AMD is good and framegen is a fucking meme

DE: KDE, Xfce, LXQt Avoid: GNOME, Cinnamon

>>102261963
True

>>102261963
I think GNOME is great for laptops, besides that singular use case then KDE, if you're in a retro mood, I love going XFCE with Chicago95.

>>102261938
what are those grease stains on the wood

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>>102261956
What about AMD frame gen?

>>102261982
He dropped his spaghetti in the cabinet

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Repost from last thread

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LKbTsh My PC is 6ish years old. I play strategy games and sometimes other genres as well but mostly old games + emulators, What could be my best upgrade?or should I build a new PC?

>>102261979
>GNOME is great for laptops
No
>if you're in a retro mood, I love going XFCE with Chicago95.
LXQt has a better windows theme
For gaming, can't go wrong with Xfce with compositor off

>>102262005
Ryzen 5600
2x16 GB 3600 CL18
whatever gpu you want

>>102262005
>What could be my best upgrade?
5800X3D, RTX 4090, 32GB 3200CL16 RAM and a new PSU.

When nextgen CPU’s and GPU’s? I have the money to build a PC but don’t want to buy right before a new gen

Sneed

>>102262050
Hard to make a recommendation without knowing what you plan to do with your new PC. I don't want to recommend anything overkill.

>>102262050
They just came out. 9950X. But it's not worth it for most people.

>>102262019
>2x16 GB 3600 CL18
honestly might struggle with that on a cheap B350
i would still get something like 3600C16 and run it at 3200C14 if 3600 doesn't work

>>102262075
Or just not bother for 1% difference

heres a revolutionary idea
make a pc thats like xbox series X, its a tube that uses 1 fan to cool the apu and components, have amd produce some x3d cpu + decent gpu thingie on tsmc 3nm for it
produce those by the millions to bring costs down and install steamOS on it for free and allow people to install pirated windows if they want. You can put replaceable camm2 form factor ram on it.

Now you have small form factor pc that is cheaper than other types of pc's.

>>102262050
You next gen niggers are so damn annoying. You will wait forever like a faggot or buy beta shit.

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7900 gre for €600 or 7900 xt for €700?
the 4070 ti super costing €850 is too much for my budget and I'll be damned if I pay €650 for a card that was supposed to have 16GB of VRAM but doesn't because "fuck you that's why"

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>>102262075
ram oc is typically cpu imc dependent

>>102262059
I like overkill

>>102262061
How do I know though that it will get good performance with a 5090 though?

My 14900K started blue-screening, so I'm moving over to AMD. What's the best motherboard to pair with the 7800x3D?

>>102262166
wait for 9800x3d

>>102262086
you have a higher chance of getting the rated speeds with high quality sticks
3600C18 are garbage bin rejects, you don't need to buy those in 2024
>>102262125
yeah but the B350s were that bad
you CAN get 5000 MHz to work on a B550, but it takes a lot of manual effort to make it work
similarly you CAN get 3600 MHz to work on a B350, but it could require manual effort if you aren't lucky
that guy is running some very expensive B-die at 3733C11, he definitely didn't just enable the XMP profile and call it a day

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>>102261991
Useful simply because it is more versatile.
>mfw using it to push a 24 year old game to 128fps
Actually that is a thought - it becomes even more useful in old games because they aren't reliant in TAA and the like so the image is more clean in general, which is good for framegen.

>>102262178
maybe 3200cl16 is a better choice after all
saves him $5 too which is nice

>>102262115
PCB's are used for multiple tiers of products. Just because it has space for two extra RAM packages doesn't mean the GPU supports them.

>>102262115
The GRE is better price vs performance and as long as you run the memory at a real speed it is the better buy IMO.

>>102262191
except the 4070 super from the pic is literally using scuffed 4070 ti super chips

>>102262190
3200C16 is the same as 3600C18
it's not worth saving $5 on RAM
but yeah, you could go with those, they will definitely work with that board, the QVL has many sticks at 3200

>>102262207
yes it's the same bin
some 36/18 kits have a 32/16 profile but not all. for a beginner it's probably better to recommend a 3200cl16 kit for guaranteed workful

>>102261938
the first /pcbg/ advice should be "ignore the sticky, it's made by ad bots"

>>102262115
GRE, unlock the memory in the driver + slap a oc and its pretty much same as 7900xt.

>>102262166
the cheapest asrock b650
overspending is stupid when you are at risk of early adopting another b350/x370 that were not supported when 5800x3d released on am4

>>102262019
>>102262031

Thanks for the replies, I have a few more questions:
If I get a ram kit which isn't listed on the motherboard's memory support list, It should works, right?
Should I get a new PSU only if I get something like a 5800x3d/5700x3d instead of the 5600, or should I replace it anyway?
Is the rx 6600 good enough for me?

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>>102262204
4070 super (and, thus, the 4070 Ti) uses an AD104 which - surprise, surprise, has a 192 bit memory bus. Note how all the AD104 products have 192 bit bus and the 103's have a 256 bit bus. Now do some math and you'll find that those two "missing" memory packages equates to the missing 56 bits in the memory bus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_40_series#Desktop

>>102262203
>>102262271
you don't think the 20GB VRAM is worth the €100? can't I overclock it and have it perform much better like an overclocked gre?
also what did you mean by "run the memory at a real speed" and "unlock the memory driver"? is that the other option I would find in the adrenalin menu along with overclocking and undervolting? the 20GB is tempting because I am going to keep the card for an extremely long time hopefully until it stops working and form what I understand vram is what matters most for higher textures rather than effects so I would like if it didn't get it's shit pushed when the next console gen makes devs crank the requirements up

>>102262390
>If I get a ram kit which isn't listed on the motherboard's memory support list, It should works, right?
yes
>Should I get a new PSU only if I get something like a 5800x3d/5700x3d instead of the 5600, or should I replace it anyway?
you don't need a new PSU for any of those
6 year old PSU should not be a problem, though yours only comes with a 5 year warranty
most new ones come with a 10 year warranty which makes me feel safer keeping them for that long

>>102262390
ram kit will work, motherboard list includes sticks that they have tested, they cannot possibly test all sticks
your psu is based on an outdated group regulated design but it should not cause you any issues, seasonic has good reputation
rx 6600 is a big upgrade from 1050ti but don't expect it to do more than 1080p and you can't run the latest games at maximum settings

>>102262412
its your money/system. you do you. we dont know or care about your future.

>>102262408
ok I didn't think to compare bus width but my point still stands. €650 is still to much for 12GB of vram and I remember when even the 4080 was supposed to have that much before nvidia chickened out from the backlash and probably made it into the 4070 TI super

>>102262489
thank you for your input but you forgot to answer how high can you overclock the 7900xt if gre can reach the former in performance?

>>102262540
overclocking on the core is silicon lottery, we don't know the rest of your system or apps which can influence bottlenecks, not every app is the same utilization.

in general you wont notice a 3-5% difference in fps when you're already getting 144-165fps.

