>>102077480
>Avoid purchases.
If the issue is fixed why should people do this?

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>>102077504
who said it was fixed?

>>102077480
>4070
>1440p
lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm7RQ864hxU&t=940s

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A moment of silence for my 2TB Crucial P2. $170 and lasted for 2 years. Fried itself after I transferred 300GB. Connected it via external enclosure to my Mac and it doesn't work at all. RIP nigga. Buy quality drives. :)

>avoid purchases
lmao it takes 5 minutes of bios tweaking that anyone buying a high end PC should know how to do already and there is no issue.

Seems like someone bought INTC thinking it was the bottom XD

>>102077504
how do you know? we need to wait 5 years to see if the cpus still degrade

why exactly is it so bad to use 1080p on a 1440p screen?

Hey guys,
Are gaming laptops just a meme? I don't really want to get a tower PC because building one seems pretty hard. I could order a pre-built or pay someone to build it, but after doing some research, that doesn't seem like a great idea. It's more expensive, they tend to fail more, and the builder could mess up the specs.
There are gaming laptops, but everyone here seems to recommend tower PCs a lot more. Consoles might be an option, but I've never used a controller. Playing shooters with one must be tough.
So, for someone new to the gaming world, with a moderate budget (no 4090s/overkill), and limited experience with hardware... what do you guys recommend?

>>102077600
non-integer scaling is blurry and ugly

Is HDR 400 or 600 even good on IPS screens? I see some conflicting stuff on the web, many shit on those that are <1000.

>>102077532
what a dead controller looks like. just recognizable enough by the bios but shits itself doing any actual read or write operation.

>>102077622
>Are gaming laptops just a meme?
yes.

>>102077622
Gaming laptops are expensive for the spec, run hot, and compromised as general use laptops (worse battery life, heavier. They are not recommended for a reason.

The only situation I would recommend a gaming laptop in is if you are frequently travelling and you have deep pockets. If that's true, they do the job well.

>>102077622
Every store will build the PC for free, every country has forums where you ask for somebody to make a config for a certain value, then people in the story can combine the parts for you. Not sure about the laptops.

>>102077622
the only reason to get a gaymen laptop is if you travel a lot

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>>102077504
I'm not sure that it is

>>102077551
The OP is written for the average person
If you think you know how run Rapor Lake without degradation (e.g., locking cores or voltages), and want to jump through those hoops, be my guest. The OP isn't your god. Right now there's no reason to recommend Raptor Lake, considering the alternatives available, their price, and their performance.

>>102077518
>55 fps
Not horrible. Slight settings optimization or DLSS Super Res and/or Frame Gen will get you where you want to be. As an aside, FFXVI has some major stuttering problems from what I've seen. Probably not worth playing

>>102077622
first decide what you actually want to do on your computer first then scale from there. you honestly just sound cluless i dont mean pc spec wise but you dont know what you're actually gonna do on your pc wise.

>>102077600
For starters, you're usually stretching 1080p out to at least 27", and secondly there is a non integer pixel ratio between 1080p and 1440p. If you want to sit back and run a 1080p movie rip at 1440p, you're probably not going to notice much difference. For gaming, you'd always be using DLSS to supplant the performance gap if need be, as DLSS will output the native 1440p signal instead of a 1080p signal and give you the performance you need

>>102077649
>Is HDR 400 or 600 even good
No. Monitors need FALD to even be considered HDR

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EUEast prices.
Opinions?

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>can't wait to play cinebench with my br-ACK

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>>102077480
>Web Browsing: i3 12100

>>102077866
why is this bad

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>>102077877
probably overkill? idk.

>>102077813
you can get away with a secondhand 3060 12GB
that ssd also might be too cheap

Thanks for the replies. Looks like no gaming laptops for me then. Mobility isn't something I need.
The idea of getting an old PC just to learn hardware and then build a good gaming PC seems like a bit too much. I just want to play games without the hassle.
As suggested, I'll probably watch some benchmarks on YouTube to figure out the specs I need. Maybe I'll copy something from there and order the build from a local shop.
Maybe I'll go for something from this generation after the 50 series GPUs?
Thanks for the clarification...

>>102077967
>after the 50 series GPU
Don't expect prices to drop much for the older gens

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>>102077866
high end CPU's are like 2x faster than the cheapest CPU you could possibly buy in gaming.
but needs to grade the CPU's so even if 12100 is perfectly fine with a 4070, or even a 4090 if you are running 4k + rtx, but there is nothing OP can do to explain that the CPU is less important than the GPU for gaming. But the 12100f is slow for a lot of tasks not related at gaming (but even for professional work the 12100f is fast considering the price).

>>102077967
Where I live there is a forum where people tell you how to config for 1k, 1.2k or 2k etc. Where to order parts etc, I'm sure there is something like that where you live as well. Just order them at some shop and let them connect the parts, give some tip to the worker there and you are set.

What's a half-decent Prebuilt that I can upgrade?
I've been stuck on a Win7 PC for more than a decade, and need to get something else before it dies on me.
I was in Walmart last night and an HP with Win11 and an Intel Core i3 processor had a decent price, but it was a Slim model, and I don't know how much I can actually pack in there.
I'm thinking a budget of $1000 at most seems right, I don't need some top of the line gaming rig.

>>102077967
just buy a used office PC from the used market (or there may be a nearby liquidation shop that sells maybe a Xeon PC for $200).
then buy a 3050 6gb and throw it into there.
no you won't be able to play console ports.
if you aren't interesting in piracy you will save money buying a used console and used games.

>>102077967
>The idea of getting an old PC just to learn hardware and then build a good gaming PC seems like a bit too much.
You can get one for free. All you have to do is turn 10-20 Philips screws left and right.

>>102078003
if you only want to browse the internet why would you get an F gpu that will force you to spend $200 on a dGPU

>>102078046
Literally anything from iBuyPower, Cyberpower, SkyTech, and BuildRedux

>>102078060
the cost per frame of a igpu is about the same of buying a 3050, a little bit better if you get a 4060.
IGPU gets like 20fps, 3050 tends to get 60fps, 4060 tends to get 120fps.

>>102078046
yeah get a boutique prebuilt not one from a "brand"

>>102078085
This is the retarded OP who advertises for Nvidia for free.
>just buy a 4060 for web browsing, it's fine

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>>102078003
>the worst, most poorly optimized game
Cmon, post something representative.
12100 is really bad option, it can do well in some game benchmarks, but in actual usage it's going to stutter.
Pretty much everyone should get a 12400 or 12600, since you'll be paying for a mobo (at least) too.

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I originally planned 64 ram on my pc but only was able to buy 2x16 then i recently when and bought the other 2x16 same buyer same model same page the order clearly states 2x16, so I installed them and realize I have 91 since they were the same model I remove all ram and put it back.

Turns out the fucker send me by mistake 2 of 32 GB for the same price I got the 2x16 the order says 2x16, so I have 2 sticks of 16 and 2 sticks of 32 I don't remember the order I put them on the slots is this going to be a problem consider is the same brand and model, or should I organize them in the slots?

>>102078104
nothing wrong with AMD, I just don't see any budget GPU's that are at a huge discount compared to Nvidia.
Maybe 20% more cost per frame but I don't think that's significant considering the fact nvidia is 80% of the marketshare of GPU's, there are lots of lock out features nvidia offers, like there was a minecraft mod that made the fps 10x faster drawing huge distances or something but it's only for nvidia (but maybe they fixed it).

>>102078047
>>102078050
Maybe I can combine these ideas and get one of those PCs that would otherwise go to e-waste, then just buy a used GPU.
Though, the office PC might have better specs...

>>102078135
put the 2x32 kit in and dump the 2x16 gb on the market
or keep them as spares

>>102078075
>>102078104
How do I get one that isn't stuffed full of faggy LEDs?

>>102078135
If it's the usual daisy chain A1/A2/B1/B2, put 16/32/16/32

>>102078183
You can't. Welcome to the modern market.

