>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUWeb browsing: 5600GBudget: 12400F, 7600XGaming: 7800X3DWorkstation: 7900XAVOID: Intel 13/14 series>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III, Hyte THICC Q60Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB>SSD (OS drive)Budget: SN580Mid range: SN770Premium: Samsung 990 ProFlagship: Sabrent Rocket 5 >GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT1440p: RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XT4K: RTX 4090, RX 7900 XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series, AVOID: AMD cards>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITOR1080p: KOORUI 24E3, MSI G2412F, MSI MAG 256F, MSI G244PF E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansHigh end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)Previous:
I want to purchase a black solid front 4000D and have it painted satin beige.
Why is AMD better for gaming?
Anons are there benefits in vertical mounting? Have a Lian LI Dan 3. Also are all mounting kits compatible for any case?
>>102396190is this lancool 216?
>>102396274>Anons are there benefits in vertical mounting?No.
>haven't got a new motherboard in years>browse for a new one>they all look like clones of the one I had >same design>same component locations>identical heat sinksWhat happened?Have you reached design perfection in motherboard layouts?
>>102396365They reached the optimum gaymur design and with old school OCing being dead (plus cheap vrm components being more than enough in 99% of cases) motherboards have sort of hit a wall. Even more so on the AMD side of things where every mobo is specced to handle the *950x chip.
>>102396190I think I'm finally losing my Intel/Nvidia bias after a decade. Probably going to swap out my 14700K with a 7800X3D soon. Tired of it making my room bake and worrying about it degrading while I regularly see it draw 1.49v. If the $600 tier card from Nvidia has 12GB of VRAM again I will go 8000 series AMD. Shit is too expensive too be artificially gimped while the other team is handing out 16GB for $400
>>102396365they've been the same for 24 years dude they just covered everything with plastic and garbage
>>102396446Nobody needs more than 6gb lol
>>102396514the more things change the more they stay the same.
>>102396514>mfw as of tonight I will have 32GB RAM just because it was cheap
>>102396365Dull, isn't it?>>102396386This. Also with the expectation now that motherboards have to last several generations on the same socket, there's little room for experimentation. I think the advent of M.2 slots taking up huge acres of the PCB area leaves much less physical space for cool and interesting features. We went through a phase started by ASUS with the original TUF boards of covering the entire PCB and all open slots with layers of plastic I guess for aesthetics and to keep dust out but also acted as an insulator. Now, the next fad is rear-facing connectors which I don't really get since the socket itself (and likely GPU slot) isn't gonna move. Personally, I just miss when most mobos had more than x4 SATA ports and came with a POST Debug LED readout on boards less for than $300.
>>102396545>for cool and interesting features.aka garbage only 2,5 people need
>>102396545it costs like $1000 for a second onboard ethernet port on a motherboard now it's fucking outrageous
>>102396365>no expansion slots>design perfectionNo.
>>102396556Anon don't make me shoot you with my southbridge heatsink
>$650 Ultra 9 285K>$300 Z890 motherboard>$350 8400 CL40 kit>7800X3D is still faster>9800X3D releases for $450 and can be dropped into a $70 motherboard with a $90 6000 CL30 kit
>>102396545I am glad that it is a tested design for years and years and they last because of it. The one I will replace is from 2016, Ultra Durable and it still a fine mobo for 2024 needs in USBs, plenty SSD inputs etc.
RTX 5090 fucking when
why dont they do ssds positioned like ramyou know, vertically and have more connectionsyou could then place nvme sized ssds for the space the ram usually takes, and since theres more physical connections you could up the speeds to like 30gb/s
I think I finally sorted my build, anything overkill I should change?Was going to get a 7800x3d but saw a deal for the 7900x3d that was in my budget, will that cause any issues?
>>102396663because where would you put your 4 slot GPU?
>>102396665yesavoid 7900x3d like the plagueyou either go 7800 or 7950
>>102396663You have to consider how electrically noisy having such connections close to each other.
>>102396635but intel has fabs and mossad has blackmail and taiwan scorched earth policy is reality
>>102396665change board for B650 mATXchange CPU to 7800X3D back, you want pure 8 cores
>>102396680if it works for ram, I dont get whats the difference between the signals would be between ssd and ram
>>102396365ATX is bloated.mini-ITX is the way.
>>102396695it doesn't work for ram, that's why CAMM is going to become the standard for DDR6
Which 4090 model seems like the best choice as far as longevity/relisbility goes? I am paranoid about GPUs getting artifacts, coil whine, VRM issues, and so on these days.
>>102396695it works for RAM because CPU is to the left, lanes are separated far enough, lanes go from different ends of the slots
SFF fags kys
>>102396365>PerfectionIts perfection in padding their margins
>>102396698shame faggots are asking 250-300 dollarinos for a smaller board with less features
>>102396703>believing this shitThey just want you to swap entire platform for the Xth time, anon
>>102396707>as far as longevity/relisbility goes?none of them, 4090 is for rich whales, you practically do not need that much performance in duration of single generation, it is better to buy cards under $1000 long money wise
>>102396707FE if you can get itFEs don't abuse the core to eek out that worthless 1% uplift, Nvidia also actually puts effort into getting rid of coil whine.
is the MSI MAG 274QRF QD E2 a good monitor?
>>102396663>why dont they do ssds positioned like ramI've asked myself the same question. Vertical slots are just much more space efficient than horizontal mounts especially since the overall ATX form factor's dimensions aren't changing anytime soon. Frankly, the push for CAMM2 memory mounted in the same way also seems like a step in the wrong direction. But then again, I don't see why we couldn't just have 2.5 if not 3.5" SSDs over SATA as that form-factor should provide for much larger capacities of consumer SSDs for less money because OEMs wouldn't always have to resort the most expensive densest NAND chips just to be able to fit them on PCBs the size of a stick of chewing gum clam-shell style.
