilation. The point of this is to simulate a typical case that has front intake fans and then expels air only in the rear.

And see if this makes any difference in the system both when it comes to temperatures and performance in testing such as cinebench.

Oh shit there's water coming on it's a leak fucked up oh shit

>>102075959
yes

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At 65W, do I just slap one of these on?

>>102075983
no they make a lot of noise
get a regular 120mm tower

>>102075995
>>102075983
100mm is enough

>>102075831
>Date First Available April 27, 2021
So that's basically the predecessor to the model I linked, which apparently came out in 2023. Thanks for the input.

>>102075971
In what way/by how much?

>>102075970
Sorry I'm in a terrible hotel room somebody is decided to stop playing music at 12:30 at night and my air conditioner is leaking very badly...

Anyway the fans I've picked for testing

The Arctic p12 is a very popular budget brand and the point is that it's the same fan except one of them is a low speed quiet fan and the other one spins faster despite being the same design. How much of a difference will that make?

The Silverstone and be quiet are both silent fans but the Silverstone is more about static pressure and tries to push the air further compared to the be quiet which is more about airflow and its main priorities to be as quiet as possible. But the be quiet is double the price of the Silverstone.

Yes obviously I could get some noctua with involved but we all know the noctua would win. And they are about $40 each.

>>102075983
I would not recommend that purely because they're very loud.

Even a cheap Tower Style will be better. If you are using a 65 TDP CPU then you don't really need to worry about it if a thermal throttling as long as you have almost any Tower so you can focus on finding something that is either aesthetic or quiet

Why do people dislike Gigabyte?

>>102076005
having extra ram for programs to use without having to go to the swap.
the higher speed will make things load a little quicker

>>102076183
don't know

Does anyone have an open air test case/bench/chassis? Do you recommend one?

>>102076183
gigabyte fucked their mom
not sure desu
most old timers seem ok with gigabyte so its probably a zoomer thing

Just upgraded to I7-7700
What am i in for?

>>102076004
I do not know how they differ, probably in nothing. GP is even a little better in the picture quality.

>>102076217
i3-10100

>>102076217
thats zen2 levels of performance
just disable all mitigations since 7th gen is one of the most affected by slowdowns

>>102076217
yeah boot with mitigations=off flag

>>102075457
First people said an i7 needs an AIO but now an NH-D15 is only useful for an i9. Which is it?

Just upgraded to i7-2600k
What am i in for?

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>>102075457
Same reason I need a nh-u14s for a 3800x, because I can.

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>>102075608
>3050

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7600X3D WEN?

>>102076510
>https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-7600x3d-6-core-zen4-cpu-with-3d-v-cache-reportedly-launches-in-early-september
Soon(TM)

>>102076510
>6 cores for gaymen
blud thinks it's 2019 :skull:

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>>102076589
based retard

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>>102076682
based on 5600x3d vs 5800x3d, a 7600x3d would have 174fps and would bury 14th gen

>>102069224
>1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D
can anyone recommend other 1440p monitors? preferably budget.

Arrow Lake on October 17. How will AMD niggers recover?

>>102076886
$275 7800x3d's I hope

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EUEast prices.
Opinions?

>>102070053
>>102070096
Wait 10 years and you'll be able to sell your old crap for probably a thousand dollaridos to some salivating söyboy than dreams about playing his retro games on retro hardware. The same thing now happens with VHSs.

>>102077046
>8G
Sussin. How much is 4070?

>>102075884
>intel
>trust

>>102075124
>the labor of putting all these parts in a small case without it overheating is why it costs so much.
They screw in the exact same way little nigga, for a $1000 tip I could also shove an AIO into a SFF case. You stupid brown FUCK.

>>102077248
> How much is 4070?
Cheapest variation (Palit Dual) is 2200 BYN ($688)

>>102075995
>>102076003
>>102076028
whats a good down draft cooler

>>102077347
Do you have some stupid horizontal case or what?

Got a HD 7990 PC from a friend. Overheats when playing Sonic Gens.
New thermal paste or just get a new GPU.

>>102077379
you can paste it but it should be replaced because the heat it generates is not worth the performance it provides

>>102076886
It's going to be minimally faster while being much more expensive than ZEN4 and eating 2x more power. It won't change anything.

>>102077363
why would i need a fuck huge case for a 65W CPU

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>>102076886

>>102077435
Why is AMD's marketshare so low then?

>>102077342
you really got to think hard between 3060 12 GB, 4070 8GB or something from AMD like 6700XT

>>102077435
Intel(ligent) buyers are waiting for arrowlake chud

>>102077408
What would you recommend I replace it with. The CPU is a Ryzen 3 3200G so I was thinking about a 7800xt + 7800x3d.