TOTAL NJUDEA DEATH

>>102262522
The highlighted row in my pic is the 4080 12GB abortion - which is an AD104, not an AD103 like the other 4080's, which is why there was such a huge outcry - it was a 4070 and you'll see that the 4070 Ti has the same exact chip.

What game needs more than 12GB of VRAM?

>>102262585
>What game needs more than 12GB of VRAM?
The future ones

>>102262585
need: any modded game
but its not so much "need" but rather the experience is poorer when you have less vram capacity & bandwidth in general. even with same/lower settings, your 1% fps is lower and game engines do funky stuff like replacing textures and pop-in. stuff you cant see in benchmark graphs.

When is valve gonna release steamOS for regular desktop pc's
I kinda want to evade windows

>>102262870
>When is valve gonna release steamOS for regular desktop pc's
never
they realized supporting a trillion different hardware configurations is too much work
steamos isn't appropriate for a desktop anyway, it boots directly into big picture mode

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MnZXTY
i am about to pull a trigger on this
any thoughts / changes?

>>102262870
Steam OS is just Arch Linux. If you have an AMD PC just install one of the dozen versions of Arch Linux running Game scope.

I hate monitor shopping. I’ve narrowed down my choices to the BenQ EX270QM, AOC Agon PRO AG274QG, or AOC AG274QZM but at those price points I feel like I could just go for a low end OLED. Anyone have advice? Is there any major difference between Freesync Premium and G-Sync Ultimate monitors? That’s the main difference between these panels as far as I can tell.

>>102263023
Pretty much all "gaming" monitors will have gsync and VRR and you dont need to care about it at all. The special features like backlight strobing shit is then on some extremely expensive ips monitors.

Whats your use case? Gaming and anime?

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>>102263023

>>102263000
Do you really need titanium PSU?

>>102263181
i dont know
i just clicked 1000W (not sure if i even need that) and clicked the top ranking from

>>102263000
whats the use case...

>>102263195
wfh programming and 1440p gaming

I recently switched to a 4070 super and now I just started gayming for real
I noticed that when gsync is enabled it works like garbage. On this one the monitor goes crazy trying to report the right refresh rate, specially if I limit framerate in game. I had no issues with whatever AMD used, did I get memed or is there any step I'm not taking for VRR to actually just work the way it's supposed to?
It's specially noticeable when using a controller and moving the camera slowly. It's like the image is trying to catch up instead of just being smooth. There's also some tearing at times which is bewildering, thought gsync was enabled.
Is this why some people think VRR is pointless or janky? Because I don't think it's supposed to work like this.

>>102263202
Does programming require a 16 core cpu. just buy 9800x3d
I guess 64gb ram is entirely redundant since you dont work with large 3d models but whatever
nvidia is better for gaming and ray tracing, but buying a 4090 now when 50xx is around the corner is a bit sus
fractal north is the sexiest case so get that one instead
1k w psu would make sense if you bought a 5090

>>102263229
Is it a real Gsync monitor? A lot of monitors out there that say "Gsync capable" but it has no Gsync module its just doing freesync and not all freesync panels like Nvidia.

>>102261991
did i stutter?
AMD has better raster performance per silicon and that's all that matters

>>102263260
>9800x3d
you mean 7800x3d right?
7950x3d usually halves the time to compile stuff in compilation benchmarks so im willing to spend extra money
yea 64gb probably overkill, currently i got 16gb and its sometimes not enough
i want amd cuz im using linux
>fractal north
but it has no fans
>1k w psu would make sense if you bought a 5090
so what psu should I buy? 850w?

>>102263302
Yeah, it's gsync compatible
But I thought that it would actually mean that it wasn't unusable.
I guess I'll try fucking around with the settings, but it makes little sense.

>>102263465
Who cares about fans when you're carrying out JCB

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Budget: $3700 USD
Country: USA

Looking for a PC capable of high end AutoCAD/Revit/Civil 3D rendering, as well as AI projects like flux/llms. Aesthetically I prefer white pc components, or wood pattern.

I only need the desktop, I own my preferred monitor and peripherals.

I havent had to build a PC since around 2018 so I am not up to snuff on what brands or companies to use these days.

>>102263508
whats the name man details

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My motherboard has a light when it's booting, and the light stays up for VGA, and my 3060ti has no signal on my monitor. Is my GPU fried?

>>102263604
It's a Philips Evnia 27M1N5500ZA

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Currently got a 27' acer(VA, 1080p,185hz). Will use it as a 2nd screen and buy a new one. Must be:

>Around $250
>27 inch, quad HD
>at least 144hz
Unsure if VA, TN or IPS. I like the VA contrast but wonder if i'm losing alot in colors (i sometimes work with light frontend)

what would YOU guys get in my situation? Thoughts:
>AsRock PG27QFT1B (for being ips = better colors)
>LG ultragear 27GS60F-B
>AOC Q27G2

>>102263610
The GPU backplate is getting hot despite no signal

>>102263574
you want at least a 4090 for the stuff you want to do, like rendering and AI
Pair that up with a 7800x3D as the best CPU for graphics-intensive stuff.

>>102263619
that's not a real gsync panel as theres no gsync module in it. its a freesync panel larping as gsync for marketing unaware folks. if you buy a freesync panel without a gsync module then you have to double confirm that it works with nvidia before buying.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/

see your Phillips monitor is nowhere to be found here, so nvidia hasn't tested it for freesync and definitely didnt give it a gsync module.

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>>102263712
>see your Phillips monitor is nowhere to be found here
You could at least check.

>>102263761
nvidias lying to you. never buy nvidia again.

>>102263574
Aren't Quaddros for people like you idk?

I have a zotac 3090 that keeps crashing windows with a bug check value 0x00000116 corresponding to VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE. I've tried several things to fix it but between the crash only happening sporadically and being mostly in the dark about why it's happening I just want to get rid of the card. anyone here sell a gpu before? anything to be aware of before I try?

>>102260636
Let's get back to the part where you're lying by intentionally comparing settings that aren't equal
Here's the 4070 Ti without Frame Gen
https://youtu.be/WU9bbHfJ65Q?si=W7NSPJ8HdcjhaMTu&t=1195
which is the video where you got your cherrypick
Massively better performance and image quality than Radeon in your false comparison >>102260316
Geforce: better performance, better than native image quality, option to use Frame Gen
Radeon: lower performance, horrible image quality, no Frame Gen

>>102263610
Test it in a different system if possible
Try different ports
Still could be dead even if it's getting hot

>>102263574
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/qkJZ23

>>102263229
Seems like something's fucked up. Use DisplayPort. You have to manually enable G-sync in the control panel if it's not G-sync compatible branded.

>>102263023
>but at those price points I feel like I could just go for a low end OLED
You should

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>>102263782
Well this might have to do something with it so nevermind
I don't know what the fuck is going on with this game

>>102261938
Looking up HDD for 1 to 3tb storage

Wtf. Why are they seemingly still similar pricing to 10 years ago? I thought they were obsolete tech with ssd.