>>102078177
maybe you can get a i5/7-8000 prebuilt and drop in a GTX 1650 to get your feet wet

>>102078190
i dont remember the order i put them on the slots should i organize it or not ordering like this is a problem?

>>102078155
>blah blah blah
>just buy a 4060 for web browsing, it's fine
Fuck off.

>>102078183
You email the buyer you're buying from and ask for an RGB to either be removed or turned off.

>>102078230
Dude, consult your manual, actually go read it. Or go download it.

>>102078230
put the 32 GB sticks in -|-|
if you put the 16GB sticks in you lose performance

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>>102077877
OP here, the 12100 is pretty much the cheapest recent iGP containing CPU with strong single core performance. This is of course assuming you're building your own PC, maybe reusing old DDR4 RAM and other components you have laying around.

You can definitely go cheaper. For instance, you can get a used Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro with an i7 7700 for like $150, which as an SFF solution to the problem is a great deal.

>>102078003
>12100 is perfectly fine with a 4070, or even a 4090 if you are running 4k + rtx
You'll definitely limit a 4090 with a 12100 in a lot of games in many practical configurations. A 12100 is a budget CPU. MAYBE a 4070 is fine with 12100, but I would get a better as insurance on the performance of the more expensive component (the graphics card)

>>102078104
>anonymous is one person
The person you're replying to isn't OP, Radeontard

>>102078270
manual doesnt say anything about speeds just the order of channels i guess i will see how it works if i notice something i stay wiht the 32 ones

>>102078409
I don't understand your problem. Just put the two 16gb sticks in the spot the manual it says to put two sticks in.

Is the Lian Li Lancool 216 a better case than the Fractal Torrent? I like the aesthetics of the Torrent far more but I'd hate to give up significant cooling if the 216 is any better.

Looking for a 1440p monitor that has good contrast levels, a not garbage viewing angle (was going to get a Q27G3XMN before I saw how bad the angles are) and the ability to display text without gross fringing but apparently this is just an impossible ask. Only thing that has potential right now looks like that upcoming PG27AQDP or just going 4k and taking the performance hit. Any other options out there?

>>102078451
Unless you live in 35 C+ ambient temperatures your case cooling isnt that important brother

>>102078451
Both should be fine and are good cases. Go with what you want.

>>102078126
stutter is a side effect of running the game at the same settings with a 4090 and the 12100f being weaker (huge cpu bottleneck).
less healthy fps = more stutter.
the work around is to limit the FPS to remove the bottleneck from the CPU, or it's more likely you don't have a 4090 and the game is actually bottlenecked by the GPU (you still get stutter if the GPU is the bottleneck).
>>102078177
just make sure you look at youtube videos running the hardware of the games you want to play.
try to divide the cost of the CPU / GPU with the fps you would get from some benchmark (gamers nexus / techpowerup are good sources, but they lack older CPU's unlike random youtube benchmarks).
Also make sure to ask /pcbg/ if the used PC is a good idea or not for the price, lots of actual ewaste that should be $10 being sold for $200.

>>102078438
My question was i don't remember the order I put them and if there is an issue with having 2 sticks of 16 and 2 sticks of 32 and if there is a specific order for the slots for this

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>>102077518
Yeah, 4070 and 4070ti can’t handle 1440p because of 12GB VRAM

>>102078488
>>102078472
Thanks friends.

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I truly believe that there is no reason to have anything more powerful than a RTX 3060 or RX 6600. Games that require more are all in the same category as picrel: unfinished unfun unenjoyable dogshit.

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>>102078470
Why stop at 1440p? The better option is to get a 4K OLED. Negligible fringing, and gaming on a 4K monitor isn't more demanding than gaming on a 1440p monitor, and of course the 4K OLEDs are the best monitors available right now, considering balance of HDR, resolution, refresh rate, text clarity, etc. Yes, they're more expensive, but the monitor is probably the longest lasting component of your system, outside of case or maybe PSU

>>102078515
Already back for another beating?
See the reply chain that starts here >>102077867

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>oled
>long lasting
ruski shill is back and without meds

>>102078667
He's just a complete shill. He contributes nothing and nobody should listen to a single thing he says.

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>>102078626
> Already back for another beating?
Yeah, I’ll beat you 4 times, at 1440p as well, kek

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does next stalker 2 shadow of chornobyl have ray tracing? it's getting paired with 4070

>>102078626
That reply chain shows you losing an argument. You're trying to claim we should be using shit like DLSS and framegen to make up for performance problems.

>caring about soi tracing

>>102078382
op you should add the 8500g, it's not cheap enough to replace the 12100f, but the 6 cores and much better IGPU gives it a special position
but the 12100f being much cheaper makes it better for buying a dgpu.
also I think the 8500g yoinks some pcie lanes even when the igpu is disabled (your GPU never really needs the IO however, you would need to raid-0 4 max speed NVME's, you don't have the nvme slots to even notice a slot down in loading assets).

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>>102078842
forgot image

>>102078819
Probably not, but doesn't matter, maybe it will have it tacked on but raytracing doesn't add any significant graphical improvements anyway. Stalker 2 graphics don't look great so far.

>>102078819
it's on UE5 so technically it's using software RT (lumen), idk about hardware RT or PT

>>102078842
The 8600G has twice the graphical CUs and costs only $30 more. The CPU cores can also run faster, and it's possible you'll run into scheduling issues if the OS doesn't balance between the different types of Zen4 cores in the 8500G.

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>>102078726
AMD Steve really has a knack for making Radeon look good. His benchmarks don't agree with other outlets, like TPU >>102077867 or GameGPU. But even if we take AMDumboxed's biased numbers, the moment we flip on DLSS (better than native in Hogwarts >>102078203), even the midrange Geforce cards leave the 7900 XTX in the dust.

>>102078819
Since Stalker has historically been a PC franchise, I'd guess yes. At the very least it'll have software Lumen, which is basically lite RT. Hopefully it has a full Nanite foliage implementation, but considering it went through development hell, I doubt it will.

Refute this >>102078535
(hint: you won't because you can't)

>>102078842
>>102078961
G have cut down cache, retards

I'm getting ready to sell my old PC what do you think is a fair price for it? I had $750-$800 in mind.

R5 5600x
6800xt red devil
16gb corsair
Lian Li 216 RGB
1tb SSD SATA

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New build, upgrading from a i7 4790k + R9 390
Still waiting on a thermalright core matrix AIO but I got a peerless assassin in the mean time. I was really tempted to get the nh-d15 G2 but it’s over $200+ cad for a marginal better air cooler. I plan on doing unreal engine dev, k8s/homelab, and some Linux gaming

>>102079017
>AMD Steve really has a knack for making Radeon look good
He's just showing how the graphics card performs, because the Radeon cards perform fine.
>the moment we flip on DLSS
We won't.

>>102079085
That's fine at that price point.

>>102079122
You can buy that for brand new for cheaper. Try $450.

>>102077813
They are currently paying 10,000Rubbles if you join the Mechanized Tank division and do three months deployment. Could buy ill nasty rig once you come back

>>102079128
Holy shit I fucking knee-
>Linux gaming
kek, anyway what was the damage

>>102079128
should have got the thermal right contact frame. the grizzly frame is finnicky.

>>102079174
whats $110
Did you mean 100k? Still just $1100
Another anon said $100k.
Either way, this is some thing of bait to make you contact fake recruiters and get put in prison

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>>102079201

>>102077532
You're assuming it has anything to do with quality rather than just saying you got a bad drive.
Not defending micron here but there does seem to be a pattern of differing attitudes when shit dies depending on cost.

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>>102079211
>should have got the thermal right contact frame.
But he did. In the picture it's Thermalright frame, Grizzly bag on the right is paste.

Finally finished my build! Installing Windows iot right now. I can’t shake the feeling that maybe I didn’t do something right, how does one make sure? And do you run benchmarks or some sort of diagnostics for new builds just to ensure everything is good?

>>102079128
>>102079266
>amd contact frame
What autism is this?