>>102396635Exactly. 3d vcache is such a godsend that I don't know why people still bother with i9s
>>102396730you're already going to have to swap platform for DDR6, anyone who buys a CAMM motherboard for DDR5 is a rube.
>>102396751CAMM is nice for cooling, air won't be dragged around like with upright modules
>>102396733>4090 is for rich whalesI could tell, considering the 4090 is like $3000 for some fucking reason here for the non-shit tier models.>is better to buy cards under $1000 long money wiseOf which none are really a worthwhile upgrade from the 3070 I paid 700$ for yet.
>>102396738>FEs don't abuse the core to eek out that worthless 1% uplift,Can't you just get something like the Suprim X or the Niggabyte Gaming OC and set them to default spec? I heard the ANUS cards had bad coil whine issues.
>>102396740for $250 you can get ASRock Phantom Gaming PG27QFT2Athis one is top tier for the money, worth every dollar.
PS2 Emotion Engine and PS3 CELL were nightmares for programmers. the only people who actually got to use it to its full potential were Naughty Dog. People also forget that the reason Sony was so insistent on pushing their custom in the PS2 and PS3 was because they had plans to license out the Emotion Engine and Cell technology for other uses beyond video game consoles.Kutaragi wanted the PS3 to ship with 1 cell as a cpu and 1 cell as a gpu. Mark Cerny is fucking insane for STILL having only himself know exactly how the PS3 worked and never sharing it with anyone aside from those secret CELL developers at Sony.They were either falling behind in development, or realized that this was utter fucking stupidity, so they went plan B and asked Nvidia to give PS3's GeForce 7800 was also kind of old, being a pre-unified shaders design that was absolutely obsoleted within a year of the console's release by the 8800, bolted it on, and shipped it.Mark Cerny wanted PS4 and PS5 to be AMD APUs because it was cheapest and easiest for programmers. any optimizations done for PS4 will just help PC get further ahead>He points to an amusing video by Linus Tech Tips, which attempted to 'kill' the PlayStation 5 by building a $500 gaming PC that outperformed the console.>"They had to get a used motherboard," he says. "That was the only way that they could build a PlayStation 5 equivalent for a PlayStation 5 price. And if you're using used parts… well you can get a used PlayStation 5 for eBay for $300-something.FX-8350 @2GHz, a HD 7850 and a 5000 RPM hard drive are roughly equivalent to a PS4.Ryzen 7 3700X and an RX5700 which are roughly equivalent to a PS5.>TLDRps2 emotion engine and ps3 cell are japanese soul ps4 and ps5 are basically budget AMD PCs
I don't know if I can last until the 9800X3D bros, is the generation after 9000 series still going to be on AM5?
>>102396782it's worth it to skip one gen if you do not suffer from lack of performance directly yet.
>>102396663>>102396744>>102396762Moving to a registered/buffered scheme for DIMMs makes CAMM redundant, which JEDEC is already doing proposing something similar with MRDIMMs
>>102396814>ps3 cell are japanese soulit's RISK-V, retard.
>>102396815
>>102396815yes they always do 3 gens on each platform
>>102396814>FX-8350 @2GHz, >roughly equivalent to a PS4.Not a chance - the jaguar cores have significantly higher IPC than vishera does, even with the lack of L3 but were never clocked anywhere near as high because lmao 200w vishera.
>>102396801>>102396740Why can't monitors have normal names? I'd take edgy gayming naming scheme over whatever this is.
What's the anon certified™ consensus on the Intel Arc A770? All models taken into consideration too.>stability>performance>overclocking>undervolting>gaming>editing>browsing>etc.
>copped 4090 expecting to get 6-10 years out of the based behemoth >already considering selling for 5090 when releasewhat's wrong me with anons?
>>102396829they are dropping AGESA in 2026, and promising one year cadence, how will old AGESA boards will work with new CPU, can it be updated?
>>102396840even when samsung has odyssey line with decent naming it becomes confusing with new gens and overlapping naming schemes that arent descriptive
>>102396676Thanks for the heads up>>102396687Would a b650 X AX be more appropriate?
>>102396844>>stabilityfine>>performancemeh>>overclockingwho cares>>undervoltingit barely got any voltage>>gamingshifty, some gaems work others don't>>editingmeh>>browsinganything is fine for browsing.all in all decent cards if you know exactly what you are getting it for.
>>102396814>PS5>R7 3700x and RX5700Haven't ran the numbers but this doesn't feel right. Are you accounting for temperature and power limits?
>>102396845>what's wrong me with anons?too much money, invest retard.
>>102396801i did see that but i read a review that said it didnt have "srgb" so it wasnt worth buying, althought desu i dont even know what srgb is or if i even need it, i just dont want to buy something that turns out to be bad
>>102396883https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asrock-phantom-gaming-pg27qft2ahere, read a proper review.
>>102396829>>102396851What's the verdict on AM5 so far?
>>102396857>Would a b650 X AXany B650 around $160-190 will do. I personally have B650 Mortar, really happy with it, I got it cheaper than current price though.
>>102396909the ram training/boot times seems to be the big issuethen again with am4 your fucking usb devices didnt work properly so its less bad
>>102396909it works, better than AM4>>102396926at least it boots unlike zen1/2
>>102396851AM6 is probably going to be out in 2027, Zen6 is still going to be AGESA but also openSil which is the new thing which is mostly being implemented for security reasons will be integrated.
>>102396727You don't need Z790\X670 when using i5 or R7.Also try to look elsevere beside ASUS\GIGA\MSI.>MFW bought Maxsun Terminator B760 mini-ITX mobo for ~115 USD
>>102396878have 120k in stocks and/or cash earning 5%, another 25k in a roth ira, 75-100k or so in 401k, and i save 3k+monthly after all expensesI really should buy a house but i'm a cheap fuck and don't want to pay (((them))) an extra 800 a month in interest on a mortgage with the current rates
>>102396814There he is.There he goes again.Look everyone, he posted it once again!