Are SSD the standard and have better storage:price ratios?

>>102263929
HDD pricing has mostly hit the floor so now capacity just goes up for the same money.

>>102261938
Plannin a build:
Will a Ryzen 5 7500F bottleneck an RX 7800 XT?
Or can I even lower the GPU to an RX 7700 XT, I just wanna play DayZ!

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>>102263000
Radeon is garbage
Here's someone trying to use Radeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI9rmTnxe8&t=331s
Rendering errors, crashing, horrible image quality
It's amazing to me that people are retarded enough to waste that much money on Radeon

>>102262115
>muh vram
Why do people get hung up on this when it doesn't even matter in the long run, to say nothing about the present

>that was supposed to have 16GB of VRAM
This is flat out wrong. The 4070 Super is AD104, which is only able to use 12 or 24 GB as >>102262408 explained

>>102262050
RTX 5090 and 5080 will probably be launched in January. There won't be any interesting new AMD chips for a while, but Intel will be launching new chips at some point, my guess is later than RTX 50 in 2025

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>buying 4090
>declined
>text from bank
>WAS THIS YOU?
fuck you. let me make terrible decisions with my money

>>102264007
i dont care about some monkey nigger game made by chinks

>>102261938
My current home PC (13700, 4070, 64GB RAM) sometimes struggles with Fusion 360 if I have big assemblies or very complicated parts with lots of features. While it's struggling to compute everything I'm not seeing I high load on any of the relevant components: max 15% on the CPU and GPU, max 2GB of RAM. Is the optimisation just shite, or is the some way I can unleash the whole system to get shit done quicker?

As for my work laptop, it's much worse at doing the same thing. I have asked the IT guy to get me a replacement that isn't slow as balls and he recommends a laptop with an RTX A2000, 13700H and 32 GB RAM. This is all within budget - but will that A2000 fix the problems I'm currently having with the 4070? On paper it should be a slower card for gaming, so it better have some great optimisation for CAD...

>>102264009
eh you prob dont make 2k € purchases very often

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>boots amd gpu
>crashes

>>102263978
>Will a Ryzen 5 7500F bottleneck an RX 7800 XT?
Not really. You could force a CPU bottleneck by doing stupid shit like low settings 720p but one assumes you're not buying a $400 video card to do that.
>Or can I even lower the GPU to an RX 7700 XT
A weaker GPU makes a CPU bottleneck less likely.
>I just wanna play DayZ
As I understand it DayZ is so graphically light that either card will be "naturally" bottlenecked by the CPU. Not much you can do about that aside from speccing a stronger CPU. However, a 7500F should be good for ~200FPS so the utility will be limited.
As I understand it, DayZ is one of those games that scales heavily off 3D cache so, if you're building a "pure DayZ rig", you might want to pay up for a 7800X3D if you're targeting high FPS for competitive reasons.

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>>102261991
Complete garbage
Literally disables itself when you move the mouse to preserve what little image quality it has and also has massive latency

>>102261956
>AMD is good
CPUs yes, GPUs no

>>102264024
It's the typical Radeon experience

>>102264028
>Is the optimisation just shite
Probably, check youtube for some benchmarks or do a little research about your program. A2000 does have different drivers for some professional programs, but you should test the hardware, or otherwise confirm it'll get you what you want, before throwing money at the problem

I have a 5950X and a 6900XT. Is there any good reason for me to even pay attention to the upcoming generation of hardware?

>>102264028
you hit single thread max load at like 6% cpu
fusion360 is single thread performance limited

>>102264102
>AMD
that's all you need to know.

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>buy monitor colour calibration tool
>huh, made it look grey, lets do it again
>a little better.. the number look good
>open a file in media view
>washed out,
>the fuck..
>open it in browser, washed out too :/
>only a few programs make use of the colour profile
>200+$ well spent
colourimiters are a scam, and you can't even use displaycal with display pro hl without issues and seeing as it's dead software you're fucked

>>102264102
Upgrade when a game comes out that you actually like but cannot run. Or, seeing as you have a quasi-workstation CPU, upgrade when your performance is no longer sufficient to meet business demand.

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>>102263978
It's DX11 so it's likely that Radeon is crippled by its driver even on an R5 7500F
DayZ is an easy game to play so just get a 4060

>>102264102
Do you want more fps
more ray tracing
play at 1440p instead of 1080
use oled with hdr and rtx
Do you want to use ai to make loli porn

>>102263949
I'm looking it up 1tb wd blue is like $100aud yet last time I bought parts around 10 years ago they were $60aud

SSDs are still in the same price range brackets but at least they have more storage. At least spending $90-100aud on an SSD now gets you 1tb or storage as opposed to just 120gb

Is SSD the way to go? Are there any long term reliability issues we have discovered about them?

>>102264098
Yeah a 7800X3D/7800XT combo was my initial choice but I'd think I could save on the CPU. Currently I got a Ryzen 5 3600 and RX 570 (!!!) running it at 1440p @45-65fps med-high settings, but I'd like it 1440p >120fps @high
>>102264131
at 1440p? Also the Sapphire PURE RX line LOOKS PERFECT :<

>>102264135
Raw material cost prevents low capacity HDDs from going down in price, inflation pushes that baseline upwards
If you aren't getting at 8TB, preferable 14TB+ you're wasting your money on HDDs

SSDs aren't magical bulletproof storage but they are like half as likely to randomly die compared to HDDs

im going to do it.
im getting a 7900gre instead of 4070super.
the results look the same and the msi slim went up in price.

$549 PowerColor Hellhound OC Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16 GB Video Card
$619 MSI GAMING X SLIM ($649 before rebate)

why would anyone get the 4070 super instead

>>102264181
Please exercise caution when conversing with the Nvidia fanboy.

>>102264132
I play at 4k 144Hz. No interest in AI.
>>102264128
I tend to upgrade when I start having to reduce game settings below maximum to get playable FPS.

>>102264040
my exact experience line-for-line. I even reacted like your pic.

>>102264229
what games run at 4k 144hz with 6900xt
the biggest improvement for you would be buying a 1440p oled monitor, after that get a 50xx gpu for rt and dlss and whatever

>>102264007
>Here's someone trying to use Radeon
The drivers don't support Wukong yet so obviously the game has issues. AMD being very slow to update their shit is a fact though.
>it doesn't even matter in the long run
It's already starting to matter with some titles and it will become worse. It's undeniable that Nvidia is selling cards with less ram so poorfags can upgrade more often. 16+ GB would last someone a lot longer, possibly being enough even in the early years of the PS6 era just like 8 GB was enough until very recently
>5090 and 5080 will probably be launched in January
They will cost an arm and a leg in the first 3 months, maybe more and unless you are buying the 5090 you should wait for the refresh a.k.a. the ungimped card. They will cost even more after AMD said there will be no competition for the high/enthusiast range.
>Intel
Brother they are dead. It's time to move on. The division is gone and not coming back. Also they started working on Battlemage around the same time as 770 so there is a very high chance it will be competing with the RTX30X0 series just like 770 was almost a generation behind. Celestial and Druid was our final hope but it's over. Also Intel drivers managed to be even worse than AMD's

>>102264204
Productivity

>>102264264
>The division is gone and not coming back
Was that actually announced or are you pulling shit out of your ass?