>>102079279
Find a benchmark with the same specs as you and replicate the benchmark.

need a desk for a pc that's 53cm X 23cm X 51cm
any good suggestions?

>>102079266
Oh. I got a thermal right for my intel and it didn't come in a bag like so I assumed it was a grizzly.

>>102079367
find an office furniture store and get one from them.

>>102078961
I feel like anyone who buys a 8600g for $180 is going to regret knowing that if they spent $60 more they would get 2x more fps if you switched for a 12100f $80 and 3050 6gb $160 (also a shitty GPU, but it's still 2x faster than a 1650 which the 8600g is equal to).
But at that point why not just get a 4060 and get 2x more fps than a 3050, which might actually last long enough for a good game to release in the next 4 years and still be able to play it.
Or do what I did which is buy a used 1660 TI for $70 which is the same fps as a 3050.

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>>102079375
when I bought mine last year it came in a cardboard box like this

>>102079279
run a game like cyberpunk. it not only has a in-game benchmark but if you cant play it for at least 2 hours without crashing then your system is unstable somewhere. intel is known to crash from oodle decompression and the game has it.

>>102079420
A 4060 alone costs about twice as much as any of the CPUs we're talking about. Stop recommending it. It's not for the price point we're talking about.

Buying a cheap computer is about finding just the cheapest components that work at the price being offered. Buying a used GPU is a valid strategy, don't pretend anybody needs a 4060.

>>102079279
Post a screenshot of the parts you bought.

>>102079452
yeah that's how mine was

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>>102079017
Oh man, the 4070 has so bad 1% lows, it’s really tough for it to handle 1440p with 12GBs of VRAM
> better than native in Hogwarts
You already owned yourself >>102067692

>>102079532
I think it's normal to spend 2x more on the GPU than the CPU, the 12100f is just an anomaly when it comes to the performance you pay for, so the gpu is 3.5x more expensive (and you won't find a used gpu that's around the same performance of a 4060 for a good discount, the 1660 super / TI was a $250 GPU, it is crazy it dropped to $70).
like if you spent $400 on a CPU, like the 7800x3d, you will see 2x more fps than a 12100f, am I missing something?
Also I will admit the 8600g is only $20 more in the US, so yeah, it's a good value. It just feel like you are being sucked into the the price ladder however and it's just crazy far away from the 12100f when it's the same cpu performance.

>>102078515
>Yeah, 4070 and 4070ti can’t handle 1440p because of 12GB VRAM
Yep, the 4070ti was the biggest mistake I made last year. You almost always have to lower the texture quality if you want to prevent stuttering. Fortunately I'm buying a 4090 soon.

>>102079707
>I think it's normal to spend 2x more on the GPU than the CPU
It's not. That only applies to gaming computers. Stop recommending people buy the Geforce card that you want. An APU works great web browsing or just playing Civilization or whatever. The idea is to buy a GPU LATER for under $100 if you end up finding a game in four years that you can't play.

>>102079462
This is the real and the only important stress test, insane to me that people out there after building pc's run synthetics tests like 3dmark, karhu, geomen etc for 24hours then lose their shit when system starts crashing in opening act of Baldurs Gate 3

>>102079842
Not true

>>102079855
I would say most games after would benefit from a 4060 if you were running a 12100f.
I have not found a single game that is CPU limited with my 1660 TI, and a lot of games need to be limited below 120fps (like teardown, deus ex human revolution, chivalry 2).
I don't regret my 1660 TI, but I do think a 4060 would give you an experience that you paid for.

>>102079944
>I would say most games after would benefit from a 4060 if you were running a 12100f.
Nah you're wrong, they should buy a 4090. It's more powerful.

Most games would benefit from that.

>>102079953
cost per frame says it's a waste of money

>>102079943
Try playing FF:7R, TLoU:R (PC), Diablo 4, Cyberpunk 2077 without stuttering on those cards at 4k, I challenge you.

12GB is a fucking joke, and I doubt 16GB will be enough in the coming years.

>>102079967
Nope it'd benefit so that's what they should buy for their web browsing computer.

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other than price is there a reason not to go for 2x 48gb ddr5?

is there a good set that doesn't have rgb?

>>102079929
its also DRM free lol. you have to pay for 3Dmark and other tools.

>>102079982
why do you care so much about people who just browse the web? nobody in this thread would care, and if they did they are probably going to buy an optiplex, why would they ever build a PC?
They don't even need a 12100f, they should buy those mini pc's like n100 or a chrome book.

>>102080037
>why do you care so much about people who just browse the web?
Why are you constantly advertising the 4060 in a thread about GIVING advice to OTHER PEOPLE'S use cases? Clearly people building a web browsing computer should be buying the 4090. It's only a small bump in cost.

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>>102080060
Nah I think it doesn't matter what they buy.
they should buy an macbook m3 ultra honestly.

>>102077480
>2160p: RTX 4080 Super (at MSRP); budget: RTX 4070 Ti Super
>Amateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090
Stop vandalizing the OP

>>102080125
Those seem like perfectly reasonable choices.

>>102079842
Nvidia's mid-segment is a circus in this generation, first they released this card as 4080 12GB, then they canceled it, lowered the price by $100, released it as 4070Ti 12GB, and then they released 4070Ti Super 16GB as if to acknowledge the problem, only to launch another 4070S with 12GB.
> Fortunately I'm buying a 4090 soon.
Great GPU, I tried 4090 and 7900xtx, I had to take the xtx because on Linux 4090 had some problems with launching Steam and games, also DLSS did not work correctly in some games and when running with hardware acceleration Steam was giving me a white window.
So be careful if you’re using Linux as your daily driver or planning to game on it, but it’s also possible that they fixed everything by now

>>102079266
>>102079128
you got the grizzly paste right? have you or anyone else tried the pad? kinda wanting to go with the pad since the paste is alright

>>102080000
If you're trying to FPSmaxx with manual OC then running dual rank will cut your top end frequency (without the DR bonus like DDR4). Other than that not really. Go nuts, assuming you have the cash to splash. Seems to be plenty of non-RGB Hynix bins available.

>>102080037
There's lots of reasons people wouldn't want an Optiplex, N100, or Chromebook. And I'm a guy who owns an N200 laptop (because so many general users hate the N100-300 series so much, Dell was forced to lower the price from $650 in 2023 to $250 in 2024). I'm not an idiot and I realize most people don't want what I want in a budget laptop.

Being able to build your own computer for $400 or reduce that cost by scavenging random old PC parts/buying used individual parts is normal and is actually what this thread is for. That's what PC building is for. Buying a five-six year old Optiplex and throwing in a low profile GPU doesn't even work anymore, the card has to be single slot, low profile, not consume more than ~75 watts, and depending on what CPU you have, you might be over the Optiplex's PSU rating (which is proprietary and can't be replaced with a different unit). There's lots of use cases for people just wanting a modern $400 computer using an old case and PSU to lower the cost.

>>102080000
>Seems to be plenty of non-RGB Hynix bins available.
Actually I take that back. Just the basic Ripjaws and Corsair Vengeance but at least you have the option.

>>102080164
>when running with hardware acceleration Steam was giving me a white window
I had a problem like that when Steam introduced hardware acceleration, turned out it was because it was trying to render on my inactive iGPU, had to go to the .desktop file and tell it to use my primary GPU.

>>102079557

Upstairs LLM/Gaming PC
- CPU - AMD Ryzen 7800X3D - 381.57
- CPU Cooler - Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black - 119.95
- GPU - MSi GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING TRIO 24GB GDDR6X - 1469.99
- Motherboard - MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI AM5 - 169.99
- RAM - G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) - 214.99
- Power Supply - EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G7 - 149.99
- Fans - be quiet! Silent Wings 3 140mm High-Speed, BL069 - 23.90
- Fans - be quiet! Silent Wings 3 140mm High-Speed, BL069 - 23.90
- Fans - Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax.Black.swap - 26.95
- Fans - Noctua NF-A14 PWM chromax.Black.swap - 26.95
- Case - Fractal Design North Charcoal Black Tempered Glass - 149.00

PSU had wayyy too many extra cables and the GPU sag is something I’ve gotta look into. It included a bracket which did absolutely nothing. Already updated rhe BIOS, did a Windows Update, and just upgraded some driver using the Nvidia app. It bothers me that windows update isn’t enough to update these things. Makes you wonder what i’m forgetting.