>>102396941
>>102396974I come from saving culture, nobody likes to take loans here, how long would it take you to buy a house or apartment with cash there?
>>102396795I don't believe any AIB card to be built worth a shit truthfully, they have no real incentive given they really don't honer warranties most of the time anyway.But that's my sczhio beliefs based on a single piece of data so take that as you will.
>>102397049>how long would it take you to buy a house or apartment with cash there?homes are $200-$300+/sq ft here which is insane to me but nothing crazy like CA pricesi just cant stomach paying 400k for a 3 bed 2 bath 1400 sq ft house without a basement on a tiny lot when i grew up on 10+ acres in a house my grandpa built
How do you even buy the Nvidia reference models these days anyway? They always point to retailers on their website where I live.
>>102397130>3 bed 2 bath 1400 sq ftthat's ideal, especially if it doesn't have stairs. think about when you get to 60+can't comment on a price, I can build 200m2 fully concrete one story house here with 1000m2 land plot on half of that here
>>102397195means you can't. after finding out about PTM I seriously do not want to buy any AIBs too.
>>102397069The beginning of wisdom. Everything is built to cost.
Day 528 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>102397195If you mean the FE, they're always a limited run and they sell out quick. If you want one for personal reasons then you'll have to buy used or wait for next gen and be fast on the button.Nvidia doesn't, AFAIK, market their "true" reference cards any more. A lot of the MSRP model AIB cards do use the reference PCB though. IMO best to avoid them unless you're on a tight budget or need the standard layout for watercooling.
>>102397253rdna4 is here but not in the way you expect
>>102397211It's always been that way but the difference is you didn't have $1500+ GPUs so often.At that point you want some guarantee of reliability.
Just had another brownout.Fuck this. I'm going to buy a UPS. Just gonna buy some CyberPower one.
how fucked are we?
>>102397047Buy ASRock A620I with 7800x3d and 6000DDR5 kit.Saved money invest in more powerful GPU.And you ready to go.
>>102397346Just make sure it's a PURE Sine Wave model, not a SIMULATED Sine Wave one.
>>102397373>buy a620lollmao
>>102396363Really? I thought Id get more air intake if i had a perforated side panel. Anyways thanks anon
>>102397382https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/ups/pfc-sinewave/cp1500pfclcd/#/Well, it says sine wave. Their other models says simulated sine wave. So I'm assuming this one is a pure sine wave.
>>10239735932gb 509016gb 508012gb 50708gb 50608gb 5050
>>102397359they are going all in with 5090, 500w probably realI don't know, will halo work again this gen when the mainline 4070 and 4080 this mediocre?
>>102397253>Day 528 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.Already know the direction you're going? Spend your savings on that 5090 or hoping Nvidia gives us 12gb on a 'budget frenly' 5060?
>>102397447Oh, it's a simulated sine wave. Meh, I don't care enough at this point.
>>102397451>800€ for a 12GB card in 2025
>>102396365lol lmao even.Mobos in the last years lost human rights features that were considered the most basic shit industry standard ever and you MIGHT just find them in $800 ultra end premium board, shit like POST debug leds
>>102397444A side intake fans helps full stop. What you are missing is heatsinks are designed to be horizontal so vertical mounting can impact the condensing ability by reducing the surface area as in a vertical mounting the "top" of the heatsink is now much smaller.
>>102396545yeah I used to have a little red light for that and I could press a button near it to reset it, now i have the 2 pin jumper thing again.>>102396676uh oh.uhh they were out of 7800 when i placed an order the other day and so i just ordered 7900x3d. is it really bad in some ways or is it just you could get more bang for your buck with 7950?
>>102397490new memory, prease undestand.
>>102397470No that actually IS one of their pure sine wave models and it's literally the same model I've been using for the past two years without issues and can vouch for. Make sure you let it charge from the wall for 24 hours after arriving in case the battery is low and then cut power the PC with it connected (either by yanking the wall connection, flipping the PSU ON/OFF switch at the rear of the case, or flipping the circuit breaker to the entire room) to test that it's working properly.
>>102397490you're going to have to wait for 3gb density on the 6060
>>102397490stop kvetching and be grateful for the +25% perf improvement nvidia provides goy
>>102397520>there are still consumer boards with 4 ram slots instead of cramming useful shit that costs 3 cents there>>102397531when it released it was performing worse than the 7800x3drefund it and either fork out for 7950x3d if you need it for productivity or down(up)grade to 7800x3d asap
>>102396635meanwhile
>>102396556What's the rationale about caring about needs when 99% of people here are building luxury devices?
>>102397594>>there are still consumer boards with 4 ram slots Not really, ultra premium board that cost $800 don't have 4 slots :)
>>102397592sir did you mean to say -5%
>>102397617basically every full atx board still has 4 slots for no reason
After testing shit out, one fan at the bottom center of the case on the Lancool 216 is getting me better GPU temperaturesAdding two is actually worse, it's the same as adding noneUsing the bottom rear fan only is worse as wellAfter adding the bottom center fan, adding a fan on top does fuck all
>>102397602Intel current CEOs are like AMD 2007-2010 CEOs. But US Gov will bail out Intel no matter what, they can do whatever.
>>102397630yes goybe grateful for the improved supply of gpu enabled by the 100mm2 gpu die
>>102397490That's why I'm really pulling for Intel, hope they can disrupt this bullshit.
>>102397406>Support R7x3D>Support memOC>Support PCIe 4.0 for GPU and M.2>etc.Just the right amount of features, but considering your vocabulary you won't understand that
>>102397572Wrong. It's not a perfect sine wave. It's very damn close though.