>>102264181
>but I'd think I could save on the CPU
Sure. As I said it depends on your FPS target. Check benchmarks to confirm but I think a 7500F should be good for that ~120. If you want more for competitive reasons then you have to pay up...

>Currently I got a Ryzen 5 3600
... or not. Update your BIOS and install a 5*00X3D.

As for the card, either one you mentioned will run it fine. From my limited experience I believe DayZ does prefer Nvidia but they're pretty shit (for other games) in the sub-$600 range. It's a case of picking your poison I'm afraid. For a dedicated DayZ build I would take a 4060Ti but would prefer an AMD card for a more general gaming rig at this budget.

>>102264292
all the results are near identical. is there any real argument or just "productivity"

>>102264349
im not trolling btw, i have no idea. trying to justify spending $70 more for a 4070super

>>102264229
>having to reduce game settings below maximum
That's retarded. Most games have little visual difference between high and max these days.
Of course it's your money so you set the policy. If you're into AAAslop then your policy is already "broken" so upgrade now or at next gen launch.

>>102264257
im not that anon but 6900xt has afmf2/lsfg so all you need is half your monitors hz in fps to get a great experience. if its 144hz then thats only 72fps. 4k 72fps is achievable on 16gb gpus as long as you aren't doing retarded settings.

>>102264320
Supposedly a leak I saw repeated here so I am doing my part. Even if it's still going you should wait for their third generation GPUs that were designed AFTER they hopefully learned from their mistakes. Battlemage was too far ahead to start working on it from scratch again so they are probably taking their time fixing bugs so I wouldn't buy one unless you want to buy Celestial or Druid (whichever the third gen was) ASAP and throwing your current card in the bargain bin

>>102264264
>AMD being very slow to update their shit is a fact though.
I remember when I got my R9 290, I checked for recent updates and was shocked to see their last driver release was three months prior. Driver support seems to have been a consistent failure for AMD, and they haven't made any meaningful improvements in over a decade.

Is buying “open box” monitors at Best Buy fine or will I get fucked with some trash?

>>102264461
you know you can return the item

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>>102261938

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sFXMBL

Dusted off my 2017 desktop the other day, is running considerably slower than I remember it even when perfoming basic tasks like going online or accessing file manager. It runs older games just fine though, I can run battlefield 4 on mostly high settings in 4k with solid 60fps, struggles with r6 although I remember it working fine.

I'm not an expert at pc building, and I intend to keep this machine for mostly "retro gaming" as most games I play and own are over 10 years old.
Still, I would like to run some modded recent games and be able to do some light video editing on this pc, what do you nerds recommend I upgrade first? I asked a friend and he said the CPU is pretty weak and that it would be easy to throw in a relatively cheap 1080 8gb and double my RAM + upgrade to ddr4, would this be a good option?

Trying to keep my costs down, don't mind buying 2nd hand stuff my budget for upgrades is around 200 bones. I'm in Portugal

Thanks for the help :)

>>102264461
>will I get fucked with some trash?
Unlikely unless you're looking for issues. In my experience, most open-boxes have no issues with them, or minor problems like a stuck or dead pixel.

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worst thing about new build is reinstalling and migrating everything.
AAAAAAAAAAA

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>>102264181
Check benchmarks for yourself, but the 4060 will probably push those framerates at 1440p. A 4060 is way more than 2x a 570, and higher framerates are where you're more likely to run into limits of Radeon's DX11 driver. But obviously check for yourself, as maybe that game doesn't have problems with it and you'd be fine if you really want the 7700 XT. 7800 XT is definitely overkill for DayZ in terms of cost

>>102264264
>16+ GB would last someone a lot longer
I think the only argument for this being the case is with the HEAVY use of DLSS, i.e., extremely low render resolutions, we're talking 540p or something. The 4070 Super is sub-60FPS at the highest settings in Wukong even without RT at full resolution 1080p. The cards like the 4060 are barely usable in new games now, not because of the VRAM, but because of the power of the GPU. If you're really trying to use AD104 (e.g., the 4070) into the PS6 era you'll be able to, but only at extremely low base resolution. I seriously doubt VRAM will have any effect on the longevity of the card, especially for poorfags, as we know beggars can't be choosers and small image quality niggles aren't a big issue for them by default. And of course DLSS is far, far better when reconstructing from low resolutions. 1440p Performance and 1080p Quality = 720p input resolution

>Brother they are dead
I was talking about CPUs (which are obviously struggling as well, as are Intel's foundry), but the GPU division is not dead. GPUs are extremely important for modern computing, and Intel can't afford to be left behind.

>there is a very high chance it will be competing with the RTX30X0 series just like 770 was almost a generation behind
At best it'll be comparable to RDNA4, which is to say midrange, as RTG isn't releasing any high end products this time around. I'm really rooting for Arc but I definitely don't recommend the cards because of the drivers.

>>102264391
I can't remember the last time I played a AAA game at launch, or even within the first year. Actually wait, I can, it was Fallout 4.
Lately I've mostly been playing games like Valheim, 7 Days to Die, Cyberpunk 2077, and the RE4 remake.
>>102264257
Lots of games do, but even if it runs at 50-60fps that's fine.

>>102264101
Nvidia is garbage, intel gpu's are 1000X's better than your wastes of money garbage shill.

>>102264482
In order:
1: Add a more modern cheap card. A used 1080 is too old for my tastes but it's around the right performance class. Maybe a 2060 or 6600XT. You're on PCIe 3 so best to avoid x8 cards like the 6600 or 3050 even if they would be better value on paper.
2: Upgrade the RAM. Get a fresh kit of 16/32GB. Don't pay a big premium for 1866MT/s.
3: Upgrade the CPU. I doubt the board supports 7000-series CPUs so you're most likely looking at a 6700(K). TotL i7s retain more value than they realistically should so be careful here. Don't spend so much that a platform upgrade would be in sight.