>>102078535
i mean i agree but there's a BUT, if you're running some sort of an HTPC setup on a 4K screen, it might be smart to buy little bit better GPU so you can natively run 4K on acceptable settings/frame rates
some games won't scale well to lower res and on 4k the performance on 3060 scale card can be really rough even on older games
but that's about the only reason to buy something better

>>102080351
>PSU had wayyy too many extra cables
It's modular so who cares

>>102080351
Only things I think you should check is to make sure EXPO is enabled in BIOS, and do a benchmark (play a game for 15 minutes) while running HWI64 to make sure the CPU is running near it's advertised max clocks. If it can't sustain around 4.7 GHz then you might have applied the cooler loosely or without enough thermal paste. And yeah buy a GPU support, it's a lot cheaper to pay $25 up front for one of those than to replace a 4090.

I don't think you have to worry about anything else.

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>>102079266
>amd thermal right contact frame
>instead of the deepcool copper paste guard
https://youtu.be/nSp1zOfvJg4?t=115

>>102080245
no I'm just fucking around with llama and can't afford a 4090 (and new PSU for it) but i realized could upgrade my 64GB trident z5 to 96 gb and 50% more ram sounds kinda nice.

>>102080472
Unfortunately, Deepcool is banned in the US.

>>102080483
Well hey if you're running out of RAM then adding more is never a bad idea. As an aside, you might not need a new PSU - the 4090 doesn't lose much performance with a 300-350W power limit.

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I currently have a Ryzen 1700 and a 1060, would updating to a 5700x3d or a 4080 give me the biggest boost?
I'm debating waiting for the 5000 series GPU and getting the CPU update.

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>>102080105
If it weren't for the kikes at Apple and their obscene RAM/SSD pricing, we'd all be using Macs for everything besides Gaymean™.

>>102080758
why not upgrade both more modestly like 5600x + 4070 super

>>102080802
doesn't run windows natively and linux support is trash
nah

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>>102077480
I don't really see a suggestion on here for this, but what's the consensus on a backup drive/passport or whatever? I don't feel like cracking my PC open and installing another fucking SSD or HDD, and the WD multi-terabyte portable drives have come down in cost lately. I need a backup. Better to get an enclosure and buy a separate drive or what? Better brand?

Also
>Avoid outdated Samsung 970 Evo Plus
I got mine like three years ago and still seems fine. Outdated because of newer drives, or did someone fuck up?

>>102080878
It runs both just fine in a virtual machine but native will always be better

>>102080758
Both cases you're going to be horribly bottlenecked unless you plan to run 4k native max settings on the latest slop then get the 4080 and you're only going to be moderately CPU bound
Still a $1000 GPU that's going to get replaced in 2 months for around the same price doesnt seem great

>>102080886
Externals are fine for backups, yeah. Maybe even better since you can easily disconnect them.
The 970 is just outdated. Newfriends put it in their builds because "hurr Samsung = good" and whoever wrote the pasta got sick of seeing it.

>>102081032
Good points. Any suggestions on brands for those or any to avoid? WD gets advertised/reviewed well but I remember them not being the best back in the day.

>"hurr Samsung = good"
Honestly, it's one of the only Samsung products I've ever liked that I've had, I've had nothing but bad or lukewarm experiences with them otherwise, so I was skeptical but it seemed affordable and "standard" at the time. So not catastrophic at least, since I got mine years ago, just look elsewhere for an upgrade, got it.

>>102080483
the 4090 is meh for llm's but it's nice if you want your frontend to also create an image, the problem is the bandwidth is the bottleneck so the 4090 runs the same as a 3090, and to run better models you are better with 2 3090's than one 4090 (and one 4090 or 3090 runs so fast that even with all 24gb of vram filled, you will run at 30 tokens per second, faster than you can read, but if you had 2 gpu's and filled 48gb with a model, it would run at like 15tk/s).
I don't believe LLM users actually get the value out of their 4090's. If you are willing to suffer a little bit but save like 90% of the cost, you could try to figure out how to use vast.ai for renting.
The only problem is that I think cloud services offer a cheaper service maybe (if not people give free tokens I think), and I think 400b models are not good for ERP because nobody is training or decensoring it (you probably need like 200gb of vram which is like $10 an hour to load 400b, renting 24gb like like around 10 cents I think).
I use colab with 15gb of vram with silly tavern or oogabooga, it's pretty retarded but it works, and it's nice trying new models every time (they do kick you off sometimes, I think if you load something into the logs includes words mentioning sex or something, it will kick you off for terms of service).

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>shilling for free for njudea
what's his endgame

>>102081166
>Any suggestions on brands
Not really. External drives are best considered mystery meat unless you know the serial range. More importantly, it doesn't really matter for a backup drive because you're not going to be using it long enough for ±5% AFR to manifest. It's like a spare wheel - it needs to be there and it needs to work but it doesn't need to handle snow and ice. Indeed, if data retention is critical you should be running multiple independent backups with RAID and such.

>Samsung
Back when SSDs were new they genuinely were better. More warranty, better MTBF, more endurance, and so on. Nowadays they're commodities with vicious marginal competition. Samsung does offer vertical integration but that's hardly a concern for consumer applications. Especially as mainstream NVMe drives are now so fast as to commonly shift the bottleneck to another component.

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>>102080886
closed-off external drives have the same type of idiot tax that prebuilt pcs have, and imo they're not going to be as reliable either
get a USB SATA external enclosure (ex. picrel) and then buy internal HDDs from reliable brands like HGST based on cost/TB to put inside

>>102080758
Assuming your motherboard can take a 5700X3D, you'd probably be better off pairing it with a Geforce 3060 12GB model, Radeon 6700XT, or maybe a slightly higher priced card.

>>102080758
you will 2x your fps if you get a 4060, you don't need a new CPU (check the game you are playing, run msi afterburner or just check task manager and see if your CPU or GPU is the bottleneck).
Waiting for 50 series is purely speculation, maybe it's a free improvement, maybe the next 50 series includes a price increase for all the performance given.
The 3060 -> 4060 was a downgrade + upgrade, it lost 6gb of vram, but you got 20-30% more fps performance.
get a 4070 if you are getting 4k or VR.
also tell us the games you are running, the 1060 is a 60fps card on most AAA games, if you have bad stutter at 80fps, using a frame limiter (comes with msi afterburner) might make the game feel smooth at 60fps.

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Should I get a VERY budget 1440p monitor or the 1080p G244F E2 that gets recommended here? I'm also a code monkey so would prefer a bigger screen until I'm able to get multiple monitors

pcpartpicker is really fucking annoying. how do I report atrocious errors.

FYI, pcpp lists most of the GT 1030s as supporting DVI dual link, when in fact they are only single link

I'm thinking of getting a large HDD alongside my SSD for storage and playing older games, lets say 2010 and before. obviously the cpu and gpu overkill their requirements but I want to know how much them being on HDDs would slow them down

What is the actual deal with using a 1440p amd card with a 4k monitor? looking it up I see just about every response from running games at 1440p on a 4k monitor is totally fine or looks like trash and FSR is apparently great or totally worthless. Just tons of disagreement about the basic function so I am really confused.

Was thinking about getting a 4k monitor since the 4k version is cheaper than the 1440p on the the monitor I want since it is on sale but it seems like the 1440p version might be the better option if I do not intend to upgrade my gpu soon.