>>102397657that applies to every single am5 board out thereliterally the bare minimum>a620
>>102397655>not AMD
what's the worst you've ever seen someone fuck up a build?
>>102397690LMAO!!!!!
>>102397695770 4gb in 2014
>>102397695I bought a Gainward, one fan, 560ti. It nearly died from heat a few times.>>102397709also me but the end of 2014, fuck nvidia, I have only bad things to saygtx 4mx fuck you nvidiaATI x800xt my best gaming years.560ti meh770 good 4 months, then they killed it, fuck you nvidia390? adored the card, best sapphire I ever owned1070 after? good 6 months then it gone to shit, fuck you nvidia5700xt, only good thigns to say I ahd no issues, no black screens performed like a champ at 1440p for 4 years7900XT now, I like it, the only two games I had to use FSR for is tw3 and 2077 RT, but I own it only for 1.5 years, will see
>>102397335Yea, I'm not paying for anything from Sony.>>102397462What? Ideally AMD comes out and does their job - if not, I'll be waiting for RDNA5. Either way, next-gen GPUs will have come out, and I can finally stop keeping count.
Why are the OP's so different from each other? How can one person consider the 7600X to be budget while another one claims it's the recommended CPU for gaming? I don't even care about who's right or wrong, I want to understand why are the so many discrepancies with hardware in general to the point where benchmarks with the same specs output completely different results.
>>102397527Oh, that makes sense now, thanks anon
>>102397634People want to upgrade RAM down the line without replacing what's already in there.It doesn't hurt to have all slots even if the XMP autist is only using two.It's part of what makes DIY PCs good as they are so flexible still. People don't realize that's the entire point of DIY and for some reason newer builders want to make DIY PCs about assembling their fixed function games console with all the "unneeded" things trimmed out.
>>1023978187800x3d exist, so any non-x3d cpu is "budget" because otherwise you'd buy the x3d version for gaming at least.You can write what you want in the OP.> where benchmarks with the same specs output completely different results.Im not sure where you're getting this from.
>>102397916>without replacing what's already therepeople actually mix and match ram kits? and they use the cucked slots too?thats just asking for trouble
>>102397916If you are using DDR5 the mobo literally can't support all 4 slots occupied without shitting itsellf XMP/EXPO doesn't matter too
>>102397938It works, just not at speed.XMP/EXPO speed autism still seems to be a minority and is why there are still 4 slots
>>102397988>It works, just not at speed.T-Topology master race. I can actually OC my ram by 400mhz (keeping the primary timings) on a mobo from 2017 using miss-matched kits (two 2x8gb) and it is rock solid.
Are the X3Ds actually that good? Or is it just loyal AMDrones using 15 years of shit CPUs as a baseline? t. looking to upgrade to something high end from 10600k
>>102397988>XMP/EXPO speed autism still seems to be a minorityEvery single zoomer normie friendly "techtuber" teach retards that one of the first thing they should do when getting a PC is turning XMP or EXPO on in the bios, some prebuilts are shipped with it on by default, the minority is people actually making their own profiles
>>102398015t-topo is pretty gud. i ran 4000cl15 on a 9900k for ages without issue
>>102397680>ANUS Strix x670E with external audio dock station, GIGA Aorus with 3 M2 SSD's on add-on card and other shit with bells and whistles>Don't forgot about PCIe 5.0 when even 4090 is PCIe 4.0 cardYou basically need 1 PCIe 4.0 slot for Video, 1-2 M.2 for SSD and some USB for keyboard\mouse\other shit you need.For R7x3D anything more than A620 is pointless.
>>102398029the single ccx ones like the 5800x3d and 7800x3d are actually really good, coming from a person who historically used multiple intel i7 and i9s (3930k, 9900k, 12900k, 13900k)i wont go back to intel until they're much faster than the 3d cpus and/or provide similar perf without the insane power draw of 13th/14th gen
>>102398056if you are buying anything but a b650 you are a retard but buying itx in current year is also pretty retarded so there is that
>>102398033Techtoobers live in their own fictional worldWhat's the most popular 40 series desktop GPU on Steam and what did some techtubers have to say about what card?What's the next most popular 40 series desktop card? And what did they say about that card?
Is there any way to get equalization for your speakers in Windows? The bass on my T6300's is giving me a headache. Onboard audio chip is the Realtek ALC892.
>>102398115>normalfags who spend their money on stupid shit and turn steam ststs on are using stupid shitif they had more money or brain the picture would be different
>>102398132check the back of the subwoofer
am currently on a 10700K with a 3070 and 32GB of decently timed DDR4-3200got a free 12700 non-K, is it worth trying to jump two generations onto a DDR4 board or just flip it?
>>102398161It's not an issue with the subwoofer, it's already turned it down as much as I can. I know there used to be a Realtek Audio Manaegr program but the links for the download are seemingly dead everywhere.
>>102398169flip it. ddr5 provides a huge performance uplift so that plan doesnt make sense
>>102398079x3D on b650 is dumb - no CPU OC coz 3D cache. And you don't need super-duper VRM for x3D.>buying itx in current year is also pretty retarded so there is thatNot retarded, just annoying
>>102398132Equalizer APO w/ Peace
How much should I ask for an old desktop (i5 4440, GTX970, 250gb SSD, 1TB HDD, 16gb RAM) Win10. Plus Monitor 1080p 60hz?Or is this just e-waste by now?
>>102398225$300
>>102398225$30
>>102398141It's hard to blame consumers buying into what they have always bought in to.It should be a fucking wake up call that price does infact matter and this constant screaming to get people to buy more and more upmarket doesn't work.IDK why they want to dissuade people from getting into PC gaming because they otherwise can't afford a 4070, even if they aren't meaning to do so.