>>102264492
>not because of the VRAM, but because of the power of the GPU.
mot only that but studios seem to think everyone has a 4090 already because it almost seems as if they are targeting 60 fps on it and everyone else can get fucked
>I doubt VRAM will have any effect on the longevity
funny you would mention that because the only thing holding me back from doing what I wanted to before upgrading was my card having only 2gb and being unable to run shit even in 720p because of it. if it had more it would still be enough for me even if it wasn't powerful by any means even when it launched

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>>102264482
You can't do a whole lot with 200 in Portugal. Even a 1060 would be a big upgrade. Your motherboard is only DDR3 capable, so if you're changing anything about the platform, you'd just buy completely new, maybe an R5 5600 + cheap AM4 board.
https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/tBx9PX
Ideally you'd probably spend a few extra bucks on 32 GB RAM but it's not necessary
I'd maybe double your budget to get something good including graphics card. Maybe you can find a used CPU+mobo+RAM combo. Look for i5 10400, R5 3600

>>102264599
>Nvidia is garbage
I know, that's why its stock price is so high

>>102264695
>targeting
They're building games around reconstruction by default, and as reconstruction can start from a very low input resolution (with corresponding degradation of image quality), they're abusing the technology either by simply pushing it too hard or just not optimizing their games

>my card having only 2gb and being unable to run shit even in 720p because of it
The best 2 GB card would probably be the GTX 770, and that is quite an old card. I'm not even sure it's DX12 capable. The GTX 960 2 GB does, but still it's extremely weak. I don't think it's usable in anything remotely modern or demanding, VRAM notwithstanding. They can play CS2 and Valorant
https://youtu.be/W8wM0HI-vvw?si=G1ZY0KZYxQnB1IwX&t=36

I guess if you really do not care about image quality, just buy the 7600 XT 16 GB and run PS6 games at 270p 20 FPS with FSR

>>102263046
Gaming and programming, with the occasional movie night. Looked in to VAs but it can’t say I like them much more over IPS monitors. I’d like a good mini-LED but at that price point I would just commit to OLED. Only reason why I don’t want to go OLED is for having IDEs, consoles, and other screens open for hours at a time.
>>102263052
Nice, good to know. Thanks for that my man. Who’s the source?

when is the 8800XT supposed to drop? TGS? or not till next year?

>>102265015
Not til 2025. I think we could see them in Jan but maybe not until Nvidia releases its midrange, which will be later in the year

>>102264913
>Only reason why I don’t want to go OLED is for having IDEs, consoles, and other screens open for hours at a time.
I only code as a hobby, so take this with a grain of salt. I've kept VSCode open for around 400 hours in total, and I haven't noticed any signs of burn-in. As long as you keep your screen brightness below 25% while coding, you should be fine (I'm using an LG C2).

I also have an LG CX with 5,000 hours of general desktop use, and there's still no burn-in on that either.

I only recommend doing this with LG TVs, as they seem quite resistant to burn-in based on both my experience and what I've read. Avoid Samsung panels at all costs, their QD-OLED technology tends to burn in much faster.

>>102265041
cause I like the 7900XTX but I dont feel like I need 24GB right now.

Is it worth it to change thermal pads on my 3060ti?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JosuRSY5eRc

it stays at 89ºC at max usage and proper ventilation, not sure that's very optimal.

>>102265067
They aren't making a high end GPU next gen nor are they including any significant improvements so you should buy the XTX and keep it for another generation or two until AMD decides to try again or you decide to buy Nvidia. The 8800XT is guaranteed to be weaker than it. Alternatively see how you feel about 4080S and 4090 if you can afford them and feel like spending that much money

>>102265067
I don't see why you would like a trash heap

>>102265095
>it stays at 89ºC
Disturbingly terrible heat dissipation from what looks like a pretty robust cooler.

Should I go with a 3060, 7600xt, or arc a770?

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>>102264691
>>102264903
Thanks guys, will follow advice!

>>102265147
Are you nvidia shills trying the good cop/bad cop marketing strategy where 1 shill tries to be helpful and informative while the other (You) is being a cunt for no reason? The XTX can hold it's own against a 4080 without issue

>>102265242
>being a cunt for no reason
>no reason
It just comes naturally.

does having background applications open use up all the l3 cache on the x3d cpus? how can you even tell how much is being used?

>>102264009
>is your broke ass really spending that much?
LMAO

>>102265242
Bro I think you replied to the wrong dude. I just want a gpu for 300 or under that's decent.

>replied to the wrong person
>cant delete post
It's over. You should go Nvidia because I am apparently a fucking retard

>>102263643
>Currently got a 27' acer(VA, 1080p,185hz
my condolences

>Around $250
>27 inch, quad HD
>at least 144hz
>Unsure if VA, TN or IPS
>I like the VA contrast but wonder if i'm losing alot in colors
honestly, almost any IPS screen will look like utter shit if you put it next to a VA.
going from 3-4000:1 contrast to 1000:1 is WAY more noticeable than losing a few % of adobergb coverage

>what would YOU guys get in my situation?
probably the AOC miniled everyone is raving about
q27xmn something something.
just google aoc va miniled and you'll find it.

>>102264903
>that's why its stock price is so high
its stock price has nothing to do with gaming GPUs

Everyone should just buy the 4070Ti.

>>102265468
You mean TI super right?

>>102265389
>VA trash

>>102265468
only if you have a good deal
>>102265476
also this

>>102263643
Get IPS. It's more balanced with less flaws compared to VA or TN. Absolutely avoid TN. Just buy IPS. YOU'LL LOVE IT, DON'T BE LIKE ME I WENT THROUGH VA AND TN AND POSTED ABOUT IT HERE I SAW THE LIGHT WITH MY OWN EYES

>>102265485
My local store has a 4070Ti non Super, Aorus Master variant, for the same price as 4070 Supers from Galax or Zotac.

>>102264913
you could get a 4k 28" ips for coding, then a 1440p oled for gaming and other media

>>102265504
not bad

>>102265468
Superseded by the 4070 Super in terms of price/performance in most regions

>>102265504
You really want the TiS for the extra vram for futureproofing

>>102264389
If you cannot afford an extra $70 for a significantly better Upscaler and NVENC alone you should not be buying a $500+ GPU to begin with dude. Going to be a real good purchase when games start shipping with forced RT like a lot of them already are.

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>>102265468
hmmm.....no

>>102265625
based

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>>102265625

ive never had an nvme before
should I buy the heatsink version or not? (going to buy the asrock livemixer mobo)

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>>102265712
Then non-heatsink version will still come with a sticker that acts as one for sufficient dissipation (so don't peel it off). So it really won't matter, get whichever is cheapest at the time.

>rt ultra

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>>102265690
If I played star wars I might care but I do not so accurate result or not that is a meaningless benchmark for my use case.

>>102265690
>raytracing gimmick that eats 70% of your fps for 0 graphical difference
if you said path tracing you would kind of have a point even if it's something you can ignore and not notice at all
>game is so shit only 2 cards can reach 60 fps WITH upscaling
lmaoooo

>>102265760
>I dont play it so it doesn't effect me
That's fair, just expect more of this and maybe it'll eventually be a game YOU DO want to play.

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>>102261938
How fake and gay is something like this?

>>102265775
Buddy the entire game uses Ray-tracing whether you turn on RTX or not. So calling it a gimmick is hilariously uninformed, most of the lighting in the game is not possible with rasterized lighting.

>>102265744
the sticker doesn't dissipate anything really. it just ensures even heating between the different parts. you dont want huge deltas between controller and nand.

>>102265573
the "upscaler" results are also within 5-10fps range for most games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFKhlplCNpM

>>102265744
the heatsink one is like 5$ more

>>102265823
most just looking at 1440p btw

I was virtual machining Linux Mint and noticed that there are Nvidia driver options.
Is it safe to make a Nvidia GPU PC nowadays or is it better to stick with AMD?