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>>102081416
pretty sure every board can take a 5700X3D

any recommendations on a GPU that is/has
low profile
single slot (or 1.5)
Dual-Link DVI

I dont care if its ancient, I literally just want to use my 2 monitors, one of which is 2560x1440 and can use DP or HDMI, and the other which is also 2560x1440 but *requires* dual-link DVI

>>102081698
I use 1800p on my LG C1 and its perfect on my 7800XT.

>>102081736
1030?

>>102077480
What was with that meme people used to do in the early 2010s where they would purchase 2 GPUs and have them linked together. Does stuff like that still work and viable because ei don't see builds doing it anymore

>>102081786
SLI
Not really, the game has to support it and modern games don't.

>>102081786
SLI needed support and cards have gotten too big

>>102081736
Geforce 1030 or Radeon RX 550. Neither should require a PSU power connection.

>>102081786
It was never viable. You'd buy two cards and only two of the games you actually play support it, and even then lots of those games would have graphical errors.

Nvidia's was called SLI, AMD's was called Crossfire. Weirdly, some motherboards still support Crossfire. Like brand new ones being released today.

>>102081786
on paper it sounds great, 2x fps!!!!! hory shiet!!!!!

in reality, you get single digit 1% lows.

>>102081786
>2 GPU
And four too

>>102080758
Definitely graphics card, but you'll be leaving a lot of performance on the table with a slow CPU. It would be best to upgrade both at once, and of course if you have some trash tier 1080p monitor, upgrade that as well.

>>102080816
Good option

>>102080947
>GPU that's going to get replaced in 2 months
Latest rumors are RTX 50 in January IIRC

>>102081619
Dell G2724D

>>102081675
Games should always be installed on SSD. HDD is for your games archive

>>102081698
These are the problems you face when you buy Radeon

>>102081770
>>102081828
GT 1030s mostly all physically have a dual-link connector, but electrically are single link

>>102081944
>Latest rumors are RTX 50 in January IIRC
50 is a skip gen

>>102081828
RX 550 is looking promising

>>102080758
Based. Just replacedy 1700x with a 3800x and going to replace my 1060 with either a 2060, 6600 or a580. I only play 1080p, so not concerned about latest and greatest.

>>102081698
Being as AMD gives you more VRAM per dollar on their cards, and increased resolution requires more VRAM, and there are lots of examples of games that struggle to display properly at 1080p on highest settings, this gives the impression that AMD is better for maintaining 1440p gaming than Nvidia. Intel also gives a good amount of VRAM per dollar.

The truth is that it's a little more complicated than that. It's true that there are some cards like the Geforce 3070 that are absolutely mismatched, it's actual processor would be much better off with 10 or 12GB of VRAM instead of 8, that would have been obviously better for consumers. There are some cards like the 4070 where it's not so much that the card doesn't have enough VRAM, it's more just that you had to pay out the ass for what is really a mid range card that has midrange specs.

FSR looks like shit. All upscalers look bad, but if you're on a Radeon card, use XeSS, it looks so much better.

>>102081954
Then I guess you're stuck with the 550.

>>102081979
Don't get an A580, there's no reason not to get an A750 instead. The 2060 isn't really a good deal compared a 6600XT.

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>>102082000
I'm leaning more towards the 6600 than 2060. I almost caught a 2060SC for $80 yesterday , but missed the end of the auction. I really want av1 encoding though which is why I'm considering an Arc card.
Chkd digits

>>102082080
>the year is 2024
>anons must still deface their Patrick Batman pics in order to avoid the spam filter

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postem

>>102082326
they al look the same

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>>102081992
>All upscalers look bad
Incorrect. FSR looks bad. DLSS often has image quality better than or equivalent to ""native"" on balance. >>102069918 Additionally, most new games will be designed with reconstruction in mind, so having a high quality, fast reconstruction method available will be massively beneficial

While XeSS is certainly an option for Radeon users, it's the least widely supported reconstruction technique, in other words it's in fewer games, and it's often slower than FSR on Radeon cards. And of course only Intel Arc cards get the XMX XeSS pathway, while Radeon cards are stuck with the lower quality dp4a pathway

get dronestriked by ukes, you homo

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>t-turn on RT and dlss!!
No.

>>102082123
You have any idea how old that gif is you newfag?

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>>102082080
>>102083007
>gif

whats the go to modern gpu stress test that isnt a huge download and not furmark?

>>102082671
Fuck off.

>>102083054
OCCT 3D Standard
Shader complexity 8, 60-80% usage to actually test stability instead of power limits

>>102083054
superposition

>>102078535
Wrong i was on an a770 and 1080ti for the better part of two years until proces dropped and i got a 79xtx for 800

Samsung 870 or WesternDigital Red SA500?

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>>102078451
>I'd hate to give up significant cooling
they are even for cooling

>>102083662
>they are even for cooling
>post picture that shows a "torture test" with 40C results
Do you know how to read a graph?

>>102083701
this is what you're looking for, a cpu temp test, you can take graphs for gpu if you'd prefer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_w0NbB84P0&t=1140s

>>102083770
Actually I apologize, I misread your post as "are they even for cooling".

>>102083781
np

If both are available for equal price, is an 8gb RTX 4060 actually worse than a 12gb GTX 3060?
Primary use is gaming PC for a family member. They don't play any bleeding edge stuff. They currently have a GTX 1060 though that just isn't cutting it any more.

>>102083825
3060 will probably last longer just because those are both really rasterization graphics cards and you can't rely on DLSS to save your VRAM from everything.

>>102083825
No. VRAM is a meme, especially so if they barely play very taxing games. Get the 4060.

>>102083853
>VRAM is a meme
lol

>>102083853
vram is basically the only thing that decides if your card will last more than 2 years

5070 will have 12gb vram and he will still slop it up

>>102083861
>>102083893
lol
k
nerds

>>102083938
12gb 5070? what do you need an 8gb 5070 for? I hope you enjoy your 3.5gb 5070!

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>>102083893
>decides if your card will last more than 2 years
Wrong, DLSS is the deciding factor

>>102083948
>whatever
Good post. Everyone is convinced.

What's the best bang for your buck in terms of VRAM nowadays? I play a lot of shit with retarded textures. Think ultramodded skyrim and other shit made by amateurs with way too many way too big textures.
And I will continue playing it no matter what, you cannot change my mind. My GTX1070 with 8GB is really starting to feel limiting, though. What's the best thing I can get, that'll ideally be at least 16GB?

Hard mode: is it possible for it to be nvidia, but also not cost a thousand bucks, AND have good linux support? (I'd cum if it worked well on nouveau, but I guess I'll settle for proprietary ones.) Extra hard mode: I'm in bongland

>>102083957
Your case.

Also your part list is all kinds of fucked.

>>102084156
how so? ignore the double ram

>>102084125
6800 and 6800XT are best bang for 16GB. I have no idea if the A770 16GB actually plays Skyrim without stuttering nowadays, but that's what the news on the internet says some driver update fixed like a year ago. However that Intel driver stuff is only related to Windows gaming and it is increasingly looking like buying an Intel Alchemist card for Linux is a bad deal, because Intel has cut off future driver updates on Linux.

>>102083972
DLSS saves very little VRAM and your picture has nothing to do with saving VRAM.

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>>102084125
4060 Ti 16 GB or 4070 Ti Super

>>102084201
>nothing to do
It has everything to do with the longevity of a card

>>102084195
If I ignore the RAM?
Why are you buying a 4 year old CPU?
Your motherboard already has a heatspreader for the NVMe. Why are you buying an NVMe with another heatspreader?
Why do you need 1000W PSU when your maximum wattage is like, 700W?

>>102084221
Ignore this guy, he's a regular Nvidia cocksucker in this thread who just dumps the same images over and over again.

>>102084201
Guess I'm going AMD then.
Another VRAM-heavy thing I play is second life (don't ask) and it's such an obtuse ancient piece of shit software that I'm iffy on the drivers, but it might be worth a try and then return it if it stutters or something. But if I don't get issues I might even consider a 7900XTX for 24GB.

Drivers also probably rule out Intel for me (as does the lack of linux driver support, fuck that).