>new parts arrive early>have the parts open on the floor>bored to sit down for an hour and install themWhat's wrong with me?
>>102398132Here is the perfect recipe, EQ APO+ REW+ECM8000 or UMIK-1. Measure and EQ to flat.
>>102398169Sound like a solid plan.Just don't go for Z690/790 mobos coz you got locked CPU>>102398184Even with DDR4 he will see good uplift thanks to new CPU
>>102398169New i7 12700s start at $185 so you could probably get $150 for it.https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=12700OTOH a good B660 DDR4 board can be had for as low as $95:https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TZPQzy/asrock-b660m-pro-rs-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-pro-rsAnd the jump in IPC from Rocket Lake to Alder Lake was really good. If it were me, I'd get a cheap board to use with the 12700 and your 32GB of DDR4 RAM and then flip the 10700K and it's board (or hold onto them as emergency parts or use to build a secondary system).
>>102398258>uplift>cpulol
https://slickdeals.net/f/17755647Is this unbeatable for the price right now?For non-link-clickers, lenovo's selling an i5-14400F + 4060 + 16gb ddr5 + 512gb ssd for $775
>>102398184yeah just looked at some benchmark comparisons of more modern titles, I'd be giving up like 20-25% performance of the 12700+DDR4 vs 12700+DDR5 and if I plan to buy a new motherboard and RAM might as well just go for a 7800X3D build
>>102398258>>102398261well shit that might be more appealing then if I can just get a B660 board on the cheap
Does anyone here have a Dell G2724D? If so have you had any issues?I'm seeing a lot of comments under reviews saying Dell does a "lottery system" and ships it with different panels than the one advertised each with different problems. Some say the contrast is 800:1, 200 nits at full brightness, yellowish tint, or that there's a ton of backlight bleed. Kinda hesitant on pulling the trigger for this monitor now.
>>102398225theres really cheap subsidized pc like thingies like xbox series S and steamdeck that tend to be better option for either playing games, or as a backup pcits not worthless for someone without a pc, but its kinda limited
>12gb RX8600 for $199, 6700XT tier>12gb RX8700 for $299, 6800/7700XT tier>16gb RX8800 for $399, 6900XT/7800XT tier>16gb RX8800XT for $499, 7900XT tier
>>102398373>16gb RX8800XT for $499, 7900XT tierIt will be $749 and everyone will be disappointed
>>102398205I will look into this.
>>102398384>$500 in 6 months after 5070 releases
>>102398384Not this timehttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-deprioritizing-flagship-gaming-gpus-jack-hyunh-talks-new-strategy-for-gaming-market
>>102398373>>16gb RX8800 for $399, 6900XT/7800XT tierneeds to be 7900XT tob e worth it over 7800xt>>16gb RX8800XT for $499, 7900XT tierneeds to be at least 20% faster than 7900XTX to compete with 5070
>>102398454you broke your post retard
>>102398440Forgot image
Are there any 10GbE NICs that work in a PCI-E 4.0 x1 slot?
>>102398440My nigga I want to believe but there is no way the 500 meme is real unless they want to subsidize it with their desktop and server profits.
>>102398440he talked about increasing marketing efforts, can't wait for cringe
>>102398454What delusion are you under that the 5070 is going to be faster than the 4090
How much of a difference does RAM speed make? Would changing from 2133Mhz to 2666Mhz be noticeable in some way?
>>102398506Is that DDR3? Not much really. Save for upgrade.
>>1023984807800xt with 60CUs is only 350mm2, it's not expensive>>102398501where did I mention 4090? it is going to be faster than 7900XT, I'm 80% sure.same performance for AMD means death of another generation, they need same perf at lwoer price or significantly faster cards at same price to win even few percent of the market.
>>102398527>needs to be at least 20% faster than 7900XTX to compete with 507020% faster than the 7900XTX is 4090 tier, the 5080 will be lucky to be 4090 tier
>>102398373aibs need to make money too4080 super tier for $650 is not reasonable from sapphire or powercolor
>>102398550we need a fascist government that forces nvidia to make gpus for free for the good of gamers
>>102398562This but they will be mandatorily connected to your neuralink chip to re-render reality without Harmful Content.
>>1023985494070 is 3090 tier. unless nvidia nerfs xx70s it will be 4090 tier.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ys8j34I need this to be $600. A nigga just wants to game on 1080p ffs
>>102398592>4070 is 3090 tier
>>1023985924070 is 3080 tier
>>102398562or just imagine a world where cuda was open source. you no longer get sued by nvidia for using zluda. amd gpus and intel gpus can run the same nvidia proprietary shit.
>>102398605Go down to AM4 retard.
>>102398636Then why the FUCK is the recommended budget gear not AM4?
>>102398675Because OP is made by one of two shills. AM5 with 4060 is retarded.
>>102398619AMD had the option to adopt CUDA.They rejected it lol
>>102398605>game on 1080pwhy are you buying a 4060Ti 16GB of all thingsgo buy a used 3060 or something
>>102398707>buy 5 year old cards brofuck off
>>102398716My nigga you can game 1080p on a fucking 1080Ti
>>102398693it's closed source and they would be beholden to nvidia, rejecting it was the smart option
>>102398693They were given no option at allNvidia sues anyone tries to bypass their cuda lockIf they can't sue then they literally bully them into submission by not shipping them units.
>>102398132feels weird that i have ez onboard graphic eq in my car for bass/treble/etc but windows doesn't have this feature oob
>>102398739>>102398737Why has AMD filed a complaint with the FTC about the uncompetitive nature of Nvidia's software ecosystem? It's not like ROCm will ever be given the time of day by developers on account of the monopolistic control Nvidia wields over the market?