>>102265775
It is path tracing

>>102264264
>It's already starting to matter with some titles and it will become worse.
We've already seen this (and ironically the exact same arguments) with the R9 390 8GB vs the 970 3.5GB. Similarly priced once AMD dropped the price, both terrible cards for 4K yet the 390 lasted a hell of a lot longer in terms of usability than the 970.

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>>102265573
Neither card are good at raytracing

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>>102265690
>>102265789
*farts*

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>>102265823
>within 5-10fps
Yeah but FSR is garbage
This is a very generous chart for FSR

>>102265931
Do you only stick to one test result?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFKhlplCNpM

This video that 7900gre wins 90% of the time

everyone should just buy the 8800XT

>>102264126
>create icc profile
>99% of programs never reference it
i dont know why gayming monitor reviews always include them
it only ever makes sense for people doing colour-sensitive work
the other thing reviewers tend to gloss over is that you have to regularly recalibrate your monitor
>t. was a "professional" monitor calibrator for nearly 4 years

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>>102265468
>>102265946
everyone should buy whatever they want

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>>102265919
False, the 4070 Super can use that 60 FPS at 1080p for 1440p DLSS Quality, which is better than native in Cyberpunk. So it's great for RT in that example

>>102265945
You just posted the same video over again, dummy. Sure FSR can provide FPS but at a massive cost to image quality

>gre wins 90% of the time
No it doesn't. And especially not if we consider RT and DLSS

>>102265995
Yeah FSR is absolute garbage, people that swear FSR is as good if not better (I've seen a few nutters say this) must be blind as a bat.

>>102265857
for linux its still better to use amd but nvidia isnt as horrible as it was 10+ years ago
apparently nvidia will be open sourcing more of their shit in the coming years but i remember hearing about that back when ubuntu was fairly new so ill believe it when i see it

>>102265995
>You just posted the same video over again
It's a video, not a chart. That video refutes most of your .png's claims. You're not going to watch it because you have your .png lol.

>>102265995
that shimmering is the main reason i loathe all this new taa bullshit
deferred rendering was a mistake

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>>102266018
Delusional
Also that PNG is from the same channel

>>102266048
DLSS doesn't shimmer, and the point of TAA is to reduce shimmer from native

>>102266064
deferred rendering is what introduced all this subpixel shimmering
forward rendering had its issues but that wasnt one of them

>>102266064
dlss does still shimmer. nvidia shows it in their own slides how ray reconstruction decreases the occurence and severity of it.

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>>102266064
I don't think it's from the same channel. And I don't think 7more fps is worth $70 more dollars.

>>102266016
Alright thanks anon!

>>102266118
Overall results come in around 17:15. I want you do watch it to get a different perspective from your png. It's not long, only like 2 minutes.

>>102266093
That's noise caused by casting rays, ray-reconstruction fills the gap in between the pixels with use of the DLSS pathway. Nothing to due with Aliasing lmfao. Don't comment on things you know absolutely nothing about.

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>>102266079
>shimmering
Shimmering has always been a problem with 3D graphics

>>102266093
I'm not saying any AA technique is perfect, but generally temporal techniques don't shimmer. TAA basically just blurs everything to the point that it doesn't shimmer, so the solution is to have a very high reconstruction target because at low res that means a lot of blurring. If you have an Nvidia card, you can use DLDSR or DSR to target a high rendering resolution and then downsample to your monitor's native resolution (using DLSS to hit that target resolution if need be).
Here's Hellblade 2 with 4K DLSS Perf vs 1080p DLAA
https://imgsli.com/Mjc1OTk1
And here's Space Marine 2 with 4K DLSS Perf vs 1440p DLAA
https://imgsli.com/Mjk0NTkz

>>102266182
you cant stop me

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>>102266118
>I don't think it's from the same channel.
You'd be wrong. Be aware that the channel is also known as AMDumboxed, so you need to guard yourself against the shilling

>>102266175
Friend, I know way more about graphics cards, their performance, and their features than you do. 4070 Super and 7900 GRE are basically tied in rasterization performance. 4070 Super is better than the 7900 XTX when it comes to transformative RT, and of course DLSS has substantially higher image quality than FSR. Also there are a myriad of other features like Broadcast and Reflex where Radeon has basically no competing feature (e.g., Antilag2 is in nogaems)

>>102266252
I guess I'm just perplexed that you know more than the big youtubers that are reviewing the cards. What are you credentials?

>>102266252
Also you posted the same png lol and didn't watch the video yet.

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i only play games that give the option (in-game) to use msaa

>>102266303
>>102266291
I'd love to try to hear out your opinion but all you keep doing is posting the same video and not actually making an argument.

>>102266318
The video is the argument. Your argument is your png. Surely you already came to that conclusion. Am I the AMD shill or are you the NVIDIA shill?

>>102266291
He is employed by nvidia so he has insider information

>>102266330
Not png bro, just hoping you'd show some evidence and put some effort in.

>>102266345
You have to just be trolling at this point. I already said I knew you weren't going to watch the video but don't keep acting like you know better if you don't want to watch it lol.

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use linux they say
it's way better and easier to use they say
fuck off, it's no wonder why people are still sticking with windows

>>102266360
does it work if you drag the tab itself into the folder?

>>102266345
>some evidence
>>102266118
>7fps
>$70 more
fuck sakes

>>102266360
Why are you using gnome? Are you a gay communist?
The default desktop environments are KDE and Xfce. Stray at your own peril.

>>102265990
BASED

>>102266252
you dont know shit about graphics cards

should i get drivers from the mobo support page or check the component manufacturer pages seperately i.e. check realtek website for audio/network drivers, amd site for chipset drivers etc

>>102265990
how else am i supposed to rationalize my purchasing decisions if i cant try to force as many people as i can into making the same mistakes?

>>102266444
it installed some ancient graphics card drivers when i ran it

>>102266451
maybe you have an ancient card

>>102266182
The more I learn about raytracing the more I hate it. It's at least 20 years ahead of where the hardware is despite Nvidia's marketing to deploy in a meaningful way that supersedes rasterization at the resolutions and framerates of current monitors and still comes with it's own unique problems that rasterization either never had or solved with hacks years ago. It has set back graphics and game performance to the PS3-era. Moreover, in the grand of universe of games that don't have or need RT/PT traditional raster performance is actively harmed Nvidia's focus on trading off die area for it.

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asked this in the stupid questions thread and didn't get a response. I have a 1tb SSD that my OS and all my shit is on. I want to get 2 or 3tb SSD to start storing some of my 3D shit on. Will having my main files for my assets/renders etc things my program will be loading with or using on a SSD other than the one my OS is installed on matter?