>>102077480
>>102077480
>>102077480

>>102077443
Because most people use PC for 5-6 years and back then Intel was the better choice. Also laptops.

>>102077476
drop a 5600 in your board
graphics 6600-6700xt, 7600xt if you're feeling luxurious

>>102077443
Intel was and still is decent with supply, especially in mobile.
The DIY market is still small compared to PCs at large

>>102076846
Gigabyte M27Q X 1440p(240hz) IPS display

>>102069224
Hey guys,
Are gaming laptops just a meme? I don't really want to get a tower PC because building one seems pretty hard. I could order a pre-built or pay someone to build it, but after doing some research, that doesn't seem like a great idea. It's more expensive, they tend to fail more, and the builder could mess up the specs.
There are gaming laptops, but everyone here seems to recommend tower PCs a lot more. Consoles might be an option, but I've never used a controller. Playing shooters with one must be tough.
So, for someone new to the gaming world, with a moderate budget (no 4090s/overkill), and limited experience with hardware... what do you guys recommend?

>>102077594
gaming laptops are complete garbage
find an old pc, take it apart and put it back together. This gives you experience and confidence to assemble your own computer.

>>102077594
If mobility is not of your concern why pay more for worse hardware? I had one gaming laptop, The performance wasn't that bad but I literally couldn't handle the heat. touching its body when my hands were on keyboard felt like touching an oven, don't waste your time

>>102077545
Thanks. I'll look into it.

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>>102071369
Haven't we been over this? All Radeon cards are worse than the 4070 Ti in Hogwarts at those settings. The 4070 Ti is quite playable if you turn off Frame Gen (which RX 7000 doesn't have in Hogwarts), unlike any Radeon card.

Recommending Radeon for muh VRAM is retarded when those cards are already worse than the Geforce cards.

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>>102072424
>It doesn't
It often does, as proven. Your post is a schizo rant.

>>102072432
FSR might be fine for you, but it's substantially worse than DLSS, which is often better than or equivalent to the native presentation. Objectively, if we hold image quality as the constant, Geforce cards are better value, and of course they have a lot of other advantages

>>102077867
>RT
retard

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>>102073114
Agreed, and in most other cases there's no reason to recommend Radeon. What's your point?

>>102077900
Anon is complaining about the 4070 Ti's performance with in Hogwarts with RT and Frame Gen, and saying that's why it shouldn't be recommended for 1440p. I'm fine with that if he's internally consistent: in other words, no Radeon card can be recommended for 1440p, as they're all worse than the 4070 Ti, and they don't have frame gen in Hogwarts either.

>>102077929
I didn't see that, anon's retard as well then

>>102077929
Nah you're retarded, AMD's cards are a lot cheaper and it's normal to turn ray tracing off when you have 12GB except for maybe reflections. That's still 1440p gaming.

>>102078023
You're not being internally consistent. If you're turning off RT, there's no problem with the 4070 Ti (or Super) in Hogwarts at 1440p, and thus the anon has no argument.

You can't have it both ways: either 12 GB cards are fine for 1440p based on adjusting settings in Hogwarts, or no Radeon cards are fine for 1440p if you're not allowed to. Take your pick

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>>102077867
> All Radeon cards are worse than the 4070 Ti in Hogwarts at those settings
You don’t have to pay RT tax with Radeon, it’s better than the 4070Ti, in the meantime your GPU can’t do what it was bought for, KEK

is it worth it for me to move to a 7900x3d from a 5900x?

>>102078064
>You're not being internally consistent.
You are the epitome of this, you just spam charts and cherry pick whatever to keep screaming about how good Jensen's cock is.

You are talking to multiple people, who are all right, and you are wrong, as usual. Do not buy a 4070 and expect ray tracing, it can't do it because of VRAM. You don't expect ray tracing on the 12GB Radeon card in the first place and the card costs as little as half as much.

>>102078087
No, buy a 7800X3D.

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>>102078082
You're not internally consistent, but retards who waste nearly $1000 on a Radeon card rarely are.

See >>102067230 >>102067474
You have to pay the native tax as a Radeon user, so in Hogwarts, even if we turn off RT and ignore Frame Gen to be nice to Radeon, you still can't match Geforce's performance or image quality, as performance scaling looks like >>102069439 when the Geforce cards flip the DLSS switch. Your nearly $1000 7900 XTX has worse performance and image quality than a 4070 in Hogwarts, and of course, no Frame Gen, and no option to use RT. Really pathetic.

But I've already beaten you in this debate multiple times, so no more (You)s. Amazing that you come back again and again for the same beating. You're a real masochist!