>>102398636>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ys8j34a new AM4 system in 2024 is retarded>>102398605spedn more money. $600 is nothing. a kid working part-time at walmart takes home $1,000 per month.
Nvidia bought phsyx and made it no longer need a separate card and AMD couldn't be bothered to pay 10c to license it per card but Nvidia is made to be the bad guy in that situation
PS5 Pro is 700, you gotta atleast outspend a PS5
>>102398853plus stand, plus PSN fee
>>102398881you dont need ps plus if you play SP gamesbut budget PCs died a long ago
>western techtubers complaining about the 4090 being $1700-$2000>meanwhile in ureop and other parts of the world it's closer to $3000>despite being a 2 year old GPU by now>out of stock in most other major retailers>the absolute price floor for the absolute dogshit tier models way worse than the FE is like $2000-$2300 if you're luckywhy is nobody talking about how insane this is shit costs more than quadro and titan GPUs didit's around 8x the cost of a current-gen x60 class card at msrp this generation
>>102398716>I'm poor>but I want to spend money like I'm notpost hand
>>102398903its a luxury productyou wouldnt care about women complaining that their latest Chanel bag costs $3000 to buy either, would you?
>>102398903Because it's mostly standard affair for shit outside the US>Most Euros and Aussies can't afford a 4090>those who can don't even look at price tags>shops take advantage of that.People complain that the US has a wealth disparity but it honestly seems worse in other countries.
>>102398934>comparing high technology electronics computer parts from the stinky gamer branding product segment to a woman's handbag
>>102397346Okay, I bought it.The cord is too short. Gotta find a way to plug my shit in it or move stuff in my room.
>>102398979>he's going to plug it into a surge protector and defeat the whole point
>>102398903No reason to buy the expensive memeversions for a 20Mhz extra on the core
>>102398903If it were just PC parts that pay the Europoor Premium, it would be one thing. The fact that every piece of tech is overpriced points to a systematic problem with the EU economic model...and not price gouging by Nvidia. Look deeper into how that $3000 breaks down. Retail costs, labor, taxes at all steps along the production and delivery line, etc.
>>102399000Wrong. I'm going to plug it into the wall. And then plug in my surge protector. And then plug in my stuff in the surge protector.
>>102399000Additional surge protection only helps.
>>1023989034090 is a pretty stupid GPU in general. not good for professional work, and not good value for video games. it's a genuine halo product. a 4080s or 7900xtx is far superior value.
>>102399006You don't buy partner models for overclocks. You buy them for better board quality, components, thermals, acoustics, and the reliability that they should grant.
>>1023990284080 was literally priced so poorly that it funneled people into buying 4090
>>102399028That's some serious poverty cope there, friend.
>>102398903LOL JUST DON'T BE POOR>posted from my iphone
>>102399028>not good for professional workhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAi5SdyOeSo>not good value for video gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBMEwunuEUII hate the 4090 pricing as much as anyone else but the 4090 commands the best for a premium, and then multiplied by 2x because retailers also want that massive margin NVIDIA makes
>minecraft
>>102399057I could buy one of these motherfuckers right now even at $3000 multiple times, but would that be a sane financial purchase? Fuck no.>iPhoneLmao, is that supposed to be impressive? People usually have 3 of those on hand with an assortment of Macintosh computers to go with it.
>>102399030>and the reliability that they should grant.Should being the key wordAlso almost nothing is worth the price premium nowadays. Not like 10 years ago where $50 got you from a blower to an actually nice cooler. Now its hundreds for for some extra heatsink and a few more phases.
>>102399078>anime
>>102399006>>102399086There is a measurable difference between the 4090 modelsThe FE is a baseline as always since Amperehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4A12gQTHwShit like the Suprim X and Strix are examples of the only measurable improvements over the FE model (even though the board is still often the same)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYHeetEZcSg
>>102399019>he doesn't get that it doesn't matter which one goes firstthe ups is a surge protectordo not chain surge protectorsuse a power strip with no surge protection
>>102399086It's all relative when you factor how much discretionary income someone has. You might have a lower income, but don't blow your money on eating out, brand new phones every year, or a new car every 3 years. If you've been banking your cash like an adult, maybe popping for a 4090 isn't a huge deal. If you're stupid with your money, you're probably in serious credit card debt and have shit for savings. You shouldn't be upgrading in the first place.
Why aren't GPUs socketed like CPUs? Ripped pads seem like such a common issue for their reliability.
>>102399137lolokaynerd
>>102399042yeah i know, but now it's alright relative to the other options.>>102399043if you're rich then it obviously doesn't matter, but compared to a 4080s, you're paying 60% more for like 20% higher fps.current lowest prices on pcpp and some 1440p 1% low numbers from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/36.html4090: $1760, 137.4fps4080: $950, 114.6fps7900xtx: $900, 119.5fps$860, or 2x more money for 18 more fps or 15% more for literally 100% more money. really stupid. that's money you could spend on an OLED or something.
>>102399160Kinda depends upon your use case, wouldn't you agree? Set aside the gaemers, if you need the horsepower for productivity...such as rendering or AI denoising functions, that boost in performance between a 2nd-tier and a 4090 can directly relate to your bottom line. It's not a matter of being rich, it's having the best tools to do your job.
>>102399160>compared to a 4080s, you're paying 60% more for like 20% higher fpsCompared to a x60 card, you're paying over 800% more for maybe 280% higher relative performance if you're lucky. Might also not factor in the cost of a new or additional PSU to power this one component.
>>102399159nerds built your computer retard
>>102399133>measurable improvements over the FE modelWhich don't justify the crazy markup.
>>102399204>Which don't justify the crazy markup.Doubly so that despite the fancy looking shroud they put on, it's still the same basic bitch 4090 PCB on with maybe the same or more VRMs than the reference model and a manual voltage controller.