>>102084235
cpu was placeholder from 13/14 gen paranoia, but probably settling on 13600K at the same price (ignore the PP prices). NVMe I already bought, it was on sale before I got the case, besides theres only one spreader so If I bought another ssd I'd still use it? The case I'm stuck with. Can still return the PSU but don't see the point as I'm too retarded to know how much I'll need ATX 3.0 in the future, but the side inputs on the shift was tempting, shame it doesn't fit. Anyway I appreciate the advice

>>102081531
I generally run Stellaris, The Finals, Total War Warhammer 3, and Factorio
Although I am considering getting a higher res screen.

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>>102081786
3dfx's scan line interleave actually worked.
the dream died with them.

>>102084442
Stellaris and Factorio are entirely CPU bound, the GPU only matters in that it can output in the resolution your monitor is.

As someone who bought a 7600X not too long ago, I can tell you that you will see quite the performance uplift in Stellaris.

>>102084455
I wish ATI had bought 3dfx instead of Nvidia.

>>102084529
ATi never had lots of money. They were always a hardware company trying to keep pace with the software others were putting out. They did make miracles with their hardware for the price, though.

>>102084541
I know, they're still doing the same thing inside AMD (I doubt anyone from ATi is still at RTG)

>>102084317
It's not that Intel doesn't support Linux, it's that Intel is going a hard cutoff of graphics cards beginning with Battlemage. Intel historically has given great emphasis to Linux drivers. The new Intel drivers are focused exclusively on Battlemage and future GPUs, with no updates to Alchemist or past iGPUs.

when the FUCK is the 5090 coming out and will it even be reliable to last a decade
I would have gotten a 4090 right now for rendering if it wasn't for the half-year long wait

>>102084684
It will have more vram and is expected to be quite a bit faster so it should last longer but 10 years is a long time
A card released 10 years ago would be the 980ti and it's too slow for most modern gsmes even at 1080p

>>102084329
If you don't use the motherboard's heat spreader your NVMe will run slightly hotter. The heatspreader on your motherboard is MUCH larger than the heatspreader stuck on that NVMe.
Also while I don't have that board I can see that the NVMe slot is right above the PCIe slot for the GPU. If your GPU is fat enough and the heatspreader is also fat enough you might not be able to plug in that GPU. You could use the bottom NVMe slots but then you're probably not getting the full read and write speed of the NVMe because it's further away from the CPU.

Blackwell sounds like a skip generation (except RTX 5090) because bus widths won't change, and GDDR7 is shipping at 2GB at first.

>>102084914
its not because 4000 was the skip generation unless you bought a 4090 and those people will just get a 5090

>>102079128
Spent my day building this only for my CPU not to post, just a red CPU light. Kinda tried everything, Bios flashback, reseat the CPU, RAM, try with and without GPU, reapply the thermal paste. What do? RMA My 9950x seems like all I can do. Googling around there was some redditor with the same x670e steel legend + 9950x that couldnt get it to post either. Unsure if its Mobo or CPU

>>102084914
AMD needs to set the ceiling of the midrange by pricing the 8800XT at $499 before Blackwell comes out, which means they'll release it after Blackwell is out and Nvidia prices the 5070 at $699 and they price it at $100 cheaper.

>>102085124
how long did you wait for it to post?
my guess is that its a bios flashback issue.

I was thinking of building a pc just for web browsing, then I remembered that raspberry pi exists
why shouldn't I just get a raspberry pi 5 with 8gb of ram and install linux on it?

do you think we will be able get 256GB of mem on Arrow Lake?

>>102085147
about 15 mins each time, oncr initially, and the two times after flashback. Manual reccomends 3 mins. Every time the mobo CPU light is hard red from power up and that is all that happens.

>>102085172
You can do it at 3600mt/s after memory makers release 64gb dimms

>>102085170
I mean, you could. If it's just web browsing then go ahead. A $50 phone could also do that with no set up or building the thing itself.

>>102085231
ack, I'm ok with that, thanks for the insight anon, looking forward to it

>>102084684
Its coming out next year in Q1

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>>102083938
>>102083967

>>102085192
If you have the latest BIOS then it's either the CPU or the motherboard.

Or you aren't plugging all the power cords in, or the RAM training is taking way too long (doubt), or the RAM has a problem (extreme doubt if the error diode is stuck on CPU).

You installed version 3.06, yes?

>>102081373
getting let go after nvidia achieves 100% marketshare and no longer needs their marketing dept

>>102086352
No hardware company needs it.

>>102086378
>t. armchair ceo

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Finalizing build. Anything I need to change/forgot?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QLzYn6

I'll be using picrel which is an old Cougar case a friend gave me.

Are you an AMDrome or an Nvidiot?

>>102086445
1. Do you live in the US?
2. If yes to #1, do you live within driving distance of a MicroCenter?
3. Is this build mostly for gaming, or do you plan to use it for other intensive applications (3D modeling, heavy video editing, etc)?

>>102084684
>and will it even be reliable to last a decade
who knows, you see what intel did, amd and nvidia did that before not to this degree of disaster though
Fun times ahead, closer we are to the limit trickier RnD have to get, and more tricks you employ the higher rates of error. Let's pray to AI so it can bug test for them better.

>>102086528
Inteljeet.

>>102086533
1. Unfortunately no.
3. Mostly for gaming.

>>102086445
that is way too much money for a system with a 4 year old cpu

>>102086528
But do amds drone? Diots tend to buy product on pure faith, drones know how the product works. Who to say if you are in a barrel or you roll it?

>>102086445
I'd add another $25-40 for a breezy chinese case. that cougar will suffocate even those components.

>>102086574
>1. Unfortunately no.
What country (or countries if you can easiky import from)? It's hard to give helpful recommendations or evaluate your build without knowing local market conditions and parts availability is like. PCPP lets you adjust your nation from the drop-down list in the upper right-hand corner for this reason, examples:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

>>102086626
that's a pointless tool outside couple countries, because it doesn't include all the stores you can scan for in your country
realistically all we can do is comment if the build will do what it aims to do and hope he finds best prices on the other end

>>102086577
Yeah, market here is fucked.
>>102086611
I could do this but couldn't I just remove the panel in the front and maybe have one side panel off or will that not work?
>>102086626
Sorry, I'm in SEA if that helps. Tried looking at aliexpress and the prices are similar to me because of the shipping+tax. Newegg is a lot more expensive because of tax. So I'm using the local equivalent.

>>102086669
>I could do this but couldn't I just remove the panel in the front and maybe have one side panel off or will that not work?
you want a tubular air motion, in and fast out, it will work as open case but it will also dust up and even gunk up if your climate is very humid
if you are ready to clean it every 6 months, go for it

Are there any wood panel cases that also have 5.25 external drive slots?

>>102086722
Thanks for the info anon. I'll keep that in mind.

>>102086739
Fractal North is the only one I know with wood accents, but it's modern so no useless bay slots.
I'd recommend NAS, but those stupid things are way way more expensive than they are worth.

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>>102086739
I got this fucker for my NAS. It was cheap as fuck because old. Best buy ever

>>102086445
The obvious improvement to this would be to buy a 5700X3D. Other than that without being able to look at prices in your country, I'm going to guess that the case is okay.

I have no idea what advice to give you on that monitor except to say that it is dim, it is way too high a hertz for what your PC can do. You might get more longevity out of a monitor that is brighter and focuses more on color clarity.

>>102086669
*Shrugs* Better than nothing,,,,,

>>102086697
I see. First, I'd look into a 5700X3D on AliExpress:
https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-5700x3d.html?g=n&SearchText=5700x3d&sortType=price_asc
May not be much more than a 5600 while they are still available, but the VCache would really be for a boon to gaming on a budget long-term.

Next keep in mind that DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory you picked out is equivalent in effective speed to 3200CL16. See here for proof:
https://notkyon.moe/ram-latency2.htm
So pick up whatever 2x16GB kit of either spec happens to be cheaper at the time.

Mobo is good.