>>102266444
nta but i recently built a pc for my nephew and ran that tool but it kept hanging at the 'detecting hardware' stage.
apparently its an old known issue and its basically grasping at straws as to how people fixed it or if they did at all
ended up having to fuck around with manually installing via device manager and pointing directly to .cab files and other shit
fucking headache of a thing

>>102266473
No

>>102266462
7800xt

>>102266473
no (silly forgposter)

>>102266421
mobo support page and gpu page for drivers, and always install and restart before you connect to the internet

>>102266444
Disregard this ^
thanks >>102266477 and >>102266451

>>102266466
Yeah I agree with that, I thought RT was neat but after learning more about it, it's still imitation. Actual light transport and spectral ray-casting is decades off.

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DLSS this or that...FSR allows me to run new games on my 1070 so you lost :)
ALSO WHY DOES EVERY GAME IGNORE 16:10 even though the settings screen sees it?

>>102266509
oh ya he's trolling

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>>102266303
To show you the source

>>102266357
He's not me, retard. Anonymous is not one person. And do you really think I haven't seen AMDumboxed's videos?

>>102266466
>It has set back graphics and game performance to the PS3-era
Retarded. Full rasterization is garbage at this point. I recently messed with Space Marine 2 and it looks pretty dated. So much of the game is unshadowed, like the root in the lower right quadrant, or the character itself

>>102266509
I imagine FSR must look pretty bad in Space Marine 2, as there's a lot of fast action where FSR falls apart

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>>102266658
The joke is that FSR works on every hardware you cocksucking homofaggot.

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>>102266760
I'm happy for you bud

>>102266779
I have a Fermi and a Pascal card. Why can't I use DLSS.

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>3070
>14900

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>>102266797
Because your nearly 10 year old hardware from 2016 doesn't have tensor cores
How do you think Nvidia and Intel get the much higher image quality over FSR. XeSS also doesn't run on older hardware, and it's slower than DLSS when it's in its dp4a mode (aka not running on the Arc specific XMX cores, which is the tensor equivalent)
FSR works on everything, which also means it's garbage (but again, someone on a 1070 can't be a chooser)

I had XeS in Tsushima

>>102266867
you shame people but you have a 4070
lmao

>>102266797
Just like RTX 2k and 3K owners dont get frame gen, because the new cards are super duper awesome and the old ones are trash

>>102266867
What is a tensor.

owning a perfectly usable older Nvidia card is a worse crime than owning an AMD card in the eyes of the Nvidia shill.

>>102266920
they are fomo babies who don't even game...

>>102266658
>conveniently skips over this post

>>102266382
kek

Someone needs to start releasing benchmarks at "iso-image quality" because sure, you get the same FPS if you're using FSR Quality vs DLSS Quality but your image quality is worse using FSR, sometimes much worse.

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>>102266897
I don't need more
95% of the time I'm playing Apex Legends these days. Honestly it's overkill but I like to play random UE5 games sometimes

>>102266920
It's not a crime to stay on a old card
I never push consumerism
But if someone has decided to upgrade, I have some opinions

>>102266965
Correct, it's dishonest to show bar charts with FSR and DLSS side by side. Most of the time Radeon won't be able to match Geforce's image quality at all, as for instance DLSS Quality is better than 4K native TAA in a game like Hogwarts. How would Radeon even compete? Can't even run 4K native and get equivalent image quality

>>102267002
>Apex Legends
shit gaem

>>102267002
what game is that

My Fractal Design 3-pin case fan cable simply will not go in the 4-pin header on my Gigabyte motherboard. Are there different types of these fucking things or what? Am I supposed to jam it in hard? I didn't have any trouble with the CPU fans.

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>>102267022
Nobody Wants to Die
Meh game despite the Steam reviews, but it scratched an itch
Unfortunately it doesn't have hardware Lumen (only software), so the lighting quality is lower than it needs to be sometimes

>>102267022
i hit the google button and it said nobody wants to die

>>102267049
So you just drive a space car around

What's gping on with 5800x3d prices?

>>102267064
am4 is a popular platform and that is the best cpu on the socket

>>102267064
5700x3d is nearly the same thing but half the price

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>>102267064
Superseded by the 5700X3D

>>102267060
It's a noire detective game set in the future. You use gadgets to reconstruct crime scenes and follow the trail of the murderer of the founding father of consciousness transfer from body to body

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someone tell me I can't trust this please.

>>102267139
>gentle donghao

>>102267139
>gentle donghao
That's the store's name because that's hao it gently puts its dong in your anus

>>102267151
You get a cheap GPU and free anal? DEAL!!

Geforce Blackwell news when?!
Arrow Lake release date when?!

>>102267144
>>102267151
I just want to upgrade my 1060 already.

>>102267173
Who the fuck pretends to remember these names

>>102266760
Wow that is blurry. The grass is basically all combined together into some weird carpet. What a winner.

>>102267187
you can't remember 2 words associated with your favorite consumer goods producer?

>>102261938

I'm concerned to read that the Samsung 990 Pro is considered a premium SSD. I can't even unzip hundred of files without it being so slow. Tried upgrading my firmware too with Samsung Magician, everything is up to date. Apparently a lot of others online have this problem. This is with a B650 MSI Gaming with Wifi board. :/

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currently have a 1050ti but thinking of getting a new PC with a 7900 XTX is it a good idea? I like to play video games

also how come all new PC cases look like dogshit atm?

>>102267125
>It's a noire detective game set in the future. You use gadgets to reconstruct crime scenes and follow the trail of the murderer of the founding father of consciousness transfer from body to body
Can we get some benchmarks on that game

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>>102267173
High end Blackwell is basically known, the main unknown is the pricing. Jan launch, 5080 ~= 4090. 5090 = 4090 + 30%

>>102267208
Of course

>>102267204
>7900 XTX is it a good idea?
no

>>102267203
990 Pro has been wonderful to me, close to 1.5gb per second here.

>>102267203
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/yBC48d,RKYmP6/

>>102267139
extremely dubious desu but despite all the shit amazon gets for being le soulless megacorp who doesn't care about you they will refund your purchase for basically any reason whatsoever.

>>102267216
Lmao you're delusional

>>102267204
i went from a 1050ti to a 4080s
shit is so cash

>>102267229
Is that WD drive cache-less? Doesn't have a Cache size listed, I'd hate to save $15 and lose out on having a cache.

>>102267265
check the tpu ssd database if you want to know

>>102267184
Then get a 7600xt or 4060 if you want to stick around $300

>>102267265
https://versus.com/en/samsung-990-pro-2tb-vs-western-digital-wd-black-sn850x-2tb

>>102267288
I'm leaning towards the 3060 for the 12gbs of vram but I don't know if that's just a meme.

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>>102267203
>https://www.phoronix.com/review/corsair-mp700-pro/2
Samsung drives have borked firmware that gets exposed on linux. Avoid at all costs!

>>102267330
Yeah, can't argue with that, it seems to have cache too, PCpartpicker was just lazy. Speed difference really doesn't explain Anons issue but the WD drive is certainty better. Thanks for the info.