>>102399190i guess but doesn't a lot of enterprise/pro software only have drivers for the enterprise GPUs? like AEC software like Autodesk suite doesn't have drivers for a 4090. it's for the A6000 or whatever. professionals aren't using consumer GPUs for real work.
>>102398903You can get a new 3090Ti for sub-5000PLN if you're patient.Or a used one for half that, and they are overbuilt to fuck and gucci-binned so they'll be fine even if they were mining (unlike 3080/3090 non-Ti).
>>102399259At this rate if people were saying not to buy half a year ago, it might just be better to wait through October and see if any announcements come out. Assuming of course it won't be another 3-4 months if GDDR7 mass production begins only in January next year. >and they are overbuilt to fuckAs far as I remember they are all ticking time bombs barely able to keep themselves from exploding unless the current design features of the 4090's are carried over the 3090 Ti's.
>>102398903>EVGA RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 was only $2200 wtf
>>102399190https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/35.htmlthere's not much difference desu. if you're a business, you're not fucking around with consumer GPUs.
>>102399277>all ticking time bombs3090s were, due to retarded power section design and half the memory being on the backside of the card and completely uncooled.3090Ti is a different PCB altogether and has none of the 3090s issues.
If the 4090's are indeed retailing from $2200-$3000 in most of the world, suddenly the street pricing of the 5090 being around $3000 makes a whole lot of sense. Personally if they don't do another $100 bump, they will probably sell around close to that if not $2000 to $2500 which means that street price will usually be double of that again.
>>102399215Adobe products, such as their video and photo editing software will directly leverage the tensor cores in a GPU. Some functions that take 10 minutes on some fruit-based Pro laptop take less than 10 seconds on a 4090.
>>102399259the shittest binned ada chip is leagues ahead of a golden sample ga102 chip made from trash samsung 8nm
>>102399293Not every business runs from a 3 million square foot industrial complex. See:>>102399423
>>1023992773090ti PCBs are identical to the 4090sSo much so that a modder used the 3090ti pcb, populated it with 24gbit memory and swapped the core out for a 4090 to make a 4090 Super GPU.>https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/worlds-first-rtx-4090-super-scores-up-to-16-higher-than-standard-4090-custom-liquid-cooled-gpu-has-3090-ti-pcb-and-faster-gddr6x
>>102399502Holy shit, it's worse than we thought! I just found that a computer with a 13100 CPU used the same motherboard as one with a 14900KS!
Ever since I built a PC I realized that 99% of PCtards are entitled manchildren. When they complain that a game is literally unplayable what they mean is their $100k PC can't run a game at 1600k 1200 fps because the frames dip for half a second while the game loads and this is somehow the worst thing in the world.I've been gaming at 1080p @ rock solid 60 FPS for a while now and I've been having fun.
zoomers are not people
>>102399550>Calls others "manchildren">Plays video games
>can buy fans with addressable RGB for under $5 a fan>single color led fans hardly exists at all and are double the priceNothing makes sense anymore
>>102399433yeah but some software crashing and killing a day of work costs way more than the difference between a 4090 and an a6000 or whatever
>>102399259>new 3090Ti for sub-5000PLNdoubt.jpgat most they're the same as base tier 4090's
>>102399559what are they then
>>102399589>RGB pukecheck amazon for chinkshit brands
>play game, 1% minimum of 60fps>cap it at 60fps>set monitor to 240hz>enable LSFG x4>get stable 240fps experience
>>102399560Where do you think we are?
>>102399547But it doesn't
>>102399624
>>102399635>LGA 1700
>>102399652And? The interposer changed between zen1 and zen2 despite both CPUs socketing into am4
>>102399593Admittedly they make most sense if you absolutely need the VRAM to churn slop or render big scenes or whatever. But then I don't see any other good reason to buy a top of the line card.
Why do some people think the 5090 will be announced around October when GDDR7 volume production will be next year?
>>102399590Not worth arguing, but every serious video/photo guy has backup storage first and foremost in their business. Local and cloud. And, honestly, in the last 2 years, I've had one instance where my software crashed and I had to start over. I didn't lose anything other than one instance of time.
>>102399674No need for volume production when nobody will be able to afford it.
>>102399667>13100 and 14900KS use same LGA 1700 mobo>BUT AMD SOMETHING SOMETHING ZEN SOMETHING AM4 SOMETHING!!!!!
https://www.guru3d.com/story/gddr7-graphics-memory-sk-hynix-delays-mass-production-until-q1-2025/https://videocardz.com/newz/sk-hynix-confirms-gddr7-memory-will-enter-mass-production-in-third-quarterWHICH ONE IS IT
Went with my dad to his friends house whose backyard is basically a scrapyard for computer servers. Let me have a few and managed to find a working p5000. I don't have a particular use for this but it looks cool.
>>102399646>he's getting *gulp* FREE frames?
>>102399702You're retarded. GPUs don't have to have the same socket between generations like CPUs do since PCBs are redesigned every generation so having socket compatibility between he 3090ti and 4090 is highly unusual.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-gddr6-launches-in-germany-at-higher-price-than-gddr6x-version>NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 GDDR6 launches in Germany at higher price than GDDR6X versionLOL
>>102399624downloadmorefps dot com
>>102399711Quadro P5000 is a pretty good card for transcoding if you ever decide to make a jellyfin/plex machine/server.I actually was planning on buying a Quadro M4000 which is a generation behind that for my server.
>>102399711Use it to Fold.
>>102399589just dont plug the rgb cable to your motherboard retard
>>102399760basedI hope the green goyim eat it upI have already decided I am buying 8800 next gen
How do the, even new, Quadros manage to survive with one tiny blower fan without exploding?
>>102399743Do you realize your microwave oven plugs into the same socket as your computer? Really makes you think.