GPU market sucks new, I'd see if I could get a used 6800 or 6800 XT locally for not much more if possible (might not be though!).

A PCIe 4.0 NVME is not going to be any faster in the real world than a SATA SSD, let along a PCIe 3.0 NVME drive. It used to be that you really wanted a drive with a DRAM cache to keep speeds from cratering after it got very full, but thanks to pseudo-caching with Host Memory Buffer (HBM) that borrows system memory to accomplish the same behavior it's not a big deal these days. Basically pick the capacity drive that fits your needs and then just buy the cheapest model in that storage class.

If the Dell G2724D, ASRock PG27QFT2A, or Titan Army P27GR happen to be available locally to you for less money grab one of them (or really any 27" 1440p IPS with 144Hz or higher).

Hope that helps.

>>102086795
Does that look like wood to you?

>>102086833
>A PCIe 4.0 NVME is not going to be any faster in the real world than a SATA SSD, let along a PCIe 3.0 NVME drive
Ignore this advice, it isn't true.

>>102086836
yeah it makes my dick wood.

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I will now buy your $2,000 GPU

>>102086844
Anon he's just gaming, not running CrystalDiskMark all day.
I know we all wanted DirectStorage to be some revelation in performance uplifts but that's not what happened.
No one cares if levels take 0.4 seconds less time to load.

>>102086855
>only 30% of her body shown
>ROG ROG ROG
cringe

>>102086861
>Anon he's just gaming
And there's a massive improvement in going for NVME 4.0 over 3.0, which in turn is a massive improvement over SATA. Any argument you could come up with in saying that the specific PCIe 4.0 drive he picked isn't very fast is nullified by the fact that it isn't any more expensive than just any 3.0 drive. But no, a drive that actually utilizes the 4.0 spec is not insignificantly slower in just loading games than a 3.0 drive.

>be me
>wired mousefag for years
>finally relent to get wireless mouse for ultimate aesthetics
>cursor freezes for about 3-4 seconds every 45 seconds

t-thanks?

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>>102086869
Hey, they even spelled 'Evangelion' correctly this time.

>>102086891
>Any argument you could come up with in saying that the specific PCIe 4.0 drive he picked isn't very fast is nullified by the fact that it isn't any more expensive than just any 3.0 driv
If 2 drives of equal capacity, one being 3.0 and the other 4.0, are priced the same sure. But neither you nor I can know that for sure depending the local market conditions he has to work with in his region. ANY price premium local retailers would have him pay for a 4.0-based drive over a 3.0 one in a gaming system will be wasted (that's money he could use for a faster GPU, CPU, or larger drive or just pocket instead). 95% of the benefits of an SSD are in the low Queue Depth Random Read/Writes and Latency IOPS. Most of battle is already one over spinning disk. More bandwidth from a higher throughput interface standard just to feed bigger sequential read/write numbers don't mean much as again this is a gaming PC not a server rack. I wish Optane hadn't died, but it is what it is.

>>102086855
No you won't, poor larper.

>>102086824
I'll mostly be playing league with a sprinkling of souls games here and there which is why I'd like a higher refresh rate monitor, I was actually thinking of going 1080p240 but they're a lot more expensive. I could go for the 5700x3d with a brighter 1080p monitor instead. That might be possible. I'll look into it thanks anon.

>>102086833
>cpu
I'll go with the 5700x3d if I can save enough money from changing other parts.
>ram
I'll keep that in mind, might save a couple bucks.
>gpu
The 6700xt is basically the best deal I could find locally. I might even be able to haggle for it a little so that's that.
>ssd
Difference isn't a lot between the sn770 and like an mx500 which is why I'm going with this. The mx500 is actually more expensive looking at it now, lol.
>monitor
I think I spent the most time looking for a good monitor; I've already looked at those and they're either unavailable or more expensive.

Thanks for the help!

>>102086958
>But neither you nor I can know that for sure depending the local market conditions he has to work with in his region.
Meanwhile you're giving him advice saying that a worse drive is just as fast for the money. That drive isn't expensive in any region, FYI.

But no, there are still games like Deep Rock Galactic where you can easily tell who is running what kind of drive during the loading screen. The PCIe 3.0 guy will just have to join the game later after everyone else has cleared the starting area.

>>102086979
I'm >>102086833 and no problem.
I will say that in 2024 I discourage anyone from settling for a 24" 1080p display.
The size and resolution increase going up to a 27" 1440p really makes a difference in immersion and daily usage.
League and other arena FPS titles are easy to drive as well.

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Still can't decide if I should go 4k or not with my 7900XT Red Devil. Anyone has experience with FSR at 4k?

>>102086932
>z790 hero evangenlion
>22 msi z890 but only 12 x870 boards
goddamn mobo jews always favoring intel

>>102087170
all upscalers in quality mode look good in 4k, I use quality fsr 3.1 at 1440p and it looks fine

>>102086855
hmm , i think i will wait for the white/blue Rei 5090

>>102087170
Haven't tried FSR 3.0, but older versions look like complete crap, and I would never buy a monitor on the basis of an upscaler.

The preempt the guy who posts screenshots and graphs sucking Jensen's dick, no, nobody thinks DLSS looks good or better than native or cures cancer.

>>102087170
buying into 4k means your invested in going with high tier gpus for the next several generations
dont do it if you cant afford it

Anything cheaper than AOC Q27G3XMN for HDR gaming? Not that price is bad, just wondering.

>>102086855
Why the fuck can't normal vendors do these animu crossovers, and why is it always fucking asus with their overpriced ROG shit?
That shit cost 3000$ here when it released, half the price of my current car.
Atleast I could afford the GPU holder they put out with it kek

>>102087673
Anime is a giant load of bullshit and weebs will pay any amount for anything with a weeb sticker put on it.

>>102087673
ASUS are the only ones willing to take the risk, even though something like Evangelion is ubiquitous enough that the license pays for itself.

>>102087691
true

Not a big storage guy, but I want to buy two 8TB HDDs, one for backup I'll keep in cold storage. Is it fine to just go to https://diskprices.com and buy the cheapest drives I can find, even if refurbished? The refurbisher has amazing ratings.

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>>102087673
Asrock made the sanic motherboard not too long ago

>>102087773
Yeah that's a thing and it looks cool, but I liked Sonic when I was like 14 and that was a long while ago

>>102087796
I feel like it was created for a certain subset of autistic adults who follow Chris Chan.

>>102087822
>its an intel motherboard
that explains a lot

>>102087773
I have several issues with ASRock.
1) they use sub par parts that die within a few years.
2) they lack actual features MSI and Gigabyte have like active/live BIOS recovery or dual bios without a secondary chip.
3) for whatever fucked up reason they decided to rewrite an entire subset of EFI in proprietary code instead of using the readily available open source hardware ones MSI Gigabyte and others use. I feel like once upon a time they wanted to be a system builder like HP or Dell, and instead decided to switch to only selling motherboards but never went back to properly supporting open standards and just continue to do so to this day. Buffoonery. Probably backdoored and we have no way of knowing.
4) their smi implementation has historically been very buggy. It's gotten a lot better lately but that's because they decided to just use MSI and realtek semiconductors instead of manufacturing their own.

You couldn't pay me to use ASRock. You can't spell ASRock without ass.

>>102087886
MSI also has long boot times and you can't save your BIOS settings when updating.
t. using my first MSI mobo

>>102087886
the thing is, they're actually the only good vendor at the moment so what does that tell you about Asus/MSi/Gigabyte

>>102087911
Check your ram timings.
>>102087917
They aren't. Not even close. I would explain it but I feel a lot of it would go over your head.

its here.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-8000-rdna4-graphics-card-with-56-cus-and-16gb-memory-appears-on-geekbench

>>102087886
works perfectly on my machine though

>>102087922
>Check your ram timings.
It was mediocre even before I manually OC'ed my memory. Now they're ~75 seconds. Doesn't really bother me, but I can see why people would have an issue with such long boot times

>>102087930
You can't boot open core on an asscrack motherboard. Into the trash it goes.