>>102267247
At least with DLSS you can get acceptable image quality and performance with some optimizations

>high (not epic) + dlss quality
https://youtu.be/on2Re89V9Cw?si=FQaiqVPlD80APgI6&t=199
3070 owners still eating good at 1440p because of DLSS. Same can't be said for 6700 XT buyers

>>102267288
>4060
Definitely usable, and who knows whether the 50 series XX60 class card will be much better, but in terms of performance it's not that great if someone has his sights set on a 4070 Super

>>102267348
samsung is overpriced. get the sn850x, you wont notice a difference

>>102267204
if you can afford an XTX you can afford a 4080
you should only consider amd on the lower to mid end where nvidia is offering literal garbage
it goes like this
>can you afford a 4090
no?
>can you afford a 4080s
no?
>can you afford 4070 TI super
no?
>do you care about ray tracing/dlss/ai at all
yes? 4070 super bare minimum
no? 7900xt should be between the lasy 2 cards
still too expensive? 7900 gre > 7800xt and so on for amd unless you want to consider second hand ex mining 30 series nvidia gpus (bad idea)
maybe a first hand 3060 ti but it is showing it's age already
nvidia really fucked over the low end customers this generation

>>102267353
oh sorry i thought you were the png guy from earlier

>>102267353
Why do they put 8GB in 60 class cards? Isn't that a little excessive? 6GB is plenty. Who even needs more than 4GB?

>>102267370
3.5GB is enough

>>102267363
I wouldn't really consider the 4070Super RT capable at least with the latest examples. It really scrapes by in Cyberpunk with PT using DLSS Q and FG at 1440p. Wish I would've went 4070TiSuper, really the bare minimum for an enjoyable experience with RT at 1440p.

>>102267347
If only my Micron 7450 felt that fast.

>>102267386
well you can still work with a 4070 super and the price jump between that and 4070TiS is too much for a lot of people with nothing good inbetween from nvidia
thats where the 7900xt comes in provided he doesn't care about fake frames ai and rt

>>102267389
You buy optane if you want fast

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>>102267438
I already do
Got my Optane for OS and modded games
7450 for all another games

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>>102267370
For one thing, that performance class (the 2080 Super, 3060 Ti, 4060) all have 8 GB. You have to hand it Nvidia for sticking to its guns and not abandoning buyers of its previous cards and not changing its standards. 8 GB on the low end is fine as long as games are developed with quality settings in mind. Really the problem with the 4060 is its price, as it should be a $200 card and named the 4050 Ti

>>102267386
4070 Super is fine for most RT titles (e.g., hardware Lumen UE5 games) excluding the full PT games like Cyberpunk 2077. You really want to hit at least Balanced at 1440p (835p input IIRC) and Performance at 4K (1080p input). Personally I'm not going to try Cyberpunk 2077 with PT until I have a 4090 tier GPU

is there any functional difference between game ready and studio drivers for nvidia cards?
while i do play games, i value stability over max performance and will take a hit at the latter if it means keeping the former

>>102267548
Not sure man, my 4070Super in The Last Descendant struggled pretty hard with hardware lumen. Even though I agree with you that DLSS is superior I'm not a fan of using anything below DLSS quality at 1440p or 4K performance mode. It's a $600 card I don't expect it to max out everything but upscaling from below 1080p is crazy to achieve that. I think Fortnite is a good example of the best optimization that UE5 can have and with HW lumen is struggles to stay above 60 100% of the time and that game is made by UE5 devs so we have to assume random game companies using UE5 with Lumen won't do optimize it nearly as well.

>>102267193
Runs better than Cyberpunk, worse than Tsushima. Seems like a win for card from 1793

yeah bro if you're on a 1050ti you should spend $1000 on a 4080 super or you wont be able to game

>>102267651
He'll be free for the next 5 years at least.

>>102267204
Went from my lappy/desktop with a 1050ti to a 79xtx
i say go for it get the pulse make it anything you get has the 3x8 pin pcie the 2x one is poo

>pick up 4090 from store
>no plastic wrap on the box
>no seal on the black box inside
>cables still packaged
>GPU anti-static bag has "GIGABYTE QUALIFIED" stickers on it
>Smell like new GPU (plastic smell)
>PCB looks normal based on comparisons with the same card online
Am I being paranoid? Gonna test it tomorrow night. Anyone else with the same experience?

>>102267714
accidentally bought unboxed?

>>102267656
im fine with playing on low settings (i was using a 1050ti after all)
this will last me 5+ years easily
not sure why the other anon was so annoyed. he was so cheap he couldnt even spare a free (You)... sad

>>102267726
It was sold as new. Maybe I'm just extremely autistic, but some things didn't pass my initial smell test.

>>102267714
I've bought 2 gigabyte 4090s and neither were plastic wrapped
The only seal iirc was on the anti static bag holding the gpu

>>102267727
>im fine with playing on low settings
1070 here. We might be soon reaching the point where the Pascal gets kneecapped. Not sure how 1080Ti is holding up

>>102267714
most boxes wont come with any sort of plastic wrap, just a thin cardboard shell for advertising
the inner boxes barely ever have a seal, just the outer shell
the anti-static bag shouldve been sealed though

>>102267747
id still be using the 1050ti if it didnt die last week
pc is too old to even bother upgrading so here i am now with a new pc

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>>102267748
Ok, this makes me feel a whole lot better. Mine was a "GIGABYTE - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB." Everything inside the black container was sealed. Thanks for alleviating my paranoia bros.

>>102267727
bro, a 4080 super will last you a decade on low settings.
get a 3060ti

>>102267787
3060Ti is a medium settings 1080p GPU, wouldn't last another 5 years. Basically a 1080Ti with tensor-cores.

Seeking to change my 3060ti thermal pads, apparently it uses ~1,75/2mm on vram and 3mm on the rest.

Can i just buy a 1,75mm for vram and stack 2x1,75 for the rest and squish them?

>>102267787
i already bought it

>>102267853
if youre going to the effort of dismantling the card to replace thermal pads, why do it half assed?

>>102267853
i wouldnt take any risks like that even on a 10 series

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>vandalized OP again

>>102267610
>my 4070Super in The Last Descendant struggled pretty hard with hardware lumen
It doesn't seem that bad
https://youtu.be/T5WGc2svUjU?si=m4FL-moIHtkfsXPx&t=519
If you're someone who wants more than 60 FPS I can see why you might think that (or maybe there are more demanding sections of the game)

>random game companies using UE5 with Lumen won't optimize it nearly as well
The perf of most UE5 games has been pretty similar (Wukong exposed the Cinematic preset that most games don't). I imagine most of the optimization for Lumen and Nanite is under the hood, in the engine

>>102268080
>https://youtu.be/T5WGc2svUjU?si=m4FL-moIHtkfsXPx&t=519 [
Yeah he runs around the first area of the game. Boss fights and areas with tons of enemies rushing you are common and drop below 60 more than not. You are probably right though, most optimizations for that are under the hood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VjYFdHMC3A
went back to aircooling wc for 100-200w cpus and 500w gpus is a meme

>>102267363
>if you can afford an XTX you can afford a 4080
4080 is 50% more here might as well buy a 4090