>>102399800They live in cases more akin to wind tunnels than a fish tank.
>>10239980012000RPM delta fan arrays on either side of the server rack
>>102399806
>>102399800Quadro's aren't actually built all that well compared to what people are let to believe.
>>102399705¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does turning off the iGPU improve pc performance and efficiency?
when is the 9950x3d coming?
>>102399800VRMs and GPUs are alot more resistant to heat than gaymers give credit.People for some reason assume that when a GPU or motherboard dies that it has to do with overheating. I can only reason because it's the only thing they have control over and there is a misunderstanding of how things actually die.
Has anyone played DD2 with the 7600X? If so, how's the performance? I thought of going cheaper on the CPU and getting it instead of the 7800X3D, but I'm worried it will not be enough to play MH Wilds comfortably.
>>102399941ask again when the patch drops next week.
>>102399939>TruthCooling is always important, but those things are designed to scorch without damage.Someday I'll take a picture of my old GTX 260. It got so hot, the decal on the backplate bubbled up. Never skipped a beat.
>>102399999
>>102396190in that pic, the water cooling out/intake on the CPU is facing the wrong direction lol. it should be pointed down
>>102400026grandpa, you do know they make inverted fans right?
DDR5 on AM5 is giving me a headache.Is it realistic/worthwhile to go above 6000MHz with a 7800X3D?Is there some maximum amount of RAM after which you can't achieve the 6000MHz?Will adding more RAM later (2 sticks to 4) degrade performance?
>>102400086Ram isn't as important on an X3D chip as other designs. Going super-fast will net gains, but probably not ones you're actually notice. Right now, 6000 seems the sweet spot in price/performance. As for 4vs2, I don't know. I do know that in any situation, adding 2 later can be a problem if you're not using the exact same ram as the first 2.
>>102400086Check your motherboard for maximum ram speed.It's up to you if you think it's worth the money.Probably 64GB or 128GB. I don't know what the max size they make for DDR5 6000MHz.Adding RAM sticks, more than 2, will degrade the speed because more RAM = less stable. To make it stable you have to reduce speed.
>>102400086>Is it realistic/worthwhile to go above 6000MHz with a 7800X3D?Not really no. The extra cache negates the bandwidth starvation of the non-X3D chips.>Is there some maximum amount of RAM after which you can't achieve the 6000MHz?As far as I know, no. As long as you stick to 2 sticks the actual ram capacity isn't importantWill adding more RAM later (2 sticks to 4) degrade performance?Yes a little, but again RAM speed for X3D chips isn't all that important to begin with,
>>102400086Doesn't really seem worthwhile. x3d chips benefit less from RAM Mhz than not just other Ryzens, but even Intel chips.More RAM sticks = more strain on the CPU's memory controller, which tends to impact performance.
>>102396190AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3DAMD Radeon RX 7800 XTB65032GB DDR5-6000Samsung 980 ProCorsair H150i850W 80+ Gold ATX 3.0 PSU (prob Corsair or Cooler Master)is this ok for 1440p 60hz gaming/programming?gpt suggestion btw
>>102398373The rx 8800 xt won't exist, since AMD isn't doing high end anymore. The most you would get is up to an rx 8700 xtx or whatever bullshit naming scheme they come up with.
Hi Saars. Got a 6800xt for cheap from local policeman who moved to Moscow lol and mind to build new pc. Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS ~190 usdCPU: 7700 ~240 usdCooler: PentaWave Z06D or PCCooler RZ620 ~75 usdRAM: Team Group 16x2 6000 CL30 (a-die) ~140 usdGPU: ASRock 6800 XT Phantom Gaming ~300 usdSSD: 960 1tb ~90usdPSU: 1STPLAYER NGDP 850W gold ~120 usdCase: Jonsbo D41 ~80 usdMonitor: Redmi G 27 Pro (1440p/mini led/165ghz) ~270usdTotal ~1505 usdKeyboard: Monsgeek m3 (~120 usd) + gateron yellow pro 3 (~25 usd) + pbt keycaps (~15 usd) . Total 160 USDMouse: ATK X1 Ultra ~80 usdAny recommendations?
Is it actually realistic for two companies to maintain almost lockstep technological parity for years and decades?
>>102400272Sure is when your goal is to share 1 market and keep out company #3.
>>102400272Car manufacturers
>>102400272isnt that just the thermal paste market until ptm and clones wiped them out?
>>102400266You don't have thermalright coolers in russia? Or a cheap crucial or western digital SSD
>>102400239Yes except the water cooler is overpriced. Get an air cooler or one of the cheaper water coolers f rom the OP
>>102400325Car manufacturers go bankrupt, merge, or enter the market all the time.
Looking to make the upgrade to AM5. But I cannot just buy any board if I want to make future upgrades right? Something about some boards having not enough power for some cpu's? Forgive me, I haven't looked into it enough. Can you just advice an Am5 board I can't go wrong with :)
>>102399794This trend of calling people who have nice things goyim has to stop.
>>102400357thx
>>102400366Cars are still roughly the same across the board
>>102400380>>102400380>>102400380
>>102400266Prefer 7600 or 7800X3D. You also don't need an extra cooler with the 7700 or 7600 non X.
>>102400344We have thermalright, but what model? Most people buy some coolers from ID-cooling or DeepcoolYou think about Samsung 960? Sorry Im mean adata 960, non max also think about kimgston kc3000
>>102400385But that's because the market culls the shitty companies, like look at what happened to American brands in the 60s (and again in the 2000s), or to gook brands in the 90s, or what is about to happen to German brands in the next decade.
>>102396866ty ty
RX 6400 (low profile single slot) successor when?RTX 4060 (low profile double slot) successor when?
>>102400000Sir...
>>102396190Previous thread >>102391382 since OP is a shithead