>>102087926
well we have a name but no perf indicators yet since these seem to be early engineering samples/test silicon and so are clocked super low and are performing worse than a gtx 1650

>>102087943
Like I said it's your ram timings. Set your voltages higher and it'll boot faster. You're starving your ram for electricity.

>>102086928
did you insert BT adapter into motherboard? it interferes a lot, move it close to the mouse like in monitor USB slot or extender

>>102087954
yep and a confirmation of the bus width/ram config

>>102087950
I meant ASRock kek. Sorry phone posting from bed. No core boot, no purchase. I don't trust them at all. What are you hiding that's requires encryption and no source code availability? Seems really suspect to me.

>>102087972
where does it show bus width in the article?

>>102087926
>rdna4-graphics-card-with-56-cus
this is sort of huge news, 7800XT got 60CUs
so either it performs well enough to make it smaller or we are not getting 7800 tier card

>>102087993
AMD isn't Nvidia. They never release a top tier card first for some retarded reason. It's always like a mid tier card first. Think 8600 tier, then 8700, 8800 etc. It's kind of stupid but it's their business model. We have to just wait and see. Chances are by February 25 we'll have the 8900xtx and it'll be like 20-30% faster than the 7900xtx.

>>102088015
for RDNA 2 and 3 they released their top end cards first as far as I am aware

top tier RDNA 4 is never coming it is fully cancelled and this has been known for months now

>>102087943
I also want to let you know that your ram isn't operating at the settings you set it at if you're seeing 75s boot time on MSI. It's running the ram in safe mode which is like the worst it can perform. Either set your clocks lower or increase your ram voltages.

>>102087985
16gb = 256bit

>>102088027
I wonder if it's due to gddr7. Good to know that my 7900 will hold it's value for me and my use case. I guess we win for waiting. In today's economy that's fantastic news. I'm not buying Nvidia with how they treat Linux.

>>102088015
>Chances are by February 25 we'll have the 8900xtx and it'll be like 20-30% faster than the 7900xtx.
Strong doubt, they cna't do it without 2nm, AMD going to skip a generation for top tier cards. In AMD palce I would release somethign faster than Nvidia top tier card mid nvidia gen same way they did with Intel, but because GPUs are very dependent on the fab nodes they can't do that.
Fun starts when nodes can't evolve anymore.

>>102087943
Also also, enable "Memory Context Restore" if you overclock ram on MSI motherboards. This will set your voltages higher on the fly within safe ranges.

>>102088053
People have said top tier RDNA 4 would have been Multi die like RDNA 3 but it's cost and complexity got out of hand and they scrapped it

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>>102088069
they could have done it, they chose not to do it and to get RDNA5 done instead

>>102088069
See>>102088053
So no 2nm either huh? Good time to own a 7900 card. I can chill with it. I can't think of a single game that takes full advantage of it and all my cad work runs beautifully on it.

>>102088079
Hey let's celebrate AMD for not price gouging just to release a product. Sucks for sure but it could have been worse. I applaud the presence of mind and sanity here.

>>102088081
See you when we get 9900xtx cards I suppose.

>>102088081
So MCM in 2027+ rDNA 5

>>102087959
>>102088042
>>102088070
I mean, it's just a copy paste of this but with Memory Context Restore disabled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYxmRcdLVw

Surely it can't be bad?

>>102088083
>>102088095
>>102088100
Gonna be comfy couple of years

>>102088107
Actual settings: SoC Voltage: 1.25V
MEM_VDD: 1.35V
CPU_VDDIO: 1.35V
MEM_VDDQ: 1.35V

tCL/tRCD/tRP: whatever your kit says in its EXPO/XMP profile
tRAS: 28
tRC: 68
tWR: 48
Refresh Interval (also called tREFI): 50000
tRFC1/tRFC: 500
tRFC2: 400
tRFCsb: 300
tRTP: 12
tRRDL: 8
tRRDS: 4
tFAW: 20
tWTRL: 16
tWTRS: 6
tRDRDSCL: 4
tRDRDSC: 1
tWRWRSCL: 4
tWRWRSC: 1
tWRRD: 2
tRDWR: 16

UCLK DIV1 Mode: UCLK=MEMCLK
Power Down Enable & Memory Context Restore: Disabled

>>102088081
Still can happen end of 2025, I think that's when TSMC going volume on 2nm. Thanks to Apple footing the beta testing bill for it.

>>102088083
yup, I'm on 7900 too, got it with 5 year plan in mind, and thanks to all the upscalers I think I can use it for more.

>>102088100
Hopefully RDNA4 is good.

>>102088106
I'm guessing early 2027.
Just to clarify, they didn't abandon MCM because there's something wrong with it (there is a drawback of power consumption) but RDNA3 itself had something wrong with it which is why Navi 33 was no better than Navi 23.

>>102088107
Enable it. Then do a cold boot. You'll see, it's not MSI but user error friend. It's ok we all make mistakes. I mean your dad didn't pull out (just kidding) and I bought an ASRock motherboard once or twice and every time I'm just let down. They make good budget tier motherboards if you just plan on running Windows and nothing else. Maybe gaming without too much overclocking. No core boot or open core. It's possibly backdoored and we have no way of knowing but if you run Windows, the telemetry is arguably worse.

>>102087971
figured it out, I had the dongle plugged into the usb pass through on my keyboard which was fucky

>>102088050
wrong
16 GB = 137,438,953,472 bits

>>102088118
I'm ok with that. I run Linux so I'm fine with it.
>>102088120
I thought maybe 3 years. Looks like that's going to be the case no matter what.
>>102088132
As long as it's Foss and as good as the 7900 was to the 4090, we'll be alright. Note that the 7900 stomps the 4090 running the 7900 on Linux vs the 4090 on any os in certain games. I think we're going to be fine. I mean sure the 5090 will be amazing, but we knew that already from the hacker leaks. The 40 series was always a stopgap card for Nvidia.

>>102088146
funny.

>>102088160
>The 40 series was always a stopgap card for Nvidia.
really? what is happening there? nvidia is usually boring, last time they did soemthing cool was maxwell, and turing cores were like hitting small nails with a sledgehammer, tensor cores suck.

>>102088174
Gddr7, new core nodes etc. I forget everything in the leak but it's actually going to be an amazing card (presumably). From the leaks it's supposedly 63% faster than 40. It's going to be a great card. Too bad it's bogged down by corporate greed. They are in bed with Microsoft and actively create bad Linux drivers on purpose. They hired the neuovo driver developer just to block him from supporting the 50 series card on Linux. Chances are, the 50 series card user space won't support Linux at all. That's the rumor anyway. Like it'll run ai in a terminal but you won't be getting any 3d support (supposedly according to rumors). Only time will tell.

>>102087886
interesting
what about asus? are they closer to msi/gigabyte or asrock?

>>102088174
3nm wasn't ready for Lovelace so they used 4nm, Blackwell is 3nm because 2nm isn't ready.
Right now they're a trillion dollar company because of AI, so they're very happy.

>>102088144
Do I enable Power Down Mode as well or keep it disabled?

>>102088219
Asus uses open hardware standards.
My hardware trust list in ascending order:
MSI,ASUS,Gigabyte,.....Asrock,Dell,HP.

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my ali express rx550 is dying on me (probably just a connection issue)
what PCIE powered GPU do I buy next?

>>102088235
Leave it disabled, it'll cause kernel panic/bsod
Power Down mode is for under clocking and under volting. Like if you run a mining rig.

>>102088247
thats a huge letdown then
im pretty happy with my b650 steel legend and was thinking of swapping to linux mint sometime soon
asrock be a dealbreaker in future for me if any hardware feature stops working in linux because of bad firmware

>>102088277
not that anon, but in this space. unless YOU have an actual issue with a brand, take people's bad experiences with a grain of salt
>outside of heavily documented issues like the ones gnexus rants about

>>102088266
So I can't undervolt my CPU or GPU at the same time with these settings?